Im 13, I decided to wear a veil and managed to convince my parents to but me one. I’m so excited! Soon, I’ll be wearing a veil during church and I can’t wait
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I started regularly wearing a chapel veil over a year ago whether I was attending the Latin Mass or the Novus Ordo. I felt really self-conscious at first when I would wear it at Novus Ordo parishes because I was the only one wearing the veil and I'm only 26 years old (I feel like it would draw fewer stares if I were an old woman). I still get plenty of looks but I'm so accustomed to it now that I barely notice. I wear it out of reverence for Jesus who is equally present at either form of the Mass. Besides, I feel that if I take little steps like this to overcome a fear of standing out, it strengthens me in other aspects to better live and defend the faith.
Thats wonderful. I too feel compelled to veil and it pains me that I grow so self conscious of it. I guess it's because I don't want to stand out or give off some image that I feel that I am holier than the next person. It just feels like the right thing to do. I am so impressed with your love for Jesus.
Me too! I felt self-concious and stopped after awhile, but about a year later I felt compelled to wear it again. Now I happily veil. I also attend an FSSP parish (Latin Mass) now :)
After much prayer, I started wearing a chapel veil in July. It's not a "look at me, look at me" thing at all! I find that, when I put on my chapel veil, it helps me to more fully immerse myself in the Mass.
I agree! I just started veiling at Mass last week and the very LAST thing I would want to do is draw attention to myself. It's most definitely not a "look at me" or "I'm holier than you" type thing for me. I find that it helps me focus on Mass better too and it just felt beautiful (not in a vain way, but spiritually). It's hard to describe exactly.
Women! Don't think twice about wearing the chapel veil just because no one else is wearing one. In fact, someone is wearing one, that is Jesus who is veiled behind the tabernacle!
Jesus tore the veil between heaven and earth, our separation from God at his death. He is no longer hidden, is is Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, He is in us, around us, with us! He is only hidden to those who are not aware of Him.
I started wearing a veil because I felt in my heart that I needed to. I kept ignoring that feeling, until I started feeling naked while I was in Mass. I wore it and now feel great! It in sign of humility and in reverence to The Holy of Holies
Smile. I've been covering for a few years now when I pray and go to church, and other times as well. I feel so calm and peaceful when I cover my head. I will pass on a bit of what I know from scripture, and hopefully it will helps anyone?🤷♀️ 1 Cor 11 makes it pretty clear that a woman should cover or veil her head in public worship. The word for covering in 1 Corthians 11:4, 5,6,7, 13, is the word, katakalýptō, from katá, "down, and kalýptō, "to cover"-cover down, to make appropriate (complete), i.e. to wear a veil. It is the same word used for the veil that separated the Holy of holies from the priests. But only in vrs 15, where Paul is giving an example from nature is a different word used, "but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering." This is different word from the others for "cover"= "peribolaion," that which is thrown around or a mantel that can be thrown around (As in when a women tosses or throws her hair around). Cover in the first few verses of 1 Cor 11, should really be translated veil. This is where we get the English saying, "Let your hair down." Becuase during the "sexual revolution" women let there hair down out of thier buns, uncovered their hair and shook it back and forth. Up until only the last two generations woman covered in Church. All of our grandmothers would have covered in church. This is why the Hutterites, Mennonites, Amish, the orthodox churches, some Catholics, a lot of African tribes, and Messiniac Beleivers, etc still cover their hair. Here's some verses in the OT about head covering. Hope these help. Isaiah 47:1-2. Come down and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon; sit on the ground without a throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans! For you shall no more be called tender and delicate. Take the millstones and grind flour, "put off your veil", strip off your robe, uncover your legs, pass through the rivers. (So as we can see, even virgins were to keep their heads covered and save their hair for their husbands. Otherwise it is like they are showing all their nakedness). Numbers 5:18. Then the priest shall stand the woman before the LORD, "uncover the woman’s head," and put the offering for remembering in her hands, which is the grain offering of jealousy. And the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that brings a curse. Also Genesis 20:16 says in the Hebrew Then to Sarah he said, “Behold, I have given your brother a thousand pieces of silver; indeed this is "a covering for her eyes" (to put back on her wedding covering) you before all who are with you and before everybody.” Thus she was rebuked. From what I understand In Genesis 24:65. Rebekah covers herself because the bridal price has already been paid. 2 vrs later we see Isaac take Rebekah bright away into his tent. There was no wedding ceremony. Her covering herself was an outward show of her marriage to Isaac. Since they were married he was allowed to take her right away into his tent and "uncover" her.
I say my before-meal prayers in public now, something I would’ve hidden or avoided doing in public even three years ago. But now I want people to see that someone praying before a meal is an everyday and normal thing to do, not to be hidden. It’s not to seem holier than thou; it’s to let other people know that they could do it too, and without feeling self-conscious.
You will love wearing it , when I was young no lady young or old would have dreamt of attending mass without their mantilla or scarf to cover their head. I did stop for a little while when NO was introduced, but felt incomplete without it. It’s a traditional and respectful thing for me, I’ve never heard of it be called a ‘church veil’. God Bless you.
@@worthwhilediscussion then do it someone has to start it for others to follow and if they ask it because the bible said so ! Dont matter if the church/pope say it not mandatory it is in the bible.
@@funnygaming2672 👍 I attend TLM but recently began attending a Novus Ordo with my husband and I do get some stares there because I veil (I assume, I haven't asked them, lol). It is a little uncomfortable, I will admit, but I'm getting used to it. At this point I'd feel weird not wearing it while attending a mass, kinda like leaving the house without my socks.🙃 Nobody has mentioned it, and I don't expect anyone to become confrontational about it. But I suppose it may happen one day, and if it does I'll probably just fall back onto the "it's my head and I'll wear whatever I want on it," argument. I think the key is not to get caught up in other people's sillyness, you know?
I always kneel during the consecration of the eucharist no matter what, even if everyone is standing. Giving the due respect to God's prescience is more important to than "being apart from the crowd".
So everyone else who is following novus ordo and the church is "the crowd" and u are the only one showing God respect. You sound like your looking too much at others and are for sure judging everyone. Absurd
BRAVO!!!!!! I have went to the Anglican Communion but I ALWAYS kneel in the consecration, wether anglican or roman, whatever the rest of the congregation / assembly may do...
Have always felt the same way. "Behold the lamb of God, he who takes away the sins of the world." How does anyone keep from bending the knee at that? As for members of my family and other members of the church that remain standing, they can do what they like. As for me, I feel I am most adoring and praising God on my knees at that point of the mass.
I think so. I was in the adoration chapel once, really praying "why am I doing this?" I really wanted it to be what God wants and not what i want. When I got up to leave, I saw an incredibly beautiful woman walking in as I was preparing to walk out. She was so beautiful I literally gasped out loud- and then in a few seconds noticed it was my reflection in the glass door! I took that as God's answer- it's how He sees us when we veil- so I still wear my veil.
I've been thinking about this stuff recently too! There are so many beautiful aspects of our Liturgy that have been pushed to the wayside since Vatican 2. It seems as though there is a resurgence among young Catholics that has us gravitating towards some of the more traditional Catholic practices though, despite their absence from Novus Ordo Mass. I just began receiving the Holy Eucharist on the tongue, and respectfully resigned my position as an Extraordinary Minister of Communion simply because I feel called to greater reverence; especially in the Mass... Planning on attending the Latin Mass regularly over the summer too :)
@@marydumois4242 I don't think wearing a veil is a sacrament. It's not a fashion statement. I use it to keep me focused on the Mass. Lately I've been depressed and the veil in a way keeps my emotions private between me and God.
@@patriciamadsen8091 when did I say it was a “ Sacrament” I said it’s a SACRAMENTAL which it is. You said you wear it because you like too. My point is that you should wear it out of respect for Our Lord when you like to or not doesn’t really matter.
My first reason for beginning to wear the veil again at Mass is to remind myself that I am there to show reverence for God, focus on God and higher minded issues, and to be a sign to others to do the same. Since I've been wearing the veil there is far less chatter before Mass, and it has fostered an atmosphere of prayer. May the Lord be praised!
I wore last week for the first time a chapel veil. I had thought about it for a long time, but never wanted to be different from others, nor draw any attention to myself, but through a difficult and complex past, a lot of my most basic identity as a woman, a daughter of God had been stripped from me. As I grew in my relationship with Christ, my devotion to the eucharistic celebration, God has strengthened me and returned to me that which was broken and while my interior disposition toward the Eucharist has always been reverent, I too often came in very casual clothing to mass, and it was laid upon my heart that I should embrace the beauty God saw in me and be the daughter of God, the adopted child of the Lord and come to that altar with the dignity Jesus bestowed upon me and upon every believer. I wanted to express what God was restoring in me and to better represent the beauty I felt in my heart at being privileged to meet Christ weekly at the altar in the Eucharist. That is why I have put on the veil. What was lost, was found, and my joy overflows. I witness to my deep thankfulness I feel, and the beauty of the Eucharist. I hope all of those reason are the right reasons; it is meaningful to me.
I think that I might start wearing my veil out of humility since I likewise feel like I need to grow in humility and I'm kinda fighting wearing a veil so this will be the perfect oppertunity to start.
Having grown up with the latin mass where all women wore chapel veils I can tell you that wearing a chapel veil to the novus ordo mass is a lesson in extreme humility. I've heard that from other women who veil at the English mass. I'm sure there may be women who wear them to generate a 'look at me, I'm so holy' atmosphere but almost all the women I know who do this are embarrassed to do something no one else is doing and they veil out of reverence. In addition, it helps women who are constantly distracted during mass by what's going on here, there and everywhere. Custody of the eyes is difficult to maintain in church so anything that helps is nice.
I veil. if I pay attention to how people react to me wearing a veil, I might feel uncomfortable. But I do it in adoration of the Eucharistic and so I don't pay attention to how people react to me veiling.
I'm used to seeing local immigrant women from the "Old Countries" (Mexico, Germany, Italy and Spain) wearing mantillas -- i.e. chapel veils. I'd actually never heard them called chapel veils till this video. My mom's Irish-American family calls them "doilies," and one of my aunts says toilet paper saved her soul because she was forever forgetting her doily at home when she went to Catholic school, and the nuns made her go into the bathroom for a square of toilet paper to cover her head at the Daily Mass. Gotta love Irish humor. Locally, besides the immigrant women who veil out of reverence, there's one American woman who does so. When a group of women in a Traditional Catholic online forum began putting on pressure to veil, I wrote that I would want to examine my own motives (nobody else's) very carefully before veiling in my own parish -- only one of the locally-born&reared women in my parish wears the veil; I wouldn't want to do it to "make a statement," especially since humility is a virtue I constantly have to work on. I certainly wouldn't veil to "shame" other women into doing so, that's never been my style. So I would refrain unless the Holy Spirit moves me to outwardly declare my inner devotion. That got me booted from the forum, lol. I do have to say that it seems natural for the women in my parish who veil to do so, even the younger American mom. They're very devout, more concerned about giving their time to the community's poor than for accumulating the latest fineries or even going on vacation. They carry the peace of the Holy Spirit with them. It's unfortunate that some of the other women look askance at the young American mom for veiling (it comes up in conversation because Ameri-Mom is in charge of Youths in Community Service, so when women want to know who to talk to about that, I've heard other women say, "Oh you know who she is. She wears that thing on her head" -- never mind the immigrant women who wear "things" on their heads; I guess that's ok because they're already different?).
I think Patty S meant that it helps the women who wear the veil, not the people around them. The veil blocks the woman's view of what's going on in the church, so it might help her focus more on the Mass instead of what other people are doing.
Hmmmmm... It covers her hair, not eyes... most often anyway. I haven't personally seen anyone wearing one that covers her eyes (not that it's NEVER happened). An interesting "plus" I suppose, but doing so goes back to St. Paul's epistle.
I too veil. I was always drawn to it as a child. I felt called to begin to veil a few years before I actually started. I am always very conscious of calling attention to myself, so that was certainly a concern for me. I prayed for two years before I felt ready. For me it is a beautiful way to humble yourself in the presence of Our Heavenly Father. I feel so much closer you Him. Once I started, other young women began as well. It is a small way that I may honour Our Lord and I do so lovingly with reverence. JMJ+ pray for us.🙏🏻
I’ve been wearing a chapel veil for years now at the Novus ordo Mass and I absolutely love it. In the beginning I felt that everyone was staring at me, but I am over that fear now and I only concentrate on Jesus at the Mass and I continue wearing my veil chapel veil.
