@@tarstarkusz Except that the pre-test probability of a narcissism dx is very very high. Anyone who opens an online vlog using their own family too gain online popularity HAS a personality disorder - cluster B - pick any two out of the four.
@@tarstarkuszI hate to break it to ya but personality disorders are not that difficult to see when the person plasters their toxic behavior all over TH-cam and the news for years and years, especially if that PD is narcissism and the person calling it has first hand experience with it. It’s not like we are diagnosing her with bipolar 🙄. If that lady isn’t a narc then I’m not a human being. If you can’t also see that then that only speaks to your lack of understanding regarding NPD. She’s not only a narc but she’s a sadist. She enjoys seeing others in pain. This isn’t rocket science.
@@tarstarkusz , OMG. Dr. Grande isn't an armchair psychologist. He's a real one. The rest of us who are opining in comments are the armchair psychologists.
@@misslannie73 Her conviction was 1 to 60 years, but in Utah the maximum someone who *isn't* sentenced to life or capital murd3r is 30yrs, but if she dosen't break any laws whilst incarcerated, could be out in as little as four years, which is decided by the parole board, and as the prisons are over populated and under staffed, I'd guess the lesser of the two which could be soon with time served.
@@lispyDribblerit’s Utah, not Southern California. She will probably serve at least 15 years. The parole board determines if a person is truly sorry, and if they are no longer a threat to society. except society wasn’t at risk, it was her own biological children. very unlikely she will get 9 years legal sage 🙄😒
The fact that this woman never had a job but expected her children to do all these household chores shows how unaware she is. She's unaware about her awfulness.
He pretending he wasn't there. The big question is how did he know what was missing when he tried to have his daughter arrested. He knew Rubie had not got rid of the items or devices.
As has been shared numerous times on numerous threads, it is Jody’s MO to separate husbands and wives from each other, convincing everyone with the husband is evil and danger to the children and wife. He dutifully stayed away for 13 months while receiving “therapy” from Jodi. He had no idea his children were in Jodi’s house either since he was not allowed any contact with even his wife
Instead of thanking law enforcement and medical professionals how about an apology to her children she tortured and abused since the day they were born.
This, this right here. If she truly was remorseful she would have apologized to the children for all the abuse she inflicted on them. I think Jodi and her are sadistic both were power tripping over these children. They felt in complete control dominating over them.
She did address her children in her statement. It was kind of hard to hear since she was supposedly crying during that time but she did express remorse over how she treated them.
Why didn't she thank her child for escaping? She thanked the entire legal and law enforcement community, but she wouldn't be there if not for her child's brave and heroic escape.
This is such a horrific case. If her son hadn't escaped they surely would have died. Drowning him, kicking him with boots not to mention the deprivation of EVERYTHING. Just horrific.
@@metalgearsausage That doesn't surprise me. It's easier to list what torture they *didn't* inflict on these poor kids. It turns my stomach every time I hear the details.
It's a horrific case of long-term abuse and it makes one wonder if Ruby Franke has SPD or sadistic personality disorder* as well as whatever else may be going on with her, psychologically. * SPD was last in the DSM 3 and was removed by the APA due to concerns that it would be used as an excuse by perpetrators of abuse in legal cases yet many clinicians still do use it diagnostically.
Yeah, and honestly i wished it had gone to trial, because i think part of her church was to blame, and also her husband because abuse was happening with other siblings long before the youngest two. And having a sibling say they were shyte scared of making any mistakes is horrific all on its own. Imagine living for years in fear.
Agreed, that's particularly heart-breaking. If those kids don't get the help they need, they're going to end up with spouses (or friends, or employers, etc.) who abuse them and they'll always blame themselves for the abuse.
That’s how a narcissist is able to abuse their family and keep them from leaving. It’s called “trauma-bonding”. It’s all done through serious gaslighting and mixing abuse with “love”.
@@dio69666 Ruby's parents were very strict, from what I understand. And she was parentified and raised her younger siblings. Parentified children can become strict perfectionists.
Prison is horrible? Food, shelter, medical, education and entertainment? Horrible would be to subject her to the treatment she inflicted on her children!!!
“Restitution” should include millions needed for lifetime counseling the children will need and so deserve. Even if she gets out early on parole, there should be no contact between this birth mother in name only, and her “chicks,” for a very very long time if ever.
I have a feeling they're gonna go easy on her and go with something close to the minimum. I'd be surprised if she got more than 10 years and it'll probably be closer to 8.
"I'm thankful for you handcuffing and punishing me" sounds too much like her telling their children she's handcuffing and torturing them for her own good...
I agree. I'm not buying his sudden want for divorce. He's trying to grab more money. But any money needs to be set aside for adulthood. Kevin already owes his children millions for unpaid labor alone! He needs to be locked up. But people are falling for his and ruby's act.
The things they charged her with, he didn't live there at the time. I mean, I think he was neglectful even when they lived together, but that's not what the charges were about.
Her message was directly aimed at the parole board and rehabilitating her image for a comeback. Diabolically manipulative. She’s always been about appearances and this was the performance of a lifetime
No apologies to her son R and daughter E for smearing their names in her first statement when she was arrested. Desperate and self serving speech she gave. What a narcissist.
