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If you two want to do a deep dive on WW1 and WW2 I highly recommend listening to the "Dan Carlin's Hardcore History" podcast. Specially the following series of him: - Blueprint for Armageddon - Ghost of the Ostfront - Supernova in the East - The Destroyer of Worlds Each episode lasts from 3 to 6 hours and each series takes about 1 to 5 episodes, but if you decided to give it a go, you're in for a ride.
In the US you can find a lot of Sherman tanks parked in front of VFW buildings. Museum wis you would need to go to the U.S. Army Armor & Cavalry Collection on a visitors day (right now they just moved the collection to this location) down at Fort Benning, GA
The Fury tank is a real WW2 Sherman tank, loaned by Bovington Tank Museum in the UK. It is on display there and is regularly driven in displays. The Germans Tiger tank in the film is also the only operational one in the world also at Bovington and is brought out and driven yearly on their Tiger day
That "uncomfortable" scene actually was one of the best part of the movies it shows a lot of the characters in the movie and how much they have changed compared to civilians
Yeah. I think that the thing that caught my eye on this movie is how they portraid the loss of humanity, loss of inocense, as that being shows thorugh Norman's perspective, and showing his comrades as the "final product", of how he most likely would turn into as time passed. The girl was the first person that he cared and lost in the war, while those guys were there for so much time that their last crew member eas maybe not the first one that they lost. Really cool movie.
I felt like the dinner table scene was really important; it was at this moment with a glimpse of "normal" life, the crew realized just how much the war had changed them. Just how alien it felt to be around a normal clean home and family, and how their immediate impulse was to basically shit on it... They realized that even after the war, they would never have a "normal" life again. Wardaddy said the tank was his home. He knew his heart and mind would never not be in that tank, no matter how many years had passed. The crew realized the same was true for them, so the family stayed together through to the end.
i agree with you there, it was meant to show that how out of touch they were since they are so desensitized to death, chaos and destruction, they were the product of war. My opinion of the house scene was that it was uncomfortable since they were almost like cavemen, unresricted by boundaries and common etiquette in normal society, showing that this has happened, no doubt throughout histories in war and pillaging, but we don't know the extent or degree of it, maybe just rumors or hearsay by testimonies at best. It was also meant to show how wardaddy wanted to live a normal life but can't, while showing how Norman/Machine had the same ideal since he was new to war and death. Maybe the general audience feel uneasy and offended by this scene, but if they just dig just a little bit deeper, they will understand that it's war, that's how it was/it is, certainly was immoral, but whether they liked it or not is irrelevant.
@@akmalrusydi2730 I mean it definitely happened, a lot. When you devolve men into their more basic instincts, it includes the whole package. The Russians were notoriously bad about it, probably correlates with how brutally they were under siege by the Germans, but no doubt Americans were also part of it as well their own home country wasn't in ruin like everybody else in Europe was. I'm glad they didn't gloss over it, albeit they did make it Hollywood presentable, because it showed everything that went on during war times. The silliness of soldier's letting off stream, the women, it's all part of the "history is violent" Wardaddy was talking about.
You said that so much better than I could have. I was so disappointed at the girl's naive reaction, I almost stopped watching. At 39:35 ish she makes a great observation/connection though.
@@peters4115 It happened a lot and it's still happening to this very day. I don't know how they thought it was a weird scene, I guess they're out of touch with reality.
Norman’s first kill was not a war crime because the guy he shot was being executed for wearing the enemy’s uniform. The Geneva convention specifically says that is not allowed and can be punished by summary execution.
Summary executions are a war crime so it was a war crime. Wearing enemy uniform also doesn't cover just wearing singular pieces of enemy uniform. It has to be to trick the enemy into thinking you're one of them and then engaging in combat while doing so.
I’m not sure wearing an enemy coat to stay warm falls within the spirit of that rule given he was still in Wermacht uniform and could easily be identified as a German soldier.
Normans first kill is 100% a war crime. Under a trial by courts martial, extenuating circumstances would have likely exonerated him, and damned SSG Colier.
he was still in uniform and shooting at them, though he wasn’t a spy and he wasn’t trying to infiltrate anything, that’s just an unrecorded warcrime lmao
I was a Army tanker and did one tour in Iraq. Tank crews quickly become family. You have to be in tune with one another to effectively operate the tank. Favorite Tank Quote. IF THE TANK IS OUT OF COMMISSION, BECOME A PILLBOX. OUT OF AMMO, BECOME A BUNKER. OUT OF TIME, BECOME HEROES.
The been in the army for 8 weeks means he just got out of training. He probably hadn't been "in theater" for more than the time it took to travel to that spot. Also, something most people miss. The movie covers one full 24 day. It stars at sunrise after a battle where Fury was the only survivor just like in that fight against the German tank later in the film, and ends sunrise the next day after the crossroads battle.
Love this movie. In regard to the uncomfortable stuff,considering there’s serious issues with sexual harassment and assault in the modern military committed against fellow soldiers; you know it’s going to happen exponentially more often against people seen as the enemy. Which is why you hear about all the horrible shit happening in Nam, Russians in Ukraine, etc.
It's that way in essentially every war. People need to see comments like yours. Films show things in a way to imply what the reality is like, but without actually traumatizing the audience. I think a lot of people don't realize that's what's going on. If they showed what really happens, people wouldn't be able to sit through it.
@@seezar100Sometimes it was. Sometimes it was a lot like this. It's still coercive and therefore rape, but it's not always violent. War is part of human reproduction. It's an ugly part, but it's there.
15:54 A true fact about why they shot the German soldier: In the rules of war, a soldier wearing the uniform or clothing of the enemy army automatically forfeits the right to be a prisoner of war and may be shot on sight.
Wrong all the way around. Where on Earth are you pulling that from? You think that all POWs took off their uniforms during an engagement so that they can be captured safely? WTF.
For the most part you can pick your MOS which is basically your job. But the choices come down to a variety of things from ASVAB score to what’s available at the time. Some people get several options and others get maybe two or three.
Conscript army in WWII was probably different. Like current-day choice of duty station, you probably said what you wanted to do, and they decided where you went based on your evaluated skills and the needs of the military.
@@Stevarooni if you were drafted you didn’t get a choice of anything. That’s one reason why the majority of people voluntarily signed up during ww2 at least they got some of the decision making ability that way.
My recruiter told me my ASVAB scores said I was qualified for any MOS I wanted. I told him I wanted infantry and he looked at me like I was nuts. Guess he thought I was making a bad choice. 😂
Even modern day you always go through basic combat training in the Army. You are always a Soldier first, job description second. Just in case let's say your base is attacked, go out on a convoy, etc etc.
My grandpa fought in Italy, France and Germany during WW2. He never spoke of it, all the stories I heard I read about later in the book of his regiment (A Story of Regiment 179th Infantry Regiment) I do remember that anytime my mom asked that he'd just go quiet. The horror of this war can't even be described.
Their last stand at the crossroads seems so insignificant to the others on the crew except for Don. He’s the only one that knows that a couple thousand peoples lives are at risk if they don’t hold the crossroad. Speaks a lot to the blind loyalty of the crew, thinking that they may be about to die just to give an SS battalion the best battle they can. Goes to show a lot that went with being a leader in these kinds of wars. You can’t always say the hard thing. Just give orders and live with them
Lanzareth Ridge. A handful of American troops held up the SS as they were trying to reach Bastogne during the battle of the bulge. The few that were captured were killed by the Germans
18:40 theres a bunch of WW2 documentaries with old 1940s film/footage refurbished in HD and color. (2009 WWII in HD) theres a couple more on netflix. 18:30 this clip in Fury where the tank track is running over a compressed body in the mud is actually an reenactment from real WW2 footage taken during the war.
You mentioned Jason Isaac's accent. Most people don't realize that our regional accents came with our forebearers from the old world. For example, the stereotypical "southern" accent came from a region in northern England. The antebellum planters spoke similar to the stereotypical black cultural dialect that we hear today, such as "I be", instead of "I am", and "we be" instead of "we are"; using plural verbs with singular nouns, and visa versa. It makes sense that since the slaves learned English from their owners, they would speak the same. And this was passed on through the generations. Thomas Sowell wrote about this in one of his many books.
From what I heard/read, the director of this movie, went around and interview American and Canadian (because they used the sherman tank as well), tank crews. He then took those stories and used pieces of their stories, to make this movie. So while dramatized, there are 'true' part to/in it.
There are so many great war movies. Two of my favorites are "Platoon" (Vietnam), and "Enemy at the Gates" (WWII, the russian front). Some fun ones are "Kelly's Heroes" with Clint Eastwood, or anything based on Alistair MacLean's books like "Where Eagles Dare," "The Guns of Navarone," or "Ice Station Zebra."
Films like Kelly's Heroes, Where Eagles Dare, The Great Escape are far more rewatchable than modern war films. While they obviously don't have realistic action scenes, the characters and dialogue are far more memorable. There is literally zero quotable dialogue in Fury, Saving Private Ryan etc.
