I LOVED this conversation! I agree with every POV at the table! But, the my favorite was - Whoopi Goldberg: "I'm sorry 50 years ago was not a place I ever want to be back"
There wasn't less of these things actually, just less coverage and awareness of it. This coupled with structural segregation sheltered "traditional" families (i.e. white religious heterosexual 2-parent) from having to see and acknowledge other types of people and any societal problems. And yes, 2-parent homes were more common - because it's generally hard for women to leave abusive/neglectful husbands & households when you legally can't work, hold a credit card, or own property. The main (& ironic) thing people don't seem to understand about this argument is that the children who were growing up 60 years ago and being raised in this "moral society" you speak of are now 65-80 years old, which means they and their values & morals shaped society and culture from maybe the mid/late-70s until now where they are at the tail end of cultural and political influence. All that to say, based on your argument and others like it, perhaps it is actually these same people who are the ones responsible for the changes in society? That maybe society 60 years ago is the type of energy we should actually avoid, not replicate? These are just rhetorical questions for you to hopefully think about from time to time, not ones where I'm trying to fight or shame you. Sometimes we just don't know what we don't know. @marytenn378
Sara is so great - completely undervalued on the show. “Feminism means having choices.” YES. Why people are always having to generalize and polarize is beyond me. WHO CARES what other people do. Do what’s right for you and your family and leave everyone else alone.
5 years stay at home Dad of 3 here, with a wife who is an amazing Doctor that never wanted to be a stay at home wife. My Mom ran a daycare, so I've been taking care of kids since I was 12. I'm also a chef and nutritionists, so I was the perfect fit for child raising. Things are changing
I am a stay-at-home mother too. I also take care of the farm animals too. I do everything. I am up before anyone else and I am the last one to go to bed. I also homeschool my kids too. I also run the garden and can the food. I am everything to my family. The kids help with some of the work but it comes down to me, and I love it. I never really leave my house. There is nothing in this world more satisfying and important to me than my family. I may not be the wealthy person but I am the richest person in the world because I have a family that has my back and I have theirs. I don’t need any but them.
RUBBISH! Stay at Home/Homemakers is non paid job the worst type of work no modern women today would want Men alive has never stepped up to help women like you around the house even when he comes home from work.
in my family happily married both sides with profound respect - we have each others back no matter what we follow the family order of God Man Woman Child it works ❤️💯
The whole trad thing seems to me to be nothing but influencers making money by selling glamorous fibs to people. Everytime I see a one of these trad videos, it is someone all dolled up with no kids doing none of the real house work and are just doing some hobbies that show they have way too much time on their hands. It's setting people up to failure because it's not an accurate depiction of the real thing.
@@TheTonyspikNo. A trophy wife is a women a man marries who is incredibly beautiful so he can show her off to make him look better. A traditional wife isn't eye candy for other men and women and isn't used to make the husband look good. She would dress conservatively and would mainly stay at home. There is a huge difference. You have no idea what you are talking about.
I thought for real, then I started counting, 50 years ago was 1976. Now I need to go and look up what life was like for homemakers (women) then, aside from the terrible crime of negligence in investigations where grape kits are concerned. It’s no wonder SA crimes are blowing back up in people’s face and they’re using the Salem Witch trials as a crutch. Using revelations about the evil, Christian people were doing, violating one of the 10 commandments, by killing women as a veil over their transgressions against humanity. The easiest way to make people believe you seems to be by claiming some kind of relatedness to oppressed people. Woke means you begin to understand one’s intentions by their actions, after a while the pattern reveals the intention. No different than the lynchings that happened to black people, and now people use “cancel culture” as a digital lynching. It’s whack! It’s very clear what evil is, and letting people get away with evil, is problematic. It’s evil that we’re right back to where we left off, since we made major progress with the election of Obama, twice. The quest continues of the ultimate evil, to intentionally want to cause someone pain, knowing that it indeed will be painful. There are a lot of lawmakers who look the other way. Vote no when it should be yes, and yes when it would be no. Welcome to Earth. The land of hypocrisies and contradictions…that can be exciting and also be hurtful. But we can solve our problems, if we were truly ready. Until the next wave of progress, hopefully that’s the next 100 years and beyond, equal or greater than the last ones. 🙏🏾❤️🙏🏾
I get a great sense of "life satisfaction" staying home, homeschooling, keeping house. BUT...when you realize you work your entire life with no savings, retirement, nothing to fall back on, and that your ability to eat, or have a roof over your head is dependent on a fickle man being attracted to you, or being in "love" with you, your whole perspective changes. One influencer said in order to be a trad wife, you already have to be rich, then you can do you w/o worrying about what will happen if that dream falls apart. ALWAYS HAVE YOUR OWN MONEY! As someone who lost everything and was forced to live with an abusive partner, you will regret being about to not leave when you need too. Money is power.
Women have always worked outside the home. Staying at home has always been a privilege. Nurses, maids, factory workers, teachers, etc. why are these women always ignored in these conversations?
...and didn't pay the woman for her work at home. I am so lucky that these times are over because I would never allow a woman to do my things at home. And I also don't fall tor the relationship trap. I am glad to see that other men sacrifice themselves for that.
@@BillBarr4President- leave it to an idiot (in case you couldn’t figure it out, I’m talking about you) not to actually hear what a woman is saying and make assumptions.
My mom was a wife and mom who didn't work outside the home (and we are black (that's for Whoopie) although she was a seamstress and later a babysitter. The wake-up call for me as a young girl that a woman should have her own money (or her own form of making money) was when my parents were arguing and my mom yelled "You are not going to leave me with all these children (4 of us)!!! She depended on him for everything!!! So having your own money means having your own way of making money for yourself so you don't have to rely on anyone. As Joy said, they could die or leave you, then what do you have? BTW, she was an amazing woman and my dad and us kids cherished the ground she walked on.
I thought feminism was about women having choice? Some women want to be domestic. My mother is a very independent ambitious woman. My aunt, her sister, is a very domestic type who would be happy to be a housewife. Both are highly intelligent, very capable women and I love them both and never saw one or the other as "wrong".
Women do have choices now, but you people are still trying to push one choice over another. What Joy said is correct, no matter what women do, men have never stepped up in the home.
@@Lilah1848 What an insult to all the men who take risky and dangerous jobs just to support their families to have women like you who have no idea what men sacrifice for their family tell them they’ve never stepped up.
My poor Mom was a stay at home parent in the day when Women didn't have a lot of choice, because wages were so low. My Dad didn't respect the hard work she done. I hate to see Women lose the rights we have.
@@Checkmate9moves OK, he was an alcoholic, Coal Miner, called his Children names other than their names. He was a good provider, but a HORRIBLE Father.
The important part for me is that women have choices. If a woman wants to stay home and raise her children it’s not a bad thing. If a woman wants a career that’s okay too. As long as they understand what they are doing and why. No one should be wagging their fingers in women’s faces with the judgements. We all are different and need to respect each other’s choices.
Yet if you decide to be a career women, you still have to do the same things but yet have a career in top of it. This is why TradWife has made a comeback.
