There are more issued that need to be addressed about these changes I will discuss in the next blog video. The gold per hour from this minigame is completely ruined right now, there's no need to do the content past wave 8 once you have the boots and I honestly can't get passed how the new boots are not being buffed in mage or melee in any way over the Cerberus boots other than "not needing to carry multiple boots" which isn't even the problem with the boots in the first place. Basically, only shadow players will benefit from these new boots which just makes no sense to me. Anyways, enjoy, Like and Subscribe ty :)
One of the biggest issues I don't see being discussed is the fact that the new boots rely on the ranger boots. So once they make those boots worth upgrading to, there simply won't be enough ranger boots to create the new boots causing them to become hella expensive.
New boots are hella good man. You just have ironman brain if you're in max you're almost always bringing eternals and prims and if pegs had +1 range you'd have all 3 at most content.
@@SaniOsrs No offense to Condor or his primary audience, but you are talking about a bunch of med level irons and mains who wear dragon boots or mole slippers to every piece of content. They won't understand the benefit the boots are providing as they are not the target audience
@@marcus3533 Ya I mean torva is barely an upgrade from Bandos but it's 1b for the set. That's just endgame upgrades in general you get diminishing returns
People don't lug the boots around because it's not worth the inventory slot for the switch. But you'll now just get the small upgrade/benefit by default from wearing these boots for all pvm content that requires 2 or 3 combat styles. I don't think it's as shit as you are making it out to be.
My issue with it is that you have to get so many upgrades just to avoid a boot switch. These feel very lack luster for the difficulty to obtain the item + the insane level of items needed to make the upgrade. Ill stick with aranea boots because I cba to go through the effort just to have such a slight upgrade you need a microscope to see the increased dps you get from them. Also, I agree that 150k pair of D boots over these 100-200m pair of hybrid boots isnt even a question for the vast majority of players who arent sitting on max cash/ironmen.
@barfnugz i mean, if the question is the other boots, play a normal account and do content you enjoy, I'm literally 1B bank by farm runs and the ocasional slayer drop, so you can get there, eventually
Exactly. How the fuck are people too retarded to not realize the benefits associated with having a 3 in 1 boots with no negatives. Especially in places like TOA for the fang where Eternals remove that max hit prims would have given.
@@AlotOfNothing-vp8en it's not a democracy in osrs, that wouldn't work. Polls need a super majority to pass - you need an overwhelming landslide vote to pass content which is how it SHOULD be.
Yes. Entire update is dogshit. They need some serious help with player feedback. They are not listening to the people that this update would have effected
Jagex last week: This is intended for those going for inferno/who have their infernal cape This Week: Oh well it's not like Inferno level of content Jagex. Make up your fucking mind. This clearly shows dicussion is NOT happening in the office as it should.
Inferno level as in challenge, not the type of content. They should've just said it's PNM level content or DT2 awakened or something, it was a bad comparison
They said it is INFERNO LEVEL, not inferno-like content. They have been very consistent abt that. Yes, they could have chose better words--even so, it is pretty fucking clear what they meant imo. Never once thought the content or magic cape was gonna be a new inferno/colosseum piece of content.
It's a bit odd to say it's clear what they meant when so many people misunderstood. If there is one thing that's actually clear, it's that they messed up communicating their intentions and thought process for the different rewards in the first blog.
a quest that requires you to complete perilous moons, which requires decent mid/high level stats and barrows to comfortably do, to unlock a dungeon that requires high slayer to access, to unlock the antler guard which is dogshit. as someone who has had a dragon defender since level 20 slayer.
They should boost that max minimum hit of the the eldritch veil to 3. Another unique passive would be to decrease the enemies magic attack/defense by 1% per successful hit. And it could cap at like 10% reduction.
Its so stupid that they stood their ground on the boots, but, not the thralls, or the cape being tradeable and now they made it inferno 3 which they never intended it to be, despite stating their intent and the reasoning why, which was solid.
How is the games “first” enrage boss loosing it’s an entire enrage concept before it has even made it into the game? How tf is coliseum more of an enrage encounter than the boss you said is going to be an enrage encounter? Jagex have been fumbling varlamore badly.
All the rewards were underwhelming last week. They really need an entirely new item as a reward. How does brain off, sip brew nex add 5 BIS items to the game? When difficult end game content has 3 niche/tiny upgrades...
Antler guard is definitely content for pures disguised as a progression item. I'm shocked it doesn't have a passover that gives access to chivalry without the quest.
I think the antler guard is really designed for people that want to AFK Melee slayer, which it seems to be an adequate item for. Trading some melee stats for more AFK time to before needing to hit a prayer pot. It also fills a niche of having an actually meaningful low-ish level ranged off-hand for irons that isn't tied to clue scroll RNG. It's niche, but I don't really see the hate people give it.
I mean the Bandos God Book provides the same level of prayer, is cheap and easy af to get, and provides +2 str bonus. not +5, sure... But doesnt really seem like much of a gap that needed filling on the prayer aspect.
@@barfnugz Getting god books on an ironman is a massive RNG fest. You'd easily require several hundred clues before completing one, and it'll likely not be one you actually want, which isn't something a low-ish level ironman would reasonably do.
Jagex is listening to the 1350-1500 avg total andies that fled their dogwater gacha hell mmos and now, with no poll restrictions, they and the brilliant minds behind forestry are guiding our trajectory. We need total level, Jagex acc only, total play time, quest point, etc, restrictions. They’re mangling osrs, IMO. And Jagex loves it cuz content glut is easier to add to than bothering with their “to do” list lmfao. They should go to a kids park to play in the sandbox rather than turning our game into their sandbox playground. So rotten.