This is by far my favorite war film. The last shot, of Norman looking out the window, starring back at Fury - is one of the most hauntingly depressing images I have ever seen.. Despite all the dramatization, there's no doubt that things like this happened. Stories that remain untold, because it was either too hard to tell, or too hard to hear.. Just imagine someone survivng that. Decades later, while they sit alone in their old age, silently in the night. The one thing their mind replays over and over; it's not the violence, or the death, or the smell of gunpowder and cannon fire. It's just that image; the memory of starring out the back of that truck, at their tank - while it slowly disappears into the distance as they are driven away. Their mind doesn't need to focus exclusively on the death or violence or the smell of gunpowder. All of it, is encapsulated in the mind within that one image, that one memory.. It's a shame how we treated the boys that came back from that war. A failure of our society. They came back and we just let them rot. No one wanted to lend any compassion, to listen to their stories and endure the knowledge of what they went though. But they needed it. They needed to get it out, to have people listen, and care, and we gave them nothing. It was hard to talk about, to get them to open up, but no one encouraged them. No one encouraged them to talk about it, because it was too hard to hear, because "no one wants to hear stories about bodies getting blown to pieces." So we treated them like they didn't exist. We let them suffer in silence, alone with their thoughts, the memories of what they had done, what they were forced to do, and the knowledge that no one back home gives a shit...
@@mediumvillain I mean yes, but at least with the conflicts of recent years, there have been much much more outreach to help veterans and their families whereas in WWI and WWII there was virtually none.
@@mediumvillain It's really a shame people love this highly innacurate American propaganda movie. Or do you truly believe highly trained SS battalion cannot hit a disabled tank with several crates of Panzerfaust? There was a reason the Germans called the Sherman : Tommy cooker, amongst other things.
When soldiers returned home they received the GI Bill though-which allowed them to go to school, or learn a trade, and buy a home. If people want to look down at someone with one leg, as long as he has money in his pocket and can support himself he doesn’t care what they say about him. Now, if you’re talking about the treatment they received as far as mental support well then yeah no one got that but they didn’t understand PTSD and mental health. If you really want to talk about lack of support, in every sense, say that to the black soldiers who returned home-where the GI Bill did not apply to them. Say what you want about race and me bringing that up, but that is truly fucked up.
@@brooklynbutter5357 As far as im concerned ALL soldiers didnt get anywhere the help, support, and treatment they required. Even today the government doesnt provide to service people what should be provided, and its up to us setting up foundations like Wounded Warrior to get them the care they need, when its truly the governments job to do it. The GI-bill is worthless garbage in my opinion. Going to school is going to be hard enough with that insane PTSD let alone attempting to work at the job they are going to school for. I am someone who for most of my life wanted to enlist until i realized what the military industrial complex was, and the true purpose of war. It's not to fight for some ideal like peace or freedom. Those in charge may wage war in its name, but thats not the purpose of the fighting. The men and women on the ground, killing each other - that fighting is done for the sake of the killing itself. Their job there isnt to fight for freedom or peace; it's to mindlessly slaughter other human beings. That is, of course, why military training is meant to turn you into an emotionless robot without compassion. If you truly recognize the humanity of your enemy, you wouldnt be able to murder them.
Recommendation: "Downfall" (Der Untergang) - best foreign language academy award (Germany) - German Film depicting Hitler's (and his entourage) final days in the Reichstag Bunker. Interesting watching the last days from the German perspective, and the literal downfall of both the "empire" as Hitler's psyche.
I'm a tanker and while I hate that we are portrayed as Bible thumping hillbillies, they did get two things right. 1. Your tank is your home. Death before dismount. 2. The commands in combat. There's no small talk. The only person talking is the TC (tank commander) and he's giving very precise orders. Often he won't even say names, just "driver, hard left" or "gunner, traverse right" because taking an extra second to remember the name of your crewmembers can be life or death. In the midst of it, all you hear is "Fire!" and "On the way!"
Fun Fact: The first tank built was the Salinas Tank made by Mexico but never actually saw combat, it was a light tank shell with an open front where they would put a cannon for it weapons
DRAFT time placements are based on needs of the service. SOMETIMES they go by test scores. IN-THEATER also has needs. You might show up to do your MOS (military occupational specialty) but get "voluntold" to go do something else temporarily or until your deployment is complete. Maritime enlistments have two routes. General contract, meaning they choose for you, usually based of scores but also subject to "needs of the service" which is usually infantry. The NORMAL enlistment follows a basic series of events. Mental and physical testing well before attending a "boot camp" (different for each service), background checks and waivers for various occupations. They frown on folks with multiple misdemeanors or financial issues taking jobs that require a security clearance. Most MOSs have a "pipeline" before an enlistee is qualified for placement in a deployable unit. Some jobs may only have one MOS granting school. Others have a year plus in various schools before FINALLY being able to deploy with a unit. You still have to rotate into other jobs temporarily to "share the wealth," like mess duty and F'n combat cargo. My personal experience, I went through the longest avionics pipeline for a cushy job in an air conditioned van doing micro-miniature soldering only to have my orders changed a week before graduation to become the knuckle-dragging hero aircrew that I am. This added a few schools to my new pipeline and gave me an additional two MOSs. But hey, I got to work outdoors and hang out of a helicopter on a machine gun. Every kid's dream. Best job I ever had.
I feel like I’ve heard y’all say you’re in Texas, you can absolutely do that here in Texas haha, DriveTanks in Uvalde, company lets you drive and even shoot tank cannons, old guns, they’ve got all sorts of toys. Specifically from this era. “Unleash the Fury” is literally a package deal they let you shoot a Sherman(the tank in the movie)
When it comes to jobs, not sure how they did it back in WWII but present day, there's an aptitude test (ASVAB) that we took prior to service. Based on test scores and availability they give us a list to choose from. Ranger and Airborne are special schools. Airborne you can get added to your contract when you enlist, if you get attached to an AIrborne unit it's required, or you can request school based on performance and availability- same with air assault. Spec-Ops, Civila Affairs, Psy-Ops, and 17C are special jobs that you have to put in a packet for. (17C is a very interesting one. They triangulate an area and jam all signals within the area.)
It's tough to get a guaranteed job assignment (USMC or Army MOS, Air Force or Space Force AFSC, or Navy NEC). Those are usually based upon military entrance test scores or shrewd negotiations with recruiters followed by black-and-white ink on paper. Most enlisted members enter "open contract" meaning you are assigned a job based upon the needs of the military. This is especially true during times of war.
Even today modern military stresses the basic soldier or marine skills above all else. You are a Marine or Soldier first then your specific job. You are exacted to know basic combat skills and if ever needed to do combat do it effectively almost as good as infantrymen.
Watching your reaction of WW2 films and the desire to learn more about it is inspiring. I watched the older WW2 films and decided I wanted to learn more by reading the books and accounts that the movies were based on. I highly recommend you read the book called the Longest Day by Cornelius Ryan. Both movie and book are good depiction of the scale of D Day and the events that lead up to it.
Back when I was enlisted Kacee, when you first took your basic theory test to get in to the army, you could choose to take additional tests to see if you qualified for more specific work instead of just infantry. I took 3 additional tests to see if I could qualify to be an engineer, an electrician or I.T./system support. I passed the electrical and the computers, but not the engineering. So I picked I.T. So I still had to first train as infantry, then once that was done I was off to train in systems. Got myself a higher security clearance as a side bonus, considering what I'd be working on. So that's how it worked at around 2005 in the New Zealand army anyways
24:48, for some reason in WW2, Vietnam, Korea, etc "War Brides" was a phenomenon, thousands of them and it really did happen in most cases just like this. It's odd, but war really does change society around it. It's brutal, and violent. It gives you the icks, squirms, and the gut-wrenching feeling of grief.
As I understand it Germany was particularly flush with "war brides". Americans got along well with German women who were down a whole lot of men and happy to be done with the war.
I was in the marines for a few years, you don't pick where you want to go, you're assigned to a specific unit based on your skills. When people join the military, we take an aptitude test called the ASVAB. Based on how you do on that test, is where you're sent. Basically everyone is trained as Infantry, but after Boot camp, you're sent to another base to start your other job training. But the test doesn't just limit people to just Infantry, based on how you did on the ASVAB, you get multiple options. On my ASVAB, I qualified for three options: Infantry, machine gunner and Amphibious craft gunner. I picked Infantry and after my first tour, I trained as a Machine Gunner, and since I was stationed at Camp Pendleton, I didn't have to move since the training was at Pendleton.
As of today you walk in the recruiters office and take an asvab test to determine the mos’s (jobs within the military) available to you , the higher the more offered, so you do choose your job but I know people who’s jobs got changed during bootcamp, then you go to school for that job after boot and mct (for marines) after you complete the school you get a preference sheet within three things…. Overseas,west,east you put them in the order you want, so in the end it all comes down to where they need you, if they have an open spot they’ll put you where you wanted but as you can see you can’t choose a specific country/state
Take an ASVAB test to get a score. Talked to the recruiter after my results and chose open contract in Support. They put me in the MOS where they needed people which was Field Artillery Cannoneer. Didn't choose my duty station since I wasn't top of the class so they put me wherever they wanted. Walked into anything without knowing anything and rolled with it.