@@Iamabot2119 Women initiate most divorces because they're not in happy marriages. Most are working and still come home to domestic labour because like Joy said, men haven't ever stepped up in that way. Family life would be so much better if everyone did their part equally. And the courts protect no one but who has the most money and influence.
I love being a traditional wife, this may sound harsh but the modern day woman is just a bootleg version of a man… What’s wrong with caring for your family and doing chores? I’m good with my soft life, being a overly busy and bossy lady… no thanks .. Ladies find yourself through true femininity that’s your strength, not feminism.
Men who know better, do better. A lot of Guys saw their Moms go through a lot by themselves with no help and do things differently. Some are raised that way by women who want the Next Generation of Men to do better, to be able to take care of themselves while Single, and help take care of their Family when they're married.
My daughter was in preschool when my twins were born. My husband took paternity leave so during that time he was always the one who did preschool drop off (while I stayed home with the babies). The teachers praised him and marvelled every day at how good of a dad he is/must be. Then a couple months later when he went back to work, I went back to doing preschool drop off. I’d walk in, on time every morning might I add lol, sleep deprived and covered in breastmilk and baby puke, carrying an infant car seat in each arm, to drop my daughter off. Staff would “ooh” and “awe” over the babies but I NEVER got any praise or compliment for being a good mom 😂 Not that I needed/wanted praise. But it was funny how my husband won Dad of the Year awards every day just for getting his kid to school on time. But when it’s a mom (who, from the outside looking in, clearly had more on her plate than he ever did) - nothing 🤷🏼♀️😅
As soon as you become fully financially dependent on a man, your options and freedom to leave if things go south decrease to almost zero. Never ever put yourself in that position.
Yup while Maude had the luxury of being a stay-at-home feminist, Florida had no choice but to work, even if that meant taking care of another family’s home to feed her own.
Had the pleasure of learning from my grandparents. Every hand on deck. If the other person matters, everything matters. The building of a beautiful relationship. Equality and respect.
Traditional Wives have always been working their Azzez off and SO DO WORKING WOMEN WHO ARE WIVES & MOTHERS. They have to do BOTH. Shout Out to ALL WOMEN wether they Seek a Career or Homemaker.
It is a lot of work and it is a very important work that is needed. A mother should be able to nurture her children and raise them with the support of the father.
My mother was a tradwife. She got dumped on her ear in her mid-50s when my dad ran off with a younger woman, like so many middle-aged men do. My mom had no education beyond high school, no outside-the-home work experience after age 21, didn't know how to drive a car, didn't know how to pay bills or do banking, didn't know about insurance, had no credit or credit history, had to learn how to do home repairs or yard work, and just generally faced a litany of difficulties getting back on her feet again over the next two decades.
Buy she did get back on her feet. Today, women have so many skills and knowledge, and rights. So choosing to stay at home in these times is different. Women are making the deliberate choice to be at home. The only thing is men still cheat and be abusive... but that's really across the board no matter what life a woman chooses. So sad.
@marytenn378 I was there 50 years ago, were you? There was plenty of crime, injustice, racism, antisemitism, homophobia, sexual hypocrisy, poverty, and corruption. It was hidden. All the unpleasantness was swept under the rug. The nightly news “white washed” events, until the war in Vietnam, the civil rights movement, the women’s movement, Gay rights woke people up.
@@TheBrownIsland and have their kids stripped away from them, pay child support for kids they barely get to see and alimony to ex’s for years. No one wins in a divorce but men often get dragged over the coals big time
@@BillBarr4President Oh bull, that's not always true, my dad chose to not see us, he really didn't want to, my mom didn't ask for alimony, but she did ask for maintenance for the kids, because after all, like it or not, he helped bring us into the world, but it was only a pittance anyway.
I am a Hispanic woman and I LOVE staying home. I love cooking and teaching my children. I am so incredibly grateful for my husband but it is a sacrifice to stay home and care for my family. I would pick this "job" over many other jobs.
I was, too, but then pops left and mom was destitute. I still think every person gets to choose what works best for them. I do agree on that, no doubt. @volcrazy89
Dad worked for JPL/NASA. Mom stay home. He died from colon cancer at age 48- she raised 4 pre- teens and a toddler. Later started a childcare and helped to raise scores of parents kids. As an adult, I asked her to be honest- “Mom, if you had to do it all again… would you?” Without hesitating she said. “Absolutely!” True Story.
Your mom is a real woman. I absolutely cannot understand modern day mentality where people act like adults, get themselves into serious commitments, then they decide regret. People need to grow up!
Wait......... What do you mean by "Your mom is a real woman"?? Do you mean to say that career women/wives who are taking care of the home and working to earn money aren't "REAL WOMEN"?? WTF???!! Note this: EVERY WOMAN IS DIFFERENT. EVERY WIFE IS DIFFERENT. What works for one woman would not work for another. Same way what works for one wife doesn't work for another. That means some women prefer the "Trad wife" lifestyle, another prefers to blend the two and others also prefer to be a career woman than a wife. It doesn't mean one is "real and the other(s) is/are not. If you prefer to be a stay home wife, good for you but don't push your preferences on every other woman. EVERY WOMAN IS A REAL WOMAN IN HER OWN WAY.
She had money. That life looks incredibly different in a household with less money. Also she wasn't abused. A lot of women in the traditional role also put up with rape and abuse. Yes it was legal to rape your wife back then.
@@linger4605 You need to grow up too. If you don't understand anything, ask them. What works for you can't work for every woman on Earth. Stop judging them with your prejudices cos EVERY WOMAN IS A REAL WOMAN I THEIR OWN WAY.
@@destinynanaakrong8584 You clearly lack any form of reading comprehension and instead rely on emotions to comprehend and react. Read the last two sentences over and over until you finally understand
People also forget women from the 50's made every single meal from scratch and didn't have small appliances to help them. I watched a woman cooking for a week like the 50's housewife she had planning meals and cooking took all her time and then still had to look after the house and children.
As long as both parties are effectively clear and transparent with their goals, I don’t see any issue with a woman wanting to be a stay at home wife/mom
I'm hearing that being a stay at home parent is sometimes the dad staying home as the mom has a better job and can support the household. Each family should do what they feel is best for them, not what society tells them they should do. If a spouse thinks staying home is any easy job, take off for 3 or 4 days and have them be in charge. They will find out it's not as easy as they think.
It's a great idea to have a stay at home mom (or dad!). We need parents parenting. There's nothing wrong with that! I think it's disturbing that so many people in the U.S. think it's normal for children to grow up being parented by babysitters, nannies and daycare. I'm sorry, and I know I'll get flack for this, but I think it's selfish to have children and then have both parents working full time. A sacrifice has to be made somewhere and it seems that people are increasingly choosing to sacrifice the amount of time and influence they have in their own children's lives. And then we wonder why there are so many screwed up people in society. And if you can't afford children without dual income, perhaps that a society problem and we need to be paying people better. By the way, in my last job, I worked with three men. One did not have children and the other two had previously been stay at home dads. Their kids are doing great.
Corporations and companies don't want to pay their employees enough to have that kind of life here in America , but yet some people want people to have more children...that they can't afford...Vicious cycle.
