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Mosin vs. Ishapore? Mosin, because the Ishapore has poor safety margins. Whereas the Mosin can safely shoot any 7.62x54R round ever made, the Ishapore is only barely strong enough to handle 7.62 NATO, and commercial .308 will cause the headspace to open up and eventually become unsafe. This is a problem shared by all Enfield designs, and British Enfields would actually open up just through regular service and eventually be relegated to only shooting blanks or drill purposes. The safety margins in the Enfield action just are not there.
I thought so too but bloke on the range busted the myth. The projectiles are already out the barrel or have lossed so much pressure that by the time the gas hits the piston, it doesn’t matter. He tested both an Ar-10 with the gas on and off and with the gas on, the one with gas actually had 2% higher speeds, when he tested a roller delayed blowback, the results were similar however one of the rounds that had no bolt reciprocation(because he used a mag that blocks the bolt) caused there to be a 1.5% increase. However when you take away that 1 straggler, there was practically no difference. I believe it all comes down to barrel length. Most bolt action rifles in full powered rifle rounds have longer barrels. For example, the dmr used by the British has a 16 inch barrel, while bolt action rifles tend to have barrels from 20”-26”
The Mosin, I have experience with. We had some green box with a silver metallic stripe surplus ammo at the old shop a buddy owned. That stuff was corrosive as heck, but penetrated through some seriously thick lumber, rock and steel. Very impressive. Nice video! Keep'em coming!
I shot The Mosin for the first time this weekend it is probably one of the most fun guns I've ever shot. It was a short barreled version so the fireball was ferocious.
Just buy the .303 cause 7.62x51 NATO is just some fancy name for .308 Win. And besides that's what an Ishapore is, it's just a rechambered Enfield. Stripper clips are easier to find for .303 than for .308(At least where I am)
Man! Both pack a punch! I like them both and would like to be doing some shooting today, but have too much on the plate. Thanks for the video appreciate you taking the time.
Back when the TC compass was under 200. I bought 3. i decided to keep the .308 and the .223. I GAVE the 30-06 to my dad as a surprise when he came to visit. he went into his trunk and pulled out an ishapore 2a1. Handed it to me and said. Here you go! Its awesome!
I love the historical rifles!!! I have been wanting to pull the trigger on an M1Garand from the CMP but I haven’t yet! Keep shooting those great guns! Glad to see they aren’t just safe queens!
I didn't catch the bullet weight comparison. A velocity variance would be important as well....but then, we're gun guys. We all know how this stuff works. Cool video, don't stop.
I've had my great shooting Ishapore since 1994. It came heavily packed in cosmoline but cleaned up nicely. The only reason the Mosin has a bigger cartridge is because the round is much older, having been in service since 1891. Powders technology needed the extra cartridge volume to get the desired performance. Much like the 30-06 in 1906 and the next generation cartridge was the 7.62x51 or 308 gives similar performance in a smaller package.
Back when India was a British colony the British authorities sometimes didn't fully trust the local police. Not wanting them to have modern weapons but also not wanting to disarm them completely, the British converted some Ishapores to single-shot .410 shotguns, figuring those were about the least capable firearms around.
Love the old musin. Had a m44 sold to my brother few years ago. .308 di or .310,.311 depending on gun if handloading. Brown bear makes some good factory cheap hunting ammo. About $10. A box or so. 205gr. Some old Russian 7.62x54 r sniper ammo is extremely accurate
Now ive heard of a mosin and shot shot a buddys but ive never seen or heard of the other one. But ut looks like a dandy rifle. Plus i do like the odd ball stuff sometimes. And it does shoot good. Not as much action on the steel but it seemed to do more with the water jugs and blocks. Hey Mr.Paul. Who-tee-who
I like them both. Not much difference in bullet size or power.The way the bolt is set up, you can get more rounds off faster with the Ishapore. The Enfield family was the fastest shooting military bolt action rifles ever produced. Trained soldiers, with a lot of practice were said to have shot those guns very close to semi auto speeds when they needed to. Both of them make great deer hunting rifles.
