This is horrifying. I'm a mental health nurse. Many of our female patients are survivors of sexual abuse, and don't want male staff or other male patients near them. To insist that their views are disregarded is utterly disgraceful.
Thankyou, I happen to be one of those women. It seems a mentally ill MAN'S feelings, far outweigh a survivor of DV, I absolutely despise these vile, disgusting men who pretend to be women and trick us into believing it, that's psychological abuse and that is violence against women, in my country anyway.
Irrational. Histrionic. Narcissistic. Solipsistic. Self-centred. Superiority complex. Exhibitionistic. Plays victim. Evades all accountability. Passive aggressive. Manipulative. Deceptive. Demands everyone affirm them. Surely all that qualifies them a place in the category, no?
As a female I can choose my primary care doctor based on if I would prefer a female doctor over a male and I have, as I know other women have. Women/females are loosing our identity and all our rights to trans. There is something insidious going on here, that is deeper than just trans rights.
You just now beginning to become aware of the brainwashing going on by the Controllers? Stop watching the State News shows, and you might recover from the hypnosis of propaganda.
It is the super wealthy and elites of wef and un club of Rome, bilderberg group, push towards transhumanism. It is the push towards Malthusian depopulation tactics so the few super wealthy can keep the resources for themselves after their lives are extended, It is a push to set society against each other and cause chaos as only out of chaos and confusion do they believe they can change the world order. It is a push to make heaps of money for all those that invest in hospitals doctors and aftercare for these super confused people. Such companies are amazon and Jeff bezos. Blackrock and lary Fink, George S oros, Gates foundation and b. Gates several super famous hotel owning and the guelph family are some names. Not only have they ploughed money into medical care facilities they are also into transhumanism and giving us covert drugs to decrease aggression so that everyone will go with the flow of making the human race unrecognisable and unable to reproduce after they have castrated and made society eunuchs. That is right they have invested in outside the body baby farms as in brave new world. Their sick intention is to genetically engineer everyone make sterile transhumans and have a cheap robotic enhanced slave labour force. The wef has confirmed this several times they have the 2nd or 3rd incharge pushing for this. And he and klaus schwab said that they are gods because they are now able to do this. Remember kcharles is the head of wef he is higher then schwab.
I am grateful for eloquent women like Helen Joyce who can summon enough patience to give articulate responses to these continuous assaults on our rights. I'm just beyond words at the sheer callousness of this latest NHS document.
Thank goodness for Helen Joyce you can see the presenter struggling, Helen is getting it right let’s hope the government starts waking up to the dangers.
I'm grateful to learn her name, Helen Joyce - I'm going to follow her if she has a web site! Thank you for using her hame, I'd been scrolling through trying to find it :]!!!
Absolutely nutty. The NHS would be prepared to refuse me healthcare, for which I have paid, in order to prioritise a healthy staff member's feelings over my physical need for treatment. This needs a strong legal smack down straight away.
@@snsn7251 I totally agree! I am psychotherapist being put repeatedly in a position of validating an identity which feels unreal and fragile! I do that every time I say their name!
If you want to know how much healthcare workers value your health, try to make a Doctors appointment. My Auntie was utterly abondoned by a outright cowards who was too busy cowering in fear of COVID, never got to see a Doctor until the cancer she had developed had progressed to stage 4. She died shortly thereafter. As far as I'm concerned NHS Doctors are cowardly murderers. Definitely in breach of the hipocratic oath.
The entire public sector in a nutshell... "It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell.
No-one should ever challenge a person with dementia. It causes a great deal of unnecessary confusion and distress for them. How dare TRAs demand that people with a disease of the mind be traumatised to affirm their delusion? As a woman, I absolutely demand the right to have care from a woman - not a crazy man with a fetish who feels empowered to display his paraphilia in public.
It’s seems very odd to me that anyone would want to insist on doing intimate care on someone. As a healthcare worker if a patient said to me “I don’t want you do my care” I’d be like alright one less job to do . Why would you want to wipe someone’s bum if you didn’t have to weird
This news is absolutely horrifying. As a women I really hope the sex act is changed and then this will never become a reality. If not, then I simply will not attend any hospital appointments. Helen Joyce is correct - it is about boundaries and the rights of vulnerable patients. The trans mafia need a lesson on decency, respect and personal boundaries.
@@exlesoes Because you have the right to specify a male or female health practitioner. And contrary to what the woke morons would have you believe, there are only two genders!
@WhiteAndProud-gk6dr A healthy society offers the same level of actual care and knowledge to every member. As long as money is the motivator, the decisions will not be in your best interest. Perfect example is the trans ideology: it makes lifelong patients, so doctors are paid to say it's perfectly safe for kids to transition. No other "minority" required so many hormones and operations, so they never got a push like this.
Unbelievable - this is the first time I'm hearing phraseology that puts the patient second to the nurse or caregiver. Beyond belief that the elderly & those with dimentia be treated with such disdain 😔
Having taken care of dementia patients for years what kind of idiocy is this? The patient's mind is broken they can't even understand they are doing "wrong" let alone be able to change. And if you as a health care person aren't capable of taking care of anyone who comes in the door get out of the business. And if they are allowed to refuse giving care because they feel uncomfortable then I have the exact same right if I feel uncomfortable with their care.
No one should be forced by the government to be given care by anyone. To dictate to us that our healthcare worker can be anyone you don’t feel comfortable with is fascist and inhumane!!! So regardless of the situation or mental faculties, we all should have the right to choose who takes care of us!!!
Only a person that has never heard of dementia would think it possible to change a person with dementia's thinking. Likewise a person who has never heard of the existence of patients and medical professionals would think that the medical professional is free to discriminate. Which begs the question who on earth wrote these guidelines.
@T If you mean the WEF, it comes under the ESG. The Social part. The moment you mention the WEF people clam up and call you a conspiracy theorist when, in fact, it's no theory. It is their open and freely stated plan to bring everyone under one world government. Macron was on French TV, declaring it. Starmer is all for the WEF. Trudeau is a devoted acolyte. The EU commission is currently enforcing and regulating ESG with all trading nations. Americans are just waking up to it, but the UK is sleep walking. Sunak has just sold out Brexit to the EU with that new NI treaty, and is about to sign us up to the WHO amendments. These give total world control to the WHO, and even overrides national governments.
Damn Nation. Maybe that's the agenda. They can kill off the people who don't think like themselves without actually having to commit the genocide themselves.
