Well said, Dr. Mohler. Thank you for your thoughts. My heart goes out to Lawson's wife and family. I hope he comes to full repentance and maybe his stepping down is part of that. Just truly sad and tragic but no one is above this.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise . Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise . Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
I suggest that you pray for elders of the Trinity Bible Church for not following the biblical script in how to handle grave failings of pastors. God commands that grave moral failings of pastors to be publicly announced to the church, so the church will know FEAR (1 Tim. 5:20). God commanded this because he loves the church and he does not others to fail. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom".
@@thomasc9036You realize it says “continuing in sin” right? You realize it is Dr. Lawson that came forward to the elders, right? That shows at least the beginning of repentance. Maybe you should realize also that Matthew 18’s point is that you do these things in Hope that your brother returns to you. Every single person on this forum is a sinner. So the LOT OF YOU need to stop acting high and mighty. Lest you forget that sin isn’t the action, it’s where the action originated from. Your heart. And yours is no better than Dr. Lawson’s. He was removed from his ministry and all positions. As it SHOULD BE. But YOU PEOPLE are all about fire and brimstone, and no love and forgiveness. Imagine if GOD ACTED LIKE YOU. There would be no cross. And you should feel ASHAMED.
@@siegistic He DID not come forward. The rumors of his "inappropriate behavior" began to circulate, then the elders of the Trinity Bible Church asked him to come in for clarification. That's when he came in "voluntarily" and confessed.
@@siegistic You are part of the reason why so many pastors fail. Instead of the following the God's word, people like you follow the modern-day self-righteous liberal doctrines. Just sad...
Thank you Pastor. This is most lucid, truthful, and straightforward illustration of adultery I've ever encountered from the pulpit, and honestly, the saddest part is that I haven't heard it said this boldly until now. It certainly speaks the truth in love.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise . Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
Yes,,,I’m so glad Pastor Mohler is speaking…..I’m still greatly grieved,,,, I had been totally blessed and immensely thankful for Pastor Steve Lawson ‘s expository teachings in the past,,,,,, but,,we cannot really put our guards down when it comes to this particular sin….praying for his wife, kids his family, his church members,,,,,,
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise . Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them. That inappropriate relationship has been going on for years it seems,
He should have mentioned that 1Cor10:13 was a promise for every Elect who truly Loves Christ and His Word. Or even mentioned that brilliance, or vast knowledge of the Bible is not an evidence of an Elect (A person who Loves Christ and His Word).
There is a silver lining in this situation. Christians everywhere are being reminded of how good Satan is at his job and are making adjustments in their own lives to help avoid sinful situations. I know I am.
Absolutely dude. This has been going on for 5 years, apparently, and even then Satan convinced him not to come forth until he was forced to by the girls Father. If David could fall into sexual immorality I know I can. Still, I was shocked this had gone on so long. You expect it from teachers with terrible theology and an unfruitful worldly ministry. I hope he repents for the glory of God, and not just to make himself look better.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise . Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
The first time I met Steven Lawson was in the suit shop in SBTs where he was buying a tie with Al Mohler. I think that likely Al is not saying his name is because he is deeply wounded by his friend.
The elite of the Protestant teachers need to mandate that they are in a men's accountability group with their Elders! Indeed all of God's Ministers need to do the same!
What did Jesus say to those who accused the adulteress? But Jesus stooped down and with his finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking him, he straightened up, and said to them, 'He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her. ' Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
One of us has fallen, enemy has taken one of us by his snare, we are not to leave him behind. We carry him on our shoulders to be cured, mended and get ready to fight again alongside us. No one is perfect and immune to temptation and sin, we all need god’s grace and need it abundantly every single second of our lives to survive temptation and sin.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise . Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
Dios tu pueblo ha pecado. Ayúdanos a ayunar, meditar y a dolernos por el pecado en tu pueblo así como tu siervo Isaías. Hacemos muchos comentarios en redes y Oralia poco por esta situación. No nos duele lo suficiente como para pedirte perdón y más bien comentamos en redes. Perdónanos Dios y doblas nuestras rodillas para interceder por tu perdón
I disagree. Rock stars don't carry the Holy Spirit. And even many rock stars don't have an affair for 5 years and only come forward when forced. That isn't normal or to be excused. This is why James said not many should be teachers. God will not excuse sin no matter the circumstance. If this had been a one time thing, I would heavily be at bat for him but this is ridiculous. I'll pray for the family.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise . Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
We all know the name and the names of two other Dallas area pastors. One of whom was affiliated with Southern Baptist. Mohler never addressed that, unfortunately
@@EvikeuklavierAnd only come forward when threatened. We don't even know if he loves God more than that girl yet and will repent. Until he repents, he is to be rejected wholesale. And the fact that he came forward because he had too, is the "He's only sorry because he got caught," kind of thing. I really loved his preaching, and if he had failed once and came forward willingly without being caught, I would 100% believe him. But now, I'm not sure we can trust even his public repentance. He lied to our faces for 5 years.
