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Better than a weekly visit with a therapist. You always leave me laughing, but also thinking about my own playing and teaching, my priorities, thinking about my methods and philosophy, and questioning all my assumptions and long-held beliefs. Thanks!
Hey, one of the 2.1% female drummers here. Thanks for the shoutout to us - anyone who thinks that females aren’t as good need to watch Yoyoka - she is a treasure. She looks so joyful when playing, which is how I feel on the inside while playing! What it is all about. Joy.
Nice to meet someone from the 2%! LOL. Honestly though sorry that you had people say shit like that to you growing up. I'm hoping my daughter keeps up with the drums and would hate hearing of anyone saying shit like that to her.
The one-liners in this episode continue are great. "A beater revivalist group in Idaho that lands you on the watch list." 🤣😂🤣 Pure gold. Excellent instruction, but definitely topped off nicely by the humor.
My non-expert view is that the “average” female drummer is actually better than the average male drummer, not because of any physical differences but because girls who persist at drumming despite society’s dim view of them work harder.
I’ve always looked at a practice pad as something to warm up on for 30 minutes before hopping in the kit or before a gig. I also use a pad at home if I’m going to watch a movie or something like that. I don’t get really serious about what I work out on it. I pretty much just run through series of singles, doubles, paradiddles. That’s it. I use it as more of tool to keep my hands feeling good. Can’t always get up to the lockout everyday. I also will throw a record on and improvise some musical ideas on the pad at home occasionally. It keeps me feeling connected to a pad musically instead of looking it as this cold, sterile mechanism reserved for only robotic stick control practice regiments.
80/20, we love you brother. Your awesome talent, humility and humor are unmatched. I always learn watching and listening from you and I just wanted to thank you for the great videos.
Yes, king. Dropping banger after banger these days, just wish I had time to watch the whole back catalogue ❤ The analogy you make to lifting is interesting. Always been fascinated by the variation in pre lift rituals people have. Some grip and rip but relaxed and make it work, others take time to compose themselves physically and mentally with a variety of ways, some like an aggressive setup (shit like sniffing salts, backslappery of the topmost tier, etc)
Another great installment which goes deeper than you first think. Great content and really well written and delivered as usuall. I wasn't keen on the mic holding bit. Looked weird as you have not done that before. Maybe there was a reason for it. Great stuff though Nate. Always look forward to these. Dan
My guy, you have no idea how happy you made me just by MENTIONING Keith Moon. He was my inspiration to take drumming from a fun after school activity to exactly what you said at the beginning: a cathartic and deeply emotional experience. The Who's music changed me forever. Though I no longer play like a Keith Moon impersonator, I still find a deep love for his drumming, though I can clearly see its flaws when they appear. Also, it was awesome to see even just a clip of Zak Starkey playing with The Who. The groove of his Dad (Ringo), and the imagination of his godfather (Moon) made for one badass rock drummer, that's for sure. Cheers, Nate :)
Hey 80/20 man.. I am one of these guys who watches for years but never comments and never takes a course (pays you) although I have recommended you to people who have paid you for lessons. As the years go by I keep coming to your channel for tips and inspiration. Please keep up this good work. Dan from Canada.
The 80/20 Drummer oh yeah I’ve watched all of his vids! There’s a random clinic he did that someone filmed in 8 parts that I really like. The limb independence exercises are my favorite
The first 30 seconds were EXACTLY my son's and then my (because my son gave up wanting to learn drums) drum teacher. Then I bought the breakbeat bible and started screwing around by myself. Not necessarily better, but definitely more fun. And that's what it is for, for me at least, as I don't look at it as a career.
Started on practice pad in elementary school at 8 years old. First year nothing but a closet, Chapin book, Rudiments and a Metronome. 52 years later the pain was way worth it.
You're SO right! Giving a drum student sticks and a practice and telling them they have to use that until they get better is like giving a guitar student a guitar with two strings on it and telling them, "When you get better, we'll add the rest of the strings."
Lie #0 : You can be a great player just watching videos ! -> Go play your drum kit, and keep an eye here to see what you can improve :-) Thanx for your thoughts !
12:55 I love you man...I do a drum stream and constantly have to point out how square that version of caravan is compared to say Charly Antolini's version. It's become a running joke at this point.
