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I think Nixxes has to be one of Sony's best investments currently as a back-up support studio for their first party titles.
Most definitely all there ports been solid except Spider-Man it was okay at launch
Stop talking like a robot. Just say it's a cool studio. Should be enough.
@@adriantrusca1245 sounds like he got ChatGPT to write his comment
The last of us is the only bad Port but I think it was the Infamous Arkham Porter who did it, not Nixxes?
@@applehazeva2739 yup iron galaxy
1152x720, MED, FSR3 Quality, TDPLock 10W - Just about a 40fps lock. Just at 3hrs on a full battery (LCD) This game runs great on the DECK.
All that nerdy talk.
@@adriantrusca1245 this is a tech analysis channel what did you expect ?😂
@@greensamurai5805 man's afraid of coming out of the nerd closet and don't want people to be "nerdy" on a DF video (though he clicked it too). Give him time.
10W ? Yeah right!
I know Steam Deck settings when I see them. Good on you, my friend. Thanks!
On Steam Deck Oled, I run medium settings at 800P Fsr 3.0 with dynamic scaling set to 45 fps, and steam deck set for 45 fps (90 hrtz). It runs mostly at 45 fps with some dips to 40 or just under. No tearing and its a great smooth experience.
what about the battery life with those settings?
One of the absolute best performing games on Deck for me.
because the settings are low enough
When was it released on steam deck? I got it day one and it didn’t have it ready?
Nixxes have always been the GOAT they even reached out to the 3D vision mod community to make sure the Tomb Raider games where working in stereoscopic properly back in the day. Pretty much unheard of. Sony knew what they were doing when they acquired them...
Kinda surprised they weren't throwing early review codes at people saying "trying using DLSS *with* AMD Frame Gen".
John and Oliver- the dream team! So refreshing to see those two in the same stream. Wish we could get more like this! Definitely a great way to improve the show!!!
Noticed the black bars on the cutscenes when using DLSS quality and frame gen, never effects gameplay, just the cutsceneses for some reason. Hopefully they can patch that, other than than it runs and looks amazing. I did try DLAA for a sharper image with nvidia's own frame gen and the black bars still appear, but thanks to frame gen I can just about maintain my screen cap of 120fps ultra at 4K DLAA and it looks very nice with a 4090.
I had the black bars bug too. Looks like a vsync bug. I disabled all traces of upscaling, ran at native 4K and the game looks sublime and runs absolutely beautifully. It's also a fantastic game! If AC Shadows is 50% as good as this game, I'll be excited! :)
I had the same issue during a number of cutscenes where i would have large bars flickering around the screen.
Im using a aw3423dw monitor and wasn’t sure if it was ultrawide, hdr or frame gen causing the issue.
I love the Steam Deck content!
On Steam Deck OLED, currently using Default *Medium* preset, V-Sync *ON,* AMD FSR 3.0 auto-FPS set to *46,* and SteamOS refresh set to *45.* Playing through using SteamOS Preview channel (3.6) and latest Proton Experimental.
How long does the battery last?
@@fear3bk 2hr 40min at full charge
Hey @DigitalFoundry please try manually adding the free XeSS 1.3 patch to the game folder. I hope it will get rid of the grass shimmering. I might have to test this out on my 7840u windows handheld (GPD Win Mini) for a 768p @40fps lock. Very tempted.
Honestly I'm so in love with my steam deck. All you have to do is mention steam deck on the title and you've got my attention 😅
Just some extra information from a mid-range user (RTX 3070Ti, i7 12700F): the frame rate is heavily fluctuating if being uncapped, first it goes anywhere between 50 fps all the way up to 200 fps. Maximum settings (above the highest, 16x AF etc.) no DLSS, no FSR frame gen, no variable resolution, just native 1080p. First I dropped some settings to get 60+ minimums, but the solution is simple really: just turn on vsync. I put half refresh (72 fps) because a locked 144 Hz wasn't achievable. Now it's running on true max settings with DLAA and it's a rock solid 72 fps with 0 dips.
3070 Ti Mobile and 6800H here. I had the same problem with the frame time, was all over the place and fps fluctuated a lot (from high 40s to low 100s). I tried dynamic resolution first to lock 1080p 60Hz (high preset) and nothing, DLSS 3 didn't help too much with the fluctuation either. I used DLSS Q and Vsync and got 60Hz rock solid, even in the more intensive scenes. It seems this game really needs Vsync and the % lows well over your desired framerate to lock it perfectly. Then i used FSR 3 and 120Hz were rock solid as well.
