We forgot to mention, but we're super happy that Sage's addition means we'll get more human like characters again in sonic games. We already got the new models for Maria and Gerald, and there's still that pink haired mystery girl we don't know about yet so that'll be super fun!! By the way, if you love Sonic and Pokémon then come check out our newest video. It's a theory about the origin of the legendary Pokémon Deoxys 🧡💜 th-cam.com/video/kMh8I82NY6g/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KjwrzVNF6Y9Mj6rN
@DevieDarx don't know if you read the IDW comics, but the plan is to have her join the cast post 75/76, I understand if you're only referring to games tho
@@SHORYUKIN-SF6 WAIT REALLY!?! We do read the comics, well at least we hear the fandubs for them, but we are NOT caught up. Games or comics, Sage being in all places will make us the happiest! Also IDW is PEAK among PEAK (and we LOVE Surge though we know nothing about her yet, since we aren't caught up lol)
@@SHORYUKIN-SF6 wait REALLY????? WHERE DOES THAT INFO COME FROM thats exciting.. so what, would that jmply that frontiers takes plsce some time after those issues?
@szkraft220 I believe Ian flynn confirmed it was the plan in either a Twitter post or a bumblekast. However, the plan absolutely could have changed in that time, so take it with a grain of salt
@@Freak_freak_sigmahey get ur mind out the gutter they were friends and technically shadow is an adopted uncle and he is younger then her before she died plus I think they have a sibling relationship
@Koko-pm4qq you are probably correct but isn't Gerald, Maria's grandfather too? If so wouldn't Shadow be Uncle? close enough either way. Wouldn't Maria be Eggman's aunt if Gerald was Maria's direct Father?
10:25 no they retconned it back into her being from another dimension, she just somehow wound up in Silver's future for some reason. Eggman nega on the other end still has his sonic rivals retconned backstory of being from the future instead of being from Blaze's dimension
I personally envision a macrocosm of "Sonic Prime" involving as many dimensions as possible merging back together again, and it includes the "alternate dimension" Eggman Nega and the "descendant from the future" Eggman Nega merged together as a truly evil version of Eggman. Only the truly evil Eggmen cannot defeat the heroes of the multiple Sonic worlds... EDIT - Sage... what about Eggette?
I think Sage has the most potential out of any modern Sonic character addition, from being just wholesome to giving Eggman more character motivation or even being a playable character for a game.
1:25 that was beautiful, “why am I attracted to this man” XD. Also how has this not gained more attraction?! This is high quality! Your doing a great job
Your not even wrong. Sage is the best new character since shadow. Ones that come close. Silver had a messy introduction Chip was an odd fit into sonic.
Sage's hair looks like the top half of an egg shell. I thought it was intentionally designed that way because Eggman, yet nobody else seems to bring attention to it.
I just imagine that after frontier Sage just become frenemies with sonic team, like after sonic bet her robot Amy goes to buy her ice cream and they go watch sonic and eggman duke it out before going "Next week? next week." or even better, Sage made Eggman become villain who use power of friendship and family
There is a reason why the Snapcube team lost their minds when they saw Sage at the Murder of Sonic The Hedgehog. She is a great and we all want to see more of her.
Considering the events of Sonic Frontiers, there's likely a parallel version of the Ancients and The End. That could be a good enough reason to bring her back.
@@DevieDarx I would love to see an Ifrit boss and nega Mother Wisp bosses in Sonic x Shadow generations. Both are connected to lore that sega refuses to use. Ifrit (sonic rivals 2) can destroy an intirer dimension bathing it in fire (the game comfirms its whole universe, not just a planet). Sonic and Shadow only defeat a heavily weakened ifrit as it isn't fully revived yet (it did eat a bunch of chao and become invincible, though. Plus, he has mind control powers and is just as sentient as chaos even though it wasn't at full power). But they still beat it in base, which is still incredibly impressive. I bring him up because Gerald has notes on ifrit implying Gerald Robotnik somehow got into the dimension that chaosic inferno takes place in. Plus, ifrit seems connected to the chao somehow, and Gerald knows of him, so i hope he is at least in the journal. As for the nega mother wisp, I loved her boss fight. She is a part of the wisps lore (yes, the wisps have lore actually lore, such as the mother wisp creating the wisps and the planets that eggman captured, the ds version of colors going into detail on how negative wisps are made and how it affects their minds, actually giving each wisps their own personalities like Lazer trying to fight the robots and void straight up destroying shit and causing chaos. The mother wisp is kind and motherly but can have a temper. eggman is lucky he got caught in the black hole before she got free. Plus, the wisps actually flow with level design in colors wii and ds. Similar to how the doom powers seem to. Unlike in the lost world or forces. The ds has a better story than the wii version. It has interesting lore, the wisps are fun and the stages are fun. Not to mention, multiple characters have sonic do missions to help free wisps or extra information on what is going on. I have both versions. The wisps are neat and do have lore. I wish sega would actually utilize their lore more). Ifrit and the mother wisp are very interesting and think you should cover them. Plus, the fact that Sonic and Shadow, among other characters, defeated Ifrit in base shows how powerful they are. Also, I think marine the raccoon should return due to her unexplained power, and the complaints about her are already addressed in her character arc and development from sonic rush adventure. Also, phantom king creates the egg revery, which is infinite in space-time, and space and time (yes, there is a difference) in Sonic Mania, and that's just classic super sonic. Also, Chaos drives, artificial chaos, the ark, and G.U.N. are all interesting. I wish sega would use them more, too. Oh, and Emerl and Gemerl should be explored a bit again. Sonic rush, rush adventure, rivals 2, the advance games, sonic battle, and Sonic colors ds deserve more attention. Oh, and sega sonic the hedgehog arcade is awesome. oh, and Sage definitely should return as she is a neat character with cool lore. And the dark arms and black doom are neat lore wise.
