I flew IFR into KSLC a year ago for my first bravo experience landing and departing 35. Would have to say it was much easier than expected. Only unexpected thing that happened was I filed so that I entered the airspace in my Bonanza from the north as I had transversed the Rockies from KCYS. As I arrived they switched airport traffic flow. Anxiety rose but the controller very efficiently vectored me to a left downwind on 34L then had me do a max decent across finals of 34L & 34R between landing traffic to a final on 35. KSLC controllers were super nice and professional. Martin if I had to guess I think the ground controller is a fan and created the drama to get max time on your video! 😂 Great episode!
Student pilot, checkride in March. My first time landing off my home airport and getting out of the airplane was at STS this summer! Cold drinks at the jet center were much appreciated and they were very nice even though we weren't buying anything (student and CFI). Always nice to watch you & family taking trips. I learn a lot since what you do matches my future missions very closely.
As always Martin great video, the 47 minute ground run at SLC is one of the big reasons I try and avoid the big airports #1 being the out of sight fuel cost. Would have been just a little concerned getting that far out over the salt lake but the good news there is the water is really dense so maybe the plane would float longer :). Great seeing Ms Becky tell her I said hi, hope to catch you at Mason City sometime this spring or at Oshkosh for sure. I did get put in the penalty box at Peachtree Dekalb last summer for missing a radio call, it was really hot and the Comanche doesn't have air conditioning.
Nice to see you flying in my learning grounds. Flew a Xcountry from Logan to Wendover at 10,500 in a C 152 in 1981. Pretty much along your route. It was winter time though. Always enjoy your videos Martin!
Martin: I always thought you were cool, but today you proved that you are cool after that fiasco with ground atc in slc! I flow through there a few years ago from KCCR to Oshkosh and back and on my return flight, I chose an smaller airport to avoid SLC. Love watching you fly. Many happy landings to you and your family.
It didn't seem like a nightmare at the time, Mike. Just a few more hurdles than usual. The zigzag routine of the original cleared route was a mystery, though! - Martin
To those critical of Salt Lake ATC, if the airliners are landing and departing rwy 35, that means things were very busy with landings and departures on 34R and 34L. Sequencing a slow GA airplane through the busy approach and departure corridors is a difficult task. ATC offered the VFR transition route, which makes things fast and efficient for GA aircraft. I've flew out of KSLC as flight instructor based there and we never had to wait more than a few minutes even at busiest of times when flying VFR transition routes. Sounds like the tower controlers were also waiting for a release from ARTCC. There's also several other smaller GA airports in the Salt Lake area that are non-towered.
Thanks for the explanation, John. I bet some of this also had to do with construction at the airport (the center runway was closed). I do wonder if things had been easier if Ground had had me taxi over to the west runway (34L) - a longer taxi, but I could have turned left after take-off without getting into the path of other departures. I am more puzzled about the initial clearance which had me zigzag to the west, then back to the airport, and then towards my destination. That seemed really odd, and it was a first for me in more than 25 years of instrument flying. Regards, Martin
@martinpauly I've never seen them taxi GA to the west of the airport, it's a pretty convoluted terminal area between the main runways. Usually the vrf departure to west is a downwind on the east side of the airport and then crosswind over the numbers of the runway in use. When landing to north they use the I-80 transition (follow Interstate I-80 west bound @ 5500') and with landings to the south, they use the barn transition, which has pilots fly over the numbers of 17, 16L and 16R @ 5500', then a turn to the northwest to a big red barn located about 5 NM west of airport on the shoreline of Antelope Island (sometimes you can see the herd of bison grazing). Then resume own navigation. As far as the departure clearance I don't what happened there! Your videos by the way, are awesome!! I wish you were around 20 years when I was doing my instrument training. I've directed students and fellow pilots to your channel many times!