Just the information I was looking for. I would like to see you go to Lowes and pick up a cheap can of white spray paint. You know, just for a clean shot observation. Still thanks for the video.
Interesting comparison of a pair of rifles originally designed in the late 19th century. While the Mosin-Nagant's larger case provided capacity for a very slightly more powerful round than the .303 British of the Lee-Metford / Lee-Enfield design series, the separate, easily replaceable bolt head that was a feature of the British rifle, facilitated conversion of the design to the higher pressure rimless 7.62x5mm1 cartridge. Existing Ishapore-made SMLE Mark III* .303 rifles which were converted to 7.62x51mm Ishapore 2A/2A1 standard were reportedly rebarreled to the same standard as newly manufactured Ishapore 2A/2A1 rifles. Though no longer in military use, the Ishapore 7.62x51mm rifles are said to be still used by the Indian Police.
actually the ammo was about the same in performance back in that era. it just the russian kept the round and just improved on it with better bullets, powder, and material for the casing. the 303 British just went obsolete because of nato.
The 7.62x54R actually has more power than the 7.62x51 which is the same as the 308 but both have less power than the 7mm08 at long ranges because of their lower BC
Mosin is listed as 7.62 and is actually .312 which is the same as the .303 projectile while the Ishapore is a .308 calibre rifle or 7.62 x 51 Nato round, the Russians had a funny measurement method to the Western world, their distance of measurement was around 80% of a metre or one normal pace, so their 100 mark is actually equivalent to 80 yards
0.004" of different in diameter from tool. it basically a 5/16" bore diameter. simple material standard and tooling help dictate the development of most arms.
I've never shot either rifle. They're both beautiful. The bolt appears to be super smooth on the Mosin, am I right? I'm surprised the smaller round appeared to do more damage but I guess it depends on where the rounds impacted the concrete blocks. Great video. Thanks brother!
you're also shooting high quality new manufacturer ammo in the Ishapore, the surplus ammo is usually older and of lower quality. I would recommend a rematch using PPU ammo for the Mosin, its the best 7.62x54r you can buy. on another note, wished I was closer, the museum I manage has a large number of Mausers, Arisakas. Enfields, among many other very unique rifles like the Scmidt-Rubin Swiss Army Rifle and an Egyptian Hakim
The Ishapore is a Lee Enfield made in Ishapore factory in India. That one must have been modified though because they were normally .303 calibre. They were built to the same specifications and standards as those made in the UK for the British armed forces.
Ishapore was going for the FN FAL but production was slow and they needed more rifle's so in 1962 up to 1975 the Ishapore factory continue to build Lee Enfield to shoot 7.62x51 NATO. There is 2 models the 2A and the 2A1 the only difference between the 2 is the rear sights. The 2A is ranged out to 2000 and the 2A1 is ranged out to 800. They was not modified they was made from the ground up to fire 7.62x51 NATO so they made them much stronger than the old No1 Mk3 Enfields in 303. The only thing they didn't change was the stocks they had a lot of the old SMLE stocks laying around at the time so most have the old stocks on them. If i could only have one Enfield it would be the Ishapore 2A or 2A1 in 7.62 NATO they are made very strong and 7.62x51 is everywhere.
Both are great guns with their own distinct advantages. I like the mag capacity, the safety and the modern rnds that the Ishapore shoots, yet I really like the appearance of the 91/30s, and it hits a little harder.
We're both rifles given the same type of bullet configuration soft point or full metal jacket? Most test between the 54R and the 51 being a 308 been seeing where they're both about the same.thanks for the review I enjoyed it after watching this I've been seeing more and more these Isaphore rifles. Might add that one to my mosin nagant for shooting and deer hunting or medium to large game.
That's because the 7.62x54R was standardized in 1891 and the 7.62x51 NATO was standardized in the 1950's and has 60 years of gunpowder improvements bringing the standard ball round to within 100 fps of the 30-06 Springfield.
7.62×54R was created in 1891 but the standards evolved with the times. ammo quality and performance is quite different from earlier era supplies vs current supplies.
