Great job, though if you're into rating units, it would be great if you give them mobility ratings as well. I'd argue that it's the single most important factor when it comes to melee units. Tauntauns might objectively not be that great at protracted melee but they're still a menace because they can charge you from a considerable distance. Commander Vader on the other hand is at the top of both your lists but it's the operative who gets used more often precisely because it's so much easier to get him into melee in one piece and once there, he typically does the job well enough.
One thing to remember, is Commander Vader being super slow is actually not as much of a liability as it seems. It lends to his playstyle, and thanks to relentless he will typically make the rough equivalent of a speed 3 unhindered move every turn. Vader can get surprisingly far when in the right hands.
I'm a legion newb. Just come across your channel and pretty much binged everything this morning.I've learnt a lot - thanks very much. I like how much content you pack into 10 minutes and love your humour. Liked and subscribed. I'd love to see some videos on Meta tactics with Rogue One Rebel Heroes e.g. Cassian, K2SO, Jyn. I'd also love a video on Pathfinders as I find them really hard to play but would love to use them more. I recently played against OP Vader and got absolutely destroyed. He was deflecting all my shots back, getting cover with Spur, force choking my heavies out of line of sight ((which I didn't know was a thing and he did it every turn with MOTF1!). I couldn't touch him. Any tips? Also, Bossk is ridiculous to play against - and surprisingly cheap for what you get!? Any tips here would help too.
Are you in the Legion Discord? It’s a gold mine of knowledge and lots of people are eager to talk tips and share advice. You’re not alone in finding Paths difficult to pilot. Infiltrate is a dangerous ability that can hurt you more than help you if not used carefully. I’m assuming you’re using Bistan as the heavy upgrade. Use them to harass your opponent’s flanks and rear objectives. To beat Op Vader you just need to shoot him a lot. Sounds a little silly but piling on suppression will leave him dead in the water (and eventually the shots will make him dead). Knowing his threat range and keeping away from him until the right moment is also key. Bossk is a glass canon. It isn’t unreasonable to kill him with two big shots (like from T-21 Shores). Remember that his gun can’t fire at range 1, so a fast close range unit (like Mandos) can jump inside his threat area and do good work too. Oh and thanks for the sub!
One point of contention, at around 5:05 in the video you state that a force user can use Force Push on their own units, but the card power specifies it only effects enemy troopers. Otherwise, solid content.
If I knew how to code I would make a list builder that kicked out the numbers for everyone to see. As it currently stands, it’s best to think of it as, “According to Ben’s brain,” and realize that it’s certainly not perfect. I don’t know if you’re in the Star Wars Legion Discord but I’ve done some more detailed explaining there.
But it is updated! :) Check out the two videos about the Legion Comparison Tool on the channel. But TLDR: Op Luke is absolutely incredible, and Maul is very very good too. And like I say in this video, remember that you can’t really quantify the power of command cards on something like a spreadsheet. Cheers!
I am really digging your videos. They are super helpful for a pleb like me that new to the game. I do have a question. Why do you rush through your videos? Often times (again, I am a newer player) by the time I realize what you said and let it sink in you are already on the next point. Are you trying to keep the videos under 10 minutes?
You are exactly correct: the Playbook will always be under 10 minutes. I find that personally I just don't have time to watch/listen to the 60+ minute podcasts, so I wanted to make something that people could come to for a brief amount of time to learn about a very specific topic.
It looks like it isn't available on Spotify, but you can listen to it on Sound Cloud. Also, that awesome riff that's being sampled comes from James Brown's Payback.
I can't stand the low-key force push rule. It feels a lot like an overlooked flaw that was left in too long to be fixed. 2 units are able to pull a squad of 4 off an objective, but 6 units are unable to because of surface area?
Wait so if I force push enemies into combat with Vader he can’t attack them? Eg, I’ve been moving, force pushing an enemy closer then moving again into melee, then using relentless to attack. Is this wrong?
No you’re good. The part that people sometimes miss is that you can’t Force Push in between your move and your Relentless attack. So you can move + push + move + attack with Vader, but you can’t move + move + push + attack.
@TeamRelentless will you or have the Legion Excel sheets already been updated to the new SWL rules? 🗒🙃 Thank you for the long and detailed history of great services and documentations to this amazing game.👌🏼😃
Things are very out of date right now when it comes to the tools I’ve made. Frankly, whether or not I update them will come down to if I start enjoying the game again. 😬
these prequel joke memes are 11/10 gold just to add a note
Great job, though if you're into rating units, it would be great if you give them mobility ratings as well. I'd argue that it's the single most important factor when it comes to melee units. Tauntauns might objectively not be that great at protracted melee but they're still a menace because they can charge you from a considerable distance. Commander Vader on the other hand is at the top of both your lists but it's the operative who gets used more often precisely because it's so much easier to get him into melee in one piece and once there, he typically does the job well enough.
Great points. I initially attempted to factor mobility into my rating system, but like command cards, found it too nebulous to quantify.
One thing to remember, is Commander Vader being super slow is actually not as much of a liability as it seems. It lends to his playstyle, and thanks to relentless he will typically make the rough equivalent of a speed 3 unhindered move every turn. Vader can get surprisingly far when in the right hands.
Never thought I’d be laughing through a guide video 😄
Love that touching bases joke
Love these videos! Keep up the great work, love seeing Vader at the top.of both lists, he is very underated
Hi, Thanks so much for these great videos! The spreadsheet you compiled is icing!
Great video. I have been working on melee with naked stormtroopers, and it goes right along with this video.
Is there anywhere to post a list and get feedback on it?
Are you part of the Legion Discord or Facebook group? Those are the two places where I see public list discussion happen.