@@johnsgliderworld Thanks for the kind words, John. FYI, when we arrived the day before, I landed on 34L. Yes, the taxi to the FBO was quite something, but still faster than our outbound taxi in this video. - Martin
I'm sure was almost entirely due to the center runway closure. S56 (the tracon) and tower were probably running the high departure demand config of departing 35 and 34L and all arrivals to runway 35. That makes this departure extremely tricky to work on. Small plane that has to fly a mile to cross 34L, then get another 3 for radar separation. Probably shuts down all west side departures for like 3-5 minutes, depending on the sequence. You need to fit into the arrival sequence on 35 as well. Tough. These runway rubber removal weekends at slc suckkkkkk.
Holy Smokes! SLC Center was a little confused------ There's no way you should have waited that long. Loved the flight though. I grew up in SLC, you flew near Antelope Island. Thanks for the video.
I did a lot of California flying many years ago and loved it out there. The scenery is beautiful wherever one goes, and the weather is usually sublime. I earned my PPL at a little airport about 100 miles south of STS called Reid Hillview (RHV) back in 1988, which is on the south end of the San Francisco Bay. Bay area flying is sensational. I hope you get to spend some time doing some local flights while you're out there.
Thanks, David. We enjoyed very nice views or the Bay area on our way to Long Beach, a few days after this video was recorded. I'll have that flight out on TH-cam early next year. - Martin
There is... and I felt the video was long enough (maybe more than long enough?) the way it is. Even in flight, those are the times when I look for the second engine to fast forward. 🤣 - Martin
Great vid as always! How are you powering your starlink mini? I bought one and my garmin gsb15 usbc won't put out enough power to run it and I'm having to plug it into a battery pack. Is there a better usbc I could get that would power it? Want to power it with aircraft power and not have to bring this battery pack. Thx
Thanks! Regarding the Starlink Mini, there are several options to power it. Right now I'm using one of the larger power banks from Anker. Mid-Continent just came out with a new panel-mount USB-C power port (called TA360) for up to 100W, compatible with Starlink, and I'm going to put one of those into my Bonanza this winter. - Martin
Like you, I’ve flown into and out of a lot of busy airports, including but not limited to, Hamburg, Schipol,Athens, Nice, Kennedy, and Miami, but I have never been jerked around like that. It would be nice to have been a fly on the wall in that control tower to see and hear precisely what was going on. And that initial clearance was bizarre. The only saving grace was having the AC probably made it tolerable.
Hi Martin, I do wonder what was up with that initial clearance. That route made no sense, and there was probably a better explanation than "that's what Center gave us". Runway construction (34R was closed that day) probably didn't help with getting us released for departure. - Martin
The ATIS was "Use caution for [wrong surface] departures." The initial clearance is definitely strange. Maybe SPATS is a point they use since it's when terrain rises, and they failed on editing the route to remove STACO. I could maybe see them not giving you STACO because you would need more than a 200 FPNM climb to get to the MEA on V32 at STACO.
Thanks for filling in the blank on the ATIS - makes perfect sense, and now that I've read it in your comment, I can hear it in the voice, too. Regards, Martin
That must be very frustrating to have 47 min in departure out od Sale Lake, just does not make sense to me sounds like, etc a training session or price in tower, have a great trip love your new panel you are a lot more patient than I would have been, CHRISTOPHER OTTAWA CANADA
Hi Christopher. These trips to Class Bravo airports are usually not efficient, but yes, this one was a bit extreme. Between construction (the center runway was closed) and the fact that my departure from 35 crossed through the departure path of 34L made this non-trivial for ATC. I do wonder if it had been easier to have me taxi to 34L on the west side. Regards, Martin
Hi Rick. Don't let this experience keep you from the beautiful city and nature. Lots to see in the area, and I am sure there are other airports more suitable for general aviation. Regards, Martin
Delay probably had something to do with activity in the area regarding v32 which is why the original flight plan had you departing west of the port then having that changed back to the original flight plan just exacerbated the coordination issue by putting you back a few spots in the clearance cue. My guess anyway.