What's funny is, even if people want to say the ending where she dies is the canon ending, which is unlikely, they're literally a scene after the credits where Eggman finds a way to bring her back anyways
They did confirm the new ending is the canon ending. Blaze and Elise are still around, they retconned Blaze to being from another dimension again. As for Elise, she was shown in a recent Sonic Channel artwork ice skating with Silver.
@@Cretaceous158 Nah, if you play 06 it is very obvious her and Silver were supposed to be from the same future timeline. She doesn't know Sonic or any of his friends despite the events of the Advance and Rush games and she repeatedly refers to Silver's timeline as "our future". That Blaze died anyway, so if anything just consider her an alternate universe version of her, just like there are multiple Sonics now because the Generations Sonic is not from the past anymore. Sol Blaze is alive in her dimension, 06 Blaze is dead.
@@yoursonisold8743 I don’t think Sega would throw away all character backstory. They just forgot to say why she is in the future. 06 is just poorly executed.
6:30 She literally could simply have explained to sonic why he needed to stop what he was doing, but instead she just constantly demanded him to leave the island without ever explaining why. She needs to learn some communication skills.
Once thing I'm already excited for is seeing Sage and Metal Sonic fuse at some point to become strong enough to beat Sonic. Sage doesn't seem like a combat type, but if she fuses with another robot (as she already has in Frontiers), she might be able to power it up.
Love the video, I find Sage pretty interesting honestly, especially since she’s basically Eggman’s strongest creation next to Metal, there’s a lot you could do with her in potential stories and scenarios in the future
I'd like to see more sage content. Like her being our ally when eggman is off fighting whatever foe is the main one and start making him go down the dedede path in Kirby
Excellent video. Eloquent, thoughtful, the right amount of humour. Looking forward to more Also, this just makes me want to see little skits of eggman trying to be a dad to Sage, like trying to get her a birthday present or something
I finally got around to finishing Frontiers and playing the DLC just last weekend, I also managed to collect and listen to all of the voice logs right before going to the end. Man, I haven't had a Sonic game give me feels like this since my first time playing SA2 back in 2001. I truly hope that they do indeed keep Sage as an important character and build on this father/daughter dynamic between her & Robotnik. Great video btw
HOW THE HECK DO YOU ONLY HAVE 300 SUBSCRIBERS?! I genuinely thought you were a TH-camr with at least over a 1,000 or 100,000 subscribers, the quality is just amazing and you made actual effort in the SUBTITLES of all things, mad respects!!
True! I love Frontiers (it was my third ever Sonic game!) so I am so glad to see people praising its story! To add on, even during Sage’s songs (which are total bangers), meaning still wasn’t lost. “Dear Father” is like her final message before killing off The End, or what she sings to console herself while thinking of how she’ll never find a home. But “I’m With You” is Sage and Eggman heading home - a true home. She interprets that she has a family, both with Eggman and a found ‘family’ or friends with Sonic. The truth is that her abilities aren’t groundbreaking. Teleportation, shields, mind manipulation… but the way it was executed was amazing. Neither us nor Sage know why she cannot fully control the Titans. But we know she can control it fully without the Ancient and The End fighting for control (as seen with Supreme). Even down to her design. Especially in The Final Horizon, Red = Incorrect, emotionless, wrong while Blue = Solved, hacked, etc. Though The End’s purple aura is meant to mix the two, I’m guessing, Sage’s colors was red like the Cyber Corruption and gradually shifted to blue. It showed her dilemma being solved, which is why the final island was dedicated to her. She already had her problem solved.
Ngl i have no idea how you dont have more views or subscribers, it seems u put a lot of effort in these videos and i love ur editing... And your right Sage is the best character we have gotten in a while while. Anyway u have gained a new sub keep up the good work lov ur vids
Sage also allows for fascinating character arcs in games and the comics. Metal can get a little sister that might help his imposter syndrome. And in the comics Sage would even have a big sister that actually fights against eggman and has similar hang ups about family
Yes!!! We love the idea of Sage and Belle interacting with each other, and Metal being so prominent in IDW already means Sage's addition will give him even more well-deserved attention!
Also The Deadly 6 in the comics go crazy hard. In general i think IDW does some of these characters justice, especially in terms of giving them importance
This channel needs more subscribes and views bro. You two did amazing. I 100% agree with everything on sage. It’s amazing and great to see egg man actually happy and have family of his own.