Okay, I realize I'm coming to the conversation about 4 years late, so maybe nobody will see this. But just in case... RE: Chapel Veils - In 2004, I was working as a missionary in Athens for the summer and had the opportunity to join a tour of the ancient ruins in Corinth, the leader of which was a professor at seminary (for the Orthodox faith.) He mentioned this mandate of Paul's - and gave some context. Sadly, temple prostitutes were common among many of the Greek cities. It was their practice to really stand out in a crowd, so they would be easily identifiable. They wore red tunics, shaved their heads (yes, bald!) - and had the words, "follow me" painted on the undersides of their sandals. A number of these temple prostitutes converted to Christianity, and began to try to grow their hair out. But, as women know, it takes years - maybe a decade or more - to grow your hair out so long it looks as if it's never been cut. Apparently, some women in the church were in the habit of gossiping and trying to make these new converts feel uncomfortable because of their baldness (or short hair.) Our teacher explained that, just as Christ covers our own dignity (covering the nakedness of Adam and Eve), Paul wanted to cover the dignity of all women, making us equals together - and that this head covering should also serve as a visual reminder to all that the church is the Bride of Christ and as such, we are all clothed with dignity and veiled in anticipation of that wedding day when we will be forever united to the Lamb of God. Anyway, I thought that was beautiful and wanted to share...
I know this was posted approximately a year ago. But, I wanted to give deep thanks, for sharing this very beautiful and useful information. I truly love and enjoy historical information, that puts the traditions and practices of The Church into context. God bless you you for taking the time to share this with us all and for your missionary work.
I believe even Protestant theologian Lucy Peppiet wrote about this very same thing recently and it totally turned the conversation on its head (no pun intended) in the best possible way. More people need to hear this, especially because humans are being so objectified across the culture nowadays, why wouldn’t you want to wear a sacramental sign of the reality of your sacred dignity? What a testimony of Christ’s love! Veiling is so beautiful! Thanks so much for sharing this comment.
I am so pleased to read these comments ~ I was excited to hear Fr. Mike’s take on this, but then was, for the first time, a trifle disappointed ... I have never desired to follow the crowd so as to not make waves ~ not when wearing a veil (for 7 years now) was so deeply impressed upon my heart as show of deep reverence ~ I too experienced the feelings of self-consciousness and endured a few sneers along the way. I recall even hearing some folks who sat behind me in Mass one time say, “she tries too hard.” But I am not doing this for the crowd ... and certainly not for a display of superior piety... I cannot allow these ideas to obscure this beautiful sacramental ~ But I have never felt a sense of solidarity with our culture and modern times so this action is consistent with my own particularities in general ~ I can acknowledge wearing a veil isn’t for everybody (but I sure do wish it was) ~ i love seeing veils on other women ~ it’s so beautiful and feminine, especially during times in which true femininity seems to be under such attack ~ Mass is our refuge ~
Fr.Mike.....I dreamed one morning and in that dream, God spoke to me. He gave me the answer for what I was actually longing for so many months...His each and every word was so wiseful and I couldn't able to stand firm in front of his glory...He loves us so much and cares for us a lot than anyone in this world etc.
I have had God speak to me in a dream twice. I had no doubt it was from God...He was telling me something very specific that I needed to hear. God is awesome!!!
Me too... Jesus appeared to me in a dream and it was SO DIFFERENT from a normal dream and I can still clearly remember it. He was so filled with love, it was very short, and he also told me something very specific, what to do after my husband passed away, and as long as I follow this simple life path, everything goes smooth and works out. It was truly amazing!
I was feeling called to start veiling last year. It has really enhanced my experience during mass and prayer. I hope to inspire more women to start doing the same. God bless you Fr. Mike!✝️🙏🙏🕯️
I came into the Catholic Church on Easter Vigil 2024. While a candidate, I begin to wonder if I should wear a veil. I asked The Lord what to do and an image of Christ vailing me came to my heart. I’m bailing for mass now.
I appreciate everyone's feedback here. I wore a veil once or twice a long time ago and felt very self conscious. But the desire to wear one is on my mind when I go to mass and maybe now I'll do it. I'm already the only woman in my church who wears dresses to mass instead of casual wear.
I'm going to do it. I don't care who thinks what. Modernism has entered the Church and is a dishonor to the Lord. Let's join the resistance to all these evils and bravely embrace the true holiness. Also notice that: No reverence to the Holy Eucharist in today's Catholic Church (ie not recieving Communion in the mouth, kneeling) is the major cause for the great poverty or lack of Saints today.... Compare and you will find that all the Saints to whom we have a devotion to are from the TRADITIONAL Mass days where the Holy Eucharist was only received on the tongue and kneeling...AND the Sacred Host was only touched by the CONSECRATED HANDS OF THE PRIEST ALONE. LET'S JOIN THE RESISTANCE. LET'S FIGHT FOR OUR JESUS AND DEFEND HIM IN THE HOLY EUCHARIST. LETS RECEIVE HIM ONLY ON THE TOUGUE AND KNEELING. DON'T GIVE UP ON HIM WHO IS YOUR LOVE❤.
Love your video I still remember when I was a little girl looking at my grandmother as well as my mom while they were putting their veils to go off to mass. Some women at my church still wear them and they look beautiful!
I was born Hindu, and was chased by a nightmare all my life, till I started following Jesus and actually could interpret the nightmare..with the help of lot of prayers and house blessings and most importantly by doing the Rosary and Saint Micheal prayer, I got rid of that particular bad dream...it was weird bcz it was the same dark dream that I got..
I have been wanting to get involved deeper with the faith and I feel deeply drawn to praying the Rosary regularly as my first prayer, but keep putting off prayer because it's so frightening to me. I had a dream last night that I was looking at a lovely red rosary. I sort of felt like it was God nudging me like, ok, it's time to get that Rosary you've been obsessing about and actually PRAY. So I bought a beautiful medieval rosary with red beads today. Can't wait to get it and pray the rosary; I've been studying it for a few days now.
At first I thought the chapel veil was to set woman apart who thought they were holier than non veil wearers. But then a deacon, without knowing my internal thoughts, explained that in the extraordinary form everything veiled is sacred! That changed my heart and mind entirely. To veil made me feel I was a daughter of God, sacred to Him!
I am 37 and I have been using a Chapel Veil for many many years. No one showed me or told me to. I just felt in my heart I wanted to do it. I just don't feel the same having my head uncovered. I just feel naked without it. It is a strange feeling but when I wear a chapel veil I feel free. I can't be without it, I feel I honor God in ways I can't describe but I feel it in my heart.
Unless you have an unhealthy need to be seen as holy, the wearing of the veil is a beautiful sign of reverence. Reverence is that thing that seems to be in short supply at almost all parishes these days. To me, the veil says immediately that the soul is obedient to the One whom we all come to thank and adore on Sunday. As for the observation by Father Mike that something that sets you apart from the rest during worship should be well considered, I agree. However, since shorts and t-shirts could well be the norm at any given warm weather parish on a Sunday, might a man consider well his desire to don a shirt and tie? Reverence is not only good, it is essential to our participation in the liturgy. Anything that helps lend that air to the sacred space during Mass is to be encouraged. I do not require the Latin Mass, or chant or a communion rail, though all of these are good things. All I ask is a well celebrated Mass in either form and reverence for what is happening from the congregation. God will do the rest.
In my opinion there is never a time when it's "unhealthy need to be seen as holy". We are all called to be saints, and to be seen as holy is part of it. I've never known a woman who veils for attention. It's a humble action and a great step toward holiness.
I wear a veil to church (I am not yet Catholic, but we do attend a Novus Ordo mass)--not a full length mantilla, but a small veil that attaches like a headband. It covers my head but also not too conspicuous. Also, finding neutrals or colors that blend in with your hair color can help. It can be hard to not feel self-conscious when no one else seems to be doing it. However, my conviction is strong--and my reasons for doing it are *not* to be prideful or to intentionally stand out. In anyway, I would hope people are more focused on Christ and the Mass than worrying about what is on my head!
Thank you for this Fr. Mike! I feel like God wanted me to see this first because I've been having dreams and started asking if it's from Him, and secondly I started veiling again. God bless you Fr. Mike. 😇 This video was years ago but I just saw this today. God is always on time.
I still feel self-conscious wearing my veil but am soldiering on hoping that others will join me in showing Our Lord reverence for His Presence in the Blessed Sacrament. Wearing the veil does help me to concentrate on the Mass; my mind doesn't wander as much and after a while I started receiving on the tongue, too - the first time I did, Our Lord spoke to my heart - He said "Thank You!" Also I have started wearing colored veils to match the liturgy - purple for Lent and Advent; pink for the 3rd Sunday in Advent, White for Christmas, red for Pentecost, etc. The liturgical colors have symbolism and it helps me to enter into the spirit of the celebration. When I was growing up all I knew was that "women had to cover their heads" - and it was a competition to see who had the nicest hats so after Vat II I was glad the hats were out. But I never knew the real reason for the tradition of veiling and it is so beautiful.
#askfrmike Could you perhaps do a video about confronting atheist friends/family who shame or mock your faith? Sometimes I feel I have to hide what I believe from those I love and that makes me feel terrible.... Thank you and God bless for all your helpful videos.
Remember the beatitudes Matthew 5:11.. Blessed are they when you are persecuted and falsely say every kind of insult .Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven ..
I know how you feel. I am a convert. I come from a Baptist background and have a huge family. I do get the feeling they are upset with me for converting but I know in my heart I am right where God wants me to be!🙏✝️🕯️
I’m new & Returning Catholic, and I have more Reverence than ever before. I saw 2 ladies @ church. Wearing their veils and I thought it was the most beautiful moment.
I had a dream some years ago that I was walking down an abandoned street, which on one side was lined with old homes, and on the other, a fenced park, which was unkempt. I walked into the park through a opening in the fence. (I guess at one time there was a gate), and I noticed how old the trees were, and that the leaves were brown and falling, although it did not seem to be that cold of a day. Not far from the park entrance, I saw an old bench on which was laying a woman who was in labour. I was the only one there, so I approached her, but soon realized that all I could do to help her was to hold her hand. Nobody was around. Absolutely nobody. I woke up and the dream stayed with me, and to this day I remember thinking that the woman represented the church, and things were unkempt, and that all I was being called to do was hold her hand.
Thank you father Mike, for all that you do. I and my family are very grateful to have you. And we think it’s terrific the way you answer all questions. God bless you.
I started covering again and when women ask me about it I just explain that the Holy Spirit put it on my conscience for years, but it wasn’t a big deal and they could just ignore it if they wanted to. I really want to avoid giving a “holier than thou” or “you all should be doing this” impression. But I am happy to be obeying, at last, if you are on the fence about it. That peace, of obeying the Lord.
My grandmothers and great grandmothers all veiled during mass. My grandmother used to tell stories of forgetting her veil and having to use a handkerchief to cover her head for mass.
I wear a chapel veil. I attend NO mass. A few women in my church inspired me. Also, my Jewish sisters inspired me too. They have so much respect for God and his word. Everything I know today about God I owe to them. It’s respectful to cover your head in God’s house. It shows that you acknowledge there is something greater than you out there. It is a way of submitting yourself to that greater power.
Yea I wish The USA would follow what Indians are doing.Growing up anytime I visited India I would always see my grandmothers and aunts head covered in church. I love the dupattas there!!!
I go to a Traditional mass on the weekends where I wear a veil. I go to a Catholic school and we have mass on Tuesdays and Fridays. I usually do not wear my veil to school masses for 2 reasons. 1- I'm in the choir its hard to keep with me 2- its a hassle to keep it at school with me and watch after it. One day we were going up the stairs and a girl turned to me and laughed. I quietly said what and she said, "look at her (not going to put girls name in)" She was in school uniform except one thing, she had a veil on with her mother. All I said was, "Yeah and?" and the girl said, "She is wearing a veil" and laughed again. I was put up with that because honestly, I'm not brave enough to wear a veil to our school mass so for someone to say this to me brought my confidence down and taught me that she is not a very nice friend.
Hi, be carful about what you watch on TH-cam especially in the modern music and secular areas where there dwells a ton of cultural rot and can be like cancer for the soul. God bless
Father, I randomly stumbled upon your videos and I am so grateful. I was born and raised a Catholic, but lost my way many years ago. Since finding you and the channel Ascension I have returned to Christ. I also now practice veiling, but only because I want to honor the Lord. Anyways, I just wanted to say thank you for what you. I am now home. May God continue to bless you and all those on the channel.
the Canon of 1983 does not state if the veil will continue or not (it is not mentioned at all). i started veiling a couple of years ago though because I felt like I was called to do so. Not because someone told me I had to.