I'm a legion newb. Just come across your channel and pretty much binged everything this morning.I've learnt a lot - thanks very much. I like how much content you pack into 10 minutes and love your humour. Liked and subscribed.
I'd love to see some videos on Meta tactics with Rogue One Rebel Heroes e.g. Cassian, K2SO, Jyn. I'd also love a video on Pathfinders as I find them really hard to play but would love to use them more.
I recently played against OP Vader and got absolutely destroyed. He was deflecting all my shots back, getting cover with Spur, force choking my heavies out of line of sight ((which I didn't know was a thing and he did it every turn with MOTF1!). I couldn't touch him. Any tips?
Also, Bossk is ridiculous to play against - and surprisingly cheap for what you get!? Any tips here would help too.
Are you in the Legion Discord? It’s a gold mine of knowledge and lots of people are eager to talk tips and share advice.
You’re not alone in finding Paths difficult to pilot. Infiltrate is a dangerous ability that can hurt you more than help you if not used carefully. I’m assuming you’re using Bistan as the heavy upgrade. Use them to harass your opponent’s flanks and rear objectives.
To beat Op Vader you just need to shoot him a lot. Sounds a little silly but piling on suppression will leave him dead in the water (and eventually the shots will make him dead). Knowing his threat range and keeping away from him until the right moment is also key.
Bossk is a glass canon. It isn’t unreasonable to kill him with two big shots (like from T-21 Shores). Remember that his gun can’t fire at range 1, so a fast close range unit (like Mandos) can jump inside his threat area and do good work too.
Oh and thanks for the sub!
One point of contention, at around 5:05 in the video you state that a force user can use Force Push on their own units, but the card power specifies it only effects enemy troopers. Otherwise, solid content.
Correct! I adjusted the description of the video to reflect the error. :)
“Turn 2…I was set up to win on the final turn”
Okay, Ben, calm down
I am in fact the Legion rap king, so you might wanna go back and check that lyric around 5:20 (bc I didn’t say that). :p
@@TeamRelentless Ohh. You said “round two”. As in a competition.
Learning!
Could you make a video on how Hostage Exchange works?
I need to study it more first but yes, a video on Hostage is a great idea.
I would love to see something showing the math behind your rating system. super curious to see how it works.
If I knew how to code I would make a list builder that kicked out the numbers for everyone to see. As it currently stands, it’s best to think of it as, “According to Ben’s brain,” and realize that it’s certainly not perfect.
I don’t know if you’re in the Star Wars Legion Discord but I’ve done some more detailed explaining there.
Curious how some units like Maul or Op Luke would rank on your list if updated.
But it is updated! :)
Check out the two videos about the Legion Comparison Tool on the channel.
But TLDR: Op Luke is absolutely incredible, and Maul is very very good too. And like I say in this video, remember that you can’t really quantify the power of command cards on something like a spreadsheet. Cheers!
I am really digging your videos. They are super helpful for a pleb like me that new to the game. I do have a question. Why do you rush through your videos? Often times (again, I am a newer player) by the time I realize what you said and let it sink in you are already on the next point. Are you trying to keep the videos under 10 minutes?
You are exactly correct: the Playbook will always be under 10 minutes.
I find that personally I just don't have time to watch/listen to the 60+ minute podcasts, so I wanted to make something that people could come to for a brief amount of time to learn about a very specific topic.
Saddd I can’t find the funk love music any where, I want to add it to my Spotify. Do you have a link?
It looks like it isn't available on Spotify, but you can listen to it on Sound Cloud. Also, that awesome riff that's being sampled comes from James Brown's Payback.
@@TeamRelentless love to see it! Thank you! Can’t wait for more playbook videos! Absolutely love these! Rewatch them all the time
Filmed one Monday night and plan to release it next week-glad to hear you enjoy them!
I know the video is old but could force push ever be used on your own units like you say at around 5:10 ?
Nope! That was an error even when I said it in the first place. 😆
Curious about Range Firepower - how the BXs do so well... Do you explain that somewhere else?
Not yet, sorry. The next time I do a video that features ranged units I will for sure break that down.
So what’s changed with Wookiees since this video? Why are they the hotness now?
They gained Scale and Duelist, and they can start deployed in a Speeder Truck and just get dropped off in melee on turn 1 or 2 with ease.
@@TeamRelentless That makes a lot of sense. Thanks!
I can't stand the low-key force push rule. It feels a lot like an overlooked flaw that was left in too long to be fixed. 2 units are able to pull a squad of 4 off an objective, but 6 units are unable to because of surface area?
Wait so if I force push enemies into combat with Vader he can’t attack them? Eg, I’ve been moving, force pushing an enemy closer then moving again into melee, then using relentless to attack. Is this wrong?
No you’re good. The part that people sometimes miss is that you can’t Force Push in between your move and your Relentless attack.
So you can move + push + move + attack with Vader, but you can’t move + move + push + attack.
Team Relentless copy that! Thank you sir! 😄👍🏻
These have gone downhill since Darth jar jar 6969 stopped mailing in
He would be so upset that you didn’t remember his handle correctly. :p
As a person to whom english is a secondary language... please slow down 😅
Not saying he ins't talking fast, because he is. But you can also use the youtube video settings to slow videos down! That might help!
@TeamRelentless will you or have the Legion Excel sheets already been updated to the new SWL rules? 🗒🙃
Thank you for the long and detailed history of great services and documentations to this amazing game.👌🏼😃
Things are very out of date right now when it comes to the tools I’ve made. Frankly, whether or not I update them will come down to if I start enjoying the game again. 😬
@@TeamRelentless That's totally ok.
If it happens again and the game catches you again, I would be very happy.😇👌🏼