Taking away the right to not consent makes the concept of consent meaningless. Consent by deception is a not only immoral but unlawful. If the patient is physically touched during the consultation or treatment, not just in intimate areas, by the opposite sex, without consent, this should be unlawful. For intimate medical consultations, treatments or care, the female patient must be informed that it's a male medical practitioner attending and the patient is informed that a chaperone can be be requested. A patient can refuse consultation, treatments or care, until a female chaperone is arranged. Without knowledge that it's a male practitioner, due to deception, a female patient cannot know to request a female chaperone. If a female chaperone is requested because the attending medical practitioner is male ( no matter how he identifies) then this must be given and that must be a female chaperone. These guidelines are unlawful because it suggests that not only will the patient not be informed, but decieved. Furthermore, it suggests the patient cannot refuse a male practitioner attending and that they will be refused treatment on such basis. The NHS would be refusing the basic human right of healthcare on the basis of an individual's beliefs. This is unlawful not only according UK law but it breaks international laws too!
@@moirabaker458Exactly. Consent has been the target for years. Disguised as something else so the masses don't notice. They even cheer for it. Scary times.
I am left wing. Working class and pro union, environmentalist and feminist. Absolutely hate what transexual and queer ideology is doing to woman and to LGB. This is one area where the left and right should agree because the idea that people can swap genders is ridiculous and trivialises the experience of both women and men. People have a right to know the gender of someone doing a health assessment and they have the right to know the gender of who they are dating. They shouldn't be allowed to change birth certificates, passports etc and they should have to disclose when asked.
I take issue with the closing statement, something along the lines of '...some trans people will see this as unfair...' (paraphrasing), this is the twisted thinking of a rapist, I don't owe someone the right to touch my body at all...period; to think it's unfair that I get to set my own boundaries around MY body is almost unfathomable.
There's something wrong with your comprehension. He wasn't AGREEING with that statement! He was saying that this is what "some trans people" will say. And, indeed, they will; you can bet on it!
I don't think anything that Evie Blessed wrote shows a lack of comprehension. One word she did use was period which is something these guys certainly won't be having !!
@@DieFlabbergast , nope, nothing wrong with my comprehension but please read people's words carefully before trying to find fault that is not there. Nowhere do I imply that he agrees with the statement, I simply address the idea he proposes. I take issue with the statement, not the fact he agrees or otherwise.
Does anyone remember when "The customer was always right"? Any person posing as the oversite sex - and in so doing denies biological reality - has no business being a Doctor or a Nurse.
Basically this so called guidance is saying that the delusions of individuals with mental health issues is more important than patient care. Why shouldnt patients be told that a clinician has a mental health issue which affects their work?
Patients in hospitals are usually vulnerable; out of it, drugged up, in pain, etc. and deserve to give trust that the hospital will give the best care, including RESPECTING a person's wishes but also know that a woman (or man) may very well prefer to be treated by the same sex for all their care. This is such a farce. It's absolutely horrendous and Helen is right - evil!
Doesn't it also infringe on the religious rights of people for whom it is in violation of their religious beliefs to be naked and exposed to a member of the opposite sex?
I’m in the states and we’re going through this too. This is what blurring the sex boundaries and making too many concessions looks like… now women have no say when they should have a right to not have a male person and vice Versa. There are health care workers that I only want a female…. And my mother only wants a female. My brother deserves a male if he wants to only have a male. It’s my healthcare and I have my reasons and they have nothing to do with that person personally. It’s MY healthcare. My mom is in a nursing home and in no way in hell is a male person taking my mom to the bathroom or shower!!!! I don’t care about their boundaries no male is going to tend to my mother or myself like that…. Ffs this is ludicrous and not ok!!! Keep fighting for us Helen!!!! 💪
C.K. There could be a new job opening here for Donald Trump. Instead of sending him to prison for keeping all those documents in his house he could be employed to determine the actual sex of someone. He'd be good at that and then we could hear him brag about it in the locker room. "Well he looked like a woman to me" Oh dear,maybe not such a good idea !!
I really agree with this woman. Sod the staff member, my considerations should be top priority. If I don't want a man or trans woman giving me personal care, then I won't have one. This nonsense has got completely out of hand. It doesn't matter whether you live like a woman, look like a woman, you are not a woman. A man will never understand how woman work, or think. He can/she can define themselves as lampposts, but they won't ever be a lamppost.
If a caregiver is so sensitive they have a "Psychotic Break" when a patient isn't comfortable playing out their fantasies with them....then it is the caregiver that needs help.
@@edwardsmith5650 You have lost me, what has a patient playing out their fantasies got to do with being looked after? Why would a patient that needs care want to play out fantasies?
@@christinepage1523 Don't see how I lost you. I was stating that patients, more specifically female patients, should not be required to participate in the fantasies of gender confused health care workers that are male pretending to be female.
Sorry,a patients has every right to know who is treating them. The patients are paying the wages of these NHS staff therefore the right lies with the patients not the NHS staff. Whoever, wrote this report should be dismissed. Helen is absolutely correct and I do not blame her for being livid. A man cannot become a woman, nor can a woman become a man, irrespective of how they look or act. They are still what they were born as and patients should have the overriding right.
Needless to say the whole thing is utter harmful insanity, but what I find particularly horrific and perverted is the notion that dementia patients should be challenged on their views. That is one of the most evil, heartless and downright dangerous policies I’ve heard! This must be stopped!
These elders have build the country after WWII and now are treated like life stock, because a minority thinks it fitting due to theire feelings being more important. Maybe we should send them trough the same hardships and than ask again
My father with dementia muddles sex pronouns for normal people sometimes let alone if someone identifying as something they aren’t. Anyone did a correction to my father hey would get an earful 🤬
Well, it’s not like there haven’t been sex offenders working in medical settings before. Hell, an NHS trust even lied to and gaslighted a women patient -and the investigating police- denying that she could have been raped because there were no men on the women’s ward. Well guess what there was a trans woman on the ward and he raped the woman. It took a year for the police to get to the bottom of it, and it only then because of cctv footage and staff confirming it.
Of course you do . What is at issue here is that they will listen to you then say you are barred from the GP`s surgery or hospital . So you can protest and then have no treatment .It`s overt black mail.
I'm a 71-year-old retired Haematology Nurse who, since January 2008, has been entirely dependent on a small, chest-implanted, triple-lead, 'cardiac generator' for every one of my heartbeats (a 'pacemaker' fills in the gaps in arrhythmias). In the Spring of 2022, when I declined to have a 'covid' test (having read of their reliability), a young specialist Cardiologist phoned me at home to say, "No test; no operation!" I repeat, my LIFE depends on this machine: as could the lives of others, if it stopped as I was barelling down the M5 at the time. This is the new 'OUR' NHS. Get used to it! It is stuffed with left-wing ideologues and Communists, who bully others into compliance, having completely trashed Medical Ethics, as we used to know them. I know nurses who have left the 'profession' as a consequence of this.
The NHS management is beyond appalling now. Every single overpaid diversity cretin should be the first to go, followed rapidly by 90% of the layers of management. It's not hard for a real person to tell who's doing the work in an organisation. I could do the clear-out. Just fire everybody who looks doubtful and then re-employ in the very few areas where anyone doesn't see a benefit from the firing.