Maybe. Though I'd imagine any separation concern was in the SLC terminal area. There isn't a whole lot west of Salt Lake City to worry about, not until you get to California. - Martin
Hi Martin, why did the Bonanza V tail go ahead of you? BTW Mcllelan air force base has a great show every year in March. It is Called the California Capital Air Show.
Hi Mike, I believe that Bonanza departed VFR, so the controllers could work with different (more relaxed) separation rules between him and other traffic. - Martin
At the very least you should have been told why three plans behind you were cleared before you. It seemed to me that the holdup was your ifr was not released. But I thought you received release before you taxied?? Was that the reason?
What I received before taxi was my IFR clearance. That's the route and altitude I'm cleared to fly, but only after I am also released for departure. At an uncontrolled field, that release is explicit via radio (or phone) from ATC to the pilot. At a towered airport, that release is implied with the take-off clearance, but ATC manages the release behind the scenes - in this case by Tower talking to the Approach controller, but it could also be through a Letter of Agreement (LOA) between Tower/Local and Approach. I, too was curious why other airplanes (including a jet, which surely was IFR) were able to go when I couldn't. Maybe it was the direction of flight... Regards, Martin
Speech patterns appear to change considerably west of the Rockies They tend to drop as many syllables as possible, sort of California style, most noticably at Utah me thinx. 😊
KSLC does not like non-121/non-jet traffic. We came in IFR in a Mooney and they waited till the last second to "slam dunk" us from 11,000 almost directly over the airport. We obliged the favor and gave them a "death spiral" lickey-split down to the runway. The only reason we chose KSLC for a fuel stop was "convenience" - NEVER AGAIN.
Hi Ted, next time in the area I'll probably go to another airport, now that I have checked the SLC box in my Class Bravo airports bucket list. - Martin
I just flew VFR Bay Area to SLC area. There is a good reason they had to initially call what is now known as "Groom Lake/Area 51", "Paradise Ranch" if there was any hope to get folks to work there. That area of the country is truly barren.
@@martinpauly I read that in either the Kelly Johnson's book or maybe it was Bob Hoover's book. Either way you'd need "something special", which I'm sure the govt provided.
Looks like ground screwed up the sequence and made it the little guy's problem. Oh well. I know Departure was expecting a certain order. Not sure the legalities of departing VFR after already receiving your IFR clearance, but I can see it basically kicking the can down the road and having somebody else deal with ground and tower's problem.
Martin you were far too accommodating to those clowns in Salt Lake. Total incompetence in the tower. You needed a number to call to get them removed from the tower.
I wouldn't go that far. To me, it looked like a little lack of efficiency, not lack of competence. Certainly it's not my place to have anyone removed from their jobs there. - Martin
@@martinpauly I'll concede they didn't deserve to be removed but as you said in the video the field wasn't that busy. Not being aware of your position on the taxiway and the location of the other aircraft that they themselves had directed to move is incompetence in my book. The controller was aware you were at the hold short line and then forgot you existed? I would at least have had the tapes pulled and reviewed for training purposes.
YT commenters love a good ATC-outrage, but seriously, if we all were recorded all day, every day at work, and anyone could grab our worst 10 minutes and publish it on the internet - how perfect would we look?
Folks, it is a HARD FACT most towers are short staffed. Removing a qualified controller for a (relatively minor) delay is Not Going To Happen. Many smaller Class D airports are running reduced tower hours due to staffing.
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Nice job catching the departure clearance mistake by Center on the ground ! Great video as usual.
Thank you, Jim. Yes, much easier to sort the routing issue out on the ground than after take-off!
- Martin
Yep, who knows what reroute you would have received while in climb out. Take care fly safe. Becky excellent co pilot!
Your videos are always well done. Thanks for another great one
My pleasure, Chad!
- Martin
I flew IFR into KSLC a year ago for my first bravo experience landing and departing 35. Would have to say it was much easier than expected. Only unexpected thing that happened was I filed so that I entered the airspace in my Bonanza from the north as I had transversed the Rockies from KCYS. As I arrived they switched airport traffic flow. Anxiety rose but the controller very efficiently vectored me to a left downwind on 34L then had me do a max decent across finals of 34L & 34R between landing traffic to a final on 35. KSLC controllers were super nice and professional. Martin if I had to guess I think the ground controller is a fan and created the drama to get max time on your video! 😂 Great episode!