21:47 Alright well, let's be real, he does treat Metal like a son in some situations, or at least favors him/likes him more than his other bots. Metal is Eggman's Pride and Joy when he's not trying to destroy all life, and he's rather consistent with putting up with Sonic. If Eggman needs something done right, 9/10 times he's sending Metal, especially if Sonic is involved.
Commenting to boost this vid because MAN is the quality amazing. Literally so engaging, my adhd ass could sit through it without thinking of something else or doom scrolling.
In the future sage should try to learn about being human and seek becoming a sythizoid (more advanced than a cyborg) and research shadow and seek him out to archive this. Something some characters would object to including whisper
10:45 Oh definitely! Man do I love Dreams of an Absolution, my favorite Sonic OST from the franchise! The song is heavily underappreciated, so thanks for mentioning it!
Loving the editing. Truly hope that Sage does get to shine. It makes me wish for archie back tbh since the potential interactions between her, adam, nicole, phage and shard would be awesome
And I kinda wanted to see it contrast to supersonic 2(or as I call that form cybersonic) with ss2/cs having a calm-anger and almost completely silent and the fleetway-like cyber-corruption form being extremely chaotic and erratic, maybe they could’ve made sonic switch to the cyber-corruption form when he briefly gets knocked out of ss2
We need a Metal and Sage tag team boss battle in a future game. Imagine, playing as Sonic and/or Tails, and you have to fight aginst them both. They actually complement Sonic and Tails well as adversaries. Sage, while more like a Frenemy to Sonic, would still do what’s necessary because he’s a threat to her father. But, Metal can challenge Sonic’s speed and fighting ability. While Sage can challenge Tails’ intelligence and still be able to fight him. I’d love to see her interact with the larger cast in the future.
Another reason Sage is more impactful than Eggman’s other creations is because she’s AI, and not just a mindless robot, she’s smart, she learns and she grows, unlike a mindless machine like Metal Sonic
Found you from this video and was immediately hooked by your insight and production skills! (I also love the Sonic franchise and hope for more videos on it in the future!❤) Awesome work! Subscribed!
Well we don't know she will be back yet but likely. With the cyberspace glitchy effect and Black Doom stretching Time and Space, Sage could appear to Shadow in SonicXShadow generations
The situation with The Dark Brotherhood's copyright is fucking tragic. We'll never get a proper conclusion to that story because one guy wanted to be an asshole.
Sage is my favorite Sonic character, she legitimately made me cry. I can't wait to see more of her. And that analysis of her was just perfect. I'm subscribing.
I like that Sage could basically be like Eggman's Bowser Jr. just more impactful. I think giving villains like Eggman or Bowser a soft side with their kids makes them so much more relatable and more human feeling.
With your arguement about relevant characters, I must mention 2: Tails: he appears in almost every game and usually helps with some invention Chaos: he actually has RIDICULOUS amounts of connections, as he is involved with adventure 1, 2, battle, generations, forces, heroes, and frontiers.
Tails does indeed hold incredible relevance even now, that's why we talked about a bunch of characters specifically added AFTER Shadow, as Sonic Team seems to still put a great amount of care for those added BEFORE Shadow's inclusion, even Big the Cat lol Same goes for Chaos being a character added before Shadow's debut, we just hope those added after Shadow will be met with the increased care and love that they deserve!
Just got done with this video after seeing the Genshin one first and man do I LOVE the style of y'all's videos! Usually don't comment much myself but id love to see what else y'all make videos about in time (as well as check out the others atm) Keep up the good content and that's an easy subscribe for sure
Imo my mind is from 4 month after that video came out but that we see sage as character more related to Eggman's mindset as the most noticeable change in writing new stories about well known characters (that's about shadow generations). When we see that perspective that they want to tell more deep stories in the future gives us an another possibility to get more big scripted history about the main cast themselves (as you mentioned when Sonic, Tails, Amy and Knuckles told their plans for the future). I think that future games will have bigger potential for some characters FROM the past get their own unique perspective on the lore (possible) (for example Silver as the one who not only protect from bad future but give more connection between Shadow AND Sonic)
I love this new side of egg man making a great character(if handled right) and somehow making him more deep. but Im afraid that would take away from him being the cartoonishly evil main antagonist, cuz egg man is a great villain and probably the best villain for sonic ngl.
I think cartoonishly evil villains actually do work really well when given that emotional level of nuance. Especially when cartoonishly evil villains can be viewed as annoying by some if that’s all their character is. If you know who Lord Boxman or Dr. Doofenshmirtz are, they are prime examples of why a nuanced, but cartoonishly evil villain actually works really well. Because even though they show that they can care about others it often doesn’t deter them from still being the villain for their own reasons, whether it’s a tragic backstory or just a deep seated want to destroy the Plaza. But, in short, I hope they continue using Sage in future Sonic media
I hope they keep Sage around and not just leave her to be just a Frontiers character. It'll be nice for Eggman to have someone to play off of who isn't his bumbling lackies or the mute Metal Sonic.
Silver was such a great interesting character it’s a shame that he was tied to the most critically hated Sonic game at the time so sega just pushed him to the sidelines to be a glorified background character
@@DevieDarx yeah! And I really think it would do Mephiles power some justice instead of him getting easily beat by shadow with his inhibitor rings on I really want it to be an intense high stake battle!