Ruby’s “my preference” line during what seemed like an award acceptance confirmed Everything that I had come to believe about her….smug, entitled, pretend pious, victim…etc. I found her to be even more nauseating than some convicted murderers I’ve seen come before judges. Everything about this contrived maniac came out loud and clear when she read her manifesto to the judge. Thank you, as always, for commenting on this so perfectly.
Exactly this. Shes such a narc, still trying to control the situation whilst protesting she's the victim in all of this! lol nice try, I hope the judge sees right through it and gives her minimum 15 years.
I do not believe Ruby Franke. I agree with Dr. Grande in that her speech was a performance for an imagined and interested audience. She was acting as she assumed the public would be expecting. Nature can be cruel and brutal, but I have yet to see a "Mama Duck" purposely try to drown and torture her ducklings.
I'll try... "Moma Cat" and the ducklings she hauled inside where her favourite cat friend lived. Cats look after kittens so there's not really an appropriate animal analogy that works without different species. She's sub-human.
I looked that up because I wondered the same thing. Wikipedia says they had been separated for a year and he was living elsewhere while all of this was going on. He said he didn’t know about it and filed for divorce once he learned what had been happening. Did this man not talk to his kids for a year??
@@oneminuteofmydayyup his lawyer said he blocked his children’s phone numbers so they couldn’t contact him. He should be charged with child neglect or abandonment.
@@LBdreaminyeah, those children did not have a role model. Ruby truly is no role model Great preference and taste in music btw unlike Ruby's preferences
Ruby played the victim and blamed everyone else but herself for everything, a narcissist never takes accountability for anything…. I hope she enjoys her jail cell ….
Reminds me of the Monty Python skit where the convicted mass murderer got a suspended sentence by accepting responsibility and gushingly thanking everyone in the court.
Ruby knew to kiss up to the people who had power over her. I can’t help but think that this is how she expected her children to act. Prosecutors, judges, & cops aren’t going to punish her in the way she needs to be punished. She’s got them wrapped around her finger.
She still seems like she'sj delusional about everything. I don't know how she ever thought she knew how to treat children. It was like a concentration camp. Covering someone's mouth so they can't breathe seems like attempted murder to me.
My mother is highly narcissistic and tried to commit suicide two times within a month. I was the only one home when the first overdose occurred. At her doctors appointment following the overdose attempts, she incessantly apologized to her doctor, for what happened, to the point where he grew irritated, looked at her and said, “stop apologizing to me. The ones you need to be apologizing to are your children!” The look on his face said it all. He knows she’s a narcissist, but it threw him for a loop, seeing that she cared more about how she came across him and his feelings about the incident, more than her own children. Which is always been the case in my life… She’s always cared about others more than she has her own children. I was glad he stepped up to the plate, and said something on my behalf , to her. It was disgusting. They totally discount their own children, no matter what! Ruby and her speech, reminded me so much of my mother.
Did she have any kind of revalation after he saud that? I'm curious if they can have at least some self awareness when confronted. Sorry you had to go through that.
@@kateryna-ostapenko she started apologizing to me….in front of him, saying, “I AM sorry for my children,” and told him that she already had apologized to us, especially me since I was there and had to witness it and call 911. But that was a lie. She never would let me talk about it either, explaining how traumatic it was to deal with that. It ignited her shame apparently. Then….doing it again just weeks later when I had gone out of town, because she was embarrassed to be back in the mental health facility after promising them there that she wouldn’t do it again, she had to blame someone else, which was me. She lives in pain….elderly and several medical issues, so the first time was to get herself out of pain she said. But she needed a different reason (in her mind), as to why she did it again. That crushed me hearing that from her counselor in there. I know she’s got mental issues and was a mommy dearest while growing up, but to have your own mother blame you for trying to take her own life….was a solid blow to my gut! 🫤
Your observation that she was trying to take back control with her statement was very insightful. I think a lot of people had a negative reaction to it because at some point in their life they've heard speeches like this from a person who never changed their behavior. Ruby was abusive long before she met Jodi, and had her son not bravely escaped she may have got away with it for a long time. She's used to her deception being effective.
I tried to find out what this woman did for a living besides being a mom & I couldn’t find anything. If it wasn’t for her husband or parents, she’d be on welfare. She reminds me of the mom from Carrie & Kathy Bates from Misery. She was so insecure that she used her kids as a replacement for the world; the world she couldn’t control. Her kids, she could.
I think Ruby needs to serve at least ten years. That way her youngest kid can grow up to adulthood and not in fear of her getting visitation at some point.
You're totally right on this one, Dr. Grande. I also don't believe that pathetic excuse for an apology. It felt more like acting out a scene on a stage. Besides, who cares if she's sorry at this point? The damage she inflicted on her children will have lifelong implications. Who will erase that damage from those poor children? Certainly no pseudo-apologist for a mother! I hope she serves the full term of 30 years. No less than that would be enough reparation for the pain she's caused.
You said exactly what I thought. She said the "right words" to make people believe she was changing. I was once in rehab and told them I felt freer locked up in rehab than I felt outside. It was a lie,but they liked it. Thats what Ruby did. I love your channel. I'm 81 years old. It was tatical, just like you said.😊
False, insincere, and superficial apologies by dark tetrad personalities who get caught up in cult-like behavior and are ultimately convicted of their despicable crimes by a jury of their peers bore me. After desensitization has begun to set in, disinterest follows.