The German stick grenade that kills Brad Pitt is not a shrapnel grenade like the US "Pineapple" grenade, which is why he has no shrapnel wound. German stick grenade is a concussion type.
So when I joined the Marines I wanted to be a tanker so I chose combat support when I signed up (my recruiter said he would pull strings and get me tanks) I ended up getting placed in field artillery because the Marines only guaranteed a job field, with the Army when you sign up you have a guaranteed job in what you wanted. The reason for using an admin guy as a tanker was because they weee short on people on the front so they took the people who normally wouldn’t be in combat and used them for more troops.
@@John_Locke_108 nah I got to do pretty much everything I wanted in Artillery, my friends in Tanks did almost nothing (especially on deployment since they didn’t use tanks in Afghanistan when I went)
I volunteered for the Air Force and got to pick my AFSC (career field) so long as I qualified. Draftees were placed where needed. That's why I volunteered before being drafted. 😮😊
IMO this movie has one of the most accurate depictions of war, especially in the scene where he tells the crew of Fury to go, he has to stop the column of enemy infantry those are his orders but he wont sacrifice his men, but they stay anyway. A quote from an old game I used to play “There is no honor or glory in War. There is only Death.”
Agreed. I think people get overblown by the colour of the tracers and some of the other stylistic choices, but I think this is a phenomenal depiction of what it's like to be in a tank under a variety of challenging scenarios. I see it kind of like Memphis Belle- it would be unusual for one person to see/do everything depicted, but in 3 years of war I could imagine each of these things (or something close to it) happening.
Yeah, it's accurate on the brotherhood of tankers. The combat scenes are hit or miss on accuracy. The first tank assault on the tree line was fairly accurate. The shermans versus tiger fight wasn't. The 76mm gun on fury would have punched right through the front of a Tiger at that point in the war. Hell, even the 75mm would haven't been a guaranteed block by the front armor on the tiger.
When I served ('82-'88) based on your testing results, you could have a greater or lesser amount of options for your Military Occupational Specialty (MOS). I scored in a relatively high percentile range so had more choices. I chose 54E (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical Warfare Specialist) for two main reasons: I found the subject matter interesting and the MOS had one of the highest sign-up bonuses at the time.
To a degree, yes, you kind of get to decide where you go. I'm not sure on the American testing part, but in the UK we take a test called the barb test. You list your 3 choices. For me, it was K9 (search and rescue), 2nd was a crewman in the armoured corps, and 3rd was basic infantry. I didn't score enough for my first choice and ended up in the Royal Tank Regiment as a crewman in the Challenger 2 with 7 years of service total. I'm sure you have this kind of test to determine what role and branch you'd end up in, so yes.
You get to choose your Military Occupational Specialty with your recruiter but a lot of times they lie and when you get to boot camp you get told your MOS was filled and you get open contract, meaning anywhere they need you. Happened to me. Enticed me with a Data Systems mos, but instead got combat engineer. Loved every bit of it.
When I originally enlisted my recruiter made it very clear that whatever my orders were it would be "according to the needs of the Navy" but it certainly didn't hurt scoring high on the ASVAB which potentially qualifies you for more advanced rates that you can go into like Nav ET's (Navigation Electronics Tech), ST's (Sonar Techs) or even Cryptologists.
I am from the city of Eindhoven, episode 4 Band of Brothers. Our grandparents told all the stories, good memories and very bad ones. Some elderly, still would hide under the table on war remembrance days, when old WW2 bombers flew over. I visited Bastogne, and the French coast, where still the giant German bunkers remain. Endless fields with war graves. There are pieces of land in Belgium and northern France, filled with bomb craters from WW1.
***YES*** There is a WWII Sherman Tank at our local National Guard Armory Out in front of the Building. And a M48 Tank from Viet Nam era. I was told that they Both are kept in Working order.
Great movie even if some people knock it for minor historical inaccuracies. As a veteran my favorite scene has always been when they’re sharing the bottle of whiskey right before the SS battalion shows up, always makes me miss my brothers I served with and how much fun we had together.
To answer your question about the military: You can get a job guaranteed in your contract when you enlist and sometimes your location/duty station, but mostly they send you to wherever the "needs of the Army" dictate.
Yeah we've got multiple museums in england where you can go inside of the old tanks and aircrafts to see what it was like, i can only assume america and other places would have them also
The last stand scene in Fury is based on a British Tank called "Fray Bentos" which during WW1 held up the German Army for 60 hours during the Battle of Passchendaele
4:59 To answer this question, it depends. Through the years it’s changed, and when we are at full scale war like this you get very little say. It’s more important to put warm bodies on the front lines to keep the unit strength up. Now days, the Army will let you sign a contract for a specific job for a certain amount of years and a bonus. The catch is that the job you want may not be available. And the more desirable jobs have lower signing bonuses.
_"Ideals are peaceful, history's violent."_ As some who REALLY likes history and knows a decent amount about, that is complete truth. More so a "No duh" statement realistically, but I'm learning as I get older, A LOT of people today know very little about the history of our species. History is VERY violent.
Military jobs(now) are decided pretty early on, you go through MEPS, qualify for x amount of jobs, put in for y amount of potential jobs and end up with z, do basic, technical school, then you’re in that job. That’s the most basics of it. Some jobs take a lot longer, some require different schools, more training. Now I’m pretty certain back then, it was a lot less, organized in that sense since the war was already going on and they needed bodies. I don’t know how *real* this is in that they picked a clerk to join a tank crew, but I’m also not a WWII(or I expert). Now a days though, there’s a process, even processes to change occupation and offers to join new styles of things. Especially with the more things you’re certified in.
7:40 GREAT pod..my only watch of his pod, but i LOVED seeing the rawness/vulnerability and owning up/growth from Shia..seemed genuine. Everyone deserves a chance to change for the better
13:00 what's happening in this scene is an American infantry platoon were pinned down in that field and the tanks came un to rescue them. The germans had multiple machine guns fixed on them.
The 5 man crew of a WW2 Sherman tank were: Tank Commander (Pitt), Gunner (LaBouf), Loader (Bernthal), Driver (Pena), Asst Driver/Radio Operator/Bow gunner (Lerman).
Watching Fury "for the first time", right. 35:20 "No matter how many times I watch this movie this part makes me emotional". I knew all these videos were fake af.
Not a war movie but one of my favorite Shia Labeouf movies is The Greatest Game Ever Played (2005). Good flick, I recommend it whether you react to it or not.
Fun fact: The Tiger Tank that was featured in this film is Tiger 131. It was actually captured by the British in Tunisia during WWII. It is now preserved and kept at a museum in England. It is the only remaining Tiger I tank that is still functional. Using it in the film actually provided the museum with a lot of funds and proceeds for spare parts and maintenance costs.
That part closer to the beginning where Norman is forced to shoot the surrendering German soldier, I used to think the same way like "Aren't prisoners protected?" But I found out that one of the rules of war is you don't dress up like your enemy to avoid capture. If a soldier is found by his opposing side wearing their uniform, it is seen as a crime punishable by death, and he could've still been taken prisoner but the troops that found him decided otherwise, so technically there was no crime.
Regarding whether you can choose where you want to go and what job you want to do, to some extent you can--e.g., create a "wish list." And the atmosphere around that can be different in war versus peace time. For some jobs like the Rangers, you have to make it through a lot of additional training/"weeding out" before you can be a part of a unit like that. Also, if someone scores higher on the ASVAB test, it's more likely that they'll be allowed to take on the kind of job that might require a higher level of technical expertise. Of course, a higher rank and more time in service, or having a job/expertise that is in short supply, can help as well.
4:56 I was in the Army for 7 years. Sometimes you can put in a request of where you’d liked to get stationed. But at the end of the day it really depends on the needs of the Army. If they need you somewhere they’ll put you there whether you like it or not 😂
@kacee reference the job question ❓ In the Army, you have a MOS Military occupational specialty. Your job. But in times of War, every soldier and marine can be used as an Infantry grunt if needed. Example - I was an MP, but in Iraq, did tower guard, gun truck, training, biometric and was even a medic( though not a good one)
I'm a dog..high school we were the Huskies. "Not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog". My mom's uncle was in WWII she said when he came back he had to get to a mental health facility cause he was so traumatized from the war and had PTSD. Said when he got back he would sleep in backyard and not in the house.
You can indeed go and see life Sherman easy 8s (M4A3(76)W) I think there is even a tiger 1 and king tiger 2 at a British museum! OW and some working t34 85s in the USA too!
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War daddy was the tank commander , Bible was main gunner, coon-a$$ was the loader for the main gun and mechanic, Gordo was the driver , and Norman was assistant driver and machine gunner
Great reaction you guys!! I like your legitimate reaction and the fact that you don't over do it just to get people's attention and likes!! I can't wait to see your band of brothers' reactions. Especially Episode 9, such a tough episode!
