Ron Tungol Shit bro...whether he dies or not! Wayne gonna need 27 back surgeries from the way he carried Cash Money! Then he had the nerve to go start Young Money...and founded arguably the two hottest artists of our generation in Drake and Nicki (Drake for sure is one of the 🐐)
I know exactly where Joe was going with this when he says "it get's deeper than rap" Let's be honest Drake is the light skinned more marketable pretty boy entertainer while lil Wayne is really not that all attractive anymore,I mean admit it everyone Wayne looks bad now..That's some honest shit right there
I think Joe is insinuating Drake gets more doors opened for him due to both his heritage and the generally lighter content of his music, even tho Wayne has been just as if not more integral to the success of Cash Money/Universal as he has.
I remember when they compared him to all the 90s rappers saying he wouldn’t make it. Now he’s one of the goats because the children now look up to him.
The him vs Eminem era was amazing. I like Eminem more (not the current Em of course) but I definitely feel like Wayne had a bigger impact and influence in rap currently.
Agree I hate that he was walking on egg shells and was get mad cause Rory and Mal weren't. I just don't like when he picks and chooses what he wants to be blunt about. He is afraid to go in on Drake, but had no problem going in on Logic.
He ain't wanna get blackballed cuz he know all of the bosses in the industry would come for his neck if he didn't hold back. Plus, Joe wants a Drake interview when album time comes, so he tip toeing.
Tiktok Daily so later in the pod, Joe went into a mini rant when they were discussing Kanye/Mr Walt Disney’s Christian Tok plan and how other countries have so much power over American media. He then related to the Drake and Wayne conversation on how people who aren’t like “us” have so many privileges in our culture. Basically, he was saying because Drake is Jewish, Universal will bend over backwards to protect him
Thats exactly what he was holding back from. You know the real. Drake has gotten special treatments and privileges in this game that very few others have (and thats not his fault)
Bruh Drake was in Degrassi.. meanwhile lil Wayne'd come up is about as ghetto as it gets.. drake is a better businessman because he comes from being an actor, not the hood. You sound racist and antisemitic as hell
If you pay attention to their careers Drake clearly had better representation. You can attribute that to his Jewish connection that's not anti semite thats a compliment
@@DNYGdj I see y'all keep saying this. Lil Wayne started rapping with Cash Money at 13 or 14. For all intents and purposes Wayne a child star too. You can't shit on his business accumen when he launched the most talent packed label aside from Death Row and I'm pretty sure they outsold Death Row. Kill the Drake is a better business man than Wayne cap
@Tha Imperial P was different not taking nothing from his legacy or Grind himself but Wayne has way more music than P and was doing multiple projects he ran himself into the ground and wasnt compensated for it like he should have been.
When Joe speaks on real shit like this, I love him for it. Don't dance around the elephant in the room. Drake is jew-ISH. Wayne is Black. That's why one's optics (and situation) look a whole lot more successful than the other.
Truth seeking Freethinker Wayne could easily be considered a top 3 rapper ever don’t even try to downplay him because Drake is at his peak that’s a prisoner of the moment statement
I'm not going to brush off what Rory said that quickly. Learn from your predecessors! Whoever they may be. I won't speak on it, but it's helped me in my life 100%.
and he was also so close to Birdman that he probablu let mad shit slide business wise out of loyalty while a guy lile Drake that was already in his 20's probably left all that shit up to management and lawyers.
That's disrespectful. Without Wayne there's no Drake, Nicki, 2 Chainz or Tyga. That nigga should be a billionaire. "100 mill"??? Ewww. Like Joe said, his house should cost 100m
It’s ridiculous! Even in HS not even business knowledgeable I was saying how isn’t Wayne not on Jay Z or Dr Dre level? Man found Drake, Nicki, AND Tyga how isn’t he almost a billionaire or something! Industry is something else
The difference is that Drake actually paid more attention to his contracts and business than Wayne ever did. That's why Drake cleaned house completely of any Cash Money management in 2011 and replace them with Future The Prince and his other Toronto people. Future The Prince set things up nicely for Drake business wise
@@jessecorrea1297 Yeah sure buddy 😂. He's Jewish alright but the real reason He's in a better position than Wayne is because of himself and his team. They clearly have his best interest at heart. Blame Mack Maine and Cortez Bryant for Wayne business not being the same as Drake
I agree but i think Joe is saying that usually when you have a discrepancy with the label and the niggas in your pocket even if you clear house and settle shit the executives will black ball and fuck you over for you not letting them rob you. Somehow Drake is able to get out of bullshit deals ( a tough task already) and then still get funding and support from the label after. Thats not a team thing, thats a someone upstairs loves/respects you thing.
No, there's so many light skin niggas in the game that are broke or don't have a lot of money. It's because Drake is jewish and Universal is run by jewish executives. That's what Joe is getting at.
Wayne is the GOAT, not just because of his lyrical prowess, because of his integrity, his work ethic, his selflessness. I've never seen an artist work like he does. And god forbid he ever passes away, there will be hundreds of millions of dollars made of of his unreleased music, Which is way larger than any other artists entire catlalogue
Racial prejudice. Heritage prejudice. Good decisions vs. Bad décisions. Who you keep your company with. Contract decisions. Who is more palatable to the average music pop consumer....the list goes on and on. End of the day it's a good conversation to have.but then again we are arguing over multimillionaires as I type this from my mom's basement about to do my shift at Krispy Kreme. Peace everyone
wayne really is the best rapper-label owner in my opinion.. or at least in the conversation. he handled SUPERSTARS and kept everyone happy, didn't steal money, and remained friends throughout all of the crazy success and fame. Young Money really seems like it's a family regardless of if they still talk a lot or not.