Ngl, I would really wish if Metal Sonic came back again (in a meaningful way) so that way, Metal and Sage can have intricate double battles. This will also bring back Metal Sonic as an actual threat just like his old days during his race on Stardust Speedway with Sonic Edit: So this is a win win for Sage, Eggman, and Metal Sonic fans
I’m honestly of the view that Eggman doesn’t need to be the villain anymore. Not in the mainline games at least. He’s always been at his beat when he’s shifted to anti-hero anyway, in SA2, at the end of 06 and in Frontiers. Sure he’s been a great antagonist, but they don’t need to do the same thing forever, and if Sage can change that it can only make the somewhat stale story of the past decade better.
I think his defeat in Forces should be the bow on his villain story. He took over the entire world and still lost. He achieved everything he set out to and still wasn't meant to win. Having Eggman as a neutral party, not good or evil, is kind of perfect. Let him create his own country and call it Eggmanland and get involved either out of necessity (like in Shadow the Hedgehog 2005) or let him get into serious conflict because he is trying to protect his nation but does so with dangerous methods.
we all know Blaze's inclusion in 06 is super confusing. But I have 1 thing to say. She was still from another dimension in Rush Adventure (which was released in 2007) and the IDW comics (which are canon to the games). Also, in the original ending there's a scene where Eggman manages to get Sage back using the Ancients' tech.
We forgot to mention, but we're super happy that Sage's addition means we'll get more human like characters again in sonic games. We already got the new models for Maria and Gerald, and there's still that pink haired mystery girl we don't know about yet so that'll be super fun!!
By the way, if you love Sonic and Pokémon then come check out our newest video. It's a theory about the origin of the legendary Pokémon Deoxys 🧡💜
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Sage could legitimately call Shadow her great uncle (or “grunkle” if you will) due to the familial ties between Eggman and Professor Gerald.
Grunkle Shadow 😂
@@lordx8844 Plus he can swear for real.
Sage learning damn from shadow is the funniest possibilities to ever be possible
YES YES YES!!!! Our Gravity Falls brethren!
@@lordx8844 YYYYYYEEEEESSSSSS!!
Anyone notice that Sage's design is meant to be a cracked open egg.. like her hair is half of an eggshell
I doubt that was done on purpose, but it's a cool headcanon.
It's possible. Sage chose that look herself after gaining sentience with Ancient tech
"Why am I attracted to this man" made me laugh😂
Usually I don’t like comments like these that just quote the video but I’m happy I’m not the only one who basically took that out of context💀
Excellent! That was Devie's idea!
@@ScarletTalks Haha!! Excellent!
Let's hope this ages like wine and not like milk
We hope so too, it would be so sad if this was the last time we really saw Sage!!
@DevieDarx don't know if you read the IDW comics, but the plan is to have her join the cast post 75/76, I understand if you're only referring to games tho
@@SHORYUKIN-SF6 WAIT REALLY!?! We do read the comics, well at least we hear the fandubs for them, but we are NOT caught up. Games or comics, Sage being in all places will make us the happiest! Also IDW is PEAK among PEAK (and we LOVE Surge though we know nothing about her yet, since we aren't caught up lol)
@@SHORYUKIN-SF6 wait REALLY????? WHERE DOES THAT INFO COME FROM thats exciting..
so what, would that jmply that frontiers takes plsce some time after those issues?
@szkraft220 I believe Ian flynn confirmed it was the plan in either a Twitter post or a bumblekast. However, the plan absolutely could have changed in that time, so take it with a grain of salt
Shadow is basically Eggman's Adopted Uncle. Think about it
We hope Eggman tells Shadow this truth with the most locked in face possible
If shadow is marias uncle then that means….😟
@@Freak_freak_sigmahey get ur mind out the gutter they were friends and technically shadow is an adopted uncle and he is younger then her before she died plus I think they have a sibling relationship
Wouldn't it be more like cousin? Maria was Eggman's cousin and Shadow was like a brother to Maria.
@Koko-pm4qq you are probably correct but isn't Gerald, Maria's grandfather too?
If so wouldn't Shadow be Uncle? close enough either way.
Wouldn't Maria be Eggman's aunt if Gerald was Maria's direct Father?
10:25 no they retconned it back into her being from another dimension, she just somehow wound up in Silver's future for some reason.
Eggman nega on the other end still has his sonic rivals retconned backstory of being from the future instead of being from Blaze's dimension
I personally envision a macrocosm of "Sonic Prime" involving as many dimensions as possible merging back together again, and it includes the "alternate dimension" Eggman Nega and the "descendant from the future" Eggman Nega merged together as a truly evil version of Eggman. Only the truly evil Eggmen cannot defeat the heroes of the multiple Sonic worlds...
EDIT - Sage... what about Eggette?
I think Sage has the most potential out of any modern Sonic character addition, from being just wholesome to giving Eggman more character motivation or even being a playable character for a game.
This channel's production is insane??? Honestly wish you guys got more attention this is great!
Awww shucks, we worked really hard on this so thank you!!!!!!!😄
1:25 that was beautiful, “why am I attracted to this man” XD. Also how has this not gained more attraction?! This is high quality! Your doing a great job
YAAAAYYY Devie made that edit and we were hoping for this reaction! And aaaawww thank you for being so sweet!!!! We will keep working hard!!!! 🧡💜
Ofc! I’m glad to hear it!