Yeah no... I think theyre listening to the Gnomemonkeys and the high level community on this one... What retards were complaining that the slayer caves were too low level and needed to be raised? Only high level pvmers would want the content to be at a higher level restriction.
You know how and why Ava's devices work -zombie chicken + undead tree + magnet. But no one can say why these or those boots, capes, etc... work. Can we have some lore with any of this shit? Gear is basically all this game amounts to yet the creativity is null.
They need to make it 2000 total to vote on polls. And actually use the polls instead of listening to Reddit feedback from the same people who still haven’t got a fire cape.
They should just make the Antler Guard better than the dragon defender. It would be a nice stop gap between the dragon defender you get like day 3 or 4 of an account and the avernic you aren't touching until a year or more into one typically. Give it flat 25 melee accuracy bonus, 10 accuracy for both range and mage, matching defense bonuses [or +0 to all defenses if they're married to it needing to be mid], +6 Strength, +5 Prayer, +5 Ranged Strength, and +2% Magic Strength. They want it to be a tribrid prayer-based off-hand and I think all that keeps that intact without busting it. The bonuses to Prayer, Magic strength, and ranged strength as well as positive ranged/magic accuracy and defense bonuses would make it better than the early game untradeables accounts are typically using [god books, dragon defender], but it would still be comfortably worse than the dedicated endgame off-hands [Avernic, Buckler, Ward] while being close enough it's still viable for end game content to reduce switches if you're okay hitting slightly worse. Make the antler guard drop from only the Elder version of the slayer creature while the lower level slayer creatures drop antlers that can be crafted with a yew shield to create the antler guard.
They tried to do this and the issue is the difference between ddef and avernic is basically 0 so there's nowhere to put a new defender without devaluating the crap out of avernic
The cape should remain tradable if this meant to be like high level vorkath (a novel idea) and not meant to be our mage inferno. the boot upgrade is fine imo but it does make for rather insane upgrade path but they are great boots on their face. With binning everything and making the cape unreadable I don’t really see how this is ever gonna be the high level vorkath. It’s gonna just be you doing this content until wave 8 get the boot upgrade for the log. Maybe the weapon and cape along the way and then no one is gonna touch it. I think they should maybe rework a lot of this shit.
The boot upgrade isnt a guaranteed drop at wave 8. Could still be very rare and hard to get. The now untradable cape upgrade is the guaranteed drop at wave 8.
The boots are fine the way they are IMO. You're getting all the stats of 3 boots without the negatives associated with them into 1 pair of boots, and we'll now get a max hit with the fang in places like TOA since people with a shadow take the Eternals in anyway. It's nowhere near as shit as it's being made out to be. The convenience of a 3 in 1 alone is worth it let alone avoiding the negatives associated with each pair.
You forgot to add that they said they didn't want it to seem like "mage inferno" then made the cape a guaranteed drop on delve 8....... literally mage inferno lol
I'm here killing phantom muspah way behind everyone else and enjoying myself. Remember to just have fun guys, who really cares about the convoluted invent set-ups that people carry on about - it doesn't matter, once you get a bosses rotations down they become like cheese and you can wipe the floor with them with pretty mid tier gear tbh - efficiency side of things I understand but it doesn't matter - your runescape prestige only matters to you and no-one else lmao.
i was looking at the stats of the other defenders and the Antler is on par with the Adamant Defender when it comes to offensive melee stats. Still would use the God Books.
Imagine taking away the AOE melee attack because “there’s not a lot of places it can be used” that means make it good where it works? Make it work against large monsters. 90% Jagex is just using ChatGPT to read shit and write update responses.
It would appear I have changed my opinion and have to agree with you that the threads should be buffed. Their response shows this was supposed to be the premium reward of the boss and that should be reflected. However, this buff should be rather slight. Buffing all 3 styles at once by any margin is just BEGGING for power creep. It's a delicate balance. The big green guy knows a thing about balance, so let's ask him.
The boots are a fail, no one brings 3 boots anywhere, ever. Ditch the tribrid, combine eternal and pegasians and buff both while simultaneously buffing the elidinis ward to stop the shadow from going crazy. Buffing the ward solves a lot of problems, or make the sang actually stronger than the trident. The cape's proposed updates are nice. The spec weapon update is fine. There's no scenario where you actually get the Antler guard BEFORE the dragon defender in this scenario. Doesn't fit as a 'before' Dragon Defender type. The dragon defender is not hard to get nor does it take a lot of time. Will absolutely have defender prior to this piece. Useless. Feel like Jagex is missing on these updates
They want all the content to feel relevant yet theyre going to release sailing? Fuck me I hate the idea of sailing -.- no matter how they do it it's not a skill it's a fucking Minigame.
once sailing is released I'm out. I'm not opposed to a new skill at all, but not sailing, they release it and I will quit, deadset. Plenty of people say they would, but I definitely will.
what do you mean nobody is lugging three pairs of shoes around? -That's because we don't have the inventory space for them. I would like some new sneakers man.
The only reason I wanted the cape to be untradeable is because I assumed it was supposed to be the new bis mage cape. If they were planning on adding a different bis mage cape later on down the line that's better than this one then I don't care if this one is tradable.
Are we forgetting cost as a factor here? Pretty sure BP costs more than a Sunlight hunter cbow, and the guard makes another budget upgrade. They don’t always have to design around everyone having max cash for upgrades.
I see so many comments about the boots being great. I look at it this way... The boots are nothing more than a QoL update for people with max cash that can afford to drop 100-200m on a set of hybrid boots. Id say it doesnt justify the hefty price tag they will have, but then again, neither do prims or ranger boots, and yet theyre expensive...Ill stick with my aranea boots that are very nice hybrid boots and not too expensive =) Now all I have to do is make it to wave 8 for the guaranteed cape and I wont ever touch this boss again. Thank you Jagex.
