But who's to say what its rooted in other than Kanye? Ppl lookin at this like he doin it to get votes and ppl do worse for more. Trump stole ppls endorsement and the american vote yet we look at Kanye like he dont stand for things that reflect on the people. That's why we always in fucked up political situations. We dont help the people tryna help us. We actually help the ppl that take from us WHILE complaining about it.. Smh
@@PassportGods yes they did They deflected & start talking about how Ye ran Good Music completely ignoring the fact dat he literally said “Jay S sold my masters”
Rory is 100 percent right. Kanye saying all artists should be given their masters is like saying all banks should cancel debt. It is a ridiculous ask that is never going to happen.
Its not the same although I see your point. Once you pay back the debt plus an agreed upon percentage higher, you should be able to retain your masters. Its more like a pond shop. Once you pay back the money plus interest, you get your product back. Think about it differently. It should be your product as collateral. Not their's. They just fronted you the money. Once its paid back with interest, you should get your product back
@@NathanHowardELA my point that masters to a record agency and debt to a bank are both so vital to their business model. Your point is at least at some point debt ends. Whereas record companies always own the masters. Thats a good point.
They might be like “we made a deal with kanye and he will get some masters” and they’ll give him all his fucking skits and shit from late registration... they definitely have no incentive to give those masters up
Siddharth Das are u people stupid or what. The guy is worth 1.3 Billion on paper wtf are u talking about. U clearly didn’t read he’s tweets cause he said that, he can afford to buy it and that’s what they don’t want
Esteban B no - I’m saying he’s asking power for the truth or to explain itself. More specifically When he said that an executive thought of structures artist are under now they immediately implemented because it was highly in their favor when artist ask for some of the control back they have to wait. The product of art is not controlled by the content creator but the business side does. The conversation was to start the conversation of sharing that control. That’s not something the business side wants to broach.
BiG TEN Not if the language on the contract says otherwise. Most artist just overlook the language where the label owns majority of your likeness. Artist just want to get put on initially then try to get out of these contracts later. Happened to Michael, Prince, TLC,etc,etc...
@@angelfmusic law says you cant have an agreement where someone basically signs over their rights. A contract has to equally benefit both parties 2. Plus law has changed many times since those acts where signed the law wasnt how it is today and large contracts worth tons of money HAVE to be signed in court
Angel F thing is this cycle will continue because hungry artists will always be so eager to get on that they won’t read let alone understand what’s put in these contracts.
Anytime Mal is asked what he thinks on a topic i just fast forward cuz he’s not gonna provide anything of value....”i like that i like what’s he on” or “that’s crazy why he do that” that’s pretty much it
@@Bobbcudi nah Rory can come up with something occationally. Mal is there to be funny and knows to stick to that cuz when he does have a take its usually not great
BiggSL33per 😂 he’s talks about a rap union which if you understand unions it would force corporations to compensate rappers artists entertainers properly. I think rappers should just make their own apps and sell them for $5 monthly subscription and take all there content off these platforms. If they still care about playlist just release an ep but keep exclusive content on the app. Treat these platforms like the radio not the be all end all.
These lables have blood on thier hands, prison pipe line , deciding what's popular and what influences the kids etc. They have done more then just merely screw artist over with good business strategies.
yjace5 are you stupid? We are talking about the different realms of logic here. Kanye West being a genius when it comes on to music and his unorthodox way of engaging and still coming out on top, yes he’s a genius in the realm of being an artist. Him making terrible business decisions doesn’t take away from that. Einstein is considered a genius. He didn’t own the patent to his creations, discoveries, and theories, which mold and shape many things in existence today. His net worth was just a mil.
@@andrereid4937 Yup...He's also the only celebrity with not 1, but now 2 deals of it's kind. He's one of only 6 African American Billionaires. He's the youngest one. He's screwed up a million times and is STILL worth at least a Billi with FULL ownership of his brands. MJ ain't got it...LeBron ain't got it. Drake ain't got it. So maybe he just learned from his early business mistakes.
It is such a crying shame joe doesn’t rap anymore man. I wonder how many people are fans of the podcast and not listened to his catalogue. That’s always intrigued me.
Thomas O'Brien I’ve been listening to Joe since 2002 and was lucky enough that he decided to have a show in London, Camden before retiring! And now we are all lucky that he has this podcast forever !!! Fi di world 🌎
It often happens that way for certain individuals when they start to garner attention from other things. It kinda blew my mind that Daylyt was a battle rapper, and once I went back and checked his old stuff it finally made sense. I found him just thinking that he was like a funny/serious vlogger that often said wild stuff on Vlad 😒. Turns out dude is a "underground" legend amongst his peers in the game.
Agree with the sentiments they are expressing here, and it’s very relevant cause it’s not just specifically a race issue; All over the world, entities of power / corporations exploit and exercise control over the talent / workers / subservients. The technology of today is disrupting the systems of power that these entities have had, traditionally
But over the past 150 years black entertainers have made music and art that has dominated and influenced the world. And historically a large majority of those black entertainers have died broke and powerless. Because the lion share of the profits from their art or work. Did not go to them. A lot of people are taken advantage of due to ignorance regardless of color, But in the case of black Americans. Racism made it hard for us to legally rectify the situation. This is why it is a race issue.
Jerry Cammon thats a shame that people ended up bad, i just think that “ignorance” is not an excuse for bad decisions, business or otherwise. If you are gonna get into something the onus is on you to make sure everything is as it should be, the other side has no incentive to make sure you are overly taken care of they worry about their side and you yours.
@@MrSpicabooo this is the issue with american business models, it is true that in a business dealing you should be looking out for yourself, and yourself only because people can be sharks, but should i not to business that is good for me AND you so that we can return to do business again, this shark eat shark mentality is what causes disproportionate wealth, if we looked out for each other for US both to make the most money, we can generate more business in the future and make argurably more money because im inclined to trust you more the second time around having not got fucked in the previous deal, if i even choose to deal with you again?