@@hvuu1628 no the 7.62x54R was created before 1891 because it was tested and then standardized in 1891 in the Mosin Nagant rifle of 1891. It was not created in 1891. Also see Forgotten Weapons TH-cam channel.
@@celmer6 nope. it literally was designed in 1891. The profile of the cartridge case remains unchanged. the bullets design it used did change through history to present day. the powder formula like wise. It standardized spec have changed regardless what you want to believe or think. if you can find a cartridge made in early 1900 vs today it not going to be the same standards, it going be compared and revised. It was however take some elements to the 303 british which influenced its design being a rimmed cartridge. Forgotten weapon is only reflecting what information it finds or have archived.
@@hvuu1628 no it was adopted by Russia in 1891. The 7.62x54R was developed and tested much earlier. Thus it was invented earlier than 1891 so that it could be tested and go thru military rifle trials to be adopted in 1891. You really should read up on the topic before you run your keyboard. And take a reading and comprehension class because "invented is not the same as "adopted".
@@celmer6 it literally can be google up. it was designed and developed in 1891 and adopt by non commie russia the same year. it doesn't day 1890 or any earlier. maybe you should follow up your own advice on reading. guess you are special and don't use a keyboard. 🤣 Americans even made rifle for the russian military contracts by remington. they probably had concept of for it being influenced by other rim cartridge like the 303 British.
@@JB-pu6ek The Ishapore 2A/2A1 are new builds manufactured in the 1960's and early 1970's at the Ishapore factory where Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III* were manufactured until the early 1950's. They were not conversions. Some of the early Ishapore 2A rifles would use the wood furniture from Lee Enfield No. 1 Mk III* rifles, but the receivers and all the metal fixtures were new build.
The ishapore is the British lee Enfield just made in India and most are in 762x54 other than that all the parts are interchangeable with a mk3, and the bolt for the lee Enfield is a cock on close action
Had been contemplating buying a AR upper in 350 legend but after thinking about it when my Mosin Nagant will do even more. Why buy another deer rifle when you got a Mosin 91/30?!
The Ishapore's just an Enfield No. 1 made in India and chambered for 7.62x51 NATO. I've heard that you aren't supposed to use .308's in it because they're loaded hotter than NATO ammo.
@@YouLookinAtMe-Bro I personally never heard it said that there's any problems with that. It's the same round, but the .308 tends to have higher pressure.
Unless u get a soft point or get a 54R tumbling it zips right through many things. I have shot jugs of water and thought I missed becuz they didnt even move. Goes thru without any resistance
The Enfield is a very accurate and fast rifle. The mad minute is 30 rounds shot out to 200yards in under a minute. There are videos on TH-cam of the mad minute.
Mosin have a bore size of .312 same as the British Lee Enfield .303 which has sizes ranging from .310 to .312, try and fire a Mosin projectile through a .308 and see how you get on
Now you're cookin' with the gas turned on! I do like military surplus rifle shooting. I like both of these and as I do own a Mosin Nagant M9130, I only wish I had a rifle made in India at the Ishapore plant. These Ishapore rifles look like their momma's were fooling around with that Lee Enfield fellow again!! LOL. Yes too, it would be nice to see what your chronograph shows for each rifle.
Let's first understand what the Mosin was designed for : Long Range. I have no knowledge of the other round you fired. The mosin has power and weight. Old is not always a bad thing. MY money is on the Mosin. It is a proven long range accurate round - and it hits hard! For the price of a good mosin - it owns the show. Try it at 500 yards, it's a freight train man it is nasty biz. The long barrel versions are as they designed to be _ very hard hitting. And accurate as the shooter. My cash is on the mosin every time. Thank You for posting this.
@@WHOTEEWHO I always watch Adam! Massive respect for what you do brother. You give the firearms side of things a good name - and you know this!. What reall;y pisses ME off is you get demonetised for being a straight up guy!!!!!!
Didn't India and Greece use the Ishapore? What would be cool to see is a comparison and cronagraph test of the ishapore and a British 303 that it was pattern after.