Because of your podcasts I ,an Evangelical, became very curious about Catholicism. I began reading studying other podcast of Catholic Nature, and began reading a history of The Catholic Church. What I have discovered is that my own faith only scratches the surface of The Christian Faith. I am in the beginning of an effort to convert to Catholicism,in which I feel my knowledge and relationship with Christ will no longer have the empty unanswered questions left iny soul by my Pentecostal/ then Evangelical faith. I know it's a hard journey ahead with much study,but I am anxious to begin. Thank you Father Mike for starting me down a pathway of marvelous discovery!❤❤❤
I wanted to wear a veil because I felt it was the right thing to do. When I read on why women wear a veil, it encouraged me to wear one. Veils are pretty to wear but the main importance is out of respects to God. When I wear my veil, I think of our Blessed Mother. I try my best to be like her
The way I have come to understand it, is that all that is sacred is Veiled in the church. Contrary to what many think of the Catholic church about women place in the world, society , It elevates the dignity of women to k now how special we are to God and how sacred we are. It has been eye opening and a blessing to me to wear veil at Mass. May God protect you and continue to guide you Fr Mike to preached the Truth of the Gospel, the one Jesus died for.🙏
I agree that asking the question "why am I doing this" is a good thing but I disagree with you Father Mike, on not doing something if no one else is. The criteria should be "do it if it is right". Wearing a veil to Mass may seem a small thing, but it is traditional, sacred and right.
1 Corinthians 11:4 Verse Concepts Covering Heads Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces his head. 1 Corinthians 11:5-6 But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head.
i think he meant doing something different if it is in community, for example he was in a communal prayer and set himself apart i hope this helps you understand! :)
I agree with you, but I think the point that he was trying to make was that if you are going to do something a little "extra" (according to today's standards) which is likely to make you stand out, ensure that your intentions are pure, and if they aren't don't necessarily not do it, but purify your intentions. So, in the case of the head covering, if one wears a head covering, in today's society, that is likely to garner a lot of attention so if you are going to do it, make sure that its for Christ and not for the attention. I think he was trying very hard to be nice about it that it perhaps was a little vague. Hopefully I'm not guilty of the same ;)
I thought I would clarify since you said "correct me if I'm wrong". It is not stated in the 1983 code of cannon law that it is no longer practice, rather it is not mentioned at all (as it was in previous editions). Vatican II does not mention or change anything at all having to do with chapel veils. Also the 1917 code, which essentially required chapel veils, was still in effect up until the 1983 code was issued. The rapid drop of the practice between the end of Vatican II and 1983 is often blamed on Vatican II; however, it is probably more accurately due to the anti-Catholic feminist movement which was growing simultaneously through the 60's and 70's.
on veils in the Code of Canon Law: Hi Fr. Mike and the staff of AP (I hope you're doing well!!), To my knowledge the 1983 Code of Canon Law says nothing about the custom, and therefore it has not changed since the Church's initial prescribed recommendation/requirement. I looked it up to fact check, and still did not find it. If I'm not looking hard enough, and someone else finds where this was said, I'd love to see it. Veil up, ladies! :) God bless +
The 1983 Canon law indeed DOES NOT even comment on the issue anymore. The last time Roman Church law commented on Mantillas/ Veils concerning normal parish masses was the 1917 edition which translated from latin to English says: "Can. 1262. § 1. is desirable that, in accordance with the old-time discipline, women are separated from the men in church. § 2. The men in the church or outside the church, so long as the sacred rites are going on, are with bare head, unless otherwise is stated and approved by their national customs or there are special circumstances; The women with their head covered and in modest clothing, especially when they (wish to) come near to the Lord's table." So by now you can decide if and when where/ how you want to wear a mantilla or not. Only in papal masses and private audiences with the pope, they are still part of the expected ceremonial, but even there it is no longer obligatory by Church law, only highly encouraged and asked for by the Vatican. (Cf. the controversy Mary Robinson caused in the 90s when walking in on her private audience without the proper veil). Greetings, Your helpful Lutheran. (Explaining proper catholic dogma since 1517. :-] )
Lauren Lazzari High Church Lutheran, interested in one day seeing (and be it from heaven) the Church united again, which should start with Orthodoxy and the Roman rite cause both are the closest to Lutheran theology (closer than Calvinism or the Baptists for example). BUT that being said: I wouldn't necessarily say "I know" it. I know this part and that part (stuff that either interests me or is peculiar for historical reasons) but about most parts of course a roman scholar should be more knowledgeable than me. This just happened to be an issue I had read about before and remembered. Oh, and no problem. :-)
I am curious if there is anything left for a high church Lutheran protestant to even "protest"about. The Catholic Church in some ways looks more "protestant" than ever since the 62 council, which tried to become more attractive to protestants. If you don't mind me asking what theological or dogmatic articles are keeping you from "reunion". Is it the sacrificial aspect of the mass or the dogmas on the immaculate conception?
I am a 76 yo widow... I belong to a fairly conservative parish...which is growing...and there are a very few women who veil. I have...until today, only veiled at a traditional Latin mass (years ago), I am pretty sure I was the only veiled woman ( maybe ind more) at the 11:00 Mass. I sat in the back,,,the church was packed... and had to walk all the way down the aisle, to receive Holy Communion. I felt a little self conscious, but I expect that feeling to go away, with time, I am finally doing somethung I have felt called to do for years, and it feels right. It helps thst my parish seems to be OK with veiling...No one makes a big deal out of it. Now... There is a NO Mass parish only 8 miles down the road ..which was my church home for a long time...where NO ONE veils...and there are around 4000 families registered. I would totally feel awkward vveikung there...for sure. Anyway, today’s experience was so good, thst I am looking forward to next Sunday..
I thought the purpose of a vail was showing respect to the Lord. I don't see it as, doing something different, but reminding others, of where we are. Going to Mass is sacred. Jesus is, there, or has, every one here forgotten that?
that honestly depends on the individual. you think of it that way, there are other people that wear veils to 'look' holy, and for these people, fr mike is saying to reflect on the reason why you are wearing the veil. that's all. you are free to wear it, and it's not wrong. but it doesn't hurt to think about the exact reason why you wear it
Women wear a veil to look holy, really? Have you asked them? Or have you just decided that for yourself? Is it the case that you, yourself don't know why women wear a veil, so that could be the only reason that you can think of?
If it helps, I used to wear the chapel veil to look holy. I don't know if I could have voiced that at the time, but I can now, so there's at least one person.
hitthefries How do you know women wear veils to " look" Holy? How can you assume that? Wearing a veil shows respect towards Jesus, is what I always thought. Maybe I am wrong. I thought Jesus was the center of the Mass? Since when did respect for Jesus go out of style, or is He not even considered?
Thank you, Fr. Mike. I was wondering whether I did not love Abba enough or respect Him enough to wear a chapel veil, if it was some sort of mark against me. I have no qualms about wearing one at a Latin Mass or even when I am visiting India and raising a shawl over your head is custom. Perhaps it’s because I grew up with the Novus Ordo Mass-singing and following along lifts my heart up. I do not know if one day my love for Abba will ignite in me an inclination to wear a veil, but I’m glad that not having one now and just loving and following Him with His Help is enough for Him. On that note, I believe you described it very gently and encouragingly. I think anything one does regarding outer appearance should take some self-reflection. For me, I admit that if I were to wear a chapel veil right now, I’d end up having thoughts of superiority, self-righteousness, and a holier-than-thou’ attitude, just because I’m aware I would draw eyes. Knowing this about myself, I want to draw attention to Jesus when people look at me, and wearing a chapel veil on my part, I believe, would be turning my eyes away from Abba and onto people. For me, not wearing a chapel veil and resting in the fact that Jesus sees me in my pew and my unique heart He’s rescued, even if I do not outwardly stand out from the crowd, is enough for me and on my part, maybe humbling. I admire those who do wear chapel veils though, because whether it’s a matter of pride-disguised-as-humility or not (a matter between them and Abba), it does point to the recognition that Jesus is there at the altar, wanting to be with us and in us, to nourish us and guide us back Home. 💜🤗 I want to ask for prayers though, because when I do spot someone at Mass wearing a veil, I’m first inclined to think they are showing off or being snobby, which is critical and not loving of me. 🙈 Argh, I should try to see it as them being signs of reassurance from Abba that He’s there and that He wants to feed me and be with me, the child He rescued! Take care everyone, let’s go Home little by little every day and helping each other along the way. Thank you to those who shared their experience of wearing a veil. 😊
Father Mike, You are really missing so much by not learning about the the "Traditional" Catholic Church and getting out of the New Order Vatican 2 Mess. This is the perfect time to do it , I believe you are the Man for the job
I am a revert and when I found out you get special graces when wearing a veil during the Mass, it was a no brainer. I wear it because I feel closer to the Lord. Not because I wish to stand out. Reverence is a big part of my heart. I want to do all I can to show the Lord how much I love him and care. Even if no one else in the church does it. If I was told I could no longer wear one I would cry. When I first began to want to wear one I was so nervous of judgement that I wore a modest hat. But the hat did not feel right in my heart. So I switched. Now when people say I remind them of older days, I tell them I need all the graces I can get. And use the time to inform them a blessed veil is a Sacramental and a beautiful way to love and honor the Lord. In no way is it used for vein reasons. Lord I love you, help me love you more. ❤
I have desperately wanted to begin wearing a veil at mass. Just yesterday, I finally got my first veil in the mail. So many women who I respect a great deal wear veils, and live out their faith everyday. Their love, and reverence for God speaks through their actions. Although I WANT to veil, I am very timid to do so because of reactions from others. This video makes me even more nervous because it seems like there are people who insinuate that women who veil are somehow trying to gain attention....This makes me both uneasy with the direction of our church, and sad that such a beautiful act (veiling) is now being turned into something “vain”. I have considered veiling to be a physical act of showing respect to the Eucharist, and sacrifice of Christ. I will pray about it some more, speak with other women of my parish, and discuss it with my priest’s thoughts on this....and maybe watch less videos on TH-cam 😕
Hi Gypsy I hope you find the courage to veil. I really believe that the Holy Spirit is calling many women to veil. I am wondering if its a response to all the "gender fluidity" stuff in pop culture. When I veil, I feel that I am affirming that I am made to be a woman. Mother Mary is veiled. I want to be like She who is most blessed among women. I don't think men are superior to women. I think God created man & woman different from one another. Different roles. I strongly believe that women should never be made priests. Veiling is one small way to say that I accept God's role for me, a woman.
My fiancée and i have discussed taking a more traditional route, including, kneeling when receiving Eucharist, receiving on tongue, treating God with more reverence than what we did in our past Protestant lifestyles
In terms of dreams, often nightmares are a form of attack by the enemy. Dreams are therefore not only a psychological interpration, it can also be the way the spirit world communicates with us and how the enemy may also sometimes attack. This is an important consideration also.
I think it is amazing that men assume that women are veiling because they want to. The women I know who veil, myself included, were called to do so by the Holy Spirit.
My understanding is that it was never abrogated. We need solid clarification on this. It is a devotional on the woman's part. And it was never a sin whether you did or not.
I remember wearing hats as a child but gradually followed the crowd after Vatican II and quit wearing any head coverings. Over the last 20 years or so, some parishioners traveled overseas and were re-introduced to veils and began to wear them at Mass. I felt called to cover my head at church but many veils are SO beautiful I questioned, as Father Mike does, the reason for covering. In the end, I have chosen to wear simple hats.
#askfrmike If the Second Vatican Council states that the Eucharist is the center of Catholic worship why is Jesus in the tabernacle moved to the side or in a completely different room? Prior to Vatican II the tabernacle was always in the center why was it moved?
Prior to Vatican 2 it wasn't always in the center. Infact for many centuries it was held in the sacristy away from everyone. You are look too much at physical outward things God doesn't care about the location of the tabernacle in the church he wants to be the center of your heart and that's it. Worship him with your heart not with your eyes
Fr. Mike, with removal of the veil, immodesty followed. I recommend reading the "The Veil" by Fr. Robert J. Fox. My daughter and I continue to wear a veil wherever Jesus is present on the altar. It is an outward expression of reverence. We also kneel to receive Christ the King, whether at a Novus Ordo Mass and or a Traditional Latin Mass. All for the glory of God!
I am currently a practicing protestant. Veiling has been on my heart much longer than becoming Catholic. I am prohibited from veiling at my current church even though I truly believe that it is a calling from Holy Spirit. I believe it is as another person said, a movement of Holy Spirit to reclaim the dignity of communal worship. Personally, the chapel veil makes me feel closer to our heavenly Father, more focused and less distracted. In a world that daily works to strip away a person's sense of worth the veil reminds me that I am worth something to my creator who loves and cherishes me and has blessed me with sacred purpose. I asked myself how can I grow bold and courageous in the Lord by taking the easy way of going with the crowd? Right is right even if no one is doing it and wrong is still wrong even when everyone is doing it.
What denomination do you belong to at the moment? I have never heard of a denomination that would actually prohibit one from veiling, given that before the 1960s, Christian females in all denominations wore headcoverings.
