Appreciated! Remember the geographical borders were drawn arbitrarily. They could have named the new language "Northern IsiZulu" but I'm no expert at how language names are derived.
@FreshKuwali yes that's important to remember! As for the name, apparently the Ndebeles were named so by other tribes. Initially they were called 'Matebele' which means plunder since they went about plundering locals on their way
@@learnzimndebele matebele is sotho-tswana from "mathebe amalele," meaning long shields. The Nguni in South Africa call Basotho, Baswana, and Bapedi by Basotho and the Basotho groups call all Ngunis Matebele. To be honest, this are mere descriptions. In truth, there is no tribe called Batswana or Basotho those a nations, not tribes.
@@josephshonga178 I'm a ndebele but born and bred in Zambia, and you're right remember isindebele, isiZulu , isixhosa and Ngoni are Nguni languages as such they have so deep and close similarities such that if you one doesn't pay particular attention they may say it's just one language. Another example of a word the ngoni's use us Mathole meaning calves and in ndebele we say Amathole meaning the same
Ndebele in the Zimbabwean context is not a language per se. Its a collection of different nguni speaking people from southern Africa under one umbrella. In this group you will find Amahlabezulu, Amaxhosa, Kalanga Sotho etc etc.
@@learnzimndebele The history of the Ndebele is incredibly fascinating when I was a kid I used to go the history museum in Bulawayo close to centenary Park and be the only black child looking at all the paintings and stuff. True story.
You are called Ndebele because King Mzilikazi wathatha amaNdebele kaMahlangu. The Ndebeles in South Africa don't recognise Mzilikazi as their king but a cow thief. However, King Mzilikazi never really had a name for his people but he referred to himself as umthwakwzi because he was once helped by Abathwakazi. King Mzilikazi was as smart as King Shaka.
that is a lie they were named Ndebele because the Sotho-Tswana people called Ngunis Matebele because they were neigbours of AmaNdebele (Mabena, Mahlangu) who settled next to Sotho-Tswana long before Mzilikazi came so the name was now used for any Nguni group
False history. The Tswanas called them Matebele meaning men of long shields n that was the adopted name which was later changed to MaNdebele. That has nothing to do with the Southern Ndebele. MaNdebele, Mahlabezulu(owahlabana noZulu), Mthwakazi, all these are the names of the nation. It has nothing to do with your so called cattle, the opinions of other people didn't matter. What mattered was that he refused to be swallowed just like other chiefdoms in present day Zulu. Lastly, Mzilikazi did not run away from Tshaka to Zimbabwe, that's a lie that's made to glorify Tshaka. He travelled many places and settled in present day Rustenburg where he built His mighty nation. He remained there for more than 10 years and only left due to intense wars with the Boers who were in search of gold and his cattle. The Zulus were no longer a threat, several battles are recorded where both sides recorded stalemates. The wars with Boers were more intense and both sides lost severely but obviously because of superior weapons from the Boers he had to leave cause he was losing and was directed to present day Matebeleland (Bulawayo (Mhlahlandlela the capital)) where he established his kingdom because the unification of Matebeleland and Mashonaland to form Rhodesia by the British. Get your facts right!!!
Please note the following: 1.Mzilikazi wasn't of royal blood 2.He killed King Sibindi Mabhena a Ndebele King before trekking up north with more than 20 thousand Ndebele people whose rulers were the Mabhenas descendants of King Manala. 3.For Mzilikazi to gain royalty he rounded up most of the Mabhenas who are the real Ndebele royalty and conveniently continued to call the captured people Ndebeles. He had no choice! 1.There's only one Ndebele Nation King in the world King Makhosonke Mabhena whose based in KwaNdebele. Mzilikazi was a usurper!
Also Mzilikazi is the only King who maintained the Nguni language after leaving Kwazulu, don't forget that Soshangane & Zwangendaba both lost the Nguni language in Mozambique and Zambia respectively because Mzilikazi banned intermarriage, once yu promote intermarriage yu will be gone.
It is not true that isiNdebele came from isiZulu. Both languages came from isiNguni, particularly the isiNtungwa dialect. Secondly, it is incorrect that isiZulu has not changed. The language has evolved overtime. For instance, there is ample evidence about modern isiZulu softening the heavy 'tsha' to 'sha'. Hence, you see names like 'Shaka' were direct translated as "cha" in English. Not all Zulu dialects pronounce the "Ngi" the same, there are those that pronounce the same as isiNdebele. The Zulu dialect that is very close to isiNdebele is the Zululand dialects (bayantungela like the Ndebeles). In the modern Zulu you find words like bayede (instead of Bayethe), sawubona (instead of sakubona) etc. All these words are corrupted, you must listen to uhlelo dlalangenkotha were they correct most of these corrupted Nguni words.
@@mlondolozindlovu9272 it's nice that we all think we know enough to teach others when in actual fact we're merely thumb sucking. That "Tsha" you speak of has a totally different pronunciation in isiZulu ie Mtshali, itshali, utshwala...
@@truesouth6532 What I argued here about 'tsha' is supported by published research at the University of Zululand. The examples you mentioned above have the same pronunciation as Ndebele. In other words, the tsha in tshaya and tshani are pronounced different. Similarly with these words ibele (breast) and ibele (sorghum) have the same spelling but different pronunciation. Also, 'ngi' have different (e.g ngiyabonga/ngiyakuthanda has low tone, while inginyila [ingingila]/ingiga/ingimba have higher tone) I can give a lot of examples of the same spelling, but different pronunciation.
Anisiyeke ngo Mzilikazi and look for ways 2 revive ur economy......ur education will not soften us into loving u guys..fix ur country and u will have a place in our heart's.....we cant absorb 20 million zimbabweans
Point of correction Ndebele does not come out isizulu . In fact Zulu come from isindebele it was mzilikazi who helped Shaka build Zulu nation. The khumalos were the youngest of the sons of Ndebele the father who were left in Kzn when nzunza and mafana ( GeGana mthombeni ) left for kahlamba. The last king of the United ndenbele nation was muzi mzilikazi was a warrior general of khumalos clan .the Zimbabwe Ndebele language is very pure in diluted that much the other Ndebele language in RSA is diluted by neighbour s
The fact was stated: Ndebele is bastardized Zulu. It is a mixture of many different languages. It took some words from Abenhla and Amahole. It is not pure Zulu
Ngane yakwethu babhunguka nje abahlale labekhona. Asfune kuzwa umlando wabo wokubhunguka siyawazi. Uma kubanda enyakatho bafuna ukustshela ukuthi banguZulu be bhunguke more than 200 years. AbeseZimbabwe kwaphela nje
@GivenNechironga-jc8cj yes there are a number of words that have become different eg Indwangu (a cloth in Zulu but in Ndebele it means a baboon) or Ingubo (a blanket in Ndebele, a dress in Zulu)
There's a lot of misinformation out there. The Nguni royalty can be traced back to Mhlanga whose sons: Zulu, Xhosa, Ndebele and Swati created their own Kingdoms. The Ndebeles left kwaZulu area in the 16 hundreds settling in the present day Gauteng. Mzilikazi an ordinary chief under King Shaka sort refuge among the Ndebele people after stealing Shaka's cattle. King Sibindi Mabhena of the Ndebele Nation was later killed by this thief despite offering him refuge. He was ungrateful!
