I love the care and precision you do even when making a bag clip. All woodworkers should have your desire to do everything you touch to the best of your ability. A true inspiration for the rest of us!
Great tip there Peter! I have a small Bosch shop vac that takes really expensive paper bags. My workaround is to pop some duck tape on one side of the bag at the bottom, then make a cut through that side. Empty the bag, wipe over the duck tape and then apply another strip over the first. Then when you need to empty, just remove and and replace the tape.
Ingenious idea, Peter, and I love the way you work, mate. Fluid easy movements, it’s clear you know your trade better than the back of your hand 😂. Great to see another craftsman take pride in what he does. 👍🏻
Without being constantly repetitive ....you're a top pro. I always look forward to your next new ideas and professional content etc etc. Thanks for sharing. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Just made 2 re-usable bags for my Rigid vacs. I don't have a track saw so I used 1/2" cpvc pipe, 2 pieces of 5/8" ply, and since I had no double face tape I used duct tape. I placed the pipe between the boards and applied the tape on the top side, adjusting my blade on my table saw to just cut through the pipe wall. Worked great. I did have to double fold the bag though. And on my rectangular Rigid vac I had to double fold the bag and I added 3 cut off strips from nylon zip ties inside the fold. Perfect fit. Just need to get me another pleated filter fine particle cover and I'll be all set. BTW I connected 5 of my bench top tools to a plenum with DIY blast gates so that I can select which tool receives suction. Works great. Since I didn't want to spend more money on couplings to attach my vac hose to my cyclonic separator I used my heat gun and pvc pipe to make these connections. Took about 30 min. The plenum and the bench top tools are hinged under hinged covers on my workbench. Two separate vac lines go to my TS and router table, the RT fits between the rails of my TS the bench acts as outfield support. Cool setup.
This is awesome! I don't have the tools or dexterity to do this but there are some other solutions mentioned that should work. I'm going to try the slide binder and fold over the bag over a length of scrap matboard. Just playing around with it and it's super snug so I'm in for some dirty work tomorrow! 😀 thank you! 🖖
I was thinking that a straightened piece of coathanger wire placed in the fold would have added strength - then I saw the outro test. OK you've cracked it. I think that re-using is the way to go. Those bags [materials and manufacturing] must produce quite a 'footprint' and don't appear very recyclable. Thanks for helping to provide that option to others.
Thanks! Yes, a piece of thick wire/thin dowel would add to the overall strength, but it's pretty good as it is. And yes, it would be nice if the bags were bio-degradable, but they don't seem to be AFAICT.
Great video. Wish I had all those tools, an awesome workshop and killer skills, but I don't. Sooo... A pair or household scissors and masking tape will have to do. It worked!! You just gotta make sure you tape nicely the borders of where you cut, and then tape over them again with masking tape nice and tight to seal, to make the pealing process of the tape again to empty the bag, make sure to cut the masking tape a bit longer and then fold the end over just about half a centimeter, so essentially you're making yourself an easy grab tab for the future, for when you wanna empty the bag again. Thanks a million for the great ideas in this video. I'll be saving a ton of money and time!!! YEY!! ✌️💕🙏🤩
I've always used the plastic strip that comes when you buy plastic A4 size folders . Slights on and off easily as its moulded to be springy .W H Smiths sells them
Legend 👍 I like the idea in the video and would do it this way in a workshop but out on site it would get lost, or thrown out by mistake, your comment is ideal for me, buy a few leave spares in the van ready for the inevitable 🤣 thank you 👍
Awesome!!! Did I mention Awesome? Thank you. I just bought my first CT, Midi I Hepa. I will be attaching a Dust Deputy Separator, however, I will also modify my bag just as additional insurance for minimizing future expenditures.
I know with the expense of those bags it can get quite costly replacing them after every job. This is a brilliant way to save some money at the same time. Thank you for sharing! Many blessings to you.