I got PINK ones, blue ones, purple ones (lent) gold ones, (Christmas & Easter) black ones, (good Friday) White ones, and even one with little sparkles in it :D They show us the beauty that is so lacking in modern society...devoid of lovely things.......It's better to look "out of place" than to follow the trends of a society that is in decay. (moral & cultural decay)
I am not catholic but I wear a headcovering (no not mennonite etc). I have always felt it was right, even when I was young. My mom, sisters, and I all decided to start wearing them. If you read further into that chapter ( if I remember right it is 1 Corinthians 11) it goes on to say it is a sign of protection among the Angel's. Likening it to the blood on the doorways in the original passover. I am still trying to figure that little bit odd verses but find it fascinating that it is phrased like that.
Thanks Fr. Mike for this enlightenment about veil. I don't mind people or old ladies wearing veil during mass as long as it helps them honor God and still show their humble hearts and sincerity. thank you , Lord.
I completely agree with the answer to the dream question, out of personal experience. I had a dream that I now know with certainty was from God and I knew at the time because it was so external, so out of the blue that I knew it wasn’t my imagination. But when I had the dream I had the exact knowledge Mike was talking about. It wasn’t a question. I just knew, your not on doubt because you know you have been touched.
I have a few chapel veils purchased recently, but I can't yet bring myself to wear them to the local ordinary mass. It feels awkward because I recently came back to the church and some people knew me when I was agnostic. I want to wear the veil because it makes me feel in private communication with God and more reverent to Him. But I'm afraid it will draw undo attention. (I can't believe it matters what people think of me when it never mattered before, and I don't know most of them but am trying to). I think I need to work on this feeling and get over it. My priest also told me he prefers to give communion in the hand, and I would like to go back to taking it on the tongue. I think everyone is worried about hygiene, but frankly, and from what I've read, I don't think it's any less hygienic. I also want communion from the priest or deacon, not a eucharistic lay minister. We have maybe 60 people in our parish on a good Sunday, and I don't know why the priest can't deliver communion to all if the deacon isn't present. I feel the need to be more traditional with my practices. I veil when attending Mass at churches where no one knows me or to vespers at a nearby friary.
I dreamt of my Mum night before her Requiem mass (May just gone). She had a line of light across the right shoulder to her chest and I was compelled to ask her to pray for us. I felt all the love I have for her and she has for me.
you seem to touch on all the subjects I have questions about or research, another great message. I have a questions about dreams and some of the meanings.
This was very good. 1. As a female that does veil sometimes… when you do stand out.. it’s embarrassing. One time I wouldn’t even get up and go to the restroom because I knew I’d stand out and maybe distract people from the homily. I pray someday there are no judgements on how someone worships as long as they are clean and modest. 2. Finally, your dreams monologue was spot on. Sounded just like St. John C’s “Divine Ascent” Dreams are just dreams. And lower spirits can disguise themselves as angels and cause you vainglory, but if a real angel were to appear “you’d be terrified and repenting” , kind of like your line “if it was a dream from God, it’d be very different from any dream you’ve had. You’d know like Joseph did”
Agreed on both. Feeling called to the devotion of veiling shouldnt be ignored. Also, dreams that are from God are very different from "regular" dreams. There is no doubt about that.
I had a dream when I was younger that changed my life, and I always wonder if I was crazy or if it was from God. I would very much like to learn more about this!
I thought that had to do with the Bible verse that talks about a woman’s hair being her glory, so covering her “glory” in church was to show only God’s glory in worship.
Father Mike, I am so glad that you address this because I have been thinking about wearing one. I love the idea but again didn't want to stand out. I didn't want to seem like a person saying hey. Look at how pious I am. On the other hand, I know I'm not supposed to be constantly thinking about what other people think or let it affect my relationship with God. So it is a tough balance, but it's something I would like to do and I'm going to start doing it and try not to worry about what other people are thinking. It's funny because I used to sit in the back but now I'm sitting closer and closer to the front so it's even more on my mind. Thank you everybody for your comments about go ahead and just do it.
Father I woke at 4 am one morning after a very vivid and powerful dream of King David.He said he would always protect me.I will never forget it and I think about it often.I am Catholic but I spoke to a Rabbi about this dream.He suggested I have my DNA tested but I haven't done it yet.Any thoughts about this ?
I just recently started going to the lot mass which is beyond breathtaking and moving but there’s not one female in this packed mass that does not veil. Traditional Catholic religion is so beautiful and today has become so watered down and sad I am so grateful and blessed to be worshiping back where the incense and the holy water sprinkled on us is something I completely forgot about but missed the moment I sensed it!
Well I have read that of St. Paul and never took it the way your explain it. You might want to re read it and then have some one read it to you of the veiling. I am only 54 and grew up in a very old church were veiling was big. Love your vids and many prayers
My husband looked at me like I was nuts when I bought a veil lol, but about half of the other women at my parish wear one for Novus Ordo mass. I think they're beautiful.
#askfrmike Aloha from Hawaii Fr. Mike! First off thank you for the wisdom you share to us through your videos! The role you play to not only Catholics but to those who are being invited into the Catholic Church through the Holy Spirit's nudging is tremendous. This leads to my questions: 1. What advice do you have for those who desire to become Catholics but due to RCIA scheduling they have to wait a while before entering into the RCIA classes? 2. What is the spiritual condition/state of those who desire to enter into the Catholic Church but are not yet members (i.e. how does God view the souls of us who are in this situation)? Mahalo for the powerful work you do, I pray that God continues to pour out an abundance of strength for you as you fulfill this important ministry. (I apologize in advance if you already made videos on these questions and I didn't see them.)
Ok I don’t veil and I’m glad he mentions it is not a sin not to wear one. Sometimes it can come across from commentators that those of us who don’t veil are automatically NOT being reverent. Not true. Veiling is lovely, but we have the freedom not to and still be able to honor Jesus.
As time goes by I find I’m moved to cover my head but since I attend only Ordinary Form doing it would strongly set me apart and I just don’t feel secure enough not to be distracted by this. So I’m looking at low key ways of doing it (hats, headbands) that don’t seem as out of place. I want to maintain my focus on God by doing it as innocuously and humbly as possible.
I figure if people can come to Mass dressed all crazy or with blue hair, I can wear a Chapel veil for my Lord. I also will kneel like we used to in Mass even if everyone stands. I do it for Him alone. I do stay in back to not draw attention to myself and distract others from their worship of God.
I’m a Catholic convert who grew up in the Lutheran church in the 1960s. All women, Catholic, Lutheran, or Baptist, wore hats in church. It was expected of you.
Earlier this year on Holy Thursday I asked God what I could do to love him more and one thing that kept popping up in my head was the thought of wearing a chapel veil. I attend a Novus Ordo church and there are not many people that wear veils and of the ones that do none of them are a teenager like me. I asked God if it was really him asking me to do this that he would get everything started for me because I didnt know what I was doing. Then next day my mom actually asked me if I wanted to wear a veil to mass (with having no knowledge of my conversation with God) and I took it as a sign. A friend of mine who attends a different church and wears a veil accidentally left hers at my house while visiting and she allowed me to keep the veil so I could wear it to every mass. It really changed how I viewed going to mass and it made everything seem more sacred and beautiful everytime I walked into church. I strongly recommend trying it if you have difficulty really getting into the beauty of the mass. It may be uncomfortable at first if not many people at your parish wear a veil, but it is truly life changing.
I am a Christian but I've been covering for a few years now when I pray and go to church, and other times as well. I feel so calm and peaceful when I cover my head. I will pass on a bit of what I know from scripture, and hopefully it will helps anyone?🤷♀️ 1 Cor 11 makes it pretty clear that a woman should cover or veil her head in public worship. The word for covering in 1 Corthians 11:4, 5,6,7, 13, is the word, katakalýptō, from katá, "down, and kalýptō, "to cover"-cover down, to make appropriate (complete), i.e. to wear a veil. It is the same word used for the veil that separated the Holy of holies from the priests. But only in vrs 15, where Paul is giving an example from nature is a different word used, "but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering." This is different word from the others for "cover"= "peribolaion," that which is thrown around or a mantel that can be thrown around (As in when a women tosses or throws her hair around). Cover in the first few verses of 1 Cor 11, should really be translated veil. This is where we get the English saying, "Let your hair down." Becuase during the "sexual revolution" women let there hair down out of thier buns, uncovered their hair and shook it back and forth. Up until only the last two generations woman covered in Church. All of our grandmothers would have covered in church. This is why the Hutterites, Mennonites, Amish, the orthodox churches, some Catholics, a lot of African tribes, and Messiniac Beleivers, etc still cover their hair. Here's some verses in the OT about head covering. Hope these help. Isaiah 47:1-2. Come down and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon; sit on the ground without a throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans! For you shall no more be called tender and delicate. Take the millstones and grind flour, "put off your veil", strip off your robe, uncover your legs, pass through the rivers. (So as we can see, even virgins were to keep their heads covered and save their hair for their husbands. Otherwise it is like they are showing all their nakedness). Numbers 5:18. Then the priest shall stand the woman before the LORD, "uncover the woman’s head," and put the offering for remembering in her hands, which is the grain offering of jealousy. And the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that brings a curse. Also Genesis 20:16 says in the Hebrew Then to Sarah he said, “Behold, I have given your brother a thousand pieces of silver; indeed this is "a covering for her eyes" (to put back on her wedding covering) you before all who are with you and before everybody.” Thus she was rebuked. From what I understand In Genesis 24:65. Rebekah covers herself because the bridal price has already been paid. 2 vrs later we see Isaac take Rebekah bright away into his tent. There was no wedding ceremony. Her covering herself was an outward show of her marriage to Isaac. Since they were married he was allowed to take her right away into his tent and "uncover" her.
I need to make a phone call to the Pope. I don't get why the Vatican 2 change the veil. I just learned about it and attended my first Latin mass. Seeing all the ladies from young to old was breathtaking. The Vatican took away something that just because they wanted attendance and didn't think that maybe the younger generation might like it. I do and it's in the bible and the respect is amazing. My view has changed and why didn't the nuns at my Catholic school talk to me about the veil. Now it's different for me.
Father ......... uh..how specific do our confessions need to be ? for example .. can I confess to lying with out specifying the lie but emphasizing the magnitude of the lie ? just tell the Confessor Father it was a biggie and it hurt people ? or just the general "gist" of the sin ? ( lying is not the sin I am really asking about... but the question applies either way )
Im 13, I decided to wear a veil and managed to convince my parents to but me one. I’m so excited! Soon, I’ll be wearing a veil during church and I can’t wait
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If you wear a veil and a guy doesn’t you are a sicko sick sick sick sick person
This is great for you but please don’t share your age online! There are creeps lurking in comments sections looking for those exact words: “I’m x years old.” You may think TH-cam is safe cause it’s relatively anonymous and you don’t really have a profile. But they can put your profile photo into reverse image search and find your other profiles, or search your username and find your other profiles that way. There are plenty of ways for them to find you. Please be safe! I was targeted online when I was your age by men decades older.
Good for you it’s a great sign of respect , in my church in Scotland many of the ladies, young and old, wear a Mantilla (lace veil) at mass.
I started regularly wearing a chapel veil over a year ago whether I was attending the Latin Mass or the Novus Ordo. I felt really self-conscious at first when I would wear it at Novus Ordo parishes because I was the only one wearing the veil and I'm only 26 years old (I feel like it would draw fewer stares if I were an old woman). I still get plenty of looks but I'm so accustomed to it now that I barely notice. I wear it out of reverence for Jesus who is equally present at either form of the Mass. Besides, I feel that if I take little steps like this to overcome a fear of standing out, it strengthens me in other aspects to better live and defend the faith.
Absolutely!
Thats wonderful. I too feel compelled to veil and it pains me that I grow so self conscious of it. I guess it's because I don't want to stand out or give off some image that I feel that I am holier than the next person. It just feels like the right thing to do. I am so impressed with your love for Jesus.
Me too! I felt self-concious and stopped after awhile, but about a year later I felt compelled to wear it again. Now I happily veil. I also attend an FSSP parish (Latin Mass) now :)
beautiful! thanks for sharing
I feel self-conscious, too, and my veil keeps falling off. I pin it on, but my hair is very fine and thin.
After much prayer, I started wearing a chapel veil in July. It's not a "look at me, look at me" thing at all! I find that, when I put on my chapel veil, it helps me to more fully immerse myself in the Mass.
Lisa Herrling
100% supporting your point...
Thank you Rejeela! May God richly bless you!
Lisa Herrling i super agree
Thank you, Michelle R!
I agree! I just started veiling at Mass last week and the very LAST thing I would want to do is draw attention to myself. It's most definitely not a "look at me" or "I'm holier than you" type thing for me. I find that it helps me focus on Mass better too and it just felt beautiful (not in a vain way, but spiritually). It's hard to describe exactly.
Women! Don't think twice about wearing the chapel veil just because no one else is wearing one. In fact, someone is wearing one, that is Jesus who is veiled behind the tabernacle!
And the Mother of God
NavajoLion this one is powerful 😭😍
And veiled under the appearance of bread and wine
Yep. It has been done for the entire history of the church until Vatican 2. You are not alone.