The saddest part about this is the kids probably didn't even deserve any punishment. I don't even think they did anything wrong to be punished for, let alone the fact that the punishment is psychotic 😢 I just hope she gets her just reward in prison and they get to see what it's like to be abused!
I watched some of the stuff and one of the punishments was for a silly harmless prank like a boy told his brother it was time to go to school when it wasn't. Another time she was monitoring their use of electronics when she wasn't home, and saw the 12 year old had played games on the iPad outside of allowed hours. It seemed like in the beginning she was doing a good job with guiding the kids and it got worse around the time she allied herself with that therapist woman. I blame the Mormon church for making their followers more susceptible to bizarre beliefs, it explains why she was so easily influenced.
I think you're right. Sadly, they never could produce any concrete reason the took Christmas away from the two youngest children or why they sent Chad to the wilderness camp, just aclot of vague gobbledygook. With these children I think she/they provoked reactions from them so they would have screason to punish them. What a couple sickos!
All these comments Ruby made are an attempt to manipulate the judge ! In my opinion, she’s full of shit ! Only someone with a depraved mind can do that to a child and I don’t think she’s fixable. They should throw away the key.
These two deserve the same sentence they gave their victims… LiFe!!! Those kids will be traumatized for the rest of their lives…they aren’t sorry for what they did and only sorry they were caught. Ruby was abusing her children long before she met Jodi.
So what about the dad who let all this happen???!!! is he not just as complicit as the business partner?!! He was the marriage partner and father!!!!!!
I believe Ruby truly does not understand the harm she caused her children, they will forever have etched in their minds their mothers treatment of them! She will one day be free again but will they? Hopefully they have an adult in their lives now that will care for them unconditionally.
Ruby seemed like she was spouting out the same garbage she wanted her ‘chicks’ to spout when they got in trouble. I don’t for one second think she’s had any epiphanies other than ‘oh crap, everyone knows what a monster I truly am’.
Well said. What do you think of her parents and brother's letters to the judge and parole board? Do you think they are trying to protect their good name by blaming Jodi as the sole cause for Ruby's spiraling down? They didn't seem as concerned about the children (nor did her siblings on their own channels/business). Blame shift, deny, excuse, deflect? What kind of a family seems to discount the real issue of what happened to the children?
OMG being handcuffed gave her freedom. Sounds like that was the motivation behind letting her evil friend “shackle” her children. What a piece of work!
This is all about the kids and their suffering , you can’t put a number on it , I never listened to this case other than headlines ( but I’m addicted to the Adelson case ) the crimes she’s committed are deserving of more than three years imo.. these were violent crimes and these precious children will be healing forever . This was atrocious .
Ruby and Jodi's sentences should be sufficiently long enough so the youngest child attains legal age (preferably the age of 21). These women are dangerous. If either or both are allowed to be around those children before they become adults, they WILL retaliate against those children.
Well said Dr. Grande. Some people need a lot of attention and will do whatever is required to keep that attention. And some people cultivate others in order to feel good about themselves.
I thought that something was missing when I listened to her statement…..a simple equation. She commented that awful crime ➡️ going to prison. But she created a picture of herself understanding the situation she is in now by appreciating and apologizing to the people involved in her case. There is no cleansing like she said in her statement because….her children have to live with their memories for the rest of their lives. It still shows her narcissistic tendencies.
I have noticed a distinct absence of any attribution of these behaviors to her religious affiliation. And yes, Mormonism is a component in acceptance of cult like ideas and thought processes.
Yeah, i noticed that too. I think it's because ppl don't want to come off like they're discriminating against her religion (tho iirc, Mormonism is technically a cult of Christianity, since the beliefs diverge wildly after a certain point). But some religions deserve to be discriminated against imo 😒 To be clear, the regular ppl involved do NOT deserve discrimination or abuse! But the power structure itself should be held accountable for every move it makes, esp since there's a LOT of money involved. These Mormon church leaders have so much sway over their subordinates' lives, as well as their finances, actions, and emotions thru things like tithes, missionary work, "support groups" etc. The Mormon church is incredibly wealthy and influential, and not just in the US, but here, they have the advantage of tax exemption status thanks to US law! That makes it easier for them to rake it in, bc ppl are always willing to shell out in return for being told that they're good, they'll be reunited with their family in the afterlife, stuff like that. I don't blame ppl for wanting those things! But if someone is charging you to let you hear it? That person ain't trustworthy. Don't give em your money. You don't need to pay for good morals, and gods don't have any use for cash. 😒
It’s comforting atleast to know that inmates in prison don’t take kindly at all to fellow child abusers. Infact, from what I’ve been told by former inmates and those who have worked in prisons, female inmates are far more ruthless than men especially when it comes to crimes against children as many inmates while incarcerated for other crimes still very well have their natural disgust to crimes against children and those incarcerated who are mothers desperately miss their children while they are doing their time. It’s nice to know that if Ruby is around other inmates they’ll target her, take her food, constantly bully, harass and pick on her and the alternative is protective custody where she’ll have her own cold isolated cell 23 hours a day with one hour still technically isolated but put into a larger cage. Her time in prison without a doubt which well, prison is already terrible to begin with will be far worse and is by far more difficult for those who offend against children. I very well hope she feels even worse punishment although I don’t think there is far worse than what she- the own mother did against her poor children every single day in her time incarcerated and I hope due to the disgust and massive media attention this case has taken she and Jodi have the maximum sentence for their crimes, inevitably living the rest of their lives in a cold, dark isolated cell socially ostracized even by the inmates around them and some correctional officers definitely take out their disgust on child offenders as well so I hope they have no reservations making Ruby’s life a living nightmare as well, some even serve “air trays” which is when a correctional officer gives an inmate a tray of food with nothing on it just as Ruby punished her children with lack of dinner and school lunch for millions to see online.