It's 2024 you can work from home or part time, just make sure as a adult you have your own money even if it's a small amount. No grown as adults should be 100 dependent on another adult unless they can't work for health reasons
It's so much easier to just not have kids, then things are equal between the couple and someone else isn't raising the kids, everyone is much happier, it's a win win 😉
Why is whoopi acting like Joy isn't over a decade older than her? whenever joy brings up her age/experience I've noticed whoopi always tries to include herself.
Whoopi has done this for years. And I hate when she does it. Joy is 13 years older than you, stop it. How the heck do you vividly remember this subject matter when you turned 4 years old @ the end of 1959. The only reason I can think why she does this is to make herself seem older and wiser.
My mom was a stay at home mom. She loved it. Half the day spent taking care of the house and family, the rest of the day socializing with her other mom friends while we were at school. Not everyone wants the same things, ladies.
I'm with the tradwives. My wife and I have lived this way for 16 years now (13 with a son) and we're both very glad we did. And we are also far from rich, so don't believe the lie that you *have* to have two incomes to get by. It just depends on how responsible you are with your money, where you live, if the husband is willing to work full-time, if the wife is willing to cook more, etc.
Mine has, I make more money than he did and my job came with health insurance so when we did the math and found that if he worked all his income would go right to childcare it was better for him to take a few yrs off to stay home with the kids. He cleans and I cook. We don't do extra stuff and we live on a budget. It works for us.
I think that is a myth and it undermines the many great guys out there that do step up. Sure, many trash men out there but you can say the same for women. So I don't think it's productive to generalize so much on this issue.
Being a SAHM is the hardest job ever. And it’s unpaid labor. Women often have to work because bill collectors don’t accept kisses and hugs from babies as a form of payment, but that’s all SAHMs are paid in.
It’s not the hardest job ever. If it was, wouldn’t people in charge of day cares have a harder job than you? It’s not unpaid labor. You want to be compensated for taking care of your own child??? What is so hard about your life exactly? There are people with actual problems. Taking care of your own child and staying in your house half the day isn’t a real one.
Women: Always get educated, have a job and have your own money. Never, ever have a joint bank account with a man. Best advice I ever got... (I learned the hard way when I was young).
Most people want to have children. Given the fact that only women can get pregnant, and already need to leave the workforce because of it, it's sometimes easier to them to assume the role of a stay at home mother while the husband continues working full time. After the kid/kids are born they still need to be taken care of. Daycare is expensive and it's hard to trust strangers with you tiny children.
I was a stay at home mom. Everyone judged me. I picked up their kids and drove their kids around to sports events and school. Then they'd say they don't all....um no. I took care of their kids🙄. For free even. Theyd say their sitters had a job but because I chose to raise own kids I didn't have a life. I never judged them for working but all's I got was judgement from them
My mom was a stay at home mom. I remember the struggle. I am not. In my household, my hubby and I need to work. I always have my own money, and good mental health.
0:58 Well, it’s not really a Gen Z thing. Tradwives have technically been around for while, ever since right-wing and conservative politics have been on the Internet. It’s just that now, we have a name for it. Now, whether Gen Z came up with the name “Tradwife” or not, I really don’t know. I recall Millennial commentators using that term way before Gen Z came of age, and started making their voices heard.
Yes and when there’s an oil spill anywhere, gas prices rise immediately but it’s takes years, if ever, to go back to reasonable prices. Once these corporations know they can get your $ without consequences, it’s game over for consumers. #VoteBlue
Think everyone needs to stop putting down what role others wanna take. If u have the luxury to choose work if u wanna work. Stay at home if u wanma stay st home. Either way if u choose to have kids make sure you have time for them. (I jnow some have to work and it wasnt part kf the plan...but you do what u can) support each other. Dont rip each other down to make yourselves feel better.
If a child has a choice between a mother that was in the home or worked full time outside the home, they’d chose a stay at home mom every time. I know I would and my kids would. Facts.
This argument is very subjective. I loved staying home to raise my child and only went back to work because we needed the money. If a woman wants to stay home, work, do both that's her choice. I'm sorry but I don't listen to most Baby Boomers like Whoopi and Joy. They are extremely feminist to the point they think being a nurturer = misery
Please stop bashing men and over generalizing. Both men and women have different roles in life and it is unfair to judge one over another's role. There are things that women are better at than men and vice versa. Not all men haven't "stepped up".
@@Steve-z5e4c statistically it’s not shared. And it’s still labor regardless. Being a personal chef, a child care provider, a nurse, a secretary, a personal assistant, teacher, etc are all paid professions with a singular occupation. Being a traditional wife does all of these things and then some and goes unpaid and often under appreciated. It’s a labor and hard work.
@@Steve-z5e4c the crazy thing is our government pays those who have disabled children or relatives to take care of them even though it’s their kids... because nursing care is labor regardless if it’s your child or not. It’s not easy.
I admire the women on this panel, though I do have a special appreciation for one in particular. However, I believe they are overlooking a crucial point. Feminism is not the only factor at play here. As a gay man, my husband and I have both achieved successful careers. While he focused on his professional goals, I supported him by working from home and tending to the household and his needs. We have both worked hard and now, in retirement, we have no complaints about our lives. Our relationship is built on mutual respect and compromise. After over 30 years together, we have learned the importance of both partners contributing and making sacrifices in a partnership. In our case, no one person holds more power or importance than the other. We are equals.
Always have your own money women! Always be able to take care of yourselves. Anything could happen and you'd be stuck in a horrible position because you trusted someone else to make sure you're ok. Unless you're rich it's not a good idea.
Its a misandrist show, the women that watch this show listened to music artist like Beyoncé which told them to be strong and independent (which after being cheated on she still stayed with the same guy) and they watch shows like handmaids tale all of which tells them be strong and independent. Modern Feminism has ruined dating for any guy, Feminist will bash men to feel empowered and they will bash other women to make themselves feel better. They have got into Hollywood, Disney, Gaming Industry, and just got Funds to target things on TH-cam.
I remember the late '50's and the 60's. I remember the first time I heard someone say their family was "one heartbeat away from welfare". That's where you are when only one person in the house has job skills or training - or society's permission to work. Even a good man can die or become ill. Why was this ever even a conversation?
the sanctity of marriage given it’s true love meaning - you stay together no matter what - you have each others back no matter what you put your money together - joint accounts - joint signatory it works if it’s true love
Come on Joy, don’t dog on men like that. My wife and I at the time were lucky enough to have my income be enough so she could stay home and raise our son until he was six before going back to work. And I came home every day beat tired and helped with laundry, cooking and chores so that she could spend more time developing our son rather than being a house slave. There are lots of men out there pulling their weight.
Seriously? How can they be so bias on men like that? Im sure there is plenty of men being the nurterer of the family. This os what i dont get from woman, you want men to do things to be equal, bit once they do it, they are labeled as weak, feminine, soft. Like what?
And this is why we'll have fewer serious relationships, more hookups, fewer serious marriages and less kids to sustain an economy. Most of you will shrug this off with arrogance, but the numbers show you'll pay the price regardless.