1. Wayne has had bad contracts and business dealings with parties that executives probably wouldn’t want to get involved with. 2. Wayne’s prime years (in terms of output) came right before the social media/streaming era really started to take off. 3. Drake has a cleaner image and more powerful connections (Jewish?). He’s safer and more versatile for corporations to support 4. Wayne’s personal health problems and Drake’s career trajectory made it easier for Universal to make their decision on who to prioritize.
Y'all heard the new Vic Mensa? That shit is so raw, honest and just real nigga music and he said it's just a tape to hold us over for his sophomore album.
I'm glad Joe pushed to have an honest conversation for this segment. I like how Mal connected Rory's and Joe's point saying there is truth in both points of view.
@babajohn100 Don't be dumb Drake was earning a teachers salary before he was even 18 from acting. By the time he got signed to wayne he'd already accumulated close to 100k. Most rappers are completely broke starting out but Drake was already leasing maybachs, and paying 10k for artists features. The dude had an enormous advantage from having a shit load of clean money for someone 20 years old.
@@CloudTribe I mean still not really, that's only enough to take care of yourself but not your momma, etc, only a fraction of what lil Wayne was making at 16
Drake is loved by dudes and girls are really in love with him. If girls and guys love you, you remain hotter for longer. Also Drake looks like a default guy and looks White, Black, Latino, Arab at the same time. Let me put it this way, you can go to any parent and if their daughter brings home a guy that looks like Drake they'll like it.
@@igot5onit423 You sound dumb lol. Was Jay Z riding Philly rappers wave when he put Beanie Sigel and the rest of State Property on in the early 2000s 😂??
Drake is smarter with his business dealings. Drake also has a more responsible support system. Also he’s a safer investment then Wayne was (considering his drug use). It’s really not hard to understand why Universal would treat them differently.
Right, just look at Wayne today. It is sad to see his current state, his dreads falling out/too many face tattoos and he just looks like a strung out addict in most pics now. Are people saying Wayne in his current state is anywhere near the same level as easy as it is to market Drake lol?
@@JohnMarcization back in Wayne's prime which is what they were talking about ...yes Wayne was just as marketable, Wayne was on top of the world 2005-2011
Difference is the streaming era if Wayne was in his prime during this time he would be bigger than Drake imagine what some of Wayne’s hits would do numbers wise nowadays including his features A Milli Mrs. Officer Bedrock Every Girl Something You Forgot Hustler Musik BMJr I can go on an on and those aren’t even his big hits
@@BlackJesus2047 His mixtapes did 500k in that era. The problem is he's an artist, not a businessman. Baby & Slim had him since he was a child and they failed to groom him properly: It was either purposefully...to take advantage of him, or he just didn't have the ability, intelligence, or interest to understand the business side of the industry.
Wayne is known for his mainstream stuff like carter 3 and some songs off of tha carter 2 but for Wayne fans who listened to all his mixtapes from the dedication series to da drought, to The Suffix which to me is the greatest mixtape ever, to the Prefix, Wayne wasn’t just like a trail blazer because of his style I think people just assume that he had a cool voice and that’s why he’s remembered because everyone sounds like him which is true, but goddamn Wayne was one of the most underrated lyricists EVER, EVER.
I get what joe is saying but he’s trying to hard to discredit the fact that Wayne probably mentor’d tf out of drake and taught him how to move so he don’t end up like Wayne. Yea drake is a half white popstar but pop stars get fucked by the music industry too. Drake is where he’s at because he makes great music and does everything in his power to keep a pristine image to the public. That’s the difference
Let's be honest wayne had drug issues. I hate to say it but Drake image is clean. Can't throw stones at a brick house. I love wayne he just run into a lot of issues.
That's crap yall bring in drug issues like it actually applies here, wayne has never gotten in trouble for the drugs or any of the sort, a label doesnt care about drugs especially when it's not affecting their money
@@ReedMySole wayne started sipping lean during the carter 1 up until his first feature, and during that time multiple platinum albums, 3 grammies, I dont think it ruined his focus at all
@@kidCashOnline yeah but ee talking abour how labels handled him. You foolish to think hes better to market than drake. And drugs and face tats are a factor
@@ReedMySole obviously he is better to market if more ppl bought waynes music than drake, cauz drake to this day still has not pulled in Wayne's numbers
Drake had to look at business different, wayne didnt have the opportunity to ever look at the business that was going on, baby signed wayne at an extremely young age
Drake has more of a following and a bigger reach with his music because he's half white. He was signed to one nigga, that's signed to another nigga, that's signed to another nigga...Ya'll heard what Pusha said. He wasn't looking at business any different. He was just more marketable.
@@blakseed Push is on Good music which is under Universal, so He is signed to a nigga that's signed to a nigga. Drake being half white is part of it, yet has nothing to do with his work ethic. Imagine if the US treated a rapper the way Canada does for him. It took Drake years to even get those opportunities
What joe is missing is that drake had a bad deal by today's standards but no where near the lil wayne signed at 11 in the 90''s kind of bad deal. He had more leverage and had insane offers from every label before he signed with young money. He was also an actor and older so he didn't just sign blindly. The problem with drake's contract is multiple people having a cut ie wayne, baby, universal, and j prince but it wasn't a typical slave deal or 360. Times have changed with social media and streaming. Way more bigger artists are able to renegotiate their deals then in the past but joe is still right to some degree about the race and skin tone thing he is implying.
What was left out of conversation was the connections Drake has that Wayne doesn’t. Drake was also signed to J Prince’s son. That is how Drake stiff armed his way out of Cash Money. Wayne did not have that. Wayne wasn’t going anywhere.
Rory definitely has a point. It's likely Drake learned how *not* to navigate through Wayne's situation. The former isn't linked to Birdman like the latter, so that could explain the differences in trajectory. I *can* see where Joe was heading, though. There are plenty of factors to consider before jumping straight to colorism (Drake being Jewish probably helped him though, as sterotypical as it sounds) imo. Drake and Wayne came up under different circumstances and maintained different brands- and marketability, by extension.