I mean we are already over 10 years into osrs, and we are worried about power creep on a pair of boots? let the power creep in, the game probably only has another 15 years at best anyway, I wanna enjoy them. I dont wanna grind this shit for +1 range str lol.
I feel the items should be like this, the boots need to add 1 extra % to range mage and melee str, boom there is a nice nice reward.... even the range strength is enough as it is really still nice. As for eldritch veil..... it ahould be tradeable and add the thrall upgrade as its effect, make it needs the demonic mark to upgrade to eldritch veil and use crystals or whatever resource to add charges to use the effect which gives a continuous demand to do the content. The demonbane weapon remains unchanged as ita nice and good where its at. As for another reaward suggestion as this is endgame a fourth nice reward could berelated to ralos and ranul , like blessing of the sun and moon which adds more prayer bonus than radas blessing 4, but also adds a run recharge effect or adds 1 accuracy for melee and magic.... thats my suggestions that i think helps the debacle and makes it a more of a drive to do the content repeatedly so its not dead content
so valamore is just stepping stone for mid level players and doesnt benefit high level end game like this is good for mid players but us high level max players wouldnt mind upgrade too.
The point of the boots is that they're bis hybrid boots. Not to dominate 1 specific combat type. But to make it so that you do make use of all 3 boots, instead of just wearing 1 and banking the rest. (I personally use eternal boots, if not echos or aranea.)
Came here to comment this exact thing. He says no one is lugging around all three boots which is exactly why no buffs to the boots is the way to go due to the fact that it buffs 2 of the 3 cb styles that you’re not already getting with using the 1 pair. It also helps with avoiding too much power creep. Boots overall will be like 70/80m can be used everywhere but prioritized in multi cb areas like torm dem/gor all the way up to inf/raids. I think boots are a great update leaning towards more end mid/late to late game content where damage output is more priority over defense
@@jaredbuffington9968 people talking about power creep seem to not understand what power creep is You guys are all missing the point I made in my video I think with the boots
@@KingCondor You made the point of why should the melee ToB guy get these boots vs just getting d boots. I agree, but it's a good thing that melee ToB player probably does other content than just melee ToB. These boots are going to be convenient to have in content where you need to hybrid or tribrid, but they wont feel like an upgrade at all for content that you 1 style. So I half agree with your point, if you only consider content where you only use 1 style, sure they are not really needed as an upgrade.
Sometimes I feel like Jagex doesn't understand how the progression of their own game works lmao, questing/NMZ prodding yourself to Dragon defender requirements is pretty standard early account shit.
lol and all these hundred hour drop rates grinds that they like to make, I swear none of those mfs are actually playing this game other than 5 minutes of testing
- Give boots a combat passive - Change weapon effect from demon niche to something else, we have enough demon weapons - Make weapon upgradeable via a rare special piece that comes from wave 8+ - Add 2 more uniques to this. 1 ranged one since mage/melee already have some. And then one more untradeable upgrade that *isnt* guaranteed like cape.
unless combined boots are insane stats i dont care for them like nobody is carrying around all 3 boots at one go and its not needed as boot switch isnt really thing on osrs, as only thing which make new boots good is if they increase dps abit for upgrade/combined then people moan about power creep also then.
So I don't really get this. Maybe it's cause I have a shadow but I camp eternal at toa, and being able to also add prim stats to them for melee rooms is just more better. Same with like cox. You just get a little bit of extra dps out of 2 of 3 raids
@ varys how much it adds, like with jagex im not expecting it to add much also im not shadow user as i got sang and for me for i wont see much differance (though i do say more pvm bosses with range or melee mostly myself).
they just need to come out and say they are trying to keep the artistic col loggers engaged in the game all this useless mid tier weaponry is just bloat and useless
Personally I hate content like fight cave, inferno, colosseum. The first completion I get it. But after you have done it a few times it’s so mind numbing boring. Last 10 waves or even just the final fight after you complete would be a god send. Even if each time you completed you skipped one wave so you had to get a lot of kc first. Still that would be aids but significantly better.
ngl i don’t think you understand the value of the boots, you keep saying no one wears the pegs/eternals because they don’t matter…..that’s exactly why they are doing this, this is a way for players to get value out of their pegs/eternals since they are (as you point out) not worth bringing as a switch
This still won't change anything unless you have a shadow, which is the only reason people bring a boot switch now, these boots will not change your characters performance, I understand the value of the boots, they're not good enough
Im saying it needs to be better, all 3 bis boots are already bad because the arenea and dragon boots sit at a very cheap price and do the exact same thing as prims, pegs and eternals UNLESS you are wearing a shadow, and these boots will be no different, I dunno how people are not understanding this, they should be an upgrade, not a QoL update
I'm so pissed they decided to make the mage cape upgrade untradeable. I don't want everything to have to be locked behind some form of wave based mini games or bosses. I play a regular main to buy items when I can if it's needed for my account for the sake of convenience.
@ That’s the thing though. They’ve clarified this is not meant to be an end game mage equivalent to the infernal cape. So despite it not being on the same tier of cape, they still went back on their decision and made it untradeable. If it was the same tier, I’d understand and would agree with you tbh
You're definitely lugging 2 pairs of boots around at a lot of content, plus if pegs had +1 strength people would bring that switch. You use blowpipe in like every raid in the game including inferno. The boots are a very big upgrade as is for max mains (who the content is designed for). The boots will be nice for all roles in tob because you use all styles at nylo boss. I think dropping the veil is fine but you need more than 1 reward from this content for it to be worthwhile.