You got it all wrong. Firstly, Mzilikazi wasn't just an ordinary chief. Second, Shaka was the first one to proclaim himself king over the whole region. Shaka conquered all the clans, including the Ndwandwe, to become king but Mzilikazi refused to submit the Ntungwa clan under the Zulu leadership and hence the fallout that was not just about cattle. Other clans could'nt do what he did 𝐀𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐞, 𝐰𝐞 𝐜𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐛𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐛𝐞𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐚 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐞 in being called the Matebele, which many nations feared. Yes, he conquered many nations, including and not just the Ndebele only. We have Mabhenas, Mhlangas etc. today, and they are proud and always have been proud of being Matebele. History proves that all these nations were somewhat proud to be under him, perhaps because of the more cruel enemies they had, including the Boers. How Ndebele was royalty we cannot dispute, but whichever history you study, you will discover that they called themselves Ndebele, translated from Matebele, not Ndebele the royal. Second, the Zulu clan wasn't as powerful as it is now; Shaka made it that way, and that is why he is regarded as a warrior. Meaning all the present day Zulus are not direct descendants of the Zulu you are mentioning. Please study history and speak facts not assumptions. Indeed, Mzilikazi has some stories which portray him as a vicious buffalo but he also had great leadership styles, which made him even more respected by the whites. Search for journals written by Robert Moffat, who was his friend. People can say whatever they want because we have found ourselves in the wilderness because of how power was distributed after independence which is a story for another day, otherwise we are rising again and no one can stop it! Don't be deceived by what you are seeing now.
@TypicalMatebele-i8n Your so called historical "facts " are predominantly based on fallacies for the following reasons: 1.Mzilikazi was not born of royal blood. 2.He was one of the many chiefs that were subjects of King Shaka. 3. The sole reason for him to run away from the Kingdom of KwaZulu was the fact that Shaka was going to kill him for cattle theft. He ran away with under 500 men. King Shaka's warriors were in hot pursuit! 4. He was given refuge by the Ndebele people who had settled in present day Gauteng in early 1600. King Sibindi Mabhena was the Ndebele King who accepted Mzilikazi. 5. Mzilikazi stayed with the Ndebele people for over years. He only left the Ndebele Nation after murdering King Sibindi Mabhena and commandeering over 20 thousand of his people to present day Zimbabwe. 5. The Mabhenas who were of royal Ndebele Nation were among the captured Ndebeles. 6. To assimilate himself to royalty, he gave the Mabhenas isithakazelo sakwa "Mntungwa "and proceeded to call the captured people Ndebeles. It made sense to do so! "Mntungwa "is a Khumalo sthakazelo. 7. The sole and only authentic Ndebele King is King Makhosonke Mabhena who is based in kwaMhlanga in KwaNdebele. 8. The Nhlapo Commission Report is there to assist you in understanding the Kingdoms of South Africa. King Makhosonke Mabhena is the King of all Ndebeles world wide!
@@mikemabhena5737 It's not a fallacy it has evidence. 1. The Ntungwa of KZN today still regard him as a Ntungwa King because he was the righful heir to the Ntungwa throne 2. it was not as easy as him running away from Shaka as you say it, he defeated 2 of Shaka's regiments after refusing to handover the cattle, and yes he was defeated and fled to the mountains but not just with men only, even their women and cattle as well. Hence u hear that kuthiwa wahamba lenkomo because indeed wahamba layo yonke into yeyingeyakhe. 3. Shaka himself was not s 4. The Ndebele one of the Ndzundza part i don't know much about it as is not often told in our history but i'm just curious to learn more about it. I'm just curios to know why he murdered, was it a fight or he just backstabbed him 5. History from the Boers, the Griqua, the Sotho etc indicates that he had his kingdom in Rustenburg for many years before he left to Zimbabwe(more than 10 years). Even worse that history was documented because even on of the battles with the Boers a prominent Boer leader was involved as a child in the war loading the cannons. So this thing of that he ran to Zimbabwe from Shaka is a lie, his biggest enemies were the Boers and he was defending his land and African land. 6. He was never the king of the kwaNdebele but of the Matabele, the Mahlabezulu(owahlabana loZulu), uMthwakazi 7. When he left for Matebeleland Shaka was long dead 8. It was only called (Rhodesia) the British intergrated the King Lobengula's land(Matebeleland) and Mashonaland.. then after independence it was called Zimbabwe after the ruins which were called dzimbagwe(forgive my spelling) 9. yes we have all the Mabhenas, Mahlangu, Mhlanga, etc... who have always been proud Matebele since i dont know when. rather than fighting them seek peace and unity which will take us forward. Forget about inhlupheko esikuyo ngoba okungapheliyo kuyahlola, kusasa kuzabe kuphelile konke lokhu You can't rewrite the history of Matebele to spread heythi, our history is not just oral but it was also documented and is there in British and Boer museums. Yes Mzilikazi was not perfect but dont spread inzondo kithi ngoba sasingekho njalo sibona omabhena bezgqaja ngokuba ngabase Matebeleland . After all he died a peaceful man in his homestead, having built his kingdom and seen his son in a position to take over after him. We care more about the sense of nationalism that he imparted on all his people regardless of whether they were once Tswana, Kalanga, Sotho, Ndebele, Tonga, Nambya, Venda or Shangaan, etc.. the nation was one and still is.
@TypicalMatebele-i8n Again you are basing your arguments on misinformation: 1. There has never been a Kingdom called "Ntungwa " in South Africa. "Ntungwa " is a totem name or isithakazelo for the Khumalos. Mzilikazi's surname was Khumalo . 2. If you want to learn about Kingdoms in South Africa please read the Nhlapo Commission Report. I believe it's available on line. 3. Of course there are Ndebele people in Zim whose ancestry can be traced back to the South African Ndebeles. These are one people. The Mabhena,Mahlangu,Mnguni,Masango, Masuku,Jubane to name a few are of Ndebele origin. 4.By the way the Mabhena and Mahlangu are closely related. They both come from the same ancestry Manala(Mabhena)and Ndzuza(Mahlangu) were brothers.