Yo since when did a 3070 ti become midranger 😢 that stuff costed me more than a 3080 in 2021
@@ishan21212
I payed 600 € for mine in September 2022 so I feel you, but that's the way prices were back then. The 4070 was just around the corner, but I couldn't wait no longer because my previous rig (1070, i5 7500) just gave up on me so I needed a quick solution.
@@Just_An_Ignacio
The game engine was clearly designed with vsync in mind. Fortunately it's one of those games where the vsync actually works. 😏
Will sony update there launcher to work on steam deck because we can't play co op single player only for now.
Can you use frame gen on this with 3080?
im so happy to see frame gen, I used to hate frame gen but if you have 40 fps and up frame gen look amazing and precise but if you have lower than 40 fps u start to see some issues like lipsinking isn't accurate, I don't know is that has to do with frame gen at lower fps but I notice than but in terms of ghosting I didn't notice anything
FSR 3.1 frame gen works amazing in this game (obviously DLSS3 is better but still). FS3 generates frames between the "real" ones using parts of them, so the more separated in time those "real" frames are (low FPS) the more different they'll be, then the generated frame between two real ones will be less and less accurate. That's the main reason why AMD recomends to have 60 or more FPS to have an "ideal" FSR3 experience.
I know it's niche but would love to see steam deck performance also cover running in Windows as that opens up using lossless scaling...
It’s amazing!! I can run at 13W on the A1 Pro. Nixxes is easily the best dev for these PC ports.
The best in business these guys are benchmark gods
Currently downloading on my legion go!
You guys should do a follow up on horizon forbidden west PC port. It ran great until the DLC area - there is some huge performance bugs going on effecting most high end pcs. Seeing a lot of others with similar issues
The notice I received about this clip was quite nominal.
I’ve for the flickering black bars with diss frame Gen too.
gentoo user?😂
Brilliant port. I hope it sells millions. A great game and the dev studio deserve reward and hopefully can continue in the future.
btw if your fps is too high the standoffs dont work properly
Let’s gooo steam deck 😎
Comon ollie, you tried this game out on steam deck and saw shimmering grass with fsr and didnt try xess do you could talk about it? True console gamer.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is just an average port? I mean the PS5 version runs at a solid 60fps on 1800p while I see vcards around 3060 struggling to hit 60 at 1080p?
You are incorrect lol. I’m not sure if you realize, but your fps is determined more than just resolution lol.
@@GrimAbstract he's actually right
Man, Digital Foundry without Alex is not quite Digital Foundry in my mind. I really feel like they missed a few important tidbits of the pc port that I feel Alex would catch. Like the fact that yes it is the first time FSR FG and DLSS is supported in unison officially but they can be used in CP2077 too if you mod it, which I believe Alex have already tried.
Also the fact that Nixxes has acknowledged there is a crash issue with the i7 13th and 14th gen cpus and lastly there is a memory leak discussion going on where a lot of people are reporting memory leak "like" issues but there's a megathread on steam saying it's been debunked that there is a memory leak.
Looking forward to Alex's dedicated video on this.
DF is dead with the Push of Reconstruction Technich and sub 720p Res.
The Old DF would have shamed all these artefacted shit with a big Cry for MSAA and Native Res.
The shimmering seems to be a common issue for the Deck. Same happens with Horizon Zero Dawn. That grass is tough to scale.
I want a steam deck 😬
I got the black lines with frame gen . Glad it's not just me
Sadly the game was delisted on Steam in my region and at the moment is still unavailable for purchase. Same with Helldivers 2. Sony is moving on with their psn requirement noatter what 😢 I assume their mext move is to launch their own PC PSN store.
I agree with u completely.
I think it's a shame you don't look at the 7840U-based handhelds too. Like the Rog Ally. From what I understand, there are huge performance differences in modern games.
Because they are baised and it's blantly obvious they are valve/steamdeck shills.
what are the optimized settings for Steam Deck?
Using Steam Preview 3.6
1280x800
FSR 3 Quality
High Textures
Medium Shadows
Medium Depth of Field
Low Everything Else
15w TDP
48 FPS consistent in like 80-90 % of scenarios with dips to 40 during general gameplay in extreme scenarios and 30 fps in real time cutscenes.