Thanks! And to be totally fair, there are times when a disposable bag is the best solution due to the contents, but yes I agree - it should be an option to use a disposable bag, not the default! 👍👍
Thanks for the instructive video. I did something a little different to cut the channel in the PVC pipe. I simply clamped the pipe firmly in the end vice of my workbench, being sure it was below the level of the top, not critical how far below. Since the pipe is only 9 inches or so the end vise extends beyond the pipe. I mounted a 1/8th inch straight cut bit in a router, and attached a fence which was had a shallow enough end to clear the vice's handle mount, in my case, I removed it since it was only held on with an expansion pin, then inserted a long nail punch to maintain the vice's pressure. Set the bit deep enough to cut the pipe. Then running the fence and router along the end vice cut the channel, being sure not to cut through the first and last 1/4 inch so that the pressure from the vice didn't close up the kerf. I went back and cut the two ends with a small hand saw.
Just did this for a nilfisk 26-21 shop vac bag - lesson learnt = measure or check the drum size !! Cut across the bag, made the clip, even inserted a small dowel only to find it does not fit as bag folds up to fit :-( bag now taped up and did it again but only cutting off a 45 degree corner about 150mm. DOH !! Still a simple and great idea.
Good Idea Peter. I don't have a Festool. My bags are paper. I use A4 side binders from ebay to do a similar thing but the paper bags cant hack it. I must try to find a cloth bag that fits my cleaner. Thanks for the video Peter. Keep up the good work our friend.
I've done it to my (2) Festool and (1) Mirka vacuum. One thing I added was to seal the new opening in the bag with wide masking tape as extra protection to dust leakage before folding over the seam and sliding on the tubing. I have some paper bags that I hope the tape won't damage when peeling it off to empty. Next time I empty I'll try adding the dowel that fredjrodgers suggested (good idea). I'll be happy with a couple of uses of the bags before discarding/replacing. Thanks again Peter!
Nice one Peter. Interestingly enough, I kept my reusable flat plastic slip from my old vac & have been using the same method on my Kärcher vac bags. However, I only use it for 1 refill only, then dump the bag. Still saves me £30.00 a year. Well done
Great idea. I wanted a bag for my central vac and this fits bill. If you want to add extra security so it doesn't slip put a small dowel in where you fold the bag over (inside the fold) and then slip the pipe on the bag with the dowel in the center of the pipe.
Clever and practical idea. Thanks for sharing. Congratulations to your 25K subscriber milestone. The snowball effect is starting to work (even without snow). With snow 50K till the end of the coming up winter.
This is hilarious. I always assumed the reusable bags were a zipper of some kind but never looked it up. But after 2-3 different designs I came up with exactly this design about 2-3 years ago having never seen anything like it. Right around the time you made this video. Literally the same grey irrigation pipe lol.
Gaffer tape? More leftovers from your photography days, Peter? Excellent tip today. Now I can go back to using my Festool extractor without thinking about the ridiculous cost of bags. Thank you!
An alternative is to use the domestic sewing machine to seal the end of the bag; at the next change the sewn seam can be unpicked or, more quickly, cut off although this will reduce the capacity of the bag slightly when re-sewn. Festool's reusable bag is now £170 in the UK!
I tried this just for fun but messed up the cut and made it too wide. I hot-glued 4 dowels (slightly smaller than the tube's inner diameter) in the fold and it worked! Thanks for his great tip!
Very late comment, but I wonder if a wooden scewer on the end when folded into the fabric would create a better seal since its rounded and sturdy like the pipe? Gonna try this on a roomba. Many thanks
Great idea! The only thing not mentioned is to make sure that the length of the tube will fit inside the cleaner, but I guess that's kind of obvious...