I feel im ready to try a trigger set up for double bass but im kinda afraid of the clarity it will reveal... still a noob when it comes to recording, and playing for that matter lol
I play on an E-Kit, so I'm working slightly differently than y'all. It's good practice to be able to remove that ghost trigger when you bury the beater. On pure acoustic it doesn't matter so much because that second hit is so quiet. Practicing this has definitely made my kick control way better.
I play either on rock/metal drum kit (Aquarian super kick II and a BIG pillow in the bass drum) either on my jazz 18/14/12 drum kit (high tuned bass drum, nothing inside). Well I quickly learn that there is no universal "you should" or "you shouldn't" concerning the kick :)
4:15 lol rudiments are not the foundation of all drumming. Let's just ignore the west African tradition. Or north India. Or brazil. Might as well say "All of drumming is clearly constituted by Swiss marching snare. Drums never existed until the 1200s". The Eurocentric audacity of the rudiment police 😂 Love the video Nate! Keepin talking about the real sh*t
@@stevechrollo8074 yes exactly, because they are based on groups of notes rather than in the sticking.... If i got the concept correctly and to really sum it up. Anyhow the rudiments are useless imo, is way better to practice groupings engaging the four limbs in all posible orders and combine them.
Another great vid Nate...I know I'd be lost if I couldn't bury the beater...when your band is if the "tune low,play slow" variety.. it's what you do...and as for the whole gigging thing... I/we play music we dig..if we can go out on the road for a few long weekends a year..sell some merch and have someone tell us they dig what we're laying down... it's all good for me...I'm not in this to get rich.. it's just that hitting people is frowned upon,hitting the drums..not so much
Good on ya, mate. I was hot for drums as a kid, (because Gene Krupa, Bill Bruford, Clive Bunker), convinced my parents to buy a snare drum (with a nice pad) and everything. Jr. High band teacher (who was pretty good as a chorus teacher) tried to start me on fricking etudes. I could see learning them now, but then I felt like I was dying. That set me back about 5 years. (Drum circles were what dragged me back in)
In the end it really just all boils down to how passionate you are. When a strong passion is there I don't think it really matters how you learn. You'll find your way, because you really want it. Everybody learns differently and the only constant trait all the legends share is that they LOVE this thing more than anything else. I'm sure you could find 2 legendary drummers out there where Drummer A practiced on a pad while Drummer B did not.
I only play a practise pad because it’s quiet. I prefer a snare drum or toms, but for longer sessions at 90-115 dB, I need ear plugs. I play drums, and I also sing. And there, I love all the ads for “do this and sing twice as high!”, “the secret to head voice”. No, it’s about many many hours of practise, gradually learning what to tense, what to relax, what shape things should be in, and repeat until it’s natural. I do like this channels 80/20 principe push, and that you can research into what really really matters and focus on that, over trying 5 brands of drum sticks to see which ones lets you play faster. :-)
Same on the desire for lower volume practices. I outfitted myself with low volume cymbals and a kick pad, too. I wanted to practice every day without feeling the tension of trying to "play quiet" out of respect for roommates/neighbors. I play my acoustic kit one or two days a week for recording or band rehearsals, and I tune and warm up on those drums for about 30 minutes before the session is scheduled. Like you said, it's not the magical brands of gear, it's really how you interface with the instrument in front of you.
As a new drummer in my late 30s I knew going in that I needed to enjoy practicing or I wouldn't keep playing. I don't know why a drum teacher teaching kids would ever recommend using only a practice pad. I don't know if I'll ever get a gig but I don't really care. Each person needs to decide what they want to get from drumming, and then find the teacher or program or gigs that speaks to them and their goals. If I had started playing as a kid I would have definitely had some of these things going around in my brain. Now I realize that you just need to measure yourself against yourself and decide if it's worth the effort to get better. I totally agree that some people incorrectly focus on things like burying the beater rather than working on timing or cleanliness. Who cares what the kick sounds like if it's in the wrong spot?
I always liked what Achilles, played by Brad Pitt, said to his cousin at the beginning of Troy, whey he was training his cousin on sword work. The cousin did something that Achilles pointed out as wrong, and the cousin pointed out that he's seen Achilles do the same thing in a fight. Achilles said, "once you've mastered what I'm teaching you, you can do what you want. I agree somewhat with an old timey formulaic approach to teaching beginners, but it's also important to teach making your instrument sound right for the song or music. Sometimes the wrong technique can sound just right! Some of the best players have unconventional techniques; a lot of the time because they taught themselves To the pad chops guy: don’t you also need cymbal chops and loosely tuned Tom chops. Oh, and then there’s your feet, better start choppin up your feet
Yes, I can usually tell when drummers started with a pad. They are what I call "top-heavy." They're much better with their hands than they are with their feet.