Insightful thought bro. I feel where you’re coming from. So you think Drake being part Jewish gives him doors and opportunities Wayne didn’t have? The epitome of Hip Hop is to be from the hood and talk about that life and be about that life. Think of 50 cent for example he became fifty because of his lack of privilege. Why is it that Drake somehow got passes in the industry that Wayne wouldn’t or couldn’t if Nothing else but the fact that Drake avoided certain pitfalls that Wayne had to suffer?
@@lionel8554 It's hard for me to confidently say his opportunities are *solely* because of his Jewish background, because a factor that's just as significant is the fact that Drake came up in the acting industry. He probably had some foundation of management and industry experience before he was seriously invested in the game. Whereas Lil Wayne, while he came up under an iconic label, may not have had that same type of network; at least not at a similar stage in his career compared to Drake, you know what I mean? There's mad factors in the differences in their careers though, forsake. A legitimate deep-dive comparison would require a lot of nuance.
"LIL WAYNE" 1. Got Money 2. Leather So Soft 3. Money On My Mind 4. Hustlers Music 5. Go DJ 6. Block Is Hot 7. Tha Mobb 8. Bloodline 9. A Milli 10. Mr Carter 11. Grown Man 12. 6 Foot, 7 Foot 13. Fireman 14. On The Grind 15. Best Rapper Alive 16. Shoot Me Down 17. Fuck The World 18. Nightmares At The Bottom 19. Let That Beat Build 20. Mrs Officer Vs "Drake" 1. Best I Ever Had 2. Over 3. Chicago Freestyle 4. Fancy 5. 0 to 100 6. Free Smoke 7. Jumpman 8. Started From The Bottom 9. Summer Sixteen 10. Marvins Room 11. 6 God 12. Headline 13. Lord Knows 14. Gods Plan 15. Forever 16. Energy 17. Hotline Bling 18. Worst Behavior 19. Controlla 20. 5Am In Toronto
No, there's so many light skin niggas in the game that are broke or don't have a lot of money. It's because Drake is jewish and Universal is run by jewish executives. That's what Joe is getting at.
Wayne had records and put so many people on... 2 Chainz, Drake, Nicki, Curren$y, Tyga, Joe Budden (you had that song with Wayne which is how I found about you Joe!!)
5:18 Joe: hundreds of billions. Everyone: I means at least 10’s of billions Lol. In all seriousness, they’ve done too much for Universal for them to be going through any issues.
Good conversation, but if you wanted to be EVEN more honest, you should've mentioned how he did it with NOT ONLY just Drake, but also with Nicki Minaj. No cap. Nicki & Drake literally dominated the 2010's (& along w/ Eminem) were the top best selling rappers of the decade. Those 3. and two of them were because Wayne believed in them. He is owed EVERYTHING. Wayne is a legend, and Drake & Nicki are icons becoming legends, f*ck all the other bs. Period.
His album definitely brings in the money but the mixtapes is what got people to buy in to what Wayne was producing. He used the method of “free now pay later” it grew his Dan base in which people started buying his albums
Drake has surpassed his master but Wayne remains the undefeated 🐐 when it comes to comparing them. And at the end of the day Young Angel & Young Lion Are Both 🐐🐐
You can say that for now but Drake's music ages well too. In hindsight Drake got like over 5 classics (SFG, TC, NWTS, VIEWS, IYRRTITL) including whatever critical acclaimed album he releases. He's already got classic singles tho
Drake has more commercial success yes..but no respectable person who listen to hip hop will ever say Drake is a better rapper then Wayne..been killing shit via freestyle his whole career
Mal doesn’t know what he’s talking about lil Wayne was still releasing music he actually put out 3 projects in one year 2015 sorry for the wait 2, fwa, no ceilings 2
The GOAT Is KOMING he wasn’t being specific and if that’s the case Fwa was an official project that came out commercially also collygrove and the t-Wayne project, his statement was not true I could see how he would say it because he didn’t pay enough attention to how the music was released
The GOAT Is KOMING false fwa was released on tidal as a tidal exclusive it was not a mixtape it’s an actual lil Wayne album look it up also collegrove came out under two chainz name lil Wayne had majority of features he put the projects out differently that’s all look this stuff up those projects aren’t mixtapes
Naw wayne did fall back purposely so cashmoney wouldnt make no more new money from him. He sacrificed 4 or 5 years of him career so he could get off of cashmoney. Thats why in chance the rapper NO PROBLEM song he saus i feel like i sacrificed so much i feel like JESUS CARTER
Mobcity Records fwa got taken down by every streaming service except tidal even the single glory so it possibly could t be released commercially as Tidal was still a very new app with less than a million subscribers. Collegrove and T Wayne album were t an official release for Wayne and not even a collab tape because his label wasn’t on it and he was featured on every track but 1 or 2 to ensure that it was still a 2 Chainz project and hence why it was released by def Jam . The joint with t pain was also put out for free . Wayne’s last album put out commercially was 2013 ianahb 2 last big singles were love me, no worries and rich as fuck . That was the last time Wayne did anything commercial for him self till Carter 5 . So yea joe is absolutely right
"He spent his lifetime going platinum & gold..he should own half of the label, shit outta control!"
Man since he was a kid
Who said this bar?
Thinker Haist Drake on the family feud remix
MadShooterGuy72PS jay z?
Wayne “blank check in your face put some respect on my shit” same song
If it wasn’t for Wayne it wouldn’t be a lot of this dudes in the game including me - 2 Chainz.
There’s no one in hip hop that had more babies in the game than Weezy F Baby n that’s a facto
BiggSL33per Rakim
Faxxxxes and factamentoses
Mochicho Aguilar no
BiggSL33per Kanye
“Wayne is owed a blank check!” That’s a fact.