So threatening death is ok now? This unfortunately doesn't surprise me. It is frightening. I know we love our NHS and everyone daren't say a word in opposition but I have heard too many stories that tell me this organisation is not to be trusted.
@@richardfox6595 My local NHS management has a person who describes himself as 'NHS Ambassador' and a 'REACT Wellbeing Conversationalist'. What the f**k is either of those? How much is his salary? Recently, they were pushing a 'new' thing called 'pansexualism' in the workplace. Why? This is the TAUNTON & SOMERSET FOUNDATION NHS TRUST.
Sieg Heil!!! You would do well in 1930's Germany. The number of left-wing ideologues and communists in the NHS is probably zero - the problem is a service dependant on near-slave labour cash starved by a party who would rather let the rich get richer and run by an overpaid management. Don't blame the workers, blame the people who put this short-sighted autocratic government in place. Your predicament was of your own doing - you only needed a simple test that would not put you at risk, that was not going to induce Covid but you stood by your beliefs and the cardiologist put the safety of his other patients to the forefront. I take it you are front of the queue when a rusty bus with no MOT turns up and the owner says he is not getting an MOT because of principle.
That, my friend, is a piece of wisdom! What went on in the internment camps of WW2? The eugenics programmes have never really stopped. There was a noticeable change in ethics in healthcare when the transplant programmes began, nurses noticed and challenged this. The military/medical industrial complex is very secretive about its intentions, the top closest to gubmnt doesn't always let the minions know it's intentions.
Helen Joyce did an interview about it. Banks, pharmaceutical companies and tech companies. There's a billionaire trans person. Inequality in society is really damaging to everyone in it. It's not just a woman's issue. Men need to realise what's happening. This is only going one way.
Exactly. I don't mind an opposite sex medical practitioner. They're usually very respectful and understanding. I do not want someone who's obviously delusional to treat me.
Im not articulate enough to argue but this lady is and i couldnt agree with her more!! Its out of comtrol so as a woman who has been SA by a man now cant ask for a female doctor ???? 😢😢😢😢
I pass this on ,having seen it quoted elsewhere ." If a man chooses to call himself a woman ,that`s his choice. But when he expects me to agree with him, that`s my choice"
No, no. This is the pile of rubble lying at the bottom of the slope. Society has already slid down that slope, and it will take decades, if not centuries, to get back up to the plateau of sanity.
Totally agree with this lady. When we get into the realms of patient consent there should be no question. The law is there for a reason. As for people with dementia, the relatives are their to help the patient if they cant consent. Especially if they have power of attorney.
I can assure you the patient decides the rules of care, not the staff. If I say I do not consent to being examined or treated by a man, then no man is allowed to do so. I know from experience male nurses identifying as women have transgressed this rule with other women but I guarantee I will not be so complacent. I make the rules about my body, not the NHS and God help any staff member who attempts to thwart me.
Update: I was accused of a hate crime by my county hospital for saying “transwomen are men”. The police agreed with me and disagreed with the hospital. Know the law, even if hospital staff (and woke police officers) don’t.
Why do trans people think constantly forcing themselves on others (or getting the state to do it FOR them in this case) will result in public acceptance? That NEVER works!!! People change their minds from POSITIVE experiences, not from being bullied!
I absolutely agree . I think most women will and the fact that these trans people think it will shows how masculine and testosterone filled they are. I look at men in dresses and makeup and however convincing they look they never behave or have the thought processes of women.
This is outrageous and to deliberately include patients with alzheimers who in most cases won't be able to speak for themselves, is just disgusting. What this will do is stop a lot of people from going to the doctors for routine checks and subsequently, may end up with a serious condition. Maybe thats what these people hope will happen.
Should my elderly 85 year old female neighbour have her personal care carried out by a trans woman? Of course not, it’s about respect and dignity which my elderly neighbour deserves.
What's the difference between a person receiving care from a trans woman, a trans man, a man or a woman? Absolutely none as long as they receive the same quality of care. It's no different to whether your 85year old neighbour receives care from a white carer or a black or asian carer. Your comment is suggesting a trans woman would not give the same level of respect and dignity during the course of their work than a black, Asian or white care worker of either sex which is totally wrong.
@@Lamya65 well I can understand why she has dementia what with having no family. Has she ever been married? Unfortunately when you're being cared for by the state you don't get to choose who cares for you, if you ever get into a care home don't be surprised having a black man taking you to the toilet 👍
@@Lamya65 there you go, unmarried, no children, wasted life, unsurprising she has dementia. She's living in a care home and they exist by virtue of government legislation to ensure local government can uphold its obligation to look after people who cannot look after themselves, irrespective whether she pays or not.
@@PeterPete My 85 year old neighbour has been married to her husband for 66 years and is a very proud independent lady, she doesn’t have to have a male attend to her personal care, it’s her choice to insist she has her personal care carried out by a female ,and it should be respected. I’m sick of men who insist they are women invading our spaces. Women are fighting back and we will win.
The customer is NOT right if they wish to break anti-discrimination laws of the jurisdiction. The institution has a duty to comply with the law, and no patient's prejudicial desire can over-ride that.
Dementia is a condition that brings a lot of anxiety to people, I imagine the NHS "challenging" my mum for transphobia because she sees a man and doesn't want to be touched by him. I'd seriously get heads rolled.
The NHS is providing a service and patients are their customers, having worked with the general public for years, I was always taught the customer comes first and the customer is always right. Even when they were clearly in the wrong, we just had to suck it up. These delusional people should do the same, treat the patients how they want to be treated and suck it up, the patients are at their most vulnerable and weakest time of their lives.
@@jsemplefelton5348 why should I tell it to them? Why don't you? Why don't your representatives? Why don't the tens of thousands of taxpayer-funded cushy-job feminist organisations?
@@tracyaf6084 districts with a high percentage of Muslim or Orthodox Jewish women don’t have the unisex change rooms foisted on them, nor are men dressing up as or claiming to be women allowed in the women’s change room. So, they’ll probably get a pass
These are the cases that cause rifts. I should be able to choose if I would rather have a women treat me and now I can’t. That seems to override my rights.
WOW 😮. This is unbelievable! How disgusting of the NHS to decide that a woman is discriminating if she decides who can or can't touch her without being accused of discrimination. Who are this group anyway!?
Is is absolutely disgusting. 🤬 People working in any medical/care profession are providing a service, however laudable it may or may not be. It's not about them, it's about the patient or client's needs. I will always ask for a doctor/nurse/carer to be female & if there isn't a female available, I'll refuse care. There are no ifs, buts or maybes on this issue as far as I'm concerned! It sounds like yet another way to force the public to stop using the NHS & encourage us to go private. Disgusting.
I want to know if the nurse looking after me, who appears at first glance to be female, is in fact a man. It is long past time that we, the public, stopped being sucked into these peoples delusions, whather we are 'omfortable' or not.