MysticPeaches MysticPeaches american business model? Thats business around the yr sir. Someones always at a position of more leverage. If they both on equal ground then yea they can do business liek you said where they its equally good for both. But if ur in an advantageous position then you set the parameter and the others side makes a yes or no choice, LEVERAGE is the key word in all dealings. Like i said both sides look out for themselves, if one side dont like the terms they dont have to sign, people just get outmaneuvered and then complain when its their own fault.
Kanye mixed “all of the lights 100s of times” and still had that Tom drum pop out that hard after the hook? I’m not even that great at mixing but damn talk about over thinking it lol
You don’t become a multi-billionaire without knowing the ins and outs of contracts or having legit law officials that are well versed in those contracts....
Add in using the same contract constructs on people HE signs to his label where he makes money off their masters. He is doing shot for himself and people need to wake up to this
judohunter1 yep exactly, in this world for the most parts its winners and losers. If you get into business or signing a contract the onus is on YOU to make sure everything is as it should be before you put pen to paper, and if you not in a position of leverage and negotiating power, welp, you got a decision to make at that point.
The same media that called black ppl monkeys are the same media calling him crazy. Every time he speaks the truth, ppl calls it a rant .. other than Truth
@NoNoNoNii look at history. Look at how they talked and portray black ppl back in the day and still this day. The media is white ppl ran. If you want to learn short, let me know.
For whatever reason, this takes me back to that episode of punked wit ye where they pretend to take the original copy of a music video he’s shooting and he’s fightin everyone and runnin wit the film in hand. And he’s like “hell naw, y’all ain’t gettin shit!” Lololol
I'm so proud of you guys!!! I remember putting people on to the podcast when it was still, "I'll name this podcast later"... To see the growth with the pod and all other ventures is dope!!!! CONGRATS!!!!!!!!
That Teyanna Taylor album(KTSE) was fire, it's arguably her best album. What's sad is Teyanna Taylor dropped a more recent album, that did NOT have Kanye West involved in the roll out, but no one is talking about it
It says that these deals/contracts are so complex that none of us as indicated from Mr. West said can't understand in the legal language that most of these contracts are written in. This is nothing new. The music industry has pulled the wool over our eyes for many, many years. So I am not surprised that Kanye and other people who have imprints associated to major labels do not know the ends and outs of contracts even when it comes to signing artists to their own labels. Come on Joe!
Terry Lusk Even I will pay $500 to a lawyer when I get contracts. Just saying. I agree these cats are slimy af... and everyone should have their masters... but where are the lawyers?
@@erikaarnold4780 I agree totally with you. The record industry has been like this. With the internet you don't need a record company, if Drake walked away from UMG they wouldn't know what to do.
I recall a 106 & Park interview w Kayne & John Legend where Kanye said "Buy John's album because I make more money from his album than I make from my own."
Lil Wayne real beef was against Universal but he was scared to speak on them. So he got at Birdman to make it easy. And Kanye coming at Universal. Not the easy target.
I remember when my old co-worker used to make me CDs of Joe Budden mixtapes "Mood Muzic" & everytime I saw him, he was so excited about a track that Joe or Slaughterhouse was doing. Oh yeah OR, him showing me how Joe & Tahiry arguing and we would just laugh and laugh. I'm so happy that Joe found his niche!!!! And I'm thankful for my old co-worker (and still friend following) John that put me on ON like that with Joe Budden.
If artist dont know the deals there getting into, then how could they know the actual negative impact they have on listeners/fans with their music..., money can be blinding
that's tricky because when they sign those contracts whose terms and conditions they allegedly know nothing about, they have a lawyer with them who has advised them. the plot thickens when the record label gives them the lawyer for free lol. yeah i agree with
He’s just arguing that it’s a trade off. Some people don’t want to hustle to make money in other ways and be responsible for the behind the scenes clearance work. they may want to sign a major deal to get the guaranteed money and not have to deal with handling their own work and responsibility independently
i think Pusha T , Big Sean and Desiigner all got different contracts , cuz there’s a big difference in talent level and commercial appeal going on between them.
Asking cuz I legit dk.., is there ANYONE at least semi-known that does rap/hip-hop analysis similar to Joe? Like, combining "barbershop" Hip-Hop debates with in-depth rap/verse/music breakdowns and also Hip-Hop industry insight? Regardless, his actual experience/success in the industry (Billboard hit single) & analysis of song-craft/rapping & infamous 'beef' history, combined with his sense of humor & absolute fearlessness to speak his mind, there's no one in his galaxy in this space. Hes even better than Charlemagne. Joe may have been an average rapper (commercially), he's the goddamn Tupac of Hip-Hop commentary. He's the Charles Barkley of Hip-Hop. But still.. is there anyone else doin similar shit? Is Ak's shows super similar? (Ive watched E.S., but never his channel)
You dumb lol. I’m sure he’s doing just fine financially. Stop. 🤣🤣 he’s trying to get his master back and wants other artists to join him in that Movement.
GANDHI as if he wasn't aware of the contract he signed ?...your statement proves my point. now it's an EVERYBODY moment and he's the Messiah. Boy ? Bye.
@@4bkb alotta ppl dont. joe asked Lil Yachty bout his publishing and he aint know wtf he was talmbout. Look atbhim now... On a leash. "Bust Down Thotiana" dude aint even know who he was signed to let alone the terms of the agreement. You dont even hear the term Thotiana no more so it sound like he signed 360. That shit ain't common knowledge, bro. But in your defense, Kanye do be wild sometimes...