Real talk
A super fact
FACCTTSS
Ron Tungol Shit bro...whether he dies or not! Wayne gonna need 27 back surgeries from the way he carried Cash Money! Then he had the nerve to go start Young Money...and founded arguably the two hottest artists of our generation in Drake and Nicki (Drake for sure is one of the 🐐)
He was given one.
I love when joe has those “deeper than rap” conversations about the industry, it’s insightful
I know exactly where Joe was going with this when he says "it get's deeper than rap" Let's be honest Drake is the light skinned more marketable pretty boy entertainer while lil Wayne is really not that all attractive anymore,I mean admit it everyone Wayne looks bad now..That's some honest shit right there
I can’t get enough of it
I think Joe is insinuating Drake gets more doors opened for him due to both his heritage and the generally lighter content of his music, even tho Wayne has been just as if not more integral to the success of Cash Money/Universal as he has.
Yeah that’s what he’s getting at where as universal let Wayne just disappear due to contract issues instead of rectifying them
Thulsa Doom podcast is soft. He acknowledges it via the everyone’s in a “gang” now and will beat me up.
And Joe has said multiple times Drake gets a lot of behind-the-scenes benefits because of his heritage. So idk why he’s pussy footing around it
I thought it was that and Universal saw the trajectory that drake was heading that they knew they had to keep him as happy as possible.
@Lit Nation i wasn't saying that wasnt a reason. I totally agree.
Wayne still one of the greatest Rappers ever period
I remember when they compared him to all the 90s rappers saying he wouldn’t make it. Now he’s one of the goats because the children now look up to him.
to bad he hardly rapped about anything of substance
If Wayne brought in Drake, Nicķi and Tyga there's no excuse for him not to be sitting on 100-300 million.
The him vs Eminem era was amazing. I like Eminem more (not the current Em of course) but I definitely feel like Wayne had a bigger impact and influence in rap currently.
And one of the richest despite what Joe is saying!
There’s no Drake without Wayne, period.
Tyvonn Toney He’d exist lol but Wayne provided his style, star power, label connects, and god knows what else
That’s what Drake said...
@@Arthur-rf6rz Drake had a bidding war for himself going in 2009. Wayne wasn't the only one trying to sign him 😂
You forget how much buzz drake had & how many labels wanted to sign him before he chose Wayne
Tyvonn Toney really actually for the most Part
This was a good conversation, but I could tell Joe was holding back a bit.
Agree I hate that he was walking on egg shells and was get mad cause Rory and Mal weren't. I just don't like when he picks and chooses what he wants to be blunt about. He is afraid to go in on Drake, but had no problem going in on Logic.
He ain't wanna get blackballed cuz he know all of the bosses in the industry would come for his neck if he didn't hold back. Plus, Joe wants a Drake interview when album time comes, so he tip toeing.
He tired of Rory and Mals pc nature.
@@lstarsabb he aint scared to go in on Drake its Wayne he's afraid of goin in on
ITS AUTOMATIK He wouldn’t be going in on Wayne or Drake. He would be attacking Universal, that’s why he doesn’t want to be blunt.
“Salute Ross cause the message was pure. He see what I see when you see Wayne on tour” - Pusha T
Yeah this the one. You hit it on the head posting that bar
Jacob Williams it’s heartbreaking how they did Wayne
Just listened to that today right before work what a bar 🔥🔥
Brothers, can someone explain this one to me? He just saying there a diff level of investment in them by the label?
Terrance Dove You American? Or 12?
I think I know what Joe was alluding to but he was trying not to get Nick Cannon’d
Bryçe Bryan enlighten the viewer ship, what was Joe tryna get at here.
Mic’s yours: 🎤
Yup
+Bryce Bryan It's pretty obvious. I understood that.
Put simply what he was talking about is the fact that Drake is Jewish. Pointing that out isn't bad but using that implication for his success is iffy.
Tiktok Daily so later in the pod, Joe went into a mini rant when they were discussing Kanye/Mr Walt Disney’s Christian Tok plan and how other countries have so much power over American media. He then related to the Drake and Wayne conversation on how people who aren’t like “us” have so many privileges in our culture. Basically, he was saying because Drake is Jewish, Universal will bend over backwards to protect him
It’s because he’s Jewish and Joe ain’t want to say it straight up to risk losing his partnership
This is wot Wiley was trying to say in regards to powerful Jews in the industry.
Thats exactly what he was holding back from. You know the real. Drake has gotten special treatments and privileges in this game that very few others have (and thats not his fault)
His Jewish heritage wasn't the difference. Drake has a better image for many reasons.
Joe be onto some shit but people don't listen. He's not talking about popularity. He's saying something deeper. He's talking about racial issues.
Bingo
Facts he didn't mention Drake is Jewish but that's what he eluded to but Parks Mal or Rory didn't seem to pick up on that
Wayne and Drake live completely different lifestyles. Why is race the immediate reason for their different turnouts
Its not about race, drake was actor. Lil wayne was a gangster.. who's gonna be better business man?
Finally someone smart who gets it
Is Joe implying that Drake had some Jewish assistance that Wayne didn't have since Drake's a biracial Jew?
Pretty much
Bruh Drake was in Degrassi.. meanwhile lil Wayne'd come up is about as ghetto as it gets.. drake is a better businessman because he comes from being an actor, not the hood. You sound racist and antisemitic as hell
@@DNYGdj STFU. Y'all love yelling antisemitism anytime somebody calls out blatant truths that aren't even offensive nor anti anything.
If you pay attention to their careers Drake clearly had better representation. You can attribute that to his Jewish connection that's not anti semite thats a compliment
@@DNYGdj I see y'all keep saying this. Lil Wayne started rapping with Cash Money at 13 or 14. For all intents and purposes Wayne a child star too. You can't shit on his business accumen when he launched the most talent packed label aside from Death Row and I'm pretty sure they outsold Death Row. Kill the Drake is a better business man than Wayne cap
Wayne's grind was unmatched.