All the convos about rules mostly stem from areas of inexperience in pursuit of a magical kung-fu battle grip that will unlock the secret to success. Lessons/coaching/mentoring help me find my way through some common obstacles, and the main lessons are learning to not injure yourself doing something you love. Most gigging is about being an available and enjoyable presence in whatever community you find yourself in, and just expanding on those experiences.
Oh yeah, Nate: regarding slicing: The whipped cream roll. I learned it from an interview (maybe in Modern Drummer?) from Ed Shaughnessy from the Tonight Show band in the Carson years. Slicing as technique!
You should take lessons if drums, or any instrument, is your first instrument. After playing piano, trumpet, french horn, and guitar I started on drums. My family said drums were too loud, and I should play guitar. But 2 years after guitar lessons I still sucked. So then at 16, I worked and bought my first drum set and became self taught. One problem with taking lessons, is your instructor will do 2 things: 1) Teach you to play like they do, 2) put constraints up and limit what you can play. Telling you, "you can't play that", even though you just did. So get a good, open minded drum instructor. Even though I'm self taught, it didn't matter so much knowing already how to read music, plus I still practiced my rudiments etc (just not on a practice pad). It's important drummers understand music, and can read music other than drum tab. Luckily, I was a natural on drums, and definitely not on guitar. When I told my guitar teacher I was going to take a break on the guitar lessons, his response was: "Thank God". lol
Time, touch, and feel are absolutely a thing. They are the difference between someone who knows how to play an instrument and a musician. You are not talking into a complete void. Have a nice rest of your day, sir. Keep up the good work.
I was trying to explain time and touch to a non-musician, let alone a non-drummer. Best I could do was pull up a recording of Like a Stone (Audioslave) then random guy on TH-cam playing the "same" beat, but completely lacking the touch and feel of that song. See also, any cover of a Steve Jordan drum track ever, to include my own, even though I like to think I'm not terrible.
Can someone explain to me the lie #2? I'm not a English native speaker and just couldn't understand what the "stick slicing" actually is. Is that about hitting the surface from different direction than straight vertical hit?
I'm a native speaker, and I've played drums 27 years and it took me a minute to figure out this too, I think it means as you do rolls around the kit, instead of an up and down wrist motion on each tom, you go at it sideways, think slicing through air with a lightsaber, maybe? That is my best guess from his example, and I am totally guilty of this!
THANK YOU for mentioning burying the beater. Does anyone really think that the average person or even the average none drummer musician can hear the slight difference in sound?
Sponsorship is a business. Some of the best drummers are not sponsored or change sponsors for reasons of which gear they like or ease of touring. Jonathan Moffett is sponsored but usually doesn't do cymbal Sponsorship because he likes to play a mix. Some companies demand exclusivity as part of the Sponsorship with some allowances to hardware such as pedal or throne.
There is an annual contest, sponsored by leading companies , for girls in different, called HIT LIKE A GIRL. Usually it runs in mid-april. Contestants shall send a video in any quality that is available to them. It can be on the school set in the gym, but there are rich parents try to improve their daughters chances by buying an upper league kit and K cymbals, even hiring a camera pro and setting up a studio with expensive mics. To no avail!!! p.s. you may use a playback track. The jury is top notch and willing to advance girl drumming.
The drum set is not a flat drum, so slicing doesn't matter. You're going to have to slice to play certain parts of your kit depending on how its setup. If you were playing a marching snare drum with like seven other guys and gals, yeah you're probably going to get harped on for slicing, because it's going to create inconsistencies between you and the other six people playing exact same thing. But on drumset it doesn't matter. You literally have to slice sometimes when playing drum set. Your grip isn't going to stay the same the whole time like a flat drum, because your drum set is not completely flat. So many variables that apply to the practice pad or marching percussion just does not apply to drum set. I think a lot of people don't realize the distinction between the two, and apply Knowledge from one to the other haphazardly.
Internet drummers are def legit, however, to me, it seems like internet drummers are mainly known for their ability to solo or play very obtuse music that almost seems like it's written as a platform to solo over, whereas drummers who are known from bands have a more even split between showing off their technical prowess and proving that they can make even the most basic of beats sound incredibly musical at the same time. I don't think you'd see many internet drummers trying to show off a really locked in groove.