If it’s not meant to be an eventual bis cape, link it to thralls in some way. Keep the consumable idea and give the cape an extra slot like the quiver, to synergies with thralls but not an overall bis cape. And for balance of this next other top tier cape ffs nerf the Shadow a tad, it’s fucking the entire mage tree.
They also just shit the bed and made osrs mobile unplayable making a .5sec stutter whenever any action is performed including eating, changing gear, changing prayer, changing menus, ANYTHING. Before this ive been unable to tap to walk under other players (I moved the walk here option to the top for bandos, but its broken forever now and is forever the last or first option on clicks) making gotr, wintertodt, Nex mass, Nightmare mass, and honestly anything with players involved is complete trash now on Mobile. Even just forrestry events are screwed. I end up accidentally examining things because the change made that the top option for otherwise regualar objects you wouldnt beable to click on.
Yeah it’s really messy implementation of menu swaps. Until they fix it the best you can do is toggle it on/off for certain activities. I did a full reset to get rid of the follow over walk issue. Now I just swap and then reset for anything major. It’s a pain but better than not having any swaps at all imo. Primarily a desktop player so it doesn’t completely ruin my experience but hoping a fix comes but with the new hd/api features coming they will probably just leave it and let someone else do it (for free) later lol
The point is that the boots were never part of any switches unless using a shadow in cox or toa, and even then it wasn't really that important because the value is so minuscule, we can and should get better regardless
The point is that the boots were never part of any switches unless using a shadow in cox or toa, and even then it wasn't really that important because the value is so minuscule, we can and should get better regardless
@KingCondor well yeah, which is why it's nice to be able to include them in your setup without having to add more power to the game. Though I'm not sure on the power creep balancing numbers, maybe you're right
the boots are well worth using but thats too much inventory slot, there are some goats that do use all three boots its jsut not worth the inventory slot of a peeice of food, three 8 way switches is hell of a headache thats all. msot people cant understand anyways they camp bofa's and shit to get through a kill. dont get me wrong sitting back not noing shit with a bofa,tbow,shadow is all dandy but theres faster and more ways to do things.its jsut people use whats easier and gets them through shit. no harm in that. i hope the boots come out tired of using three pairs of boots. thats more fuckup inventory slots of food i can use, and we all fuck up so an extra peice of food is lovely.
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There are more issued that need to be addressed about these changes I will discuss in the next blog video. The gold per hour from this minigame is completely ruined right now, there's no need to do the content past wave 8 once you have the boots and I honestly can't get passed how the new boots are not being buffed in mage or melee in any way over the Cerberus boots other than "not needing to carry multiple boots" which isn't even the problem with the boots in the first place. Basically, only shadow players will benefit from these new boots which just makes no sense to me. Anyways, enjoy, Like and Subscribe ty :)
One of the biggest issues I don't see being discussed is the fact that the new boots rely on the ranger boots.
So once they make those boots worth upgrading to, there simply won't be enough ranger boots to create the new boots causing them to become hella expensive.
New boots are hella good man. You just have ironman brain if you're in max you're almost always bringing eternals and prims and if pegs had +1 range you'd have all 3 at most content.
They really gotta start getting feedback from somewhere other than reddit 🤣
@@SaniOsrs No offense to Condor or his primary audience, but you are talking about a bunch of med level irons and mains who wear dragon boots or mole slippers to every piece of content. They won't understand the benefit the boots are providing as they are not the target audience
@@marcus3533 Ya I mean torva is barely an upgrade from Bandos but it's 1b for the set. That's just endgame upgrades in general you get diminishing returns
People don't lug the boots around because it's not worth the inventory slot for the switch. But you'll now just get the small upgrade/benefit by default from wearing these boots for all pvm content that requires 2 or 3 combat styles. I don't think it's as shit as you are making it out to be.
Yeah, we were all happy with the Aranea boots, and now we even got a stronger version + defenses, CAN'T COMPLAIN!
My issue with it is that you have to get so many upgrades just to avoid a boot switch. These feel very lack luster for the difficulty to obtain the item + the insane level of items needed to make the upgrade. Ill stick with aranea boots because I cba to go through the effort just to have such a slight upgrade you need a microscope to see the increased dps you get from them.
Also, I agree that 150k pair of D boots over these 100-200m pair of hybrid boots isnt even a question for the vast majority of players who arent sitting on max cash/ironmen.
@barfnugz i mean, if the question is the other boots, play a normal account and do content you enjoy, I'm literally 1B bank by farm runs and the ocasional slayer drop, so you can get there, eventually
Exactly. How the fuck are people too retarded to not realize the benefits associated with having a 3 in 1 boots with no negatives. Especially in places like TOA for the fang where Eternals remove that max hit prims would have given.
wish we had a poll system to solve these problems
They only poll shit when everyone is already happy with it so they can be sure it'll pass
has "democracy" solved any problems in the real world lol? why would it in a videogame haha?
Yeah, too fucking bad they lower the passing threshold when their shit ideas dont pass. smh
@@AlotOfNothing-vp8en true
@@AlotOfNothing-vp8en it's not a democracy in osrs, that wouldn't work. Polls need a super majority to pass - you need an overwhelming landslide vote to pass content which is how it SHOULD be.
Yes. Entire update is dogshit. They need some serious help with player feedback. They are not listening to the people that this update would have effected
They’re so spineless and listen to people bitch and moan on Reddit and Twitter rather than put cool shit in
They only listen to Reddit
yeah considering most don't like sailing, shows jagex dont listen to active player base at all
It’ll get worse more they listen to Reddit. Sailing should’ve stayed as a meme.