* is
i think that's joe's point. he deserves the money that reflects his years of grinding and selflessness.
@Tha Imperial P was different not taking nothing from his legacy or Grind himself but Wayne has way more music than P and was doing multiple projects he ran himself into the ground and wasnt compensated for it like he should have been.
Tha Imperial how is Wayne a worker if he owns his own label & has owned it for damn near 20 years?
50 would like to have talk
When Joe speaks on real shit like this, I love him for it. Don't dance around the elephant in the room. Drake is jew-ISH. Wayne is Black. That's why one's optics (and situation) look a whole lot more successful than the other.
I can see where you're coming from and I agree
You know you can be Jewish and black right 😂😂
Or, maybe drake is just a better artist than Wayne. Shocker
Drake is also black lol. Jewish isn’t a race.
Truth seeking Freethinker Wayne could easily be considered a top 3 rapper ever don’t even try to downplay him because Drake is at his peak that’s a prisoner of the moment statement
No wayne allowed drake to be a boss. Baby never let wayne go.
Facts!
If this was “facts” Drake wouldn’t have need Lucian Grainge to assist in getting him out of the Cash Money deal…
I'm not going to brush off what Rory said that quickly. Learn from your predecessors! Whoever they may be. I won't speak on it, but it's helped me in my life 100%.
Luis Fermin a smart man learns from his own mistakes but a wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
The difference starts with the fact that Wayne was signed at 14....
Matthew he was not signed at 9 though you goof . Wayne got signed at 11
Exactly
@Matthew are you serious? Wayne had songs on the radio at 14...lol
@Matthew calling her take stupid and then making an idiotic comment. 😂🤦♂️
and he was also so close to Birdman that he probablu let mad shit slide business wise out of loyalty while a guy lile Drake that was already in his 20's probably left all that shit up to management and lawyers.
Yea Wayne at minimum is owed 100 mil
I think he got it, or he got that 50 mil
nhlahla sithole agreed he should be able to pick a number
That's disrespectful. Without Wayne there's no Drake, Nicki, 2 Chainz or Tyga. That nigga should be a billionaire. "100 mill"??? Ewww. Like Joe said, his house should cost 100m
Michael do you not know what minimum means?
@@Awsme_J yes I do awesome j. That's a low ass minimum
The ill thing is that what Joe is insinuating has been spoken since Drake popped up on the scene, but swept under the rug.
It’s ridiculous! Even in HS not even business knowledgeable I was saying how isn’t Wayne not on Jay Z or Dr Dre level? Man found Drake, Nicki, AND Tyga how isn’t he almost a billionaire or something! Industry is something else
Bird man.
Drake's Jew.....Wayne's Black..... That's what popped into my head during this discussion.
The difference is that Drake actually paid more attention to his contracts and business than Wayne ever did. That's why Drake cleaned house completely of any Cash Money management in 2011 and replace them with Future The Prince and his other Toronto people. Future The Prince set things up nicely for Drake business wise
Drake got signed older and had a lot more financial literacy, partially due to his Jewish upbringing.
hahaha you wish it was this shallow a convo. He's jewish.
@@jessecorrea1297 Yeah sure buddy 😂. He's Jewish alright but the real reason He's in a better position than Wayne is because of himself and his team. They clearly have his best interest at heart. Blame Mack Maine and Cortez Bryant for Wayne business not being the same as Drake
@@rodneyscott5450 yeah yeah lol
I agree but i think Joe is saying that usually when you have a discrepancy with the label and the niggas in your pocket even if you clear house and settle shit the executives will black ball and fuck you over for you not letting them rob you. Somehow Drake is able to get out of bullshit deals ( a tough task already) and then still get funding and support from the label after. Thats not a team thing, thats a someone upstairs loves/respects you thing.
“You hear my insides” 🤣😂🤣🤣🤣
Joe is saying they were treated differently because of their skin tone.
Because Drake is jewish
No, there's so many light skin niggas in the game that are broke or don't have a lot of money. It's because Drake is jewish and Universal is run by jewish executives. That's what Joe is getting at.
Edwin JP Yeah u right. I get it now.
Wayne is the GOAT, not just because of his lyrical prowess, because of his integrity, his work ethic, his selflessness. I've never seen an artist work like he does. And god forbid he ever passes away, there will be hundreds of millions of dollars made of of his unreleased music, Which is way larger than any other artists entire catlalogue
Racial prejudice. Heritage prejudice. Good decisions vs. Bad décisions. Who you keep your company with. Contract decisions. Who is more palatable to the average music pop consumer....the list goes on and on. End of the day it's a good conversation to have.but then again we are arguing over multimillionaires as I type this from my mom's basement about to do my shift at Krispy Kreme. Peace everyone
The difference is Drake’s connections
Tiktok Daily everyone sleeps heavy one that
Mmmmmm okay now this all makes sense
Lmao yo Drake had Jew connects, Larry Graham and Teeny Hodges for uncles, J Prince and Lil Wayne all on his side since his debut. He would never fail.
Big facts
And he’s an actor.. 🤷🏽♂️
wayne really is the best rapper-label owner in my opinion.. or at least in the conversation. he handled SUPERSTARS and kept everyone happy, didn't steal money, and remained friends throughout all of the crazy success and fame. Young Money really seems like it's a family regardless of if they still talk a lot or not.
1. Wayne has had bad contracts and business dealings with parties that executives probably wouldn’t want to get involved with.
2. Wayne’s prime years (in terms of output) came right before the social media/streaming era really started to take off.
3. Drake has a cleaner image and more powerful connections (Jewish?). He’s safer and more versatile for corporations to support
4. Wayne’s personal health problems and Drake’s career trajectory made it easier for Universal to make their decision on who to prioritize.