"Did you get a say, or did they just put you wherever?" Well, I can only speak based on what my grandpa told me (he died when I was 10), but it was basically "you went where they sent you, and did what you were told". And while it's obviously dramatized since it's a movie, some of what you see in Fury actually isn't far off from what my grandpa would tell me (I'm talking the pants-shitting terror of battle, the aftermath, and the skeevy stuff that happened after they liberated that town early in the movie). Maybe he had a hunch his clock was winding down, but for whatever reason, my grandpa basically trauma dumped a ton of stuff on me about his time in the 10th Mountain Division (they fought in Italy, not Germany), and it's been seared in my memory all this time, since it's the kind of stuff no 9/10 year old kid should ever hear, but he treated me like I was a priest at a confessional, spilled his guts, and that shit was _disturbing AF_
I was a 12 Bravo in the army that was a combat engineer. When you join the military you take a test. The results of that test gives you your MOS or “job“ options you can pick from. From that point you go to the designated base for Boot camp. Mine was at Ft Leonard wood Missouri. Infantry is Ft Benning Georgia. After boot camp and AIT you graduate then get sent to a unit that needs you. I was sent to Ft Riley Kansas First Infantry division. I joined during a time of war so I actually went with people who were in my basic training class. We spent a year at Riley and then went to NTC for Desert training. After that we got black leave for two weeks then was deployed to Iraq. My unit was sent to Mosul Iraq. The Combat Engineers job was to clear the roads of IED’s and enemy ambushes so everyone else can safely move through the city. I was blown up 12 times by IED’s and eventually was wounded in action. Ended up spending a year in a hospital in Germany then another 2+ years at Brooks army medical center in San Antonio Texas. I hope that helps paint a picture of how it started and ended. I was also in Iraq the day Saddam was hung I remember it like it was yesterday it was literally on my birthday. No one was allowed to leave the FOB’s except 12 bravos and it was crazy cuz half the city was celebrating his death and the other side was pissed. I have a ton of stories from my time over there some good and some I probably shouldn’t talk about here. I will say this after everything I went through the friends I lost I don’t hate the people there. I actually made friends with some of them. If you want to know anything else feel free to ask.
Idk if anyone chimed in the comments about “can you request where to be stationed”. You can request it but it’s unlikely to get it when you first join in. First duty station you don’t have a say in it just gotta tough it out. Not tryna dive too much into this part but in a nutshell if a base has a slot open for your MOS you can request to go there.
4:49 well if you want to be a tanker you go to tanker school in the army, or mainly known as "Armor School". If you want to be a ranger then that's special forces and it's a process to reach that.
@16:10 wearing an enemy's uniform was a violation of the rules of war back then (I don't know if it still is now) but, he was up to the discretion of who was in charge, and a kill was his result of wearing the US army uniform. (it wasn't a war crime)
Scott Eastwood is also in this movie. He is the guy eating standing behind Brad Pitt when he makes Norman shoot the German in the back. He gets shot and killed by the mg42 machine gun , that's hiding in the basement, after they stop and ask the elderly German for directions, who is subsequently shot by the German sniper for being a traitor for attempting to help the Americans. It's not a long part in the movie but long enough to recognize him.
It's _expensive_ ($1k+) you can go to "Drive Tanks" in Texas to drive one of several different tanks and shoot the main guns, including a few from WW2.
Fact about tank warfare. The commander gives all the orders to the troops inside for their roles to work as one fighting machine. If you eliminate the commander, you also take out the tanks' capability to function as one. Most tank battles did this as a tactical advantage. Once the commander was K.I.A, the crew would sometimes surrender or abandon the tank
Rough estimate for WW2 was 33% volunteered for the army I would guess they had a small say in where they were sent.. The 66% were drafted witch is a nice way of saying Forced and my guess is they would be send where ever bodys where needed..
If you don't think British/Scots can do American accents you must have forgotten Ewan McGregor and Christian Bale both have noticeable accents in their native tongues. I half suspect most people don't even realize Bale is British.
That's what I get for waiting until the end to comment. Even so, Daniel Davies (Nigel on "The Nanny", and Moriarty on ST:TNG) isn't British, and Michael Mckeen has done a few convincing portrayals of British accents, notably "This is Spinal Tap" and "Good Omens".
I heard back in WW2 if you volunteered you got a say in which branch you went in to. I don't think that was the case if you were drafted. I'm not certain on that though.
25:50 is a scene of pure ptsd they all holding on too sumthing to keep the human in them alive and not turn into full on animals or insane 🔥 love this movie
You can (in theory anyway) request to be stationed at a specific place but it's Far from a guarantee. Hell even if you have it in writing the military can still rescind it for their own needs. Your job you get to pick, as long as there are openings for it. Though again, under certain circumstances, you can be shuffled around if the military has such need.
This movie got its inspiration from the book "Death Traps" which is widely regarded by historians are being a total piece of shit when it comes to depictions of the Sherman tank. Fury's gun was powerful enough to penetrate the frontal armour of a Tiger at the distance shown in this movie. American tank crewmen also didn't suffer staggering losses. 3% of American armour crews were casualties. Being in a Sherman was among the safest combat jobs that a soldier could have and the Sherman had the highest survival rate of any tank in the war when knocked out.
When I was in high school we were shown a series called "World at War". I don't remember how many episodes it had. I believe there was one for each theater, and one called "Holocaust". It was literally shown on a film projector. (that's how old I am, lol) I don't know if they were shown in all schools, or perhaps we had a history teacher that thought we needed reality. It's a very real, brutal look at WWII, especially the Holocaust episode. I don't remember all of it, but I do remember seeing the film of the skeleton-thin living and dead bodies. One shot of a bulldozer pushing bodies into a grave, etc. I seriously doubt today's parents would allow their precious babies to see these films... but they should.
About the specific place in the army its kinda chaotic aspecially during war. I suggest they were on the line and there you take what they give you and they give something they dont need (writier) in this case.
'I feel like they should have had all the ammo in the tank', damn right. That's the first thing I thought when I saw this. I don't care how cramped it makes you, every box of ammo goes inside the tank, period.
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The German soldier that they wanted Norman to shoot was caught wearing an American Gi Coat so he was technically a spy.
If you two want to do a deep dive on WW1 and WW2 I highly recommend listening to the "Dan Carlin's Hardcore History" podcast. Specially the following series of him:
- Blueprint for Armageddon
- Ghost of the Ostfront
- Supernova in the East
- The Destroyer of Worlds
Each episode lasts from 3 to 6 hours and each series takes about 1 to 5 episodes, but if you decided to give it a go, you're in for a ride.
In the US you can find a lot of Sherman tanks parked in front of VFW buildings. Museum wis you would need to go to the U.S. Army Armor & Cavalry Collection on a visitors day (right now they just moved the collection to this location) down at Fort Benning, GA
americans don't leave fellow soldiers behind. ever. hence they stayed
Overlord and Inglorious Bastards are great alternative history WWII movies.
The Fury tank is a real WW2 Sherman tank, loaned by Bovington Tank Museum in the UK. It is on display there and is regularly driven in displays. The Germans Tiger tank in the film is also the only operational one in the world also at Bovington and is brought out and driven yearly on their Tiger day
Loaned for a Fee.
Tiger 131 captured by allied forces in Africa, Incredible to see this still working. All the tanks and equipment!
I literally just came back from there and today is the Tiger day and both Tiger and Fury were driving around!
@@mkuiwaterman6983 Shocked that the transmission hasn't given out.
@@65cj55 the owner of the museum was really excited to see his tanks in a Hollywood movie. He lend them to the directors for free
That "uncomfortable" scene actually was one of the best part of the movies it shows a lot of the characters in the movie and how much they have changed compared to civilians
Yeah. I think that the thing that caught my eye on this movie is how they portraid the loss of humanity, loss of inocense, as that being shows thorugh Norman's perspective, and showing his comrades as the "final product", of how he most likely would turn into as time passed. The girl was the first person that he cared and lost in the war, while those guys were there for so much time that their last crew member eas maybe not the first one that they lost. Really cool movie.
What uncomfortable scene are y'all talking about
@Cyraxx1989 the dinner scene with the 2 German girls and the rest of crew coming in and interrupts them
I felt like the dinner table scene was really important; it was at this moment with a glimpse of "normal" life, the crew realized just how much the war had changed them. Just how alien it felt to be around a normal clean home and family, and how their immediate impulse was to basically shit on it...
They realized that even after the war, they would never have a "normal" life again. Wardaddy said the tank was his home. He knew his heart and mind would never not be in that tank, no matter how many years had passed. The crew realized the same was true for them, so the family stayed together through to the end.
i agree with you there, it was meant to show that how out of touch they were since they are so desensitized to death, chaos and destruction, they were the product of war. My opinion of the house scene was that it was uncomfortable since they were almost like cavemen, unresricted by boundaries and common etiquette in normal society, showing that this has happened, no doubt throughout histories in war and pillaging, but we don't know the extent or degree of it, maybe just rumors or hearsay by testimonies at best. It was also meant to show how wardaddy wanted to live a normal life but can't, while showing how Norman/Machine had the same ideal since he was new to war and death. Maybe the general audience feel uneasy and offended by this scene, but if they just dig just a little bit deeper, they will understand that it's war, that's how it was/it is, certainly was immoral, but whether they liked it or not is irrelevant.