I think that's actually a false narrative adopted by drummers who aren't as good as those internet drummers but who have gigs. (Besides you can find footage of every one of the internet hotdoggers playing backbeat with a real band)
@@8020drummer I can see that demographic making that claim. I don't really watch youtube drummers, so maybe it's not a surprise that all the little snippets that I've come across on social media have been only the juciyest fills or solos because they're 10 second videos, but still, if that's what someone who could be a potential viewer sees first, can't blame me for having that first impression before I go and see otherwise.
Hey, you missed Jen Ledger from Skillet in your examples. Hard rock/metal and she kills it on the drums (and sings)! Definitely proof that it's not about physical strength.
Playing good gigs should improve anyones drumming.Gigs do count, unless playing by yourself is all you want to do. Learning to respond in real time can't be learned in a practice room by yourself.
Learning to play with different musicians is always valuable. The sheer number of gigs you play isn't really relevant if none of the other musicians are very good :-)
Drum set from day 1 is the rule. And it should be musical too, not drills. I'd recommend to start with simple phrase on a snare drum, then orchestrate it on snare and toms, Then add bass drum, and finally a bit of dynamics. This aproach demonstrates how easy and fun drums can be.
I just subscribed to your channel. Why? Because one can never go wrong when one can channel the time-space reality warping power of Marvin Gaye. Or Big Ike Hayes.
I’ve never watched a more relatable video wow.. as always, you the best man.
always flattering coming from you
My two favorite TH-camrs 🤯
ZACK!!!!!
@@8020drummer Geez man, why didn't you put Zack in the Lie #6 section? :)
Hey, you're both the best Zack, love both of you pumpkin pies.
Better than a weekly visit with a therapist.
You always leave me laughing, but also thinking about my own playing and teaching, my priorities, thinking about my methods and philosophy, and questioning all my assumptions and long-held beliefs. Thanks!
Hey, it's a support a comment comment! Couldn't be said better)
Hey, one of the 2.1% female drummers here. Thanks for the shoutout to us - anyone who thinks that females aren’t as good need to watch Yoyoka - she is a treasure. She looks so joyful when playing, which is how I feel on the inside while playing! What it is all about. Joy.
Josie K You may be female and a drummer, but you're not a "female drummer". You're a DRUMMER. Don't take any shit from my fellow males…
I learned a very important thing today in drums.....80/20 drummer is damn sexy
As a female drummer I had heard discriminate words from boys who also played drum when I was young.
But like you said, doesn’t give a f*** 🤷♀️ right?
Nice to meet someone from the 2%! LOL.
Honestly though sorry that you had people say shit like that to you growing up. I'm hoping my daughter keeps up with the drums and would hate hearing of anyone saying shit like that to her.
*Sheila E has entered the chat and gives the finger*
*Cindy Blackman Santana has entered the chat* What Sheila said.
I'm so sorry to hear that. Glad you didn't listen to them!
The response is simple:
Play better than them and then ignore their praise when they realise they were wrong😉!
I’m a woman and I am subscribed. :)
Augusta Justice welcome!
Time, touch and feel are everything.
First years of training are just for gathering means of being able to develop time, touch and feel.
The one-liners in this episode continue are great. "A beater revivalist group in Idaho that lands you on the watch list." 🤣😂🤣 Pure gold.
Excellent instruction, but definitely topped off nicely by the humor.
My non-expert view is that the “average” female drummer is actually better than the average male drummer, not because of any physical differences but because girls who persist at drumming despite society’s dim view of them work harder.
Don’t suffer from depression as much as men do.
I’ve always looked at a practice pad as something to warm up on for 30 minutes before hopping in the kit or before a gig. I also use a pad at home if I’m going to watch a movie or something like that. I don’t get really serious about what I work out on it. I pretty much just run through series of singles, doubles, paradiddles. That’s it. I use it as more of tool to keep my hands feeling good. Can’t always get up to the lockout everyday. I also will throw a record on and improvise some musical ideas on the pad at home occasionally. It keeps me feeling connected to a pad musically instead of looking it as this cold, sterile mechanism reserved for only robotic stick control practice regiments.
Ya people who obsess about the pad always play with no dynamics in my experience however its a great warm up tool
Same. I didn't learn drums to sit there feeling bored. The pad is great to warm up with, especially in a dressing room.
i started drumming at the beginning of this month, and you've already helped me so much lol. i'm so glad i found your channel
Signed up today! Been watching the 80/20 episodes for a couple months, great content! Absolutely filled with conversation starters.