It is a SMLE Lee Enfield which in 1963 India (Rifle Factory Ishapore) rearsenalized these from British .303 to 7.62 NATO. The receiver was heat treated to handle the higher pressure, new barrel and minor changes but essentially an SMLE 1 Mk III in 7.62 NATO.
@@WHOTEEWHO I understand.there is a channel I subscribed to a channel that shows his guns on hand.then next week he shows what it sold for(legal with utube).really enjoy it
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Mosin vs. Ishapore? Mosin, because the Ishapore has poor safety margins. Whereas the Mosin can safely shoot any 7.62x54R round ever made, the Ishapore is only barely strong enough to handle 7.62 NATO, and commercial .308 will cause the headspace to open up and eventually become unsafe. This is a problem shared by all Enfield designs, and British Enfields would actually open up just through regular service and eventually be relegated to only shooting blanks or drill purposes. The safety margins in the Enfield action just are not there.
The MOLOT Factory is now making brand new Mosin Nagant Rifles chambered in 7.62x51 NATO so do a compare video on the rifle shoot the different ammo
I've found most of the time bolt actions tend to hit a bit harder, because they're not wasting gas pressure on powering the action, like an automatic.
It helps with accuracy as well. That's why most even modern sniper rifles still use a bolt action system.
I thought so too but bloke on the range busted the myth. The projectiles are already out the barrel or have lossed so much pressure that by the time the gas hits the piston, it doesn’t matter. He tested both an Ar-10 with the gas on and off and with the gas on, the one with gas actually had 2% higher speeds, when he tested a roller delayed blowback, the results were similar however one of the rounds that had no bolt reciprocation(because he used a mag that blocks the bolt) caused there to be a 1.5% increase. However when you take away that 1 straggler, there was practically no difference. I believe it all comes down to barrel length. Most bolt action rifles in full powered rifle rounds have longer barrels. For example, the dmr used by the British has a 16 inch barrel, while bolt action rifles tend to have barrels from 20”-26”
I love the smell of cosmoline in the morning.
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Then you should smell Brandon Herrera's head. It's covered in cosmoline.
@@AndrewMartinez1776Redux true story. I've smelt it
@@WHOTEEWHO I hope you remembered to say "No homo"! 🤣🤣🤣
USSR vs INDIA
Im from India and I live just 3.2 km away from where the 2A1 rifles are still Being made (mostly for export).
The Mosin, I have experience with. We had some green box with a silver metallic stripe surplus ammo at the old shop a buddy owned. That stuff was corrosive as heck, but penetrated through some seriously thick lumber, rock and steel. Very impressive.
Nice video!
Keep'em coming!
I love em all!!!
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Me too brother!
I shot The Mosin for the first time this weekend it is probably one of the most fun guns I've ever shot. It was a short barreled version so the fireball was ferocious.
Very cool!
My first was a Mosin and I still have it!
Awesome! They have gotten more expensive to pick up here recently
@@WHOTEEWHO Oh yeah, just a few years ago with an FFL they were $75 delivered!
@@GBGuns I remember seeing them in crates for less than $100 not too long ago
Hey Graham!! You do awesome videos as well lol a fellow subscriber here 👍👍
@@rossgreenzweig Graham Baates is the man!
I really like the ishophore. It’s been on my short list
Very fun to shoot!
Just buy the .303 cause 7.62x51 NATO is just some fancy name for .308 Win. And besides that's what an Ishapore is, it's just a rechambered Enfield. Stripper clips are easier to find for .303 than for .308(At least where I am)
It's "ishapore"
@@JB-pu6ek yes but 308 is much cheaper and easier to find than 303
Man! Both pack a punch! I like them both and would like to be doing some shooting today, but have too much on the plate. Thanks for the video appreciate you taking the time.
Thanks for watching Jimmy!
The mosin looks really fun! Great video!
Hey Tyler!
Back when the TC compass was under 200. I bought 3. i decided to keep the .308 and the .223. I GAVE the 30-06 to my dad as a surprise when he came to visit. he went into his trunk and pulled out an ishapore 2a1. Handed it to me and said. Here you go! Its awesome!
