NEVER Use AUX Tracks in Pro Tools AGAIN!!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.พ. 2022
- Ryan Summers demonstrates the use for Instrument tracks in Pro Tools to elevate production with automation clips.
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Been using Pro Tools for 20 years, this is probably the first time someone's shown me something I'd never seen before in quite some time.
Very cool.
Same here!!!!
I created this cool double sidechain method I think that you’d find interesting. Im gonna make a video on it.
Same for me !!!
OH MY WORD!!!!! MIND BLOWN! I may be a Pro Tools nerd but this information provided in your video is AMAZING! My mind is going a million miles a min thinking of ways I can use this info. Thank you so much for sharing this. I am so excited to get started. I just finished a project and was getting ready to start my next one and I am so glad I watched this first. You are always so innovative and I appreciate you taking the time to share your gift and talent. ~ Tree
Very kind, thank you Teresea! 👊🖐
This was a real game changing tutorial. Thank you so much for sharing. It’s been a long time since someone blew my mind with a workflow enhancement like that.
But now I have to go rebuild all my templates with instrument tracks! I think that aux tracks will continue to exist to some degree until instrument tracks can also become folder tracks.
Being able to just trim the clips and have multiple lanes of automation follow is the killer blow here. Huge tip, thank you!
Thank you I have had this video in my watchlist for months its definitely advanced and it makes sense for those working in post production or thorough DAW experience . I liked and subscribed
Genius!! I've been around Pro Tools since PT 7.4 and have done courses and classes and watches videos about it but never have seen things like this. Thank you
This showed up in my recommendations today. AMAZING tips! Thanks for sharing.
Very cool. PT user since V5. Best thing I've learned in ages. Be good if you could crossfade between the regions.
Switching automation playlists on Mac is done by using Command+Control+click on the plugin or track parameter.
Thanks! Solid Gold Pro Tip and a potential MONSTER extra technique for Atmos mixing. Sharing like this makes the community extra creative!
I thought I would never reconsider going back to Pro Tools, but after this video, I will definitely going to recheck how it is right now. I stopped using PT since version 10.
Wow! This is really cool. Watched the Video last week and immediately changed all my templates to instrument tracks. As I am in post - doing a lot of documentaries I also set up Instrument Tracks for my DX tracks. One is fed by the even, the other one by the odd DX tracks. All Plug ins are on the two DX Instrument tracks. This makes it so easy to copy automation when characters reappear in the same acoustic setting...
This, information is absolutely genius and brand NEW to so many "Pros". It's only a short matter of time before all the TH-cam proTools educators, rehash this video as their own! Bless you for sharing this wonderful information. Keep Doing it! And we all know, we heard it here first!
THANK YOU!
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Appreciate this. Thank you.
Never thought of that i could use a bus for input on instrument tracks. What a great idea. Thanks!
awesome ish found my own way to work with it but you was the inspiration for that workflow give thanks much blessings
Excellent idea and technique, amazing, thank you for sharing
Really cool! Thank you for sharing this method!!!
Hi Ryan very interesting video. I remember going through your class when you taught at full sail, very fun.. I’m two months away from graduation, this was a really cool video on not using auxes
You just blew my mind. Thank you
Wooooow, powerful, thanks a lot for sharing. I wasn't looking for this, but it's a great find.
So many Pro Tools tutorials here, and then someone come and blow up a bank. Awesome content sir! Easy to predict a big success to your channel. Thank you!
This is absolutely amazing
A DAW having different types of tracks to choose from in 2022 is simply mind-blowing.
Thanks for this great tip Ryan. Nice to see you sharing your vast knowledge.
Hello, Paul! Thanks to checking in. 🙏 creating tutorial content is pretty much second nature by now. 😉
@@6DaysLtd Giving lectures as a professor for so many years has you looking very natural in this role. Great subjects.
Amazing! Just what Iwas looking for! Thank you!
Wow!! now I gone make fx's templates with my favorite fx's.. Tanks.
Great tricks here !!!! thank you for sharing !!!!
Just as I thought I had Pro Tools figured out... amazing!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 thanks for sharing
Awsome thank you for sharing thes techniques
i Love videos like this. Engineers actually solving problems their own ways not by the book. plus the use of an instrumental which embodies the sonics of the current generation. Bless up
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you killed it bro with the reverb Litt 🔥🔥🔥📈📈📈✅
I don't often learn something new about Pro Tools, thanks!
WOW!!!LOVE THIS!
Mind Blown!!
nice and interesting. you can also make a clip group instead of consolidating a clip. there are strange things going on when you move a clip back and forward with glided pan automation. the glide becomes less or more upon moving.
Great stuff! I can’t think of a mix of mine this workflow wouldn’t simplify and improve.