80/20, we love you brother. Your awesome talent, humility and humor are unmatched. I always learn watching and listening from you and I just wanted to thank you for the great videos.
Spot on Nate. Best video yet. Time, touch and feel are (almost) everything......!!!
Yes, king. Dropping banger after banger these days, just wish I had time to watch the whole back catalogue ❤
The analogy you make to lifting is interesting. Always been fascinated by the variation in pre lift rituals people have. Some grip and rip but relaxed and make it work, others take time to compose themselves physically and mentally with a variety of ways, some like an aggressive setup (shit like sniffing salts, backslappery of the topmost tier, etc)
Just keep on doing what you're doing. I love your vids, even though I'm just a very moderate rock drummer, you inspire me! Thanks!
Your killing it Bro !
Excellent. As usual, insightful and accessible. Thanks
Your videos are always so fun to watch... LOL Love the drama between drummers
You hit the nail on the head my dude!
Another great installment which goes deeper than you first think. Great content and really well written and delivered as usuall.
I wasn't keen on the mic holding bit. Looked weird as you have not done that before. Maybe there was a reason for it.
Great stuff though Nate. Always look forward to these.
Dan
Love your content! Always have. Always will
You should get a top notch recording set up for social media. Man you are amazing. Love it 😍
Dude your videos are so much entertaining 😂😭
Thanks for vocalizing the educational metaperspective so well!! Can def relate, also in my own teaching
My guy, you have no idea how happy you made me just by MENTIONING Keith Moon. He was my inspiration to take drumming from a fun after school activity to exactly what you said at the beginning: a cathartic and deeply emotional experience. The Who's music changed me forever. Though I no longer play like a Keith Moon impersonator, I still find a deep love for his drumming, though I can clearly see its flaws when they appear. Also, it was awesome to see even just a clip of Zak Starkey playing with The Who. The groove of his Dad (Ringo), and the imagination of his godfather (Moon) made for one badass rock drummer, that's for sure. Cheers, Nate :)
Great video. Spot on!
Got me good on the Whiplash laughs, Nathan. Glad I had no coffee in my yap when those showed up. 😂
It's Nate for a reason
I love this channel!!
Hey 80/20 man.. I am one of these guys who watches for years but never comments and never takes a course (pays you) although I have recommended you to people who have paid you for lessons. As the years go by I keep coming to your channel for tips and inspiration. Please keep up this good work. Dan from Canada.
Good video brother! Appreciate it.
Hell yeah for the Adam Deitch shout out! one of my faves, would love to see him on drumeo
Yea he's great. Did you see his Zildjian Underground?
The 80/20 Drummer oh yeah I’ve watched all of his vids! There’s a random clinic he did that someone filmed in 8 parts that I really like. The limb independence exercises are my favorite
Sheila E is honestly a huge influence on my playing to this day, first introduced me to Latin Grooves, List goes on
Bro I love this guy so much. He's so awesome!
Rocking the ESP shirt!!!!
The first 30 seconds were EXACTLY my son's and then my (because my son gave up wanting to learn drums) drum teacher. Then I bought the breakbeat bible and started screwing around by myself. Not necessarily better, but definitely more fun. And that's what it is for, for me at least, as I don't look at it as a career.
Started on practice pad in elementary school at 8 years old. First year nothing but a closet, Chapin book, Rudiments and a Metronome. 52 years later the pain was way worth it.
You're SO right! Giving a drum student sticks and a practice and telling them they have to use that until they get better is like giving a guitar student a guitar with two strings on it and telling them, "When you get better, we'll add the rest of the strings."
Good stuff as usual.
Lie #0 : You can be a great player just watching videos !
-> Go play your drum kit, and keep an eye here to see what you can improve :-)
Thanx for your thoughts !
All I’ll say is... Your videos aren’t BS 🔥
As a student of the coaching course...Amen to it all.
You are great on what say.
12:55
I love you man...I do a drum stream and constantly have to point out how square that version of caravan is compared to say Charly Antolini's version. It's become a running joke at this point.
I bury the beater and sometimes not. I learned good technique from playing with a bass drum trigger. Itll tattle on you instantly haha
I feel this in my right foot bones.