I would not be surprised if her lifelong immersion in the LDS Church way of life didn't have something to do with how she framed her apology. She is definitely a narcissist and an abusive human being. She is now framing her punishment as her chance at spiritual redemption. I doubt that she will ever sufficiently apologize and/or make amends with her children who she terrorized and nearly killed.
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She treated her kids the way a narcissist would and "apologized" the way a narcissist would. I think it's safe to say she is narcissistic.
Yuppers, I totally agree 💯💯💯
If it looks like a duck and if it quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.
@@tarstarkusz Except that the pre-test probability of a narcissism dx is very very high. Anyone who opens an online vlog using their own family too gain online popularity HAS a personality disorder - cluster B - pick any two out of the four.
@@tarstarkuszI hate to break it to ya but personality disorders are not that difficult to see when the person plasters their toxic behavior all over TH-cam and the news for years and years, especially if that PD is narcissism and the person calling it has first hand experience with it. It’s not like we are diagnosing her with bipolar 🙄. If that lady isn’t a narc then I’m not a human being. If you can’t also see that then that only speaks to your lack of understanding regarding NPD. She’s not only a narc but she’s a sadist. She enjoys seeing others in pain. This isn’t rocket science.
@@tarstarkusz , OMG. Dr. Grande isn't an armchair psychologist. He's a real one. The rest of us who are opining in comments are the armchair psychologists.
Smells like bullshit to me. 30 years wouldn’t even reform her.
I don't believe there is reforming - It would be like trying to reform psychopath.
Total 💩!
I agree
I dunno. 30 years may be enough to reform but I don't think she deserves to find out.
She be way past the age to procreate though.
She thanked and apologized to everyone except her victims. It's a shame both of them won't spend long in prison.
She’ll serve 9 years. That’s when her youngest child turns 18.
@@misslannie73Where did that information come from?
@@misslannie73 Her conviction was 1 to 60 years, but in Utah the maximum someone who *isn't* sentenced to life or capital murd3r is 30yrs, but if she dosen't break any laws whilst incarcerated, could be out in as little as four years, which is decided by the parole board, and as the prisons are over populated and under staffed, I'd guess the lesser of the two which could be soon with time served.
@@misslannie73 10 years minimum is my hope...Those kids need to be adults upon her release.
@@lispyDribblerit’s Utah, not Southern California. She will probably serve at least 15 years. The parole board determines if a person is truly sorry, and if they are no longer a threat to society. except society wasn’t at risk, it was her own biological children. very unlikely she will get 9 years legal sage 🙄😒
The fact that this woman never had a job but expected her children to do all these household chores shows how unaware she is. She's unaware about her awfulness.
YES YES AND YES AGAIN
Ruby was this way long before she met Jodi as per what was shown on her old 8 passengers channel. She is a malignant narcissist to her core.
Yep, you need to be a certain type of person to even attract a person like Jodi into your life
Amen
I also genuinely think she very well may be a psychopath. She enjoyed torturing and starving her children.
THIS.
Big facts
I like how she thanked cops, detectives, prosecutors and the judge like it was the academy awards. I’m so glad to get to my forever home judge!
😂😂 Good One !!! 👍 👏👏
Ya ridiculous
Both need 60 yrs..the kids get to live with the nightmares. Where was the clergy..mandatory reporters!
@@lwood8491Utah law caps at 30 under their sentencing ):
😂😂😂 great comment
Where is the damn father!!??? He didn't notice his children were starving to death??
Good question...!!
He pretending he wasn't there. The big question is how did he know what was missing when he tried to have his daughter arrested. He knew Rubie had not got rid of the items or devices.
In my state, if the spouse does not intervene and protect the children, they are guilty, too.
Right???!!!!!!
As has been shared numerous times on numerous threads, it is Jody’s MO to separate husbands and wives from each other, convincing everyone with the husband is evil and danger to the children and wife. He dutifully stayed away for 13 months while receiving “therapy” from Jodi.
He had no idea his children were in Jodi’s house either since he was not allowed any contact with even his wife
Instead of thanking law enforcement and medical professionals how about an apology to her children she tortured and abused since the day they were born.
This, this right here. If she truly was remorseful she would have apologized to the children for all the abuse she inflicted on them. I think Jodi and her are sadistic both were power tripping over these children. They felt in complete control dominating over them.
Agree absolutely
She did address her children in her statement. It was kind of hard to hear since she was supposedly crying during that time but she did express remorse over how she treated them.
Because she isn’t sorry. She just wants to sound remorseful to achieve a lighter sentence.
*Ruby:* "Good grief! That'd be a *terrible* academy awards acceptance speech... wait... this isn't the academy awards? I haven't won an award?"
Why didn't she thank her child for escaping? She thanked the entire legal and law enforcement community, but she wouldn't be there if not for her child's brave and heroic escape.
Exactly, and also the man who sheltered him, and called for help and his wife who gave him food and water.