Genesis 50:20 - As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to do what has happened on this day, to keep many people alive. Romans 8:28 - And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to His purpose. What we think evil God will somehow use for the good and the glory of His kingdom is all I know. May His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise . Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
@@Gargeler I never claimed it was. Nowhere in my statement did I even bring up Lawson's love or lack there of for the Lord. I'm talking about the unfortunate situation and how in the end God works all things for good for the elect of Christ.
@@graham5990 the question to begin , is Doctor.Lawson even an Elect? This is a question that many reformers are dodging because Dr.Lawson is right up there.
But who can we trust in the pulpit, even you Mr Mobley, or any other pastor, teacher or teachers. Yes forgiveness can come but the fallout on his family,his church and his wider ministry is so very devastating, the wound so very deep. We are left thinking who is next. Mr Lawson seemed so godly….the Bible narrative telling the stories of fallen heroes and the wide consequences of their fall is not there to excuse sin but as a warning to all. Even forgiven sin leaves consequences that can be felt for generations.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise . Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
Legalism can indeed contribute to moral failure among pastors and other believers. Legalism is the belief that one can earn or maintain their status with God through their own actions, rather than relying on grace through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9). This mindset can lead to a focus on external behavior rather than internal transformation, which can create a facade of righteousness without addressing deeper issues of the heart.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise . Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise . Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
@@wendellsullivan2341 I'm not going to do your work for you. Pastors and leaders are held to a higher estandard. This is biblical. Therfore we have a right to be tough on them. However, it's a mistake to misconstrue this for gloating and make a blanket statement like you did.
King David fell and yet he was the apple of God's eye. The enemy prowls around like a roaring lion looking for that which he may devour.. We are simply to pray for them and stand firm ourselves. Matthew 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin.... If it can happen to him, it can happen to any one of us. Pray 🙏
You are making an assumption that the woman involved led him astray, that she was a temptress. James 1:14 - "everyone is tempted by his own desires..."
Who brought this "disaster upon the Church and this ministry" ? He or God? ( who decreed everything to happen) Was this something God planned "before the Creation of the World"? Lawson hid this adultery relationship for five years. He was teaching and preaching to the church and peers. Was he really saved at all? And if not, could God can use a unsaved person to save teach, preach and equip christian leaders? Why nobody did sense that with the help of the Holy Spirit? Was he a wolf in pastor clothes? As calvinists many have to answer those questions.
At about 2:00 in this video we also find out that John MacArthur must be in very bad shape. It seems that he honestly thought he was expecting a call that John had reached the end of the race.
❤Steven Lawson great man of JESUS. Hugs and love in Christ from us all in Colombia (SA). Let's just pray for Steven instead of being judgemental you bunch of hypocrites! All pastors and preachers are as well sinners like the rest of mortals. May our Lord God have mercy of us all.
Dear brothers and sisters, can I ask a question? Is there anybody else out there who feels that many of the comments made on issues like this … are really just gossip? I think we might need to take a step back and ask God to help us to avoid the sin of gossip before we post our comments. Something to think about.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise . Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
The root of this kind of sin seems to be the pride that comes from the "celebrity" pastor status. These big name pastors and preachers get propped up by the church - they enjoy fame and money. Pride comes before the fall. Might we stop making celebrities out of ministers.
I hope these men hv not been harsh w others who hv had major falls. Some of these men sound so superior in their beliefs and making light of ministers who hv different beliefs especially pentecostal. How superior are u now sir??
The catastrophe is that this man's entire lifetime of service to God has been brought into discredit, self-canceling his entire ministry. Think about this one word: Ravi. It's over. That's a catastrophe.
@@chuckwalton2868 I’d be more convinced if this catastrophe was warranted, if the evidence was clear. It’s not, he and this woman said they never fornicated; isn’t that noteworthy? Why does AM suppress that information in his response to this?