My only issue with this.. this whole discussion came off of how do they feel about Jay Z selling Kanye's masters and they quickly avoided the question and started taking about Kanye which was not all positive, shit half of it was negative but they absolutely refuse to speak on Jay when some negative shit comes up about him...if they gone be biased because of their ties... cool... just don't bring the damn topics up that you're gonna dance around or move the focus to someelse... that shit is irritating to watch.
I know it’s Budden’s pod. But, let the Rari and Mal finish their thoughts as well. They literally start forming good points within 5-10 seconds of speaking and then they get cutoff. Valid points from you all. Big ups to Joe for the vocalizing of empowering upcoming pod casters!
These guys argue this signing of contracts issue with biased views due to the fallout with Spotify. It is a no brainer that once you sign a contract it is an agreement between two parties. For Kanye to get out of it & own his masters he needs to come up with the money to buy himself out to the value of what is assumed to be the value or is the value of his masters currently. The law protects both parties. It is not personal, based on emotion or what Kanye thinks is right, IT IS JUST BUSINESS!
You can't just come up with the money to buy your Masters. That had to be a stipulation in yhe contract. No matter how much ...money you come up with, they don't have to sell them to you. They are the property of the record company. Putting public pressure on them can possibly get them to reconsider.
@@NathanHowardELA In this case, public pressure is an exercise in futility. The public has no place in this argument. If they (Universal) choose to refuse to sell the masters to him, then that's what that is! A deal is a deal! You can only negotiate the contract otherwise & both parties are entitled to their stand & protected by law.
Interesting that when Teyana didn’t talk about her disappointment in her label, that’s class, but when Kanye shits on his label, that’s bravery. Most of Joes takes are rooted in tribalism above all. There is no moral consistency.
Yeah it’s because joes actually really fucking dumb and mistakes his behind the scenes insights as the forest rather than the trees. Push had been president of good for 3 years by the time those albums came out, but Joe keeps going back to Teyanas album (which I personally thought came out really well as a final product, great songs, great cover art) as some sort of grand indictment of purposeful wrongdoing on ye’s part. I’m going to go out on a limb and assume she was pitched the idea of being apart of the 7 song lineup - if she wanted more attention and a longer album, she could have backed out. Not just the ceos getting blinded by the glow. My take is the reason teyana didn’t explode about the album is there is more truth in her dropping the ball as well than she’s admitting - if she hadn’t heard her album until they played it at HER (not their, Joe - it was hers) release party, that was her fault for not being there until they pressed play to ensure HER OWN PRODUCT would be released the way she saw fit. All this teyana caping is bullshit, she can’t be y’all strong black queen & totally powerless and incapable of protecting her artistic integrity at the same time ❤️
@@cleesely I agree, I enjoyed her project until I heard her shitting all over it. I think Pusha said that she wasn't around for mixing and stuff but he stayed around for his project. He is pres so I understand why he'd be there but damn, she's an artist, I'd expect an artist to be around for mixing smh.
@@taylor5607 That's fine. I'm just saying that they better have ownership in the entity or ownership of their own content and IP. That said...No such thing as just a name. Naming the network after oneself is a clear signal that the intention is to further brand SELF. The network can only go as far as Joe goes and can never SELL without Joe being a part of it. Interesting strategy.
Joe fuck with us Platlife Ent! We on the come up and need that push king!! Either way keep killing the podcast game and staying true to yourself and your beliefs!! 🐐💯
M 360 y’all are nuts just because she’s an attorney doesn’t mean she know how to negotiate a contract especially a music contract where the good attorneys have a hard time with music attorneys have a hard time with
To be real Kanye, never owned good music. Alot of these rappers don't own them record companies. It's just be for fronts. See how scared black rappers scared to speak up on what Kanye saying. But ppl was on Birdman head....
@Jack Louis They don't go indy because you have to put in more work on the ground level and they'll never admit it but they LOVE the attention. They want to be "stars," not just paid. Tech N9ne richer than most of them but you never hear him on the radio. It was the same with Nipsey. They're willing to sacrifice making more money for getting to rub shoulders with all the fake ass Hollyweirdos...
that goes to show how black people will turn on their own but not the big white man. Black people may not be slaves physically but in the sub conscious alot of us are shackled down.
I love conversations like this but it isn’t much business sense in this discussion. Artist are trying to rewrite standard business principles, as long as labels are putting up the money their taking the bulk of the risk which means the splits are going to be off. Take Jeff Bezos for example he only owns 17% of that company in order to grow he had to give up ownership.
Only listned for 15 minutes , i already have to say Joe, and this is only the 2nd podcast ive listned of ur show, U Joe, are really , U are a real DEEP thinker, mutch respect. Mutch LOVE to you man, i hope u get where u want to be man , BleSS-U
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*Joe:*
*Rory:*
*Joe:* *LET ME INTERRUPT YOU FOR A MINUTE.*
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LMAO
Looooooooooooooooool
Big facts.
"Let me talk before I forget this Rory" ... "Thats great but let me finish this Mal"
“This is a righteous cause, even if it’s not rooted in righteousness” - Joe
But who's to say what its rooted in other than Kanye? Ppl lookin at this like he doin it to get votes and ppl do worse for more. Trump stole ppls endorsement and the american vote yet we look at Kanye like he dont stand for things that reflect on the people. That's why we always in fucked up political situations. We dont help the people tryna help us. We actually help the ppl that take from us WHILE complaining about it.. Smh
“Who do you shut up for?” - Joe Budden defining listening LOL
context separates listening in his analogy to subordination in recognition of a "boss" or a person more dominant than him on a knowledge level
Tshephang Moswete I definitely summarized, but that’s how I interpreted it
@@AnyDomainLLC for sure, I wasn't trying to check you bro, I just think it's context is a crazy concept. but I don't want to bore you with that shit.
