I know a lot of people running 500BHP on these engines and they been fine for years, I think when you go past that it has to be forged for reliability. He’s given the car to the best in the business.
Currently my irish cupra is sitting next to your motor its going to be getting the same thing. Your higher up the queue haha. I just dropped it off Monday. Saving grace for me is I don't have any failed parts as such but just mildly leaking piston rings.
The deposit was £1600. I'm noting down questions people want me to answer in the next video, when I see Nathan again, so I'll ask him, and keep this comment in mind. Cost breakdown. Always useful. Thank you!
I work on the mqb platform e855 evo is my bread and butter but 150bhp per cylinder on this platform is not a lot if its mapped properly, built right and maintained correctly
@S3Ranj 200 bhp per cylinder is getting there. Like he says there are many variables but oil pressure is the most important thing to stop the rods touching the crank bearing. 600bhp should be safe all day if done properly. My ttrs is built for 300bhp per cylinder....that won't last but I'm OK with that 🤣
Check/replace your Cam adjuster magnets. If that doesn't do it, check/replace your map and put sensors. All are cheap and easy, and are good peace of mind for longevity
Not that I want to out the team who tuned your car, but making note of boost pressure which is referred to often in this video, was the tuners not aware of this? Feels like, and correct me if I’m wrong, if you kept the boost around 1.9, the engine wouldn’t have blown?
It’s a fair comment to make. I used to drive the car in med boost 1.9 bar for 95% of the time. But tbh, I’ve been seeing a lot more cars tuned at 2.2 on a stock block, and I’m like.. does that sound promising. I do think it’s more of an intricate thing, meaning, I think boost pressure has its own variables, and I’m no tuning expert. But I think if it was kept at a lower boost, it would have been less likely to have blown up. I’m actually going to remove the current MRC map once’s it built, and go with a different tuner.
@@S3Ranj The videos you’re doing are brilliant - answers so many questions for people who will have who have / are thinking of tuning. I’ve done mild modifications to mine and will be looking at a stage 1 next and this has given me plenty of food for thought. You don’t always find these answers on the internet!!
@@ImRJHead love that man! Thank you! I’m actually super excited to get back for the 2nd instalment which is the week after next. Engine will stripped for the video! 🙌🏾🙌🏾! Make sure you enjoy your car this summer!
@@S3Ranj boost also varies by IAT. On a hot day more boost is required to achieve the same performance so the turbo has to work harder / generates more heat
Nothing new here 😂 Engines are designed to survive the standard specification over a long period but as the milage goes up so dose wear, by putting the engine under more stress ( boost & torque ) you are just shortening the lifespan of components to which they will fail prematurely. Iv still never understood why people think they can double the power out of a engine and expect it to last
I partially agree. My car for instance hadn’t been driven hard. I regret not doing so. I use to drive it like a queen all the time. A real waste. There are too many variables though. My brother has an RS3 8P, much higher mileage than mine, driven hard, and it’s fine. Like I said, there are many variables. Nathan touched on maintenance, boost pressure, other modifications etc. So to answer your question, quite simply, because there are people out there with cars that are near double the power. It is straight forward, and it isn’t. Depending on the context.
@@S3Ranj yeh I agree the variables are there but pushing more power will always put more wear on the components which will lead to prematurely failures. One way to look at it is say someone has a 500hp one and it lasts 100k miles before failure then it was probably a good one that would do 200k plus
@@nickthegriffin I do partially agree with you, like I said. There are other things too, that play in people’s thought process, such as, risk versus reward. In any case, I’m glad my engine will be future proofed, so to speak.
@@S3Ranj yeh that's also a good way to look at it 👍 I'm old as f 😂 been doing this for years & although technology has changed as the Americans like to say " no replacement for displacement" 2.0l 4 cylinder will always be a balancing act when looking for performance
once a person says its basic physics, close your ear... "when you compress air, it generates heat"?🤣🤣... In simple logic, more boost/air with less fuel results in more heat due to pre ignition and the rest follows...
Incorrect, that quote was “simple logic” referring to the more you compress air, the hotter it will get as molecules are forced closer together (basic physics) Regardless of air to fuel ratios, that increase in boost will always see a hotter mixture. This is why we see increased exhaust gas temperatures as we increase the boost - the more power you extract, the more heat it will generate with the same afr ratio As for “the more heat due to pre ignition” - pre-ignition is a result of increased cylinder/piston temperature, not a reason for increased cylinder temperatures. It is a pre-spark combustion caused by fuel igniting prematurely as a result of cylinder temps exceeding the lower heating value of the fuel used
If pre-igntion was the sole cause for more heat I dont think the intercooler would be before the air reaches the engine..... 😂 Its almost like compressing air does indeed cause it to heat up 🤔 hence why the more boost you run the larger/higher density of intercooler you want to run to keep intake air temps as close to ambient as possible.
oh god. You didnt go to Ares... Be prepared for a fucked build, under specced components and bad workmanship putting your car back together! Worst decision of your life going there
Looking forward to the build and the comeback 💪🏽
As am I!
nice to see behind the scenes at ARES 👍
Seems like a proper bloke! Looking forward to this!