Jesus tore the veil between heaven and earth, our separation from God at his death. He is no longer hidden, is is Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, He is in us, around us, with us! He is only hidden to those who are not aware of Him.
I started wearing a veil because I felt in my heart that I needed to. I kept ignoring that feeling, until I started feeling naked while I was in Mass. I wore it and now feel great! It in sign of humility and in reverence to The Holy of Holies
Smile. I've been covering for a few years now when I pray and go to church, and other times as well. I feel so calm and peaceful when I cover my head.
I will pass on a bit of what I know from scripture, and hopefully it will helps anyone?🤷♀️
1 Cor 11 makes it pretty clear that a woman should cover or veil her head in public worship. The word for covering in 1 Corthians 11:4, 5,6,7, 13, is the word, katakalýptō, from katá, "down, and kalýptō, "to cover"-cover down, to make appropriate (complete), i.e. to wear a veil.
It is the same word used for the veil that separated the Holy of holies from the priests.
But only in vrs 15, where Paul is giving an example from nature is a different word used, "but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering."
This is different word from the others for "cover"= "peribolaion," that which is thrown around or a mantel that can be thrown around (As in when a women tosses or throws her hair around).
Cover in the first few verses of 1 Cor 11, should really be translated veil.
This is where we get the English saying, "Let your hair down." Becuase during the "sexual revolution" women let there hair down out of thier buns, uncovered their hair and shook it back and forth.
Up until only the last two generations woman covered in Church. All of our grandmothers would have covered in church. This is why the Hutterites, Mennonites, Amish, the orthodox churches, some Catholics, a lot of African tribes, and Messiniac Beleivers, etc still cover their hair.
Here's some verses in the OT about head covering. Hope these help.
Isaiah 47:1-2. Come down and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon; sit on the ground without a throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans! For you shall no more be called tender and delicate. Take the millstones and grind flour, "put off your veil", strip off your robe, uncover your legs, pass through the rivers.
(So as we can see, even virgins were to keep their heads covered and save their hair for their husbands. Otherwise it is like they are showing all their nakedness).
Numbers 5:18. Then the priest shall stand the woman before the LORD, "uncover the woman’s head," and put the offering for remembering in her hands, which is the grain offering of jealousy. And the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that brings a curse.
Also Genesis 20:16 says in the Hebrew
Then to Sarah he said, “Behold, I have given your brother a thousand pieces of silver; indeed this is "a covering for her eyes" (to put back on her wedding covering) you before all who are with you and before everybody.” Thus she was rebuked.
From what I understand In Genesis 24:65. Rebekah covers herself because the bridal price has already been paid. 2 vrs later we see Isaac take Rebekah bright away into his tent. There was no wedding ceremony. Her covering herself was an outward show of her marriage to Isaac. Since they were married he was allowed to take her right away into his tent and "uncover" her.
I say my before-meal prayers in public now, something I would’ve hidden or avoided doing in public even three years ago. But now I want people to see that someone praying before a meal is an everyday and normal thing to do, not to be hidden. It’s not to seem holier than thou; it’s to let other people know that they could do it too, and without feeling self-conscious.
I just ordered my first veil! I’m 50!
You're not alone. I'm 58. Just started one at my dad's funeral January 2022.
You will love wearing it , when I was young no lady young or old would have dreamt of attending mass without their mantilla or scarf to cover their head. I did stop for a little while when NO was introduced, but felt incomplete without it. It’s a traditional and respectful thing for me, I’ve never heard of it be called a ‘church veil’. God Bless you.
So many women are now veiling at our mass...I love it! There is an amazing return to the church happening here. I have great hope for the future.
Many women at my parish young and old have started veiling! I love this devotion and have bought mine and will start wearing this week!
Not at my parish, unfortunately.
@@worthwhilediscussion then do it someone has to start it for others to follow and if they ask it because the bible said so ! Dont matter if the church/pope say it not mandatory it is in the bible.
@funnygaming2672 Been doing it for almost 3 years now. People are stubborn it seems.
@@funnygaming2672 👍 I attend TLM but recently began attending a Novus Ordo with my husband and I do get some stares there because I veil (I assume, I haven't asked them, lol). It is a little uncomfortable, I will admit, but I'm getting used to it. At this point I'd feel weird not wearing it while attending a mass, kinda like leaving the house without my socks.🙃
Nobody has mentioned it, and I don't expect anyone to become confrontational about it. But I suppose it may happen one day, and if it does I'll probably just fall back onto the "it's my head and I'll wear whatever I want on it," argument. I think the key is not to get caught up in other people's sillyness, you know?
I always kneel during the consecration of the eucharist no matter what, even if everyone is standing. Giving the due respect to God's prescience is more important to than "being apart from the crowd".
So everyone else who is following novus ordo and the church is "the crowd" and u are the only one showing God respect. You sound like your looking too much at others and are for sure judging everyone. Absurd
No one should be standing? I've been to a mass where the majority stands during consecration. That's incredibly concerning on its own.
BRAVO!!!!!! I have went to the Anglican Communion but I ALWAYS kneel in the consecration, wether anglican or roman, whatever the rest of the congregation / assembly may do...
Have always felt the same way. "Behold the lamb of God, he who takes away the sins of the world." How does anyone keep from bending the knee at that? As for members of my family and other members of the church that remain standing, they can do what they like. As for me, I feel I am most adoring and praising God on my knees at that point of the mass.
I did it in Israel because they never had kneelers. No one said a word to me. I think they were in awe that I could kneel on the hard ground
Could the chapel veil be a movement of the Holy Spirit to reclaim some of the sacredness of the mass? It is a beautiful symbol
I think so. I was in the adoration chapel once, really praying "why am I doing this?" I really wanted it to be what God wants and not what i want. When I got up to leave, I saw an incredibly beautiful woman walking in as I was preparing to walk out. She was so beautiful I literally gasped out loud- and then in a few seconds noticed it was my reflection in the glass door! I took that as God's answer- it's how He sees us when we veil- so I still wear my veil.
Definitely
I totally agree!!!!
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I've been thinking about this stuff recently too! There are so many beautiful aspects of our Liturgy that have been pushed to the wayside since Vatican 2. It seems as though there is a resurgence among young Catholics that has us gravitating towards some of the more traditional Catholic practices though, despite their absence from Novus Ordo Mass.
I just began receiving the Holy Eucharist on the tongue, and respectfully resigned my position as an Extraordinary Minister of Communion simply because I feel called to greater reverence; especially in the Mass... Planning on attending the Latin Mass regularly over the summer too :)
I wear the veil in sing of obedience.
I wear the veil in acceptance of my nature, a woman.
I wear the veil for God.
1 Corinthians 11:10 that’s why woman wear veils to honor God and because they are considered sacred
I wear a veil just because I like wearing one. My mom and grandma would wear one.
@@patriciamadsen8091 you should wear it as intended AS A SACRAMENTAL not as a fashion thing you enjoy.
@@marydumois4242 I don't think wearing a veil is a sacrament. It's not a fashion statement. I use it to keep me focused on the Mass. Lately I've been depressed and the veil in a way keeps my emotions private between me and God.
@@patriciamadsen8091 when did I say it was a “ Sacrament” I said it’s a SACRAMENTAL which it is. You said you wear it because you like too. My point is that you should wear it out of respect for Our Lord when you like to or not doesn’t really matter.
My first reason for beginning to wear the veil again at Mass is to remind myself that I am there to show reverence for God, focus on God and higher minded issues, and to be a sign to others to do the same. Since I've been wearing the veil there is far less chatter before Mass, and it has fostered an atmosphere of prayer. May the Lord be praised!
B Sparks Well done. 🕯
I wore last week for the first time a chapel veil. I had thought about it for a long time, but never wanted to be different from others, nor draw any attention to myself, but through a difficult and complex past, a lot of my most basic identity as a woman, a daughter of God had been stripped from me. As I grew in my relationship with Christ, my devotion to the eucharistic celebration, God has strengthened me and returned to me that which was broken and while my interior disposition toward the Eucharist has always been reverent, I too often came in very casual clothing to mass, and it was laid upon my heart that I should embrace the beauty God saw in me and be the daughter of God, the adopted child of the Lord and come to that altar with the dignity Jesus bestowed upon me and upon every believer. I wanted to express what God was restoring in me and to better represent the beauty I felt in my heart at being privileged to meet Christ weekly at the altar in the Eucharist. That is why I have put on the veil. What was lost, was found, and my joy overflows. I witness to my deep thankfulness I feel, and the beauty of the Eucharist. I hope all of those reason are the right reasons; it is meaningful to me.
I wear a veil as an act of humility. This is a virtue I need to work to cultivate and wearing a veil is one way for me to grow in humility.
I think that I might start wearing my veil out of humility since I likewise feel like I need to grow in humility and I'm kinda fighting wearing a veil so this will be the perfect oppertunity to start.
Having grown up with the latin mass where all women wore chapel veils I can tell you that wearing a chapel veil to the novus ordo mass is a lesson in extreme humility. I've heard that from other women who veil at the English mass. I'm sure there may be women who wear them to generate a 'look at me, I'm so holy' atmosphere but almost all the women I know who do this are embarrassed to do something no one else is doing and they veil out of reverence. In addition, it helps women who are constantly distracted during mass by what's going on here, there and everywhere. Custody of the eyes is difficult to maintain in church so anything that helps is nice.
Not at all what I was saying Justin.
I veil. if I pay attention to how people react to me wearing a veil, I might feel uncomfortable. But I do it in adoration of the Eucharistic and so I don't pay attention to how people react to me veiling.
I'm used to seeing local immigrant women from the "Old Countries" (Mexico, Germany, Italy and Spain) wearing mantillas -- i.e. chapel veils. I'd actually never heard them called chapel veils till this video. My mom's Irish-American family calls them "doilies," and one of my aunts says toilet paper saved her soul because she was forever forgetting her doily at home when she went to Catholic school, and the nuns made her go into the bathroom for a square of toilet paper to cover her head at the Daily Mass. Gotta love Irish humor.
Locally, besides the immigrant women who veil out of reverence, there's one American woman who does so. When a group of women in a Traditional Catholic online forum began putting on pressure to veil, I wrote that I would want to examine my own motives (nobody else's) very carefully before veiling in my own parish -- only one of the locally-born&reared women in my parish wears the veil; I wouldn't want to do it to "make a statement," especially since humility is a virtue I constantly have to work on. I certainly wouldn't veil to "shame" other women into doing so, that's never been my style. So I would refrain unless the Holy Spirit moves me to outwardly declare my inner devotion. That got me booted from the forum, lol.
I do have to say that it seems natural for the women in my parish who veil to do so, even the younger American mom. They're very devout, more concerned about giving their time to the community's poor than for accumulating the latest fineries or even going on vacation. They carry the peace of the Holy Spirit with them. It's unfortunate that some of the other women look askance at the young American mom for veiling (it comes up in conversation because Ameri-Mom is in charge of Youths in Community Service, so when women want to know who to talk to about that, I've heard other women say, "Oh you know who she is. She wears that thing on her head" -- never mind the immigrant women who wear "things" on their heads; I guess that's ok because they're already different?).
I think Patty S meant that it helps the women who wear the veil, not the people around them. The veil blocks the woman's view of what's going on in the church, so it might help her focus more on the Mass instead of what other people are doing.
Hmmmmm... It covers her hair, not eyes... most often anyway. I haven't personally seen anyone wearing one that covers her eyes (not that it's NEVER happened). An interesting "plus" I suppose, but doing so goes back to St. Paul's epistle.
I have veiled since about 9 years ago. I do it out of love, honor and respect my Lord.
I too veil. I was always drawn to it as a child. I felt called to begin to veil a few years before I actually started. I am always very conscious of calling attention to myself, so that was certainly a concern for me. I prayed for two years before I felt ready. For me it is a beautiful way to humble yourself in the presence of Our Heavenly Father. I feel so much closer you Him.
Once I started, other young women began as well. It is a small way that I may honour Our Lord and I do so lovingly with reverence. JMJ+ pray for us.🙏🏻
I’ve been wearing a chapel veil for years now at the Novus ordo Mass and I absolutely love it. In the beginning I felt that everyone was staring at me, but I am over that fear now and I only concentrate on Jesus at the Mass and I continue wearing my veil chapel veil.
Okay, I realize I'm coming to the conversation about 4 years late, so maybe nobody will see this. But just in case...
RE: Chapel Veils - In 2004, I was working as a missionary in Athens for the summer and had the opportunity to join a tour of the ancient ruins in Corinth, the leader of which was a professor at seminary (for the Orthodox faith.) He mentioned this mandate of Paul's - and gave some context.