AM gave answers to two question I had - thank you. For the rest its a man that transgressed, sinnned - its not a horror or catastrophe & he is not perfect either. He will be forgiven by God - why not the congregation? The latters decision may cost them more ultimately.
@@ryanjohnson628yes I agree but they did "ban" him as such....unless I got the wrong facts. my point is chasing him away does not make much sense. furthermore, as in many other cases, there probably is an element of internal politics involved. the people making the decision are not angels either. be that as it may so be it.
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Mohler is in damage control... he exactly knew what the issue was. This kind of noise travels fast. Phil Johnson called him personally (thinking it was about JMac health) to inform him. Grief is right. Calvinism is a sham and you've been duped by satan. This was not God's sovereign decree. Theses dots teach us that we are all sinners - and God's grace is for ALL, should one choose to accept his gift through faith. Yes, let's pray for SL to renounce Calvinism and come to genuine heart repentance and declare the glory of Jesus Christ and salvation is available to all who believe.
“you will not have sex with a women not your wife if you are never alone with a women not your wife.” this got me thinking about the women’s father who told the elders about the scandal sounded and my conscience tells me this scandal needs to be addressed by Steve Lawson alone … I feel like the women’s father lied about it ….
@@SuPalabraEnMiVida yes we understand that but it could be a relationship which all people call a normal friendship relationship, now we don’t know what the women’s father want he could be just making it up it ite true we would want to see him do an interview….
*its every bit as bad as it looks? Not really. I was originally led tp believe he was sleeping with her. Now i find out it was some kind of emotional affair. Not good, but far less than a physical affair. Even knowing it was an "innapropriate relationship". What does this mean? Was it a tad grey, or was he sending her dick pics through text? He confessed because of her fathers threats to expose him...Does he really believe his relationship crossed the line or did he bring it to the attention of the elders because he was trying to get ahead of it all? There are way too many unanswered questions at this point for me to get all dramatic and go scorched earth on him. If im going to cancel him, and conclude him disqualified from pastoring for the rest of his life, i need something more substantive than vague accusations. I want some real details. This little sermon seemed more like a lot of assumption and blind speculation than anything else.
@dkjazzz Again. This is just speculation. Did he meet her 5 years ago for the first time? Is "5 years" the length of the emotional affair? Were there texts? If so, what were the nature of them? How often, if ever, did they see each other? He's in his 70s. Is he even capable of having sex? How did the father come to know? Did his daughter go to him? Did he catch them together? Did he see the texts? Did Steve Lawson confess the relationship was romantic or inappropriate, or is he defending himself. I want answers before going scorched earth.
The communication written by his church seemed to say that they were still praying for repentance to happen. Let's keep that in mind also, as we resist jumping to conclusions.
@chuckwalton2868 This will sound crazy... But I have been in associate reformed, presbyterian for 20 years And I have not listened 21 single sermon by steve lawson. When I heard that he fell into sin.I didn't even know who he was. So personally, I have no ax to grind.Or motive to defend him. I just don't think we have had enough information given to us to really judge. So far , the reaction just seems over the top. It really does matter that these questions are answered.If we are gonna erase him and cancel him.
Showing that you really didn't get it. So sad. Praying that by the Sovereign Grace of the Triune God, you will understand and be matured in your faith and hold of Christ.
bradregan7889 Was that a superior and dismissive wave of the hand or was that a friendly gesture? I noticed that you didn’t really engage with scriptural reasoning. So would you claim that this sin was the will of God? God is sovereign after all and as such there is nothing that is done without his will.
Dear Brother, I understand your concern about the Perseverance of the Saints and how it may seem like a theory that flies in the face of the reality of the Christian life. However, it is crucial to remember that the doctrine is not based on what seems practical on the surface, but on what Scripture teaches. The Perseverance of the Saints does not mean that a believer will not fail or struggle with sin. Rather, it means that, by the grace of God, those who are truly born again and regenerated by the Holy Spirit will not lose their salvation. This perseverance is not dependent on the believer's strength, but on the power of God that guards his faith. Philippians 1:6 assures us, "He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion at the day of Jesus Christ." Here are some points to consider: 1 - God's Sovereignty in Salvation: The emphasis is on God sustaining the believer to the end. Romans 8:38-39 says that nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus, implying that those who are in Christ are safe under His love and power. 2 - The Reality of the Struggle: Perseverance of the Saints does not deny that believers may go through times of doubt, sin, and even seem to have strayed. What it does ensure is that, in the end, God restores His children and leads them back to Him. As we see in 1 John 2:19, those who completely fall away prove that they were never truly believers. 3 - The Practicality and Process: On a practical level, many believers struggle with sin, but God continues to work in their hearts. Perseverance is seen in those who, despite their falls, are restored and continue to grow in holiness. Hebrews 12:2 calls Jesus the “author and finisher of our faith,” giving us confidence that He will complete what He began.