Then there’s the working women who have to work outside the home and do the same amount of work as the stay at home mom after work. Women get no break, there is absolutely a disproportionate amount of labor on women compared to men.
So the men in their lives just come home and sit on the couch and watch TV or play video games? They do not do car & house maintenance, mow the lawn and whatever dirty job outside that needs to be done. I bet most men do just as much as women do when they get home.
I get it. Have your own money to fall back on. Sahm are working very hard and some. I think to choose a sahm life during this time with so many rights that women have today is to their advantage. The only downfall is what can happen to the man. So be it. Let it happen...the ball will roll in your court. Just be smart, and whatever money he gives you, put some aside. I see a lot of women who choose sahm have had careers or jobs, and when they started having children, they chose to be at home.
Sorry Joy, you're wrong. Both my wife and I work and while we both do our own laundry I do a lot of the cooking, taking out the garbage, bringing in the garbage pails, cleaning the bathrooms including the toilets, doing the dishes, and scheduling maintenance/repair appointments. We both work together with the vacuuming and food shopping and pitching in to help out my elderly parents. Stop generalizing and putting out exaggerated narratives.
I’ll have multiple houses but sunny is free to do whatever she wants. If she is uncomfortable then it’s up to me to see to it that the pressure cease to exist .
Believe in allowing people to do what they want to do. But at the same token these women should be aware that they may be creating a prison for themselves if the marriage doesn't work out and they have no means to get out of the marriage or what to do if left alone. These situations are very real and happen. You may think that it won't happen to you but you have no idea what will happen years down the road. Just be prepared and have your own career and money is all I'm saying.
I remember George Clooney once saying that neither he nor Amal his wife understood their twins because the twins spoke Italian. Which means they were being raised by Italian nannies, not by the Clooney parents.
It's a personal choice for every couple (sometimes not even a choice but what they have to do). What works for one couple might not work for another. My mom was a stay at home wife/mother and yes it was a lot for her but she also wouldn't have had it any other way. She understood since my dad was bringing home the check that she would be the one to take care of most of the household duties. And I'm so thankful that she was able to be there full time for us when we were young.
Some reddit users have pointed out at some tradwife influencers seem more focussed on selling their lifestyles as a fetish. Taking care of their husbands and making a point of using words like "submit," and being "available for his needs." Ever since then they creep me out.
‘Feminism means having a choice’. This is way too simplistic. I have a child with special needs (highly intense care!). I loved (!) my job outside the house; it gave me purpose and meaning. I tried to combine the two jobs but I got burned out from the intensive care within our house. I had to choose between my job outside (which gave me positive energy) and my ‘job’ at home. Obviously my child comes first because he fully depends on me. Yes, it was a choice, but not the choice that I truly wanted for myself.
Joy's so old fashioned and thinks men are the same as they were in the fifties. Many men, not saying all, have stepped up and do a lot to help around the house. Not all men are Joy's father. I myself am a single dad I have no woman to rely on. And Guess what, everything still gets done.
I LOVED this conversation! I agree with every POV at the table! But, the my favorite was - Whoopi Goldberg: "I'm sorry 50 years ago was not a place I ever want to be back"
@marytenn378Same 60 years ago was the Civil Rights era, so yeah, I can see why people who lived through that era do not want to go back to it.
There wasn't less of these things actually, just less coverage and awareness of it. This coupled with structural segregation sheltered "traditional" families (i.e. white religious heterosexual 2-parent) from having to see and acknowledge other types of people and any societal problems. And yes, 2-parent homes were more common - because it's generally hard for women to leave abusive/neglectful husbands & households when you legally can't work, hold a credit card, or own property. The main (& ironic) thing people don't seem to understand about this argument is that the children who were growing up 60 years ago and being raised in this "moral society" you speak of are now 65-80 years old, which means they and their values & morals shaped society and culture from maybe the mid/late-70s until now where they are at the tail end of cultural and political influence. All that to say, based on your argument and others like it, perhaps it is actually these same people who are the ones responsible for the changes in society? That maybe society 60 years ago is the type of energy we should actually avoid, not replicate? These are just rhetorical questions for you to hopefully think about from time to time, not ones where I'm trying to fight or shame you. Sometimes we just don't know what we don't know. @marytenn378
@marytenn378What an incredibly brilliant, evidence-oriented and fact-based comeback.
Sara is so great - completely undervalued on the show. “Feminism means having choices.” YES. Why people are always having to generalize and polarize is beyond me. WHO CARES what other people do. Do what’s right for you and your family and leave everyone else alone.
5 years stay at home Dad of 3 here, with a wife who is an amazing Doctor that never wanted to be a stay at home wife. My Mom ran a daycare, so I've been taking care of kids since I was 12. I'm also a chef and nutritionists, so I was the perfect fit for child raising. Things are changing
I loved being a stay at home wife/mother. It's a lot of work, but totally worth it!!!
Not in my world 😒
I am a stay-at-home mother too. I also take care of the farm animals too. I do everything. I am up before anyone else and I am the last one to go to bed. I also homeschool my kids too. I also run the garden and can the food. I am everything to my family. The kids help with some of the work but it comes down to me, and I love it. I never really leave my house. There is nothing in this world more satisfying and important to me than my family. I may not be the wealthy person but I am the richest person in the world because I have a family that has my back and I have theirs. I don’t need any but them.
RUBBISH! Stay at Home/Homemakers is non paid job the worst type of work no modern women today would want Men alive has never stepped up to help women like you around the house even when he comes home from work.
in my family happily married both sides with profound respect - we have each others back no matter what
we follow the family order of
God Man Woman Child
it works ❤️💯
Us men appreciate you and love you for it. The most important job in the world
Why must we always label everything? Do what you want in your relationship, and leave everyone else alone.
The whole trad thing seems to me to be nothing but influencers making money by selling glamorous fibs to people. Everytime I see a one of these trad videos, it is someone all dolled up with no kids doing none of the real house work and are just doing some hobbies that show they have way too much time on their hands. It's setting people up to failure because it's not an accurate depiction of the real thing.
Facts!
Leave this paragraph intact, just change “trad” to “LGBT” and see how bitter you sound about someone else’s lifestyle.
To me it's called a trophy wife. Idk why they're changing the word
That's because you live online and see the world as that instead of speaking to women who actually want or have that lifestyle.
@@TheTonyspikNo. A trophy wife is a women a man marries who is incredibly beautiful so he can show her off to make him look better. A traditional wife isn't eye candy for other men and women and isn't used to make the husband look good. She would dress conservatively and would mainly stay at home. There is a huge difference. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Whoopi Goldberg: "I'm sorry 50 years ago was not a place I ever want to be back" 💯
@marytenn378 black business always getting destroyed by racist white folks.