You are speaking to a Ndebele person obviously i am Ndebele i know very well about Mzilikazi's surname, i should be teaching you and not just istemo sakhe kodwa lezibongo zakhe.. kanti nxa kuthiwa ilanga elaphuma endlebeni yendlovu laphuma amakhwezi abikelana uthi kwakudlalwa na?...you think it was your so called 500 men, it was not a joke There was no Zulu kingdom either before Tshaka, nguye owalivusayo kahlekahle.. i dont care about history that was written to spread hate and to erase those who fought so hard to defend their land from colonial rule. If that history says 500 men were fleeing Tshaka without cattle and women and then i wont bother. If that history says Mzilikazi ran from Tshaka to ZImbabwe i wont read it either. If that history spreads hate rather than diversity and unity which Matebeleland represents then i'm sorry i wont bother. I would rather read history from Robert Moffat, and others, and even the recent Ntephe Molope who travelled the whole of Southern Africa studying about uMzilikazi. Nxa ufuna inzondo siyekele thina, le video ibingeyokufundisa ngokuhambelana kwesiNdebele lesiZulu, if ulohlupho lakho siyekele thina. Yimfundiso nje kungasikho ukuthi omunye ungcono kulomunye.. angithi yinto eyenza saphakamela umbuso wabelungu yonale eyokuthi umuntu othile ungcono kulomunye. Inzondo yakho idlulisele kweyinye indawo hatshi lapha! Promote ukuthula not inzondo, just because we are suffering doesn't mean pple can walk over our heads.
we not Zulu hence we called MaNdebele. Mzilikazi refused to be called Zulu and hence why he did what other clans couldn't do. Perhaps you have met those from Zim who seem to want to associate themselves much with Zulu and i'll tell u you why: it's because of suffering cause they are human after all. The day the sun rises they won't beg and you will see that they iron foreheads. No human being is better than the other, especially when it comes to africans
You are on point.We are Nguni's and that cannot be taken away from us.We were never ever part of the Zulu nation.Our late great King Mzilikazi was a Mthethwa and we care less about that other than that it is a piece of history which traces his roots.What matters most is the nation which he created Abathwakazi/Amahlabezulu,the great nation of Ndebele's which is a union of different tribes.
You wish Mzilikazi had not gone to Zim ? 😂 anywho, according to the late Mbongeni Ngema of Sarafina fame, he says that the old Zulu did not have" L" bayete ngonyama was sang by the Abathethwa when bringing in the captured enemies. They would sing bayede ngonyama, in today's zulu it would be balethe ngonyama. There are two ways of translating it, which means "bring them lion" buy the word ngonyama broken into two is ngo - means high and nyama meaning meat or flesh. The lion is ngonyama because it is at the top of the food chain of meat eaters
@@dineomolapo9934don't tell me read I know myself unlike you depending on books written by other people. I know myself right from my great, great grand parents sweetheart mina am proudly i Hlubi elinzipho zimnyama ngokuqwayana girl
@@NonkuthulaXaba iesh don't be confused by my surname I am also proudly hlubi mpangazitha ngele ngele it's really unnecessary to be this rude is it the keyboard haaai try better sesi
In Zimbabwe there are Ndebeles with KZN surnames Khumalo Radebe Ndlovu Dube Maphosa but the Maphosas are not Ndebeles but Swatis. Also explain abasenhla nabasezantsi. Those with animal surnames are not Ndebeles but Khalangas. How far truth is that please elaborate for me. I was born and bred in Soweto Joburg but my father is from Zimbabwe.
that's a blatant lie that was told by "umazisikela ehwaweni". Surnames were never given that way, they had a way of being translated to isinguni.. like Sibanda they say was Sebata from Sotho, while oNgwenya were Mokoena.. yes many Kalangas had their surnames changed to different isinguni surnames, it is not so easy to trace some of them but what matters is that we are one. Some would changed their surnames completely e.g from Tswana to a completely different surname like Dube or Ndlovu(Tlou)
@@wandilemaphosa-mx8ud angilwi lami ngiyaxolisa.. run from people who seek to divide and bring hate among us, amaNdebele abambene regardless of how many different nations they once were. Intermarriages were the norm by the way so we are mixed blood so it's not as practical to divide abantu. We are wounded already we cannot afford to be divided especially at this point. Ngiyaxolisa njalo ngokuphakamisa iphimbo
@@wandilemaphosa-mx8ud They are not KZN surnames, they are Nguni surnames. You will find the same surnames in Zambia, Malawi, Mozambique, Tanzania where any of these Nguni kings like Zwangendaba, Soshangane, Mzilikazi & Swati Queen Nyamazana Dlamini ruled at some point.
While I understand the spirit in which this conversation was made, I think it is a total waste of time. IsiNdebele sase Zimbabwe has been corrupted to the point where it is like isilaphalapha sezi Zulu. "Mina yazi fanika kuluma siZulu maningi!! Ndebeles' energies should be channeled towards fixing the economy of Zimbabwe. That way, the Zulus of South Africa will be the ones coming down to Zimbabwe to learn about us. As it is, we are nothing but vermin as far as they are concerned. Words like, "usodombo", "imuli" etc, are not part of isiZulu and yet you hear people saying "let me teach you Ndebele/Zulu..." Completely shameful. IsiNdebele saseZimbabwe kahle, kahle should called "isiKalanga".
You should get your facts right. Languages develop isiNdebele evolved and developed as influenced by the tribes that it assimilated. Imuli is correct, and apparently it's taken from Kalanga, and its good just as many other words were adopted from Tswana and other languages. You people just like to look down upon AmaKalanga, and you are foolish to think that way because uMthakwazi cannot stand without AmaKhalanga, even uMzilikazi wakubona laye. If you look at the words that were adopted, they are probably 10% or less. That is why the first time you meet a person speaking isiZulu, you get everything he/she says, even though uqala ukusizwa. You still have a lot of work to do if you think every language spoken now was the same 200 years ago; even IsiZulu is not the same; there are many words that have been dropped and many adopted. Just as the English that we speak is not the one that was spoken 200 years ago, there are new words that would be regarded by the people of that generation as corrupt when, in essence, they have been developed and have been widely accepted. Many of the words that were dropped still exist, and many are preserved, ezageni zesintu. Yekela ukutshela abantu amanga wena yini elilahlekise abantu. Linjani kanti bantu abamnyama, elikufunayo yikuqinela into zabanye litshiya okwakini lapha e Africa. That mentality of looking down upon each other has destroyed and slowed down the progress on the continent. We are all gifted, intelligent, and stupid the same way!!! That's why colonization affected every part of this continent, save a few. 🤦
@@TypicalMatebele-i8n My dear, you brought this thing up into the public domain, meaning you wanted me--and others-- to see it. I got triggered by it and it is my right to be offended by anything that offends me. I didn't insult you. These so-called Ndebeles of Zimbabwe can they please get it in their heads once and for all: The Zulus in South Africa don't want you!!! Get over it. There is another lady by the name, "Ntando" who has a similar channel like yours, who purports to teach Ndebele/Zulu. She herself is Ndebele but she makes it sound like Ndebele and Zulu are the same. They are not. Similarities yes, but not one the same. It's like saying Zulu is the same as kiSwahili. Yes, too many similar words, pointing to a common origin, but definitely 2 different languages. IsNdebele laso has gotten to that point. AmaZulu despise Ndebeles anyway, why are we (thru people like yourself) always trying to attach ourselves to them. That's why I advise us to fix Zimbabwe. That way Zulus don't see us as beggars flooding into their country and decide not to have anything to do with us. Once again, my dear, it is you who brought it up the web for me and others to see. Learn your lesson and move on. There are many frustrated people(like myself) out there and you never know what effect your words can have on them. Angilwi lawe, but uma ufuna umsindo uzowuthola.