Very informative video… thanks guys😊😊
Solid video this! Nathan sounds like he knows what he’s on about… let’s go 💪🏽💪🏽
Thanks bro 👊
Absolute quality video 🙌🏻
I know a lot of people running 500BHP on these engines and they been fine for years, I think when you go past that it has to be forged for reliability. He’s given the car to the best in the business.
I've learnt that there are so many factors to consider. Boost pressure clearly has a lot to do with it.
1.9 bar 506 bhp, 2 track days and no issues touch wood!! But I look after it and no silly pops and bangs or launching. Great video.
@@ck6uk that sounds sensible. Thanks man!
Currently my irish cupra is sitting next to your motor its going to be getting the same thing. Your higher up the queue haha. I just dropped it off Monday. Saving grace for me is I don't have any failed parts as such but just mildly leaking piston rings.
@@mewantapoo I saw it. I also featured it in my latest video 😉 which just went live!
@S3Ranj Just saw that that's cool. Thanks a mill. I'm looking on with eager eyes. Your Videos are great and very informative.
I think running anything over 450bhp with these 2.0 engines is just not worth the hassle.
I can appreciate that point of view. But, if you do it right, like the guys do here, then you are okay up to 600bhp.
@@S3Ranjagreed, I guess it’s just how much money you are willing to throw at it.
Love the content 👌 keep it up
I’m on most of the R forums, everyday I see a stage 3 car blowing up or being sold “cheap” 😊
With forged internals you are good up to 650/700whp, Brasil have many of them with over 600whp that is like 700+bhp
Glad you chose the right choice and took it to nathan👌
As am I. They come across decent!
Think I might have to take my S3 to this guy seems old school💯 between this guy and VRS I’ll go too 👍🏽
Great video btw
Sounds like a shout. VRS, EcoTune, Ares, all sensible from what I've heard. Thank you man!
The beast will back on the roads soon enough. Hope it all works out pal
So whats a rough cost for this kinda work ? Looking forward to the progress on this mate 💯💪
The deposit was £1600. I'm noting down questions people want me to answer in the next video, when I see Nathan again, so I'll ask him, and keep this comment in mind. Cost breakdown. Always useful. Thank you!
Quality interview
Good insight hope it helps others too
As do I! You can learn loads from the video IMO
Great video! Nathan sound bloke 👌
Thank you mate!
I work on the mqb platform e855 evo is my bread and butter but 150bhp per cylinder on this platform is not a lot if its mapped properly, built right and maintained correctly
Interesting. That is probably what I want around 600bhp. I don't want anymore out of this car tbh. Just seen your videos, good stuff!
@S3Ranj 200 bhp per cylinder is getting there. Like he says there are many variables but oil pressure is the most important thing to stop the rods touching the crank bearing. 600bhp should be safe all day if done properly.
My ttrs is built for 300bhp per cylinder....that won't last but I'm OK with that 🤣
@S3Ranj thanks for checking out the videos man 💪
It’s in the best hands they rebuilt my 800hp Cupra
Chris s3 breaker 😊, you got a sick cupra 😮
I've seen your car, it's nuts. Enjoy it this summer.
Please tell us or do a vid on how much all this costs. It sounds expensive 😢
Noted for the next video!
Im running 385 on my s3 8v saloon with an MRC tune, few pops and bangs but i dont throttle it all the time, hoping il be good
I think you'll be okay, too. I've learnt that boost pressures mean so much. But 385 IMO is no where near pushing it. Enjoyable power. Enjoy it!!
What stage are you running joe and what mods mate ? I’m running 365 with stage 1 on my 8v sport back I’ll do stage 2 shortly defo enjoyable power 👌
@@gordy7868 stage 2, full custom exhaust and downpipe
Eventuri intake
Plan to get the intercooler done at some point
@@JoeSnD nice mate 👍
reliability FBO incl hybrid @ 1.84 bar max. stock motor will hold under majority of conditions, climate, weather ect
loving the hoodie!!
You have the prototype. In years to come, when I hit a 100k subs, it will be worth loads LOL!
Ares tuning are awesome
Known Dave for years😉
They all seem like great guys!
How come you've not gone to CM Tuning this time?
No particular reason, but Ares specifically do this type of work. I also want to move to another tuner, which away from MRC. CM are great.
My left earphone is looking forward to the next video.
@@TandTProject LMAO! At first I was like what does he mean…but it’s the first time I’ve used two mics!
