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Tim Duncan is proof old school players could be successful in the NBA today not flashy but effective
Agreed, what was special about Duncan was that his average didn't come from the median of highs and lows. He consistantly got 20+, 10+, and rarely got less or way more.
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Except in 03 and 04. He was maxing out in stats those years.
@@TheIcemanthomas like a 2k character lol
His ability to lead a team elevates him in the rankings in my opinion. Its a team sport and its a characteristic that goes widely unrecognized for fair weather fans of any sport.
I love Tim Duncan's game. I always thought he would have been a perfect fit on the 80s Boston Celtics.
Good catch
McHale goes back to six man, Duncan starts at PF? There's your super team!
No...he was a perfect fit here in San Antonio. Thank you very much. You guy's had you're chance in '86 with len bias that dude would had gotten you guy's even more titles. But you didn't watch him...such a tragedy...
Some would say he was “actually “ a perfect fit for San Antonio lol
He would because he's the type of player that would fit on any team in any time. That's part of what makes him so great.
I have Duncan as 2nd best player ever behind MJ
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Yeah, me too!!!
Me too
This is a legitimate argument and I've also been able to justify this conclusion. For now I have him third behind Mike and Lebron, but you can make an argument that Duncan is above Lebron since he's dominated the head to head post season matchups.
Bunch of smart people here In the comments I'm surprised....I guess everyone here saw how hard the Spurs we're during Timmy's big three rain. The man had 20 year's of 50 plus win seasons never missing the playoffs. Could had easily won more than 5 titles. Pop literally gave away the 2013 title than the 2019 title when he traded kawi Leonard.
Since the Naismith College Player of the year was established, in 1969, there were some really notable winners. Among those:
1969, Lew Alcindor; 1970, Pete Maravich; 1971, Austin Carr; 1972-1974, Bill Walton; 1979, Larry Bird; 1981-1983, Ralph Sampson; 1984, Michael Jordan; 1985, Patrick Ewing; 1992, Christian Laettner;
From 1997:
1997, Tim Duncan; 1998, Antawn Jamison; 1999, Elton Brand; 2000, Kenyon Martin; 2001, Shane Battier; 2002, Jason Williams; 2003, T. J. Ford; 2004, Jameer Nelson; 2005, Andrew Bogut; 2006, JJ Redick; 2007, Kevin Durant; 2008, Tyler Hansbrough; 2009, Blake Griffin; 2010, Evan Turner; 2011, Jimmer Fredette; 2012, Anthony Davis; 2013, Trey Burke; 2014, Doug McDermott; 2015, Frank Kaminsky; 2016, Buddy Hield; 2017, Frank Mason III; 2018, Jalen Brunson; 2019, Zion Williamson; 2020, Obi Toppin; 2021, Luka Garza; 2022, Oscar Tshiebwe.
I'd say that most of those have had nice careers :D
It's difficult to measure Tim Duncan's intangible qualities - like how he made everyone around him play better.
You've played team sports, so I'm sure you've experienced those guys who just have that effect on their teammates - they bring the best out of them, and it feels great being part of the team with them. You know you can count on them to give 100% every time, and the example they set encourages you to act similarly.
Bill Russell was the player most like Tim Duncan that we're seen. Amazing defensive players who had an aura of excellence about them, and also happened to be the strong quiet type. The type of player you build a dynasty around.
Duncan was better on offense though.
Question 1: I'm taking Duncan over Shaq
Question 2: Phil Jackson, Popovich, Red Auerbach, Pat Riley, George Karl. A lot of folks might pick Chuck Daly, but he's disqualified in my book for allowing his team to walk off without shaking hands with the Bulls in 1991 - illustrating a failure to instill character and sportsmanship in his players.
Fundamentally, you couldn't get any better than Duncan. He #9 on my all-time list. He was a professor of basketball. Great vid and reaction as always bro!
A guy with 5 rings is #9??? Really??? Anything under #5 is utter disrespect...
@@sportschool3537 That's the Dumbest argument I've ever heard. K.C. Jones has 8 World championships as a player. Robert Horry got 7 rings. Are they're in your top 10 all time??? They're not even in the Top 75.
@@aramhamparian9641 Was K.C Jones a superstar that was the best player on his team? Was Horry? NO... but Duncan was you imbecile... holy shit you're dumb!!!
Please don't answer... just reading your comments makes me lose brain cells and I value mine unlike you that don't really value the 3 brain cells you got left...