Kids with fathers
@marytenn378those are facts!!! Look what happened now!! The majority with broken homes and multiple baby daddies
I thought for real, then I started counting, 50 years ago was 1976. Now I need to go and look up what life was like for homemakers (women) then, aside from the terrible crime of negligence in investigations where grape kits are concerned. It’s no wonder SA crimes are blowing back up in people’s face and they’re using the Salem Witch trials as a crutch. Using revelations about the evil, Christian people were doing, violating one of the 10 commandments, by killing women as a veil over their transgressions against humanity. The easiest way to make people believe you seems to be by claiming some kind of relatedness to oppressed people. Woke means you begin to understand one’s intentions by their actions, after a while the pattern reveals the intention. No different than the lynchings that happened to black people, and now people use “cancel culture” as a digital lynching. It’s whack!
It’s very clear what evil is, and letting people get away with evil, is problematic.
It’s evil that we’re right back to where we left off, since we made major progress with the election of Obama, twice. The quest continues of the ultimate evil, to intentionally want to cause someone pain, knowing that it indeed will be painful.
There are a lot of lawmakers who look the other way. Vote no when it should be yes, and yes when it would be no.
Welcome to Earth. The land of hypocrisies and contradictions…that can be exciting and also be hurtful.
But we can solve our problems, if we were truly ready. Until the next wave of progress, hopefully that’s the next 100 years and beyond, equal or greater than the last ones. 🙏🏾❤️🙏🏾
1974? The black community was thriving and most families had 2 parents
I get a great sense of "life satisfaction" staying home, homeschooling, keeping house. BUT...when you realize you work your entire life with no savings, retirement, nothing to fall back on, and that your ability to eat, or have a roof over your head is dependent on a fickle man being attracted to you, or being in "love" with you, your whole perspective changes. One influencer said in order to be a trad wife, you already have to be rich, then you can do you w/o worrying about what will happen if that dream falls apart. ALWAYS HAVE YOUR OWN MONEY! As someone who lost everything and was forced to live with an abusive partner, you will regret being about to not leave when you need too. Money is power.
Women have always worked outside the home. Staying at home has always been a privilege. Nurses, maids, factory workers, teachers, etc. why are these women always ignored in these conversations?
I grew up in the 50s and 60s when a man could raise a family on 1 paycheck. That reality , no longer exists!
It's archaic go work have your own money 💰 ladies.
Yeah, then Raegan happened!
This doesn't happen when one person is employed doing two or more different jobs getting different pay checks.
...and we could define what a woman is
...and didn't pay the woman for her work at home. I am so lucky that these times are over because I would never allow a woman to do my things at home. And I also don't fall tor the relationship trap. I am glad to see that other men sacrifice themselves for that.
Always have your own money ladies
What’s yours is yours, what’s theirs is yours. Spoken like a true toxic woman.
@@BillBarr4President I hear therapy helps. Try it ASAP!
@@BillBarr4President You think women should stay at home, sacrifice their time and energy and have nothing to show for it? No security? YOU WISH
@@BillBarr4President- leave it to an idiot (in case you couldn’t figure it out, I’m talking about you) not to actually hear what a woman is saying and make assumptions.
Yes, don't rely on anyone financially. Secure your marriage rights.
My mom was a wife and mom who didn't work outside the home (and we are black (that's for Whoopie) although she was a seamstress and later a babysitter. The wake-up call for me as a young girl that a woman should have her own money (or her own form of making money) was when my parents were arguing and my mom yelled "You are not going to leave me with all these children (4 of us)!!! She depended on him for everything!!! So having your own money means having your own way of making money for yourself so you don't have to rely on anyone. As Joy said, they could die or leave you, then what do you have? BTW, she was an amazing woman and my dad and us kids cherished the ground she walked on.
I thought feminism was about women having choice? Some women want to be domestic. My mother is a very independent ambitious woman. My aunt, her sister, is a very domestic type who would be happy to be a housewife. Both are highly intelligent, very capable women and I love them both and never saw one or the other as "wrong".
It used to be. Now it’s about crazy feminists telling other women what they can and can’t do.
Women do have choices now, but you people are still trying to push one choice over another. What Joy said is correct, no matter what women do, men have never stepped up in the home.
Im a man and i want to stay at home too
@@Lilah1848 What an insult to all the men who take risky and dangerous jobs just to support their families to have women like you who have no idea what men sacrifice for their family tell them they’ve never stepped up.
lol says the man
My poor Mom was a stay at home parent in the day when Women didn't have a lot of choice, because wages were so low. My Dad didn't respect the hard work she done. I hate to see Women lose the rights we have.
Did she respect the hard work he did?
Way to give one side of the story. Lets hear the fathers side
@@Checkmate9moves OK, he was an alcoholic, Coal Miner, called his Children names other than their names. He was a good provider, but a HORRIBLE Father.
And that is happening through ignorance.
Men never had much choice either ....
Staying at home as a mom is a lot of hard “UNPAID” work
No one is forcing you to be one
The important part for me is that women have choices. If a woman wants to stay home and raise her children it’s not a bad thing. If a woman wants a career that’s okay too. As long as they understand what they are doing and why. No one should be wagging their fingers in women’s faces with the judgements. We all are different and need to respect each other’s choices.
The hardest job I’ve ever done, but the most rewarding in the long run
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Such hard work 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yet if you decide to be a career women, you still have to do the same things but yet have a career in top of it. This is why TradWife has made a comeback.
Id like to be a stay at home wife but a good friend of mine was after 30 years her husband divorced her & now she’s working at 77
That's why it's a bad idea. Men will sell you down the river.
She’s just dumb for not having security in place
Yup!
@@Lilah1848and if they do the courts are there to protect you… and seeing as women initiate most divorces this is some fallacy
@@Iamabot2119 Women initiate most divorces because they're not in happy marriages. Most are working and still come home to domestic labour because like Joy said, men haven't ever stepped up in that way. Family life would be so much better if everyone did their part equally. And the courts protect no one but who has the most money and influence.
I love being a traditional wife, this may sound harsh but the modern day woman is just a bootleg version of a man… What’s wrong with caring for your family and doing chores? I’m good with my soft life, being a overly busy and bossy lady… no thanks .. Ladies find yourself through true femininity that’s your strength, not feminism.
My son's daycare provider is SHOCKED by my husband being more involved in child care than I am some weeks. 😂.
They’re probably shocked how little you care and are proud of it.
@@BillBarr4President 👀😬
Men who know better, do better. A lot of Guys saw their Moms go through a lot by themselves with no help and do things differently. Some are raised that way by women who want the Next Generation of Men to do better, to be able to take care of themselves while Single, and help take care of their Family when they're married.
My daughter was in preschool when my twins were born. My husband took paternity leave so during that time he was always the one who did preschool drop off (while I stayed home with the babies). The teachers praised him and marvelled every day at how good of a dad he is/must be. Then a couple months later when he went back to work, I went back to doing preschool drop off. I’d walk in, on time every morning might I add lol, sleep deprived and covered in breastmilk and baby puke, carrying an infant car seat in each arm, to drop my daughter off. Staff would “ooh” and “awe” over the babies but I NEVER got any praise or compliment for being a good mom 😂 Not that I needed/wanted praise. But it was funny how my husband won Dad of the Year awards every day just for getting his kid to school on time. But when it’s a mom (who, from the outside looking in, clearly had more on her plate than he ever did) - nothing 🤷🏼♀️😅
That's because men have not taken on much housework and child care despite the ever-increasing number of women who have to work.