I see - I should thank the Ground controller! 👍😊
Glad to hear your experience was more straightforward.
- Martin
Merry Christmas from Sydney Australia. Enjoy the aircon.
🎄🌏
Thank you, John. Merry Christmas!
- Martin
Student pilot, checkride in March. My first time landing off my home airport and getting out of the airplane was at STS this summer! Cold drinks at the jet center were much appreciated and they were very nice even though we weren't buying anything (student and CFI).
Always nice to watch you & family taking trips. I learn a lot since what you do matches my future missions very closely.
Best of luck for your flight training and for the practical test!
- Martin
As always Martin great video, the 47 minute ground run at SLC is one of the big reasons I try and avoid the big airports #1 being the out of sight fuel cost. Would have been just a little concerned getting that far out over the salt lake but the good news there is the water is really dense so maybe the plane would float longer :). Great seeing Ms Becky tell her I said hi, hope to catch you at Mason City sometime this spring or at Oshkosh for sure. I did get put in the penalty box at Peachtree Dekalb last summer for missing a radio call, it was really hot and the Comanche doesn't have air conditioning.
Nice to hear from you, Mike! Yes, come to Third Thursday sometime next year!
- Martin
Great vid Martin. Nice approach into Santa Rosa. Watching from a cruise on the Mekong River. Cheers.
Nice to see you flying in my learning grounds. Flew a Xcountry from Logan to Wendover at 10,500 in a C 152 in 1981. Pretty much along your route. It was winter time though. Always enjoy your videos Martin!
That sounds like a great flight - I hope the heat was working!
- Martin
Martin: I always thought you were cool, but today you proved that you are cool after that fiasco with ground atc in slc! I flow through there a few years ago from KCCR to Oshkosh and back and on my return flight, I chose an smaller airport to avoid SLC. Love watching you fly. Many happy landings to you and your family.
Thanks - though I should give credit to the air conditioning for keeping me cool! 😎
Regards,
Martin
Love your videos. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
- Martin
Another great flight. Thanks for taking us along.
Happy to share the flight with you all!
- Martin
quite a busy departure and arrival. Well done.
Thanks, Richard.
- Martin
Another wonderful IFR flight , thanks so much for sharing , i enjoyed the ride very much, keep well...all the best.🌹
Appreciate your kind words. Thanks for coming along!
- Martin
Wonderful flight! A very nice vídeo.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
- Martin
WOW, Martin! That was a nightmare getting out of KSLC! I'm impressed!
It didn't seem like a nightmare at the time, Mike. Just a few more hurdles than usual. The zigzag routine of the original cleared route was a mystery, though!
- Martin
@martinpauly Still...I admire you patience
To those critical of Salt Lake ATC, if the airliners are landing and departing rwy 35, that means things were very busy with landings and departures on 34R and 34L. Sequencing a slow GA airplane through the busy approach and departure corridors is a difficult task. ATC offered the VFR transition route, which makes things fast and efficient for GA aircraft. I've flew out of KSLC as flight instructor based there and we never had to wait more than a few minutes even at busiest of times when flying VFR transition routes. Sounds like the tower controlers were also waiting for a release from ARTCC. There's also several other smaller GA airports in the Salt Lake area that are non-towered.
Thanks for the explanation, John. I bet some of this also had to do with construction at the airport (the center runway was closed). I do wonder if things had been easier if Ground had had me taxi over to the west runway (34L) - a longer taxi, but I could have turned left after take-off without getting into the path of other departures.
I am more puzzled about the initial clearance which had me zigzag to the west, then back to the airport, and then towards my destination. That seemed really odd, and it was a first for me in more than 25 years of instrument flying.