I feel im ready to try a trigger set up for double bass but im kinda afraid of the clarity it will reveal... still a noob when it comes to recording, and playing for that matter lol
@@t3hgir dont be afraid to check it out. They are awesome! The roland tm2 is awesome. Trying different styles has definitely made me a better drummer
I play on an E-Kit, so I'm working slightly differently than y'all.
It's good practice to be able to remove that ghost trigger when you bury the beater. On pure acoustic it doesn't matter so much because that second hit is so quiet. Practicing this has definitely made my kick control way better.
I’m a guitar player but I’ve been watching these videos for like two years now and I love them. 🤷🏻♂️
Intro music is becoming my favorite part. LOL
Nate's a proper coach. He knows what is and what should be happening
I play either on rock/metal drum kit (Aquarian super kick II and a BIG pillow in the bass drum) either on my jazz 18/14/12 drum kit (high tuned bass drum, nothing inside).
Well I quickly learn that there is no universal "you should" or "you shouldn't" concerning the kick :)
4:15 lol rudiments are not the foundation of all drumming. Let's just ignore the west African tradition. Or north India. Or brazil. Might as well say "All of drumming is clearly constituted by Swiss marching snare. Drums never existed until the 1200s".
The Eurocentric audacity of the rudiment police 😂
Love the video Nate! Keepin talking about the real sh*t
Lmao indian tabla tradition is wayyy more useful for understanding great time and complicated rhythms than western rudiments
Damn your comment reminds me of the recent video Adam Neely made about music theory
@@stevechrollo8074 yes exactly, because they are based on groups of notes rather than in the sticking.... If i got the concept correctly and to really sum it up. Anyhow the rudiments are useless imo, is way better to practice groupings engaging the four limbs in all posible orders and combine them.
Another great vid Nate...I know I'd be lost if I couldn't bury the beater...when your band is if the "tune low,play slow" variety.. it's what you do...and as for the whole gigging thing... I/we play music we dig..if we can go out on the road for a few long weekends a year..sell some merch and have someone tell us they dig what we're laying down... it's all good for me...I'm not in this to get rich.. it's just that hitting people is frowned upon,hitting the drums..not so much
Hell yeah! I teach my students set all day and come to the pad later.
Good on ya, mate. I was hot for drums as a kid, (because Gene Krupa, Bill Bruford, Clive Bunker), convinced my parents to buy a snare drum (with a nice pad) and everything. Jr. High band teacher (who was pretty good as a chorus teacher) tried to start me on fricking etudes. I could see learning them now, but then I felt like I was dying. That set me back about 5 years. (Drum circles were what dragged me back in)
LMAO THAT INTRO JESUS CHRIST that was 100% me before I started at university taking music education classes.
In the end it really just all boils down to how passionate you are. When a strong passion is there I don't think it really matters how you learn. You'll find your way, because you really want it. Everybody learns differently and the only constant trait all the legends share is that they LOVE this thing more than anything else. I'm sure you could find 2 legendary drummers out there where Drummer A practiced on a pad while Drummer B did not.
I only play a practise pad because it’s quiet. I prefer a snare drum or toms, but for longer sessions at 90-115 dB, I need ear plugs.
I play drums, and I also sing. And there, I love all the ads for “do this and sing twice as high!”, “the secret to head voice”. No, it’s about many many hours of practise, gradually learning what to tense, what to relax, what shape things should be in, and repeat until it’s natural. I do like this channels 80/20 principe push, and that you can research into what really really matters and focus on that, over trying 5 brands of drum sticks to see which ones lets you play faster. :-)
Same on the desire for lower volume practices. I outfitted myself with low volume cymbals and a kick pad, too. I wanted to practice every day without feeling the tension of trying to "play quiet" out of respect for roommates/neighbors. I play my acoustic kit one or two days a week for recording or band rehearsals, and I tune and warm up on those drums for about 30 minutes before the session is scheduled. Like you said, it's not the magical brands of gear, it's really how you interface with the instrument in front of you.
This is amazing
That's why I don't teach like a normal drum teacher
I'm actually writing my thesis on how to teach Drums to a beginner. !!!!
As a new drummer in my late 30s I knew going in that I needed to enjoy practicing or I wouldn't keep playing. I don't know why a drum teacher teaching kids would ever recommend using only a practice pad.
I don't know if I'll ever get a gig but I don't really care. Each person needs to decide what they want to get from drumming, and then find the teacher or program or gigs that speaks to them and their goals.