How do you know who it was and how old they were? What preachers are making "excuses?" I've yet to see a single pastor or leader condone, exscuse, or explain away what Laweson did.
Wonder what they would say to King David, Samson , Saul, Noah, Abraham, Rahab the harlot et al. God gave each of these a mention in Hebrews 11 as the 'great men of faith' Not condoning. God saw this coming before Steve Lawson before he was even born, yet still saw fit to lead & encourage many to Christ. Don't throw the baby out with the muddy bath water.... Restore and encourage after a time of correction and chastisement. We live in unredeemed bodies for now anyway.... Hew ill turn water into wine.
May the Lord grant that he may be restored, but he must bear the stigma of his compromised choice of adultery. Even when by His Grace S.J.L. returns to communion, he is biblically not to do public ministry. "... lest after I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified." 1 Corinthians 9:24-27.
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And pray for a wounded wife.
Well said, Dr. Mohler. Thank you for your thoughts.
My heart goes out to Lawson's wife and family. I hope he comes to full repentance and maybe his stepping down is part of that. Just truly sad and tragic but no one is above this.
Well said. Thanks for sharing this truth and encouragement. God help pastor Lawson, family and the church to come out of it.
Amen
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise .
Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
1 Corinthians 10:12 (KJV) "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise .
Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
I was saddened when i heard this info. I pray for his wife and family, and pray he will repent and be restored to the family.
I suggest that you pray for elders of the Trinity Bible Church for not following the biblical script in how to handle grave failings of pastors. God commands that grave moral failings of pastors to be publicly announced to the church, so the church will know FEAR (1 Tim. 5:20). God commanded this because he loves the church and he does not others to fail. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom".
This. I hear too much condemnation, and not enough “pray for him”
@@thomasc9036You realize it says “continuing in sin” right?
You realize it is Dr. Lawson that came forward to the elders, right?
That shows at least the beginning of repentance.
Maybe you should realize also that Matthew 18’s point is that you do these things in Hope that your brother returns to you.
Every single person on this forum is a sinner. So the LOT OF YOU need to stop acting high and mighty.
Lest you forget that sin isn’t the action, it’s where the action originated from. Your heart. And yours is no better than Dr. Lawson’s.
He was removed from his ministry and all positions. As it SHOULD BE. But YOU PEOPLE are all about fire and brimstone, and no love and forgiveness.
Imagine if GOD ACTED LIKE YOU.
There would be no cross. And you should feel ASHAMED.
@@siegistic He DID not come forward. The rumors of his "inappropriate behavior" began to circulate, then the elders of the Trinity Bible Church asked him to come in for clarification. That's when he came in "voluntarily" and confessed.
@@siegistic You are part of the reason why so many pastors fail. Instead of the following the God's word, people like you follow the modern-day self-righteous liberal doctrines. Just sad...
Thank you Pastor. This is most lucid, truthful, and straightforward illustration of adultery I've ever encountered from the pulpit, and honestly, the saddest part is that I haven't heard it said this boldly until now. It certainly speaks the truth in love.
Wonderfully said, thank you for your encouraging words to grieving children of God.
Thank you Pastor Mohler.
Such a wonderful message
Thank you Dr Mohler . Good word of caution and prayer for protection
Outrage..."How could you?"
Humility..."God have mercy on me, a sinner!"
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise .
Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
Yes,,,I’m so glad Pastor Mohler is speaking…..I’m still greatly grieved,,,, I had been totally blessed and immensely thankful for Pastor Steve Lawson ‘s expository teachings in the past,,,,,, but,,we cannot really put our guards down when it comes to this particular sin….praying for his wife, kids his family, his church members,,,,,,
Never heard of him, and I live in PA. Well-versed in C'n. affairs.
I did not see this coming either…..heartbroken..praying for Mr.Lawson, his wife and family and for the othercwomen
@@Cyclersix I only said that I would pray for her!
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise .
Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
That inappropriate relationship has been going on for years it seems,
@@Gargeler did he leave his wife?!