Regards,
Martin
@martinpauly I've never seen them taxi GA to the west of the airport, it's a pretty convoluted terminal area between the main runways. Usually the vrf departure to west is a downwind on the east side of the airport and then crosswind over the numbers of the runway in use. When landing to north they use the I-80 transition (follow Interstate I-80 west bound @ 5500') and with landings to the south, they use the barn transition, which has pilots fly over the numbers of 17, 16L and 16R @ 5500', then a turn to the northwest to a big red barn located about 5 NM west of airport on the shoreline of Antelope Island (sometimes you can see the herd of bison grazing). Then resume own navigation.
As far as the departure clearance I don't what happened there!
Your videos by the way, are awesome!! I wish you were around 20 years when I was doing my instrument training. I've directed students and fellow pilots to your channel many times!
@@johnsgliderworld Thanks for the kind words, John. FYI, when we arrived the day before, I landed on 34L. Yes, the taxi to the FBO was quite something, but still faster than our outbound taxi in this video.
- Martin
these GA guys that want to "knock off" class bravos and then dont want to wait around for jetliners crack me up. thats kinda what you signed up for
I'm sure was almost entirely due to the center runway closure. S56 (the tracon) and tower were probably running the high departure demand config of departing 35 and 34L and all arrivals to runway 35.
That makes this departure extremely tricky to work on. Small plane that has to fly a mile to cross 34L, then get another 3 for radar separation. Probably shuts down all west side departures for like 3-5 minutes, depending on the sequence. You need to fit into the arrival sequence on 35 as well. Tough.
These runway rubber removal weekends at slc suckkkkkk.
Holy Smokes! SLC Center was a little confused------ There's no way you should have waited that long.
Loved the flight though. I grew up in SLC, you flew near Antelope Island. Thanks for the video.
Nice video! It took forever to get out of SLC. I just started my A36 checkout! Going back and reviewing your videos! Thanks for sharing!
Very nice - what model year of A36 are you flying?
- Martin
@ 1990
@@AV8OR51 Very nice!
Did she catch the Pringles can @22:36?
Yes, she did! 👌
- Martin
I did a lot of California flying many years ago and loved it out there. The scenery is beautiful wherever one goes, and the weather is usually sublime. I earned my PPL at a little airport about 100 miles south of STS called Reid Hillview (RHV) back in 1988, which is on the south end of the San Francisco Bay. Bay area flying is sensational. I hope you get to spend some time doing some local flights while you're out there.
Thanks, David. We enjoyed very nice views or the Bay area on our way to Long Beach, a few days after this video was recorded. I'll have that flight out on TH-cam early next year.
- Martin
Love those graphics.
Thank you! I'm glad you liked them.
- Martin
"Is Tango also known as 2?" That was adorable! :)
I chuckle at how you omitted the entire state of Nevada, but I get it. There’s an awful lot of empty there!
There is... and I felt the video was long enough (maybe more than long enough?) the way it is. Even in flight, those are the times when I look for the second engine to fast forward. 🤣
- Martin
Busy flight but fun to watch your skills and patience at work 👍🏻✈️
Thanks for watching! I appreciate your kind words!
- Martin
Great vid as always! How are you powering your starlink mini? I bought one and my garmin gsb15 usbc won't put out enough power to run it and I'm having to plug it into a battery pack. Is there a better usbc I could get that would power it? Want to power it with aircraft power and not have to bring this battery pack. Thx
Thanks! Regarding the Starlink Mini, there are several options to power it. Right now I'm using one of the larger power banks from Anker. Mid-Continent just came out with a new panel-mount USB-C power port (called TA360) for up to 100W, compatible with Starlink, and I'm going to put one of those into my Bonanza this winter.
- Martin
@martinpauly thanks! I'm using the same battery pack for mine. I'm gonna look into getting that usbc installed soon!
Well done.
Thanks!
Like you, I’ve flown into and out of a lot of busy airports, including but not limited to, Hamburg, Schipol,Athens, Nice, Kennedy, and Miami, but I have never been jerked around like that. It would be nice to have been a fly on the wall in that control tower to see and hear precisely what was going on.