Damn Joe, you really got me thinking now because y'all touched on some good points especially the one about Wayne going to jail
💔💔💔💔
WAYNE IS THE GREATEST MUSIC ARTIST OF ALL TIME
What crack you smoking on? 😂🤪
@@AkilJacob cant be better than what ur smoking if u dont agree
Y'all heard the new Vic Mensa? That shit is so raw, honest and just real nigga music and he said it's just a tape to hold us over for his sophomore album.
I'm glad Joe pushed to have an honest conversation for this segment. I like how Mal connected Rory's and Joe's point saying there is truth in both points of view.
This is the best podcast in the game for conversations like this.
Difference between Drake and Wayne? Drake is Jewish. Nuff said
I feel like this what joe tryna say
Talk about it lol
Cant say it on air though them Jews got mob mob ties...look how they did wiley
Broke toBillions and cannon 😂
Nope Drake is more business smart than Wayne that's it 😂.
Wayne whole entire life is legitimately based around rapping, drake was a actor before Wayne picked him up
@babajohn100 Don't be dumb Drake was earning a teachers salary before he was even 18 from acting. By the time he got signed to wayne he'd already accumulated close to 100k. Most rappers are completely broke starting out but Drake was already leasing maybachs, and paying 10k for artists features. The dude had an enormous advantage from having a shit load of clean money for someone 20 years old.
@@CloudTribe a teacher's salary isnt that high my guy
@@kidCashOnline It is for a 16 year
@@CloudTribe I mean still not really, that's only enough to take care of yourself but not your momma, etc, only a fraction of what lil Wayne was making at 16
@@CloudTribe lmaO THATS NOT TRUE
Wayne should be worth 500 million on a bad day bruh.
Drake got them Jew Ties. That’s the difference
This is the comment I came for
It's not the difference at all
Drake is loved by dudes and girls are really in love with him. If girls and guys love you, you remain hotter for longer. Also Drake looks like a default guy and looks White, Black, Latino, Arab at the same time. Let me put it this way, you can go to any parent and if their daughter brings home a guy that looks like Drake they'll like it.
@@mrhussain9008 You’re right. Drake looks ethnic without looking like one thing.
Joe saying “reparations” was the obvious metaphor to understand this situation.
Wayne doesn’t hold people back but drake does
Yup.
Drake doesn't ?? he actually helped newer rapper's please sit down
@@mikaylakimberly he tends to ride rappers waves when they're already hot..
@@igot5onit423 You sound dumb lol. Was Jay Z riding Philly rappers wave when he put Beanie Sigel and the rest of State Property on in the early 2000s 😂??
Joe was holding back. This shit got me thinking now.
Most definitely tuning in to the podcast more often 😂cause u hit some good points ! But I feel like u was definitely holding back 😂😂😂
Yall rory's shirt is the EXACT same color as his skin my glasses needing ass thought he was shirtless for half of this video 😭😭🤣🤣
Can't believe I had to scroll this far down to find this comment. It's exactly what I thought too haha
Drake is smarter with his business dealings. Drake also has a more responsible support system. Also he’s a safer investment then Wayne was (considering his drug use). It’s really not hard to understand why Universal would treat them differently.
Right, just look at Wayne today. It is sad to see his current state, his dreads falling out/too many face tattoos and he just looks like a strung out addict in most pics now. Are people saying Wayne in his current state is anywhere near the same level as easy as it is to market Drake lol?
@@JohnMarcization back in Wayne's prime which is what they were talking about ...yes Wayne was just as marketable, Wayne was on top of the world 2005-2011
Difference is the streaming era if Wayne was in his prime during this time he would be bigger than Drake imagine what some of Wayne’s hits would do numbers wise nowadays including his features
A Milli
Mrs. Officer
Bedrock
Every Girl
Something You Forgot
Hustler Musik
BMJr
I can go on an on and those aren’t even his big hits
Bruh his mixtapes would do 500k first week Easy during this era
@@BlackJesus2047 His mixtapes did 500k in that era.
The problem is he's an artist, not a businessman. Baby & Slim had him since he was a child and they failed to groom him properly:
It was either purposefully...to take advantage of him, or he just didn't have the ability, intelligence, or interest to understand the business side of the industry.
Wayne literally started this streaming era because of his mixtapes
Facts!!! Didn't even think about that. Wayne would've broke sooo many records.
Wayne is bigger then Drake. Artists that peak as high as Wayne did usually only have like 5 years on top. For an example DMX and 50.
On dedication 6 WAYNE even said DRAKE bought his house
Frank Howard lies
Dedication 6 reloaded The SONG "sick"
@@themenace2065 dedication 6 reloaded the song SICK LISTEN TO THE END WHEN HE SPEAKS.
Wayne is known for his mainstream stuff like carter 3 and some songs off of tha carter 2 but for Wayne fans who listened to all his mixtapes from the dedication series to da drought, to The Suffix which to me is the greatest mixtape ever, to the Prefix, Wayne wasn’t just like a trail blazer because of his style I think people just assume that he had a cool voice and that’s why he’s remembered because everyone sounds like him which is true, but goddamn Wayne was one of the most underrated lyricists EVER, EVER.
Joe said it all but just wasn’t direct like he wanted to be!!!
“IF YOU KNOW YOU KNOW”
explain more
“You hear my insides”? Lmao idk why but we gotta pause on that Joe
Without Wayne there’s no Drake no discussion
Agreed!
I get what joe is saying but he’s trying to hard to discredit the fact that Wayne probably mentor’d tf out of drake and taught him how to move so he don’t end up like Wayne. Yea drake is a half white popstar but pop stars get fucked by the music industry too. Drake is where he’s at because he makes great music and does everything in his power to keep a pristine image to the public. That’s the difference
3 minutes into the video I’m just now realizing Rory is holding the dog.
can we get the honest version?