Why didn't she thank her oldest daughter also for bringing her behavior to light
Good point. Plus apologize to her children!
Very good point!
She didn't even look at them in the courtroom.
she forgot to thank Walmart for the Duct Tape she bought !
the best comment ever😂
This is such a horrific case. If her son hadn't escaped they surely would have died.
Drowning him, kicking him with boots not to mention the deprivation of EVERYTHING. Just horrific.
He was apparently "days" away from death...
@@metalgearsausage That doesn't surprise me. It's easier to list what torture they *didn't* inflict on these poor kids. It turns my stomach every time I hear the details.
I agree, and I think the prosecution does as well
It's a horrific case of long-term abuse and it makes one wonder if Ruby Franke has SPD or sadistic personality disorder* as well as whatever else may be going on with her, psychologically.
* SPD was last in the DSM 3 and was removed by the APA due to concerns that it would be used as an excuse by perpetrators of abuse in legal cases yet many clinicians still do use it diagnostically.
Yeah, and honestly i wished it had gone to trial, because i think part of her church was to blame, and also her husband because abuse was happening with other siblings long before the youngest two. And having a sibling say they were shyte scared of making any mistakes is horrific all on its own. Imagine living for years in fear.
The prosecutor stating how the children believed they deserved that treatment made me beside myself with rage
Agreed, that's particularly heart-breaking. If those kids don't get the help they need, they're going to end up with spouses (or friends, or employers, etc.) who abuse them and they'll always blame themselves for the abuse.
That’s how a narcissist is able to abuse their family and keep them from leaving. It’s called “trauma-bonding”. It’s all done through serious gaslighting and mixing abuse with “love”.
hahahaha let the rage flow
Were the abusers abused the same way? And that's how they think that kids deserve it?
@@dio69666 Ruby's parents were very strict, from what I understand. And she was parentified and raised her younger siblings. Parentified children can become strict perfectionists.
She forgot to thank The Academy.
And her fashion team for the Spring Summer grey and white ensemble.
Prison is horrible? Food, shelter, medical, education and entertainment? Horrible would be to subject her to the treatment she inflicted on her children!!!
If she gets anything less than 15 yrs. it would be a total disgrace!! Those children suffered immensely and should never be around her again!!
“Restitution” should include millions needed for lifetime counseling the children will need and so deserve. Even if she gets out early on parole, there should be no contact between this birth mother in name only, and her “chicks,” for a very very long time if ever.
I agree
I have a feeling they're gonna go easy on her and go with something close to the minimum. I'd be surprised if she got more than 10 years and it'll probably be closer to 8.
I agree. She should be in prison at least until her youngest child is an adult and on their own.
Their father is just as bad. He shouldn’t gain custody of the minor children😠
"I'm thankful for you handcuffing and punishing me" sounds too much like her telling their children she's handcuffing and torturing them for her own good...
Said the same myself!
YES!!!!
The father should be charged with child endangerment and neglect 😡
I agree. I'm not buying his sudden want for divorce. He's trying to grab more money. But any money needs to be set aside for adulthood. Kevin already owes his children millions for unpaid labor alone! He needs to be locked up. But people are falling for his and ruby's act.
The things they charged her with, he didn't live there at the time. I mean, I think he was neglectful even when they lived together, but that's not what the charges were about.
Her message was directly aimed at the parole board and rehabilitating her image for a comeback. Diabolically manipulative. She’s always been about appearances and this was the performance of a lifetime
Faker in -- faker out.
….and the long prison sentence goes to😒
She didn’t even apologize to the children she abused . The officers that stopped her ? How about the man whose house her son approached. Witch
Nope she's a Christian
Exactly!
No apologies to her son R and daughter E for smearing their names in her first statement when she was arrested. Desperate and self serving speech she gave. What a narcissist.
Ruby’s “my preference” line during what seemed like an award acceptance confirmed Everything that I had come to believe about her….smug, entitled, pretend pious, victim…etc. I found her to be even more nauseating than some convicted murderers I’ve seen come before judges. Everything about this contrived maniac came out loud and clear when she read her manifesto to the judge. Thank you, as always, for commenting on this so perfectly.
Seriously
@coldisle Bravo. Exactly what I thought. 👍
Exactly this. Shes such a narc, still trying to control the situation whilst protesting she's the victim in all of this! lol nice try, I hope the judge sees right through it and gives her minimum 15 years.
Amazing how some people felt for that performance.
Just speaks to her inherent privilege that she has used to get what she wants her entire life.
She should at least be held until the youngest is grown and not allowed to contact any of her children.
I agree that should be the minimum sentence for her.
…or her grandchildren😟
The fact that this woman never had a job but expected her children to do all these household chores is amazing.
I'm sure you meant to say 'torturous senseless labor."
I do not believe Ruby Franke. I agree with Dr. Grande in that her speech was a performance for an imagined and interested audience. She was acting as she assumed the public would be expecting. Nature can be cruel and brutal, but I have yet to see a "Mama Duck" purposely try to drown and torture her ducklings.
😊
Great point
Word!
The word for Ruby's performance is obsequious--in all capital letters. And what a cringe-worthy performance it was.
I'll try... "Moma Cat" and the ducklings she hauled inside where her favourite cat friend lived. Cats look after kittens so there's not really an appropriate animal analogy that works without different species. She's sub-human.