@@akmalrusydi2730 I mean it definitely happened, a lot. When you devolve men into their more basic instincts, it includes the whole package. The Russians were notoriously bad about it, probably correlates with how brutally they were under siege by the Germans, but no doubt Americans were also part of it as well their own home country wasn't in ruin like everybody else in Europe was. I'm glad they didn't gloss over it, albeit they did make it Hollywood presentable, because it showed everything that went on during war times. The silliness of soldier's letting off stream, the women, it's all part of the "history is violent" Wardaddy was talking about.
Can't believe that whole scene went over their head.
You said that so much better than I could have. I was so disappointed at the girl's naive reaction, I almost stopped watching. At 39:35 ish she makes a great observation/connection though.
@@peters4115 It happened a lot and it's still happening to this very day. I don't know how they thought it was a weird scene, I guess they're out of touch with reality.
Norman’s first kill was not a war crime because the guy he shot was being executed for wearing the enemy’s uniform. The Geneva convention specifically says that is not allowed and can be punished by summary execution.
Shot as a SPY....
Summary executions are a war crime so it was a war crime. Wearing enemy uniform also doesn't cover just wearing singular pieces of enemy uniform. It has to be to trick the enemy into thinking you're one of them and then engaging in combat while doing so.
I’m not sure wearing an enemy coat to stay warm falls within the spirit of that rule given he was still in Wermacht uniform and could easily be identified as a German soldier.
Normans first kill is 100% a war crime. Under a trial by courts martial, extenuating circumstances would have likely exonerated him, and damned SSG Colier.
he was still in uniform and shooting at them, though
he wasn’t a spy and he wasn’t trying to infiltrate anything, that’s just an unrecorded warcrime lmao
I was a Army tanker and did one tour in Iraq. Tank crews quickly become family. You have to be in tune with one another to effectively operate the tank.
Favorite Tank Quote.
IF THE TANK IS OUT OF COMMISSION, BECOME A PILLBOX. OUT OF AMMO, BECOME A BUNKER. OUT OF TIME, BECOME HEROES.
Best job I ever had! 1AD, Germany (Iraq) 2002-2005
That's the most badass tanker quote I've ever heard what was your mos?
Was your mos 1812?
@@johnballentine6638 my MOS was 19 Kilo
@bobbypartida3375 well respect to veterans fyi I'm thinking of doing mos 1812 m1a1 tank crewman and I'm 14 ig not all gen z is a lost cause
When Grady said "It's called war! Do you feel it?", that was so powerful ngl
When War Daddy said: "It's Fury-ing time!" - that was monumental, ngl either.
Hands down my favorite moment in any war movie.
There is such depth and emotion to the statement.
@@spddracer You're right bro, his words, emotions clearly explains the meaning of "War makes man mad"
@@rooseveltingudam6354 More like there are no rules in war.
@@VG-fk6nk Gay
The been in the army for 8 weeks means he just got out of training. He probably hadn't been "in theater" for more than the time it took to travel to that spot.
Also, something most people miss. The movie covers one full 24 day. It stars at sunrise after a battle where Fury was the only survivor just like in that fight against the German tank later in the film, and ends sunrise the next day after the crossroads battle.
Never knew that
I love Shia’s acting in this movie. He really looks like a person who is dead inside
Weird guy IRL, but, I haven't seen him give a bad performance in anything. Check out Lawless if you haven't seen it. Epic movie that nobody watched.
@@st0n3p0ny Lawless is one of the best movies I've ever seen. Tom Hardy is great, and Shia is good, too.
@@st0n3p0ny And never thought I’d hate Guy Pearce so much but he played the villain so well the definition of a POS😂👍satisfying ending lol
@@st0n3p0nyim betting your u a wierd in real life too. Don't judge him. He doesn't judge you.
Love this movie. In regard to the uncomfortable stuff,considering there’s serious issues with sexual harassment and assault in the modern military committed against fellow soldiers; you know it’s going to happen exponentially more often against people seen as the enemy. Which is why you hear about all the horrible shit happening in Nam, Russians in Ukraine, etc.
It's that way in essentially every war. People need to see comments like yours. Films show things in a way to imply what the reality is like, but without actually traumatizing the audience. I think a lot of people don't realize that's what's going on. If they showed what really happens, people wouldn't be able to sit through it.
@@dmwalker24 Agree, films just show a small degree of what actually used to happen, in real life it's way worse and more brutal.
@@seezar100Sometimes it was. Sometimes it was a lot like this. It's still coercive and therefore rape, but it's not always violent.
War is part of human reproduction. It's an ugly part, but it's there.
15:54 A true fact about why they shot the German soldier: In the rules of war, a soldier wearing the uniform or clothing of the enemy army automatically forfeits the right to be a prisoner of war and may be shot on sight.
Where in the world did you get that idea? Under the Hague Conventions, what was depicted was a war crime.
Wrong all the way around. Where on Earth are you pulling that from? You think that all POWs took off their uniforms during an engagement so that they can be captured safely? WTF.
@@757optim Nope...my dad was in ww2....if you caught the enemy if a combatant in a opposing uniform....they shot them....
That's false. Summary executions are a war crime.
You are essentially a partisan at that point, and partisans do not fall under Geneva convention.
Actually what was on the sign on the hanged woman was: I refused to sent my children into combat.
For the most part you can pick your MOS which is basically your job. But the choices come down to a variety of things from ASVAB score to what’s available at the time. Some people get several options and others get maybe two or three.
Conscript army in WWII was probably different. Like current-day choice of duty station, you probably said what you wanted to do, and they decided where you went based on your evaluated skills and the needs of the military.
@@Stevarooni if you were drafted you didn’t get a choice of anything. That’s one reason why the majority of people voluntarily signed up during ww2 at least they got some of the decision making ability that way.
My recruiter told me my ASVAB scores said I was qualified for any MOS I wanted. I told him I wanted infantry and he looked at me like I was nuts. Guess he thought I was making a bad choice. 😂
Even modern day you always go through basic combat training in the Army. You are always a Soldier first, job description second. Just in case let's say your base is attacked, go out on a convoy, etc etc.
My grandpa fought in Italy, France and Germany during WW2. He never spoke of it, all the stories I heard I read about later in the book of his regiment (A Story of Regiment 179th Infantry Regiment) I do remember that anytime my mom asked that he'd just go quiet. The horror of this war can't even be described.
At the end when they call Norman a hero - you can sense why most Veterans don't like being called a hero.
I've seen this movie like a dozen times but seeing Kacee get emotional got me🥺
Their last stand at the crossroads seems so insignificant to the others on the crew except for Don. He’s the only one that knows that a couple thousand peoples lives are at risk if they don’t hold the crossroad. Speaks a lot to the blind loyalty of the crew, thinking that they may be about to die just to give an SS battalion the best battle they can. Goes to show a lot that went with being a leader in these kinds of wars. You can’t always say the hard thing. Just give orders and live with them
Lanzareth Ridge. A handful of American troops held up the SS as they were trying to reach Bastogne during the battle of the bulge. The few that were captured were killed by the Germans
18:40 theres a bunch of WW2 documentaries with old 1940s film/footage refurbished in HD and color. (2009 WWII in HD) theres a couple more on netflix. 18:30 this clip in Fury where the tank track is running over a compressed body in the mud is actually an reenactment from real WW2 footage taken during the war.
You mentioned Jason Isaac's accent. Most people don't realize that our regional accents came with our forebearers from the old world. For example, the stereotypical "southern" accent came from a region in northern England. The antebellum planters spoke similar to the stereotypical black cultural dialect that we hear today, such as "I be", instead of "I am", and "we be" instead of "we are"; using plural verbs with singular nouns, and visa versa. It makes sense that since the slaves learned English from their owners, they would speak the same. And this was passed on through the generations. Thomas Sowell wrote about this in one of his many books.
From what I heard/read, the director of this movie, went around and interview American and Canadian (because they used the sherman tank as well), tank crews. He then took those stories and used pieces of their stories, to make this movie. So while dramatized, there are 'true' part to/in it.
It was taken from "Death Traps" a heavily criticised book.
There are so many great war movies. Two of my favorites are "Platoon" (Vietnam), and "Enemy at the Gates" (WWII, the russian front). Some fun ones are "Kelly's Heroes" with Clint Eastwood, or anything based on Alistair MacLean's books like "Where Eagles Dare," "The Guns of Navarone," or "Ice Station Zebra."
Films like Kelly's Heroes, Where Eagles Dare, The Great Escape are far more rewatchable than modern war films. While they obviously don't have realistic action scenes, the characters and dialogue are far more memorable. There is literally zero quotable dialogue in Fury, Saving Private Ryan etc.
Those are all great movies! Any of them (or all of them) would be terrific choices for their reactions.