Not a catastrophe but sin... Please help us remember as a pastor. Yes heartache but that is the consequence. Help us to fear God for each of us 🙏🙏
Thanks for this. Wisely put
This was a good word from Dr. Mohler
He should have mentioned that 1Cor10:13 was a promise for every Elect who truly Loves Christ and His Word. Or even mentioned that brilliance, or vast knowledge of the Bible is not an evidence of an Elect (A person who Loves Christ and His Word).
There is a silver lining in this situation. Christians everywhere are being reminded of how good Satan is at his job and are making adjustments in their own lives to help avoid sinful situations. I know I am.
Absolutely dude. This has been going on for 5 years, apparently, and even then Satan convinced him not to come forth until he was forced to by the girls Father. If David could fall into sexual immorality I know I can. Still, I was shocked this had gone on so long. You expect it from teachers with terrible theology and an unfruitful worldly ministry. I hope he repents for the glory of God, and not just to make himself look better.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise .
Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
Thank you Al.
The first time I met Steven Lawson was in the suit shop in SBTs where he was buying a tie with Al Mohler. I think that likely Al is not saying his name is because he is deeply wounded by his friend.
I agree..his close friend..imagine..his pain..prayers up!
The elite of the Protestant teachers need to mandate that they are in a men's accountability group with their Elders! Indeed all of God's Ministers need to do the same!
What did Jesus say to those who accused the adulteress?
But Jesus stooped down and with his finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking him, he straightened up, and said to them, 'He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her. ' Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
One of us has fallen, enemy has taken one of us by his snare, we are not to leave him behind. We carry him on our shoulders to be cured, mended and get ready to fight again alongside us.
No one is perfect and immune to temptation and sin, we all need god’s grace and need it abundantly every single second of our lives to survive temptation and sin.
Amen
When one is repentant
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise .
Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
Dios tu pueblo ha pecado. Ayúdanos a ayunar, meditar y a dolernos por el pecado en tu pueblo así como tu siervo Isaías. Hacemos muchos comentarios en redes y Oralia poco por esta situación. No nos duele lo suficiente como para pedirte perdón y más bien comentamos en redes. Perdónanos Dios y doblas nuestras rodillas para interceder por tu perdón
Thank you so much for the way you shared.
They set up men in these positions and expect them not to fall? Whenever preachers are treated like rock stars, they will behave like one.
I disagree. Rock stars don't carry the Holy Spirit. And even many rock stars don't have an affair for 5 years and only come forward when forced. That isn't normal or to be excused. This is why James said not many should be teachers. God will not excuse sin no matter the circumstance. If this had been a one time thing, I would heavily be at bat for him but this is ridiculous. I'll pray for the family.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise .
Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
We all know the name and the names of two other Dallas area pastors. One of whom was affiliated with Southern Baptist. Mohler never addressed that, unfortunately
Who are you talking about?
I would have loved to hear Bro.Mohler say:
This is my brother and I love him..let's pray for him
5 year hidden relationshp? lol
@@EvikeuklavierAnd only come forward when threatened. We don't even know if he loves God more than that girl yet and will repent. Until he repents, he is to be rejected wholesale. And the fact that he came forward because he had too, is the "He's only sorry because he got caught," kind of thing. I really loved his preaching, and if he had failed once and came forward willingly without being caught, I would 100% believe him. But now, I'm not sure we can trust even his public repentance. He lied to our faces for 5 years.
Genesis 50:20 - As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to do what has happened on this day, to keep many people alive.
Romans 8:28 - And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to His purpose.
What we think evil God will somehow use for the good and the glory of His kingdom is all I know. May His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise .
Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
@@Gargeler I never claimed it was. Nowhere in my statement did I even bring up Lawson's love or lack there of for the Lord. I'm talking about the unfortunate situation and how in the end God works all things for good for the elect of Christ.
@@graham5990 the question to begin , is Doctor.Lawson even an Elect? This is a question that many reformers are dodging because Dr.Lawson is right up there.
But who can we trust in the pulpit, even you Mr Mobley, or any other pastor, teacher or teachers. Yes forgiveness can come but the fallout on his family,his church and his wider ministry is so very devastating, the wound so very deep. We are left thinking who is next. Mr Lawson seemed so godly….the Bible narrative telling the stories of fallen heroes and the wide consequences of their fall is not there to excuse sin but as a warning to all. Even forgiven sin leaves consequences that can be felt for generations.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise .
Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
I am still sickened about this.
Isaiah 2:22
Psalm 147:3
Legalism can indeed contribute to moral failure among pastors and other believers. Legalism is the belief that one can earn or maintain their status with God through their own actions, rather than relying on grace through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9). This mindset can lead to a focus on external behavior rather than internal transformation, which can create a facade of righteousness without addressing deeper issues of the heart.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise .
Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
Why are men of God and pastors so afraid to use clear language? This was not a moral failure, it was an adult truth affair!
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise .
Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
Hey Al, we all know his name. It has been shouted from the roof tops. Steve Lawson had an adulterous relationship with a 25+ year old.
How do you know it was a 25 + year old? Just a curious.
@@justifiedFaith209 more info has been revealed, it went on for 5 years
@@Evikeuklavieryes she was 25. It was found out by her father. And it was 5 years
@@Evikeuklavier Can i have a source? Thank you.
@Evikeuklavier what???!!! 😢
Now we find it went on for 5 years!
All these men, especially Lawson, did not grieve over Ravi, but rather gloated and called into question Ravi's salvation.
Ravi RAPED multiple women and also threatened them if they expose him. Having a consensual affair with one woman is not the same as RAPE and threats !
Why wouldn’t you question Ravi’s salvation?
Please. How do you know this? Are you around these mean all the time to know how they felt or responded?
@@justifiedFaith209 do a google search and hear them in their own words.
@@wendellsullivan2341 I'm not going to do your work for you. Pastors and leaders are held to a higher estandard. This is biblical. Therfore we have a right to be tough on them. However, it's a mistake to misconstrue this for gloating and make a blanket statement like you did.
Why are you afraid to call the sin by its Name? Was it Adultery, or Not?
It is being reported that there was no physical contact. Yesterday’s talk with Jon Harris ( conversations that matter) it was stated
YES he had a 5 year relationship with a 20 year old woman and her father found out and threatened to expose him.
@@Kenneth-nVAA…it was reported it went on for 5 years 🙄
Pray for them
Maybe they are trying to scare other pastors that if you talk to a woman you will be kicked out of being a pastor.
King David fell and yet he was the apple of God's eye. The enemy prowls around like a roaring lion looking for that which he may devour.. We are simply to pray for them and stand firm ourselves.
Matthew 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin....
If it can happen to him, it can happen to any one of us. Pray 🙏
We need to have the fear of the Lord to guide us sinners to orthopraxy.
And what for the temptress?
My thoughts exactly.
You are making an assumption that the woman involved led him astray, that she was a temptress. James 1:14 - "everyone is tempted by his own desires..."
@@normangraham1933 Obviously
Why he did Not ask the congregación (?)
Pray for the Pastor Who has fallen ??
Why didn’t he just step down before it came out?
The only reason we know about this is because Lawson himself told his fellow elders.
@@alexglase765not the story I've heard. Rather it's gone on 5 years and the girls dad found out
@@alexglase765after being threatened to be exposed by her father, yea
Who brought this "disaster upon the Church and this ministry" ? He or God? ( who decreed everything to happen) Was this something God planned "before the Creation of the World"? Lawson hid this adultery relationship for five years. He was teaching and preaching to the church and peers. Was he really saved at all? And if not, could God can use a unsaved person to save teach, preach and equip christian leaders? Why nobody did sense that with the help of the Holy Spirit? Was he a wolf in pastor clothes? As calvinists many have to answer those questions.
At about 2:00 in this video we also find out that John MacArthur must be in very bad shape. It seems that he honestly thought he was expecting a call that John had reached the end of the race.
❤Steven Lawson great man of JESUS. Hugs and love in Christ from us all in Colombia (SA). Let's just pray for Steven instead of being judgemental you bunch of hypocrites! All pastors and preachers are as well sinners like the rest of mortals. May our Lord God have mercy of us all.
Dear brothers and sisters, can I ask a question? Is there anybody else out there who feels that many of the comments made on issues like this … are really just gossip? I think we might need to take a step back and ask God to help us to avoid the sin of gossip before we post our comments. Something to think about.
A True Elect that Loves Christ and His word have 1Cor10:13 as a Promise .
Vast knowledge/brilliance or eloquence is not an evidence of a Person Who Loves Christ Loves His word and obeys them.
Who else is standing with Jesus Christ and His word🙏
God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass.
As MacArthur said is one of his sermon's "Not one molecule on this planet is out of alignment with His will."
Correct and Amen.
The root of this kind of sin seems to be the pride that comes from the "celebrity" pastor status. These big name pastors and preachers get propped up by the church - they enjoy fame and money. Pride comes before the fall. Might we stop making celebrities out of ministers.