How is the husband not also culpable? Did she starve, beat and imprison her children unbeknownst him? He's also responsible. He failed those kids too.
I looked that up because I wondered the same thing. Wikipedia says they had been separated for a year and he was living elsewhere while all of this was going on. He said he didn’t know about it and filed for divorce once he learned what had been happening. Did this man not talk to his kids for a year??
@@oneminuteofmydayyup his lawyer said he blocked his children’s phone numbers so they couldn’t contact him. He should be charged with child neglect or abandonment.
I am wondering why he is not being held responsible for anything of the abuse.
Ruby sent him away for 13 months saying don't call me unless I tell you to.😮
@@bmac375 Well, father of the year, isn’t he just?
parents who torture their children routinely receive much lighter sentences than if they had tortured adult strangers
@Jack-px8lfexactly 😔
Her statement made me sick to my stomach literally
Me too. I couldn’t listen to her whole speech. Revolting!
Me too😖
Ya, another channel pat her on the back for her "narcissistic show of humility"🤮
It really was sickening.
I had a very hard time listening to her bs. I hope she gets lots of letters of folks telling her that they didn't buy her narcissistic performance
Where was the husband in all this? He should be charged as well.
She said she wanted to save her children. I think they needed saving from her.
“she don't wanna be saved, don't save her”
- No Role Modelz
@@LBdreaminyeah, those children did not have a role model. Ruby truly is no role model
Great preference and taste in music btw unlike Ruby's preferences
Oh you think that? Is that what you think, Sherlock?
As my mother would often say... "She talks just to hear herself talk"
Ruby played the victim and blamed everyone else but herself for everything, a narcissist never takes accountability for anything…. I hope she enjoys her jail cell ….
She thanked the police For Saving HER 🙄🤦🏻♀️
Reminds me of the Monty Python skit where the convicted mass murderer got a suspended sentence by accepting responsibility and gushingly thanking everyone in the court.
OMG! That’s the truth. Lol
Ten bonus points to you, sir!
Ruby knew to kiss up to the people who had power over her. I can’t help but think that this is how she expected her children to act. Prosecutors, judges, & cops aren’t going to punish her in the way she needs to be punished. She’s got them wrapped around her finger.
Yes, that speech was for the court.
Then her fellow inmates need to be the ones who punish her.
"Prison preference" is seemingly to criminal justice what "you can't fire me, I quit" is to work.
Her apology is fake….like herself. I wish they would keep Ruby in prison for the rest of her life. She’s a danger to society. Her poor kids.
I really like you, Dr. G. She made that all about herself in typical narcissistic fashion.
Her statement looked like a Oscar acceptance. Ridiculous.
Thinking about her 12yo son escaping out of a window looking for food and water is heartbreaking.
She still seems like she'sj delusional about everything. I don't know how she ever thought she knew how to treat children. It was like a concentration camp. Covering someone's mouth so they can't breathe seems like attempted murder to me.
My mother is highly narcissistic and tried to commit suicide two times within a month. I was the only one home when the first overdose occurred. At her doctors appointment following the overdose attempts, she incessantly apologized to her doctor, for what happened, to the point where he grew irritated, looked at her and said, “stop apologizing to me. The ones you need to be apologizing to are your children!”
The look on his face said it all. He knows she’s a narcissist, but it threw him for a loop, seeing that she cared more about how she came across him and his feelings about the incident, more than her own children. Which is always been the case in my life… She’s always cared about others more than she has her own children. I was glad he stepped up to the plate, and said something on my behalf , to her. It was disgusting. They totally discount their own children, no matter what! Ruby and her speech, reminded me so much of my mother.
Sounds like my mother. She considered us kids an extensin of herself.
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Did she have any kind of revalation after he saud that? I'm curious if they can have at least some self awareness when confronted. Sorry you had to go through that.
@@kateryna-ostapenko she started apologizing to me….in front of him, saying, “I AM sorry for my children,” and told him that she already had apologized to us, especially me since I was there and had to witness it and call 911. But that was a lie. She never would let me talk about it either, explaining how traumatic it was to deal with that. It ignited her shame apparently. Then….doing it again just weeks later when I had gone out of town, because she was embarrassed to be back in the mental health facility after promising them there that she wouldn’t do it again, she had to blame someone else, which was me. She lives in pain….elderly and several medical issues, so the first time was to get herself out of pain she said. But she needed a different reason (in her mind), as to why she did it again. That crushed me hearing that from her counselor in there. I know she’s got mental issues and was a mommy dearest while growing up, but to have your own mother blame you for trying to take her own life….was a solid blow to my gut! 🫤
Found her blameful rather than full of remorse and accepting of responsibility.
Your observation that she was trying to take back control with her statement was very insightful. I think a lot of people had a negative reaction to it because at some point in their life they've heard speeches like this from a person who never changed their behavior. Ruby was abusive long before she met Jodi, and had her son not bravely escaped she may have got away with it for a long time. She's used to her deception being effective.
I tried to find out what this woman did for a living besides being a mom & I couldn’t find anything. If it wasn’t for her husband or parents, she’d be on welfare. She reminds me of the mom from Carrie & Kathy Bates from Misery. She was so insecure that she used her kids as a replacement for the world; the world she couldn’t control. Her kids, she could.
She made good money on their TH-cam channel. She’s good for millions.