Patients have EVERY right to know which sex individual is going to examine and treat them. This is particularly important when the areas being treated is one's personal private areas. And that goes for both sexes, not women alone. Patients have a right of choice. It is treating the citizens with utter contempt to argue otherwise, let alone put it into practice. Do we all have to go private with a health company they can trust ? Are we going to get our NHS contributions back to pay for it ?
@@OrwellsHousecat I work in healthcare in the US. Even ridiculous and outrageous and bigoted patients have their preferences honored when possible. If a racist patient doesn’t want a nurse of another race, we would even try to accommodate the request if only because it puts the carer at risk. Forcing your care on someone who doesn’t want it sets up a very uncomfortable dynamic for everyone. If someone doesn’t want my care for ANY reason, I don’t want to be assigned to them in case it escalates them to violence or a false allegation towards me. It’s hard enough in healthcare without adding that.
@@tracyaf6084 false comparison - the UK has a state-run taxpayer-funded healthcare monopoly called NHS whereas the USA has private companies providing the healthcare. These dynamics shape the market as well as industry practices. Plus, the brits do what the brits have always done
@@OrwellsHousecat I understand and we have governments run and funded healthcare here as well but that but that doesn’t change the fact that most healthcare providers don’t want to be forced on patients that don’t want them. I’ve been a nurse for over 20 years and only had 2 patients refuse me for race. I’ve also had a few patients I’ve taken from nurses of other races for the same reason. I think their beliefs are disgusting but I don’t want to have to deal with them if they don’t like me. It’s better for both the carer and the patient to not be put in a that position. I say that as someone who doesn’t really care about the sex of my own providers. My first was delivered by a lovely male OB who happens to be British and has strong opinions about the NHS. I’ve never refused a male provider for my daughters either although I do chaperone. It wouldn’t bother me if the provider is trans.
These people and their dumb ideas do not represent us. Please just fire all of them (and maybe jail some of them). Free us from this total insanity, it's too much.
If a woman refuses an examination from a male doctor, its doubtful that she would be accused of misandry. But if she refuses it from a trans woman doctor (a man who says he's really a woman) then she is accused of transphobia (?)
Has the person who made this decision ever met a patient with dementia? My 93 year old mother has Alzheimer’s and she wouldn’t have a clue what trans means but she has a total right to object to being cared for by someone who makes her feel uncomfortable.
So how did they pass medical school if they cannot identify gender/sex. One of the most basic things a medical professional should know. How on earth did I even pass
The NHS official stance is that the comfort of staff is more important than the comfort of patients, and that a staff member can refuse to care for a patient if they don’;t feel comfortable but a patient is being discriminatory of a patient says they are not comfortable? Is this correct? Surely this is not an official stance by a peak health body?
This is horrifying. I'm a mental health nurse. Many of our female patients are survivors of sexual abuse, and don't want male staff or other male patients near them. To insist that their views are disregarded is utterly disgraceful.
Thankyou, I happen to be one of those women. It seems a mentally ill MAN'S feelings, far outweigh a survivor of DV, I absolutely despise these vile, disgusting men who pretend to be women and trick us into believing it, that's psychological abuse and that is violence against women, in my country anyway.
Sounds like they're the one with the mental problems, not the trans people
How can a man “think” as a woman, with no lived experience of what a woman is?
Irrational. Histrionic. Narcissistic. Solipsistic. Self-centred. Superiority complex. Exhibitionistic. Plays victim. Evades all accountability. Passive aggressive. Manipulative. Deceptive. Demands everyone affirm them. Surely all that qualifies them a place in the category, no?
@@OrwellsHousecat Wow! Are you claiming that females are all those things listed? Did a girl hurt your feelings bro? 😂
@@zenbumblebee hadn't you noticed that before?
Feminism Ruins Everything
Find any man who claims that, and ask him to explain what a woman thinks like. He won't be able to, even women can't.
@@davetdowell if he can't explain it and wmn can't explain it, that's evidence that they think alike.
State sanctioned sexual assault - what an outrage!
Exactly.
As a female I can choose my primary care doctor based on if I would prefer a female doctor over a male and I have, as I know other women have. Women/females are loosing our identity and all our rights to trans. There is something insidious going on here, that is deeper than just trans rights.
That insidious thing is the men's rights movement that hates women and serves predators of women and children. It's linked.
You just now beginning to become aware of the brainwashing going on by the Controllers? Stop watching the State News shows, and you might recover from the hypnosis of propaganda.
It is the super wealthy and elites of wef and un club of Rome, bilderberg group, push towards transhumanism. It is the push towards Malthusian depopulation tactics so the few super wealthy can keep the resources for themselves after their lives are extended, It is a push to set society against each other and cause chaos as only out of chaos and confusion do they believe they can change the world order. It is a push to make heaps of money for all those that invest in hospitals doctors and aftercare for these super confused people. Such companies are amazon and Jeff bezos. Blackrock and lary Fink, George S oros, Gates foundation and b. Gates several super famous hotel owning and the guelph family are some names. Not only have they ploughed money into medical care facilities they are also into transhumanism and giving us covert drugs to decrease aggression so that everyone will go with the flow of making the human race unrecognisable and unable to reproduce after they have castrated and made society eunuchs. That is right they have invested in outside the body baby farms as in brave new world. Their sick intention is to genetically engineer everyone make sterile transhumans and have a cheap robotic enhanced slave labour force. The wef has confirmed this several times they have the 2nd or 3rd incharge pushing for this. And he and klaus schwab said that they are gods because they are now able to do this. Remember kcharles is the head of wef he is higher then schwab.
They hate women that’s why.
100% there is something deeper going on.
I am grateful for eloquent women like Helen Joyce who can summon enough patience to give articulate responses to these continuous assaults on our rights. I'm just beyond words at the sheer callousness of this latest NHS document.
Well said!
Thank goodness for Helen Joyce you can see the presenter struggling, Helen is getting it right let’s hope the government starts waking up to the dangers.
It doesn’t surprise me....the NHS is vile and very left wing woke
I'm grateful to learn her name, Helen Joyce - I'm going to follow her if she has a web site! Thank you for using her hame, I'd been scrolling through trying to find it :]!!!
Absolutely nutty. The NHS would be prepared to refuse me healthcare, for which I have paid, in order to prioritise a healthy staff member's feelings over my physical need for treatment. This needs a strong legal smack down straight away.
We are not here to validate other people's identities.
Well said
NHS thinks women are and they are not the only ones.
@@snsn7251 I totally agree! I am psychotherapist being put repeatedly in a position of validating an identity which feels unreal and fragile! I do that every time I say their name!
"It's my boundaries not his". Well said Helen. Prioritising the feelings of staff over that of the patient reveals how much they care for patients.
If you want to know how much healthcare workers value your health, try to make a Doctors appointment.
My Auntie was utterly abondoned by a outright cowards who was too busy cowering in fear of COVID, never got to see a Doctor until the cancer she had developed had progressed to stage 4. She died shortly thereafter. As far as I'm concerned NHS Doctors are cowardly murderers. Definitely in breach of the hipocratic oath.