I’ve got slight misfire (splutter) on light acceleration and stalling issues on start up when it’s warm
Struggling to find the issue
Sounds like coilpack
As Joe has said below. Could be something very minor. But, maybe just have it checked by a pro. Be good to get some diagnostics!
You’ll end up needing a new engine if you keep driving
Check/replace your Cam adjuster magnets. If that doesn't do it, check/replace your map and put sensors. All are cheap and easy, and are good peace of mind for longevity
@@rnoble4380 map meaning as the tune? Or map/maf sensor?
Map was done by r-tech
Not that I want to out the team who tuned your car, but making note of boost pressure which is referred to often in this video, was the tuners not aware of this? Feels like, and correct me if I’m wrong, if you kept the boost around 1.9, the engine wouldn’t have blown?
It’s a fair comment to make. I used to drive the car in med boost 1.9 bar for 95% of the time. But tbh, I’ve been seeing a lot more cars tuned at 2.2 on a stock block, and I’m like.. does that sound promising. I do think it’s more of an intricate thing, meaning, I think boost pressure has its own variables, and I’m no tuning expert. But I think if it was kept at a lower boost, it would have been less likely to have blown up. I’m actually going to remove the current MRC map once’s it built, and go with a different tuner.
@@S3Ranj The videos you’re doing are brilliant - answers so many questions for people who will have who have / are thinking of tuning. I’ve done mild modifications to mine and will be looking at a stage 1 next and this has given me plenty of food for thought. You don’t always find these answers on the internet!!
@@ImRJHead love that man! Thank you! I’m actually super excited to get back for the 2nd instalment which is the week after next. Engine will stripped for the video! 🙌🏾🙌🏾! Make sure you enjoy your car this summer!
@@S3Ranj boost also varies by IAT. On a hot day more boost is required to achieve the same performance so the turbo has to work harder / generates more heat
Nothing new here 😂
Engines are designed to survive the standard specification over a long period but as the milage goes up so dose wear, by putting the engine under more stress ( boost & torque ) you are just shortening the lifespan of components to which they will fail prematurely.
Iv still never understood why people think they can double the power out of a engine and expect it to last
I partially agree. My car for instance hadn’t been driven hard. I regret not doing so. I use to drive it like a queen all the time. A real waste. There are too many variables though. My brother has an RS3 8P, much higher mileage than mine, driven hard, and it’s fine. Like I said, there are many variables. Nathan touched on maintenance, boost pressure, other modifications etc. So to answer your question, quite simply, because there are people out there with cars that are near double the power. It is straight forward, and it isn’t. Depending on the context.
@@S3Ranj yeh I agree the variables are there but pushing more power will always put more wear on the components which will lead to prematurely failures.
One way to look at it is say someone has a 500hp one and it lasts 100k miles before failure then it was probably a good one that would do 200k plus
@@nickthegriffin I do partially agree with you, like I said. There are other things too, that play in people’s thought process, such as, risk versus reward. In any case, I’m glad my engine will be future proofed, so to speak.
@@S3Ranj yeh that's also a good way to look at it 👍
I'm old as f 😂 been doing this for years & although technology has changed as the Americans like to say " no replacement for displacement" 2.0l 4 cylinder will always be a balancing act when looking for performance
@@nickthegriffin Ha, very true indeed! Thanks for watching, really appreciate it.
once a person says its basic physics, close your ear... "when you compress air, it generates heat"?🤣🤣... In simple logic, more boost/air with less fuel results in more heat due to pre ignition and the rest follows...
Incorrect, that quote was “simple logic” referring to the more you compress air, the hotter it will get as molecules are forced closer together (basic physics)
Regardless of air to fuel ratios, that increase in boost will always see a hotter mixture. This is why we see increased exhaust gas temperatures as we increase the boost - the more power you extract, the more heat it will generate with the same afr ratio
As for “the more heat due to pre ignition” - pre-ignition is a result of increased cylinder/piston temperature, not a reason for increased cylinder temperatures. It is a pre-spark combustion caused by fuel igniting prematurely as a result of cylinder temps exceeding the lower heating value of the fuel used
I can't comment, as I didn't do well in Physics! 😅
If pre-igntion was the sole cause for more heat I dont think the intercooler would be before the air reaches the engine..... 😂
Its almost like compressing air does indeed cause it to heat up 🤔 hence why the more boost you run the larger/higher density of intercooler you want to run to keep intake air temps as close to ambient as possible.
oh god. You didnt go to Ares... Be prepared for a fucked build, under specced components and bad workmanship putting your car back together! Worst decision of your life going there
😂😂😂 based on what? Our extremely good reputation? Quite slanderous comments there buddy - care to elaborate?
@@wosa9461 Welcome to the internet! 😁
From my experience, and things I've heard, I'm not concerned. I'm confident my car will come back better!