I just can’t wait for the “presidential dropout” album 😂. That would actually be a dope album name though lol
Hahaha but did you not listen? He’s walking for prez, not running.
comfykeegs haha oh ya, my bad
Nahh that's corny
Ned Vega nah
Lmao claim it first 😂
"Yo Jay he can rap" "you like benzes right?" "you like mayonnaise" "we call it a miracle whip" lmao
rory is the king of unrecognized zingers
That dude tried to sum up Kanye career wit a jab. Best way to break your hand doin nothing Lol
I love this show when they talk about shit like this serious artist vs the industry talk I can’t get enough of it
Seriously! This all I care for.
They didn’t even really get into it tho they danced around the fact dat Jay sold Ye masters
Jay Dolla J-z sold Kanye Masters??? i didn’t know that. that’s crazy!
@@PassportGods yes they did They deflected & start talking about how Ye ran Good Music completely ignoring the fact dat he literally said “Jay S sold my masters”
@@DiscipleOfYahusha I’m not just making this up go look it up
Joe "I'mma shut up" Budden..
(proceeds to talk for half an hour barely interrupted)
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Rory is 100 percent right. Kanye saying all artists should be given their masters is like saying all banks should cancel debt. It is a ridiculous ask that is never going to happen.
Its not the same although I see your point. Once you pay back the debt plus an agreed upon percentage higher, you should be able to retain your masters. Its more like a pond shop. Once you pay back the money plus interest, you get your product back. Think about it differently. It should be your product as collateral. Not their's. They just fronted you the money. Once its paid back with interest, you should get your product back
@@NathanHowardELA my point that masters to a record agency and debt to a bank are both so vital to their business model. Your point is at least at some point debt ends. Whereas record companies always own the masters. Thats a good point.
it will happen if rappers unite together. if lebron doesnt play for you then your fked.
Anything is possible
Never forgot Nadeska asked Soulja boy why does he have so many businesses!
I’ll never forget shaking my head at that, almost broke my neck listening to that foolishness
Nadeska is surely a Kamala Harris supporter
That’s when I realized that Nadeska had no idea that real moguls have more than one business. It’s the basis of generating wealth. Sigh, bless her.
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Rory: So basically, we're saying the same thing
Joe: No
Mal: That's crazy...
imagine being so goated your selfishness positively affects all artists
PhantomDragon Gibson impact
Adam Smith..... proably stole it but "The Invisible Hand"
Thats exactly it!! Like wow!!
This comment will fly over heads
This is exactly how it’s supposed to work. Self interests can positively effect multiple people.
Mal purposefully didnt have much to say. His brother founded Roc A Fella
I look for this comment every time lol
i was wondering how he had all this industry knowledge but i've never heard of him crazy
What does he do as a job? Besides the podcast
Who?
ByCd mal
Kanye Being a slave to his contract was a choice. Stay Woke! 👁
Really was though
You the comment section m.v.p
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It was, thats why he said it
Shit he had to
Kanye first 6 albums was his most successful ones. He ain’t never seeing them masters in a million years.
They might be like “we made a deal with kanye and he will get some masters” and they’ll give him all his fucking skits and shit from late registration... they definitely have no incentive to give those masters up
Hunter Deskin id have to agree I’ve bought and streamed those albums a million times and I can’t imagine how many mother fuckers out there like me.
They better stop playing with Kanye. Give that man his masters.
He better buy it
@@TheGoodSheperd_TOG they are worth wayy more than 400 million nobody can afford that
christian deangelo Duhhhhhh. He need the approval, u think he would do this is he could just buy it
Siddharth Das are u people stupid or what. The guy is worth 1.3 Billion on paper wtf are u talking about. U clearly didn’t read he’s tweets cause he said that, he can afford to buy it and that’s what they don’t want
Nothing i love to listen to more than a 40 minute contract breakdown
Yep and it’s time to break out the encyclopedia and etymology titles from the ol shelf 📚📝
God protect Joe. Power doesn’t like explaining itself to truth.
this sounded so haunting
Is Joe Budden "Truth" to you?
Esteban B no - I’m saying he’s asking power for the truth or to explain itself. More specifically When he said that an executive thought of structures artist are under now they immediately implemented because it was highly in their favor when artist ask for some of the control back they have to wait. The product of art is not controlled by the content creator but the business side does. The conversation was to start the conversation of sharing that control. That’s not something the business side wants to broach.
Esteban B Oh Esteban get off your high horse. No one is equal to The Truth. But a person can represent the truth.
@@theconsciousobserver6829 I wasn't even talking to you. It was a simple yes or no question. You added everything else with your imagination.
Nobody:
Joe First Thing In The Morning: 🤬🤬🤬
Joe: I‘m not gonna comment on Kanye...
then talks for an hour about Kanye
I know you knew better than that? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You never have leverage when doing joint venture deals. Like Dame said... Put up your own $$.
By law you do. They just dumb
BiG TEN Not if the language on the contract says otherwise. Most artist just overlook the language where the label owns majority of your likeness. Artist just want to get put on initially then try to get out of these contracts later. Happened to Michael, Prince, TLC,etc,etc...
@@angelfmusic bra it doesn't matter if your breaking the law. . No matter if God signed it .
@@angelfmusic law says you cant have an agreement where someone basically signs over their rights. A contract has to equally benefit both parties 2. Plus law has changed many times since those acts where signed the law wasnt how it is today and large contracts worth tons of money HAVE to be signed in court
Angel F thing is this cycle will continue because hungry artists will always be so eager to get on that they won’t read let alone understand what’s put in these contracts.
Anytime Mal is asked what he thinks on a topic i just fast forward cuz he’s not gonna provide anything of value....”i like that i like what’s he on” or “that’s crazy why he do that” that’s pretty much it
Rory or mal bring no value to this podcast. Just yes and ok men.