@@bekisiphotshili2566 well i'm a guy and i'm not the owner of a channel. I'm just a watcher like you. Don't waste your time threatening me; just deal with your life, my friend. Africans are Africans, no one is better than the other; we are all human beings and none is better. It's normal for people to want to adopt certain survival techniques during times of trials; otherwise, we are all the same. It's normal for a beggar to be despised just because he is struggling, but that doesn't mean things will stay that way.
Mzilikazi was never zulu lets correct that please 🙏 King mzilikazi was never a zulu subject 🙏 Shaka Zulu was a king of amazulu and mzilikazi was a king of amantungwa ❤️ so the current Zulu language in natal is the authorised one but there are still plenty dealect that are in kzn northern Ndebele is just one of them 🙏
Mzilikazi was King Shaka's general and they had a fallout hence Mzilikazi is also referred to as 'HlabeZulu'. Essentially, Mzilikazi was Zulu but left. Mzilikazi grew up under the Ndwandwe kraal before joining Shaka.
@@mxolisimagubane3204 my understanding 🙏 each tribe had their kingship 🙏 zwide ndwandwe 🙏 bhebhe langeni Mhlongo Shaka mother 🙏 mzilikazi amantungwa Khumalo amahlubi 🙏Dingiswayo Mthethwa 🙏all these kingship will do a collaboration when needed sometimes there would be fallout mzilikazi was never Zulu ..the word hlabezulu came after mzilikazi troops won an attack from dingaani he already killed Shaka by this time so.. so he might have went after mzilikazi thinking we would come and revenge Shaka death 🙏 dingaani attacked all Shaka Zulu alliance ..
Zimbabwean Ngunis are confused... How does a Xhosa Mpofu cross the border and then become Ndebele in the new territory??? Why do the Zulu people of Khumalo, Mtshali clans suddenly become Ndebele in Zim? We need education Maan...
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U are right sister. Infact Zimbabwean Ndebele is more similar to Zulu than the South African Ndebele. That one is difficult
Southern Ndebele is so different, when i first heard it I almost argued that it was Ndebele😂
It's like British English and American English language
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Exactly
Yinto eyodwa le inkinga nje sihluphekile okwenza sibukelwephansi ngabathile,futhi nje asizami ukuzenza amazulu we are proudly Ndebele
We know you were part of us as Zulus, uMzilikazi kaMashobane wanithatha wayonilahla le emazweni
Limqotho ke lelo Gatsheni
Mina ngizithandela wena nje my Sister ❤
@@zithuleledlamini8136 Nami ngiyakuthanda bo muntu wakithi
I love you sisi wami what you are doing we love n like it god bless you ntokazi
@@njabulobhebhe7145 Amen🎊🎊 lulimi lwethu lolu mnewethu kufanele silulondoloze
Thanks for this information. I really appreciate 🙏
@@rotawa1 such a pleasure to hear this!
Just found you and am not letting you go! Ngiyabonga ngizofunda!
Kuyabongeka mfowethu!
Well said
@@Jambaiaapatro Siyabonga🙌
Siyabonga ukufundisa abangaziyo sisi
@@HandsomeNkomo-sm8nl ngiyabonga mnewethu,, lami kunengi engilokhe ngikufunda lapha ekufundiseni
Thina amaNdebele kaMzilikazi sikhuluma isiNtunwa nguni,isinguni sihlukene, silalanguni,ntungwanguni,abasembo,etc.example Beyede/Bayethe meaning bring them bayethe/bayaede Nkosi. Ulaphi,ukuphi,ungaphi ,ukephi
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Kuyafana nje nesizulu lento.
Appreciated! Remember the geographical borders were drawn arbitrarily. They could have named the new language "Northern IsiZulu" but I'm no expert at how language names are derived.
@FreshKuwali yes that's important to remember! As for the name, apparently the Ndebeles were named so by other tribes. Initially they were called 'Matebele' which means plunder since they went about plundering locals on their way
@@FreshKuwali the Ndebele in South Africa and the Ndebele in Zimbabwe are both amantungwa they are from them same house..
@@learnzimndebele matebele is sotho-tswana from "mathebe amalele," meaning long shields. The Nguni in South Africa call Basotho, Baswana, and Bapedi by Basotho and the Basotho groups call all Ngunis Matebele. To be honest, this are mere descriptions. In truth, there is no tribe called Batswana or Basotho those a nations, not tribes.
Shabalala (Zulu), Tshabalala (Swati), and Chabalala (Shangaan). Same people in different regions with different pronunciations
@@Onelove-Oneheart-h4c Oh shangaan uses 'Cha'? Interesting!
@@learnzimndebeleyes Shabangu in Shangaan is Chabangu
@@Onelove-Oneheart-h4c Lovely! which southern african languages do you speak?
Zim Ndebele still retains some words that the Zulus no longer use, eg umumbu, natha.
What's "umumbu?"
@@josephshonga178umumbu is maize then Natha is to drink
@@MuhaswaCathright Thank you. I just wanted to know, as the Ngonis of Zambia, despite having lost the language, still refer to maize as "mumbu."
@@josephshonga178 I'm a ndebele but born and bred in Zambia, and you're right remember isindebele, isiZulu , isixhosa and Ngoni are Nguni languages as such they have so deep and close similarities such that if you one doesn't pay particular attention they may say it's just one language. Another example of a word the ngoni's use us Mathole meaning calves and in ndebele we say Amathole meaning the same
@@MuhaswaCathright You're right, thank you very much for your insight.
Ngiyabonga sisi .
Ngicela ukungisiza le meaning of "Amahlabezulu".?
Ingoba uMzilikazi wahlabana no Zulu, ngenkathi engafuni ukuhambisa izinkomo ku King Shaka.
@@mxolisimagubane3204 siyabonga, lami bengingazi!
Ndebele in the Zimbabwean context is not a language per se. Its a collection of different nguni speaking people from southern Africa under one umbrella. In this group you will find Amahlabezulu, Amaxhosa, Kalanga Sotho etc etc.