@@aramhamparian9641 at worst Timmy d is top 7
Timmy is the GOAT period. 9? Only a retard would say nonsense as that. Duncan, then kareem, then Russell, then bird. But era are hard to judge so maybe you go top 5 by position so duncan/russell/bird/jordan/stockton
I think people who've played and understand team sports value guys like Duncan very highly. I think fans who haven't don't care. It's hard to expla9in to someone the intagibles that Duncan brought. He's my GOAT. Basketball is a 5 on 5 game and if I had to pick one player to start a team and a culture and I wanted titles .. I'd pick Timmy. I really do think he was that special. (Not a Spurs fan by the way I'm from Chicago)
YESSSSS I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!! YOU FINALLY DID THE TIM DUNCAN REACTION!!!!
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Ima huge laker fan and have been since the 80's..with that said do yall remember "hack a shaq"????.... I'll take Tim every time..
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@@HenDawgTV nah that Ray Allen shot was some bs
@@HenDawgTV where does the Allen shot rank for me? Nonexsistent
@@j.w.971 yeah xd
I would have to go Duncan over Shaq but honestly I just would be happy as hell to have either... 🍀
All substance. No flash. Greatest PF all time for a reason. That man was UNFLAPPABLE. Love my guys reaction vids.
Timmie is GREATER in legacy than Hakeem who is my fave center all time.
He is ahead of Kobe. Highs and lows man. Chips aside Tim made his team a contender EVERY season for the most part. You could pencil in 48-52 wins. Kobe had a Lebron 2011 in 2004 and he QUIT on his team against the Suns.
Timmie is a BETTER LEADER than Nick …I mean Kobe 😉😎
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What a smart take. Couldn't had said better myself.
@@oronasundial I adhere to the truth sir 🤝🏾😎
@@michaeltrenier I just remembered what jordon said after the last dance in '98. This after the 99 season ended. At a camp they asked him who's the best in the league? And what player could match you in title's maybe?...he guessed than said Timmy Duncun. And wow how accurate was that take. He could've said Kobe but he didn't and sure enough it was Timmy who had the longest peak. It was Timmy who made his team better. It was Timmy who had his sixth title in his grasp before being sat down with 28 seconds left in 2013. But showed the entire world in 2014 why trying to cheat you're way to the top will always be exposed for what it is. The Spurs Shot over 80 percent at one point in that finals series. Winning several games by 20 points...that's honestly the best team play shooting I'd ever seen. The announcers we're in absolute shock..
People forgets that Kobe quit on his team vs the sun's that year and just mumble all this mamba mentality stuff smh
Easiest question you have ever posted. Duncan over Shaq. Not one moment of hesitation.
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Shaq v. Duncan: I'd take Duncan, for the simple reason that his prime lasted longer than Shaq's. Normally, you might take the guy with the shorter prime if it meant you'd win titles (because flags fly forever), but you don't have that problem with Duncan v. Shaq, because prime Duncan *_also_* won titles. So you wouldn't be trading titles for longevity... you'd be getting titles *_and_* longevity.
Duncan was also the better teammate. No drama, no ego, just consistency and results.
@@MrVvulf Dude, it's simple... think about this... Shaq won 3 of his 4 with Kobe... now imagine Timmy and Kobe on the same team... HOLY FUCKING SHITBALLS!!! They'd win 10 in a row... seriously... who the fuck would stop Timmy and Kobe on the same team???
Timmy was far better than Shaq.... not even close... not to mention that even when Shaq beat Timmy in the playoffs in 2002, Timmy outplayed Shaq but the Spurs didn't have anyone to match Kobe's production...
@@sportschool3537 big facts
Prime Shaq vs Prime Duncan? Duncan every time. Duncan made everyone around him better. Duncan was a stone-cold killer in the low post AND the high post. Duncan knew how to finish and when to make the extra pass. Duncan worked his ass off and set the example of being coachable and being a team first guy. Top 5 all-time coaches (in no particular order, at all levels): Popovich, Perry Reese (Hiland High School, Ohio), Jerry Sloan, Paul Westhead (LMU), K. C. Jones, (and a bonus 6th), Pat Riley. Tim Duncan is my all-time starter at PF. I think Duncan played it better than anyone else (and McHale is #2 on that list).
