Why Study the Syrian Orthodox Church with Father Samuel Issa
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- Dr Mary Cunningham talks about the Syrian Orthodox Church with Fr Samuel Issa (a priest in that church). This is a community of Christians who have lived in the Levant since the time of Jesus and whose language, Syriac, is a development of Aramaic.
i hear a lot of the time about syrian history i remember father Ephrem syrian father God save all christain world & Orthodox
i.m from Ethiopian
Hello. No offence but the Oriental Christology is not Orthodox. It is based on the Monophysitism of Severus of Antioch. His beliefs are summarized, for example, in the article of the Coptic author Mina Soliman ''St.Severus of Antiovh and the Julianist controversy":,,Severus believed that the humanity of Christ is filled with divine energy, but that does not ignore the human energy. … Julian would criticize Severus that he becomes no different from Pope Leo of Rome and the Chalcedonians, but Severus would retort that the subject of the willing and acting is the Logos, which he would contest Pope Leo did not confess.“
If, when referring to the time after the Incarnation, by ,,one subject“ we understand one Person/Hypostasis in Christ, it is right and it is true that the Hypostasis/Person of the Word which was one before the Incarnation, remained one after the Incarnation with the difference that the simple Hypostasis before the Incarnation became complex after the Incarnation in the sense that now two nature subsisted in it - divine and human. Will - divine or human, is a natural property and of course, its mode is always hypostatic because the Person/Hypostasis of Christ is one. But if we say that the subject of the human willing and acting after the Incarnation, is the Logos, the Logos Itself, the Word Itself, the Word alone, then there appears an issue. This is because the expressions the Logos, the Logos Itself, the Word itself, the Word alone refer to the Person/Hypostasis of the Logos and to the divinity, to the divine nature and energy since the eternal Logos’ own nature and energy, i.e. the eternal nature and energy of the Logos, are only the divine nature and energy unlike the created human nature and energy which became His own nature and energy in addition to the eternal divine nature and energy after the Incarnation when the Logos assumed the created human nature and energy. That way, when we say that the Logos is the subject of the human willing and actions, since the willing and the actions - both divine and human are not hypostatic but belong to the nature, it follows that the human willing and actions belong to His divine nature and so proceed from His divine energy. That would mean that his human nature does not have its own energy.
Therefore, it would follow that after the Incarnation the divine nature and energy of Christ have changed as they would now have two wills and kinds of actions - divine and human, i.e. it would follow that God has changed which is impossible (James 1:17). Also, if the divine nature and energy have changed after the Incarnation, that would mean either that the divine nature and energy of Christ only have changed which would cause a split in the Trinity, or that since the divine nature and energy are common for the Three Persons, the divine nature and energy of all Three Persons have changed which would mean that the Three Persons have Incarnated. A split of the Trinity is impossible because God is One Being in Three Persons and it is not that the Three Persons have incarnated because only the Word that became flesh (John 1:14). So, the human willing and actions of Christ do not belong to the divine nature and proceed from the divine energy but instead belong to the human nature and proceed from the energy of the human nature, i.e. the created human nature of Christ has its own energy.
Therefore, although it is true that the subject of the human willing and actions is the Person/Hypostasis of the Word because the Hypostasis before and after the Incarnation is one and so the mode of the wills is hypostatic as it was already said, it is wrong to say that it is the Logos which is the subject of the human willing and actions because the expression ,,the Logos“ refers to the divine nature and energy, except to the Hypostasis of the Logos, i.e. it does not refer to the assumed human nature and energy and that would suggest that there occured a change in God’s nature after the Incarnation of the Word and also that His human nature does not have its own energy. As it was shown, both suggestions are not true. As the eternal Logos’ own nature and energy, i.e. the eternal nature and energy of the Logos, are only the divine nature and energy, to say that after the Incarnation it is the Logos, i.e. the Logos Itself, that is the subject of both the divine and human willing and actions, means to confuse Hypostasis and nature - in this case the divine nature. It would be precise if we say that it is the Incarnate Logos or incarnate Word which is the subject of the divine and human willing and actions because those expressions - Incarnate Logos, incarnate Word, refer to both nature - divine and human as the word ,,incarnate“ refers specifically to the created human nature of Christ. St.Leo says in his Tome the following which is rejected by Severus:,,For as “God” is not changed by the compassion [exhibited], so “Man” is not consumed by the dignity [bestowed]. For each “form” does the acts which belong to it, in communion with the other; the Word, that is, performing what belongs to the Word, and the flesh carrying out what belongs to the flesh; the one of these shines out in miracles, the other succumbs to injuries.“
Since the eternal Word’s own nature and energy, i.e. the eternal nature and energy of the Logos, are only the divine nature and energy, wherefore it is wrong to say that after the Incarnation it is the Word, i.e. the Word Itself, that is the subject of the human willing and actions because it would mean that since the human willing and actions belong to the nature, belong to the divine nature, St.Leo is right when he says that the Word, i.e. the Word Itself perfoms what belongs to the Word, i.e. only the divine actions. When he says that the flesh performs the human actions, he does not mean in a Nestorian sense but only in the sense that the human actions proceed from the human energy which is not the Word, i.e. the Word Itself Whose energy is only the divine energy from which there proceed only the divine actions.