The entire public sector in a nutshell...
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong."
Thomas Sowell.
@@nascar0509 it’s not just the public sector mate
Stay away from hospitals
The NHS has gone full Saville - rapist and N0nce enablers.
'Think as a woman' ... no man can think as a woman ... time to take back language and never allow nonsense statements like that to go unchallenged
No-one should ever challenge a person with dementia. It causes a great deal of unnecessary confusion and distress for them. How dare TRAs demand that people with a disease of the mind be traumatised to affirm their delusion? As a woman, I absolutely demand the right to have care from a woman - not a crazy man with a fetish who feels empowered to display his paraphilia in public.
Even more, I would be OK with a man, but not with a trans person.
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'Sorry about your dementia bigot, but it is a woman not a man'....I notice this dislike of the elderly as well. This intolerance.
It’s seems very odd to me that anyone would want to insist on doing intimate care on someone. As a healthcare worker if a patient said to me “I don’t want you do my care” I’d be like alright one less job to do . Why would you want to wipe someone’s bum if you didn’t have to weird
Well said
This news is absolutely horrifying. As a women I really hope the sex act is changed and then this will never become a reality. If not, then I simply will not attend any hospital appointments. Helen Joyce is correct - it is about boundaries and the rights of vulnerable patients. The trans mafia need a lesson on decency, respect and personal boundaries.
How would you know their sex right when you book with them?
@@exlesoes Why don't you care about what is TRUE?
Lorna.
After these guys have had the operation the sex act is definitely changed !!!
@@exlesoes Because you have the right to specify a male or female health practitioner. And contrary to what the woke morons would have you believe, there are only two genders!
What has happened about safeguarding??!!
It's absolutely disgraceful. Their priority needs to be their patients. We need to have some genuine adults with genuine ethics making the decisions.
Been a long time since patients were any part of the NHS's motivation.
@WhiteAndProud-gk6drYou feel something or you don't. You make logical decisions or not. Ethics cannot be bought.
@WhiteAndProud-gk6dr A healthy society offers the same level of actual care and knowledge to every member. As long as money is the motivator, the decisions will not be in your best interest. Perfect example is the trans ideology: it makes lifelong patients, so doctors are paid to say it's perfectly safe for kids to transition. No other "minority" required so many hormones and operations, so they never got a push like this.
Hello from Scotland, thank god for women like Helen, speaks truth and absolute sense!!
As a woman, I REFUSE to accept this bias against us!!
W M
Ah Scotland where all the men walk around in a skirt but they're real men because they don't wear any knickers !!
Unbelievable - this is the first time I'm hearing phraseology that puts the patient second to the nurse or caregiver. Beyond belief that the elderly & those with dimentia be treated with such disdain 😔
And to 'challenge' a patient with dementia. That is insane! Surely this breaches Human Rights? Bring on the lawsuits!
Having taken care of dementia patients for years what kind of idiocy is this? The patient's mind is broken they can't even understand they are doing "wrong" let alone be able to change. And if you as a health care person aren't capable of taking care of anyone who comes in the door get out of the business.
And if they are allowed to refuse giving care because they feel uncomfortable then I have the exact same right if I feel uncomfortable with their care.
No one should be forced by the government to be given care by anyone. To dictate to us that our healthcare worker can be anyone you don’t feel comfortable with is fascist and inhumane!!!
So regardless of the situation or mental faculties, we all should have the right to choose who takes care of us!!!
Only a person that has never heard of dementia would think it possible to change a person with dementia's thinking. Likewise a person who has never heard of the existence of patients and medical professionals would think that the medical professional is free to discriminate. Which begs the question who on earth wrote these guidelines.
The NHS has a history of enabling rapists - the NHS has gone full Saville.
This is a crime against my Human Rights!
you have no human rights lol.. covid showed that
Only ones who have rights are illegal immigrants
Outrageous. So if they are uncomfortable they can decline to treat but if we are uncomfortable we cannot speak up.
This nonsense will never end. I seriously believe that the people pulling these strings are trying to subvert humanity.
See my comment under one of the comments to know who
@T If you mean the WEF, it comes under the ESG. The Social part. The moment you mention the WEF people clam up and call you a conspiracy theorist when, in fact, it's no theory. It is their open and freely stated plan to bring everyone under one world government. Macron was on French TV, declaring it. Starmer is all for the WEF. Trudeau is a devoted acolyte. The EU commission is currently enforcing and regulating ESG with all trading nations. Americans are just waking up to it, but the UK is sleep walking. Sunak has just sold out Brexit to the EU with that new NI treaty, and is about to sign us up to the WHO amendments. These give total world control to the WHO, and even overrides national governments.
Peak trans.
People will end up refusing treatment and that can be deadly.
The elites do not care, they want to cull the population as per the Malthusian guidebook.
The lockdowns did the same and the policy makers didn't care then either. Consequences and casualties don't matter when woke idealism is in play.
Damn Nation.
Maybe that's the agenda. They can kill off the people who don't think like themselves without actually having to commit the genocide themselves.
If this goes through, women are going to be reluctant to seek urgent medical care. This is going to end badly.
hope it end very very bad so that stupid law makers face the consenquences
I’m so grateful to Helen Joyce for all she does.
Taking away the right to not consent makes the concept of consent meaningless. Consent by deception is a not only immoral but unlawful. If the patient is physically touched during the consultation or treatment, not just in intimate areas, by the opposite sex, without consent, this should be unlawful.
For intimate medical consultations, treatments or care, the female patient must be informed that it's a male medical practitioner attending and the patient is informed that a chaperone can be be requested. A patient can refuse consultation, treatments or care, until a female chaperone is arranged. Without knowledge that it's a male practitioner, due to deception, a female patient cannot know to request a female chaperone. If a female chaperone is requested because the attending medical practitioner is male ( no matter how he identifies) then this must be given and that must be a female chaperone. These guidelines are unlawful because it suggests that not only will the patient not be informed, but decieved. Furthermore, it suggests the patient cannot refuse a male practitioner attending and that they will be refused treatment on such basis. The NHS would be refusing the basic human right of healthcare on the basis of an individual's beliefs. This is unlawful not only according UK law but it breaks international laws too!
I hope there is a strong legal challenge to this immediately. And shame on the NHS for abandoning all ethics.
Well they tried to take away our rights to consent over the jabs!
You sound like a snowflake!!
@@moirabaker458Exactly. Consent has been the target for years. Disguised as something else so the masses don't notice. They even cheer for it.
Scary times.
Take this crap to The Hague..I am so sick of this shit I could spit.