The most disregarded player in the top 10. Always disrespected by fans of kg, Kobe and shaq. People love to only speak on his accolades because of the team and forget how DOMINANT that man was as an individual talent. People swear basic is bad and it doesn’t make sense to me. Kareem has the same issue. If it ain’t explosive athleticism or flashy flair, causals can’t appreciate it. Oh and Duncan is better as a talent than Hakeem or Kobe but career wise it’s a convo on who had the better career. I say Kobe>Duncan>Hakeem. But Kobe fans make it seem much farther than it actually is.
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@@Henry-fn1zw Nice argument. Super intelligent
@@jermainezinnerman7450 thx✌️, Kobe>>>>>>>
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I think the issue with Kobe having a making the case is that his case would be very similar to Michael Jordan’s, even if you think Kobe is better than Tim Duncan the case for Tim Duncan is more unique
I think that's exactly right: that whatever you would say for Kobe, you would also say for MJ. So you might be able to argue Kobe over Duncan, or Kobe over Bird, etc., but it would be hard to find an angle to argue Kobe over MJ because they're the same kind of player (and therefore more directly comparable). Similar issue with Shaq. Even if you could argue why Shaq might be better than Russell or Duncan, it's harder to see how you might argue he was better than Chamberlain, because he was too similar to Chamberlain...
He meant to say the Spurs had the highest winning percentage ever in any sport since 97' before Duncan was drafted. Not all time
Tim Duncan, April 25, 1976 (age 47 years) Kevin Garnett, May 19, 1976 (age 47 years). Almost 1 month apart
Top 5 coaches (chronologically): Red Auerbach, Jerry Sloan, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich.
The memorial day miracle was the greatest shot I've ever seen in my lifetime. #32 Sean Elliott San Antonio Spurs .
To Me Tim Duncan is the Absolute GOAT and My #1 for Best Players of All Time
Duncan and Garnett are about the same age (both born in the spring of 1976), but Garnett started in the league a couple of years before Duncan, because Garnett came straight out of high school. Picking between them, I'd take Duncan, but it's pretty close. I think the top PFs of all-time rank really close to each other (the others including Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, and Dirk Nowitzki).
Ginobili just made the HOF Probably more to do with his international play than NBA
Probably but his an all nba class player 6 years straight
Here's the list of winner of the naismith player of the year since 1997:
1998 Antawn jamison
1999 Elton brand
2000 Kenyon martin
2001 Shane battier
2002 Jay williams
2003 T.J Ford
2004 Jameer nelson
2005 Andrew bogut
2006 J.J Redick
2007 Kevin Durant
2008 Tyler hansbrough
2009 Blake griffin
2010 Evan Turner
2011 Jimmer fredette
2012 Anthony Davis
2013 Trey burke
2014 Doug mcdermott
2015 Frank Kaminsky
2016 Buddy hield
2017 Frank mason
2018 Jalen Brunson
2019 Zion Williamson
2020 Obi toppin
2021 Luka Garza
2022 Oscar tshiebwe
And there has been all time greats getting this title before for example:
Bill walton in 1973 and 74
David thompson in 1975
Larry bird in 1979
Mark aguirre in 1980
Ralph sampson in 1981, 1982 and 1983
Michael jordan in 1984
Patrick ewings in 1985
David robinson in 1987
Danny manning in 1988
Larry johnson in 1991
Christian laettner in 1992
Gleen robinson in 1994
and marcus camby in 1996
(raises hand) I've watched your reactions to all 8 of the GOAT player "Making the Case" videos!
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Started as Showtime fan but that led me to be a Kobe/Shaq fan but meant I saw Duncan most playoffs. If I was making all time team I’d put Duncan at PF. Until this video had Duncan as #3 center behind Kareem & Hakeem but Duncan deserves #2 spot.
Coaches ranking Red, Phil, Greg & Pat Riley each led different stars to rings.
Tim Duncan was the first overall pick 1997
Coaching Mount Rushmore (no order) Red Aurbach, Phil Jackson, Popavich, Pat Riley, Chuck Daily (BAD BOYS FOR LIFE!)
Barcelona is f-ing amazing. my favorite city in Europe to visit hands down.
Pop’s coaching and front office tree runs the deepest and most successful, followed by Pat’s, Red third because fewer teams and he had the best players and Phil, he’s successful with the triangle but which coaches under him ever left and had success running that system not to mention his players as well. Pop and Pat were able to adapt their coaching styles, obviously Pop coached longer so he did so to a deeper level both have successful coaching tree’s although Pops is much more deeply rooted and includes front office staff as well, Phil ran the triangle no adaptability whatsoever. Tim easy btw Pop holds the record for regular and playoff wins as well.