I love how Eggman was written in Frontiers. It's like he gave Sage the family he never had himself.
Your not even wrong. Sage is the best new character since shadow.
Ones that come close.
Silver had a messy introduction
Chip was an odd fit into sonic.
IKR! Silver and Chip were really cool but Silver got dealt a bad hand and Chip yeah while lovable, a bit odd lol
How about Blaze?
@@Cretaceous158If anything, she’s underutilized.
Sage's hair looks like the top half of an egg shell. I thought it was intentionally designed that way because Eggman, yet nobody else seems to bring attention to it.
I just imagine that after frontier Sage just become frenemies with sonic team, like after sonic bet her robot Amy goes to buy her ice cream and they go watch sonic and eggman duke it out before going "Next week? next week."
or even better, Sage made Eggman become villain who use power of friendship and family
There is a reason why the Snapcube team lost their minds when they saw Sage at the Murder of Sonic The Hedgehog. She is a great and we all want to see more of her.
10:25 retcon so bad they had to retcon the retcon
she from another dimension again, and that dimension is the "please bring me back" dimension
Considering the events of Sonic Frontiers, there's likely a parallel version of the Ancients and The End. That could be a good enough reason to bring her back.
This is why it’s important to hire writers who give af about the series, gives us a reason to care.
Shadow has an entire year dedicated to him... Wanna know who else has their own year? *Luigi.*
Luigi is also an Ultimate Lifeform
@@venomasmark14 The only correct conclusion XD
And a commercial failure....
Wait, this channel is underrated as hell tf? You deserve more subs.
@@traberger2212 Wow, we don’t know what to say, thank you so freakin much! We worked really hard on these videos, so we GENUINELY appreciate it!
@@DevieDarx I would love to see an Ifrit boss and nega Mother Wisp bosses in Sonic x Shadow generations. Both are connected to lore that sega refuses to use. Ifrit (sonic rivals 2) can destroy an intirer dimension bathing it in fire (the game comfirms its whole universe, not just a planet). Sonic and Shadow only defeat a heavily weakened ifrit as it isn't fully revived yet (it did eat a bunch of chao and become invincible, though. Plus, he has mind control powers and is just as sentient as chaos even though it wasn't at full power). But they still beat it in base, which is still incredibly impressive. I bring him up because Gerald has notes on ifrit implying Gerald Robotnik somehow got into the dimension that chaosic inferno takes place in. Plus, ifrit seems connected to the chao somehow, and Gerald knows of him, so i hope he is at least in the journal. As for the nega mother wisp, I loved her boss fight. She is a part of the wisps lore (yes, the wisps have lore actually lore, such as the mother wisp creating the wisps and the planets that eggman captured, the ds version of colors going into detail on how negative wisps are made and how it affects their minds, actually giving each wisps their own personalities like Lazer trying to fight the robots and void straight up destroying shit and causing chaos. The mother wisp is kind and motherly but can have a temper. eggman is lucky he got caught in the black hole before she got free. Plus, the wisps actually flow with level design in colors wii and ds. Similar to how the doom powers seem to. Unlike in the lost world or forces. The ds has a better story than the wii version. It has interesting lore, the wisps are fun and the stages are fun. Not to mention, multiple characters have sonic do missions to help free wisps or extra information on what is going on. I have both versions. The wisps are neat and do have lore. I wish sega would actually utilize their lore more). Ifrit and the mother wisp are very interesting and think you should cover them. Plus, the fact that Sonic and Shadow, among other characters, defeated Ifrit in base shows how powerful they are. Also, I think marine the raccoon should return due to her unexplained power, and the complaints about her are already addressed in her character arc and development from sonic rush adventure. Also, phantom king creates the egg revery, which is infinite in space-time, and space and time (yes, there is a difference) in Sonic Mania, and that's just classic super sonic. Also, Chaos drives, artificial chaos, the ark, and G.U.N. are all interesting. I wish sega would use them more, too. Oh, and Emerl and Gemerl should be explored a bit again. Sonic rush, rush adventure, rivals 2, the advance games, sonic battle, and Sonic colors ds deserve more attention. Oh, and sega sonic the hedgehog arcade is awesome. oh, and Sage definitely should return as she is a neat character with cool lore. And the dark arms and black doom are neat lore wise.
@@DevieDarxThat's false at least for metal sonic metal sonic is actually the only other creation he's the only that eggman see as his son
Wdym underrated this channel like ain’t even rated at all despite having some of the best mic quality and editing I’ve seen.
Like the section that starts at 10:09
What's funny is, even if people want to say the ending where she dies is the canon ending, which is unlikely, they're literally a scene after the credits where Eggman finds a way to bring her back anyways
3:55 "Now has a canonical daughter."
Belle in the corner: Am I a joke to you? (She was revealed in 2020 in a Comic Con online.)
She’s Mr tinker’s daughter not eggman
They did confirm the new ending is the canon ending. Blaze and Elise are still around, they retconned Blaze to being from another dimension again. As for Elise, she was shown in a recent Sonic Channel artwork ice skating with Silver.