Reddit is a vocal minority. Always has been. Surveys are what they need to focus on.
Jagex last week: This is intended for those going for inferno/who have their infernal cape
This Week: Oh well it's not like Inferno level of content
Jagex. Make up your fucking mind. This clearly shows dicussion is NOT happening in the office as it should.
I said at the time it sounds like inferno level gear and bank balance rather than inferno level challenge and nobody wanted to hear it.
Inferno level as in challenge, not the type of content. They should've just said it's PNM level content or DT2 awakened or something, it was a bad comparison
They said it is INFERNO LEVEL, not inferno-like content. They have been very consistent abt that. Yes, they could have chose better words--even so, it is pretty fucking clear what they meant imo. Never once thought the content or magic cape was gonna be a new inferno/colosseum piece of content.
@ Exactly I dont understand everyone's confusion here. Average sailing voter
It's a bit odd to say it's clear what they meant when so many people misunderstood. If there is one thing that's actually clear, it's that they messed up communicating their intentions and thought process for the different rewards in the first blog.
a quest that requires you to complete perilous moons, which requires decent mid/high level stats and barrows to comfortably do, to unlock a dungeon that requires high slayer to access, to unlock the antler guard which is dogshit. as someone who has had a dragon defender since level 20 slayer.
Yes. Boots still suck, cape sucks, removing the thrall ammo sucks. Unsurprising results when they are just listening to redditards.
They should boost that max minimum hit of the the eldritch veil to 3.
Another unique passive would be to decrease the enemies magic attack/defense by 1% per successful hit. And it could cap at like 10% reduction.
nah the cape needs to be tradeable for this to be content that you do for more than just 1 time. its pretty shit theyre making it untradeable now.
Yea cbf with dead content just wana buy things 😂
Its so stupid that they stood their ground on the boots, but, not the thralls, or the cape being tradeable and now they made it inferno 3 which they never intended it to be, despite stating their intent and the reasoning why, which was solid.
Yeah, thought it was super weird that they did that. They had no reason to lmao they even stated they didn't want it to be like that
Wat dumb fk made it untradable cbf doing this dead content just wanted to buy
So glad spergs control this games content now.
Leave it to jagex to turn one of their biggest updates of the year into dead content before it’s even released 😂
How is the games “first” enrage boss loosing it’s an entire enrage concept before it has even made it into the game? How tf is coliseum more of an enrage encounter than the boss you said is going to be an enrage encounter? Jagex have been fumbling varlamore badly.
forestry devs popping off at Jagex HQ over here 😂😂
All the rewards were underwhelming last week. They really need an entirely new item as a reward. How does brain off, sip brew nex add 5 BIS items to the game? When difficult end game content has 3 niche/tiny upgrades...
Antler guard is definitely content for pures disguised as a progression item. I'm shocked it doesn't have a passover that gives access to chivalry without the quest.
Who gives a fuck about pures? Lmfao, touch grass dude...
I think the antler guard is really designed for people that want to AFK Melee slayer, which it seems to be an adequate item for. Trading some melee stats for more AFK time to before needing to hit a prayer pot. It also fills a niche of having an actually meaningful low-ish level ranged off-hand for irons that isn't tied to clue scroll RNG.
It's niche, but I don't really see the hate people give it.
Exactly.. its "not worth it" because they take up inventory space and require swapping. Now they won't require that.. pretty clear and useful upgrade.
I mean the Bandos God Book provides the same level of prayer, is cheap and easy af to get, and provides +2 str bonus. not +5, sure... But doesnt really seem like much of a gap that needed filling on the prayer aspect.
@@barfnugz Getting god books on an ironman is a massive RNG fest. You'd easily require several hundred clues before completing one, and it'll likely not be one you actually want, which isn't something a low-ish level ironman would reasonably do.
Jagex is listening to the 1350-1500 avg total andies that fled their dogwater gacha hell mmos and now, with no poll restrictions, they and the brilliant minds behind forestry are guiding our trajectory. We need total level, Jagex acc only, total play time, quest point, etc, restrictions. They’re mangling osrs, IMO. And Jagex loves it cuz content glut is easier to add to than bothering with their “to do” list lmfao. They should go to a kids park to play in the sandbox rather than turning our game into their sandbox playground. So rotten.
Lmao dude, stop being an elitist POS. So fucking weird.
Where is your evidence for any of the claims you made. Casual players aren't reading blog posts they probably don't even vote.
Yeah no... I think theyre listening to the Gnomemonkeys and the high level community on this one... What retards were complaining that the slayer caves were too low level and needed to be raised? Only high level pvmers would want the content to be at a higher level restriction.
Would have rather seen a pegs/ eternal upgrade over a tribrid bis gear piece. I don’t think tribrid gear being bis is the best direction to go in
It is for now once we have these they will make single bis boots again later on
I hope so. It all sounds too RS3
"Intro"
"Send Help"
"Outro"
You know how and why Ava's devices work -zombie chicken + undead tree + magnet. But no one can say why these or those boots, capes, etc... work. Can we have some lore with any of this shit? Gear is basically all this game amounts to yet the creativity is null.
different times bro devs used to actually be creative back then
They need to make it 2000 total to vote on polls. And actually use the polls instead of listening to Reddit feedback from the same people who still haven’t got a fire cape.