As soon as you become fully financially dependent on a man, your options and freedom to leave if things go south decrease to almost zero. Never ever put yourself in that position.
I Loved seeing Sara Haines allowing Alyssa Farah Griffin to get into the conversation
So frustrating trying to hear what everyone is saying when they constantly interrupt one another.
Exactly Whoopi!!! Black women have always worked outside the home. It was illegal in some places for us to be a read wife
THIS is important
That's horrible.
Yup while Maude had the luxury of being a stay-at-home feminist, Florida had no choice but to work, even if that meant taking care of another family’s home to feed her own.
Learn your history
You really need to learn your history. It wasn't only black women.
Had the pleasure of learning from my grandparents. Every hand on deck. If the other person matters, everything matters. The building of a beautiful relationship. Equality and respect.
My mom was home with 5 kids. It was absolutely difficult. Real ‘tradwives’ we’re working their asses off…
Traditional Wives have always been working their Azzez off and SO DO WORKING WOMEN WHO ARE WIVES & MOTHERS. They have to do BOTH. Shout Out to ALL WOMEN wether they Seek a Career or Homemaker.
It is a lot of work and it is a very important work that is needed. A mother should be able to nurture her children and raise them with the support of the father.
Being a stay at home mom and wife is a full time job. Let's keep it respectful.
No it’s not. Than I gave 2 jobs
Rubbish, all the stay at home moms I know have plenty of time. Working takes up A LOT of time.
@@cindyt8278 Exactly, you have 2 jobs, but only getting paid for one 😒
@@idotgotitme3280 youre saying you should be paid for the kids that YOU DECIDED to have??
@@SupportTheArts-yo8ox No, that's not what I'm saying, just stating facts, and who said that I decided to have kids?
My mother was a tradwife. She got dumped on her ear in her mid-50s when my dad ran off with a younger woman, like so many middle-aged men do. My mom had no education beyond high school, no outside-the-home work experience after age 21, didn't know how to drive a car, didn't know how to pay bills or do banking, didn't know about insurance, had no credit or credit history, had to learn how to do home repairs or yard work, and just generally faced a litany of difficulties getting back on her feet again over the next two decades.
Buy she did get back on her feet. Today, women have so many skills and knowledge, and rights. So choosing to stay at home in these times is different. Women are making the deliberate choice to be at home. The only thing is men still cheat and be abusive... but that's really across the board no matter what life a woman chooses. So sad.
Whoopi called it. “50 years ago is not what I want to go back to.” Amen, Sista, Amen!!!!!
Research has shown that women are less happy now. Go figure.
@marytenn378 I was there 50 years ago, were you? There was plenty of crime, injustice, racism, antisemitism, homophobia, sexual hypocrisy, poverty, and corruption. It was hidden. All the unpleasantness was swept under the rug. The nightly news “white washed” events, until the war in Vietnam, the civil rights movement, the women’s movement, Gay rights woke people up.
Alyssa Farah Griffin made some good points. Women and men always have your own money.
💯
Like men have their own money…lol. They sign their finances away the day they get married.
@@BillBarr4President Men have Money and make Money after Divorce and remarry.
@@TheBrownIsland and have their kids stripped away from them, pay child support for kids they barely get to see and alimony to ex’s for years. No one wins in a divorce but men often get dragged over the coals big time
@@BillBarr4President Oh bull, that's not always true, my dad chose to not see us, he really didn't want to, my mom didn't ask for alimony, but she did ask for maintenance for the kids, because after all, like it or not, he helped bring us into the world, but it was only a pittance anyway.
I am a Hispanic woman and I LOVE staying home. I love cooking and teaching my children. I am so incredibly grateful for my husband but it is a sacrifice to stay home and care for my family. I would pick this "job" over many other jobs.
Who tf cares
What if he leaves? What are you going to do?
@@ShaSha-eu5hp Ain't got no skills, no resume, he probably handles the money, red flags all over.
I think if your family is financially stable there's nothing wrong with it at all. I was raised by a SAHM.
I was, too, but then pops left and mom was destitute. I still think every person gets to choose what works best for them. I do agree on that, no doubt. @volcrazy89
Dad worked for JPL/NASA. Mom stay home. He died from colon cancer at age 48- she raised 4 pre- teens and a toddler. Later started a childcare and helped to raise scores of parents kids. As an adult, I asked her to be honest- “Mom, if you had to do it all again… would you?” Without hesitating she said. “Absolutely!” True Story.
Your mom is a real woman. I absolutely cannot understand modern day mentality where people act like adults, get themselves into serious commitments, then they decide regret. People need to grow up!
Wait.........
What do you mean by "Your mom is a real woman"??
Do you mean to say that career women/wives who are taking care of the home and working to earn money aren't "REAL WOMEN"??
WTF???!!
Note this:
EVERY WOMAN IS DIFFERENT. EVERY WIFE IS DIFFERENT. What works for one woman would not work for another. Same way what works for one wife doesn't work for another.
That means some women prefer the "Trad wife" lifestyle, another prefers to blend the two and others also prefer to be a career woman than a wife. It doesn't mean one is "real and the other(s) is/are not.
If you prefer to be a stay home wife, good for you but don't push your preferences on every other woman.
EVERY WOMAN IS A REAL WOMAN IN HER OWN WAY.
She had money. That life looks incredibly different in a household with less money. Also she wasn't abused. A lot of women in the traditional role also put up with rape and abuse. Yes it was legal to rape your wife back then.
@@linger4605
You need to grow up too.
If you don't understand anything, ask them.
What works for you can't work for every woman on Earth.
Stop judging them with your prejudices cos EVERY WOMAN IS A REAL WOMAN I THEIR OWN WAY.
@@destinynanaakrong8584 You clearly lack any form of reading comprehension and instead rely on emotions to comprehend and react. Read the last two sentences over and over until you finally understand
One member of the family working in this economy, yeah right.
I mean I do it. But yeah. It can be tough.
Don’t get married. Stay single and scuff along through life like other people
I was a stay at home mom with my last one and I love her but I have to be working but I almost went crazy.
Btw, 1950s was 70 (seventy) years ago...🤯🤯🤯
She referenced 1970.
People also forget women from the 50's made every single meal from scratch and didn't have small appliances to help them. I watched a woman cooking for a week like the 50's housewife she had planning meals and cooking took all her time and then still had to look after the house and children.
You don't need to make food from scratch, you can create your own dynamic that suits you and your partner.
Yeah and food was way more healthy and had more nutrients because of that
That’s a lie. In the 50’s there were small appliances and there were even frozen and ready made meals.
As long as both parties are effectively clear and transparent with their goals, I don’t see any issue with a woman wanting to be a stay at home wife/mom
I'm hearing that being a stay at home parent is sometimes the dad staying home as the mom has a better job and can support the household. Each family should do what they feel is best for them, not what society tells them they should do. If a spouse thinks staying home is any easy job, take off for 3 or 4 days and have them be in charge. They will find out it's not as easy as they think.
