I bought a BOA system and hated it, the shop let me exchange it. The boot was stiff and didn't keep my foot down nicely, so I went with a Nitro Crown TLS quick lace system. Not as pretty or "cool" but honestly very easy and quick to use and my foot is so beautifully secure. I prefer function over design gimmick in this case. It's also slimmer and so it works better with my bindings
Hey Jess! Cool channel, it's almost like you were describing me! haha I think with any system, laces or boa or speed, there are good models and not so good models. Some boots implement BOA really well and the fit is good. What I did recently was take out the inner liner from my Nitro Select TLS and put it in my DC Scout BOA shell for a better internal fit but I still have that BOA convenience. I haven't been able to go out and really test it on the slopes yet due to lockdown so we'll see how it goes. Thanks for watching and commenting! Will check out more of your vids.
@@fj5 the Nitro inner liner is that good huh. I find it a but messy and unsightly, but honestly in use it's not a big deal. You put your snowpants over and never see it again. And it's so ways to adjust. I do find I have to tighten it mid day but I feel any system would be the same, and I forgot to use the little handles on the outer and inner part, that makes is so easy to loosen and remove
@@GadgetsGearCoffee so I was able to test the Nitro Select TLS liner in the DC Scout BOA. I still had a bit of heel lift but definitely a nicer liner. Ah well, can't have it all.
Maybe it's a generation thing but the older I get, the lazier... haha So I'm appreciating convenience a lot more. I think I'd really like a pair of boots with the double BOA setup. Now I'm trying to swap around my inner liners and put my Nitro Select TLS liners inside my DC Scout BOA for a better internal fit. As for changing from cable to rope, I'm guessing it's to reduce the wear and tear on the boot caused by the metal cables so that's a good idea. Either way, will probably still need to retighten throughout the day.
The lacing systems aren't really dependent on your skill level as a rider. It really just depends on your personal preference and budget. I find most beginners have a lot of other stuff to think about when starting out with snowboarding so I'd lean toward more convenience than performance so in that regard, BOA wins. Comes down to what you can afford after buying all the other hardware. :) Hope that helps!
@@TwinbeeUK I just saw this comment, sorry for the delay! I'm really enjoying my new Double BOA boots, the DC Travis Rice BOA. I find the distribution of tension to be comfortable and secure and the convenience is still there when putting them on. I found that I don't have to tighten the boots again after initially dialing them in at the beginning.
You described it so well. I am telling my brother to get a pair of second hand boa as for his "get him started boots" u am a bit worried about the heel lift and not too secure /snug feeling. I am using quick lacing system. Bought brand new cuz when I went trying on my boots, every boots I have tried isn't give me the snug feeling. Some even hurting my ankle . I have tried Burton, thirty two, deluxe, and eventually I settled in Solomon. Although I was hoping to get a nice one. Nice color or whatever but nothing works for my feet ex except this pair both feet feel snugged and comfortable the ankle area didn't hurt . Do u have any suggestion when buying a second hand. Or how should one feel when the boot fit for the first time. U have owned so many pairs I wonder if they all feel snug and comfortable? I just didn't think it would work if it is not instantly comfortable. What do u think
Sorry for the late reply, I just saw this comment now! You definitely want to try on a number of different boots to see which one fits best (both snug and comfortable). I have found that different brands and models do fit differently even if they're the same size. I have experienced heel lift on lower end models but not on higher end models. A nice solid ankle lockdown lacing system helps prevent heel lift. Replacing the insole with something thicker could also help fill that gap. For comparison sake, I have flat feet with a somewhat wider forefoot. I've recently invested in DC double boa boots and I love them!
The BOA ratchet system bites/pinches/squeezes the cables to hold them in place but even when the knob is locked, tension over time will pull on and loosen the cables. A knot will actually stop the lace from loosening when it reaches its maximum tightness because the more you tug on the lace, the tighter the knot gets.
Well, it's not reliable, my vans infuse broke after just 17 days. Vans is not responsible and Boa will see if they give me repair but even so the base is bad, difficult to fix it, money wasted on the window never again Boa ,Vans terrible customer service
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I bought a BOA system and hated it, the shop let me exchange it. The boot was stiff and didn't keep my foot down nicely, so I went with a Nitro Crown TLS quick lace system. Not as pretty or "cool" but honestly very easy and quick to use and my foot is so beautifully secure. I prefer function over design gimmick in this case. It's also slimmer and so it works better with my bindings
Hey Jess! Cool channel, it's almost like you were describing me! haha I think with any system, laces or boa or speed, there are good models and not so good models. Some boots implement BOA really well and the fit is good. What I did recently was take out the inner liner from my Nitro Select TLS and put it in my DC Scout BOA shell for a better internal fit but I still have that BOA convenience. I haven't been able to go out and really test it on the slopes yet due to lockdown so we'll see how it goes. Thanks for watching and commenting! Will check out more of your vids.