@henryhunter1876 True💯
@@learnzimndebele I'm a historian and the history of mthwakazi is the history of my mother's people.
@@henryhunter1876 that's awesome! I would love to hear about your historic findings in more detail. Where are you based?
@@learnzimndebele currently in London. Are you half shona? Just curious cause I'm. Mother Ndebele and Father you guessed it.
@@learnzimndebele The history of the Ndebele is incredibly fascinating when I was a kid I used to go the history museum in Bulawayo close to centenary Park and be the only black child looking at all the paintings and stuff. True story.
appreciate your channel 🙏 shona is not a tribe but a language spoken by different tribes around Zimbabwe.
No no shona is actually something made up by whites. Today it's called shona yes, 120 years ago we called people manyika, zezuru, kore kore, etc.
@@majestic4124 noted and thank you!
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@@learnzimndebele - ubuye ukhumbule ukuthi oseyitshayile akakayosi, oseyosile akakayidli, oyidlile udle icala.
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Aw buyani bafowethu phela nina ningabakwethu. Isilo sizoninika umhlaba omningi lapha kwi Ngonyama trust. Ngiyanikhumbula mina manje
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@@learnzimndebele you'll one day.
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I am Shona, i wish if i was offered to learn Ndebele as i learnt Shona as a child.
In School 🎒
@@VIVABELLAVIVAHERMANO that would have been great! Good thing you can still learn it now
Thanks my sister but it sounds same mybe we are one nation one love❤❤❤❤
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You are called Ndebele because King Mzilikazi wathatha amaNdebele kaMahlangu. The Ndebeles in South Africa don't recognise Mzilikazi as their king but a cow thief. However, King Mzilikazi never really had a name for his people but he referred to himself as umthwakwzi because he was once helped by Abathwakazi. King Mzilikazi was as smart as King Shaka.
that is a lie they were named Ndebele because the Sotho-Tswana people called Ngunis Matebele because they were neigbours of AmaNdebele (Mabena, Mahlangu) who settled next to Sotho-Tswana long before Mzilikazi came so the name was now used for any Nguni group
False history. The Tswanas called them Matebele meaning men of long shields n that was the adopted name which was later changed to MaNdebele. That has nothing to do with the Southern Ndebele. MaNdebele, Mahlabezulu(owahlabana noZulu), Mthwakazi, all these are the names of the nation. It has nothing to do with your so called cattle, the opinions of other people didn't matter. What mattered was that he refused to be swallowed just like other chiefdoms in present day Zulu.
Lastly, Mzilikazi did not run away from Tshaka to Zimbabwe, that's a lie that's made to glorify Tshaka. He travelled many places and settled in present day Rustenburg where he built His mighty nation. He remained there for more than 10 years and only left due to intense wars with the Boers who were in search of gold and his cattle. The Zulus were no longer a threat, several battles are recorded where both sides recorded stalemates. The wars with Boers were more intense and both sides lost severely but obviously because of superior weapons from the Boers he had to leave cause he was losing and was directed to present day Matebeleland (Bulawayo (Mhlahlandlela the capital)) where he established his kingdom because the unification of Matebeleland and Mashonaland to form Rhodesia by the British.
Get your facts right!!!
Which history is correct, be careful not to label something without proof yourself. History you learn to at school is destorted.
Please go read King Mzilikazi's book that was recently released.
Please note the following:
1.Mzilikazi wasn't of royal blood
2.He killed King Sibindi Mabhena a Ndebele King before trekking up north with more than 20 thousand Ndebele people whose rulers were the Mabhenas descendants of King Manala.
3.For Mzilikazi to gain royalty he rounded up most of the Mabhenas who are the real Ndebele royalty and conveniently continued to call the captured people Ndebeles. He had no choice!
1.There's only one Ndebele Nation King in the world King Makhosonke Mabhena whose based in KwaNdebele. Mzilikazi was a usurper!
You are south african no matter who says what! Period.
Ndiyeza ngapho mntase ndizawufikela kwakho😀
@@learnzimndebele ndisentla kwamasimi.
Also Mzilikazi is the only King who maintained the Nguni language after leaving Kwazulu, don't forget that Soshangane & Zwangendaba both lost the Nguni language in Mozambique and Zambia respectively because Mzilikazi banned intermarriage, once yu promote intermarriage yu will be gone.
I would love to hear what the Ngoni in Zambia now sounds like
Ngizakushaya , ngizakunanka 😂
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Wayibeka Nkosazane
Ngiyizamile angithi?😄
Ngiyakuthanda lokhu😂
Ngiyathaba ukuzwa lokho mfundi!
NO DIFFERENCE.... MFXIMM . HUMAN BEINGS. BOTH
I love that..both human beings lol
It is not true that isiNdebele came from isiZulu. Both languages came from isiNguni, particularly the isiNtungwa dialect. Secondly, it is incorrect that isiZulu has not changed. The language has evolved overtime. For instance, there is ample evidence about modern isiZulu softening the heavy 'tsha' to 'sha'. Hence, you see names like 'Shaka' were direct translated as "cha" in English. Not all Zulu dialects pronounce the "Ngi" the same, there are those that pronounce the same as isiNdebele. The Zulu dialect that is very close to isiNdebele is the Zululand dialects (bayantungela like the Ndebeles). In the modern Zulu you find words like bayede (instead of Bayethe), sawubona (instead of sakubona) etc. All these words are corrupted, you must listen to uhlelo dlalangenkotha were they correct most of these corrupted Nguni words.
@@mlondolozindlovu9272 it's nice that we all think we know enough to teach others when in actual fact we're merely thumb sucking.
That "Tsha" you speak of has a totally different pronunciation in isiZulu ie Mtshali, itshali, utshwala...
@@truesouth6532 What I argued here about 'tsha' is supported by published research at the University of Zululand. The examples you mentioned above have the same pronunciation as Ndebele. In other words, the tsha in tshaya and tshani are pronounced different. Similarly with these words ibele (breast) and ibele (sorghum) have the same spelling but different pronunciation. Also, 'ngi' have different (e.g ngiyabonga/ngiyakuthanda has low tone, while inginyila [ingingila]/ingiga/ingimba have higher tone) I can give a lot of examples of the same spelling, but different pronunciation.
@@mlondolozindlovu9272 could you kindly quote me that publication.
@@mlondolozindlovu9272 what's the name of that publication?
Ngiyabonga
Kulungile!