Let's be honest wayne had drug issues. I hate to say it but Drake image is clean. Can't throw stones at a brick house. I love wayne he just run into a lot of issues.
That's crap yall bring in drug issues like it actually applies here, wayne has never gotten in trouble for the drugs or any of the sort, a label doesnt care about drugs especially when it's not affecting their money
@@kidCashOnline but it messed up his focus. It limited his marketability. He started that drug tat wave but during it limited him.
@@ReedMySole wayne started sipping lean during the carter 1 up until his first feature, and during that time multiple platinum albums, 3 grammies, I dont think it ruined his focus at all
@@kidCashOnline yeah but ee talking abour how labels handled him. You foolish to think hes better to market than drake. And drugs and face tats are a factor
@@ReedMySole obviously he is better to market if more ppl bought waynes music than drake, cauz drake to this day still has not pulled in Wayne's numbers
Wayne should be on a whole another level.
Lets not forget wayne didnt actually sign drake until after so far gone had blew up a jay offered him a deal then wayne offered him the deal
After he said “what did you say” I heard joe’s insides lol 😂
Drake also played chess and looked at business different, Wayne drug habits and love for Baby killed him getting to that level.
Drake had to look at business different, wayne didnt have the opportunity to ever look at the business that was going on, baby signed wayne at an extremely young age
Drake has more of a following and a bigger reach with his music because he's half white. He was signed to one nigga, that's signed to another nigga, that's signed to another nigga...Ya'll heard what Pusha said. He wasn't looking at business any different. He was just more marketable.
@@kidCashOnline and Wayne resigned as a grown man.....
@@blakseed Push is on Good music which is under Universal, so He is signed to a nigga that's signed to a nigga. Drake being half white is part of it, yet has nothing to do with his work ethic. Imagine if the US treated a rapper the way Canada does for him. It took Drake years to even get those opportunities
@@TheOneAboveAll_ resigned? Wayne signed a lifetime contract when he was a kid
What joe is missing is that drake had a bad deal by today's standards but no where near the lil wayne signed at 11 in the 90''s kind of bad deal. He had more leverage and had insane offers from every label before he signed with young money. He was also an actor and older so he didn't just sign blindly. The problem with drake's contract is multiple people having a cut ie wayne, baby, universal, and j prince but it wasn't a typical slave deal or 360. Times have changed with social media and streaming. Way more bigger artists are able to renegotiate their deals then in the past but joe is still right to some degree about the race and skin tone thing he is implying.
That's true those contracts in the 90s were death sentences
What was left out of conversation was the connections Drake has that Wayne doesn’t.
Drake was also signed to J Prince’s son. That is how Drake stiff armed his way out of Cash Money.
Wayne did not have that. Wayne wasn’t going anywhere.
Yea Wayne definitely is owed alot it's not fair the way they did him he helped drake and nicki so much he does deserve a lot
Rory definitely has a point. It's likely Drake learned how *not* to navigate through Wayne's situation. The former isn't linked to Birdman like the latter, so that could explain the differences in trajectory.
I *can* see where Joe was heading, though. There are plenty of factors to consider before jumping straight to colorism (Drake being Jewish probably helped him though, as sterotypical as it sounds) imo. Drake and Wayne came up under different circumstances and maintained different brands- and marketability, by extension.
Insightful thought bro. I feel where you’re coming from. So you think Drake being part Jewish gives him doors and opportunities Wayne didn’t have? The epitome of Hip Hop is to be from the hood and talk about that life and be about that life. Think of 50 cent for example he became fifty because of his lack of privilege. Why is it that Drake somehow got passes in the industry that Wayne wouldn’t or couldn’t if Nothing else but the fact that Drake avoided certain pitfalls that Wayne had to suffer?
@@lionel8554 It's hard for me to confidently say his opportunities are *solely* because of his Jewish background, because a factor that's just as significant is the fact that Drake came up in the acting industry. He probably had some foundation of management and industry experience before he was seriously invested in the game. Whereas Lil Wayne, while he came up under an iconic label, may not have had that same type of network; at least not at a similar stage in his career compared to Drake, you know what I mean?
There's mad factors in the differences in their careers though, forsake. A legitimate deep-dive comparison would require a lot of nuance.
@@ctredez2047 Yeah that's a fact, well said bro!!! Peace!
Bruh if joe got his eyebrows arch he on a whole other level of sick lmfao ayyyyyoooo
What you mean?
His brows always look like that tho
at first, I thought that white dude is shirtless.
This is a crazy topic and I never thought about the Wayne situation like that smh
It’s hurt
Wayne top 5 dead or alive
"LIL WAYNE"
1. Got Money
2. Leather So Soft
3. Money On My Mind
4. Hustlers Music
5. Go DJ
6. Block Is Hot
7. Tha Mobb
8. Bloodline
9. A Milli
10. Mr Carter
11. Grown Man
12. 6 Foot, 7 Foot
13. Fireman
14. On The Grind
15. Best Rapper Alive
16. Shoot Me Down
17. Fuck The World
18. Nightmares At The Bottom
19. Let That Beat Build
20. Mrs Officer
Vs
"Drake"
1. Best I Ever Had
2. Over
3. Chicago Freestyle
4. Fancy
5. 0 to 100
6. Free Smoke
7. Jumpman
8. Started From The Bottom
9. Summer Sixteen
10. Marvins Room
11. 6 God
12. Headline
13. Lord Knows
14. Gods Plan
15. Forever
16. Energy
17. Hotline Bling
18. Worst Behavior
19. Controlla
20. 5Am In Toronto
Pissed they missed the “Wayne had to go thru that...” so hopefully you wouldn’t have to go thru that!
Hov verse?
Wayne didn’t find drake; J. Prince Jr presented drake to Wayne
Fuck Wayne gave drake his platform but he still acknowledges drakes work ethic
Wayne is tha goat 🐐
💯
Wayne’s influence...