There was never a retcon. Blaze was always from the Sol dimension, even in 06. They just never say how she got to the future.
@@Cretaceous158 Nah, if you play 06 it is very obvious her and Silver were supposed to be from the same future timeline. She doesn't know Sonic or any of his friends despite the events of the Advance and Rush games and she repeatedly refers to Silver's timeline as "our future". That Blaze died anyway, so if anything just consider her an alternate universe version of her, just like there are multiple Sonics now because the Generations Sonic is not from the past anymore.
Sol Blaze is alive in her dimension, 06 Blaze is dead.
@@yoursonisold8743 The leaked character bios from 06 say she is from another dimension and guards the Sol emeralds.
@@Cretaceous158 "leaked" as in not canon. Ever heard of a rewrite before?
@@yoursonisold8743 I don’t think Sega would throw away all character backstory. They just forgot to say why she is in the future. 06 is just poorly executed.
6:30
She literally could simply have explained to sonic why he needed to stop what he was doing, but instead she just constantly demanded him to leave the island without ever explaining why. She needs to learn some communication skills.
Once thing I'm already excited for is seeing Sage and Metal Sonic fuse at some point to become strong enough to beat Sonic. Sage doesn't seem like a combat type, but if she fuses with another robot (as she already has in Frontiers), she might be able to power it up.
i really hope this video doesnt age poorly. I really wish SEGA would keep growing their characters like this
I find it interesting that SEGA brought back his motorcycle but not his gun 😂for the campaign
Every Robotnik has an Edgy oc
Like grandfather like grandson
Ya know what I think? Sega (or Ian Flynn) saw the stuff going on with Eggette/Omelette and went "Aw shit, that's a good idea!"
Love the video, I find Sage pretty interesting honestly, especially since she’s basically Eggman’s strongest creation next to Metal, there’s a lot you could do with her in potential stories and scenarios in the future
Thanks for the kind words! And yeah with Eggman wanting to put her in the whole Eggnet, she might even be the next game's final boss!
Lmao the way silver, iblis and INFINITE are defeated is wayyy too funny lmaoo 15:30
I'd like to see more sage content. Like her being our ally when eggman is off fighting whatever foe is the main one and start making him go down the dedede path in Kirby
I really love the almost Crashbox style of the editing and visuals of this video, I'll be keeping an eyeout for you in the future!
Thank you so much!!!! We will keep working hard!!
Excellent video. Eloquent, thoughtful, the right amount of humour. Looking forward to more
Also, this just makes me want to see little skits of eggman trying to be a dad to Sage, like trying to get her a birthday present or something
Make shadow meet sage for insta trauma 👍👍👍👍
Yeah actually! She IS similar to Maria, even Eggman thinks so in his memos
fire production quality
I finally got around to finishing Frontiers and playing the DLC just last weekend, I also managed to collect and listen to all of the voice logs right before going to the end. Man, I haven't had a Sonic game give me feels like this since my first time playing SA2 back in 2001. I truly hope that they do indeed keep Sage as an important character and build on this father/daughter dynamic between her & Robotnik. Great video btw
HOW THE HECK DO YOU ONLY HAVE 300 SUBSCRIBERS?! I genuinely thought you were a TH-camr with at least over a 1,000 or 100,000 subscribers, the quality is just amazing and you made actual effort in the SUBTITLES of all things, mad respects!!
True! I love Frontiers (it was my third ever Sonic game!) so I am so glad to see people praising its story!
To add on, even during Sage’s songs (which are total bangers), meaning still wasn’t lost. “Dear Father” is like her final message before killing off The End, or what she sings to console herself while thinking of how she’ll never find a home. But “I’m With You” is Sage and Eggman heading home - a true home. She interprets that she has a family, both with Eggman and a found ‘family’ or friends with Sonic.
The truth is that her abilities aren’t groundbreaking. Teleportation, shields, mind manipulation… but the way it was executed was amazing. Neither us nor Sage know why she cannot fully control the Titans. But we know she can control it fully without the Ancient and The End fighting for control (as seen with Supreme).
Even down to her design. Especially in The Final Horizon, Red = Incorrect, emotionless, wrong while Blue = Solved, hacked, etc. Though The End’s purple aura is meant to mix the two, I’m guessing, Sage’s colors was red like the Cyber Corruption and gradually shifted to blue. It showed her dilemma being solved, which is why the final island was dedicated to her. She already had her problem solved.
Ngl i have no idea how you dont have more views or subscribers, it seems u put a lot of effort in these videos and i love ur editing... And your right Sage is the best character we have gotten in a while while. Anyway u have gained a new sub keep up the good work lov ur vids
Thank you that's so nice!! We really did work hard on all these and are just stunned by all the support! We will keep up the pace!
Wow didnt expect to find a chanel with such a high production value and so few subs hope your chanel grows a lot
That's so sweet thank you!!!! We'll work hard for y'all!!
Sage also allows for fascinating character arcs in games and the comics. Metal can get a little sister that might help his imposter syndrome. And in the comics Sage would even have a big sister that actually fights against eggman and has similar hang ups about family
Yes!!! We love the idea of Sage and Belle interacting with each other, and Metal being so prominent in IDW already means Sage's addition will give him even more well-deserved attention!