@@Bobbcudi nah Rory can come up with something occationally. Mal is there to be funny and knows to stick to that cuz when he does have a take its usually not great
Basically the 2 stooges
Estevan Munoz they counter Joe who will say somethings trash for the sake of making a conversation more interesting.
Facts KD basically said he don’t kno wtf he talm bout wen it come to sports
Joe Budden Network! Now this is wtf I’m talking about! Joe is Black excellence in the FLESH! 💪🏾✊🏾
Rory’s slick jokes always make me laugh, i needed this
The game is sold not told. Lupe has the answers.
TheBizKore *kanyevoice LUPE AINT GOT THE ANSWERS👿
When Stack went to Lupe to record was a eye opener but that was 2007
BiggSL33per 😂 he’s talks about a rap union which if you understand unions it would force corporations to compensate rappers artists entertainers properly. I think rappers should just make their own apps and sell them for $5 monthly subscription and take all there content off these platforms. If they still care about playlist just release an ep but keep exclusive content on the app. Treat these platforms like the radio not the be all end all.
These lables have blood on thier hands, prison pipe line , deciding what's popular and what influences the kids etc. They have done more then just merely screw artist over with good business strategies.
Ye gets his masters today... his whole fight for artists right will be done.
Of course lol Kanye will never change. Anyone thinks he's doing this for others is sadly mistaken
Andre Johnson ummm 🤔 i think a genius would have owned his masters...
@@yjace5 or at least READ his contract and understand what he was signing lol common sense , not so common
yjace5 are you stupid? We are talking about the different realms of logic here. Kanye West being a genius when it comes on to music and his unorthodox way of engaging and still coming out on top, yes he’s a genius in the realm of being an artist. Him making terrible business decisions doesn’t take away from that. Einstein is considered a genius. He didn’t own the patent to his creations, discoveries, and theories, which mold and shape many things in existence today. His net worth was just a mil.
@@andrereid4937 Yup...He's also the only celebrity with not 1, but now 2 deals of it's kind. He's one of only 6 African American Billionaires. He's the youngest one. He's screwed up a million times and is STILL worth at least a Billi with FULL ownership of his brands. MJ ain't got it...LeBron ain't got it. Drake ain't got it. So maybe he just learned from his early business mistakes.
"it was yall that said I should've been signed to def poetry". We came full circle guys
It is such a crying shame joe doesn’t rap anymore man. I wonder how many people are fans of the podcast and not listened to his catalogue. That’s always intrigued me.
Best rapper alive for me !! 🇬🇧
- Branches of the same tree
Mr Logic same here mate. Good to know there are likeminded individuals, unless you are being sarcastic and I’ve just made a dick of myself 😂
Thomas O'Brien I’ve been listening to Joe since 2002 and was lucky enough that he decided to have a show in London, Camden before retiring! And now we are all lucky that he has this podcast forever !!! Fi di world 🌎
It often happens that way for certain individuals when they start to garner attention from other things. It kinda blew my mind that Daylyt was a battle rapper, and once I went back and checked his old stuff it finally made sense. I found him just thinking that he was like a funny/serious vlogger that often said wild stuff on Vlad 😒. Turns out dude is a "underground" legend amongst his peers in the game.
“Ya like Benz’s and we call em whips” lmaooo Rory a clown.
He’s not wrong.
“You guys like mayonnaise right?” Fuck kinda question is that🤣🤣🤣
Agree with the sentiments they are expressing here, and it’s very relevant cause it’s not just specifically a race issue;
All over the world, entities of power / corporations exploit and exercise control over the talent / workers / subservients. The technology of today is disrupting the systems of power that these entities have had, traditionally
But over the past 150 years black entertainers have made music and art that has dominated and influenced the world. And historically a large majority of those black entertainers have died broke and powerless. Because the lion share of the profits from their art or work. Did not go to them. A lot of people are taken advantage of due to ignorance regardless of color, But in the case of black Americans. Racism made it hard for us to legally rectify the situation.
This is why it is a race issue.
Jerry Cammon thats a shame that people ended up bad, i just think that “ignorance” is not an excuse for bad decisions, business or otherwise. If you are gonna get into something the onus is on you to make sure everything is as it should be, the other side has no incentive to make sure you are overly taken care of they worry about their side and you yours.
@@MrSpicabooo this is the issue with american business models, it is true that in a business dealing you should be looking out for yourself, and yourself only because people can be sharks, but should i not to business that is good for me AND you so that we can return to do business again, this shark eat shark mentality is what causes disproportionate wealth, if we looked out for each other for US both to make the most money, we can generate more business in the future and make argurably more money because im inclined to trust you more the second time around having not got fucked in the previous deal, if i even choose to deal with you again?
MysticPeaches MysticPeaches american business model? Thats business around the yr sir. Someones always at a position of more leverage. If they both on equal ground then yea they can do business liek you said where they its equally good for both. But if ur in an advantageous position then you set the parameter and the others side makes a yes or no choice, LEVERAGE is the key word in all dealings. Like i said both sides look out for themselves, if one side dont like the terms they dont have to sign, people just get outmaneuvered and then complain when its their own fault.
I love when Joe breaks down Mal’s 4th wall and references his connection to Roc La Familia lol
Kanye mixed “all of the lights 100s of times” and still had that Tom drum pop out that hard after the hook? I’m not even that great at mixing but damn talk about over thinking it lol
You been waiting to say this forever
peep the "Joe Budden Network"
Sittin pretty
Just did. Bro man making moves. More power to him!
Should’ve been called “you know the vibes network”
I love it !
You don’t become a multi-billionaire without knowing the ins and outs of contracts or having legit law officials that are well versed in those contracts....