That is way more simple than I was expecting it to be! I probably would have came up with something a lot more convoluted. I suppose another quick way to do it would be to use two small offcuts and screw them together over the end of the bag
I used this method of the video for the kirby sentria i have with twist style hepa bags for reusing the 5 usd dollar vacuum bags... much less expensive that way
Thanks! You could try a ready-made ‘slide binder’ - the kind of thing you use to keep a few sheets of paper together, like these, amzn.to/3pua5p7 They come in different thicknesses, too! 👍👍
Nice one Peter. I am no filter or filtration expert, but I suspect there is a limit to how often you can do this before the bag becomes ‘clogged’ and starts to shed particles greater than 1 micron and so starts to defeat the purpose it was intended for. At a guess I would say if you are on your fourth reuse of a bag make it your last and celebrate your savings by putting a new bag in next time.
Filters/bags work the other way. The more clogged, the more they filter. Downside is the motor has to work harder to pull air through. Neither will be an issue with material this thin. 👍
@@CabinetFramingUK That’s perfectly true - up to a point. Filtration is more effective after a ‘bedding in’ period of a new filter, but after time as the filter medium becomes ‘choked’ and differential pressure rises with the result that larger particles are forced through the medium in what is referred to as ‘filter shedding’. Don’t ask how I know.😉
hi peter, it would be great if you could revisit this either per job or per week to see how it holds up. even if it only lasts a couple of times that's still a significant saving over a year. if you could get 5 or 10 fills before its unusable it would be great as they only go into landfill. great tip there thanks
Interesting idea Andrew; the trouble is that I only really use this vac for installs, and I’m not doing many of those right now. But good idea - it’ll be a long-term test though! 👍👍
Great lesson and love your work bench with holes. I'm thinking of making my own bags from washable fabric, I wonder if anyone here has tried that and knows of a suitable fabric?. I like what I read in a couple of the comments about using the plastic A4 folder strips, might give that a go as I dont have that nice saw you used to cut pipe.
A PVC pipe with a cut along the length is also a good way to make a hand saw protector (to cover the teeth of the hand saw - to avoid cutting yourself / make sure the teeth don't dull)
Thanks! And yep, why create more waste than you need? The bags themselves seem to be shockingly un-recyclable or bio-degradable, so the fewer used, the better IHMO 👍
I was long time ago on festools list for kidney donation for exange for a festool vacuum, I ended up giving my pancreas as well to get the reusable bag
I’ve been doing this for years. It’s a great tip. But, be aware that there is a finite number of times that you can re-use a disposable bag before its performance drops so much that it’s useless. All vacuum bags are designed with small holes in them; from the first moment you turn the vacuum on, the bag starts to lose efficiency because holes get filled and that means air throughput is reducing which means less suction. Of course. That initial loss is not noticeable but the more you use the bag, and particularly re-use the bag, then suction reduces more and more. If you can wash the re-usable bag, that’s great but many or most are made of paper-like material which doesn’t like water very much. The other factor in suction power and efficiency is the vacuum filter or filters. Clean them regularly and make sure you get an airtight fit when re-assembling. Loss of suction is just annoying and it means taking longer to clean up. However, it is quite possible that badly maintained bags and filters allow through the finest particles into the air and into your lungs - the smaller the particles, the more injurious to health they are. I probably re-use my disposable bags 2,3 but no more than 4 times. I still make a great saving but hopefully not at a significant cost to my health
Peter, I’ve got the ctl26. £35 for 5 bags from Axminster so at £7 per bag I wasn’t complaining but then I watched this video. I didn’t want to start cutting the bags up so I got the nearly full bag out of the machine and stuck my Henry hoover hose through the hole and hoovered all the mdf dust out of the bag. It filled my Henry (which is bagless) three times over but the Festool bag was now empty and ready to use again. I don’t know how many times I can do this before it affects the bag performance but if I only do it once per bag it’ll mean I’m only buying new bags every six months rather than every three months...