Sage and eggman’s dynamic honestly made me emotional when i played frontiers, i love this character
Also The Deadly 6 in the comics go crazy hard. In general i think IDW does some of these characters justice, especially in terms of giving them importance
This channel needs more subscribes and views bro. You two did amazing. I 100% agree with everything on sage. It’s amazing and great to see egg man actually happy and have family of his own.
21:47 Alright well, let's be real, he does treat Metal like a son in some situations, or at least favors him/likes him more than his other bots. Metal is Eggman's Pride and Joy when he's not trying to destroy all life, and he's rather consistent with putting up with Sonic. If Eggman needs something done right, 9/10 times he's sending Metal, especially if Sonic is involved.
Commenting to boost this vid because MAN is the quality amazing. Literally so engaging, my adhd ass could sit through it without thinking of something else or doom scrolling.
Thank you thank you!!! We worked very hard on it and are so glad you really enjoyed it!! 🥰🥰🧡💜
Replying to this, not to boost it, but because I just normally like to reply to a lot of comments in videos
In the future sage should try to learn about being human and seek becoming a sythizoid (more advanced than a cyborg) and research shadow and seek him out to archive this. Something some characters would object to including whisper
10:45
Oh definitely!
Man do I love Dreams of an Absolution, my favorite Sonic OST from the franchise!
The song is heavily underappreciated, so thanks for mentioning it!
Loving the editing. Truly hope that Sage does get to shine. It makes me wish for archie back tbh since the potential interactions between her, adam, nicole, phage and shard would be awesome
I loved the editing on this video, the presentation has style like no other
You are way too underrated man! Your editing is incredible!
yo the production quality on this video? genuinely super underrated! you deserve much more views and subscribers :]
8:04 I personally saw a connection to fleetway supersonic, especially with the ringed irises(?) and the sharpened teeth
And I kinda wanted to see it contrast to supersonic 2(or as I call that form cybersonic) with ss2/cs having a calm-anger and almost completely silent and the fleetway-like cyber-corruption form being extremely chaotic and erratic, maybe they could’ve made sonic switch to the cyber-corruption form when he briefly gets knocked out of ss2
We need a Metal and Sage tag team boss battle in a future game. Imagine, playing as Sonic and/or Tails, and you have to fight aginst them both. They actually complement Sonic and Tails well as adversaries. Sage, while more like a Frenemy to Sonic, would still do what’s necessary because he’s a threat to her father. But, Metal can challenge Sonic’s speed and fighting ability. While Sage can challenge Tails’ intelligence and still be able to fight him. I’d love to see her interact with the larger cast in the future.
The editing on this video is genuinely so cool
Thank you!! We worked really hard on it!
2:52 i remember when sonic mania came out , the fan base made a mock up of eggman's daughter called omelet i thought that was a cool idea
Lovely video!
7:46 sage comes back in the original ending too because of the end credits scene
I love the fact that metals Sonic’s shirt in the murder of sonic the hedgehog implies you’re correct
Another reason Sage is more impactful than Eggman’s other creations is because she’s AI, and not just a mindless robot, she’s smart, she learns and she grows, unlike a mindless machine like Metal Sonic
Found you from this video and was immediately hooked by your insight and production skills! (I also love the Sonic franchise and hope for more videos on it in the future!❤) Awesome work! Subscribed!
Thank you!!!! 🧡💜We will DEFINITELY be making more Sonic content! You are amazingly sweet!
we litterly did a shadow with sage. we liked the character so much, sega had to bring it back
Well we don't know she will be back yet but likely.
With the cyberspace glitchy effect and Black Doom stretching Time and Space, Sage could appear to Shadow in SonicXShadow generations
Oh we are praying that happens!!
The situation with The Dark Brotherhood's copyright is fucking tragic. We'll never get a proper conclusion to that story because one guy wanted to be an asshole.
Great video man!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
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Sage is my favorite Sonic character, she legitimately made me cry. I can't wait to see more of her. And that analysis of her was just perfect. I'm subscribing.
🧡💜Thank you again! You’re words are sweet and YES SAGE IS THE BEST!!!!
Great video, I love it
Thank you so much we really appreciate it!!!💜🧡
This video is so well made! You’ve definitely earned a new sub! :)
SAGE VS OMEGA, with Shadow trying to separate the 2 sides
I like that Sage could basically be like Eggman's Bowser Jr. just more impactful. I think giving villains like Eggman or Bowser a soft side with their kids makes them so much more relatable and more human feeling.
It's interesting because I see sage doing for eggman what Bowser Jr did for Bowser
With your arguement about relevant characters, I must mention 2:
Tails: he appears in almost every game and usually helps with some invention
Chaos: he actually has RIDICULOUS amounts of connections, as he is involved with adventure 1, 2, battle, generations, forces, heroes, and frontiers.
Tails does indeed hold incredible relevance even now, that's why we talked about a bunch of characters specifically added AFTER Shadow, as Sonic Team seems to still put a great amount of care for those added BEFORE Shadow's inclusion, even Big the Cat lol
Same goes for Chaos being a character added before Shadow's debut, we just hope those added after Shadow will be met with the increased care and love that they deserve!