In addition it must be said that St.Cyril explains his the famous phrase ,,Mia Physis Tou Theou Logou Sesarkomene“ in his second letter to Succensus:,,For if we had said that there was one nature of the Word and had kept silent and not added that it was ‘incarnate’, as if we were excluding the economy, they might perhaps have had a point when they pretended to ask where was the perfection in the humanity or how did our human essence endure. But since both the perfection in the humanity and the assertion of our human essence is implied by the word ‘incarnate’ then let them stop leaning on this broken staff (Is.36.6). For if anyone took away from the Son his perfect humanity he could rightly be accused of throwing the economy overboard, and of denying the incarnation.“ As he explains, the phrase refers to Christ’s human nature, so it is not used in a non-Chalcedonian sense. In accordance with the explaination of St.Cyril, the correct translation of the phrse is ,,One Incarnated Nature of the Word“ and not as it is sometimes incorrectly translated:,,one nature of the Word Incarnate“.
Another argument against the acceptance that according to his human nature Christ is a fully human (without the reference to His human nature as a fully human implying Nestorianism), which is held by the Severians was that there is not a nature with no hypostasis (subsistence) and since His human nature came to subsist in the pre-existent Hypostasis of the Word after the Incarnation, thus not having its own hypostasis, it cannot be referred to as a fully human because that would imply Nestorianism. But St.John of Damascus dedicates one of the chapters in his ,,Exact exposition of the Orthodox faith“ exactly to that question of the Severians and he refutes that wrong view. St.John of Damascus, Exact expositon of the Orthodox faith, Book 3, Chapter IX. In reply to the question whether there is Nature that has no Subsistence:,,For although there is no nature without subsistence, nor essence apart from person (since in truth it is in persons and subsistences that essence and nature are to be contemplated), yet it does not necessarily follow that the natures that are united to one another in subsistence should have each its own proper subsistence. For after they have come together into one subsistence, it is possible that neither should they be without subsistence, nor should each have its own peculiar subsistence, but that both should have one and the same subsistence. For since one and the same subsistence of the Word has become the subsistence of the natures, neither of them is permitted to be without subsistence, nor are they allowed to have subsistences that differ from each other, or to have sometimes the subsistence of this nature and sometimes of that, but always without division or separation they both have the same subsistence--a subsistence which is not broken up into parts or divided, so that one part should belong to this, and one to that, but which belongs wholly to this and wholly to that in its absolute entirety. For the flesh of God the Word did not subsist as an independent subsistence, nor did there arise another subsistence (hypostasis) besides that of God the Word, but as it existed in that it became rather a subsistence which subsisted in another, than one which was an independent subsistence (hypostasis). Wherefore, neither does it lack subsistence (hyspoastsis) altogether, nor yet is there thus introduced into the Trinity another subsistence (hypostasis).“
So the human nature of Christ subsists in the Hypostasis of the Word and that means neither that the human nature is without a hypostasis. It took the Hypostasis of the Word as its own hypostasis. Therefore the argument that the human nature of Christ cannot be referred to as a fully human because it does not have its own hypostasis, is refuted. Therefore, since the human nature of Christ has its own energy and is not without a hypostasis, it can be referred to as a fully human without that being Nestorianism.
In addition, it must be said that the non-Chalcedonians are still in schism and heresy.
Long live the Aramean people the Aramaic language and our Syriac orthodox Church!
bnay orom
Ahna kulan suryoye
Very knowledgeable about the subject. Proud to be a Syriac..