Anisiyeke ngo Mzilikazi and look for ways 2 revive ur economy......ur education will not soften us into loving u guys..fix ur country and u will have a place in our heart's.....we cant absorb 20 million zimbabweans
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Asidinge thando lwakho thina sazela imali egoli asilandaba ukut ukhuphukelwa ushukela ngendaba yokuba khona kwethu lana
Okungapheliyo kuyahlola
Asikho kuwe wena zayizayi sihlalakithi futhi nje kini kuyanuka cc man
Point of correction Ndebele does not come out isizulu . In fact Zulu come from isindebele it was mzilikazi who helped Shaka build Zulu nation. The khumalos were the youngest of the sons of Ndebele the father who were left in Kzn when nzunza and mafana ( GeGana mthombeni ) left for kahlamba. The last king of the United ndenbele nation was muzi mzilikazi was a warrior general of khumalos clan .the Zimbabwe Ndebele language is very pure in diluted that much the other Ndebele language in RSA is diluted by neighbour s
Siyayibonga ipoint of correction👏👏
The fact was stated: Ndebele is bastardized Zulu. It is a mixture of many different languages. It took some words from Abenhla and Amahole. It is not pure Zulu
Buyani iyefana lento, kodwa angicabangi ukuthi iSilo singaba nenkinga ngalokho, ngoba vele ngabe kwanda isizwe samaZulu ,okwakuvele kuyinhloso yeLembe. Umthetho nje wemingcele ongaba inkinga.
Ngane yakwethu babhunguka nje abahlale labekhona. Asfune kuzwa umlando wabo wokubhunguka siyawazi. Uma kubanda enyakatho bafuna ukustshela ukuthi banguZulu be bhunguke more than 200 years. AbeseZimbabwe kwaphela nje
The same Lembe that you killed?
Mina ke ngiyajabula ukuzihlalela eZimbabwe. Wasinceda uMzilikazi wasiletha e Zimbabwe. Ulwazi esilalo lubanzi njalo lujulile 😎
Sibonga uthando😄
True and other words
@GivenNechironga-jc8cj yes there are a number of words that have become different eg Indwangu (a cloth in Zulu but in Ndebele it means a baboon) or Ingubo (a blanket in Ndebele, a dress in Zulu)
AmaNdebele amambuka kwaphela
@@sanelemkhize9176 Yini amambuka?
@@learnzimndebele amambuka abantu ababaleka esizweni sabo ntombi
@@sanelemkhize9176 ohh ngiyakuzwa, dankie ntombie!
@@learnzimndebele kodwa lokho akusho ukuthi abawona abenguni 🤣 angiyona intombi ngiyinzizwa
@@sanelemkhize9176 uxolo 😂 yikuthi ngijayele oSanele besifazane
Same language different accent
Your narrative have a wrong imformation somewhere somehow in zulu there is Tshabalala and Shabalala not other is Ndebele and zulu
There's a lot of misinformation out there. The Nguni royalty can be traced back to Mhlanga whose sons: Zulu, Xhosa, Ndebele and Swati created their own Kingdoms.
The Ndebeles left kwaZulu area in the 16 hundreds settling in the present day Gauteng.
Mzilikazi an ordinary chief under King Shaka sort refuge among the Ndebele people after stealing Shaka's cattle.
King Sibindi Mabhena of the Ndebele Nation was later killed by this thief despite offering him refuge. He was ungrateful!
You got it all wrong. Firstly, Mzilikazi wasn't just an ordinary chief. Second, Shaka was the first one to proclaim himself king over the whole region. Shaka conquered all the clans, including the Ndwandwe, to become king but Mzilikazi refused to submit the Ntungwa clan under the Zulu leadership and hence the fallout that was not just about cattle. Other clans could'nt do what he did
𝐀𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐞, 𝐰𝐞 𝐜𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐛𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐛𝐞𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐚 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐞 in being called the Matebele, which many nations feared. Yes, he conquered many nations, including and not just the Ndebele only. We have Mabhenas, Mhlangas etc. today, and they are proud and always have been proud of being Matebele. History proves that all these nations were somewhat proud to be under him, perhaps because of the more cruel enemies they had, including the Boers. How Ndebele was royalty we cannot dispute, but whichever history you study, you will discover that they called themselves Ndebele, translated from Matebele, not Ndebele the royal. Second, the Zulu clan wasn't as powerful as it is now; Shaka made it that way, and that is why he is regarded as a warrior. Meaning all the present day Zulus are not direct descendants of the Zulu you are mentioning. Please study history and speak facts not assumptions.
Indeed, Mzilikazi has some stories which portray him as a vicious buffalo but he also had great leadership styles, which made him even more respected by the whites. Search for journals written by Robert Moffat, who was his friend.
People can say whatever they want because we have found ourselves in the wilderness because of how power was distributed after independence which is a story for another day, otherwise we are rising again and no one can stop it! Don't be deceived by what you are seeing now.
@TypicalMatebele-i8n Your so called historical "facts " are predominantly based on fallacies for the following reasons:
1.Mzilikazi was not born of royal blood.
2.He was one of the many chiefs that were subjects of King Shaka.
3. The sole reason for him to run away from the Kingdom of KwaZulu was the fact that Shaka was going to kill him for cattle theft. He ran away with under 500 men. King Shaka's warriors were in hot pursuit!
4. He was given refuge by the Ndebele people who had settled in present day Gauteng in early 1600.
King Sibindi Mabhena was the Ndebele King who accepted Mzilikazi.
5. Mzilikazi stayed with the Ndebele people for over years. He only left the Ndebele Nation after murdering King Sibindi Mabhena and commandeering over 20 thousand of his people to present day Zimbabwe.
5. The Mabhenas who were of royal Ndebele Nation were among the captured Ndebeles.
6. To assimilate himself to royalty, he gave the Mabhenas isithakazelo sakwa "Mntungwa "and proceeded to call the captured people Ndebeles. It made sense to do so!
"Mntungwa "is a Khumalo sthakazelo.
7. The sole and only authentic Ndebele King is King Makhosonke Mabhena who is based in kwaMhlanga in KwaNdebele.
8. The Nhlapo Commission Report is there to assist you in understanding the Kingdoms of South Africa.
King Makhosonke Mabhena is the King of all Ndebeles world wide!
@@mikemabhena5737 It's not a fallacy it has evidence.
1. The Ntungwa of KZN today still regard him as a Ntungwa King because he was the righful heir to the Ntungwa throne
2. it was not as easy as him running away from Shaka as you say it, he defeated 2 of Shaka's regiments after refusing to handover the cattle, and yes he was defeated and fled to the mountains but not just with men only, even their women and cattle as well. Hence u hear that kuthiwa wahamba lenkomo because indeed wahamba layo yonke into yeyingeyakhe.