I'm sayin... haha ✌️
When you said "NEVER Use AUX Tracks in Pro Tools AGAIN!!!", I believed you. You did NOT lie! As a 18 year Pro Tools user, this is ridiculous. What a hack?! Ha! Thank you for sharing!
Amazing! Thanks!
This is actually workaround for the missing feature ;-) Subscribed. Cheers! S
Wow, what a genius you are!
Thanks. Control Command [click] Plugin Parameter for Mac displays Automation lane.
Thank you so much for this video and new idea. You can glide between 2 automations with shift+alt+x (mac). I don't think the technique of having just one aux reverb will work with convolution reverbs that produce artefacts when you switch the value still with something playing in. It is also a great strategy even if you need to reedit your timeline to fit another video editing, for a cutdown in that matter: regions were always missing on aux tracks. Your workaround is brilliant. Now I need to change my templates ;)
Haha, great! Yes - synthesis reverbs only. Thank you for making that point. You can't automate wav importing in convolution reverbs.
@@6DaysLtd dearVR has a performance mode where it seems to be possible. Don't know more about how it works though.
Oh MAN thank you 🙏
Cool idea didn’t even think about this before!!!! In the future videos would you please include the windows and Mac hot keys for this kinda stuff let’s not be bias lol just saves that translation step.
Thanks for the insight got my subscription!!! Keep it up man.
Just found this video. Great! For the glide, why don’t you do it for one frame then just expand? I’m assuming that it would work then?
Clever. Combine with ctl-D to duplicate clips. E.g., when you made the first reverb clip, you could have turned off automation follows, made three duplicates in a fraction of a second, then turned auto follows back on. Much quicker than making a bar selection three more times. Or again at 12:45, no need to click and drag around until it lands on a particular 32nd grid mark. Ctl-A, Clt-D. Done.
So. Yeah, useful. I mostly do orchestral and hybrid media composing. I can count on one hand the number of times I needed effect automation in the last year. And we don’t do submixes in quite the same sense. We do stems. My biggest template contains dozens of auxes, mostly for stems and convolution+algorithmic reverb pairs tucked away in folder tracks. I’m certainly not going to spend two days replacing every aux in my templates with instrument tracks when most of them will never even be visible in the edit window, never mind automated. What I will do is replace one here and there as needed. When I make a new template, I’ll think through which fx returns are likely to benefit from this cool trick.
Hi, thank you. Good feedback to make that part quicker.
Thanks MASTER!!!
Amazing man
Excellent discovery! Is there any difference at all in audio quality coming out of an Instrument Track as opposed to an Aux Track? I just want to make sure I’m not losing any quality that an aux track has by switching over to this method. It’s essentially the same signal?
Great video and very useful.
I’ve used ProTools for over 30 years since it was Sound Tools/SD2, and Logic since its release. We use both of them when necessary due to client mandates/requirements. All our engineers now mainly use Pyramix and Reaper. Pyramix for certain high-end work and Reaper for every other situation where we have a choice for DAW format. Reaper saves studios a lot of time and has so many critically useful capabilities that many experienced top producers never go back to what they were using before after spending a little time with Reaper. Most of the complexity and wasted time and complexity of even Logic, let alone ProTools disappear. Specifically, it makes the work-arounds and other complexities you show here unnecessary, replacing it with pure transparent workflow.
Try using time compression expansion trim tool to exapand and contract an automation glide
Thanks for the feedback. This doesn't work. I had sent this as a feature request to Avid at the time. ✌️
Thank you!!! really cool, now. what did u expect "muting" the Clip? as when I put a Clip really nothing happens and still the same "snapshot/automation settings" of that Clip...or I have something wrong in my setup?
This is interesting but for presets in plugins too? That may be glitchy sounding in certain cases. But I can see the value of doing this for the other parameters.
Thanks for the video. I've referred to it several times during last year. Is it possible to create some sort of an automation trigger that would execute these automaton moves live? for example: I’m doing a live recording into Pro tools. I have a bunch of predetermined processing on each track with those tracks having input monitoring and record enabled. as I recorded the content, I want to be able to reduce the volume of the choir microphones, increase the volume of the soloist mic and increase reverb send during the solo and then back off those changes overtime so as to avoid the inconsistency of my fader adjustments. Is this something that might be possible with AVID control app on the iPad or a macro of some sort?
Smart! When you say slash, is that space bar or forward slash?
Amazing 😮
THIS was awesome
Happy to hear it, Bennett. 🙏
Are all of the advanced automation features used here in the updated “studio” version of PT?
Interesting stuff!
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This is actually sick
fabulous
Wooooow!!
Proper cool !!!!!
How do you feel about the Argument for Printing (Rendering) a Final Mix onto a New Aux Bus Master channel? Rather than Bouncing via Offline bounce... Please make us a Video how you would go about doing this and Why or Why not... Thanks.