Very nice
I love the historical rifles!!! I have been wanting to pull the trigger on an M1Garand from the CMP but I haven’t yet! Keep shooting those great guns! Glad to see they aren’t just safe queens!
I didn't catch the bullet weight comparison. A velocity variance would be important as well....but then, we're gun guys. We all know how this stuff works. Cool video, don't stop.
Looked like the mosin hit to the side, but both hit hard.
I like the old military surplus.
Me too
Me too
You almost missed it with the mosin nagant
That isapore looked like it had more power, but it could be shot placement too.
I have hunted many years with a mosin nagant just like that, that ishapore is a sweet gun, great video
Awesome!
I've had my great shooting Ishapore since 1994. It came heavily packed in cosmoline but cleaned up nicely. The only reason the Mosin has a bigger cartridge is because the round is much older, having been in service since 1891. Powders technology needed the extra cartridge volume to get the desired performance. Much like the 30-06 in 1906 and the next generation cartridge was the 7.62x51 or 308 gives similar performance in a smaller package.
Back when India was a British colony the British authorities sometimes didn't fully trust the local police. Not wanting them to have modern weapons but also not wanting to disarm them completely, the British converted some Ishapores to single-shot .410 shotguns, figuring those were about the least capable firearms around.
Love the old musin. Had a m44 sold to my brother few years ago. .308 di or .310,.311 depending on gun if handloading. Brown bear makes some good factory cheap hunting ammo. About $10. A box or so. 205gr. Some old Russian 7.62x54 r sniper ammo is extremely accurate
I’ve had both and honestly, I would have to give the edge to the moisin but, both are outstanding rifles!
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Now ive heard of a mosin and shot shot a buddys but ive never seen or heard of the other one. But ut looks like a dandy rifle. Plus i do like the odd ball stuff sometimes. And it does shoot good. Not as much action on the steel but it seemed to do more with the water jugs and blocks. Hey Mr.Paul. Who-tee-who
Hey Tom!
I think the reason the ishapore did more damage, because it was a soft point vs steel core of the milsurp in the mosin
or maybe the mosin is spining harder
I use my Mosin to soften up peoples shoulders before we start plinking. It slows peoples trigger finger down even with smaller rounds.
I like them both. Not much difference in bullet size or power.The way the bolt is set up, you can get more rounds off faster with the Ishapore. The Enfield family was the fastest shooting military bolt action rifles ever produced. Trained soldiers, with a lot of practice were said to have shot those guns very close to semi auto speeds when they needed to. Both of them make great deer hunting rifles.
I love tbem all!
Both rounds pack a punch. I like the length of the Ishapore.
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Indian ishapore is a blast
You hit far right on the water jug using the mosin. Centered it would have been more impressive. Both are awesome old rifles.
Some serious chain on the green target!! Iconic rifles!! Thanks guys!
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Just the information I was looking for. I would like to see you go to Lowes and pick up a cheap can of white spray paint. You know, just for a clean shot observation. Still thanks for the video.
Interesting comparison of a pair of rifles originally designed in the late 19th century. While the Mosin-Nagant's larger case provided capacity for a very slightly more powerful round than the .303 British of the Lee-Metford / Lee-Enfield design series, the separate, easily replaceable bolt head that was a feature of the British rifle, facilitated conversion of the design to the higher pressure rimless 7.62x5mm1 cartridge. Existing Ishapore-made SMLE Mark III* .303 rifles which were converted to 7.62x51mm Ishapore 2A/2A1 standard were reportedly rebarreled to the same standard as newly manufactured Ishapore 2A/2A1 rifles. Though no longer in military use, the Ishapore 7.62x51mm rifles are said to be still used by the Indian Police.
actually the ammo was about the same in performance back in that era. it just the russian kept the round and just improved on it with better bullets, powder, and material for the casing. the 303 British just went obsolete because of nato.