The new mesa drivers are doing a lot of work. Performance is worse on 3.5
wait for the release of the official video
@@beebop7039 thanks so much
@ProtectusCZ my settings are based on 20 hours of gameplay in the first area of the map. Outside of two specific areas that are super heavy with flowers and particles effects which ran at a consistent 40 instead of 48. The overwhelming performance I got was 48fps while traveling, in combat, base infiltration, etc. Golden Temple is a spot where fps can fluctuate but you're largely at or above 40.
Mind you, Steam OS 3.6 with 4GB vram setting.
@@beebop7039 is the 4gb vram a good option? I heard minimum returns
I desperately need them to fix this bug where duels only work half the time. Sometimes it registers you holding the triangle, other times it doesn’t and you just gonna get slaughtered. 🤦🏽♂️
Damn that's sounds terrible. Haven't had that at all thankfully. I'm using a wired Ps5 controller
Apparently you have to lock the refresh or frame rate
I believe that's a "your system/setup" problem. I win 19/20 times and when i lose it has nothing to do with bugs. Flawless port imho. (wired xbox controller, no steam)
To my eyes the perceived difference between FSR frame gen vs DLSS frame gen is way way way smaller than FSR upsampling vs DLSS upsampling. Like FSR2 upsampling just looks like garbage to me, meanwhile DLSS is on the other end of the spectrum where I prefer its look to the native resolution with TAA, it's stable top tier image quality vs deep fried pixelized artifacted garbage. But for frame gen? I can use FSR3 frame gen all day and not notice a difference unless I compare it with DLSS3 FG side by side. FSR3 frame gen with DLSS upsampling is a godsend for RTX 30 and 20 cards.
it has quote unquote dropped
Get ready for comparisons to AC Shadows later this year and how much better Ghost is gonna look. Mark my words.
Ambient Occlusion? No RT support for surface lighting instead? Interesting how this is still on a case-by-case basis, despite the outcry for RT some years ago by 3rd parties and press.
Im getting 65-75 on the Legion Go 🤷🏾♂️
Yeah but the legion go is the legion go 😂
@AnotherShoutIntoTheVoid Ahhhh, fair enough
I can’t get it to even load no matter what I do. I run Horizon Forbidden West well an FCC my specs are within requirements
Disappointing and I have been waiting several days for an answer from Nixxes
How's the multiplayer on Steam Deck?
Doesn’t work unless you run windows on the steam deck due to mandatory PSN signin
@@patr1ckm1tch3ll So wait, if the PSN does not work why the hell did they region locked it? 🤦
Is it cheaper for the steam deck then, because of that missing feature?
@@mavkoshv9149 PSN does not work due to steam deck running Linux. The game is region locked and unavailable on steam in over 100 countries due to them not being able to create PSN accounts
@@mavkoshv9149 and no the price is the same for steam deck even though you can’t use the multiplayer 🙃
@@mavkoshv9149 You can't buy the game "for the Steam Deck", and so you will have to wait for a sale if you want it cheaper. Even if they released a Linux version, the cross-platform releases tend to be bundled with the mainline Windows release.
If you have to rely on FSR, it should be Tagged Deck Unplayable.
Playing with Artifact everywhere makes no sense, Reconstruction Technich Destroyed Optimisation and Destroy Visual Quality.
I want my Native + MSAA Back.
Vram leak for sure
it runs incredibly well - 40 to 50 fps and it looks fantastic
do not use fsr 3 lmao
I love my Steam Deck, but I don't understand why people insist on playing graphically intensive AAA games on it.
Because of its Portability. Even if it's just for an hour or two.
My main with the deck aim was getting access to my old Steam Library from 10 years ago because I don't have a gaming PC anymore.
I'd definitely rather play games that run well and look good on the deck but it games are playable and look nice on the deck I'll give them a go (once on sale!).
It's accessible and portable. You can just turn it on and play for a while wherever you are, especially if you have the OLED model.
My Steamdeck is my only PC
Why buy a Steam Deck if you're not going to use it. Are you going to just replay older games you've already beaten? Go through a backlog of games you weren't interested enough in to play when you bought them? Sometimes you want to push the Steam Deck a little and see what it is capable of, and get a fresh experience. Given that the Steam Deck is close to being a portable PlayStation 4, PS4 ports would seem to be good candidates for it.
DF Clips is a red flag on its own
Every AAA title on the pc needs FSR3 on day one.
And DLSS, and XeSS. Including all these technologies should be the bare minimum for a PC port now.