@@fj5 the Nitro inner liner is that good huh. I find it a but messy and unsightly, but honestly in use it's not a big deal. You put your snowpants over and never see it again. And it's so ways to adjust. I do find I have to tighten it mid day but I feel any system would be the same, and I forgot to use the little handles on the outer and inner part, that makes is so easy to loosen and remove
@@GadgetsGearCoffee so I was able to test the Nitro Select TLS liner in the DC Scout BOA. I still had a bit of heel lift but definitely a nicer liner. Ah well, can't have it all.
so what is your favorite system now? Burton has upgraded their BOA from cable wire to new England rope, any thoughts on that?
Maybe it's a generation thing but the older I get, the lazier... haha So I'm appreciating convenience a lot more. I think I'd really like a pair of boots with the double BOA setup. Now I'm trying to swap around my inner liners and put my Nitro Select TLS liners inside my DC Scout BOA for a better internal fit.
As for changing from cable to rope, I'm guessing it's to reduce the wear and tear on the boot caused by the metal cables so that's a good idea. Either way, will probably still need to retighten throughout the day.
Which boots would be best for beginners? Laces or boa?
The lacing systems aren't really dependent on your skill level as a rider. It really just depends on your personal preference and budget. I find most beginners have a lot of other stuff to think about when starting out with snowboarding so I'd lean toward more convenience than performance so in that regard, BOA wins. Comes down to what you can afford after buying all the other hardware. :) Hope that helps!
boa puts uneven pressure. soft where its supposed to be tight and tight where its not needed. also they loosen throughout the day.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
How about double boa?
@@TwinbeeUK I just saw this comment, sorry for the delay! I'm really enjoying my new Double BOA boots, the DC Travis Rice BOA. I find the distribution of tension to be comfortable and secure and the convenience is still there when putting them on. I found that I don't have to tighten the boots again after initially dialing them in at the beginning.
You described it so well. I am telling my brother to get a pair of second hand boa as for his "get him started boots" u am a bit worried about the heel lift and not too secure /snug feeling. I am using quick lacing system. Bought brand new cuz when I went trying on my boots, every boots I have tried isn't give me the snug feeling. Some even hurting my ankle . I have tried Burton, thirty two, deluxe, and eventually I settled in Solomon. Although I was hoping to get a nice one. Nice color or whatever but nothing works for my feet ex except this pair both feet feel snugged and comfortable the ankle area didn't hurt . Do u have any suggestion when buying a second hand. Or how should one feel when the boot fit for the first time. U have owned so many pairs I wonder if they all feel snug and comfortable? I just didn't think it would work if it is not instantly comfortable. What do u think
Sorry for the late reply, I just saw this comment now! You definitely want to try on a number of different boots to see which one fits best (both snug and comfortable). I have found that different brands and models do fit differently even if they're the same size. I have experienced heel lift on lower end models but not on higher end models. A nice solid ankle lockdown lacing system helps prevent heel lift. Replacing the insole with something thicker could also help fill that gap. For comparison sake, I have flat feet with a somewhat wider forefoot. I've recently invested in DC double boa boots and I love them!
Please explain how boa relies on friction and knots don't. I would say the exact opposite. Doesn't boa work from a reel that is locked with a ratchet?
The BOA ratchet system bites/pinches/squeezes the cables to hold them in place but even when the knob is locked, tension over time will pull on and loosen the cables. A knot will actually stop the lace from loosening when it reaches its maximum tightness because the more you tug on the lace, the tighter the knot gets.
I have flow rival with speedlacing and they have a lock, the lace never come loose
I googled your boots, they look pretty sweet. So the lock isn't friction based?
Well, it's not reliable, my vans infuse broke after just 17 days. Vans is not responsible and Boa will see if they give me repair but even so the base is bad, difficult to fix it, money wasted on the window never again Boa ,Vans terrible customer service
Man, I'm sorry to hear you're having such a terrible experience. I recently purchased some double BOA models from DC and I'm absolutely loving them!
Lace...
Thanks for watching and commenting!