Sadly, temple prostitutes were common among many of the Greek cities. It was their practice to really stand out in a crowd, so they would be easily identifiable. They wore red tunics, shaved their heads (yes, bald!) - and had the words, "follow me" painted on the undersides of their sandals. A number of these temple prostitutes converted to Christianity, and began to try to grow their hair out. But, as women know, it takes years - maybe a decade or more - to grow your hair out so long it looks as if it's never been cut. Apparently, some women in the church were in the habit of gossiping and trying to make these new converts feel uncomfortable because of their baldness (or short hair.)
Our teacher explained that, just as Christ covers our own dignity (covering the nakedness of Adam and Eve), Paul wanted to cover the dignity of all women, making us equals together - and that this head covering should also serve as a visual reminder to all that the church is the Bride of Christ and as such, we are all clothed with dignity and veiled in anticipation of that wedding day when we will be forever united to the Lamb of God.
Anyway, I thought that was beautiful and wanted to share...
I know this was posted approximately a year ago. But, I wanted to give deep thanks, for sharing this very beautiful and useful information. I truly love and enjoy historical information, that puts the traditions and practices of The Church into context. God bless you you for taking the time to share this with us all and for your missionary work.
Thank you for sharing that story, I'd never heard it! I love the idea of it. Just being something to equal us out not to cover us up necessarily.
I believe even Protestant theologian Lucy Peppiet wrote about this very same thing recently and it totally turned the conversation on its head (no pun intended) in the best possible way. More people need to hear this, especially because humans are being so objectified across the culture nowadays, why wouldn’t you want to wear a sacramental sign of the reality of your sacred dignity? What a testimony of Christ’s love! Veiling is so beautiful! Thanks so much for sharing this comment.
That's interesting, and beautiful.
2 years on, I want to thank you for your comment!
I personally wear my chapel veil because it helps put my mind in a state of reverence before the Eucharist!
I was thrilled when I discovered chapel veils. I feel like I am honoring God and traditions when I wear it.
I am so pleased to read these comments ~ I was excited to hear Fr. Mike’s take on this, but then was, for the first time, a trifle disappointed ... I have never desired to follow the crowd so as to not make waves ~ not when wearing a veil (for 7 years now) was so deeply impressed upon my heart as show of deep reverence ~ I too experienced the feelings of self-consciousness and endured a few sneers along the way. I recall even hearing some folks who sat behind me in Mass one time say, “she tries too hard.” But I am not doing this for the crowd ... and certainly not for a display of superior piety... I cannot allow these ideas to obscure this beautiful sacramental ~
But I have never felt a sense of solidarity with our culture and modern times so this action is consistent with my own particularities in general ~ I can acknowledge wearing a veil isn’t for everybody (but I sure do wish it was) ~ i love seeing veils on other women ~ it’s so beautiful and feminine, especially during times in which true femininity seems to be under such attack ~ Mass is our refuge ~
Fr.Mike.....I dreamed one morning and in that dream, God spoke to me. He gave me the answer for what I was actually longing for so many months...His each and every word was so wiseful and I couldn't able to stand firm in front of his glory...He loves us so much and cares for us a lot than anyone in this world etc.
I have had God speak to me in a dream twice. I had no doubt it was from God...He was telling me something very specific that I needed to hear. God is awesome!!!
Me too... Jesus appeared to me in a dream and it was SO DIFFERENT from a normal dream and I can still clearly remember it. He was so filled with love, it was very short, and he also told me something very specific, what to do after my husband passed away, and as long as I follow this simple life path, everything goes smooth and works out. It was truly amazing!
I was feeling called to start veiling last year. It has really enhanced my experience during mass and prayer. I hope to inspire more women to start doing the same. God bless you Fr. Mike!✝️🙏🙏🕯️
I came into the Catholic Church on Easter Vigil 2024. While a candidate, I begin to wonder if I should wear a veil. I asked The Lord what to do and an image of Christ vailing me came to my heart. I’m bailing for mass now.
I appreciate everyone's feedback here. I wore a veil once or twice a long time ago and felt very self conscious. But the desire to wear one is on my mind when I go to mass and maybe now I'll do it. I'm already the only woman in my church who wears dresses to mass instead of casual wear.
good for you but if you can get to a TLM you won't be the only one!
When I started wearing a veil I realized that I could make more of an effort when dressing for church. Now I usually only wear dresses or skirts.
I'm going to do it. I don't care who thinks what. Modernism has entered the Church and is a dishonor to the Lord. Let's join the resistance to all these evils and bravely embrace the true holiness. Also notice that:
No reverence to the Holy Eucharist in today's Catholic Church (ie not recieving Communion in the mouth, kneeling) is the major cause for the great poverty or lack of Saints today.... Compare and you will find that all the Saints to whom we have a devotion to are from the TRADITIONAL Mass days where the Holy Eucharist was only received on the tongue and kneeling...AND the Sacred Host was only touched by the CONSECRATED HANDS OF THE PRIEST ALONE.
LET'S JOIN THE RESISTANCE. LET'S FIGHT FOR OUR JESUS AND DEFEND HIM IN THE HOLY EUCHARIST. LETS RECEIVE HIM ONLY ON THE TOUGUE AND KNEELING. DON'T GIVE UP ON HIM WHO IS YOUR LOVE❤.
Love your video I still remember when I was a little girl looking at my grandmother as well as my mom while they were putting their veils to go off to mass. Some women at my church still wear them and they look beautiful!
I’ve been wearing a vail for many years, to give reverence to our Lord🙏 our Blessed Mother wears one 🙏
I was born Hindu, and was chased by a nightmare all my life, till I started following Jesus and actually could interpret the nightmare..with the help of lot of prayers and house blessings and most importantly by doing the Rosary and Saint Micheal prayer, I got rid of that particular bad dream...it was weird bcz it was the same dark dream that I got..
I have been wanting to get involved deeper with the faith and I feel deeply drawn to praying the Rosary regularly as my first prayer, but keep putting off prayer because it's so frightening to me. I had a dream last night that I was looking at a lovely red rosary. I sort of felt like it was God nudging me like, ok, it's time to get that Rosary you've been obsessing about and actually PRAY. So I bought a beautiful medieval rosary with red beads today. Can't wait to get it and pray the rosary; I've been studying it for a few days now.
At first I thought the chapel veil was to set woman apart who thought they were holier than non veil wearers. But then a deacon, without knowing my internal thoughts, explained that in the extraordinary form everything veiled is sacred! That changed my heart and mind entirely. To veil made me feel I was a daughter of God, sacred to Him!
I am 37 and I have been using a Chapel Veil for many many years. No one showed me or told me to. I just felt in my heart I wanted to do it. I just don't feel the same having my head uncovered. I just feel naked without it. It is a strange feeling but when I wear a chapel veil I feel free. I can't be without it, I feel I honor God in ways I can't describe but I feel it in my heart.
Unless you have an unhealthy need to be seen as holy, the wearing of the veil is a beautiful sign of reverence. Reverence is that thing that seems to be in short supply at almost all parishes these days. To me, the veil says immediately that the soul is obedient to the One whom we all come to thank and adore on Sunday. As for the observation by Father Mike that something that sets you apart from the rest during worship should be well considered, I agree. However, since shorts and t-shirts could well be the norm at any given warm weather parish on a Sunday, might a man consider well his desire to don a shirt and tie? Reverence is not only good, it is essential to our participation in the liturgy. Anything that helps lend that air to the sacred space during Mass is to be encouraged. I do not require the Latin Mass, or chant or a communion rail, though all of these are good things. All I ask is a well celebrated Mass in either form and reverence for what is happening from the congregation. God will do the rest.
In my opinion there is never a time when it's "unhealthy need to be seen as holy". We are all called to be saints, and to be seen as holy is part of it. I've never known a woman who veils for attention. It's a humble action and a great step toward holiness.
I’m way late to ye conversation but really like what you said! There is so much disrespect nowadays it is VERY concerning!
I wear a veil to church (I am not yet Catholic, but we do attend a Novus Ordo mass)--not a full length mantilla, but a small veil that attaches like a headband. It covers my head but also not too conspicuous. Also, finding neutrals or colors that blend in with your hair color can help. It can be hard to not feel self-conscious when no one else seems to be doing it. However, my conviction is strong--and my reasons for doing it are *not* to be prideful or to intentionally stand out. In anyway, I would hope people are more focused on Christ and the Mass than worrying about what is on my head!
DappleRose Grey I hope you start a trend in your parish. The veil is beautiful. Keep it up. ⚜️
Mine is like that too and I am the only one who covers head. It’s my special way acknowledging Christ in the Eucharist.
Thank you for this Fr. Mike! I feel like God wanted me to see this first because I've been having dreams and started asking if it's from Him, and secondly I started veiling again. God bless you Fr. Mike. 😇
This video was years ago but I just saw this today. God is always on time.
I still feel self-conscious wearing my veil but am soldiering on hoping that others will join me in showing Our Lord reverence for His Presence in the Blessed Sacrament. Wearing the veil does help me to concentrate on the Mass; my mind doesn't wander as much and after a while I started receiving on the tongue, too - the first time I did, Our Lord spoke to my heart - He said "Thank You!" Also I have started wearing colored veils to match the liturgy - purple for Lent and Advent; pink for the 3rd Sunday in Advent, White for Christmas, red for Pentecost, etc. The liturgical colors have symbolism and it helps me to enter into the spirit of the celebration. When I was growing up all I knew was that "women had to cover their heads" - and it was a competition to see who had the nicest hats so after Vat II I was glad the hats were out. But I never knew the real reason for the tradition of veiling and it is so beautiful.
Scarlet, that was lovely when you spoke of receiving Our Lord on your tongue and His response. I imagine He did thank you!
#askfrmike Could you perhaps do a video about confronting atheist friends/family who shame or mock your faith? Sometimes I feel I have to hide what I believe from those I love and that makes me feel terrible.... Thank you and God bless for all your helpful videos.
I know how you feel too, since my granny used to be Catholic, but hates our faith now.
Remember the beatitudes Matthew 5:11.. Blessed are they when you are persecuted and falsely say every kind of insult .Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven ..
Rachel Lee I recommend the book "WHY do you believe in GOD?: Catholic Conversations with Skeptics and Non-believers" by Bryan Mercier 👍🏻
I know how you feel. I am a convert. I come from a Baptist background and have a huge family. I do get the feeling they are upset with me for converting but I know in my heart I am right where God wants me to be!🙏✝️🕯️
Let yourself be an example to them all of Christ. Best of luck and may God be with you, strengthen you. I know it’s not easy.
I’m new & Returning Catholic, and I have more Reverence than ever before.
I saw 2 ladies @ church. Wearing their veils and I thought it was the most beautiful moment.
I had a dream some years ago that I was walking down an abandoned street, which on one side was lined with old homes, and on the other, a fenced park, which was unkempt. I walked into the park through a opening in the fence. (I guess at one time there was a gate), and I noticed how old the trees were, and that the leaves were brown and falling, although it did not seem to be that cold of a day. Not far from the park entrance, I saw an old bench on which was laying a woman who was in labour. I was the only one there, so I approached her, but soon realized that all I could do to help her was to hold her hand.
Nobody was around. Absolutely nobody.
I woke up and the dream stayed with me, and to this day I remember thinking that the woman represented the church, and things were unkempt, and that all I was being called to do was hold her hand.
That's beautiful.
Wow!!!
Thank you father Mike, for all that you do. I and my family are very grateful to have you. And we think it’s terrific the way you answer all questions. God bless you.
I started covering again and when women ask me about it I just explain that the Holy Spirit put it on my conscience for years, but it wasn’t a big deal and they could just ignore it if they wanted to. I really want to avoid giving a “holier than thou” or “you all should be doing this” impression.
But I am happy to be obeying, at last, if you are on the fence about it. That peace, of obeying the Lord.
My grandmothers and great grandmothers all veiled during mass. My grandmother used to tell stories of forgetting her veil and having to use a handkerchief to cover her head for mass.
I wear a chapel veil. I attend NO mass. A few women in my church inspired me. Also, my Jewish sisters inspired me too. They have so much respect for God and his word. Everything I know today about God I owe to them. It’s respectful to cover your head in God’s house. It shows that you acknowledge there is something greater than you out there. It is a way of submitting yourself to that greater power.
Here in South India, it's normal to see nearly every woman cover her head.
True though
Yea I wish The USA would follow what Indians are doing.Growing up anytime I visited India I would always see my grandmothers and aunts head covered in church. I love the dupattas there!!!
I'm a South Indian 🙋🏻 It's compulsorily for us to wear veil while we pray... Especially when we're in church...
I go to a Traditional mass on the weekends where I wear a veil. I go to a Catholic school and we have mass on Tuesdays and Fridays. I usually do not wear my veil to school masses for 2 reasons. 1- I'm in the choir its hard to keep with me 2- its a hassle to keep it at school with me and watch after it. One day we were going up the stairs and a girl turned to me and laughed. I quietly said what and she said, "look at her (not going to put girls name in)" She was in school uniform except one thing, she had a veil on with her mother. All I said was, "Yeah and?" and the girl said, "She is wearing a veil" and laughed again. I was put up with that because honestly, I'm not brave enough to wear a veil to our school mass so for someone to say this to me brought my confidence down and taught me that she is not a very nice friend.