It's a great idea to have a stay at home mom (or dad!). We need parents parenting. There's nothing wrong with that! I think it's disturbing that so many people in the U.S. think it's normal for children to grow up being parented by babysitters, nannies and daycare. I'm sorry, and I know I'll get flack for this, but I think it's selfish to have children and then have both parents working full time. A sacrifice has to be made somewhere and it seems that people are increasingly choosing to sacrifice the amount of time and influence they have in their own children's lives. And then we wonder why there are so many screwed up people in society. And if you can't afford children without dual income, perhaps that a society problem and we need to be paying people better. By the way, in my last job, I worked with three men. One did not have children and the other two had previously been stay at home dads. Their kids are doing great.
Corporations and companies don't want to pay their employees enough to have that kind of life here in America , but yet some people want people to have more children...that they can't afford...Vicious cycle.
It's 2024 you can work from home or part time, just make sure as a adult you have your own money even if it's a small amount. No grown as adults should be 100 dependent on another adult unless they can't work for health reasons
@@mustafaa965
And feminism is brainwashing women that anything else but working and be single is opressive or slavery
It's so much easier to just not have kids, then things are equal between the couple and someone else isn't raising the kids, everyone is much happier, it's a win win 😉
Amen
Why is whoopi acting like Joy isn't over a decade older than her? whenever joy brings up her age/experience I've noticed whoopi always tries to include herself.
Whoopi has done this for years. And I hate when she does it. Joy is 13 years older than you, stop it. How the heck do you vividly remember this subject matter when you turned 4 years old @ the end of 1959. The only reason I can think why she does this is to make herself seem older and wiser.
My mom was a stay at home mom. She loved it. Half the day spent taking care of the house and family, the rest of the day socializing with her other mom friends while we were at school. Not everyone wants the same things, ladies.
They forgot to mention the racist aspect of tradwives.
Joy on fire and on point🔥🔥
I like what Alyssa said better
Joy is not very clever, always goes for the low hanging fruit.
Men have improved. Do have to call Joy out on that.
I worked 2 jobs for 37 years a full time and a part-time so My Wife only needed to work part-time never needed daycare for our 2 children.
Wrong. Didn’t you hear Joy? You were enjoying martinis and being bad man.
@@Ray03595 Joy must be projecting.
I agree with Whoopi, 50 years ago is a place I don't ever want to go back to.
Alyssa is just too intelligent for these women, except Sara who is at her level
2 cans of tuna with 1 onion and celery cost almost $60 please prove me wrong. Joe needs to speak about this
"I watch a TV show and them women were not happy" every study done of happiness of women has cited that women are less happy now.
I love how they were all repsectful and pretty much on the same page. Choice and preparedness. Thats it, thats all.
I'm with the tradwives. My wife and I have lived this way for 16 years now (13 with a son) and we're both very glad we did. And we are also far from rich, so don't believe the lie that you *have* to have two incomes to get by. It just depends on how responsible you are with your money, where you live, if the husband is willing to work full-time, if the wife is willing to cook more, etc.
I agree with Joy, many men have not step up yet!
You must be single
Mine has, I make more money than he did and my job came with health insurance so when we did the math and found that if he worked all his income would go right to childcare it was better for him to take a few yrs off to stay home with the kids. He cleans and I cook. We don't do extra stuff and we live on a budget. It works for us.
BS... You're just picking the wrong men.
Khodam101, I don't think Joy is correct. All of the families I know the men have stepped up and help with everything.
I think that is a myth and it undermines the many great guys out there that do step up. Sure, many trash men out there but you can say the same for women. So I don't think it's productive to generalize so much on this issue.
This panel is the best it has been in YEARS
I bet Sunny’s upset with herself for not bringing up the black perspective during the 50’s herself 😂😂😂
Being a SAHM is the hardest job ever. And it’s unpaid labor. Women often have to work because bill collectors don’t accept kisses and hugs from babies as a form of payment, but that’s all SAHMs are paid in.
Thats BS. Housing, transportation, food all cost money.
It’s not the hardest job ever. If it was, wouldn’t people in charge of day cares have a harder job than you? It’s not unpaid labor. You want to be compensated for taking care of your own child??? What is so hard about your life exactly? There are people with actual problems. Taking care of your own child and staying in your house half the day isn’t a real one.
Women: Always get educated, have a job and have your own money. Never, ever have a joint bank account with a man. Best advice I ever got... (I learned the hard way when I was young).
Most people want to have children. Given the fact that only women can get pregnant, and already need to leave the workforce because of it, it's sometimes easier to them to assume the role of a stay at home mother while the husband continues working full time. After the kid/kids are born they still need to be taken care of. Daycare is expensive and it's hard to trust strangers with you tiny children.
allways have your own
I was a stay at home mom. Everyone judged me. I picked up their kids and drove their kids around to sports events and school. Then they'd say they don't all....um no. I took care of their kids🙄. For free even. Theyd say their sitters had a job but because I chose to raise own kids I didn't have a life. I never judged them for working but all's I got was judgement from them
My mom was a stay at home mom. I remember the struggle. I am not. In my household, my hubby and I need to work. I always have my own money, and good mental health.
0:58 Well, it’s not really a Gen Z thing. Tradwives have technically been around for while, ever since right-wing and conservative politics have been on the Internet. It’s just that now, we have a name for it. Now, whether Gen Z came up with the name “Tradwife” or not, I really don’t know. I recall Millennial commentators using that term way before Gen Z came of age, and started making their voices heard.
Sunny is 100% correct... These Corporates continue to gouge these prices! However the Shipping Lines raise their oceanfreight rates too
Yes and when there’s an oil spill anywhere, gas prices rise immediately but it’s takes years, if ever, to go back to reasonable prices. Once these corporations know they can get your $ without consequences, it’s game over for consumers. #VoteBlue
Hey Whoopi 50 years ago was 1974, not the 50s. I get the point you’re trying to make but things were a bit different in the 70s than the 50s!
In 1970 a married woman could not get a credit card in her own name. A married woman could not get a tabulation with the husband's consent.
Think everyone needs to stop putting down what role others wanna take. If u have the luxury to choose work if u wanna work. Stay at home if u wanma stay st home. Either way if u choose to have kids make sure you have time for them. (I jnow some have to work and it wasnt part kf the plan...but you do what u can) support each other. Dont rip each other down to make yourselves feel better.
Joy you said the complete and total TRUTH...men have not stepped up to do anything...women work and take care of home.
If a child has a choice between a mother that was in the home or worked full time outside the home, they’d chose a stay at home mom every time. I know I would and my kids would. Facts.
Glad things changed. Men and women are working better together. No labels on work needed to be done at home. 😊
Joy Behar not all men are the same
That's true, there's some good ones out there, but I think Joy hasn't seen those men in her world? I'm guessing 🤔
My mom worked and had to do both.
This argument is very subjective. I loved staying home to raise my child and only went back to work because we needed the money. If a woman wants to stay home, work, do both that's her choice. I'm sorry but I don't listen to most Baby Boomers like Whoopi and Joy. They are extremely feminist to the point they think being a nurturer = misery
Please stop bashing men and over generalizing. Both men and women have different roles in life and it is unfair to judge one over another's role. There are things that women are better at than men and vice versa. Not all men haven't "stepped up".