Would you foresee shortening the life of the motor or decreasing the pressure of the vacuum as the bag fibers get clogged? Perhaps just banging it in the counter would clear the fibers. Great video though
That’s possible, depending on what it is you’re sucking up. But as I say in the vid I’m not suggesting you use one disposable bag forever, but reusing it a few times to reduce the cost of consumables. Obviously, if you’re using it whilst sanding fine filler, then the bag is best disposed of when it inevitably clogs. 👍👍
You didn’t show the modified bag in action? I was using Henry bags (one a day) until I discovered plastic cyclones on eBay and a 30l plastic drum. Makes for a pre-filter before the Henry and almost 99% efficient so (so far) not needed another bag. 30l+ of sawdust is surprisingly heavy too!
It’s an identical bag to the one I’ve used in previous videos - literally from the same box of bags - so it will perform identically. Cyclones are great in the shop, not so good out and about 👍👍
so glad i found this!! nice to be able to save some cash whenever possible... how many times do you usually re-use the bag? im a bit concerned of the pores clogging up over multiple uses. very nice video BTW!!
Thanks! Depends what you’re vacuuming up - if it’s a lot of fine dust or something particularly nasty then I wouldn’t bother - that’s the beauty of disposable bags - but if it’s regular workshop dust then I’d say until you can notice a drop in suction. Even if you only reuse them once, you’ve halved your bag costs. 👍👍
Thoughts on applying this technique to Electrolux Type C canister bags? I have a couple of Electrolux and a Shark vacuum. I use the shark primarily since it is bagless and I have a German Shedder. I mean Shepherd. I fill the shark up so fast. But what I don't like is that it takes very little hair to cause the Shark to lose it's vacuum which the Electrolux does not due. The amount of bags the Electrolux would use could break a small bank.
The first Festool Person i can respect and subscribe to off the bat. also that one person who unlike it probably didnt sand it and just messed it all up 🤣
Nice one Peter, thats it, i am going to do the same for the "Wifes" Henry... BTW have you seen New Brit Workshop latest Video, Peter has got Festool's new Festool CT20 VA Cyclone Interceptor.... looks good for you guys, probably cost £23,599 but cheap at half the price... 👍
i was always lead to believe if you use the bag over too many times they clog and will eventually burn the motor out not trying to be the fly in the ointment just curious if i was mislead lord knows i hate festool consumables
If you use the too many times on very fine dust then yes, they’ll eventually clog - even the Festool ‘long life’ bags are rated at only 500 uses, or something like that. But as you probably know, the Festool bags have more in common with the shirt on your back than the newspaper you read, and they can be used safely many times, in my experience. Common sense, as always, needs to be applied though - and even if you only reuse the bag once, you’re halving your consumable costs. 👍👍
I've been using the unpick and tape method in my Hitachi house vacuum for 10 years. Probably bought I pack of 10 bags in that time. I reckon with this method I could get away with 2 bags now 🤣
Hi Peter that’s great, I have the Festool reusable bag and have to say it’s rubbish, I’ve had it replaced by Festool twice and refused a third, it bocks up inside, it’s like between the fabric, yes you can blow it out with a compressor but who wants to do that.
Interesting. As I say in the vid I have the long-life bag in my CTL22 and it’s been faultless - then again it’s ancient. Maybe they made them better back then 🤔👍
I don't know how wide the Festool bag is, but if it is more or less 12" wide, you could use a stationery product called a Slide Binder. It's a simple extrusion. You can buy a pack of 25 for £5.46 on Amazon. They are made for A4 papers, so if the Festool bag is wider than 12 inches, you could use two, trimmed to appropriate length. Don't blame me for being a smart-Aleck. I used to be a paper-clip salesman...
My Hoover has always had a paper bag that could, after the initial use, be prised apart at the bottom, dust emptied into the bin before being held securely tight with one of those plastic strips used to hold sheets of A4 paper together. I must have saved a small fortune on bags and oh, I forgot to say the Hoover Turbopower 1000 is circa, wait for this... 1992!!!!