The 7.62x54R actually has more power than the 7.62x51 which is the same as the 308 but both have less power than the 7mm08 at long ranges because of their lower BC
Mosin is listed as 7.62 and is actually .312 which is the same as the .303 projectile while the Ishapore is a .308 calibre rifle or 7.62 x 51 Nato round, the Russians had a funny measurement method to the Western world, their distance of measurement was around 80% of a metre or one normal pace, so their 100 mark is actually equivalent to 80 yards
0.004" of different in diameter from tool. it basically a 5/16" bore diameter. simple material standard and tooling help dictate the development of most arms.
Both are very effective rounds. Great vid.
I think they're both do the job but I like the one you shot first on the water jug and bricks the best
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I've never shot either rifle. They're both beautiful. The bolt appears to be super smooth on the Mosin, am I right? I'm surprised the smaller round appeared to do more damage but I guess it depends on where the rounds impacted the concrete blocks. Great video. Thanks brother!
I love em both. Mosin bolt is very smoot
@rustybuttpate I'm used to a 45-70. Does it have more recoil than that?!
@rustybuttpate Roger that. Have an awesome night brother.
Based off the water jug shot the Ishapore won. I like both rifles. You and your family have a blessed week.
GOD Bless and GOD Bless The Republic!!!
I love em all!
you're also shooting high quality new manufacturer ammo in the Ishapore, the surplus ammo is usually older and of lower quality. I would recommend a rematch using PPU ammo for the Mosin, its the best 7.62x54r you can buy.
on another note, wished I was closer, the museum I manage has a large number of Mausers, Arisakas. Enfields, among many other very unique rifles like the Scmidt-Rubin Swiss Army Rifle and an Egyptian Hakim
Awesome!
Great shoot with 2 great rifles!!
Love em!
I have a Mosin M44 and an Ishapore in .303 British. Love them both ! Great video. You remind me of John C. Reilly.
Shake N Bake !
If you're not first you're last
The Ishapore is a Lee Enfield made in Ishapore factory in India. That one must have been modified though because they were normally .303 calibre. They were built to the same specifications and standards as those made in the UK for the British armed forces.
Ishapore was going for the FN FAL but production was slow and they needed more rifle's so in 1962 up to 1975 the Ishapore factory continue to build Lee Enfield to shoot 7.62x51 NATO. There is 2 models the 2A and the 2A1 the only difference between the 2 is the rear sights. The 2A is ranged out to 2000 and the 2A1 is ranged out to 800. They was not modified they was made from the ground up to fire 7.62x51 NATO so they made them much stronger than the old No1 Mk3 Enfields in 303. The only thing they didn't change was the stocks they had a lot of the old SMLE stocks laying around at the time so most have the old stocks on them. If i could only have one Enfield it would be the Ishapore 2A or 2A1 in 7.62 NATO they are made very strong and 7.62x51 is everywhere.
They are both awesome rifles!! Like the Mosin better
I love em all!
Both are great guns with their own distinct advantages. I like the mag capacity, the safety and the modern rnds that the Ishapore shoots, yet I really like the appearance of the 91/30s, and it hits a little harder.
We're both rifles given the same type of bullet configuration soft point or full metal jacket? Most test between the 54R and the 51 being a 308 been seeing where they're both about the same.thanks for the review I enjoyed it after watching this I've been seeing more and more these Isaphore rifles. Might add that one to my mosin nagant for shooting and deer hunting or medium to large game.
Mosin bounced the steel harder
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That's because the 7.62x54R was standardized in 1891 and the 7.62x51 NATO was standardized in the 1950's and has 60 years of gunpowder improvements bringing the standard ball round to within 100 fps of the 30-06 Springfield.
7.62×54R was created in 1891 but the standards evolved with the times. ammo quality and performance is quite different from earlier era supplies vs current supplies.
@@hvuu1628 no the 7.62x54R was created before 1891 because it was tested and then standardized in 1891 in the Mosin Nagant rifle of 1891. It was not created in 1891. Also see Forgotten Weapons TH-cam channel.
@@celmer6 nope. it literally was designed in 1891. The profile of the cartridge case remains unchanged. the bullets design it used did change through history to present day. the powder formula like wise. It standardized spec have changed regardless what you want to believe or think. if you can find a cartridge made in early 1900 vs today it not going to be the same standards, it going be compared and revised.
