Idumea by Millikin University Choir.
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For those curious about the subject of the painting. A few folks have mentioned it's called recognition by a European Artist who went to the states during this time period. What's going on here specifically is a fairly common situation during the American Civil War which was a true brother war which is where the term Civil War comes from, a derivative of sibling war. Not Civil as being civilized or Civil as being polite.
Back to the painting. The Confederate here has approached this body and realizes it's his younger brother. This happened a lot during the Civil war with relatives fighting on different sides, Lincoln's wife had brothers who were officers in the Confederate army.
One record I remember is a Union soldier who was next to his officer when they routed a group of Confederates, one of the closing actions of the fight was the officer pulling out his pistol and plugging a young confederate at point blank range, the last thing the boy managed to croak out was "father" meaning the officer had just given his son a gang-land style execution.
These sorts of horrors and tragedies happened all over and during the war.
The incident that you mention happened at the Battle of Malvern Hill (July 1, 1862).
One SGT Driscoll was ordered to shoot the Officer leading a company of Confederates charging and firing from a clump of trees.
The Officer was SGT Driscoll’s son.
SGT Driscoll was overcome with grief and was later killed charging at the Confederate lines.
Two of my ancestors who were brothers fought the opposite sides. Both survived the war. James Pierpont author of the timeless Christmas song "Jingle Bells" fought for the Confederacy. His father was a union regimental chaplain.
For those wondering about the painting it's "Recognition" by Constant Mayer.
The story in the painting is a Confederate soldier during the Civil War turns over the body of a fallen Union soldier to discover...it's his brother.
Cheers, from RI
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Lyrics: Charles Wesley
Tune: Ananias Davisson
1 And am I born to die?
To lay this body down?
And must my trembling spirit fly
Into a world unknown?
A land of deepest shade,
unpierced by human thought,
The dreary regions of the dead,
Where all things are forgot?
2 Soon as from earth I go,
What will become of me?
Eternal happiness or woe
Must then my portion be:
Waked by the trumpet’s sound,
I from my grave shall rise,
And see the Judge, with glory crowned,
And see the flaming skies!
3 Who can resolve the doubt
That tears my anxious breast?
Shall I be with the damned cast out,
or numbered with the blest?
I must from God be driven,
Or with my Saviour dwell:
Must come at His command to heaven,
Or else depart to hell?
4 O, Those who wouldst not have
One wretched sinner die:
Who didst Thyself my soul to save
From endless misery
Show me the way to shun
Thy dreadful wrath severe;
That when Thou comest on Thy throne
I may with joy repent.
Amen.
i sang this in high school choir and my god i wish i could do it again, it is one of the most powerful works and being in the middle of it hits different
And am I born to die?
To lay this body down
And must my trembling spirit fly
Into a world unknown?
A land of deepest shade
Unpierced by human thought
The dreary regions of the dead
Where all things are forgot
Soon as from earth I go
What will become of me?
Eternal happiness or woe
Must then my portion be
Waked by the trumpet sound
I from my grave shall rise
And see the Judge with glory crowned
And see the flaming skies!
And see the Judge with glory crowned
And see the flaming skies!
Lyrics
And am I born to die?
To lay this body down?
And must my trembling spirit fly
Into a world unknown
A land of deepest shade
Unpierced by human thought
The dreary regions of the dead
Where all things are forgot?
Soon as from earth I go
What will become of me?
Eternal happiness or woe
Must then my portion be
Waked by the trumpet's sound
I from my grave shall rise
And see the Judge with glory crowned
And see the flaming skies
Powerful hymn!
GrowLLLTigeRRR Is this song about the descendants of Edom? Biblically Idumea usually refers to the descendants of Edom. Thx
@@007mia7 Not quite, Idumea is merely the name of the tune that the hymn "Am I born to die?" is sung to.
@@danielmckinney1305 Yep
I can't stop listening to this. I feel it in my bones. Thank you for making and posting this.
Verse 52 says, “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
I'm in loooooooooove!!!! I almost couldn't stand it...Oh, my heart!!!!!
Me and my choir were gonna sing this amazing song, and then quarantine happened and we never got to do it and it’s disappointing
Well, that's going to be one hell of a performance, your choir will probably sing it more from the heart instead of singing it from a the hymnal after what has been going on.