Speaking of Clint Eastwood. His son has a small part in this movie. He looks a lot like his father
This is by far my favorite war film. The last shot, of Norman looking out the window, starring back at Fury - is one of the most hauntingly depressing images I have ever seen.. Despite all the dramatization, there's no doubt that things like this happened. Stories that remain untold, because it was either too hard to tell, or too hard to hear.. Just imagine someone survivng that. Decades later, while they sit alone in their old age, silently in the night. The one thing their mind replays over and over; it's not the violence, or the death, or the smell of gunpowder and cannon fire. It's just that image; the memory of starring out the back of that truck, at their tank - while it slowly disappears into the distance as they are driven away. Their mind doesn't need to focus exclusively on the death or violence or the smell of gunpowder. All of it, is encapsulated in the mind within that one image, that one memory..
It's a shame how we treated the boys that came back from that war. A failure of our society. They came back and we just let them rot. No one wanted to lend any compassion, to listen to their stories and endure the knowledge of what they went though. But they needed it. They needed to get it out, to have people listen, and care, and we gave them nothing. It was hard to talk about, to get them to open up, but no one encouraged them. No one encouraged them to talk about it, because it was too hard to hear, because "no one wants to hear stories about bodies getting blown to pieces." So we treated them like they didn't exist. We let them suffer in silence, alone with their thoughts, the memories of what they had done, what they were forced to do, and the knowledge that no one back home gives a shit...
It's a shame how we treat the people who come home from every war, frankly.
@@mediumvillain I mean yes, but at least with the conflicts of recent years, there have been much much more outreach to help veterans and their families whereas in WWI and WWII there was virtually none.
@@mediumvillain It's really a shame people love this highly innacurate American propaganda movie. Or do you truly believe highly trained SS battalion cannot hit a disabled tank with several crates of Panzerfaust? There was a reason the Germans called the Sherman : Tommy cooker, amongst other things.
When soldiers returned home they received the GI Bill though-which allowed them to go to school, or learn a trade, and buy a home. If people want to look down at someone with one leg, as long as he has money in his pocket and can support himself he doesn’t care what they say about him.
Now, if you’re talking about the treatment they received as far as mental support well then yeah no one got that but they didn’t understand PTSD and mental health.
If you really want to talk about lack of support, in every sense, say that to the black soldiers who returned home-where the GI Bill did not apply to them. Say what you want about race and me bringing that up, but that is truly fucked up.
@@brooklynbutter5357 As far as im concerned ALL soldiers didnt get anywhere the help, support, and treatment they required. Even today the government doesnt provide to service people what should be provided, and its up to us setting up foundations like Wounded Warrior to get them the care they need, when its truly the governments job to do it. The GI-bill is worthless garbage in my opinion. Going to school is going to be hard enough with that insane PTSD let alone attempting to work at the job they are going to school for. I am someone who for most of my life wanted to enlist until i realized what the military industrial complex was, and the true purpose of war. It's not to fight for some ideal like peace or freedom. Those in charge may wage war in its name, but thats not the purpose of the fighting. The men and women on the ground, killing each other - that fighting is done for the sake of the killing itself. Their job there isnt to fight for freedom or peace; it's to mindlessly slaughter other human beings. That is, of course, why military training is meant to turn you into an emotionless robot without compassion. If you truly recognize the humanity of your enemy, you wouldnt be able to murder them.
35: 13 it makes you emotional because you're watching a dad and his sons that know they're about to die doing a last bonding ritual.
41:30 The fact that he didn't know that sort of thing happened in war is why its needed to be in the movie.
Recommendation: "Downfall" (Der Untergang) - best foreign language academy award (Germany) - German Film depicting Hitler's (and his entourage) final days in the Reichstag Bunker. Interesting watching the last days from the German perspective, and the literal downfall of both the "empire" as Hitler's psyche.
FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!!!
@@rodgomez4424 das war ein Befehl!
@@rodgomez4424 The actor who played A.H (Bruno Ganz) sadly passed some time ago.
15:45 If you didnt know, the reason he had norman kill the German was because the German was wearing an ally uniform. Its an executable offense.
I'm a tanker and while I hate that we are portrayed as Bible thumping hillbillies, they did get two things right.
1. Your tank is your home. Death before dismount.
2. The commands in combat. There's no small talk. The only person talking is the TC (tank commander) and he's giving very precise orders. Often he won't even say names, just "driver, hard left" or "gunner, traverse right" because taking an extra second to remember the name of your crewmembers can be life or death. In the midst of it, all you hear is "Fire!" and "On the way!"
Fun fact : Before the radio the commander stomped the shoulder of the driver hard either left or right, depending on the route they needed to go.
@@Some_Guy6 Pretty sure this trend continued after radio. It's incredibly fast and leaves the radio free for other commands
Fun Fact: The first tank built was the Salinas Tank made by Mexico but never actually saw combat, it was a light tank shell with an open front where they would put a cannon for it weapons
DRAFT time placements are based on needs of the service. SOMETIMES they go by test scores. IN-THEATER also has needs. You might show up to do your MOS (military occupational specialty) but get "voluntold" to go do something else temporarily or until your deployment is complete.
Maritime enlistments have two routes. General contract, meaning they choose for you, usually based of scores but also subject to "needs of the service" which is usually infantry.
The NORMAL enlistment follows a basic series of events. Mental and physical testing well before attending a "boot camp" (different for each service), background checks and waivers for various occupations. They frown on folks with multiple misdemeanors or financial issues taking jobs that require a security clearance.
Most MOSs have a "pipeline" before an enlistee is qualified for placement in a deployable unit. Some jobs may only have one MOS granting school. Others have a year plus in various schools before FINALLY being able to deploy with a unit. You still have to rotate into other jobs temporarily to "share the wealth," like mess duty and F'n combat cargo.
My personal experience, I went through the longest avionics pipeline for a cushy job in an air conditioned van doing micro-miniature soldering only to have my orders changed a week before graduation to become the knuckle-dragging hero aircrew that I am. This added a few schools to my new pipeline and gave me an additional two MOSs. But hey, I got to work outdoors and hang out of a helicopter on a machine gun. Every kid's dream.
Best job I ever had.
I feel like I’ve heard y’all say you’re in Texas, you can absolutely do that here in Texas haha, DriveTanks in Uvalde, company lets you drive and even shoot tank cannons, old guns, they’ve got all sorts of toys. Specifically from this era. “Unleash the Fury” is literally a package deal they let you shoot a Sherman(the tank in the movie)
When it comes to jobs, not sure how they did it back in WWII but present day, there's an aptitude test (ASVAB) that we took prior to service. Based on test scores and availability they give us a list to choose from. Ranger and Airborne are special schools. Airborne you can get added to your contract when you enlist, if you get attached to an AIrborne unit it's required, or you can request school based on performance and availability- same with air assault. Spec-Ops, Civila Affairs, Psy-Ops, and 17C are special jobs that you have to put in a packet for. (17C is a very interesting one. They triangulate an area and jam all signals within the area.)
It's tough to get a guaranteed job assignment (USMC or Army MOS, Air Force or Space Force AFSC, or Navy NEC). Those are usually based upon military entrance test scores or shrewd negotiations with recruiters followed by black-and-white ink on paper. Most enlisted members enter "open contract" meaning you are assigned a job based upon the needs of the military. This is especially true during times of war.
Even today modern military stresses the basic soldier or marine skills above all else. You are a Marine or Soldier first then your specific job. You are exacted to know basic combat skills and if ever needed to do combat do it effectively almost as good as infantrymen.
Watching your reaction of WW2 films and the desire to learn more about it is inspiring. I watched the older WW2 films and decided I wanted to learn more by reading the books and accounts that the movies were based on. I highly recommend you read the book called the Longest Day by Cornelius Ryan. Both movie and book are good depiction of the scale of D Day and the events that lead up to it.
Back when I was enlisted Kacee, when you first took your basic theory test to get in to the army, you could choose to take additional tests to see if you qualified for more specific work instead of just infantry. I took 3 additional tests to see if I could qualify to be an engineer, an electrician or I.T./system support. I passed the electrical and the computers, but not the engineering. So I picked I.T. So I still had to first train as infantry, then once that was done I was off to train in systems. Got myself a higher security clearance as a side bonus, considering what I'd be working on. So that's how it worked at around 2005 in the New Zealand army anyways
24:48, for some reason in WW2, Vietnam, Korea, etc "War Brides" was a phenomenon, thousands of them and it really did happen in most cases just like this.
It's odd, but war really does change society around it. It's brutal, and violent. It gives you the icks, squirms, and the gut-wrenching feeling of grief.
As I understand it Germany was particularly flush with "war brides". Americans got along well with German women who were down a whole lot of men and happy to be done with the war.
I was in the marines for a few years, you don't pick where you want to go, you're assigned to a specific unit based on your skills. When people join the military, we take an aptitude test called the ASVAB. Based on how you do on that test, is where you're sent. Basically everyone is trained as Infantry, but after Boot camp, you're sent to another base to start your other job training. But the test doesn't just limit people to just Infantry, based on how you did on the ASVAB, you get multiple options. On my ASVAB, I qualified for three options: Infantry, machine gunner and Amphibious craft gunner. I picked Infantry and after my first tour, I trained as a Machine Gunner, and since I was stationed at Camp Pendleton, I didn't have to move since the training was at Pendleton.