That shot is bleach in my eyes.
I would not compare them because of different skill sets, and different positions. I'll give you my top 10 that I would pick to have my all time greatest team to see where he . My starting 5 would be c Wilt Chamberlain pf Tim Duncan sf Larry Bird sg Michael Jordan pg magic Johnson. And off the bench Bill Russell, Shaq, Kobe ,doctor j, LeBron and Allen Iverson . Kareem and Kevin Durant as my reserves. Maybe I'm dumb but I just look at it differently. It's hard for me to compare players in different positions . Shaq and Tim were two completely different players with different roles. I guess what I'm trying to say is. If I'm picking a center. I would never choose Tim over Shaq and it's not even close. Just like I would never choose Shaq over Tim in the power forward position . That would not be close either. I would not choose Shaq over KG for power forward, and KG didn't make my all time great squad and I'm not trying to down play his KG . He was a force of nature. A monster baller with an attitude that fits in NBA. He was fearless. And believe me that's a compliment. Back in high school playing NBA 2k .If I could not pick up Duncan the I was picking up KG. So mad respect for KG
Start a game? Bird.
Start a season? Jordan.
Start a franchise? Duncan.
Top five coaches in no real order: Pop, Pat Riley, K.C. Jones, Phil Jackson, Red Auerbach
18:20 That damn shot hurts every time I see it
No ones picking KG!!
I have to say...you went the total wrong way with this one...you asked for Naismith winners since 97...but you should have asked for winners before 97...the mid-90's is when the best stopped going to college...KG in 95, Kobe (and Jermaine O'neal) in 96 and it goes on from there...but Tim started college before that started happening (and yes, it was only 2years…93…before high schoolers started jumping...but I remember watching this live...and Tim was known for being an elite swimmer...and needed college to get his basketball skills sharpened to what they ended up being)...so you should be comparing him to the players that won that trophy before 97...not after...
I feel u
Top five coaches: Pat Riley, Greg Popovich, Jeff Van Gundy, Eric Spoelstra, and Rick Alderman.
I'm picking Timmy, you ever heard of hack a Tim. Shaq was dominant for sure but only 3 ft from the rim. Timmy was money all over the court
Hakeem isn't in the top 8??? That's INSANE!!! Hakeem is best center BY FAR!!! Better scorer,better defender,just BETTER! LOL
1st pick on the all time draft...Bird, Magic or Duncan.
They were ready to win from day 1!
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Super late to see this video, but his winning percentage is *kind of* true. 71%. But if you're going to consider which players had a higher winning percentage than him, it's Manu and Parker (or I think it's Kawhi). Both Spurs.
Pop
Auerbach
Jackson
Riley
5th is a personal favorite for me, Alex Hannum. But you could easily put Sloan, Daly, Brown, etc here as well.
The reason I have Pop #1 is because He did what the others didn't... Win in a tiny market with less star power and with less money. His coaching tree is also far superior to Jackson's. Has Jackson produced a single quality coach? I personally consider Kerr a Pop disciple, not jackson and you can tell by the way the Warriors play basketball. They play Spurs basketball, not Bulls or Lakers basketball. They don't play iso or triangle much.
I’d keep Tim Duncan over Shaq.
Tim Duncan>Kevin Garnett. Kevin has comparable stats, some better, but Tim had one stat that means more than the rest: 5 of them thangs that wouldn't have happened without his calm, intelligent, collaborative, patient, tenacious, clutch, unwavering leadership. Kevin isn't top 10 all time. Tim is nearly universally recognized as the greatest power forward to ever touch a basketball. The Big Fundamental.
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Tim was better than Hakeem or Kobe. Not by a crazy amount, but was better than both.
The answer is always Tim Duncan
You can take Timmy and swap him with any of the other possible 🐐s teams and youd get equal if not better results. But if you take the other possibly 🐐s and swap them with Duncan on those Spurs teams would you still get equal or greater results? To me the answer is no.
I only watched this video to see if you became a Tim believer or not!
Most def!