Being a traditional life is not easy.
Why? I am honestly curious.
@@Steve-z5e4c because it’s still unpaid labor
@@Christian80806 Its your child and/or children? that can be shared upon both partners.
@@Steve-z5e4c statistically it’s not shared. And it’s still labor regardless. Being a personal chef, a child care provider, a nurse, a secretary, a personal assistant, teacher, etc are all paid professions with a singular occupation. Being a traditional wife does all of these things and then some and goes unpaid and often under appreciated. It’s a labor and hard work.
@@Steve-z5e4c the crazy thing is our government pays those who have disabled children or relatives to take care of them even though it’s their kids... because nursing care is labor regardless if it’s your child or not. It’s not easy.
What I do with my own body, whether I choose to be a business woman or a household and family manager, should always be a woman's decision.
Being able to stay home is the best way .
Yes, Sarah MOST families need two incomes to stay afloat.
This one was actually good and had a variety of diverse perspectives on the issue.
💯 I'd happily be in the 50s
This is nothing to do with the episode, but Verizon kept posting their ad with skip. It's annoying!😤
I admire the women on this panel, though I do have a special appreciation for one in particular. However, I believe they are overlooking a crucial point. Feminism is not the only factor at play here. As a gay man, my husband and I have both achieved successful careers. While he focused on his professional goals, I supported him by working from home and tending to the household and his needs. We have both worked hard and now, in retirement, we have no complaints about our lives. Our relationship is built on mutual respect and compromise. After over 30 years together, we have learned the importance of both partners contributing and making sacrifices in a partnership. In our case, no one person holds more power or importance than the other. We are equals.
Always have your own money women! Always be able to take care of yourselves. Anything could happen and you'd be stuck in a horrible position because you trusted someone else to make sure you're ok. Unless you're rich it's not a good idea.
A bunch of divorcees telling everyone else how to have successful marriages. Blah
Its a misandrist show, the women that watch this show listened to music artist like Beyoncé which told them to be strong and independent (which after being cheated on she still stayed with the same guy) and they watch shows like handmaids tale all of which tells them be strong and independent. Modern Feminism has ruined dating for any guy, Feminist will bash men to feel empowered and they will bash other women to make themselves feel better. They have got into Hollywood, Disney, Gaming Industry, and just got Funds to target things on TH-cam.
Feminism should be about choosing what path or paths to follow. Many choices are based on economic necessity’s.
I remember the late '50's and the 60's. I remember the first time I heard someone say their family was "one heartbeat away from welfare". That's where you are when only one person in the house has job skills or training - or society's permission to work. Even a good man can die or become ill. Why was this ever even a conversation?
the sanctity of marriage given it’s true love meaning - you stay together no matter what - you have each others back no matter what
you put your money together - joint accounts - joint signatory
it works if it’s true love
Come on Joy, don’t dog on men like that. My wife and I at the time were lucky enough to have my income be enough so she could stay home and raise our son until he was six before going back to work. And I came home every day beat tired and helped with laundry, cooking and chores so that she could spend more time developing our son rather than being a house slave. There are lots of men out there pulling their weight.
Seriously? How can they be so bias on men like that? Im sure there is plenty of men being the nurterer of the family. This os what i dont get from woman, you want men to do things to be equal, bit once they do it, they are labeled as weak, feminine, soft. Like what?
And this is why we'll have fewer serious relationships, more hookups, fewer serious marriages and less kids to sustain an economy. Most of you will shrug this off with arrogance, but the numbers show you'll pay the price regardless.
Then there’s the working women who have to work outside the home and do the same amount of work as the stay at home mom after work. Women get no break, there is absolutely a disproportionate amount of labor on women compared to men.
So the men in their lives just come home and sit on the couch and watch TV or play video games? They do not do car & house maintenance, mow the lawn and whatever dirty job outside that needs to be done. I bet most men do just as much as women do when they get home.
I get it. Have your own money to fall back on. Sahm are working very hard and some. I think to choose a sahm life during this time with so many rights that women have today is to their advantage. The only downfall is what can happen to the man. So be it. Let it happen...the ball will roll in your court. Just be smart, and whatever money he gives you, put some aside. I see a lot of women who choose sahm have had careers or jobs, and when they started having children, they chose to be at home.
Single childfree veteran here. I have my own home and seeing all this. I dont think I ever want to be involved with anyone.
I doubt the majority of men were drinking martinis.
This touched on Sunny's favorite subject.....herself
Joy dominated the episode. But since hate Sunny so much you ignore Joy and pour your hate on her.
Sorry Joy, you're wrong. Both my wife and I work and while we both do our own laundry I do a lot of the cooking, taking out the garbage, bringing in the garbage pails, cleaning the bathrooms including the toilets, doing the dishes, and scheduling maintenance/repair appointments. We both work together with the vacuuming and food shopping and pitching in to help out my elderly parents.
Stop generalizing and putting out exaggerated narratives.
This is the exception not the rule.
Sir, you are exceptional!😊
Time for another remake of The Stepford Wives.
I’ll have multiple houses but sunny is free to do whatever she wants. If she is uncomfortable then it’s up to me to see to it that the pressure cease to exist .
Believe in allowing people to do what they want to do.
But at the same token these women should be aware that they may be creating a prison for themselves if the marriage doesn't work out and they have no means to get out of the marriage or what to do if left alone. These situations are very real and happen. You may think that it won't happen to you but you have no idea what will happen years down the road. Just be prepared and have your own career and money is all I'm saying.
I remember George Clooney once saying that neither he nor Amal his wife understood their twins because the twins spoke Italian. Which means they were being raised by Italian nannies, not by the Clooney parents.
It's a personal choice for every couple (sometimes not even a choice but what they have to do). What works for one couple might not work for another. My mom was a stay at home wife/mother and yes it was a lot for her but she also wouldn't have had it any other way. She understood since my dad was bringing home the check that she would be the one to take care of most of the household duties. And I'm so thankful that she was able to be there full time for us when we were young.
Some reddit users have pointed out at some tradwife influencers seem more focussed on selling their lifestyles as a fetish. Taking care of their husbands and making a point of using words like "submit," and being "available for his needs." Ever since then they creep me out.
‘Feminism means having a choice’. This is way too simplistic. I have a child with special needs (highly intense care!). I loved (!) my job outside the house; it gave me purpose and meaning. I tried to combine the two jobs but I got burned out from the intensive care within our house. I had to choose between my job outside (which gave me positive energy) and my ‘job’ at home.
Obviously my child comes first because he fully depends on me. Yes, it was a choice, but not the choice that I truly wanted for myself.
All women are working women. Free choice and a woman's choice. Not men dictating that choice and not other women dictating/judging that choice either.
Can I have one moment!😂😂😂😅
Joy's so old fashioned and thinks men are the same as they were in the fifties. Many men, not saying all, have stepped up and do a lot to help around the house. Not all men are Joy's father. I myself am a single dad I have no woman to rely on. And Guess what, everything still gets done.