100% but u also learn those ins and outs by making mistakes and being on the losing end of business sometimes along the way.
Add in using the same contract constructs on people HE signs to his label where he makes money off their masters. He is doing shot for himself and people need to wake up to this
judohunter1 yep exactly, in this world for the most parts its winners and losers. If you get into business or signing a contract the onus is on YOU to make sure everything is as it should be before you put pen to paper, and if you not in a position of leverage and negotiating power, welp, you got a decision to make at that point.
Right
That's deep bro... you gotta know what it says on the contract you are about to sign... wow.... groundbreaking!
Joe: I shut up when the more intelligent person is talking
Joe: *talks the entire time*
That let you know the quality of content of the other contributors, no?
@@treid04 No... Joe Budden just be talking half the time.
He also just called Mal and Rory stupid... on the low
It's his show ..he's on his fox sports sht..no Colin the herd.
“They tell the same story so much they start to believe it”
Uh yeah pretty much yeah. That pretty much sums it up
hitler vibes
Has nothing to do with Hitler...
Esteban B "tell a lie, and keep telling that lie until they believe" learn your shit kid lol
@@datboyhimself5674 You're barely literate. Your brain is broken. Try again.
The same media that called black ppl monkeys are the same media calling him crazy. Every time he speaks the truth, ppl calls it a rant .. other than Truth
Are you black? If not STFU talking about what blk ppl are called.
Depends on your view point
@NoNoNoNii look at history. Look at how they talked and portray black ppl back in the day and still this day. The media is white ppl ran. If you want to learn short, let me know.
For whatever reason, this takes me back to that episode of punked wit ye where they pretend to take the original copy of a music video he’s shooting and he’s fightin everyone and runnin wit the film in hand. And he’s like “hell naw, y’all ain’t gettin shit!” Lololol
I'm so proud of you guys!!! I remember putting people on to the podcast when it was still, "I'll name this podcast later"... To see the growth with the pod and all other ventures is dope!!!! CONGRATS!!!!!!!!
On that album with new slaves he spoke about his contracts.
A. G. I see you 👀👏
he gets 1 dollar per album sale or whatever that calculates out to for downloads. so hes in a 90 10. and hes the 10
A. G. so now he’s choosing not to be one?
That Teyanna Taylor album(KTSE) was fire, it's arguably her best album. What's sad is Teyanna Taylor dropped a more recent album, that did NOT have Kanye West involved in the roll out, but no one is talking about it
Agree only think ye did wrong was cut the tracks down . But thats her best project . New project a snooze fest
Kanye: I'm the new Moses. I'm Nat Turner. Nat Ye
Mal on Kanye: he's not about himself this time..
Me: 🤔
You remember what those people did right
@@cleesely he doesn't know lol
Kanye was never crazy ! The dude just has no filter and, is a free-thinker. Just go back too his 'Breakfast Club Interview'.. back in 2013,
Facts
@NoNoNoNii Doing crazy shit, and being a *Crazy Person* is two completely different things.
You're so dumb it hurts....
All the nasa engineers that took us to the moon were ex nazis
The moon hoax was put together by Stanley Kubrick..he left major hints I n the movie "the shining"
Both y'all are 100 percent up on what's happening. Stay blessed 🙏
Oh u watch the Joe Rogan pod?
Never went to the moon lol
Us? where? please next time; take me with you
How yal gon breakdown Kanye contract more than yal told us about yal Spotify contract?
Because of non-compete clauses in contracts.
It says that these deals/contracts are so complex that none of us as indicated from Mr. West said can't understand in the legal language that most of these contracts are written in. This is nothing new. The music industry has pulled the wool over our eyes for many, many years. So I am not surprised that Kanye and other people who have imprints associated to major labels do not know the ends and outs of contracts even when it comes to signing artists to their own labels. Come on Joe!
Terry Lusk
Even I will pay $500 to a lawyer when I get contracts. Just saying. I agree these cats are slimy af... and everyone should have their masters... but where are the lawyers?
@@erikaarnold4780 I agree totally with you. The record industry has been like this. With the internet you don't need a record company, if Drake walked away from UMG they wouldn't know what to do.
He who feels it knows it - Layers of the black man
Podcasters n vloggers are hotter than the artists these days...so many vlogger beefs rn on the tube im lovin it like mcdonalds 👏
Could have sworn he said he wasn’t going to say anything and let them two guys talk....
Ohhh Joe
I'm with Joe.
Even when prince and mj were talking industry mess, they were doing dirt to other artists.
Its called the industry for a reason. Look up the definition. This is all about money. These artists arent friends and their lives arent real
Joe Budden Network. I salute you champ. 🏆
Does that say "Joe Budden Network" 👀👀👀
Yurp...chessmate
Was just about to say this
Join the network!!
Yessir!!!! I said the same thing!!✊🏾✊🏾
He already stole the brand of an independent black womens show to use on his network. Making industry moves
I recall a 106 & Park interview w Kayne & John Legend where Kanye said "Buy John's album because I make more money from his album than I make from my own."
Lil Wayne real beef was against Universal but he was scared to speak on them. So he got at Birdman to make it easy. And Kanye coming at Universal. Not the easy target.
Lol now Joe budden has a network lol
Joe: I'm not going to step on Kanye.
Also Joe: Did I step on something?
Kanye west on another level Joe.
😆😆 Parks said Rory cut is “a 5’oclock shadow”
Flamed him! 😂😭💀
😭😭😭😭😭
Joe said I’m not going to speak then he speaks 😂 that be so funny to me
Joe Budden Network 😂 it's beautiful
I remember when my old co-worker used to make me CDs of Joe Budden mixtapes "Mood Muzic" & everytime I saw him, he was so excited about a track that Joe or Slaughterhouse was doing. Oh yeah OR, him showing me how Joe & Tahiry arguing and we would just laugh and laugh. I'm so happy that Joe found his niche!!!! And I'm thankful for my old co-worker (and still friend following) John that put me on ON like that with Joe Budden.