I just wondering why youtubers, blogers, vlogers, journalists, how ever are they called these days, why they dont raise their voices how SONY discriminated 180 countries in the world which can not buy this game?!?! Vast majority of the world does not have PSN and pretending how all is ok?SONY literally discriminated people by the country where do they live. And yet youtubers still talking about PC port of this game???
There are 195 countries in the world, this means game is available only in 15 of them?
@@fewrules5073 180 countries can not buy it because it is required PSN and vast majority of the world does not have PSN.
@@fewrules5073 There is no option to buy, when u try to buy either there is no option to order it or u can read that it can not be activated in your country. So if that is not discrimination by the where do u live i dont know what is it?
It's only on pc for countries whom Playstation deems worthy 😂 fk that I got a Pirated Copy
#Oliemack 😂😂😂😂 LLL
He hurt ps getting dunked on by PC lmao wish Alex was there fr and clean your steam deck PONY😬😬😬
No ads? Based.
The Deck brings the goods once again!
Game runs well on rx7900xtx
No kidding lol
@@pegcity4eva I think what he meant to say is that the 7900 XTX runs this game particularly well, like it punches above its weight. On average an RTX 4090 is 20-22% faster than the 7900XTX at playing rasterized games at 4K, while in this game the lead shrinks down to 13-14%. It's like this with Horizon Forbidden West too. Nixxes is doing a pretty good job with making the most out of hardware from both parties!
@@Shieftain yes some reviewed with hardly any gap especially with frame gen on both.
I dont get the idea of Frame Gen. If you turn it on you have to turn off Vsync, otherwise input lag is awful. If you turn off Vsync you will have tearing so you need VRR. If you engage that, your tearing goes away but your pc is pushing it very hard because no one needs more than 60fps in a singleplayer game but there is no cap anymore. Am i Oldschool by still using 4k60 with vsync on?
HDR on the OLED model is too dark. Disabling HDR makes the game even darker than it should be.
This game isn't great for performance tbh, not sure why the narrative is it performs well, 80fps with 4090 at the worst isn't good.
Bruh what. Thats insanely good. If the LOWEST your game goes is 80fps that’s insanely above par
@@kennypowers1945 This guy thinks just because he has a 4090, hes above DLSS and everything that isnt the most cuttting edge RT game should automatically run 4k120 lmao
Speaking as a 4090 owner myself, the game performs great. My issues with this port are with facial expressions, lip sync, FMVs, and texture loading being slow. Nothing to do with performance though
@@kennypowers1945 look its subjective
It has a couple of settings that have a huge hit on performance with little increase in quality, so once you drop those down to high from max you'll get performance that's much more in line with what a 4090 should be getting.
second!
Post of sec-shima?
Ghost of Tsushima Directors Cut is enhanced version so the graphics are way better and require a beefy system to run at native 4k and 60 plus fps yes it a ps4 game but the experience on pc is way ahead and it looks way better on pc than a ps5.
Still no optimization? slooooooowww
bro clean your deck
FORBIDDEN WEST Runs like Trash on the Steamdeck, but The Rog Alley &LegionGo go handles the game easily. The steamdeck is mediocre!
For me, just the Fact you have to use PS2 Era Resolutions to handle the Game is a Red Flag.
The Deck should Definitely get replaced ASAP, it has make his time.
Here, its like Sony would have released Returnal on PS4, just for the sake of it "Look it run on PS4...at 480p UpSampled FSRtefact 3"...
Seriously, DF is dead, the Old DF was far more Objective.
Jesus loves you ❤️
@13:50 No offense, but clean your steam deck. You are a professional and it's super dirty and distracting.
Everyone dont have 4090s like you guys...This game runs like dogshit on my 4080super in 4k. I have only 50-60fps in 4K native and when using frame gen game runs out of Vram afte 1-2hours of gameplay. Not to mension i only have 70-90Fps with framegen.
The game is lame.. Bad animation, poor combat .. the fact you need a special pad to really play the game? ... RDR2 Is the better game and that game is getting old. Come back when you beat that game ... I'm not sure GTA6 will beat RDR2.
Gayblade 2 flopped hard!!!!!!! MEGA L FOR THE GAYBOX FANQUEERS!!!!!!!
How was School today?
@@mikeuk666 You mean infant school? lol
What a beta boy comment 😂
@mikeuk666 how was your 30fps walking simulator?
@@HiN00bs12 You have a potato computer huh
I am playing this on steam deck and I don't need a 4090 to crank it up.