How many times has your pride caused you to sin.
@@Jeremiah17910what’s your point
@@Jeremiah17910 Everyone of my sins can be tied back to it. Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.
No defending this man!
No defending me if I do the same.
Learn the lesson. The trump regime is evil to the core. Everyone should keep away and not stand by such a regime
I hope these men hv not been harsh w others who hv had major falls. Some of these men sound so superior in their beliefs and making light of ministers who hv different beliefs especially pentecostal. How superior are u now sir??
Just skip to the last 40 secs with 2x speed. The rest is a waste of time.
Text messaging or messaging apps is major problem. Lot of hanky panky
Amen!
I’m surprised these men don’t have these conversations knowing they’re worshipped like gods , God never called them to this status
What exactly is the catastrophe?
Just Google it. lol
They seem to be blowing it out of proportion.
The catastrophe is that this man's entire lifetime of service to God has been brought into discredit, self-canceling his entire ministry. Think about this one word: Ravi. It's over. That's a catastrophe.
@@jwehrli6 are you kidding me
@@chuckwalton2868 I’d be more convinced if this catastrophe was warranted, if the evidence was clear. It’s not, he and this woman said they never fornicated; isn’t that noteworthy? Why does AM suppress that information in his response to this?
I wonder if he told his wife he was predestined by God to cheat on her, and did she buy that?
How does someone talk so much but say so little?
It is the emotional gobbledygook that is why Pastors keep getting in trouble.
Honestly, him not naming names and naming specific sins that were committed is very very treacherous. Perhaps sinful itself.
Very sad news
I'm horrified that the man didn't have discernment
AM gave answers to two question I had - thank you. For the rest its a man that transgressed, sinnned - its not a horror or catastrophe & he is not perfect either. He will be forgiven by God - why not the congregation? The latters decision may cost them more ultimately.
The congregation forgiving the man and the man being unfit (scripturally) to hold that office are two very different things…
@@ryanjohnson628yes I agree but they did "ban" him as such....unless I got the wrong facts. my point is chasing him away does not make much sense. furthermore, as in many other cases, there probably is an element of internal politics involved. the people making the decision are not angels either. be that as it may so be it.
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@@isaiasmoe gracias
Mohler is in damage control... he exactly knew what the issue was. This kind of noise travels fast. Phil Johnson called him personally (thinking it was about JMac health) to inform him.
Grief is right. Calvinism is a sham and you've been duped by satan. This was not God's sovereign decree. Theses dots teach us that we are all sinners - and God's grace is for ALL, should one choose to accept his gift through faith.
Yes, let's pray for SL to renounce Calvinism and come to genuine heart repentance and declare the glory of Jesus Christ and salvation is available to all who believe.
Albert Molher ya puso distancia contra el Papa de Roma o no?, por que relacionarse con el Anticristo, eso es fornicación!
Off the Kirb ministries.. Interviewed This Pastor admitting he committed adultery … a few years Back.
Pastor David Guzik had a word on this Interview.
There needs to be greater help for men with sex addiction in the church.
The bible doesn’t call it sex addiction. The Bible calls it exactly what it is: unrepentant fornicators.
“you will not have sex with a women not your wife if you are never alone with a women not your wife.”
this got me thinking about the women’s father who told the elders about the scandal sounded and my conscience tells me this scandal needs to be addressed by Steve Lawson alone … I feel like the women’s father lied about it ….
By now, unfortunately, it is known that S.J.L. had a relationship with a twenty-something for 5 years.
@@SuPalabraEnMiVida yes we understand that but it could be a relationship which all people call a normal friendship relationship, now we don’t know what the women’s father want he could be just making it up it ite true we would want to see him do an interview….
I’m sorry I’m still waiting for Al here to talk about the sin of plagiarism…he is very good at attacking low hanging fruit
The women needs to be called out too, she is just as quilty
No. Because she’s not a leader and not a church member. 1 Timothy 3:1-7
You wouldn't have the ability to connect the dots: birds of a feather flocks together.
*its every bit as bad as it looks?
Not really. I was originally led tp believe he was sleeping with her. Now i find out it was some kind of emotional affair. Not good, but far less than a physical affair.
Even knowing it was an "innapropriate relationship". What does this mean? Was it a tad grey, or was he sending her dick pics through text?
He confessed because of her fathers threats to expose him...Does he really believe his relationship crossed the line or did he bring it to the attention of the elders because he was trying to get ahead of it all?