If artist dont know the deals there getting into, then how could they know the actual negative impact they have on listeners/fans with their music..., money can be blinding
that's tricky because when they sign those contracts whose terms and conditions they allegedly know nothing about, they have a lawyer with them who has advised them. the plot thickens when the record label gives them the lawyer for free lol. yeah i agree with
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Tshephang Moswete that’s exactly why they go after broke rappers from the ghetto. They can’t afford lawyers of their own 🤦🏾♂️
I hope the right person reads this and know that they are important!
25:05 “Labels owning all your masters isn’t the worst thing in the world” Parks WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!????
Music is a loss leader. If you can’t make money off of music why not leverage it to sell movies, merch, fashion, & endorsements?
He’s just arguing that it’s a trade off. Some people don’t want to hustle to make money in other ways and be responsible for the behind the scenes clearance work. they may want to sign a major deal to get the guaranteed money and not have to deal with handling their own work and responsibility independently
17:00 been saying it for years....the greatest discography in hiphop history
i think Pusha T , Big Sean and Desiigner all got different contracts , cuz there’s a big difference in talent level and commercial appeal going on between them.
lol let’s see the paperwork. Those who throw stones in glass houses.
Asking cuz I legit dk.., is there ANYONE at least semi-known that does rap/hip-hop analysis similar to Joe?
Like, combining "barbershop" Hip-Hop debates with in-depth rap/verse/music breakdowns and also Hip-Hop industry insight? Regardless, his actual experience/success in the industry (Billboard hit single) & analysis of song-craft/rapping & infamous 'beef' history, combined with his sense of humor & absolute fearlessness to speak his mind, there's no one in his galaxy in this space. Hes even better than Charlemagne. Joe may have been an average rapper (commercially), he's the goddamn Tupac of Hip-Hop commentary. He's the Charles Barkley of Hip-Hop.
But still.. is there anyone else doin similar shit? Is Ak's shows super similar? (Ive watched E.S., but never his channel)
Kanye was an A&R. They just used the record company (Good Music) as a front.
💯
THE ONLY TIME KAYNE IS POST WOKE IS WHEN SOMETHING FINANCIAL HAPPENS TO HIM. I SMELL BS!!!!!!
You dumb lol. I’m sure he’s doing just fine financially. Stop. 🤣🤣 he’s trying to get his master back and wants other artists to join him in that Movement.
GANDHI as if he wasn't aware of the contract he signed ?...your statement proves my point. now it's an EVERYBODY moment and he's the Messiah. Boy ? Bye.
Musicians don’t have much leverage you think they can say I want this or that and just get it ? Lmao
Not how it works.
@@4bkb alotta ppl dont. joe asked Lil Yachty bout his publishing and he aint know wtf he was talmbout. Look atbhim now... On a leash. "Bust Down Thotiana" dude aint even know who he was signed to let alone the terms of the agreement. You dont even hear the term Thotiana no more so it sound like he signed 360. That shit ain't common knowledge, bro. But in your defense, Kanye do be wild sometimes...
My only issue with this.. this whole discussion came off of how do they feel about Jay Z selling Kanye's masters and they quickly avoided the question and started taking about Kanye which was not all positive, shit half of it was negative but they absolutely refuse to speak on Jay when some negative shit comes up about him...if they gone be biased because of their ties... cool... just don't bring the damn topics up that you're gonna dance around or move the focus to someelse... that shit is irritating to watch.
I’ve been saying this for years! They’re hella biased towards Hov, Diddy, Fab etc .. this segment was useless
@@Trapi77-z9b yessss... I was over it. Like if yall not gone get to the shits then just don't bring it uppp! It's annoying.
I know it’s Budden’s pod. But, let the Rari and Mal finish their thoughts as well. They literally start forming good points within 5-10 seconds of speaking and then they get cutoff. Valid points from you all. Big ups to Joe for the vocalizing of empowering upcoming pod casters!
Micheal Jackson was pretty successful. He owned 50% of Sony's Publishing
Yeah but remember the beef he had wit the Beatles cuz of it tho
That’s why they killed him 😔
Mal here chilling like an owl without HOOT credit. SILENT
Salute to Joe for acknowledging that Ye arguably has the greatest discography in hip hop history.
HOV Has The Best Catalog
PJ Mills that’s arguable but Kanye produced some of Jay’s best music from 2000-2011, so it’s a win for Ye either way.
People Produced For YE.. & Wrote for him
PJ Mills ok gay z fan
PJ Mills Ye co- produced and produced all of his albums. Plus Ye’s discography changed music more than Hov’s.
These guys argue this signing of contracts issue with biased views due to the fallout with Spotify. It is a no brainer that once you sign a contract it is an agreement between two parties. For Kanye to get out of it & own his masters he needs to come up with the money to buy himself out to the value of what is assumed to be the value or is the value of his masters currently. The law protects both parties. It is not personal, based on emotion or what Kanye thinks is right, IT IS JUST BUSINESS!
You can't just come up with the money to buy your Masters. That had to be a stipulation in yhe contract. No matter how much ...money you come up with, they don't have to sell them to you. They are the property of the record company. Putting public pressure on them can possibly get them to reconsider.
@@NathanHowardELA In this case, public pressure is an exercise in futility. The public has no place in this argument. If they (Universal) choose to refuse to sell the masters to him, then that's what that is! A deal is a deal! You can only negotiate the contract otherwise & both parties are entitled to their stand & protected by law.
Interesting that when Teyana didn’t talk about her disappointment in her label, that’s class, but when Kanye shits on his label, that’s bravery.