@@pezlover1974 She joined TH-cam in 2015. What was she doing before then?
What a terrifying mama duck
Those poor children 😢
I couldn’t even get through her entire speech I was getting so angry and nauseous what a joke this woman is and should never be out of jail!
Dangerous woman who knows how to hide her dark side.Thank you Dr.Grande🙂👍
I'm glad you saw right through her pretty little speech. She's only sorry she got caught not sorry what she did to her own flesh and blood
List of things she did to kids needs put where other inmates can read
I think Ruby needs to serve at least ten years. That way her youngest kid can grow up to adulthood and not in fear of her getting visitation at some point.
Chick's are baby chickens. Ducklings are baby ducks.
Thankyou. 😅
And neither ducks nor chickens will torture their own progeny.
Actually, neither are "baby" anything! 😅🤣😂
What are baby turkeys called?
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You're totally right on this one, Dr. Grande. I also don't believe that pathetic excuse for an apology. It felt more like acting out a scene on a stage. Besides, who cares if she's sorry at this point? The damage she inflicted on her children will have lifelong implications. Who will erase that damage from those poor children? Certainly no pseudo-apologist for a mother! I hope she serves the full term of 30 years. No less than that would be enough reparation for the pain she's caused.
Dr. Grande is a mix of psychoanalysis,dry dad humor and asmr! Can one ask for more? I think not!
Thank you again Dr. Grande 🙏
This woman is living proof that you cannot judge a book by it's cover in any direction
"You can't fire me, because I quit".
You said exactly what I thought. She said the
"right words" to make people believe she was changing. I was once in rehab and told them I felt freer locked up in rehab than I felt outside. It was a lie,but they liked it. Thats what Ruby did. I love your channel. I'm 81 years old. It was tatical, just like you said.😊
False, insincere, and superficial apologies by dark tetrad personalities who get caught up in cult-like behavior and are ultimately convicted of their despicable crimes by a jury of their peers bore me. After desensitization has begun to set in, disinterest follows.
It's disgusting that she could serve only a few years.
The saddest part about this is the kids probably didn't even deserve any punishment. I don't even think they did anything wrong to be punished for, let alone the fact that the punishment is psychotic 😢 I just hope she gets her just reward in prison and they get to see what it's like to be abused!
I watched some of the stuff and one of the punishments was for a silly harmless prank like a boy told his brother it was time to go to school when it wasn't. Another time she was monitoring their use of electronics when she wasn't home, and saw the 12 year old had played games on the iPad outside of allowed hours. It seemed like in the beginning she was doing a good job with guiding the kids and it got worse around the time she allied herself with that therapist woman. I blame the Mormon church for making their followers more susceptible to bizarre beliefs, it explains why she was so easily influenced.
I'll never forget the sock 'incident' , that poor sweet boy had no idea what he was in trouble for.
I think you're right. Sadly, they never could produce any concrete reason the took Christmas away from the two youngest children or why they sent Chad to the wilderness camp, just aclot of vague gobbledygook. With these children I think she/they provoked reactions from them so they would have screason to punish them. What a couple sickos!
All these comments Ruby made are an attempt to manipulate the judge ! In my opinion, she’s full of shit ! Only someone with a depraved mind can do that to a child and I don’t think she’s fixable. They should throw away the key.
That was her ultimate“Sacrament Talk”. The whole thing was to socially (religiously) rehabilitate her self, imo.
These two deserve the same sentence they gave their victims… LiFe!!! Those kids will be traumatized for the rest of their lives…they aren’t sorry for what they did and only sorry they were caught. Ruby was abusing her children long before she met Jodi.
No, did not believe one word. It was all for the patrol board.
So what about the dad who let all this happen???!!! is he not just as complicit as the business partner?!! He was the marriage partner and father!!!!!!
Two nutcase women who found each other. Too bad they received such short sentences.
Her sentencing should include watching ‘Mommy Dearest’ 1000 times
No make her watch "The Room" 1000 times!!!
@@kwas101 o hi kwas
Hello Dr Grande from Winterpeg, Manitoba, Canada 🇨🇦. Lock them both up and throw away the keys!!
Outside near Portage and Main.
Canada? Well that is *interesting*
I believe Ruby truly does not understand the harm she caused her children, they will forever have etched in their minds their mothers treatment of them! She will one day be free again but will they? Hopefully they have an adult in their lives now that will care for them unconditionally.
Just an incredible analysis of this woman. Some people can't be fooled any of the time.
Excellent analysis and utterly on point with this person's deep personality traits. Thank you.
Ruby seemed like she was spouting out the same garbage she wanted her ‘chicks’ to spout when they got in trouble. I don’t for one second think she’s had any epiphanies other than ‘oh crap, everyone knows what a monster I truly am’.
This is the best insight into this case I have heard. Thanks Doc!
We appreciate how well you articulate your insights, Dr Grande. You'll always have our support.
Thank you for explaining the sentencing guidelines so clearly. Even lawyers on TH-cam haven’t explained it that clearly.
Well said. What do you think of her parents and brother's letters to the judge and parole board? Do you think they are trying to protect their good name by blaming Jodi as the sole cause for Ruby's spiraling down? They didn't seem as concerned about the children (nor did her siblings on their own channels/business). Blame shift, deny, excuse, deflect? What kind of a family seems to discount the real issue of what happened to the children?