They should just make the Antler Guard better than the dragon defender. It would be a nice stop gap between the dragon defender you get like day 3 or 4 of an account and the avernic you aren't touching until a year or more into one typically. Give it flat 25 melee accuracy bonus, 10 accuracy for both range and mage, matching defense bonuses [or +0 to all defenses if they're married to it needing to be mid], +6 Strength, +5 Prayer, +5 Ranged Strength, and +2% Magic Strength. They want it to be a tribrid prayer-based off-hand and I think all that keeps that intact without busting it. The bonuses to Prayer, Magic strength, and ranged strength as well as positive ranged/magic accuracy and defense bonuses would make it better than the early game untradeables accounts are typically using [god books, dragon defender], but it would still be comfortably worse than the dedicated endgame off-hands [Avernic, Buckler, Ward] while being close enough it's still viable for end game content to reduce switches if you're okay hitting slightly worse. Make the antler guard drop from only the Elder version of the slayer creature while the lower level slayer creatures drop antlers that can be crafted with a yew shield to create the antler guard.
They tried to do this and the issue is the difference between ddef and avernic is basically 0 so there's nowhere to put a new defender without devaluating the crap out of avernic
It bothers me that an item with the word Guard in it provides negative defense. Such a shitty item lol
The cape should remain tradable if this meant to be like high level vorkath (a novel idea) and not meant to be our mage inferno. the boot upgrade is fine imo but it does make for rather insane upgrade path but they are great boots on their face.
With binning everything and making the cape unreadable I don’t really see how this is ever gonna be the high level vorkath. It’s gonna just be you doing this content until wave 8 get the boot upgrade for the log. Maybe the weapon and cape along the way and then no one is gonna touch it. I think they should maybe rework a lot of this shit.
The boot upgrade isnt a guaranteed drop at wave 8. Could still be very rare and hard to get. The now untradable cape upgrade is the guaranteed drop at wave 8.
Boots should give +1% damage to all attack styles. Keep the +5 str bonus but giving a 1% damage boost overall would make it huge for melee
they should add devout boots to the avernic treads, so we get prayer bonus from them
And now the boots are skyrocketing. Complete idiots.
Just about to buy my first pair of prims too. Fml
The boots are fine the way they are IMO. You're getting all the stats of 3 boots without the negatives associated with them into 1 pair of boots, and we'll now get a max hit with the fang in places like TOA since people with a shadow take the Eternals in anyway.
It's nowhere near as shit as it's being made out to be. The convenience of a 3 in 1 alone is worth it let alone avoiding the negatives associated with each pair.
You forgot to add that they said they didn't want it to seem like "mage inferno" then made the cape a guaranteed drop on delve 8....... literally mage inferno lol
Yup Jagex ruining shit once again bcuz they can’t put their foot down when they actually have a good idea. Redditors strike again…
I'm here killing phantom muspah way behind everyone else and enjoying myself. Remember to just have fun guys, who really cares about the convoluted invent set-ups that people carry on about - it doesn't matter, once you get a bosses rotations down they become like cheese and you can wipe the floor with them with pretty mid tier gear tbh - efficiency side of things I understand but it doesn't matter - your runescape prestige only matters to you and no-one else lmao.
i was looking at the stats of the other defenders and the Antler is on par with the Adamant Defender when it comes to offensive melee stats. Still would use the God Books.
Imagine taking away the AOE melee attack because “there’s not a lot of places it can be used” that means make it good where it works? Make it work against large monsters. 90% Jagex is just using ChatGPT to read shit and write update responses.
Defender looks awesome. It’s like a addy or rune defender idk with prayer bonus what’s bad about that
It would appear I have changed my opinion and have to agree with you that the threads should be buffed.
Their response shows this was supposed to be the premium reward of the boss and that should be reflected.
However, this buff should be rather slight. Buffing all 3 styles at once by any margin is just BEGGING for power creep.
It's a delicate balance. The big green guy knows a thing about balance, so let's ask him.
Jagex making content that will be outdated in a year is classic. The magic cape is a farce
Why are they still adding dog shit content before a graphics overhaul and calling this game Runescape 4. This game is no longer OSRS...
Everyone should vote no in polls!!
I voted no on all my accounts
The boots are a fail, no one brings 3 boots anywhere, ever. Ditch the tribrid, combine eternal and pegasians and buff both while simultaneously buffing the elidinis ward to stop the shadow from going crazy. Buffing the ward solves a lot of problems, or make the sang actually stronger than the trident.
The cape's proposed updates are nice. The spec weapon update is fine. There's no scenario where you actually get the Antler guard BEFORE the dragon defender in this scenario. Doesn't fit as a 'before' Dragon Defender type. The dragon defender is not hard to get nor does it take a lot of time. Will absolutely have defender prior to this piece. Useless. Feel like Jagex is missing on these updates
You bring all 3 to toa
They want all the content to feel relevant yet theyre going to release sailing? Fuck me I hate the idea of sailing -.- no matter how they do it it's not a skill it's a fucking Minigame.
once sailing is released I'm out. I'm not opposed to a new skill at all, but not sailing, they release it and I will quit, deadset. Plenty of people say they would, but I definitely will.
what do you mean nobody is lugging three pairs of shoes around? -That's because we don't have the inventory space for them. I would like some new sneakers man.
Its because they're not worth swapping out buddy
Boots???? Don't they know we wear mole slippers to do content
The only reason I wanted the cape to be untradeable is because I assumed it was supposed to be the new bis mage cape. If they were planning on adding a different bis mage cape later on down the line that's better than this one then I don't care if this one is tradable.
I put on my hazmat suit and looked at Reddit. They’re not happy about these changes either. So actually who tf is jagex listening to? Facebook groups?
they killed the cape. it being untradeable completely kills the whole point of the boss, money making.
some jagex employee just wanted to merch his stack of pegasian's smh
Antler Guard could be somewhat useful for safespotting npc's with ranged since you do get +2 ranged strength
Who cares lol blowpipe / MSB would still be better dps
@@0x7000 Hunter's sunlight with antler guard would dumpster MSB on everything and would dumpster blowpipe on anything weak to heavy ranged.