Dreads
Tatoos
Drug Usage
Medlodic Rap(Thug,Future,etc)
Mumble Rap(Chief Keef)
Mixtapes
Releasing Music at a daily rate
One doesn’t experience self-transcendence, the illusion of self only dissipates...Non-Duality✌️
I've never seen a dog more comfortable
I think Drake has been more into the business aspect of it all and Wayne just wanted to put music out.
A pull up with Wayne would be a very good teaching moment for hip hop culture
It’s foul how Birdman did Wayne . Can’t trust a soul , not even ppl who raised you and groomed you growing up smh
Lucien please cut the check 😆
Without Wayne there is no drake
Without birdman there's no Wayne
Nirujan P. No bro Wayne put Drake and Nicki on a silver platter
Blank Check the movie was ahead of its time
Now I’m thinking about what Wale said about skin color and acceptability as rapper from a few years ago..
No, there's so many light skin niggas in the game that are broke or don't have a lot of money. It's because Drake is jewish and Universal is run by jewish executives. That's what Joe is getting at.
This why we love Joe
Wayne had records and put so many people on... 2 Chainz, Drake, Nicki, Curren$y, Tyga, Joe Budden (you had that song with Wayne which is how I found about you Joe!!)
Prolly my favorite JB Podcast episode over
5:18 Joe: hundreds of billions.
Everyone: I means at least 10’s of billions
Lol.
In all seriousness, they’ve done too much for Universal for them to be going through any issues.
*billions my guy
AfricanManikin yooo good looking out!
I didn't think you could do a show like this anymore. Keep it up
Wayne is the Goat simple.
😂
No
Goat of the Lil 🤷🏿♂️
Wayne the Goat facts
It's a silly argument but I must come on here to say drakes career is better now and that's before he dropped his sixth.
Good conversation, but if you wanted to be EVEN more honest, you should've mentioned how he did it with NOT ONLY just Drake, but also with Nicki Minaj. No cap. Nicki & Drake literally dominated the 2010's (& along w/ Eminem) were the top best selling rappers of the decade. Those 3. and two of them were because Wayne believed in them. He is owed EVERYTHING. Wayne is a legend, and Drake & Nicki are icons becoming legends, f*ck all the other bs. Period.
Wayne mixtapes are so much better then his albums its hard to rate him all time properly
Minimal Interest if 5 had 10-12 songs it could have been a classic. Mona Lisa is a top ten Wayne song
Album... mixtape... same shit different toilet, his bodies of work are classics
Dedication 4 still the best mixtape he put out imo
His albums bring in the money tho...
His album definitely brings in the money but the mixtapes is what got people to buy in to what Wayne was producing. He used the method of “free now pay later” it grew his Dan base in which people started buying his albums
Wayne definitely is owed a blank cheque
Appreciate the topic Joe. It’s pretty much the same reason Macklemore won a Grammy over Kendrick Lamar.
100 billion is a stretch bro i don’t think joe understands what 1 billion is.
But Wayne was legally Baby’s adopted son. So of course he trusted him. Drake’s whole situation was different
Maybe the bigger picture here is that Universal gave Baby and Slim a shitty deal and in turn they did the same to their artist to profit.
Drake has surpassed his master but Wayne remains the undefeated 🐐 when it comes to comparing them. And at the end of the day Young Angel & Young Lion Are Both 🐐🐐
You can say that for now but Drake's music ages well too. In hindsight Drake got like over 5 classics (SFG, TC, NWTS, VIEWS, IYRRTITL) including whatever critical acclaimed album he releases. He's already got classic singles tho
@Matthew Views ages well every year and in 10 years time he will be known as a classic.
What about IYRRTITL?
It's almost like everyone will disagree because albums being called classics are subjective 🤔
Drake has more commercial success yes..but no respectable person who listen to hip hop will ever say Drake is a better rapper then Wayne..been killing shit via freestyle his whole career
Wayne music can't be touched
off topic but the new vic mensa tape is fire, he's kinda our generations's joe budden just raw and honest.
Just say it Joe! Drake is half Jewish!
You think he is as silly as Nick Cannon?
Where does the personal accountability come for the artist taking janky deals?
Mal doesn’t know what he’s talking about lil Wayne was still releasing music he actually put out 3 projects in one year 2015 sorry for the wait 2, fwa, no ceilings 2
The GOAT Is KOMING he wasn’t being specific and if that’s the case Fwa was an official project that came out commercially also collygrove and the t-Wayne project, his statement was not true I could see how he would say it because he didn’t pay enough attention to how the music was released
The GOAT Is KOMING false fwa was released on tidal as a tidal exclusive it was not a mixtape it’s an actual lil Wayne album look it up also collegrove came out under two chainz name lil Wayne had majority of features he put the projects out differently that’s all look this stuff up those projects aren’t mixtapes
Naw wayne did fall back purposely so cashmoney wouldnt make no more new money from him. He sacrificed 4 or 5 years of him career so he could get off of cashmoney. Thats why in chance the rapper NO PROBLEM song he saus i feel like i sacrificed so much i feel like JESUS CARTER
Mobcity Records fwa got taken down by every streaming service except tidal even the single glory so it possibly could t be released commercially as Tidal was still a very new app with less than a million subscribers. Collegrove and T Wayne album were t an official release for Wayne and not even a collab tape because his label wasn’t on it and he was featured on every track but 1 or 2 to ensure that it was still a 2 Chainz project and hence why it was released by def Jam . The joint with t pain was also put out for free . Wayne’s last album put out commercially was 2013 ianahb 2 last big singles were love me, no worries and rich as fuck . That was the last time Wayne did anything commercial for him self till Carter 5 . So yea joe is absolutely right
The tip toeing is this convo is fucking crazy