If I had started playing as a kid I would have definitely had some of these things going around in my brain. Now I realize that you just need to measure yourself against yourself and decide if it's worth the effort to get better. I totally agree that some people incorrectly focus on things like burying the beater rather than working on timing or cleanliness. Who cares what the kick sounds like if it's in the wrong spot?
Dude you danced and made fun of whiplash or whatever happened with whiplash not quite my tempo. Great video. It checked all the boxes
I am compelled to bury the beater, especially a wooden one . Seriously, well done video. Whiplash Hahahaha 😂😂😂😂😂
I always liked what Achilles, played by Brad Pitt, said to his cousin at the beginning of Troy, whey he was training his cousin on sword work. The cousin did something that Achilles pointed out as wrong, and the cousin pointed out that he's seen Achilles do the same thing in a fight. Achilles said, "once you've mastered what I'm teaching you, you can do what you want. I agree somewhat with an old timey formulaic approach to teaching beginners, but it's also important to teach making your instrument sound right for the song or music. Sometimes the wrong technique can sound just right! Some of the best players have unconventional techniques; a lot of the time because they taught themselves
To the pad chops guy: don’t you also need cymbal chops and loosely tuned Tom chops. Oh, and then there’s your feet, better start choppin up your feet
Yes, I can usually tell when drummers started with a pad. They are what I call "top-heavy." They're much better with their hands than they are with their feet.
All the convos about rules mostly stem from areas of inexperience in pursuit of a magical kung-fu battle grip that will unlock the secret to success. Lessons/coaching/mentoring help me find my way through some common obstacles, and the main lessons are learning to not injure yourself doing something you love. Most gigging is about being an available and enjoyable presence in whatever community you find yourself in, and just expanding on those experiences.
Nice Hoodie, Nate
Great vid.
Oh yeah, Nate: regarding slicing: The whipped cream roll. I learned it from an interview (maybe in Modern Drummer?) from Ed Shaughnessy from the Tonight Show band in the Carson years. Slicing as technique!
Has anyone watched video of Philly Joe Jones? Rolling in one direction, then the opposite? That's not slicing??
I'm a simple guy, I see lie and Lars Ulrich, I click.
Seeing that syncopation for the modern drummer book unlocked memories I completely forgot 🫠
Time, touch and Feel = Ringo.
You should take lessons if drums, or any instrument, is your first instrument. After playing piano, trumpet, french horn, and guitar I started on drums. My family said drums were too loud, and I should play guitar. But 2 years after guitar lessons I still sucked. So then at 16, I worked and bought my first drum set and became self taught. One problem with taking lessons, is your instructor will do 2 things: 1) Teach you to play like they do, 2) put constraints up and limit what you can play. Telling you, "you can't play that", even though you just did. So get a good, open minded drum instructor. Even though I'm self taught, it didn't matter so much knowing already how to read music, plus I still practiced my rudiments etc (just not on a practice pad). It's important drummers understand music, and can read music other than drum tab. Luckily, I was a natural on drums, and definitely not on guitar. When I told my guitar teacher I was going to take a break on the guitar lessons, his response was: "Thank God". lol
Time, touch, and feel are absolutely a thing. They are the difference between someone who knows how to play an instrument and a musician. You are not talking into a complete void. Have a nice rest of your day, sir. Keep up the good work.
I was trying to explain time and touch to a non-musician, let alone a non-drummer. Best I could do was pull up a recording of Like a Stone (Audioslave) then random guy on TH-cam playing the "same" beat, but completely lacking the touch and feel of that song. See also, any cover of a Steve Jordan drum track ever, to include my own, even though I like to think I'm not terrible.
Not a drummer, been enjoying your content for a hot minute. Keep it up.
Louis Cole and PocketQueen are some of the drummers who inspired me to pick up the drumsticks. And 80/20 drummer ofc.
You're sick man
This. Is awesome.
Can someone explain to me the lie #2? I'm not a English native speaker and just couldn't understand what the "stick slicing" actually is. Is that about hitting the surface from different direction than straight vertical hit?
Bartosz Dolewski yes.
Yeah it’s about ur sticking coming down at the head at an angle, as apposed to like the stick going straight up and down off the head.
sean mccune thanks, all clear now!
I'm a native speaker, and I've played drums 27 years and it took me a minute to figure out this too, I think it means as you do rolls around the kit, instead of an up and down wrist motion on each tom, you go at it sideways, think slicing through air with a lightsaber, maybe? That is my best guess from his example, and I am totally guilty of this!