3. Shaka himself was not s
4. The Ndebele one of the Ndzundza part i don't know much about it as is not often told in our history but i'm just curious to learn more about it. I'm just curios to know why he murdered, was it a fight or he just backstabbed him
5. History from the Boers, the Griqua, the Sotho etc indicates that he had his kingdom in Rustenburg for many years before he left to Zimbabwe(more than 10 years). Even worse that history was documented because even on of the battles with the Boers a prominent Boer leader was involved as a child in the war loading the cannons. So this thing of that he ran to Zimbabwe from Shaka is a lie, his biggest enemies were the Boers and he was defending his land and African land.
6. He was never the king of the kwaNdebele but of the Matabele, the Mahlabezulu(owahlabana loZulu), uMthwakazi
7. When he left for Matebeleland Shaka was long dead
8. It was only called (Rhodesia) the British intergrated the King Lobengula's land(Matebeleland) and Mashonaland.. then after independence it was called Zimbabwe after the ruins which were called dzimbagwe(forgive my spelling)
9. yes we have all the Mabhenas, Mahlangu, Mhlanga, etc... who have always been proud Matebele since i dont know when. rather than fighting them seek peace and unity which will take us forward. Forget about inhlupheko esikuyo ngoba okungapheliyo kuyahlola, kusasa kuzabe kuphelile konke lokhu
You can't rewrite the history of Matebele to spread heythi, our history is not just oral but it was also documented and is there in British and Boer museums. Yes Mzilikazi was not perfect but dont spread inzondo kithi ngoba sasingekho njalo sibona omabhena bezgqaja ngokuba ngabase Matebeleland . After all he died a peaceful man in his homestead, having built his kingdom and seen his son in a position to take over after him. We care more about the sense of nationalism that he imparted on all his people regardless of whether they were once Tswana, Kalanga, Sotho, Ndebele, Tonga, Nambya, Venda or Shangaan, etc.. the nation was one and still is.
@TypicalMatebele-i8n Again you are basing your arguments on misinformation:
1. There has never been a Kingdom called "Ntungwa " in South Africa.
"Ntungwa " is a totem name or isithakazelo for the Khumalos. Mzilikazi's surname was Khumalo .
2. If you want to learn about Kingdoms in South Africa please read the Nhlapo Commission Report. I believe it's available on line.
3. Of course there are Ndebele people in Zim whose ancestry can be traced back to the South African Ndebeles. These are one people. The Mabhena,Mahlangu,Mnguni,Masango, Masuku,Jubane to name a few are of Ndebele origin.
4.By the way the Mabhena and Mahlangu are closely related. They both come from the same ancestry Manala(Mabhena)and Ndzuza(Mahlangu) were brothers.
You are speaking to a Ndebele person obviously i am Ndebele i know very well about Mzilikazi's surname, i should be teaching you and not just istemo sakhe kodwa lezibongo zakhe.. kanti nxa kuthiwa ilanga elaphuma endlebeni yendlovu laphuma amakhwezi abikelana uthi kwakudlalwa na?...you think it was your so called 500 men, it was not a joke
There was no Zulu kingdom either before Tshaka, nguye owalivusayo kahlekahle..
i dont care about history that was written to spread hate and to erase those who fought so hard to defend their land from colonial rule. If that history says 500 men were fleeing Tshaka without cattle and women and then i wont bother. If that history says Mzilikazi ran from Tshaka to ZImbabwe i wont read it either. If that history spreads hate rather than diversity and unity which Matebeleland represents then i'm sorry i wont bother. I would rather read history from Robert Moffat, and others, and even the recent Ntephe Molope who travelled the whole of Southern Africa studying about uMzilikazi.
Nxa ufuna inzondo siyekele thina, le video ibingeyokufundisa ngokuhambelana kwesiNdebele lesiZulu, if ulohlupho lakho siyekele thina. Yimfundiso nje kungasikho ukuthi omunye ungcono kulomunye.. angithi yinto eyenza saphakamela umbuso wabelungu yonale eyokuthi umuntu othile ungcono kulomunye. Inzondo yakho idlulisele kweyinye indawo hatshi lapha! Promote ukuthula not inzondo, just because we are suffering doesn't mean pple can walk over our heads.
Zulu were related to Mzilikazi not to zimbabwe...ndebele in zimbabwe are not Zulus and never will
we not Zulu hence we called MaNdebele. Mzilikazi refused to be called Zulu and hence why he did what other clans couldn't do. Perhaps you have met those from Zim who seem to want to associate themselves much with Zulu and i'll tell u you why: it's because of suffering cause they are human after all. The day the sun rises they won't beg and you will see that they iron foreheads.
No human being is better than the other, especially when it comes to africans
You are on point.We are Nguni's and that cannot be taken away from us.We were never ever part of the Zulu nation.Our late great King Mzilikazi was a Mthethwa and we care less about that other than that it is a piece of history which traces his roots.What matters most is the nation which he created Abathwakazi/Amahlabezulu,the great nation of Ndebele's which is a union of different tribes.
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You wish Mzilikazi had not gone to Zim ? 😂 anywho, according to the late Mbongeni Ngema of Sarafina fame, he says that the old Zulu did not have" L" bayete ngonyama was sang by the Abathethwa when bringing in the captured enemies. They would sing bayede ngonyama, in today's zulu it would be balethe ngonyama. There are two ways of translating it, which means "bring them lion" buy the word ngonyama broken into two is ngo - means high and nyama meaning meat or flesh. The lion is ngonyama because it is at the top of the food chain of meat eaters
Musani ukusifunza inkulumo yenu thina sikhuluma isizulu. Yonke lento enizama ukuyifaka kithi ayikho isizulu siqonde ngqo futhi asitolikwa please
There is nothing balethe means bring them, bayede is bayede oh please
@@NonkuthulaXaba you really need to read more you will surprised.. easy example check mbuso Khoza interview with penuel show..
@@dineomolapo9934don't tell me read I know myself unlike you depending on books written by other people. I know myself right from my great, great grand parents sweetheart mina am proudly i Hlubi elinzipho zimnyama ngokuqwayana girl
@@NonkuthulaXaba iesh don't be confused by my surname I am also proudly hlubi mpangazitha ngele ngele it's really unnecessary to be this rude is it the keyboard haaai try better sesi
In Zimbabwe there are Ndebeles with KZN surnames Khumalo Radebe Ndlovu Dube
Maphosa but the Maphosas are not Ndebeles but Swatis.
Also explain abasenhla nabasezantsi.
Those with animal surnames are not Ndebeles but Khalangas.
How far truth is that please elaborate for me.