Love the closing image it’s just like the adventure days!
Just got done with this video after seeing the Genshin one first and man do I LOVE the style of y'all's videos! Usually don't comment much myself but id love to see what else y'all make videos about in time (as well as check out the others atm) Keep up the good content and that's an easy subscribe for sure
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Cool Video!
8:05 that looks like fleetway Sonic from the comics
IT DOES!!!
This guy is a top-tier youtuber. If you keep doing amazing vids who knows you might be in the list of pioneer poke tubers or sonic tubers. Possibly
Sage looks like she would poke bugs with sticks
Imo my mind is from 4 month after that video came out but that we see sage as character more related to Eggman's mindset as the most noticeable change in writing new stories about well known characters (that's about shadow generations). When we see that perspective that they want to tell more deep stories in the future gives us an another possibility to get more big scripted history about the main cast themselves (as you mentioned when Sonic, Tails, Amy and Knuckles told their plans for the future). I think that future games will have bigger potential for some characters FROM the past get their own unique perspective on the lore (possible) (for example Silver as the one who not only protect from bad future but give more connection between Shadow AND Sonic)
Sega is starting to get their shit together. I'm going to allow myself to hope that the next stories with her will be awesome
I love this new side of egg man making a great character(if handled right) and somehow making him more deep. but Im afraid that would take away from him being the cartoonishly evil main antagonist, cuz egg man is a great villain and probably the best villain for sonic ngl.
I think cartoonishly evil villains actually do work really well when given that emotional level of nuance. Especially when cartoonishly evil villains can be viewed as annoying by some if that’s all their character is.
If you know who Lord Boxman or Dr. Doofenshmirtz are, they are prime examples of why a nuanced, but cartoonishly evil villain actually works really well. Because even though they show that they can care about others it often doesn’t deter them from still being the villain for their own reasons, whether it’s a tragic backstory or just a deep seated want to destroy the Plaza. But, in short, I hope they continue using Sage in future Sonic media
WOW good dynamic and great video all off the rip I subbed
I hope they keep Sage around and not just leave her to be just a Frontiers character. It'll be nice for Eggman to have someone to play off of who isn't his bumbling lackies or the mute Metal Sonic.
I’d love a game on sage specifically she immediately became my favorite sonic character next to shadow
I swear, if they make her aBowser Jr. type character...
Silver was such a great interesting character it’s a shame that he was tied to the most critically hated Sonic game at the time so sega just pushed him to the sidelines to be a glorified background character
"DEAD YOU SAY?"
YOU'VE RETURNED!!
I'm glad TH-cam recommended me this.
These 2 most likely won’t like each other since Eggman serves sage and Shadow usually wants to end em
Mephiles is making a return!! :D
We're so hype after seeing him in the trailer!!
@@DevieDarx same here!! It’ll be so cool if shadow takes off his inhibitor rings for the boss as a call back to 06
@@CorruptedMapping HOLY COW that would be amazing, especially if he's using his new Doom powers on top of that!
@@DevieDarx yeah! And I really think it would do Mephiles power some justice instead of him getting easily beat by shadow with his inhibitor rings on I really want it to be an intense high stake battle!
Sage sounds like it would be the name of a type of plant tbh.
Edit: oh dam it actually is
I'm looking forward to Sage's first interaction with Omega (and Belle in the IDW comics).
I dont have much knowledge about sonic, but i loved eggman in the boom series and i am glad he got such a heartwarming storyline! :D
Boom Eggman do be funny
Ngl, I would really wish if Metal Sonic came back again (in a meaningful way) so that way, Metal and Sage can have intricate double battles.
This will also bring back Metal Sonic as an actual threat just like his old days during his race on Stardust Speedway with Sonic
Edit: So this is a win win for Sage, Eggman, and Metal Sonic fans
I’m honestly of the view that Eggman doesn’t need to be the villain anymore. Not in the mainline games at least.
He’s always been at his beat when he’s shifted to anti-hero anyway, in SA2, at the end of 06 and in Frontiers.
Sure he’s been a great antagonist, but they don’t need to do the same thing forever, and if Sage can change that it can only make the somewhat stale story of the past decade better.
It does get stale doing the same thing over and over, so mixing things up a bit would definitely be more interesting.
I think his defeat in Forces should be the bow on his villain story. He took over the entire world and still lost. He achieved everything he set out to and still wasn't meant to win.
Having Eggman as a neutral party, not good or evil, is kind of perfect. Let him create his own country and call it Eggmanland and get involved either out of necessity (like in Shadow the Hedgehog 2005) or let him get into serious conflict because he is trying to protect his nation but does so with dangerous methods.
@@yoursonisold8743 I'm so overlord brained recently that the idea of eggman building his own functional country is making me drool lol
really liked the TV at the beginning
Imagine an interaction between Sage and GLaDOS.
we all know Blaze's inclusion in 06 is super confusing. But I have 1 thing to say. She was still from another dimension in Rush Adventure (which was released in 2007) and the IDW comics (which are canon to the games). Also, in the original ending there's a scene where Eggman manages to get Sage back using the Ancients' tech.
Correction: BOTH versions of Dreams of an Absolution are bangers