My choir and I*
I still remember this from the movie Cold mountain. such a haunting song. Great job
The best version of this song I have heard yet!! Great job.
Ann Jones,
Have you heard the rendition of this song used in the film 'Cold Mountain'? In my opinion, that's the best version. th-cam.com/video/XIkPyUecsnI/w-d-xo.html
Check out the one by Doc Watson.
Voices of angels.
Amen
It is enough to say that a dead fly brought me here... somehow.
As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the Lord.
SpaceOrbison Excellent!
Please, please explain...this has been one of my life's most important journeys, I need to know the significance of this song with it's title
@king bibibear, the words were written by the great Charles Wesley in 1766, the tune by Ananias Davidson in 1816 and is found in the Sacred Harp hymn book. There are many others in there and they are the most amazing, moving and profound music I have ever heard in my life. The words of course describe Wesley’s and I’m sure our own uncertainties about what comes after, and where we all will be on that Great Day. Wesley was an Arminian in his doctrine which emphasized human responsibility in accepting God’s Salvation, and one could in theory accept it for a time and then “fall away” and reject it, hence the uncertainty. As to Idumea and the Bible verse above, it refers to the Land of Edom in the Bible, where the descendants of Essau lived. The old story goes that Essau was cheated out of his inheritance by his younger twin brother (debatable) Jacob (Israel), and they were bitter enemies after that and always Jealous. Idumea later became the city of Petra. King Herod was an Idumean. Anyway I thought I’d answer your question, I hope it is satisfactory. It is a very profound song and Sacred Harp Singing hold ms a special place for me.
@@KyleEricksonPoetry1617 thank you...I bought a copy of the original kjv of the bible and it has a graph/family tree in the beginning linking the Romans and Europe to esau so I was wondering what's up with that because when I read about future prophecy in the bible it speaks alot about esau, so much that I've embarked on this journey.....imho its one of the least talked about themes in the bible
@king bibibear hmm, that is very interesting. I love the KJV, one of my ancestors was a translator. Thats a very special copy you have. I haven’t heard about the descent from Esau, but I know that the Romans also, and the French Kings claimed descent from the Trojans. It was the height if the Reformation and there was a lot of competing claims of legitimacy going on. There was also a claim called British-Israelism, which became widespread in the 1600s that the British (Irish, Scottish, English,Welsh and I guess the Bretons too) are descended from ancient Jews from the tribe of Judah who fled to Ireland after the first fall of the temple and brought the stone of destiny which was the stone Jacob used as a pillow when he saw his vision. According to legend a daughter of one of the last kings of Judah married into the Irish high kings, and that blood line passed into Scotland, and to King James I & VI of the KJV, something the Translators probably took into account. At the top of the title page in the original (I have a facsimile copy), you can see the hebrew letters spelling Jehovah, no other bible had that. The stone was used in the coronation of the Scottish kings, and still used today, though it is now called the stone of scone. Claims like that were common in the Late Mediaeval and Early modern period, but you can’t help but want them to be true. There are several ancient Irish books that trace the genealogy of the kings of Ireland Scotland and England back to Adam. Maybe the future prophecy’s of Esau in the Bible could be something to do with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict as well? I’m interested in prophecy myself. There is certainly something coming true.
Americans don’t have the grand tradition of the chanting like the Catholics and orthodox do in Europe. But this is the religious music of our people, made by us and for us. It is our heritage.
Much better than that sanctimonious crap the catholics call music anyways...
Can't it be "both-and"? Can't both (and other things) be beautiful and transcendent in their own ways?
Is this song American though? Thought it was Anglican
Mark Lee Idumea refers to the Edom correct? The people that descend from Esau? Is this what the songs title means? Thanks
Petite merde de dégénéré saxon: tu vis dans l'enfer, reste s'y. Pauvre type, pauvre âme, tu peses pas lourd... Misercordia domini!
3/2 time and pentatonic minor to delight the soul. I found this in an old copy of the Sacred Harp and was trying to sight read it as I have never heard it performed.
Masterpeice
Wow !
nice song
Beautiful part of American history
Quite a haunting hymn.