I was born and bred in Soweto Joburg but my father is from Zimbabwe.
that's a blatant lie that was told by "umazisikela ehwaweni". Surnames were never given that way, they had a way of being translated to isinguni.. like Sibanda they say was Sebata from Sotho, while oNgwenya were Mokoena.. yes many Kalangas had their surnames changed to different isinguni surnames, it is not so easy to trace some of them but what matters is that we are one. Some would changed their surnames completely e.g from Tswana to a completely different surname like Dube or Ndlovu(Tlou)
@@TypicalMatebele-i8n
Akuliwa wethu I need clarity only since I never grew to know my home Zim. Also proud to be Zimbabwean
@@wandilemaphosa-mx8ud angilwi lami ngiyaxolisa.. run from people who seek to divide and bring hate among us, amaNdebele abambene regardless of how many different nations they once were. Intermarriages were the norm by the way so we are mixed blood so it's not as practical to divide abantu. We are wounded already we cannot afford to be divided especially at this point.
Ngiyaxolisa njalo ngokuphakamisa iphimbo
Ndebele evolved from various tribes
@@wandilemaphosa-mx8ud They are not KZN surnames, they are Nguni surnames. You will find the same surnames in Zambia, Malawi, Mozambique, Tanzania where any of these Nguni kings like Zwangendaba, Soshangane, Mzilikazi & Swati Queen Nyamazana Dlamini ruled at some point.
Zimbabweans sometimes 😂
Benzeni?
Senzeni?
Just stay in Zim n we all good
Mina ngiyeza lapho
Chabangu in shona 😂, what a clown 😂😂
Iclown ngubani?
While I understand the spirit in which this conversation was made, I think it is a total waste of time. IsiNdebele sase Zimbabwe has been corrupted to the point where it is like isilaphalapha sezi Zulu. "Mina yazi fanika kuluma siZulu maningi!! Ndebeles' energies should be channeled towards fixing the economy of Zimbabwe. That way, the Zulus of South Africa will be the ones coming down to Zimbabwe to learn about us. As it is, we are nothing but vermin as far as they are concerned. Words like, "usodombo", "imuli" etc, are not part of isiZulu and yet you hear people saying "let me teach you Ndebele/Zulu..." Completely shameful. IsiNdebele saseZimbabwe kahle, kahle should called "isiKalanga".
You should get your facts right. Languages develop isiNdebele evolved and developed as influenced by the tribes that it assimilated. Imuli is correct, and apparently it's taken from Kalanga, and its good just as many other words were adopted from Tswana and other languages. You people just like to look down upon AmaKalanga, and you are foolish to think that way because uMthakwazi cannot stand without AmaKhalanga, even uMzilikazi wakubona laye.
If you look at the words that were adopted, they are probably 10% or less. That is why the first time you meet a person speaking isiZulu, you get everything he/she says, even though uqala ukusizwa. You still have a lot of work to do if you think every language spoken now was the same 200 years ago; even IsiZulu is not the same; there are many words that have been dropped and many adopted. Just as the English that we speak is not the one that was spoken 200 years ago, there are new words that would be regarded by the people of that generation as corrupt when, in essence, they have been developed and have been widely accepted. Many of the words that were dropped still exist, and many are preserved, ezageni zesintu.
Yekela ukutshela abantu amanga wena yini elilahlekise abantu. Linjani kanti bantu abamnyama, elikufunayo yikuqinela into zabanye litshiya okwakini lapha e Africa. That mentality of looking down upon each other has destroyed and slowed down the progress on the continent. We are all gifted, intelligent, and stupid the same way!!! That's why colonization affected every part of this continent, save a few. 🤦
@@TypicalMatebele-i8n My dear, you brought this thing up into the public domain, meaning you wanted me--and others-- to see it. I got triggered by it and it is my right to be offended by anything that offends me. I didn't insult you. These so-called Ndebeles of Zimbabwe can they please get it in their heads once and for all: The Zulus in South Africa don't want you!!! Get over it. There is another lady by the name, "Ntando" who has a similar channel like yours, who purports to teach Ndebele/Zulu. She herself is Ndebele but she makes it sound like Ndebele and Zulu are the same. They are not. Similarities yes, but not one the same. It's like saying Zulu is the same as kiSwahili. Yes, too many similar words, pointing to a common origin, but definitely 2 different languages. IsNdebele laso has gotten to that point. AmaZulu despise Ndebeles anyway, why are we (thru people like yourself) always trying to attach ourselves to them. That's why I advise us to fix Zimbabwe. That way Zulus don't see us as beggars flooding into their country and decide not to have anything to do with us. Once again, my dear, it is you who brought it up the web for me and others to see. Learn your lesson and move on. There are many frustrated people(like myself) out there and you never know what effect your words can have on them. Angilwi lawe, but uma ufuna umsindo uzowuthola.
@@bekisiphotshili2566 well i'm a guy and i'm not the owner of a channel. I'm just a watcher like you.
Don't waste your time threatening me; just deal with your life, my friend.
Africans are Africans, no one is better than the other; we are all human beings and none is better. It's normal for people to want to adopt certain survival techniques during times of trials; otherwise, we are all the same. It's normal for a beggar to be despised just because he is struggling, but that doesn't mean things will stay that way.
😅you are lying Zulu came from Ndebeles go and do research Ndebele was large tribe they'd their own land in kzn
From where
In my book it's the same. Ndebele is just a dialect of Zulu. Please some of you, you need to get over it.
Hawu, Siphiwe, Zulu is also a dialect. Do your research before publishing your book please.
Wena get over that Zimbabwean are Zimbabweans not South Africans.
Mzilikazi was never zulu lets correct that please 🙏 King mzilikazi was never a zulu subject 🙏 Shaka Zulu was a king of amazulu and mzilikazi was a king of amantungwa ❤️ so the current Zulu language in natal is the authorised one but there are still plenty dealect that are in kzn northern Ndebele is just one of them 🙏
Mzilikazi was King Shaka's general and they had a fallout hence Mzilikazi is also referred to as 'HlabeZulu'. Essentially, Mzilikazi was Zulu but left. Mzilikazi grew up under the Ndwandwe kraal before joining Shaka.
He was Zulu thou,my sister.
@@mxolisimagubane3204 my understanding 🙏 each tribe had their kingship 🙏 zwide ndwandwe 🙏 bhebhe langeni Mhlongo Shaka mother 🙏 mzilikazi amantungwa Khumalo amahlubi 🙏Dingiswayo Mthethwa 🙏all these kingship will do a collaboration when needed sometimes there would be fallout mzilikazi was never Zulu ..the word hlabezulu came after mzilikazi troops won an attack from dingaani he already killed Shaka by this time so.. so he might have went after mzilikazi thinking we would come and revenge Shaka death 🙏 dingaani attacked all Shaka Zulu alliance ..
@@mxolisimagubane3204true bafuna ukuthini
@@dineomolapo9934hai bo o Khumalo abasiwona amahlubi please, you know nothing about amahlubi clan.
Zimbabwean Ngunis are confused...
How does a Xhosa Mpofu cross the border and then become Ndebele in the new territory???
Why do the Zulu people of Khumalo, Mtshali clans suddenly become Ndebele in Zim?
We need education Maan...
It didn't happen overnight