Are we forgetting cost as a factor here? Pretty sure BP costs more than a Sunlight hunter cbow, and the guard makes another budget upgrade. They don’t always have to design around everyone having max cash for upgrades.
I see so many comments about the boots being great. I look at it this way... The boots are nothing more than a QoL update for people with max cash that can afford to drop 100-200m on a set of hybrid boots. Id say it doesnt justify the hefty price tag they will have, but then again, neither do prims or ranger boots, and yet theyre expensive...Ill stick with my aranea boots that are very nice hybrid boots and not too expensive =)
Now all I have to do is make it to wave 8 for the guaranteed cape and I wont ever touch this boss again. Thank you Jagex.
A big problem is they need to leave room for the future and power creep.
And the biggest obstacle to that is the shadow, which fucks everything in the mage tree.
I mean we are already over 10 years into osrs, and we are worried about power creep on a pair of boots? let the power creep in, the game probably only has another 15 years at best anyway, I wanna enjoy them. I dont wanna grind this shit for +1 range str lol.
Dragon defender took me 13 hours 😢
Sit tf down 🪑
@@ZayyWithTheKs jagex hates me smh
I feel the items should be like this, the boots need to add 1 extra % to range mage and melee str, boom there is a nice nice reward.... even the range strength is enough as it is really still nice. As for eldritch veil..... it ahould be tradeable and add the thrall upgrade as its effect, make it needs the demonic mark to upgrade to eldritch veil and use crystals or whatever resource to add charges to use the effect which gives a continuous demand to do the content. The demonbane weapon remains unchanged as ita nice and good where its at.
As for another reaward suggestion as this is endgame a fourth nice reward could berelated to ralos and ranul , like blessing of the sun and moon which adds more prayer bonus than radas blessing 4, but also adds a run recharge effect or adds 1 accuracy for melee and magic.... thats my suggestions that i think helps the debacle and makes it a more of a drive to do the content repeatedly so its not dead content
so valamore is just stepping stone for mid level players and doesnt benefit high level end game like this is good for mid players but us high level max players wouldnt mind upgrade too.
The point of the boots is that they're bis hybrid boots. Not to dominate 1 specific combat type. But to make it so that you do make use of all 3 boots, instead of just wearing 1 and banking the rest. (I personally use eternal boots, if not echos or aranea.)
That's good mate
Yeah agree with the take here. Boots are a bis hybrid. Jagex can take these boots and make more upgrades in the future that make style specific bis.
Came here to comment this exact thing.
He says no one is lugging around all three boots which is exactly why no buffs to the boots is the way to go due to the fact that it buffs 2 of the 3 cb styles that you’re not already getting with using the 1 pair. It also helps with avoiding too much power creep. Boots overall will be like 70/80m can be used everywhere but prioritized in multi cb areas like torm dem/gor all the way up to inf/raids. I think boots are a great update leaning towards more end mid/late to late game content where damage output is more priority over defense
@@jaredbuffington9968 people talking about power creep seem to not understand what power creep is
You guys are all missing the point I made in my video I think with the boots
@@KingCondor You made the point of why should the melee ToB guy get these boots vs just getting d boots. I agree, but it's a good thing that melee ToB player probably does other content than just melee ToB. These boots are going to be convenient to have in content where you need to hybrid or tribrid, but they wont feel like an upgrade at all for content that you 1 style. So I half agree with your point, if you only consider content where you only use 1 style, sure they are not really needed as an upgrade.
Looks like some stuff the switcheroonie community Jagex employees designed.
RS3 segment too long.
This would have been the perfect time to work on a new prayer book, nope well add dumb shit.
Sometimes I feel like Jagex doesn't understand how the progression of their own game works lmao, questing/NMZ prodding yourself to Dragon defender requirements is pretty standard early account shit.
lol and all these hundred hour drop rates grinds that they like to make, I swear none of those mfs are actually playing this game other than 5 minutes of testing
dragon defender has negative mage and range bonus this has positive
- Give boots a combat passive
- Change weapon effect from demon niche to something else, we have enough demon weapons
- Make weapon upgradeable via a rare special piece that comes from wave 8+
- Add 2 more uniques to this. 1 ranged one since mage/melee already have some. And then one more untradeable upgrade that *isnt* guaranteed like cape.
Yes! Dragon defender is so early game. This proposal is stupid. Apparently they don't play the game hahaha
I hope they take another week to think about rewards. The delving boss feels not very good with this blog.
yes
Jagex seeing ghost 👻
Ngl, the antler horn looks cool for afk vyres. Other than that? Its all trash.
looks insane at vyers
unless combined boots are insane stats i dont care for them like nobody is carrying around all 3 boots at one go and its not needed as boot switch isnt really thing on osrs, as only thing which make new boots good is if they increase dps abit for upgrade/combined then people moan about power creep also then.
So I don't really get this. Maybe it's cause I have a shadow but I camp eternal at toa, and being able to also add prim stats to them for melee rooms is just more better. Same with like cox. You just get a little bit of extra dps out of 2 of 3 raids
To clarify im not saying it's ground breaking. But it is better
@ varys how much it adds, like with jagex im not expecting it to add much also im not shadow user as i got sang and for me for i wont see much differance (though i do say more pvm bosses with range or melee mostly myself).
I say give the Cape an ability like the blood fury.
Edit. Watch the video to completion first 🤣 I Wrote before the bit about the bit came up
How about we ignore terrible updates for a year and focus on bots.
How about you let bots stop living in your head rent free, and we get more content.