Super!!
What is there is a parameter in the plugin that is on included in the automation window? For instance, in the Filter Gate AIR plugin, the Note resolution is not in the automation window
Cool Nice tip!!!
Boggles the mind that this is a "trick" in ProTools. I've been using Logic for 27yrs (since Emagic owned it) and Logic's been able to do the since just about the beginning. (Might even have been in Notator pre-Logic). I'm glad I only have to touch PT for traditional mixing. It hasn't changed in 25yrs. (Oh they added color then "dark mode") - Yeesh.
So you’re sending your signal to your instrument track ?
This blew my mind. Great video. The only downside I can think of when using clips like this for automation is that you can only see one clip on a track at a time. It would be cool if there were a way to display lanes of multiple clips on one track for this purpose so that you could have a visual representations for multiple parameters/plugins at a time. I may be ignorant however. Is there a way to do that or a workaround? I'm still pretty new to Pro Tools. Would duplicating the instrument "aux" track be an alternative?
Hi Mason. We've had some side discussions about clips in automation lanes. That would certainly be interesting if possible to be added in functionally without cluttering things too much. 👌
Maybe using folders could work this way? They have their own Universe view, so if you group all the inst tracks under one folder, that would give you an overview of the different clips, I think.
If you just need it for a visual representation maybe make an Audio Track with a playlist above it and name it to represent such
You’re smart!!!
Takes one to know one.
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is this the latest version by chance?
Totally genius bro. I can't wait to try it 😃☺️. I find auxes will degrade the quality of my tracks and so i found with a way to control my mix with vcas and the minimal number of auxes. I'll be experimenting with instrument tracks. Thank you for sharing
Mind = Blown
I don't really see how this is more advantageous than sub-mixes with routing folders or auxes. It seems to invite a lot of unnecessary housekeeping with MIDI clips when you could just use regular automation lanes. For the snare example you used, I think I'd rather create a snare sub-mix with one aux for each reverb, and use mute/volume automation of both faders and sends to fade/switch between them. I might even create a separate folder/aux for the reverb mix if I wanted one channel and fader for all the reverbs. I think there's a good reason that this use of instrument tracks isn't documented in the Pro Tools manual. Instrument tracks are designed for virtual instruments, and auxes are designed for parallel effects and bus routing and processing. There's also the fact that you can convert any aux to a routing folder, which will probably never be true of instrument tracks. What you've shown is an interesting hack, but a bit of an esoteric one.
Hi! Thanks for your feedback, Taylor. I think the argument for me to work out 8 automation lanes of send volume/mute on a single track isn't quite there, but I appreciate you mulling it over. The point of this is not to always use automation clips. I just provided some examples. One of the *problems* with routing folders is they re-orient the original aux position you may have had at the right of your tracks (logical signal flow order) - to the left. I actually put the entire submix into a basic folder with the subgroup inst track outside of it. ...maybe I'll do a video about it, but I think most people have a particular way they get used to doing things.
I hope you're still recording and you find time to upload current videos. You have a good voice.
@@6DaysLtd appreciate the reply and the compliment! I'm more focused on the engineering/post-production side of things these days, nearly finished with my MA in audio tech. I actually like the "alternative" workflow that routing folders provide when I'm working in the box. When I do hybrid/board mixes I prefer auxes on the right per tradition, and there's an easy compromise: you can use a routing folder as an aux by moving all tracks out of the folder while still routing them to the folder's input bus!
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You're gonna receive an email from AVID saying "DELETE THIS" haha, this feels like hacking the system or doing something that you're not supposed to do, amazing. I think one time I accidentally routed something through an instrument track instead of an aux and just disregarded it, didn't see all the potential. I don't think I have ever been so mind blown by a tutorial before, thanx for all the tips!
Now THIS dude……where have you been my entire adult life 🤣🤣🤣
Good
My pro tools 08 wont come up says loading plug ins but never loads
Holy shit, this is brilliant.
This video is crazy. Major hack. I was trying to figure out how to do this in Logic Pro cause that’s what I use mainly, but it blew my mind even more to know that Logic does all of this without any routing at all.
When you route signal to a bus it automatically makes an Aux channel, and with every Aux channel you can make regions. This is a Great video.
Hi. Thanks for this feedback. For others potentially reading this comment, in Logic, once an aux is created in the Mixer, you're able to right-click on it and choose "Create Track" which makes the same track available in the Arrangement view. Then you're able to use the Pencil tool quickly to create clips and do the automation stuff like we discuss here. The limitation is I don't believe Logic has an equivalent to "Write to All", but I could be mistaken.
@@6DaysLtd Thanks for the reply. I’m still a little confused to what write automation for all in pro tools enables?