Most of Joes takes are rooted in tribalism above all. There is no moral consistency.
We talking about artistic decisions versus unethical financial practices. The two subjects are almost not even in the same ball park...
Yeah it’s because joes actually really fucking dumb and mistakes his behind the scenes insights as the forest rather than the trees. Push had been president of good for 3 years by the time those albums came out, but Joe keeps going back to Teyanas album (which I personally thought came out really well as a final product, great songs, great cover art) as some sort of grand indictment of purposeful wrongdoing on ye’s part. I’m going to go out on a limb and assume she was pitched the idea of being apart of the 7 song lineup - if she wanted more attention and a longer album, she could have backed out. Not just the ceos getting blinded by the glow. My take is the reason teyana didn’t explode about the album is there is more truth in her dropping the ball as well than she’s admitting - if she hadn’t heard her album until they played it at HER (not their, Joe - it was hers) release party, that was her fault for not being there until they pressed play to ensure HER OWN PRODUCT would be released the way she saw fit. All this teyana caping is bullshit, she can’t be y’all strong black queen & totally powerless and incapable of protecting her artistic integrity at the same time ❤️
@@cleesely I agree, I enjoyed her project until I heard her shitting all over it. I think Pusha said that she wasn't around for mixing and stuff but he stayed around for his project. He is pres so I understand why he'd be there but damn, she's an artist, I'd expect an artist to be around for mixing smh.
30:26 whyyyy you gotta do us like thisssssss Joeyyyyy 😂😂😂😂😂 please let’s know I take more from this than the voice.
Joes co-host better get their own shows that they OWN 100% of.
It’s just name. They can still own part of the “ Joe budden” network
@@taylor5607 That's fine. I'm just saying that they better have ownership in the entity or ownership of their own content and IP. That said...No such thing as just a name. Naming the network after oneself is a clear signal that the intention is to further brand SELF. The network can only go as far as Joe goes and can never SELL without Joe being a part of it. Interesting strategy.
"Mayonaise color benz I push miracle whips!" Come on don't hate... that'll always be a bar!
JOE BUDDEN NETWORK!!$!!!! 💙🖤💙
Operation Paperclip within the first 90 seconds; this one's gonna be a ride.
Have to watch Joe here, deleted the Spotify app
@ 5:24 that was a shot at Akademiks 😂😂😂
18:53 word to Daytona lol
Joe fuck with us Platlife Ent! We on the come up and need that push king!! Either way keep killing the podcast game and staying true to yourself and your beliefs!! 🐐💯
Lots of geniuses in the comments speculating about an industry they know nothing about ... let alone a contract.
Exactly
We ain’t gotta speculate if the man is laying it all out for us
Rory Got That Sean Evens Hair Cutt 🤣
Michelle Obama is also an attorney. Obviously she knows how get a contract.
Olivia Rodrigues exactly like she didn’t study a law related degree at an Ivy League college
@@M360-w6o They always underestimating the ladies.
Olivia Rodrigues sometimes people forget that Michelle is bigger than just a former First Lady.
M 360 y’all are nuts just because she’s an attorney doesn’t mean she know how to negotiate a contract especially a music contract where the good attorneys have a hard time with music attorneys have a hard time with
Deonta Johnson Joe was talking about her podcast deal with Spotify, why are you bringing up music ?
ye giving all good music artists they masters back
To be real Kanye, never owned good music. Alot of these rappers don't own them record companies. It's just be for fronts. See how scared black rappers scared to speak up on what Kanye saying. But ppl was on Birdman head....
@Jack Louis They don't go indy because you have to put in more work on the ground level and they'll never admit it but they LOVE the attention. They want to be "stars," not just paid. Tech N9ne richer than most of them but you never hear him on the radio. It was the same with Nipsey. They're willing to sacrifice making more money for getting to rub shoulders with all the fake ass Hollyweirdos...
that goes to show how black people will turn on their own but not the big white man. Black people may not be slaves physically but in the sub conscious alot of us are shackled down.
@Red PanDa1 Birdman sold his label to Universal. That's why he made Rich Gang.. my dude.
first time to hear Joe Budden say something good, he articulated every point with grace. Keep it up Joe
Some people know what’s REALLY going on, and others laugh at their expense. Kanye been ahead of everyone since he came out.
lou Richardson you mad?
@@archermaravilla1674 he's probably a taylor swift fan
lou Richardson you crazy 808 heart breaks ain’t trash ...your father’s ethics are trash 🗑 cmon college drop mic🎤 🎙
I love conversations like this but it isn’t much business sense in this discussion. Artist are trying to rewrite standard business principles, as long as labels are putting up the money their taking the bulk of the risk which means the splits are going to be off. Take Jeff Bezos for example he only owns 17% of that company in order to grow he had to give up ownership.
Y’all was dodging this topic just like I knew y’all would🤦🏾♂️
Only listned for 15 minutes , i already have to say Joe, and this is only the 2nd podcast ive listned of ur show, U Joe, are really , U are a real DEEP thinker, mutch respect. Mutch LOVE to you man, i hope u get where u want to be man , BleSS-U
Where was this energy with the Mase & Diddy deal?
Revolt bag
They’re biased towards Diddy
Trapiii and jay
Rory out here looking like a young DJ Vlad
He owns 50% of it and he’s giving it back to them.
Daaamn he said Vivendi. That is pretty damn crazy if Ye is challenging the people in that bubble.
Why don’t artist just stop putting out music until shit is right🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
“ we got family to feed “
@@Augastine1 exactly some will sell out
Legal stuff. Some artists just can’t stop putting out music or the label will come after them legally
@@ericsmith854 Pusha has a line alluding to that. The line isn't about him, it's about the big stars.
It’s cuz they all won’t do it together one person will not make change alone