It was however take some elements to the 303 british which influenced its design being a rimmed cartridge.
Forgotten weapon is only reflecting what information it finds or have archived.
@@hvuu1628 no it was adopted by Russia in 1891. The 7.62x54R was developed and tested much earlier. Thus it was invented earlier than 1891 so that it could be tested and go thru military rifle trials to be adopted in 1891. You really should read up on the topic before you run your keyboard. And take a reading and comprehension class because "invented is not the same as "adopted".
@@celmer6 it literally can be google up. it was designed and developed in 1891 and adopt by non commie russia the same year. it doesn't day 1890 or any earlier. maybe you should follow up your own advice on reading. guess you are special and don't use a keyboard. 🤣
Americans even made rifle for the russian military contracts by remington.
they probably had concept of for it being influenced by other rim cartridge like the 303 British.
Nice rifles as I love shooting the Mosin.....Good stuff....
Hey Scott!
There's something deeply funny about a video comparing 7.62 cartridges being 5 minutes and 56 seconds long
Nice old rifles 😁i likem both👍👍
Me too!
Cool Rifles ! It looked like you were hitting the 'Neck' area of the green target with both rifles. a few more shot would cut it in two ! Wow !
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Ishapore is a city in India... where these rifles were built for the Indian Army during World War and subsequent wars.
They are fantastic stuff
They're just converted Enfields that were shipped from Britain back when they were close trade partners.
@@JB-pu6ek The Ishapore 2A/2A1 are new builds manufactured in the 1960's and early 1970's at the Ishapore factory where Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III* were manufactured until the early 1950's. They were not conversions. Some of the early Ishapore 2A rifles would use the wood furniture from Lee Enfield No. 1 Mk III* rifles, but the receivers and all the metal fixtures were new build.
@@JB-pu6ek you mean a british colony which india was.
We need a water jug challenge!
Coming soon!
The ishapore is the British lee Enfield just made in India and most are in 762x54 other than that all the parts are interchangeable with a mk3, and the bolt for the lee Enfield is a cock on close action
Had been contemplating buying a AR upper in 350 legend but after thinking about it when my Mosin Nagant will do even more. Why buy another deer rifle when you got a Mosin 91/30?!
Great video as always brother be safe and GOD BLESS you and your family same to Paul Amen 🙏.
The Ishapore's just an Enfield No. 1 made in India and chambered for 7.62x51 NATO. I've heard that you aren't supposed to use .308's in it because they're loaded hotter than NATO ammo.
Right, but I believe you can use 7.62x51 in a .308.
@@YouLookinAtMe-Bro I personally never heard it said that there's any problems with that. It's the same round, but the .308 tends to have higher pressure.
Unless u get a soft point or get a 54R tumbling it zips right through many things. I have shot jugs of water and thought I missed becuz they didnt even move. Goes thru without any resistance
Some sweet old rifles. Nice
I love em!
Good shooting !
Very nice vintage weapons
I love em!
Ishapore, I liked the sparks too.
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I believe when he raised the front sight up one click that he raised it up so high he was hitting the chain, that was what was causing the Sparks.
Sweet guns from back in the day. Looks like the ishapor is the hardest hitter.
I love em both!
Every one out of the second rifle the sparks flew
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I own both and love both. If you like that ishapore, you’d love my ishapore carbine
The Enfield is a very accurate and fast rifle. The mad minute is 30 rounds shot out to 200yards in under a minute. There are videos on TH-cam of the mad minute.
Sweet
I prefer the Mosin’s bolt is less complicated
It is less complicated
Cool guns, thanks for the vids.
Thanks for watching Kenneth!
I also have the mk1* no4 Lee Enfield. How does it differ from the Ishapore, since they are both brittish type rifles?
IIRC Ishapore use NATO round instead of .303 British, as well as have better sight due to being newer rifle
Mosin have a bore size of .312 same as the British Lee Enfield .303 which has sizes ranging from .310 to .312, try and fire a Mosin projectile through a .308 and see how you get on
Love them old guns
Me too!
I thought the Moisn was hitting the steel harder but water jug and block looked like the other one was hitting harder
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Nice vid! Yall rock!