Hi, be carful about what you watch on TH-cam especially in the modern music and secular areas where there dwells a ton of cultural rot and can be like cancer for the soul. God bless
Father, I randomly stumbled upon your videos and I am so grateful. I was born and raised a Catholic, but lost my way many years ago. Since finding you and the channel Ascension I have returned to Christ. I also now practice veiling, but only because I want to honor the Lord. Anyways, I just wanted to say thank you for what you. I am now home. May God continue to bless you and all those on the channel.
the Canon of 1983 does not state if the veil will continue or not (it is not mentioned at all). i started veiling a couple of years ago though because I felt like I was called to do so. Not because someone told me I had to.
Because of your podcasts I ,an Evangelical, became very curious about Catholicism. I began reading studying other podcast of Catholic Nature, and began reading a history of The Catholic Church. What I have discovered is that my own faith only scratches the surface of The Christian Faith. I am in the beginning of an effort to convert to Catholicism,in which I feel my knowledge and relationship with Christ will no longer have the empty unanswered questions left iny soul by my Pentecostal/ then Evangelical faith. I know it's a hard journey ahead with much study,but I am anxious to begin. Thank you Father Mike for starting me down a pathway of marvelous discovery!❤❤❤
Have felt for a long time that we might be tested in our dreams. Appreciate these insights and thoughts, teachings and direction greatly.
I wanted to wear a veil because I felt it was the right thing to do. When I read on why women wear a veil, it encouraged me to wear one. Veils are pretty to wear but the main importance is out of respects to God. When I wear my veil, I think of our Blessed Mother. I try my best to be like her
The way I have come to understand it, is that all that is sacred is Veiled in the church. Contrary to what many think of the Catholic church about women place in the world, society , It elevates the dignity of women to k now how special we are to God and how sacred we are. It has been eye opening and a blessing to me to wear veil at Mass. May God protect you and continue to guide you Fr Mike to preached the Truth of the Gospel, the one Jesus died for.🙏
I agree that asking the question "why am I doing this" is a good thing but I disagree with you Father Mike, on not doing something if no one else is. The criteria should be "do it if it is right". Wearing a veil to Mass may seem a small thing, but it is traditional, sacred and right.
1 Corinthians 11:4 Verse Concepts Covering Heads Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces his head. 1 Corinthians 11:5-6 But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head.
Candy Clews listen more carefully
i think he meant doing something different if it is in community, for example he was in a communal prayer and set himself apart
i hope this helps you understand! :)
I agree with you, but I think the point that he was trying to make was that if you are going to do something a little "extra" (according to today's standards) which is likely to make you stand out, ensure that your intentions are pure, and if they aren't don't necessarily not do it, but purify your intentions. So, in the case of the head covering, if one wears a head covering, in today's society, that is likely to garner a lot of attention so if you are going to do it, make sure that its for Christ and not for the attention. I think he was trying very hard to be nice about it that it perhaps was a little vague. Hopefully I'm not guilty of the same ;)
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I thought I would clarify since you said "correct me if I'm wrong". It is not stated in the 1983 code of cannon law that it is no longer practice, rather it is not mentioned at all (as it was in previous editions). Vatican II does not mention or change anything at all having to do with chapel veils. Also the 1917 code, which essentially required chapel veils, was still in effect up until the 1983 code was issued. The rapid drop of the practice between the end of Vatican II and 1983 is often blamed on Vatican II; however, it is probably more accurately due to the anti-Catholic feminist movement which was growing simultaneously through the 60's and 70's.
on veils in the Code of Canon Law: Hi Fr. Mike and the staff of AP (I hope you're doing well!!),
To my knowledge the 1983 Code of Canon Law says nothing about the custom, and therefore it has not changed since the Church's initial prescribed recommendation/requirement. I looked it up to fact check, and still did not find it. If I'm not looking hard enough, and someone else finds where this was said, I'd love to see it. Veil up, ladies! :) God bless +
The 1983 Canon law indeed DOES NOT even comment on the issue anymore. The last time Roman Church law commented on Mantillas/ Veils concerning normal parish masses was the 1917 edition which translated from latin to English says:
"Can. 1262. § 1. is desirable that, in accordance with the old-time discipline, women are separated from the men in church.
§ 2. The men in the church or outside the church, so long as the sacred rites are going on, are with bare head, unless otherwise is stated and approved by their national customs or there are special circumstances; The women with their head covered and in modest clothing, especially when they (wish to) come near to the Lord's table."
So by now you can decide if and when where/ how you want to wear a mantilla or not. Only in papal masses and private audiences with the pope, they are still part of the expected ceremonial, but even there it is no longer obligatory by Church law, only highly encouraged and asked for by the Vatican. (Cf. the controversy Mary Robinson caused in the 90s when walking in on her private audience without the proper veil).
Greetings,
Your helpful Lutheran.
(Explaining proper catholic dogma since 1517. :-] )
Haha, thanks brother!!
Wait you're a Lutheran who knows Canon Law?
Lauren Lazzari High Church Lutheran, interested in one day seeing (and be it from heaven) the Church united again, which should start with Orthodoxy and the Roman rite cause both are the closest to Lutheran theology (closer than Calvinism or the Baptists for example).
BUT that being said: I wouldn't necessarily say "I know" it. I know this part and that part (stuff that either interests me or is peculiar for historical reasons) but about most parts of course a roman scholar should be more knowledgeable than me.
This just happened to be an issue I had read about before and remembered.
Oh, and no problem. :-)
Awesome. Yes, we do hope for the day that Christian unity as Christ proclaimed it is real and living.
God bless!
I am curious if there is anything left for a high church Lutheran protestant to even "protest"about. The Catholic Church in some ways looks more "protestant" than ever since the 62 council, which tried to become more attractive to protestants.
If you don't mind me asking what theological or dogmatic articles are keeping you from "reunion".
Is it the sacrificial aspect of the mass or the dogmas on the immaculate conception?
I am a 76 yo widow... I belong to a fairly conservative parish...which is growing...and there are a very few women who veil. I have...until today, only veiled at a traditional Latin mass (years ago), I am pretty sure I was the only veiled woman ( maybe ind more) at the 11:00 Mass. I sat in the back,,,the church was packed... and had to walk all the way down the aisle, to receive Holy Communion. I felt a little self conscious, but I expect that feeling to go away, with time,
I am finally doing somethung I have felt called to do for years, and it feels right.
It helps thst my parish seems to be OK with veiling...No one makes a big deal out of it.
Now... There is a NO Mass parish only 8 miles down the road ..which was my church home for a long time...where NO ONE veils...and there are around 4000 families registered. I would totally feel awkward vveikung there...for sure.
Anyway, today’s experience was so good, thst I am looking forward to next Sunday..
I thought the purpose of a vail was showing respect to the Lord. I don't see it as, doing something different, but reminding others, of where we are. Going to Mass is sacred. Jesus is, there, or has, every one here forgotten that?
that honestly depends on the individual. you think of it that way, there are other people that wear veils to 'look' holy, and for these people, fr mike is saying to reflect on the reason why you are wearing the veil. that's all. you are free to wear it, and it's not wrong. but it doesn't hurt to think about the exact reason why you wear it
hitthefries women wear a veil to look holy, really? Have you asked them? Or have you just decided that for yourself?
Women wear a veil to look holy, really? Have you asked them? Or have you just decided that for yourself? Is it the case that you, yourself don't know why women wear a veil, so that could be the only reason that you can think of?
If it helps, I used to wear the chapel veil to look holy. I don't know if I could have voiced that at the time, but I can now, so there's at least one person.
hitthefries How do you know women wear veils to " look" Holy? How can you assume that? Wearing a veil shows respect towards Jesus, is what I always thought. Maybe I am wrong. I thought Jesus was the center of the Mass? Since when did respect for Jesus go out of style, or is He not even considered?
Im a catholic from Spain and had no idea these existed! Very interesting. Thanks!
Thank you, Fr. Mike. I was wondering whether I did not love Abba enough or respect Him enough to wear a chapel veil, if it was some sort of mark against me. I have no qualms about wearing one at a Latin Mass or even when I am visiting India and raising a shawl over your head is custom. Perhaps it’s because I grew up with the Novus Ordo Mass-singing and following along lifts my heart up. I do not know if one day my love for Abba will ignite in me an inclination to wear a veil, but I’m glad that not having one now and just loving and following Him with His Help is enough for Him.
On that note, I believe you described it very gently and encouragingly. I think anything one does regarding outer appearance should take some self-reflection. For me, I admit that if I were to wear a chapel veil right now, I’d end up having thoughts of superiority, self-righteousness, and a holier-than-thou’ attitude, just because I’m aware I would draw eyes. Knowing this about myself, I want to draw attention to Jesus when people look at me, and wearing a chapel veil on my part, I believe, would be turning my eyes away from Abba and onto people.
For me, not wearing a chapel veil and resting in the fact that Jesus sees me in my pew and my unique heart He’s rescued, even if I do not outwardly stand out from the crowd, is enough for me and on my part, maybe humbling. I admire those who do wear chapel veils though, because whether it’s a matter of pride-disguised-as-humility or not (a matter between them and Abba), it does point to the recognition that Jesus is there at the altar, wanting to be with us and in us, to nourish us and guide us back Home. 💜🤗
I want to ask for prayers though, because when I do spot someone at Mass wearing a veil, I’m first inclined to think they are showing off or being snobby, which is critical and not loving of me. 🙈 Argh, I should try to see it as them being signs of reassurance from Abba that He’s there and that He wants to feed me and be with me, the child He rescued! Take care everyone, let’s go Home little by little every day and helping each other along the way. Thank you to those who shared their experience of wearing a veil. 😊
Father Mike, You are really missing so much by not learning about the the "Traditional" Catholic Church and getting out of the New Order Vatican 2 Mess. This is the perfect time to do it , I believe you are the Man for the job
I am a revert and when I found out you get special graces when wearing a veil during the Mass, it was a no brainer. I wear it because I feel closer to the Lord. Not because I wish to stand out. Reverence is a big part of my heart. I want to do all I can to show the Lord how much I love him and care. Even if no one else in the church does it. If I was told I could no longer wear one I would cry. When I first began to want to wear one I was so nervous of judgement that I wore a modest hat. But the hat did not feel right in my heart. So I switched. Now when people say I remind them of older days, I tell them I need all the graces I can get. And use the time to inform them a blessed veil is a Sacramental and a beautiful way to love and honor the Lord. In no way is it used for vein reasons. Lord I love you, help me love you more. ❤
I have desperately wanted to begin wearing a veil at mass. Just yesterday, I finally got my first veil in the mail. So many women who I respect a great deal wear veils, and live out their faith everyday. Their love, and reverence for God speaks through their actions. Although I WANT to veil, I am very timid to do so because of reactions from others. This video makes me even more nervous because it seems like there are people who insinuate that women who veil are somehow trying to gain attention....This makes me both uneasy with the direction of our church, and sad that such a beautiful act (veiling) is now being turned into something “vain”. I have considered veiling to be a physical act of showing respect to the Eucharist, and sacrifice of Christ. I will pray about it some more, speak with other women of my parish, and discuss it with my priest’s thoughts on this....and maybe watch less videos on TH-cam 😕
Hi Gypsy
I hope you find the courage to veil.
I really believe that the Holy Spirit is calling many women to veil.
I am wondering if its a response to all the "gender fluidity" stuff in pop culture.
When I veil, I feel that I am affirming that I am made to be a woman. Mother Mary is veiled. I want to be like She who is most blessed among women.
I don't think men are superior to women.
I think God created man & woman different from one another. Different roles. I strongly believe that women should never be made priests. Veiling is one small way to say that I accept God's role for me, a woman.
My fiancée and i have discussed taking a more traditional route, including, kneeling when receiving Eucharist, receiving on tongue, treating God with more reverence than what we did in our past Protestant lifestyles
In terms of dreams, often nightmares are a form of attack by the enemy. Dreams are therefore not only a psychological interpration, it can also be the way the spirit world communicates with us and how the enemy may also sometimes attack. This is an important consideration also.
I think it is amazing that men assume that women are veiling because they want to. The women I know who veil, myself included, were called to do so by the Holy Spirit.
I work for Benedictine monastic community. It’s awesome. Brought me closer to god
My understanding is that it was never abrogated. We need solid clarification on this. It is a devotional on the woman's part. And it was never a sin whether you did or not.
I remember wearing hats as a child but gradually followed the crowd after Vatican II and quit wearing any head coverings. Over the last 20 years or so, some parishioners traveled overseas and were re-introduced to veils and began to wear them at Mass. I felt called to cover my head at church but many veils are SO beautiful I questioned, as Father Mike does, the reason for covering. In the end, I have chosen to wear simple hats.