As of today you walk in the recruiters office and take an asvab test to determine the mos’s (jobs within the military) available to you , the higher the more offered, so you do choose your job but I know people who’s jobs got changed during bootcamp, then you go to school for that job after boot and mct (for marines) after you complete the school you get a preference sheet within three things…. Overseas,west,east you put them in the order you want, so in the end it all comes down to where they need you, if they have an open spot they’ll put you where you wanted but as you can see you can’t choose a specific country/state
Take an ASVAB test to get a score. Talked to the recruiter after my results and chose open contract in Support. They put me in the MOS where they needed people which was Field Artillery Cannoneer. Didn't choose my duty station since I wasn't top of the class so they put me wherever they wanted. Walked into anything without knowing anything and rolled with it.
fun fact: Berenthal’s character is probably Cajun; “coonass” comes from the French word “conasse” which means ‘a fool’
The German stick grenade that kills Brad Pitt is not a shrapnel grenade like the US "Pineapple" grenade, which is why he has no shrapnel wound. German stick grenade is a concussion type.
So when I joined the Marines I wanted to be a tanker so I chose combat support when I signed up (my recruiter said he would pull strings and get me tanks) I ended up getting placed in field artillery because the Marines only guaranteed a job field, with the Army when you sign up you have a guaranteed job in what you wanted. The reason for using an admin guy as a tanker was because they weee short on people on the front so they took the people who normally wouldn’t be in combat and used them for more troops.
That sucks. Marines only care about giving you a gun and you giving up your life for some guy behind a desk.
@@John_Locke_108 nah I got to do pretty much everything I wanted in Artillery, my friends in Tanks did almost nothing (especially on deployment since they didn’t use tanks in Afghanistan when I went)
@@ProHero86 In world war 2 the Red army plucked guys from infantry and put them in tanks until relief extra tank crews came to the frontline.
I volunteered for the Air Force and got to pick my AFSC (career field) so long as I qualified. Draftees were placed where needed. That's why I volunteered before being drafted. 😮😊
IMO this movie has one of the most accurate depictions of war, especially in the scene where he tells the crew of Fury to go, he has to stop the column of enemy infantry those are his orders but he wont sacrifice his men, but they stay anyway. A quote from an old game I used to play “There is no honor or glory in War. There is only Death.”
This movie is not accurate lol
Agreed. I think people get overblown by the colour of the tracers and some of the other stylistic choices, but I think this is a phenomenal depiction of what it's like to be in a tank under a variety of challenging scenarios.
I see it kind of like Memphis Belle- it would be unusual for one person to see/do everything depicted, but in 3 years of war I could imagine each of these things (or something close to it) happening.
@Valoriant Legion hahaha okay liar.
Yeah, it's accurate on the brotherhood of tankers. The combat scenes are hit or miss on accuracy. The first tank assault on the tree line was fairly accurate. The shermans versus tiger fight wasn't. The 76mm gun on fury would have punched right through the front of a Tiger at that point in the war. Hell, even the 75mm would haven't been a guaranteed block by the front armor on the tiger.
When I served ('82-'88) based on your testing results, you could have a greater or lesser amount of options for your Military Occupational Specialty (MOS). I scored in a relatively high percentile range so had more choices. I chose 54E (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical Warfare Specialist) for two main reasons: I found the subject matter interesting and the MOS had one of the highest sign-up bonuses at the time.
To a degree, yes, you kind of get to decide where you go. I'm not sure on the American testing part, but in the UK we take a test called the barb test. You list your 3 choices. For me, it was K9 (search and rescue), 2nd was a crewman in the armoured corps, and 3rd was basic infantry. I didn't score enough for my first choice and ended up in the Royal Tank Regiment as a crewman in the Challenger 2 with 7 years of service total. I'm sure you have this kind of test to determine what role and branch you'd end up in, so yes.
You get to choose your Military Occupational Specialty with your recruiter but a lot of times they lie and when you get to boot camp you get told your MOS was filled and you get open contract, meaning anywhere they need you. Happened to me. Enticed me with a Data Systems mos, but instead got combat engineer. Loved every bit of it.
When I originally enlisted my recruiter made it very clear that whatever my orders were it would be "according to the needs of the Navy" but it certainly didn't hurt scoring high on the ASVAB which potentially qualifies you for more advanced rates that you can go into like Nav ET's (Navigation Electronics Tech), ST's (Sonar Techs) or even Cryptologists.
Finally one of my top tank/war movies❤🎉
I am from the city of Eindhoven, episode 4 Band of Brothers. Our grandparents told all the stories, good memories and very bad ones.
Some elderly, still would hide under the table on war remembrance days, when old WW2 bombers flew over.
I visited Bastogne, and the French coast, where still the giant German bunkers remain. Endless fields with war graves.
There are pieces of land in Belgium and northern France, filled with bomb craters from WW1.
***YES*** There is a WWII Sherman Tank at our local National Guard Armory Out in front of the Building. And a M48 Tank from Viet Nam era. I was told that they Both are kept in Working order.
Great movie even if some people knock it for minor historical inaccuracies. As a veteran my favorite scene has always been when they’re sharing the bottle of whiskey right before the SS battalion shows up, always makes me miss my brothers I served with and how much fun we had together.
19K here - I agree with you brother.
I don't think fun is the right word, at the end of the day you should always hope that your deployment is never required
To answer your question about the military: You can get a job guaranteed in your contract when you enlist and sometimes your location/duty station, but mostly they send you to wherever the "needs of the Army" dictate.
Yeah we've got multiple museums in england where you can go inside of the old tanks and aircrafts to see what it was like, i can only assume america and other places would have them also
The last stand scene in Fury is based on a British Tank called "Fray Bentos" which during WW1 held up the German Army for 60 hours during the Battle of Passchendaele
The core cast definitely elevated this movie tenfold.
4:59 To answer this question, it depends. Through the years it’s changed, and when we are at full scale war like this you get very little say. It’s more important to put warm bodies on the front lines to keep the unit strength up. Now days, the Army will let you sign a contract for a specific job for a certain amount of years and a bonus. The catch is that the job you want may not be available. And the more desirable jobs have lower signing bonuses.
Fury is one of my favourite movie, it has so many layers. So glad u reacted to this movie
_"Ideals are peaceful, history's violent."_ As some who REALLY likes history and knows a decent amount about, that is complete truth. More so a "No duh" statement realistically, but I'm learning as I get older, A LOT of people today know very little about the history of our species. History is VERY violent.
True enough, everybody knows the broad strokes, the details are pretty gritty though.
love the subtitles saying "fuckers".... when he shouted "fokkers" which is a german bomber manufacturer :)
Military jobs(now) are decided pretty early on, you go through MEPS, qualify for x amount of jobs, put in for y amount of potential jobs and end up with z, do basic, technical school, then you’re in that job. That’s the most basics of it. Some jobs take a lot longer, some require different schools, more training. Now I’m pretty certain back then, it was a lot less, organized in that sense since the war was already going on and they needed bodies. I don’t know how *real* this is in that they picked a clerk to join a tank crew, but I’m also not a WWII(or I expert). Now a days though, there’s a process, even processes to change occupation and offers to join new styles of things. Especially with the more things you’re certified in.
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GREAT pod..my only watch of his pod, but i LOVED seeing the rawness/vulnerability and owning up/growth from Shia..seemed genuine. Everyone deserves a chance to change for the better
13:00 what's happening in this scene is an American infantry platoon were pinned down in that field and the tanks came un to rescue them. The germans had multiple machine guns fixed on them.
The 5 man crew of a WW2 Sherman tank were: Tank Commander (Pitt), Gunner (LaBouf), Loader (Bernthal), Driver (Pena), Asst Driver/Radio Operator/Bow gunner (Lerman).
Watching Fury "for the first time", right.
35:20 "No matter how many times I watch this movie this part makes me emotional". I knew all these videos were fake af.
All the "watched for first time" accounts are fake.
The dinner table scene was actually my favorite scene in the whole movie. The acting was great
Not a war movie but one of my favorite Shia Labeouf movies is The Greatest Game Ever Played (2005). Good flick, I recommend it whether you react to it or not.
“You gonna rise her up Norman “ me and my friends say that anytime we gotta raise something lol
Great review of one of this veteran's favorite movie! Kacee, love those glasses. They suit you well!
Fun fact: The Tiger Tank that was featured in this film is Tiger 131. It was actually captured by the British in Tunisia during WWII. It is now preserved and kept at a museum in England.
It is the only remaining Tiger I tank that is still functional.
Using it in the film actually provided the museum with a lot of funds and proceeds for spare parts and maintenance costs.