@@Jlagenii it's two separate processes. 1) enable everything to be automated (plugin parameters in my example), 2) Actively writing to everything that's enabled.
Cool idea but ultimately just more work setting up each region linked to automation just to be able to use the regions instead of the automation
F....n genius man...
This is an incredible workflow.
I had an idea to expand on this further!
Are the Instrument Track Clips able to be tied to specific MIDI data? If so, you could tie each preset to a Novation Launchpad-type device and trigger your presets in real time. Make them post fader and you can trigger them WHILE recording if you so choose.
Any way you can test this and report back?
Also, does anyone know if this style of workflow would be possible in Logic Pro as well?
Thanks for this. Holy cow, my mind is racing.
Hi! Not 100% that this answers your question, but you can't use MIDI messages to trigger plugin presets or track presets in Pro Tools. 🙏
@@6DaysLtd yeah that was my question. Shame.
Hi 6 Days. Thank you once again. Please show us how to do this on the standard version of protools (recently renamed to pro tools studio) without using the pro tools ultimate shortcuts.
Hi there! You can watch the other video I made. There are links at the beginning.
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The regular version of Pro Tools Studio starting in 2022.4 and beyond has this feature already in it. As long as you have an active update plan, you can upgrade for free and get this feature. Or if you subscribe, then you already get it.
@@SomebodyPickaName I stopped paying for upgrades at 2019.5 because I didn't think Avid's additions were that game changing and I also hate the subscription model. Most pro tools users love pro tools but hate AVID.
What is control + start on a mac. Im trying to view the automation by clicking on the parameter
Hello - it is Command+Control+click on Mac. 🙏
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Great concept!! Do Aux tracks take up the same amount of processing and space as Instruments tracks? You can only have 512 Instrument tracks in PT Ultimate but you can have 1,024 Aux tracks. Not sure what the difference is with the amount of tracks available. Do the container clips if empty, being used as track delineators take more processing power than if there is no container? When you have multiple effects on the same track and you only change the parameters on one effect you would use the "Write to All Enabled" command to make sure everyone is on the same page within the container clip so that if you move the clip all automation goes with it on all plugins? Or would you use the "Write to Current?" - Thanks!
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In this case, yes.
No.
Automation is only written for [enabled] plugin parameters when Write to All Enabled is used.
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@@6DaysLtd Hi and thanks - I do realize the plugin parameters have to be enabled. It makes sense that all parameters for multiple effects plugins on the same track will be involve with the snapshot even if I only changed the parameters of one plugin. Are you also saying that Instrument tracks and Aux tracks take the same processing power and memory? Why 512 instruments and 1,024 auxes? Do they sound exactly the same? Sorry for the pedestrian questions - this is a new concept and I want to know the in's and out's fully.
The reason I am concerned about the CPU hit is my sessions get to be very large with the track count, Auxes and effect tracks and I am always using all the tricks to keep the computer from coughing and slamming to a halt before the final mix output.
Awesome Vid!!!!! I don't see these options on my Pro Tools. That small window next to the plugin..... have no idea what that is or where to find it. And, what do you mean by "pressing all three modifiers?" Thanks in advanced
I'm on iMac by the way
Is it possible you're referring to Window>Automation?
All 3 modifiers is the 3 next to spacebar (Cntrl,Start,Alt or Cntrl,Opt,cmd) ✌️
Mines seem to be doing something different
When I highlight a section on the edit screen. My pro tools don’t lock in the highlighted area for some reason. I know it’s me lol. Either way thank you. Shalom
very cool trick! thanks! I just dont get how we are hearing the effect from the instrument track, since you not routing it anywhere.
Hi. Thank you for watching. Does it help to say the "MIDI" is not routed anywhere because there is no MIDI, but the "Audio" of the insert effect is still going out the main mix to hear?
@@6DaysLtd why are you phrasing your answer like a question?? 😂😂😂😂
....yes it does. a bit. I have to try it like that first
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The problem is when you have a fx clip and a pan clip on the same Instr Track they cancel each other out when you want them at the same position.
True - you would have to use one single clip and just update the missing automation in the same place and have all automation enabled. I just showed it simply. to your point, you would only care if you wanted to use both together somewhere else again anyway, but then you'd just start with everything in a single clip to begin with. 🙏
Couldn’t you just do alot of this with Audio Suite ?
Hey the bible reference you have given in the description is not from 1st timothy. It is from 2nd timothy
Haha, of course. ❤️✌️
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Great tip.!!!
But you could have just said, use instrument tracks instead of auxes for sends.
Instead of making a 45 minute video.
Ahhh yes, but then I told you that in the info. You didn't need to watch the video in the first place.
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I one upped this theory years ago…
Never use protools again…
My life changed for the better…
What are you using now?
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