I am left wing. Working class and pro union, environmentalist and feminist. Absolutely hate what transexual and queer ideology is doing to woman and to LGB. This is one area where the left and right should agree because the idea that people can swap genders is ridiculous and trivialises the experience of both women and men. People have a right to know the gender of someone doing a health assessment and they have the right to know the gender of who they are dating. They shouldn't be allowed to change birth certificates, passports etc and they should have to disclose when asked.
I am so impressed with Helen’s supreme clarity of thought and her ability to express that thought so clearly and concisely. 👍🏼
She is an excellent ambassador and counter=balance. She is not anti-trans, she is pro-women.
"the comfort of the staff member should be prioritised"!! 😱 So eff the comfort of the patients. Unbelievable, horrible guidelines.
I take issue with the closing statement, something along the lines of '...some trans people will see this as unfair...' (paraphrasing), this is the twisted thinking of a rapist, I don't owe someone the right to touch my body at all...period; to think it's unfair that I get to set my own boundaries around MY body is almost unfathomable.
There's something wrong with your comprehension. He wasn't AGREEING with that statement! He was saying that this is what "some trans people" will say. And, indeed, they will; you can bet on it!
I don't think anything that Evie Blessed wrote shows a lack of comprehension. One word she did use was period which is something these guys certainly won't be having !!
@@DieFlabbergast , nope, nothing wrong with my comprehension but please read people's words carefully before trying to find fault that is not there. Nowhere do I imply that he agrees with the statement, I simply address the idea he proposes. I take issue with the statement, not the fact he agrees or otherwise.
@@evieblessed That's just what I thought you wrote.
@@simonwinter8839 , thank you.
Does anyone remember when "The customer was always right"? Any person posing as the oversite sex - and in so doing denies biological reality - has no business being a Doctor or a Nurse.
Exactly this!!! How the hell are they allowed to do these jobs?
And to think the NHS employees are paid to write this rubbish 🙄
Alison Wren.
Yes,and they're being paid with yours and my money that could actually be spent on treating patients.
It’s about time the NHS got sued
The NHS is already on life support...it may be time to pull the plug.
When the trained "medical" staff dont know what a man or woman is ....thats the end
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Basically this so called guidance is saying that the delusions of individuals with mental health issues is more important than patient care. Why shouldnt patients be told that a clinician has a mental health issue which affects their work?
Patients in hospitals are usually vulnerable; out of it, drugged up, in pain, etc. and deserve to give trust that the hospital will give the best care, including RESPECTING a person's wishes but also know that a woman (or man) may very well prefer to be treated by the same sex for all their care.
This is such a farce. It's absolutely horrendous and Helen is right - evil!
Doesn't it also infringe on the religious rights of people for whom it is in violation of their religious beliefs to be naked and exposed to a member of the opposite sex?
This is disturbing, dementia patients would not be able to process this. I worked for the NHS for 47 years and I’m glad I’m not there now.
I really admire Helen for continuing to make her voice heard on this issue, she's always spot on.👍
I’m in the states and we’re going through this too.
This is what blurring the sex boundaries and making too many concessions looks like… now women have no say when they should have a right to not have a male person and vice Versa.
There are health care workers that I only want a female…. And my mother only wants a female. My brother deserves a male if he wants to only have a male. It’s my healthcare and I have my reasons and they have nothing to do with that person personally. It’s MY healthcare.
My mom is in a nursing home and in no way in hell is a male person taking my mom to the bathroom or shower!!!!
I don’t care about their boundaries no male is going to tend to my mother or myself like that…. Ffs this is ludicrous and not ok!!!
Keep fighting for us Helen!!!! 💪
C.K.
There could be a new job opening here for Donald Trump. Instead of sending him to prison for keeping all those documents in his house he could be employed to determine the actual sex of someone. He'd be good at that and then we could hear him brag about it in the locker room.
"Well he looked like a woman to me"
Oh dear,maybe not such a good idea !!
I really agree with this woman. Sod the staff member, my considerations should be top priority. If I don't want a man or trans woman giving me personal care, then I won't have one. This nonsense has got completely out of hand. It doesn't matter whether you live like a woman, look like a woman, you are not a woman. A man will never understand how woman work, or think. He can/she can define themselves as lampposts, but they won't ever be a lamppost.
If a caregiver is so sensitive they have a "Psychotic Break" when a patient isn't comfortable playing out their fantasies with them....then it is the caregiver that needs help.
@@edwardsmith5650 You have lost me, what has a patient playing out their fantasies got to do with being looked after? Why would a patient that needs care want to play out fantasies?
@@christinepage1523 why would a man want to pretend to be a woman?
@@christinepage1523 Don't see how I lost you. I was stating that patients, more specifically female patients, should not be required to participate in the fantasies of gender confused health care workers that are male pretending to be female.
@@edwardsmith5650 Well, maybe this is how you should have put in the first place, this explains much better.
Sorry,a patients has every right to know who is treating them. The patients are paying the wages of these NHS staff therefore the right lies with the patients not the NHS staff. Whoever, wrote this report should be dismissed. Helen is absolutely correct and I do not blame her for being livid. A man cannot become a woman, nor can a woman become a man, irrespective of how they look or act. They are still what they were born as and patients should have the overriding right.
Needless to say the whole thing is utter harmful insanity, but what I find particularly horrific and perverted is the notion that dementia patients should be challenged on their views. That is one of the most evil, heartless and downright dangerous policies I’ve heard! This must be stopped!
These elders have build the country after WWII and now are treated like life stock, because a minority thinks it fitting due to theire feelings being more important. Maybe we should send them trough the same hardships and than ask again
My father with dementia muddles sex pronouns for normal people sometimes let alone if someone identifying as something they aren’t. Anyone did a correction to my father hey would get an earful 🤬
One minute and 19 seconds into this video and I'm already thinking this could be a sex offenders paradise. Now I'll listen to the rest.
Well, it’s not like there haven’t been sex offenders working in medical settings before. Hell, an NHS trust even lied to and gaslighted a women patient -and the investigating police- denying that she could have been raped because there were no men on the women’s ward. Well guess what there was a trans woman on the ward and he raped the woman. It took a year for the police to get to the bottom of it, and it only then because of cctv footage and staff confirming it.
People are sick to death of these tiny percentage of sick people making our lives miserable...
Sex is observed at birth. We are told that gender is a social construct, but sex is sex.
I as a patient have every right to discriminate to who’s looking after me!
Of course you do .
What is at issue here is that they will listen to you then say you are barred from the GP`s surgery or hospital .
So you can protest and then have no treatment .It`s overt black mail.
What a wonderful intelligent woman she is Helen Joyce
I'm a 71-year-old retired Haematology Nurse who, since January 2008, has been entirely dependent on a small, chest-implanted, triple-lead, 'cardiac generator' for every one of my heartbeats (a 'pacemaker' fills in the gaps in arrhythmias). In the Spring of 2022, when I declined to have a 'covid' test (having read of their reliability), a young specialist Cardiologist phoned me at home to say, "No test; no operation!" I repeat, my LIFE depends on this machine: as could the lives of others, if it stopped as I was barelling down the M5 at the time. This is the new 'OUR' NHS. Get used to it! It is stuffed with left-wing ideologues and Communists, who bully others into compliance, having completely trashed Medical Ethics, as we used to know them. I know nurses who have left the 'profession' as a consequence of this.