And that initial clearance was bizarre.
The only saving grace was having the AC probably made it tolerable.
Hi Martin,
I do wonder what was up with that initial clearance. That route made no sense, and there was probably a better explanation than "that's what Center gave us".
Runway construction (34R was closed that day) probably didn't help with getting us released for departure.
- Martin
Welcome to Sonoma. Great area to fly in.
Thank you - yes, we very much enjoyed our time there, both on the ground and in the air!
- Martin
Is that a Starlink mini on the dash? Can you do a video with your experience using it in the airplane, and how you power it?
Yes.
Yes.
And yes.
Stay tuned. 😉
- Martin
@ yes!
The ATIS was "Use caution for [wrong surface] departures."
The initial clearance is definitely strange. Maybe SPATS is a point they use since it's when terrain rises, and they failed on editing the route to remove STACO. I could maybe see them not giving you STACO because you would need more than a 200 FPNM climb to get to the MEA on V32 at STACO.
Thanks for filling in the blank on the ATIS - makes perfect sense, and now that I've read it in your comment, I can hear it in the voice, too.
Regards,
Martin
That must be very frustrating to have 47 min in departure out od Sale Lake, just does not make sense to me sounds like, etc a training session or price in tower, have a great trip love your new panel you are a lot more patient than I would have been, CHRISTOPHER OTTAWA CANADA
Hi Christopher. These trips to Class Bravo airports are usually not efficient, but yes, this one was a bit extreme. Between construction (the center runway was closed) and the fact that my departure from 35 crossed through the departure path of 34L made this non-trivial for ATC. I do wonder if it had been easier to have me taxi to 34L on the west side.
Regards,
Martin
Solid piloting Martin. Looks you you could have flown the whole trip VFR?
Thanks, Bill. Yes, I could have flown this all VFR, but I do like the additional safety layer of IFR on most cross country flights.
- Martin
Good to see you and Becky again! Remind me to never go to Salt Lake City!
Hi Rick. Don't let this experience keep you from the beautiful city and nature. Lots to see in the area, and I am sure there are other airports more suitable for general aviation.
Regards,
Martin
What Starlink plan do you have that allows you to use it while flying?
It's the Starlink Mini with the Mobile Priority plan. Supposedly works for ground speeds up to 250 mph (or knots?).
- Martin
Martin, you should petition the Air National Guard for a ride aboard the KC-137R, I think that they would take you for a flight.
Really? That's possible? I wouldn't even know where to start or who to ask!
- Martin
Delay probably had something to do with activity in the area regarding v32 which is why the original flight plan had you departing west of the port then having that changed back to the original flight plan just exacerbated the coordination issue by putting you back a few spots in the clearance cue. My guess anyway.
Maybe. Though I'd imagine any separation concern was in the SLC terminal area. There isn't a whole lot west of Salt Lake City to worry about, not until you get to California.
- Martin
Hi Martin, why did the Bonanza V tail go ahead of you? BTW Mcllelan air force base has a great show every year in March. It is Called the California Capital Air Show.
Hi Mike,
I believe that Bonanza departed VFR, so the controllers could work with different (more relaxed) separation rules between him and other traffic.
- Martin
@ Thank you.
Capitol Airshow is held at Mather, but close.
Well that is one way to build your time.
I have many years on the KC-135. It carries up to 30,000 gallons of fuel but it doesn’t always take off full.
Was für ein flug. Ich weiß nicht ob ich die Nerven behalten hätte am Taxi. Sehr gut und ruhig ausgeführt. Die Klima hat sich wohl jetzt ausgezahlt!
Vielen Dank! Stimmt, die Klimaanlage war bei diesem Flug (oder besser gesagt bei diesem Rollen) eine sehr wohltuende Einrichtung.
- Martin
One of the FBOs at STS offers first time visitor a free bottle wine. Got yours😂?
I did not know that, and no such offer was made when we were there. Maybe we went to the wrong FBO?
- Martin
@ checkout the other FBO next time, both of them offer good services with crew cars.