I don't know about the rest of you but I didn't see Dirks or Garnett's numbers being better than Tim Duncans
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Tim took pay cuts Shaq wouldn’t. Just saying, it’s something
Barsolona....hosted the '92 Olympics...you know had this Lil basketball team called the DREAM TEAM....you know just the Greatest TEAM of all Time that's all...B.t.w. Timmy had the highest and longest winning percentage in sport's from '97-2016. He never missed the playoffs barely lossed once In finals only because he was sitting down those last 28 seconds in game 6 2013. Duncan is only one who was the closest to tieing Jordan's six rings against much harder opponents and super team's. Kobe was also second best. Better than LeBron. K.G. who could never even beat Timmy much in less match him. That's why he had to join a super team in 2008. Super team's might win you one or two but that's it. You're never going to build a dynasty that way. You have to have a strong foundation from the draft. And we in San Antonio had that already with our '87 draft pick, David Robinson, Timmy was the last piece of the puzzle. He's the reason why the Spurs won in the first place.
I'm from San Antonio, but I hate Kobe don't have one, at the time, look at Duncan accolades and tell me Hakeem still better lmao
27:41 Retrospectively, for my money, Popovich is the goat coach, but the longer the Spurs DONT make the playoffs (it’s been 3 years straight now), I’m going with Phil Jackson as the goat coach.
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As an aside, can we PLEASE explain how Lebron leapfrogged Tim Magic Kareem Russell Wilt and Tim Duncan to get to number two? Tim has MORE CHIPS with ROLE PLAYERS over the same span of time.
Just sayin 😉😎🤷🏾♂️
Bron ain’t number 2 in my book 🤷🏾♂️
@@HenDawgTV yep! I meant like the media narrative. Like they just straight disrespect Kareem Duncan Wilt etc
@@michaeltrenier Lebron has cheated big time in that ladder because even though he's obviously a phenomenal player (all top 10 players ever obviously are) his career is 80% media hype and 20% real accomplishments... even his rings don't count as much as others... I mean he teamed up with Wade and Bosh... Imagine Kobe teaming up with Garnett and Pierce but in their primes (2 of the 3-4 best in the league plus one more superstar)... like 26-27 years old... they'd win every single year without breaking a sweat... how about Timmy teaming up with Kobe or KG? Again... ring every year without breaking a sweat... when LeDiva did the same he won 2 out of 4 and lost to 37-38 year old Timmy by a RECORD MARGIN in the history of the Finals... like seriously... that's the most humiliating loss in Finals history by a mile... and the second most humiliating? 2011... again Lebron... against Dirk who was playing with old vets AND was playing sick with the flu AND had broken a finger in game 3...
Picking Duncan over Bron to win rings is a no-brainer...
@@sportschool3537 AGREED on ALL COUNTS sir.
My ultimate starting 5 would be Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Nikola Jokic, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird.
If he was more exciting hed be in everyone's top 5.
Tim Duncan I believe is the only player who turned down the opportunity to come out early not only did he choose to try his efforts in college but he stayed for a full four years I think that says a lot about Tim Duncan as a competitor
Hakeem WAY BETTER than Duncan!!! NO WAY Duncan is top 8!!! Maybe top 20
Tim duncan is literally Hakeem though with just good team mates better coach and played it safe like a choke chess game
Phil Jackson, Pat Reilly, K.C. Jones, Chuck Daly, Lenny Wilkins
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Man. Kobe fans are insufferable.
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I always liked Hakeem Olajuwon over Tim Duncan, but they were both very good. Not necessarily top 5, but still elite.
Top coach... I probably go Pat Riley but obviously Pop is amazing.
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Steph Curry is SOOOOO OVERRATED! Almost as overrated as Tim Duncan!!! Lol
Think if Lebron would have played 4 yrs of college!!!! 35-9-8!!!
Great point about Hakeem! Tim Duncan was NOT better than Hakeem. Tim is MAYBE the best PF ever....he certainly won a lot. But honestly I'd take Charles Barkley over Duncan as Barkley was a better player. Duncan was a better defender sure, but Charles was much better offensively. Barkley just had the displeasure as other legends like John Stockton, Karl Malone, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, etc etc of guys to get stonewalled by Michael Jordan. I don't like Karl Malone as a person but as a player? He's better than Duncan too. He would have had 5 FREAKING SCORING TITLES if it wasn't for Jordan. He probably would have racked up another MVP or two as well and certainly a couple titles. That just goes to show how great Jordan and the Bulls were. You could NOT get past them when MJ was himself.
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ofcourse he was better than hakeem...