On the plains of Manassas they foolishly believed it'd be over quickly.
In the cornfield at Sharpsburg, the frozen fields at Fredericksburg, and the mountain side of Kennesaw they fell like leaves in the autumn.
At Gettysburg they were cut to pieces by hot iron.
At Franklin they froze to death.
At a place they called "The Wilderness" they burned.
At Shiloh a place of peace was desecrated by war's cruel and heavy hand.
At Murfreesboro friend and foe alike sang together. Within a day over 7,000 voices were forever silenced.
At Chickamauga the river ran red for miles.
Well deserving of the name an ancient people gave it. "River of Death".
They died in the mud at Petersburg and they starved at Vicksburg.
At places known as Camp Chase, Andersonville, and Elmira the Devil laughed.
Satisfied or perhaps bored the archangel of death claimed his last harvest of souls at Appomattox...
*And folded his black wings til the next season of harvest.*
**1861~1865
LEST WE FORGET**
Blue or Gray may they all rest in peace.
Amen
Stop and think about what the words are saying! Powerful!
What do you get from all this?
And what does the title have to do with the song? Thanks in advance
I'm not a native-english speaker,but I'm attracted by this song.
They are saying so fa la
Guys the line “And am I born to die” should give a big hint at what this song is about
the far and destinate country, from whose Bourne no man returns
красивая картина! Еще бы знать автора.
Констант Майер, вроде, автор этой картины.
Houses are better together than apart
Idumea or, Edom fought with Israel and was scattered and enslaved. Here the north and south comparison is apt. Religion, through song and prayer is man's failure to apprehend what is beyond himself. That does not mean we are all duggers or palins. Their public failures can only reflect the truth that it is God who reaches for us, not the reverse.
David Lee dude, that’s the best and most informative comment I’ve probably ever seen on TH-cam.
David Lee, Edom did not fight with Israel, but against it. Edom was always oppositional to Israel, even in the womb before birth. The Lord told the mother, Rebekkah, "two nations are in your womb." (they will go separate ways--not together.) Edom ("Red") is another name for Esau, who was born with red hair covering his body with his fraternal twin brother Jacob who was born smooth. Edom, the firstborn twin, sold his birthright (and therefore his position as firstborn) showing "he despised his birthright." Any judgments that came on Edom's descendants were by their own choices to stand against Israel. This is recorded in the Bible in Genesis, the Prophets, and the New Testament.
I think this was a misunderstanding with words. Pretty sure what Gabriel Grills meant above was that Edom fought with Israel, as in, fighting against each other. Like when you try to avoid a fight with a spouse and say, "I'm not going to fight with you." :)
@@watupbrooo im just a wretched sinner, but thanks
Ya'll should listen to this Sacred Harp style... this is good but it's much better that way
Does anyone know anything about this painting?
It's "recognition" by a painter named Constant Mayer en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_Mayer
What is the group singing this version?
Love the song, just used to the acapella version.
+Donatus Magnus This is the Millikin University Choir. The album with this recording, "Hearts All Whole", is on Spotify.
+Logan Voorhis Thank you very much!
There's not a more beautiful song.
I'd love to know the name of the portrait used in this video.
Recognition de Constant Mayer.
Charles Wesley's hymn
whats the painting KlimSanquine
"Recognition- North and South" by Constant Mayer.
Current 93
Singing this song in choir can't hit those high notes (alto)
Idumea/Rome
I thought idumea was all of europe?
@@chaboi7 rome and its spawned descendent nations; Europe and America.
@@AltaAnastazYah the bible sure does have harsh words for end times idumea
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From these comments most ppl dont know what this song infers. Wow..they are blinded and lost. 😏
What a useless comment. Why dont you share your supposed knowledge... I'll wait
It means edom will be judged in the end times for being the wicked in the bible.
@@bryanm5140 the question is "who is Edom"?
Yea.If they knew what the song meant they wouldn't like it.Or would they??????
@@chaboi7 idumea is Roman for Edom.
My God, what have they done? They've ruined Idumea! The original Sacred Harp version is far better. This is like someone's attempt to "improve" on it, but they didn't. I'd like it a lot better if not for the fact I must compare it to the original.
I like both versions each in there own unique style.
Too overdone for a plain hymn.