It's very interesting, I'm Syriac Catholic and I move closer to the Syrian Orthodox tradition for the quality of his monastic life, I am also very interested in our other sisters Armenian churches, Coptic, Ethiopian.
Also Indian orthodox
It is not called Indian Orthodox, its still called Syriac Orthodox church in Kerala (India)
gusbuluda v true...
Thank you Abgar Ukama iam Ethiopian Orthodox follower i like the tradition of Syriac Orthodox and other sister churches of Oriental Orthodoxy
@@gusbuluda no bro...Indian orthodox is the followers of the throne of st Thomas who came here in ad 54 and established a church here ...It's in later 1657 only we seaked the help of syrian orthodox to fight against the catholic church brought by Portuguese
Thank you so much for keeping these productions available. I have been very blessed by all of them!
Thank you father Samuel. For a very professional and interesting interview, hope to see more
Ho! Saint' Efraim 's book in here Ethiopia we have still now within us!! He is for us ptaron saint!! 😪🙏🙋👍🌾🌾🌾🌾
Thank you Dr. Cunningham for this short interview with Fr. Samuel Issa. It is wonderful to know that Western Churches have started developing "taste for antik Churches." I was glad to attend a service of blessing of Holy Oils in a C of E church. The bishop explained with relevant biblical references each step. For most clergy who were present this was the first time they sensed sacramental values and dimension of spiritual blessing. To God be the glory and proud to be a Syriac Christian.
Very beautiful.
Especially the poem of st ephraim.
Idid not know that they were sung in the church in holy mass.
classicalchristianity.com/2012/05/19/are-the-non-chalcedonians-orthodox/
Nice video
My right ear is lonely.
Amén
All glory be to Christ
She failed to mention the Malankara Orthodox (Kerala, India)
Are u from kerala
Why to mention that group ??
@@Rajesh-vq8vgThey’re Jacobite and entered communion after splitting off from the Church of the East
Why would she mention some false church with no connection to syrian liturgy
Very nice hystiry of syriac
So for the consecrated couples, is that a group that continues and, if so, did they dress as monastics?
I desire to study Syriac orthodoxy, how can I do it?
You can start going to Syriac orthodox church, pray that God helps you and that He gives you power
I would like to point out that the renunciation of Sex by a Married couple, except perhaps due to age or temporary abstention for Prayer, is contrary to Paul's teaching in Scripture in 1 Corinthians 5:7
Marriage is not for those who are concerned of Jesus and not in their sexual urge. See chapter 1 Corinthians 7
1:20 Apostolic Origins? If this is the Antioch Church mentioned in Acts 11 (First place the term Christian was used), then it was set up by Paul, not one of the Apostles.
Aramean Syriac monk
It's odd that a country as evil as the USA that has the cheek to call it's self Christian would persecute the Syrian nation who is so majicaly majestic not least for it's honourable and preciously pious Orthodox Church that shines so bright from in the heart of Christ Jesus. JJ
It is not the american peoples fault, rather the governments. And unfortunately they prioritize the petrolium more than the Christianity, even though the first churches were founded on the south east parts of Turkey (known as Tur Abdin). The Arameans made up the population of the whole area, not only Syria, even Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, and some in Israel as well...
Today the Arameans (Syriacs) only corresponds to between 6-9 % of Syrias population. And only a few thousands left in southeast Turkey, Tur Abdin :(
Syria isn't really the country of the Syriac Orthodox church or the "Syriac" people. We are the real (As)syrians from northern mesopotamia, while most inhabitants of modern-day Syria are different people with different genes. The term Syrians was used by the Greeks for both us and the people living west of us. The country Syria has only existed for a little over a century. Syrian Orthodox Christians in Syria are almost all descendants of refugees from South-East Turkey.
@@barnosho1611 Most Syrians and people in Iraq are native Canaanite/Aramean/Assyrian population regardless of religion.
@@barnosho1611 assyrians died out 612 bce. We are only aramaens and nothing else
Did Jesus god in their believes?
Yes.
All Christians affirm the divinity of Christ, as taught in the Scriptures; prophesied in the Old Testament and described in the New. And also as maintained by the Church from the apostolic times. It is a very important doctrine.
Read St. Ephrem- this is justification enough.
Malankara syrian orthodox Church????
Its called syriac orthodox church not syrian stop calling it syrian please
Aramean*
Assyrian*
@@aghapetros9381 Syrian*
Assyrian!!!!!!!!!!
*Syriac orthodox church