The NHS management is beyond appalling now. Every single overpaid diversity cretin should be the first to go, followed rapidly by 90% of the layers of management. It's not hard for a real person to tell who's doing the work in an organisation.
I could do the clear-out. Just fire everybody who looks doubtful and then re-employ in the very few areas where anyone doesn't see a benefit from the firing.
So threatening death is ok now? This unfortunately doesn't surprise me. It is frightening. I know we love our NHS and everyone daren't say a word in opposition but I have heard too many stories that tell me this organisation is not to be trusted.
@@richardfox6595 My local NHS management has a person who describes himself as 'NHS Ambassador' and a 'REACT Wellbeing Conversationalist'. What the f**k is either of those? How much is his salary? Recently, they were pushing a 'new' thing called 'pansexualism' in the workplace. Why? This is the TAUNTON & SOMERSET FOUNDATION NHS TRUST.
Sieg Heil!!! You would do well in 1930's Germany. The number of left-wing ideologues and communists in the NHS is probably zero - the problem is a service dependant on near-slave labour cash starved by a party who would rather let the rich get richer and run by an overpaid management. Don't blame the workers, blame the people who put this short-sighted autocratic government in place. Your predicament was of your own doing - you only needed a simple test that would not put you at risk, that was not going to induce Covid but you stood by your beliefs and the cardiologist put the safety of his other patients to the forefront. I take it you are front of the queue when a rusty bus with no MOT turns up and the owner says he is not getting an MOT because of principle.
What is the best way to handle a bully? You swing the first punch.
It is absolutely up to everyone to stand their ground against this nonsense.
Thank you Helen, so articulate, so precise and logical in your words.
It almost seems that the patients are there to service the NHS and not the other way round.
That, my friend, is a piece of wisdom! What went on in the internment camps of WW2? The eugenics programmes have never really stopped. There was a noticeable change in ethics in healthcare when the transplant programmes began, nurses noticed and challenged this. The military/medical industrial complex is very secretive about its intentions, the top closest to gubmnt doesn't always let the minions know it's intentions.
If trans hospital workers can choose who they want to care for, it should be a reciprocal arrangement.
Women and children must be protected from the minority of dangerous men
Totally shocked!! It’s so disgusting, how is this happening!!🤬
Follow the money and the wef and un and who
Helen Joyce did an interview about it. Banks, pharmaceutical companies and tech companies. There's a billionaire trans person.
Inequality in society is really damaging to everyone in it. It's not just a woman's issue. Men need to realise what's happening. This is only going one way.
I would prefer not to be treated by someone with a mental illness
Exactly. I don't mind an opposite sex medical practitioner. They're usually very respectful and understanding. I do not want someone who's obviously delusional to treat me.
Im not articulate enough to argue but this lady is and i couldnt agree with her more!! Its out of comtrol so as a woman who has been SA by a man now cant ask for a female doctor ???? 😢😢😢😢
So only one side is allowed to feel uncomfortable?
I pass this on ,having seen it quoted elsewhere
." If a man chooses to call himself a woman ,that`s his choice.
But when he expects me to agree with him, that`s my choice"
This is the slippery slope.
No, no. This is the pile of rubble lying at the bottom of the slope. Society has already slid down that slope, and it will take decades, if not centuries, to get back up to the plateau of sanity.
How is this even legal??
They implied it wasn’t that this is an overreach.
It isn't. All of this men in female only spaces is illegal. No one is really challenging it though.
Totally agree with this lady. When we get into the realms of patient consent there should be no question. The law is there for a reason. As for people with dementia, the relatives are their to help the patient if they cant consent. Especially if they have power of attorney.
I always thought the priority of the NHS was the treatment and care of patients. Clearly not!
I can assure you the patient decides the rules of care, not the staff. If I say I do not consent to being examined or treated by a man, then no man is allowed to do so. I know from experience male nurses identifying as women have transgressed this rule with other women but I guarantee I will not be so complacent. I make the rules about my body, not the NHS and God help any staff member who attempts to thwart me.
Update: I was accused of a hate crime by my county hospital for saying “transwomen are men”. The police agreed with me and disagreed with the hospital. Know the law, even if hospital staff (and woke police officers) don’t.
Why do trans people think constantly forcing themselves on others (or getting the state to do it FOR them in this case) will result in public acceptance? That NEVER works!!! People change their minds from POSITIVE experiences, not from being bullied!
I absolutely agree .
I think most women will and the fact that these trans people think it will shows how masculine and testosterone filled they are.
I look at men in dresses and makeup and however convincing they look they never behave or have the thought processes of women.
Horrific.
Helen and Kathleen Stock are so well grounded and articulate for this life changing debate.
This is outrageous and to deliberately include patients with alzheimers who in most cases won't be able to speak for themselves, is just disgusting. What this will do is stop a lot of people from going to the doctors for routine checks and subsequently, may end up with a serious condition. Maybe thats what these people hope will happen.
Thank you Helen for such clarity. My perceptions count ❤
Should my elderly 85 year old female neighbour have her personal care carried out by a trans woman? Of course not, it’s about respect and dignity which my elderly neighbour deserves.
My Nana would make them uncomfortable calling a man a man. 😂
What's the difference between a person receiving care from a trans woman, a trans man, a man or a woman? Absolutely none as long as they receive the same quality of care. It's no different to whether your 85year old neighbour receives care from a white carer or a black or asian carer.
Your comment is suggesting a trans woman would not give the same level of respect and dignity during the course of their work than a black, Asian or white care worker of either sex which is totally wrong.
@@Lamya65 well I can understand why she has dementia what with having no family. Has she ever been married? Unfortunately when you're being cared for by the state you don't get to choose who cares for you, if you ever get into a care home don't be surprised having a black man taking you to the toilet 👍
@@Lamya65 there you go, unmarried, no children, wasted life, unsurprising she has dementia. She's living in a care home and they exist by virtue of government legislation to ensure local government can uphold its obligation to look after people who cannot look after themselves, irrespective whether she pays or not.
@@PeterPete My 85 year old neighbour has been married to her husband for 66 years and is a very proud independent lady, she doesn’t have to have a male attend to her personal care, it’s her choice to insist she has her personal care carried out by a female ,and it should be respected. I’m sick of men who insist they are women invading our spaces. Women are fighting back and we will win.
Very well presented by Helen Joyce !
I just ordered her book 🙂
It’s amazing!
This was talked about on the equality act debate the other night and Joanna Cherry said it was not legal for the NHS to impose this on patients.
The NHS needs a total overhaul and the patients pus FIRST. The customer is always RIGHT.