That part closer to the beginning where Norman is forced to shoot the surrendering German soldier, I used to think the same way like "Aren't prisoners protected?" But I found out that one of the rules of war is you don't dress up like your enemy to avoid capture. If a soldier is found by his opposing side wearing their uniform, it is seen as a crime punishable by death, and he could've still been taken prisoner but the troops that found him decided otherwise, so technically there was no crime.
Yes! Glad someone knew this. The only war crime is the german wearing american colors.
The German soldier was not shot for wearing an American greatcoat. He was shot because he was SS !
The organization of the tank was gordo- driver
Norman- assistant driver
Grady- loader
Boyd- gunner
Don- tank commander
Regarding whether you can choose where you want to go and what job you want to do, to some extent you can--e.g., create a "wish list." And the atmosphere around that can be different in war versus peace time. For some jobs like the Rangers, you have to make it through a lot of additional training/"weeding out" before you can be a part of a unit like that. Also, if someone scores higher on the ASVAB test, it's more likely that they'll be allowed to take on the kind of job that might require a higher level of technical expertise. Of course, a higher rank and more time in service, or having a job/expertise that is in short supply, can help as well.
4:56 I was in the Army for 7 years. Sometimes you can put in a request of where you’d liked to get stationed. But at the end of the day it really depends on the needs of the Army. If they need you somewhere they’ll put you there whether you like it or not 😂
Needs of the Army is right. Peacetime is different though.
When u said I feel like they should have had all the ammo already in the tank I think that every time I watch this movie lol
@kacee reference the job question ❓
In the Army, you have a MOS Military occupational specialty. Your job. But in times of War, every soldier and marine can be used as an Infantry grunt if needed.
Example - I was an MP, but in Iraq, did tower guard, gun truck, training, biometric and was even a medic( though not a good one)
I'm a dog..high school we were the Huskies. "Not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog". My mom's uncle was in WWII she said when he came back he had to get to a mental health facility cause he was so traumatized from the war and had PTSD. Said when he got back he would sleep in backyard and not in the house.
You can indeed go and see life Sherman easy 8s (M4A3(76)W)
I think there is even a tiger 1 and king tiger 2 at a British museum!
OW and some working t34 85s in the USA too!
DriveTanks, located at the Ox Ranch, is the only location in the world where you can drive and shoot fully functional tanks, artillery, machine guns, and other weapons of war.
War daddy was the tank commander , Bible was main gunner, coon-a$$ was the loader for the main gun and mechanic, Gordo was the driver , and Norman was assistant driver and machine gunner
Great reaction you guys!! I like your legitimate reaction and the fact that you don't over do it just to get people's attention and likes!! I can't wait to see your band of brothers' reactions. Especially Episode 9, such a tough episode!
"Did you get a say, or did they just put you wherever?"
Well, I can only speak based on what my grandpa told me (he died when I was 10), but it was basically "you went where they sent you, and did what you were told".
And while it's obviously dramatized since it's a movie, some of what you see in Fury actually isn't far off from what my grandpa would tell me (I'm talking the pants-shitting terror of battle, the aftermath, and the skeevy stuff that happened after they liberated that town early in the movie). Maybe he had a hunch his clock was winding down, but for whatever reason, my grandpa basically trauma dumped a ton of stuff on me about his time in the 10th Mountain Division (they fought in Italy, not Germany), and it's been seared in my memory all this time, since it's the kind of stuff no 9/10 year old kid should ever hear, but he treated me like I was a priest at a confessional, spilled his guts, and that shit was _disturbing AF_
I was a 12 Bravo in the army that was a combat engineer. When you join the military you take a test. The results of that test gives you your MOS or “job“ options you can pick from. From that point you go to the designated base for Boot camp. Mine was at Ft Leonard wood Missouri. Infantry is Ft Benning Georgia. After boot camp and AIT you graduate then get sent to a unit that needs you. I was sent to Ft Riley Kansas First Infantry division. I joined during a time of war so I actually went with people who were in my basic training class. We spent a year at Riley and then went to NTC for Desert training. After that we got black leave for two weeks then was deployed to Iraq. My unit was sent to Mosul Iraq. The Combat Engineers job was to clear the roads of IED’s and enemy ambushes so everyone else can safely move through the city. I was blown up 12 times by IED’s and eventually was wounded in action. Ended up spending a year in a hospital in Germany then another 2+ years at Brooks army medical center in San Antonio Texas. I hope that helps paint a picture of how it started and ended. I was also in Iraq the day Saddam was hung I remember it like it was yesterday it was literally on my birthday. No one was allowed to leave the FOB’s except 12 bravos and it was crazy cuz half the city was celebrating his death and the other side was pissed. I have a ton of stories from my time over there some good and some I probably shouldn’t talk about here. I will say this after everything I went through the friends I lost I don’t hate the people there. I actually made friends with some of them. If you want to know anything else feel free to ask.
Idk if anyone chimed in the comments about “can you request where to be stationed”. You can request it but it’s unlikely to get it when you first join in. First duty station you don’t have a say in it just gotta tough it out. Not tryna dive too much into this part but in a nutshell if a base has a slot open for your MOS you can request to go there.
4:49 well if you want to be a tanker you go to tanker school in the army, or mainly known as "Armor School". If you want to be a ranger then that's special forces and it's a process to reach that.
@16:10 wearing an enemy's uniform was a violation of the rules of war back then (I don't know if it still is now) but, he was up to the discretion of who was in charge, and a kill was his result of wearing the US army uniform. (it wasn't a war crime)
Scott Eastwood is also in this movie. He is the guy eating standing behind Brad Pitt when he makes Norman shoot the German in the back. He gets shot and killed by the mg42 machine gun , that's hiding in the basement, after they stop and ask the elderly German for directions, who is subsequently shot by the German sniper for being a traitor for attempting to help the Americans. It's not a long part in the movie but long enough to recognize him.
It's _expensive_ ($1k+) you can go to "Drive Tanks" in Texas to drive one of several different tanks and shoot the main guns, including a few from WW2.
Fact about tank warfare. The commander gives all the orders to the troops inside for their roles to work as one fighting machine. If you eliminate the commander, you also take out the tanks' capability to function as one. Most tank battles did this as a tactical advantage. Once the commander was K.I.A, the crew would sometimes surrender or abandon the tank
Rough estimate for WW2 was 33% volunteered for the army I would guess they had a small say in where they were sent.. The 66% were drafted witch is a nice way of saying Forced and my guess is they would be send where ever bodys where needed..
My favorite scene in this film is the bombers flying over head. When you only see 5 contrails intercepting what looked to be hundreds of contrails.
If you don't think British/Scots can do American accents you must have forgotten Ewan McGregor and Christian Bale both have noticeable accents in their native tongues. I half suspect most people don't even realize Bale is British.
You didn't listen to what they said at all. They stated Americans can't do British accents. Not the other way around. Lol
That's what I get for waiting until the end to comment. Even so, Daniel Davies (Nigel on "The Nanny", and Moriarty on ST:TNG) isn't British, and Michael Mckeen has done a few convincing portrayals of British accents, notably "This is Spinal Tap" and "Good Omens".
Christian Bale is basically perfect when it comes to American. McGregor is fine, Tom Holland is fine, and Benedict Cucumber is terrible
I heard back in WW2 if you volunteered you got a say in which branch you went in to. I don't think that was the case if you were drafted. I'm not certain on that though.
25:50 is a scene of pure ptsd they all holding on too sumthing to keep the human in them alive and not turn into full on animals or insane 🔥 love this movie
You can (in theory anyway) request to be stationed at a specific place but it's Far from a guarantee. Hell even if you have it in writing the military can still rescind it for their own needs. Your job you get to pick, as long as there are openings for it. Though again, under certain circumstances, you can be shuffled around if the military has such need.
Haha I should have put my Overlord comment here instead, great content guys.
This movie got its inspiration from the book "Death Traps" which is widely regarded by historians are being a total piece of shit when it comes to depictions of the Sherman tank. Fury's gun was powerful enough to penetrate the frontal armour of a Tiger at the distance shown in this movie. American tank crewmen also didn't suffer staggering losses. 3% of American armour crews were casualties. Being in a Sherman was among the safest combat jobs that a soldier could have and the Sherman had the highest survival rate of any tank in the war when knocked out.
When I was in high school we were shown a series called "World at War". I don't remember how many episodes it had. I believe there was one for each theater, and one called "Holocaust". It was literally shown on a film projector. (that's how old I am, lol)
I don't know if they were shown in all schools, or perhaps we had a history teacher that thought we needed reality. It's a very real, brutal look at WWII, especially the Holocaust episode. I don't remember all of it, but I do remember seeing the film of the skeleton-thin living and dead bodies. One shot of a bulldozer pushing bodies into a grave, etc.
I seriously doubt today's parents would allow their precious babies to see these films... but they should.
You can go see inside a tank in Minnesota, Texas & Las Vegas
About the specific place in the army its kinda chaotic aspecially during war. I suggest they were on the line and there you take what they give you and they give something they dont need (writier) in this case.
'I feel like they should have had all the ammo in the tank', damn right. That's the first thing I thought when I saw this. I don't care how cramped it makes you, every box of ammo goes inside the tank, period.