#askfrmike If the Second Vatican Council states that the Eucharist is the center of Catholic worship why is Jesus in the tabernacle moved to the side or in a completely different room?
Prior to Vatican II the tabernacle was always in the center why was it moved?
Prior to Vatican 2 it wasn't always in the center. Infact for many centuries it was held in the sacristy away from everyone. You are look too much at physical outward things God doesn't care about the location of the tabernacle in the church he wants to be the center of your heart and that's it. Worship him with your heart not with your eyes
Thank you Fr. Mike I will pray for you ❤
Fr. Mike, with removal of the veil, immodesty followed. I recommend reading the "The Veil" by Fr. Robert J. Fox. My daughter and I continue to wear a veil wherever Jesus is present on the altar. It is an outward expression of reverence. We also kneel to receive Christ the King, whether at a Novus Ordo Mass and or a Traditional Latin Mass. All for the glory of God!
I am currently a practicing protestant. Veiling has been on my heart much longer than becoming Catholic. I am prohibited from veiling at my current church even though I truly believe that it is a calling from Holy Spirit. I believe it is as another person said, a movement of Holy Spirit to reclaim the dignity of communal worship. Personally, the chapel veil makes me feel closer to our heavenly Father, more focused and less distracted. In a world that daily works to strip away a person's sense of worth the veil reminds me that I am worth something to my creator who loves and cherishes me and has blessed me with sacred purpose. I asked myself how can I grow bold and courageous in the Lord by taking the easy way of going with the crowd? Right is right even if no one is doing it and wrong is still wrong even when everyone is doing it.
God bless you.
Merry Christmas too. 🎄
@@montsemajanmartinez9824 thank you! God bless you and Merry Christmas to you as well 🎄
What denomination do you belong to at the moment? I have never heard of a denomination that would actually prohibit one from veiling, given that before the 1960s, Christian females in all denominations wore headcoverings.
I got PINK ones, blue ones, purple ones (lent) gold ones, (Christmas & Easter) black ones, (good Friday) White ones, and even one with little sparkles in it :D They show us the beauty that is so lacking in modern society...devoid of lovely things.......It's better to look "out of place" than to follow the trends of a society that is in decay. (moral & cultural decay)
can you give me one of your purple ones? I need something that matches my complexion. Thanx
np :D
I was wondering if there was significance of the colour as most seem to be black or white... so this is not to do with if you are married or not?
I am not catholic but I wear a headcovering (no not mennonite etc).
I have always felt it was right, even when I was young. My mom, sisters, and I all decided to start wearing them.
If you read further into that chapter ( if I remember right it is 1 Corinthians 11) it goes on to say it is a sign of protection among the Angel's. Likening it to the blood on the doorways in the original passover. I am still trying to figure that little bit odd verses but find it fascinating that it is phrased like that.
Thanks Fr. Mike for this enlightenment about veil. I don't mind people or old ladies wearing veil during mass as long as it helps them honor God and still show their humble hearts and sincerity. thank you , Lord.
I completely agree with the answer to the dream question, out of personal experience. I had a dream that I now know with certainty was from God and I knew at the time because it was so external, so out of the blue that I knew it wasn’t my imagination. But when I had the dream I had the exact knowledge Mike was talking about. It wasn’t a question. I just knew, your not on doubt because you know you have been touched.
I have a few chapel veils purchased recently, but I can't yet bring myself to wear them to the local ordinary mass. It feels awkward because I recently came back to the church and some people knew me when I was agnostic. I want to wear the veil because it makes me feel in private communication with God and more reverent to Him. But I'm afraid it will draw undo attention. (I can't believe it matters what people think of me when it never mattered before, and I don't know most of them but am trying to).
I think I need to work on this feeling and get over it.
My priest also told me he prefers to give communion in the hand, and I would like to go back to taking it on the tongue. I think everyone is worried about hygiene, but frankly, and from what I've read, I don't think it's any less hygienic. I also want communion from the priest or deacon, not a eucharistic lay minister. We have maybe 60 people in our parish on a good Sunday, and I don't know why the priest can't deliver communion to all if the deacon isn't present. I feel the need to be more traditional with my practices.
I veil when attending Mass at churches where no one knows me or to vespers at a nearby friary.
I dreamt of my Mum night before her Requiem mass (May just gone). She had a line of light across the right shoulder to her chest and I was compelled to ask her to pray for us. I felt all the love I have for her and she has for me.
Good dream
It is a symbol of humility
you seem to touch on all the subjects I have questions about or research, another great message. I have a questions about dreams and some of the meanings.
This was very good. 1. As a female that does veil sometimes… when you do stand out.. it’s embarrassing. One time I wouldn’t even get up and go to the restroom because I knew I’d stand out and maybe distract people from the homily. I pray someday there are no judgements on how someone worships as long as they are clean and modest.
2. Finally, your dreams monologue was spot on. Sounded just like St. John C’s “Divine Ascent” Dreams are just dreams. And lower spirits can disguise themselves as angels and cause you vainglory, but if a real angel were to appear “you’d be terrified and repenting” , kind of like your line “if it was a dream from God, it’d be very different from any dream you’ve had. You’d know like Joseph did”
Agreed on both. Feeling called to the devotion of veiling shouldnt be ignored. Also, dreams that are from God are very different from "regular" dreams. There is no doubt about that.
I had a dream when I was younger that changed my life, and I always wonder if I was crazy or if it was from God. I would very much like to learn more about this!
I thought that had to do with the Bible verse that talks about a woman’s hair being her glory, so covering her “glory” in church was to show only God’s glory in worship.
Father Mike, I am so glad that you address this because I have been thinking about wearing one. I love the idea but again didn't want to stand out. I didn't want to seem like a person saying hey. Look at how pious I am. On the other hand, I know I'm not supposed to be constantly thinking about what other people think or let it affect my relationship with God. So it is a tough balance, but it's something I would like to do and I'm going to start doing it and try not to worry about what other people are thinking. It's funny because I used to sit in the back but now I'm sitting closer and closer to the front so it's even more on my mind. Thank you everybody for your comments about go ahead and just do it.
Father I woke at 4 am one morning after a very vivid and powerful dream of King David.He said he would always protect me.I will never forget it and I think about it often.I am Catholic but I spoke to a Rabbi about this dream.He suggested I have my DNA tested but I haven't done it yet.Any thoughts about this ?
Update ?
I just recently started going to the lot mass which is beyond breathtaking and moving but there’s not one female in this packed mass that does not veil. Traditional Catholic religion is so beautiful and today has become so watered down and sad I am so grateful and blessed to be worshiping back where the incense and the holy water sprinkled on us is something I completely forgot about but missed the moment I sensed it!
It was omitted, not rescinded, not removed, not changed. They just omitted it.
Well I have read that of St. Paul and never took it the way your explain it. You might want to re read it and then have some one read it to you of the veiling. I am only 54 and grew up in a very old church were veiling was big. Love your vids and many prayers
My husband looked at me like I was nuts when I bought a veil lol, but about half of the other women at my parish wear one for Novus Ordo mass. I think they're beautiful.
#askfrmike
Aloha from Hawaii Fr. Mike! First off thank you for the wisdom you share to us through your videos! The role you play to not only Catholics but to those who are being invited into the Catholic Church through the Holy Spirit's nudging is tremendous.
This leads to my questions: 1. What advice do you have for those who desire to become Catholics but due to RCIA scheduling they have to wait a while before entering into the RCIA classes? 2. What is the spiritual condition/state of those who desire to enter into the Catholic Church but are not yet members (i.e. how does God view the souls of us who are in this situation)?
Mahalo for the powerful work you do, I pray that God continues to pour out an abundance of strength for you as you fulfill this important ministry.
(I apologize in advance if you already made videos on these questions and I didn't see them.)
God Bless you too!
Ok I don’t veil and I’m glad he mentions it is not a sin not to wear one. Sometimes it can come across from commentators that those of us who don’t veil are automatically NOT being reverent. Not true. Veiling is lovely, but we have the freedom not to and still be able to honor Jesus.
As time goes by I find I’m moved to cover my head but since I attend only Ordinary Form doing it would strongly set me apart and I just don’t feel secure enough not to be distracted by this. So I’m looking at low key ways of doing it (hats, headbands) that don’t seem as out of place. I want to maintain my focus on God by doing it as innocuously and humbly as possible.
Absolutely correct.
I figure if people can come to Mass dressed all crazy or with blue hair, I can wear a Chapel veil for my Lord. I also will kneel like we used to in Mass even if everyone stands. I do it for Him alone. I do stay in back to not draw attention to myself and distract others from their worship of God.
I’m a Catholic convert who grew up in the Lutheran church in the 1960s. All women, Catholic, Lutheran, or Baptist, wore hats in church. It was expected of you.
Earlier this year on Holy Thursday I asked God what I could do to love him more and one thing that kept popping up in my head was the thought of wearing a chapel veil. I attend a Novus Ordo church and there are not many people that wear veils and of the ones that do none of them are a teenager like me. I asked God if it was really him asking me to do this that he would get everything started for me because I didnt know what I was doing. Then next day my mom actually asked me if I wanted to wear a veil to mass (with having no knowledge of my conversation with God) and I took it as a sign. A friend of mine who attends a different church and wears a veil accidentally left hers at my house while visiting and she allowed me to keep the veil so I could wear it to every mass. It really changed how I viewed going to mass and it made everything seem more sacred and beautiful everytime I walked into church. I strongly recommend trying it if you have difficulty really getting into the beauty of the mass. It may be uncomfortable at first if not many people at your parish wear a veil, but it is truly life changing.
I am a Christian but I've been covering for a few years now when I pray and go to church, and other times as well. I feel so calm and peaceful when I cover my head.
I will pass on a bit of what I know from scripture, and hopefully it will helps anyone?🤷♀️
1 Cor 11 makes it pretty clear that a woman should cover or veil her head in public worship. The word for covering in 1 Corthians 11:4, 5,6,7, 13, is the word, katakalýptō, from katá, "down, and kalýptō, "to cover"-cover down, to make appropriate (complete), i.e. to wear a veil.
It is the same word used for the veil that separated the Holy of holies from the priests.
But only in vrs 15, where Paul is giving an example from nature is a different word used, "but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering."
This is different word from the others for "cover"= "peribolaion," that which is thrown around or a mantel that can be thrown around (As in when a women tosses or throws her hair around).
Cover in the first few verses of 1 Cor 11, should really be translated veil.
This is where we get the English saying, "Let your hair down." Becuase during the "sexual revolution" women let there hair down out of thier buns, uncovered their hair and shook it back and forth.
Up until only the last two generations woman covered in Church. All of our grandmothers would have covered in church. This is why the Hutterites, Mennonites, Amish, the orthodox churches, some Catholics, a lot of African tribes, and Messiniac Beleivers, etc still cover their hair.
Here's some verses in the OT about head covering. Hope these help.
Isaiah 47:1-2. Come down and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon; sit on the ground without a throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans! For you shall no more be called tender and delicate. Take the millstones and grind flour, "put off your veil", strip off your robe, uncover your legs, pass through the rivers.
(So as we can see, even virgins were to keep their heads covered and save their hair for their husbands. Otherwise it is like they are showing all their nakedness).
Numbers 5:18. Then the priest shall stand the woman before the LORD, "uncover the woman’s head," and put the offering for remembering in her hands, which is the grain offering of jealousy. And the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that brings a curse.
Also Genesis 20:16 says in the Hebrew
Then to Sarah he said, “Behold, I have given your brother a thousand pieces of silver; indeed this is "a covering for her eyes" (to put back on her wedding covering) you before all who are with you and before everybody.” Thus she was rebuked.
From what I understand In Genesis 24:65. Rebekah covers herself because the bridal price has already been paid. 2 vrs later we see Isaac take Rebekah bright away into his tent. There was no wedding ceremony. Her covering herself was an outward show of her marriage to Isaac. Since they were married he was allowed to take her right away into his tent and "uncover" her.
I need to make a phone call to the Pope. I don't get why the Vatican 2 change the veil. I just learned about it and attended my first Latin mass. Seeing all the ladies from young to old was breathtaking. The Vatican took away something that just because they wanted attendance and didn't think that maybe the younger generation might like it. I do and it's in the bible and the respect is amazing. My view has changed and why didn't the nuns at my Catholic school talk to me about the veil. Now it's different for me.
Father ......... uh..how specific do our confessions need to be ? for example .. can I confess to lying with out specifying the lie but emphasizing the magnitude of the lie ? just tell the Confessor Father it was a biggie and it hurt people ? or just the general "gist" of the sin ? ( lying is not the sin I am really asking about... but the question applies either way )
When my dream is clear then i consider if it's message is good. All good things come from above.