Think of the ultimate iron man, I which am not
they just need to come out and say they are trying to keep the artistic col loggers engaged in the game
all this useless mid tier weaponry is just bloat and useless
Avernic = untradeable I like it
"nobody is using blowpipe" delusional and out of touch with 99% of the game
Whose using blowpipe?
Personally I hate content like fight cave, inferno, colosseum. The first completion I get it. But after you have done it a few times it’s so mind numbing boring. Last 10 waves or even just the final fight after you complete would be a god send. Even if each time you completed you skipped one wave so you had to get a lot of kc first. Still that would be aids but significantly better.
ngl i don’t think you understand the value of the boots, you keep saying no one wears the pegs/eternals because they don’t matter…..that’s exactly why they are doing this, this is a way for players to get value out of their pegs/eternals since they are (as you point out) not worth bringing as a switch
This still won't change anything unless you have a shadow, which is the only reason people bring a boot switch now, these boots will not change your characters performance, I understand the value of the boots, they're not good enough
woot.
Your take on the boots is dead wrong bro, how could you say all 3 bis boots in 1 slot is bad
Im saying it needs to be better, all 3 bis boots are already bad because the arenea and dragon boots sit at a very cheap price and do the exact same thing as prims, pegs and eternals UNLESS you are wearing a shadow, and these boots will be no different, I dunno how people are not understanding this, they should be an upgrade, not a QoL update
Thanks, reddit warriors.... you've ruined yet another update
What in the private server shit is this?
you obv dont raid if you think these boots arent good enough lmao? Theyre amazing. could be better? sure, but they're by no means shit AT ALL
I have several world records in raids in this game, which is why I know these boots are not worthy, they should be better
I'm so pissed they decided to make the mage cape upgrade untradeable. I don't want everything to have to be locked behind some form of wave based mini games or bosses. I play a regular main to buy items when I can if it's needed for my account for the sake of convenience.
End game bis should be locked behind a challenge
@ That’s the thing though. They’ve clarified this is not meant to be an end game mage equivalent to the infernal cape. So despite it not being on the same tier of cape, they still went back on their decision and made it untradeable. If it was the same tier, I’d understand and would agree with you tbh
the bowfer
You're definitely lugging 2 pairs of boots around at a lot of content, plus if pegs had +1 strength people would bring that switch. You use blowpipe in like every raid in the game including inferno. The boots are a very big upgrade as is for max mains (who the content is designed for). The boots will be nice for all roles in tob because you use all styles at nylo boss. I think dropping the veil is fine but you need more than 1 reward from this content for it to be worthwhile.
a communism: the videogame
haha its hilarious
It feels like they are throwing random rewards places. Trying to push out too many bis in one place, please add more medium tier stuff
? jesus youre lost. this doesnt have enough bis rewards
If it’s not meant to be an eventual bis cape, link it to thralls in some way. Keep the consumable idea and give the cape an extra slot like the quiver, to synergies with thralls but not an overall bis cape. And for balance of this next other top tier cape ffs nerf the Shadow a tad, it’s fucking the entire mage tree.
You seem like the type of person who doesnt want osrs to update at all and wants to gatekeep content
wtf are you even talking about.
You seem like the type of person to have a fucked up amount of chromosomes.
Nah that's me. I'm the gatekeeper ✋️
They also just shit the bed and made osrs mobile unplayable making a .5sec stutter whenever any action is performed including eating, changing gear, changing prayer, changing menus, ANYTHING. Before this ive been unable to tap to walk under other players (I moved the walk here option to the top for bandos, but its broken forever now and is forever the last or first option on clicks) making gotr, wintertodt, Nex mass, Nightmare mass, and honestly anything with players involved is complete trash now on Mobile. Even just forrestry events are screwed. I end up accidentally examining things because the change made that the top option for otherwise regualar objects you wouldnt beable to click on.
Yeah it’s really messy implementation of menu swaps. Until they fix it the best you can do is toggle it on/off for certain activities. I did a full reset to get rid of the follow over walk issue. Now I just swap and then reset for anything major. It’s a pain but better than not having any swaps at all imo. Primarily a desktop player so it doesn’t completely ruin my experience but hoping a fix comes but with the new hd/api features coming they will probably just leave it and let someone else do it (for free) later lol
Did Rizzex just Fanum Their Latest Gyatt?!
i want the cape because i want a better looking mage cape 🤣
Nobody wants to do 10 way switches, boots upgrade is cool regardless of powercreep
The point is that the boots were never part of any switches unless using a shadow in cox or toa, and even then it wasn't really that important because the value is so minuscule, we can and should get better regardless
The point is that the boots were never part of any switches unless using a shadow in cox or toa, and even then it wasn't really that important because the value is so minuscule, we can and should get better regardless
@@KingCondor shit take. also the cape got made worse not better by being untradeable and nuking the whole point of the boss.
Yeah 9 way switches are already hard enough 😬
@KingCondor well yeah, which is why it's nice to be able to include them in your setup without having to add more power to the game. Though I'm not sure on the power creep balancing numbers, maybe you're right
The boots only use: save 1 inv slot. Pegs useless, eternals only with shadow at best.
the boots are well worth using but thats too much inventory slot, there are some goats that do use all three boots its jsut not worth the inventory slot of a peeice of food, three 8 way switches is hell of a headache thats all. msot people cant understand anyways they camp bofa's and shit to get through a kill. dont get me wrong sitting back not noing shit with a bofa,tbow,shadow is all dandy but theres faster and more ways to do things.its jsut people use whats easier and gets them through shit. no harm in that. i hope the boots come out tired of using three pairs of boots. thats more fuckup inventory slots of food i can use, and we all fuck up so an extra peice of food is lovely.
Wear mole slippers like a man