Never thought I'd see Bruce Forsyth in one of your videos.
THANK YOU for mentioning burying the beater. Does anyone really think that the average person or even the average none drummer musician can hear the slight difference in sound?
Neuromuscular memory and motor learning is what is important as far as physiology isconcerned. Muscle fiber type will only play a part in endurance.
Sponsorship is a business. Some of the best drummers are not sponsored or change sponsors for reasons of which gear they like or ease of touring. Jonathan Moffett is sponsored but usually doesn't do cymbal Sponsorship because he likes to play a mix. Some companies demand exclusivity as part of the Sponsorship with some allowances to hardware such as pedal or throne.
That intro hit a little close to home :p
There is an annual contest, sponsored by leading companies , for girls in different, called HIT LIKE A GIRL.
Usually it runs in mid-april. Contestants shall send a video in any quality that is available to them. It can be on the school set in the gym, but there are rich parents try to improve their daughters chances by buying an upper league kit and K cymbals, even hiring a camera pro and setting up a studio with expensive mics.
To no avail!!! p.s. you may use a playback track. The jury is top notch and willing to advance girl drumming.
The drum set is not a flat drum, so slicing doesn't matter. You're going to have to slice to play certain parts of your kit depending on how its setup.
If you were playing a marching snare drum with like seven other guys and gals, yeah you're probably going to get harped on for slicing, because it's going to create inconsistencies between you and the other six people playing exact same thing.
But on drumset it doesn't matter. You literally have to slice sometimes when playing drum set. Your grip isn't going to stay the same the whole time like a flat drum, because your drum set is not completely flat.
So many variables that apply to the practice pad or marching percussion just does not apply to drum set.
I think a lot of people don't realize the distinction between the two, and apply Knowledge from one to the other haphazardly.
Sean LaMontagne 👆👆this
Playing heel up, bouncing that beater saves joint pain, and also I keep my spring as low as possible
Internet drummers are def legit, however, to me, it seems like internet drummers are mainly known for their ability to solo or play very obtuse music that almost seems like it's written as a platform to solo over, whereas drummers who are known from bands have a more even split between showing off their technical prowess and proving that they can make even the most basic of beats sound incredibly musical at the same time. I don't think you'd see many internet drummers trying to show off a really locked in groove.
I think that's actually a false narrative adopted by drummers who aren't as good as those internet drummers but who have gigs. (Besides you can find footage of every one of the internet hotdoggers playing backbeat with a real band)
@@8020drummer I can see that demographic making that claim. I don't really watch youtube drummers, so maybe it's not a surprise that all the little snippets that I've come across on social media have been only the juciyest fills or solos because they're 10 second videos, but still, if that's what someone who could be a potential viewer sees first, can't blame me for having that first impression before I go and see otherwise.
Youre the most serious TH-cam Drummer.
3 years on a pad and snare drum before even owning a kit. I retrospect, I too was duped!
I only spent three months on the practice pad
but then, it only took me eight driving lessons before I passed my test....
Damn, I'm a trombone player and I want to study drums with you after watching your videos! (I don't even own a kit)
Progressive steps to syncopation for the modern drummer, that brings back memories.
Stop yelling at me.
Sorry 😅
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I started on the kit
This is a great video... but Whiplash is my favourite movie :'(
Love your content, Nate!
rofl the first 45 seconds of this is soooooo spot on
4:02 what is a back fulcrum?
Hey, you missed Jen Ledger from Skillet in your examples. Hard rock/metal and she kills it on the drums (and sings)! Definitely proof that it's not about physical strength.
9:45 yea... Man ....
Playing good gigs should improve anyones drumming.Gigs do count, unless playing by yourself is all you want to do. Learning to respond in real time can't be learned in a practice room by yourself.
Don't be a legend in your own living room.
Learning to play with different musicians is always valuable. The sheer number of gigs you play isn't really relevant if none of the other musicians are very good :-)
Drum set from day 1 is the rule. And it should be musical too, not drills. I'd recommend to start with simple phrase on a snare drum, then orchestrate it on snare and toms, Then add bass drum, and finally a bit of dynamics. This aproach demonstrates how easy and fun drums can be.
What does slicing your sticks means
Sticks flying at randim angles instead of strictly vertical
I just subscribed to your channel. Why? Because one can never go wrong when one can channel the time-space reality warping power of Marvin Gaye.
Or Big Ike Hayes.