@@dtsh4451 Wilco!
Martin et. al., that departure was straight Ridiculous!
I never expect speed records at a busy Class Bravo airport, but yes, this one was a bit extreme.
- Martin
lots of other airports around i prob would have picked a more practical idea, but you do you
Understood, Justin. I have a bucket list item to fly myself to all the Class Bravo airports in the lower 48; it sure isn't for convenience.
- Martin
The V tail Bonanza was probably without air conditioning. It HAD to get out. 😅
That's hilarious! 😂
(And maybe a little bit true?)
- Martin
At the very least you should have been told why three plans behind you were cleared before you. It seemed to me that the holdup was your ifr was not released. But I thought you received release before you taxied?? Was that the reason?
What I received before taxi was my IFR clearance. That's the route and altitude I'm cleared to fly, but only after I am also released for departure. At an uncontrolled field, that release is explicit via radio (or phone) from ATC to the pilot. At a towered airport, that release is implied with the take-off clearance, but ATC manages the release behind the scenes - in this case by Tower talking to the Approach controller, but it could also be through a Letter of Agreement (LOA) between Tower/Local and Approach.
I, too was curious why other airplanes (including a jet, which surely was IFR) were able to go when I couldn't. Maybe it was the direction of flight...
Regards,
Martin
Speech patterns appear to change considerably west of the Rockies They tend to drop as many syllables as possible, sort of California style, most noticably at Utah me thinx. 😊
KSLC does not like non-121/non-jet traffic. We came in IFR in a Mooney and they waited till the last second to "slam dunk" us from 11,000 almost directly over the airport. We obliged the favor and gave them a "death spiral" lickey-split down to the runway. The only reason we chose KSLC for a fuel stop was "convenience" - NEVER AGAIN.
Hi Ted, next time in the area I'll probably go to another airport, now that I have checked the SLC box in my Class Bravo airports bucket list.
- Martin
I just flew VFR Bay Area to SLC area. There is a good reason they had to initially call what is now known as "Groom Lake/Area 51", "Paradise Ranch" if there was any hope to get folks to work there. That area of the country is truly barren.
I did not know of the "Paradise Ranch" name. That's funny - did people fall for it?
- Martin
@@martinpauly I read that in either the Kelly Johnson's book or maybe it was Bob Hoover's book. Either way you'd need "something special", which I'm sure the govt provided.
I can’t believe Salt Lake kept Martin Pauly on the ground for almost 50 min.
Looks like ground screwed up the sequence and made it the little guy's problem. Oh well. I know Departure was expecting a certain order. Not sure the legalities of departing VFR after already receiving your IFR clearance, but I can see it basically kicking the can down the road and having somebody else deal with ground and tower's problem.
Oh my gosh. Terrible delaying.
It sure was long - maybe the longest I have ever waited on the ground.
- Martin
Martin you were far too accommodating to those clowns in Salt Lake. Total incompetence in the tower. You needed a number to call to get them removed from the tower.
I wouldn't go that far. To me, it looked like a little lack of efficiency, not lack of competence. Certainly it's not my place to have anyone removed from their jobs there.
- Martin
@@martinpauly I'll concede they didn't deserve to be removed but as you said in the video the field wasn't that busy. Not being aware of your position on the taxiway and the location of the other aircraft that they themselves had directed to move is incompetence in my book. The controller was aware you were at the hold short line and then forgot you existed? I would at least have had the tapes pulled and reviewed for training purposes.
YT commenters love a good ATC-outrage, but seriously, if we all were recorded all day, every day at work, and anyone could grab our worst 10 minutes and publish it on the internet - how perfect would we look?
@ca_pilot Very true!
Folks, it is a HARD FACT most towers are short staffed. Removing a qualified controller for a (relatively minor) delay is Not Going To Happen. Many smaller Class D airports are running reduced tower hours due to staffing.
They don't make it easy flying out of Salt Lake!
Certainly not on that day. I assume the construction they had going on (center runway was closed) had a lot to do with it.
- Martin