The customer is NOT right if they wish to break anti-discrimination laws of the jurisdiction. The institution has a duty to comply with the law, and no patient's prejudicial desire can over-ride that.
Not always right but in this case patients rights override delusions.
Dementia is a condition that brings a lot of anxiety to people, I imagine the NHS "challenging" my mum for transphobia because she sees a man and doesn't want to be touched by him. I'd seriously get heads rolled.
This is frightening
Infuriating
To say the least
Helen Joyce is excellent
The NHS is providing a service and patients are their customers, having worked with the general public for years, I was always taught the customer comes first and the customer is always right. Even when they were clearly in the wrong, we just had to suck it up. These delusional people should do the same, treat the patients how they want to be treated and suck it up, the patients are at their most vulnerable and weakest time of their lives.
"Sauce for the goose, but not for the gander...." By the sound of it, if doctors can choose, but patients cannot"
Disgusting. Just disgusting. What a deranged time to be alive!
Very deranged
Thank you Helen for being sane.. while staying clear and kind..
How is it not my right as a woman to have a woman examine me especially if it’s a gynae problem?
They're all qualified, studied, passed exams etc
@@OrwellsHousecat- tell that to the Muslim women. If they can request a female why can't we?
@@jsemplefelton5348 are they exempt from this?
@@jsemplefelton5348 why should I tell it to them? Why don't you? Why don't your representatives? Why don't the tens of thousands of taxpayer-funded cushy-job feminist organisations?
@@tracyaf6084 districts with a high percentage of Muslim or Orthodox Jewish women don’t have the unisex change rooms foisted on them, nor are men dressing up as or claiming to be women allowed in the women’s change room. So, they’ll probably get a pass
It's horrific. Victims of SA etc. being told they do not have a choice over the gender of their health care worker is cruel and totally unfair.
I am an ex-nurse for the NHS and I think this is appalling. You will never see me walk into another NHS environment. This is disgusting.
These are the cases that cause rifts. I should be able to choose if I would rather have a women treat me and now I can’t. That seems to override my rights.
It seems like the NHS has no clue about duty of care. What a farce.
I smell a court case coming.
already been one by a doctor who was fired for refusing to use pronouns due to his religious beliefs. . he has had to take it to the echr!!!
WOW 😮. This is unbelievable! How disgusting of the NHS to decide that a woman is discriminating if she decides who can or can't touch her without being accused of discrimination. Who are this group anyway!?
It will be their rainbow advisory board.
Hard to argue you're an underprivileged group when your feelings take precedence over the consent of others
Is is absolutely disgusting. 🤬 People working in any medical/care profession are providing a service, however laudable it may or may not be. It's not about them, it's about the patient or client's needs.
I will always ask for a doctor/nurse/carer to be female & if there isn't a female available, I'll refuse care. There are no ifs, buts or maybes on this issue as far as I'm concerned!
It sounds like yet another way to force the public to stop using the NHS & encourage us to go private. Disgusting.
I want to know if the nurse looking after me, who appears at first glance to be female, is in fact a man. It is long past time that we, the public, stopped being sucked into these peoples delusions, whather we are 'omfortable' or not.
Did dude just say what if the man “thinks like a woman”? Sometimes I wonder about Ian.
Ian often misses the point.
@@susanbishop5228 i liked the look on Helens face when he said it.😂. This whole thing is 🤡 world.
Patients have EVERY right to know which sex individual is going to examine and treat them. This is particularly important when the areas being treated is one's personal private areas. And that goes for both sexes, not women alone. Patients have a right of choice. It is treating the citizens with utter contempt to argue otherwise, let alone put it into practice. Do we all have to go private with a health company they can trust ? Are we going to get our NHS contributions back to pay for it ?
Can we also know their religion and diet?
@@OrwellsHousecat I work in healthcare in the US. Even ridiculous and outrageous and bigoted patients have their preferences honored when possible. If a racist patient doesn’t want a nurse of another race, we would even try to accommodate the request if only because it puts the carer at risk. Forcing your care on someone who doesn’t want it sets up a very uncomfortable dynamic for everyone. If someone doesn’t want my care for ANY reason, I don’t want to be assigned to them in case it escalates them to violence or a false allegation towards me. It’s hard enough in healthcare without adding that.
@@tracyaf6084 false comparison - the UK has a state-run taxpayer-funded healthcare monopoly called NHS whereas the USA has private companies providing the healthcare. These dynamics shape the market as well as industry practices.
Plus, the brits do what the brits have always done
@@OrwellsHousecat I understand and we have governments run and funded healthcare here as well but that but that doesn’t change the fact that most healthcare providers don’t want to be forced on patients that don’t want them. I’ve been a nurse for over 20 years and only had 2 patients refuse me for race. I’ve also had a few patients I’ve taken from nurses of other races for the same reason. I think their beliefs are disgusting but I don’t want to have to deal with them if they don’t like me. It’s better for both the carer and the patient to not be put in a that position.
I say that as someone who doesn’t really care about the sex of my own providers. My first was delivered by a lovely male OB who happens to be British and has strong opinions about the NHS. I’ve never refused a male provider for my daughters either although I do chaperone. It wouldn’t bother me if the provider is trans.
@@OrwellsHousecat For what possible reason would you need to know that ? Would you feel embarrassed be being examined by a fruitarian Zartoshtis ?
These people and their dumb ideas do not represent us. Please just fire all of them (and maybe jail some of them). Free us from this total insanity, it's too much.
If a woman refuses an examination from a male doctor, its doubtful that she would be accused of misandry. But if she refuses it from a trans woman doctor (a man who says he's really a woman) then she is accused of transphobia (?)
Has the person who made this decision ever met a patient with dementia? My 93 year old mother has Alzheimer’s and she wouldn’t have a clue what trans means but she has a total right to object to being cared for by someone who makes her feel uncomfortable.
Helen Joyce is amazing! 💐💐💐
Keep your voice out there ,Helen. You made great sense. Also,someone who wants a female gynecologist for their exams and not a male.
I do wish it wasnt necessary to point to religion or trauma to say no to these men. Privacy and dignity should be enough. No because i say so.
Helen Joyce as articulate and spot on as ever......what a mess this ideology is making of life.....sigh
Did he really say “thinking like a woman?” Wtf does that mean???
So how did they pass medical school if they cannot identify gender/sex. One of the most basic things a medical professional should know. How on earth did I even pass
Thank you for speaking the truth Helen. What is happening to Britain? Thank God I live in South Africa 🇿🇦 despite our problems.
Thank God for people like Helen🙏
"Feel uncomfortable" - The language of the infantilized.
The NHS official stance is that the comfort of staff is more important than the comfort of patients, and that a staff member can refuse to care for a patient if they don’;t feel comfortable but a patient is being discriminatory of a patient says they are not comfortable? Is this correct? Surely this is not an official stance by a peak health body?
"Downright evil!"
Yes!