100% agree with you dr. G. What a calculated and poor little me act! I hope she gets the max and the parole board is not fooled by her nonsense.
OMG being handcuffed gave her freedom. Sounds like that was the motivation behind letting her evil friend “shackle” her children. What a piece of work!
She should get an increased prison sentence after that atrocious performance… lol.
This is the most enlightening analysis of her statement I’ve heard- she’s is Terrible to her core and the whole world is a stage to her.
Thank you for covering this Dr.Grande!! It makes me feel helpless for her poor kids!! In my opinion she shouldn’t get them back!!
This is all about the kids and their suffering , you can’t put a number on it , I never listened to this case other than headlines ( but I’m addicted to the Adelson case ) the crimes she’s committed are deserving of more than three years imo.. these were violent crimes and these precious children will be healing forever . This was atrocious .
She made it allllll about her...sad.
She should at least remain in prison until her children are legal adults and can stay clear of her manipulative grasp.
I hope she gets a longer sentence so the kids can grow up a little and feel safe.
Narcissists are ALWAYS remorseful they got caught, never for the harms they've caused.
I hope someone plays this for the parole board... They also need to listen the Jodi's niece Jesse Hildebrandt.
Ruby and Jodi's sentences should be sufficiently long enough so the youngest child attains legal age (preferably the age of 21).
These women are dangerous.
If either or both are allowed to be around those children before they become adults, they WILL retaliate against those children.
Well said Dr. Grande. Some people need a lot of attention and will do whatever is required to keep that attention. And some people cultivate others in order to feel good about themselves.
I agree with all your points. She had little remorse, was very off. Great points again. Thanks Dr G😊🤍💛
Excellent as always
You gave a perfect picture of Ruby and her court case and sentencing. Thank you Dr. Grande
Please do one on Jodi. I would love to hear it. You are very straight forward… Love you Analysis on criminal behavior!
My favorite TH-camr!!❤
She won't be treated very well in prison...
I thought that something was missing when I listened to her statement…..a simple equation.
She commented that awful crime ➡️ going to prison. But she created a picture of herself understanding the situation she is in now by appreciating and apologizing to the people involved in her case. There is no cleansing like she said in her statement because….her children have to live with their memories for the rest of their lives.
It still shows her narcissistic tendencies.
Love u Dr. grande thanks for a new vid Dr. grande 😁
Thanks!
I have noticed a distinct absence of any attribution of these behaviors to her religious affiliation. And yes, Mormonism is a component in acceptance of cult like ideas and thought processes.
Yeah, i noticed that too. I think it's because ppl don't want to come off like they're discriminating against her religion (tho iirc, Mormonism is technically a cult of Christianity, since the beliefs diverge wildly after a certain point). But some religions deserve to be discriminated against imo 😒
To be clear, the regular ppl involved do NOT deserve discrimination or abuse! But the power structure itself should be held accountable for every move it makes, esp since there's a LOT of money involved. These Mormon church leaders have so much sway over their subordinates' lives, as well as their finances, actions, and emotions thru things like tithes, missionary work, "support groups" etc. The Mormon church is incredibly wealthy and influential, and not just in the US, but here, they have the advantage of tax exemption status thanks to US law! That makes it easier for them to rake it in, bc ppl are always willing to shell out in return for being told that they're good, they'll be reunited with their family in the afterlife, stuff like that.
I don't blame ppl for wanting those things! But if someone is charging you to let you hear it? That person ain't trustworthy. Don't give em your money. You don't need to pay for good morals, and gods don't have any use for cash. 😒
It’s comforting atleast to know that inmates in prison don’t take kindly at all to fellow child abusers. Infact, from what I’ve been told by former inmates and those who have worked in prisons, female inmates are far more ruthless than men especially when it comes to crimes against children as many inmates while incarcerated for other crimes still very well have their natural disgust to crimes against children and those incarcerated who are mothers desperately miss their children while they are doing their time. It’s nice to know that if Ruby is around other inmates they’ll target her, take her food, constantly bully, harass and pick on her and the alternative is protective custody where she’ll have her own cold isolated cell 23 hours a day with one hour still technically isolated but put into a larger cage. Her time in prison without a doubt which well, prison is already terrible to begin with will be far worse and is by far more difficult for those who offend against children.
I very well hope she feels even worse punishment although I don’t think there is far worse than what she- the own mother did against her poor children every single day in her time incarcerated and I hope due to the disgust and massive media attention this case has taken she and Jodi have the maximum sentence for their crimes, inevitably living the rest of their lives in a cold, dark isolated cell socially ostracized even by the inmates around them and some correctional officers definitely take out their disgust on child offenders as well so I hope they have no reservations making Ruby’s life a living nightmare as well, some even serve “air trays” which is when a correctional officer gives an inmate a tray of food with nothing on it just as Ruby punished her children with lack of dinner and school lunch for millions to see online.
I would not be surprised if her lifelong immersion in the LDS Church way of life didn't have something to do with how she framed her apology. She is definitely a narcissist and an abusive human being. She is now framing her punishment as her chance at spiritual redemption. I doubt that she will ever sufficiently apologize and/or make amends with her children who she terrorized and nearly killed.
This channel balances me out as a creative. Thanks doc.
i've yet to meet anyone with more than 3 children who isn't batshit crazy.
Is it cause & effect?