Heyoooo!!!
Have never shot an Ishapor but i do love my mosin
I love em both!
Nice old rifles very retro.
Hey banditnev!
Both hit hard. Like the look of ish. No 450 though. WHAMMO!
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Excellent video ! 👍
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Hey Jerry!
The 7.62×54r cocks when Opening the bolt. The 7.62×51 cocks when colseing the Bolt. So the Enfield should be a smoother action
WHO_TEE_WHO great tools !!!!
Awesome rifles I love old military Ones 😲
I love em too!
That was awesome!
Thanks for watching!
Say hey to the Whoo tee Whoo clan for me to.
If you can get your hands on a savage 338 lapua. Im looking at one at Academy. Would love to see what she runs like. Will be my biggest caliber ever.
Where have you been? I have like 20 videos on my savage 338 lapua.....it is my favorite rifle
Taking a deer with the mosin will be cool
Absolutely!
Now you're cookin' with the gas turned on!
I do like military surplus rifle shooting. I like both of these and as I do own a Mosin Nagant M9130, I only wish I had a rifle made in India at the Ishapore plant.
These Ishapore rifles look like their momma's were fooling around with that Lee Enfield fellow again!! LOL.
Yes too, it would be nice to see what your chronograph shows for each rifle.
Love both of these rifles!
Let's first understand what the Mosin was designed for : Long Range. I have no knowledge of the other round you fired.
The mosin has power and weight. Old is not always a bad thing. MY money is on the Mosin. It is a proven long range accurate round - and it hits hard! For the price of a good mosin - it owns the show. Try it at 500 yards, it's a freight train man it is nasty biz. The long barrel versions
are as they designed to be _ very hard hitting. And accurate as the shooter. My cash is on the mosin every time.
Thank You for posting this.
Thanks for watching John!
It's in 308.
@@WHOTEEWHO I always watch Adam!
Massive respect for what you do brother.
You give the firearms side of things a good name - and you know this!. What reall;y pisses ME off is you get demonetised for being a straight up guy!!!!!!
Couple of nice rifles
I love em!
The Winchester white box ammo may not be loaded as hot as the surplus ammo.
You are going to have to some more of your power and rande test with these beast's. If it's cool with Paul.
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Didn't India and Greece use the Ishapore?
What would be cool to see is a comparison and cronagraph test of the ishapore and a British 303 that it was pattern after.
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I’d take the ishapore all day long. I like mosins but I just think the enfield rifles are superior unless it’s a M39 mosin
I like the Ishapore, I think they are about the same power.
Was my very first time to ever shoot the ishapore
My ishpore 2A1 was a 1967 762nato and my mosin is a Russian M44 1944 mint condition
Very cool
No bayonet on the Mosin? They were factory sighted with the bayonet on it changes the point of impact.
You should do a video explain the ishapore. Never heard of it
Me neither 😜😜😜
@@WHOTEEWHO no I'm going to have to do some research. Something tells me the 308 wasn't the original caliber of the gun could be wrong
It is a SMLE Lee Enfield which in 1963 India (Rifle Factory Ishapore) rearsenalized these from British .303 to 7.62 NATO. The receiver was heat treated to handle the higher pressure, new barrel and minor changes but essentially an SMLE 1 Mk III in 7.62 NATO.
How much do the ishapores go for? Looks like a fun gun.
Depends on a lot of factors
@@WHOTEEWHO I understand.there is a channel I subscribed to a channel that shows his guns on hand.then next week he shows what it sold for(legal with utube).really enjoy it
@@Rumpleskin I'm not a seller nor an expert. Honestly dont really have a clue
@@WHOTEEWHO understand...thanks for what you & heavy do
Very cool
Hey Ralph!
@@WHOTEEWHO Yes Sir
7.62x51 ~ 308 the mosion milk jug was open no cap. that's why didn't explode.
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When you shot the water with the mossin....you only hit the side of it!
The 54R would've been better....if you hit the jug right!
Judging by the steel hits the mosen one the 54R is a great round but that rim destroys it