There are way too many unanswered questions at this point for me to get all dramatic and go scorched earth on him.
If im going to cancel him, and conclude him disqualified from pastoring for the rest of his life, i need something more substantive than vague accusations. I want some real details.
This little sermon seemed more like a lot of assumption and blind speculation than anything else.
A 5 year emotional relationship without physical contact ? Okay 🙄
@dkjazzz Again. This is just speculation. Did he meet her 5 years ago for the first time? Is "5 years" the length of the emotional affair? Were there texts? If so, what were the nature of them? How often, if ever, did they see each other?
He's in his 70s. Is he even capable of having sex? How did the father come to know? Did his daughter go to him? Did he catch them together? Did he see the texts?
Did Steve Lawson confess the relationship was romantic or inappropriate, or is he defending himself.
I want answers before going scorched earth.
Was this appropriate talk?
Profanity is nasty bro.
The communication written by his church seemed to say that they were still praying for repentance to happen. Let's keep that in mind also, as we resist jumping to conclusions.
@chuckwalton2868 This will sound crazy... But I have been in associate reformed, presbyterian for 20 years And I have not listened 21 single sermon by steve lawson. When I heard that he fell into sin.I didn't even know who he was.
So personally, I have no ax to grind.Or motive to defend him.
I just don't think we have had enough information given to us to really judge. So far , the reaction just seems over the top. It really does matter that these questions are answered.If we are gonna erase him and cancel him.
How does this not call into question the P in the acronym TULIP?
It seems like a noble theory but it wrecks on the rocks of practicality.
The proper term is “The final perseverance of the saints”.
Luke 22:31,32
Showing that you really didn't get it. So sad. Praying that by the Sovereign Grace of the Triune God, you will understand and be matured in your faith and hold of Christ.
🙄
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Was that a superior and dismissive wave of the hand or was that a friendly gesture? I noticed that you didn’t really engage with scriptural reasoning.
So would you claim that this sin was the will of God?
God is sovereign after all and as such there is nothing that is done without his will.
Dear Brother,
I understand your concern about the Perseverance of the Saints and how it may seem like a theory that flies in the face of the reality of the Christian life. However, it is crucial to remember that the doctrine is not based on what seems practical on the surface, but on what Scripture teaches.
The Perseverance of the Saints does not mean that a believer will not fail or struggle with sin. Rather, it means that, by the grace of God, those who are truly born again and regenerated by the Holy Spirit will not lose their salvation. This perseverance is not dependent on the believer's strength, but on the power of God that guards his faith. Philippians 1:6 assures us, "He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion at the day of Jesus Christ."
Here are some points to consider:
1 - God's Sovereignty in Salvation: The emphasis is on God sustaining the believer to the end. Romans 8:38-39 says that nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus, implying that those who are in Christ are safe under His love and power.
2 - The Reality of the Struggle: Perseverance of the Saints does not deny that believers may go through times of doubt, sin, and even seem to have strayed. What it does ensure is that, in the end, God restores His children and leads them back to Him. As we see in 1 John 2:19, those who completely fall away prove that they were never truly believers.
3 - The Practicality and Process: On a practical level, many believers struggle with sin, but God continues to work in their hearts. Perseverance is seen in those who, despite their falls, are restored and continue to grow in holiness. Hebrews 12:2 calls Jesus the “author and finisher of our faith,” giving us confidence that He will complete what He began.
A lover of money and the world, a hypocrite to the core. A Godless political waste of intelligence.
O boy Lawson trade in his old Chevrolet for a Mercedes-Benz, imagine 73 yrs sugar daddy with a 25 yrs old ,all u preachers r making excuses for him
How do you know who it was and how old they were? What preachers are making "excuses?" I've yet to see a single pastor or leader condone, exscuse, or explain away what Laweson did.
Wonder what they would say to King David, Samson , Saul, Noah, Abraham, Rahab the harlot et al.
God gave each of these a mention in Hebrews 11 as the 'great men of faith' Not condoning. God saw this coming before Steve Lawson before he was even born, yet still saw fit to lead & encourage many to Christ.
Don't throw the baby out with the muddy bath water.... Restore and encourage after a time of correction and chastisement. We live in unredeemed bodies for now anyway.... Hew ill turn water into wine.
Repentance
+1 repentance
May the Lord grant that he may be restored, but he must bear the stigma of his compromised choice of adultery. Even when by His Grace S.J.L. returns to communion, he is biblically not to do public ministry. "... lest after I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified." 1 Corinthians 9:24-27.