I wouldn’t rule it out completely, Patrick, but it’s unlikely tbh. It would be a vast amount of additional work, and to what end, really - so that some folks can watch us chatting? I think we’ll concentrate on making the audio podcast work as best we can before getting any more adventurous! 👍👍
Patrick Niedermeyer Ah, OK. The podcasts are available on TH-cam, but we don’t monitor the comments closely as it’s not a format we really want to support right now. Best way to comment is through Instagram or Twitter, or by email, of course. All these details are in the show notes of every episode, and on the measuringuppodcast.com website 👍👍
Dont "Snag the Bag"....the thought hurts just thinking about it im sure you had a few guys cringing , great little way to reuse them bags Peter ,and im sure its cheaper then what i do changing out the hepa filters one your demo ,one for saw dust and one for clean up (about the price of another vacuum)
Thanks Syd! As I say, I mostly just chuck mine away ‘cos they’re full of nastiness, but I’ll be keeping a ‘reusable’ bag or two around for when I’m just ‘working wood’ 👍👍 Also, never thought of swapping bags -one for cleanup, another for cuts etc.. Great idea! 👍👌
I was really going to try this and then I realised that the 25l bags in my vacuum get really heavy when full. But yeah great tip for small but expensive bags.
My main vac is 22 litres and has a reusable bag just like this. If you put a stiff wire or length of small dowel in the fold when you turn the end of bag over, there’s no way it’ll pull through, if that’s what concerns you?? 👍👍
My main concern is that a full bag is 20+kg, which often enough makes me wonder if the bag itself won't rip. Then again they're 25 litres, and €14,95 per 5. So I'd only save myself a tenner a year at the most.
I have a much cheaper Karcher MV5-P. I think it was €195 on sale in Germany when I got it. Though I only use the bags in the workshop, when the cleaning lady uses it I swap the filter and remove the bag. Keeps the fine sanding dust out of the house.
Oh.. & while I'm here.. ALDI HAS GOT LOTS OF TOOLS IN STORE. I nearly bought a mini inverter WELDER! Then I thought... what would I use a welder for..? I Know..! I'll weld my axe and hammer together and invent the HAMCHET ☺
@@10MinuteWorkshop there is one 10 miles from me, it's like a super Aldi or something it's Massive! Also a Lidl next to it 200 yards across the street. I'm unsure of Parkside V's Workzone. Cheap and cheerful, never a better saying ☺
How could I make this if I dont have a work bench or a electric saw? Is there another alternative to make a seal for a reusable bag that anyone has thought of ?
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I love the care and precision you do even when making a bag clip. All woodworkers should have your desire to do everything you touch to the best of your ability. A true inspiration for the rest of us!
Thanks! 👍
Great tip there Peter! I have a small Bosch shop vac that takes really expensive paper bags. My workaround is to pop some duck tape on one side of the bag at the bottom, then make a cut through that side. Empty the bag, wipe over the duck tape and then apply another strip over the first. Then when you need to empty, just remove and and replace the tape.
Nice! 👍👍
Genius! Why make it hard, when simple is good enough!
Please, show us a picture.
I was going to order the festool long life reusable bag....... You've just saved me over a hundred pounds...Thankyou.
That’s excellent news! Where shall I send the invoice... 😂😂👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop please send your invoice to number elevnthly twenthly twelve of never Street,
Good-Luckville,
TH1 ANK5
Done! 😂😂👍
Absolutely brilliant method of slicing a pipe! I would never have that of that; ingenious, controlled and safe. Thanks for a great video
Ingenious idea, Peter, and I love the way you work, mate. Fluid easy movements, it’s clear you know your trade better than the back of your hand 😂. Great to see another craftsman take pride in what he does. 👍🏻
Thank you! 👍
Without being constantly repetitive ....you're a top pro. I always look forward to your next new ideas and professional content etc etc. Thanks for sharing. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks Pete! 👍👍
Just made 2 re-usable bags for my Rigid vacs. I don't have a track saw so I used 1/2" cpvc pipe, 2 pieces of 5/8" ply, and since I had no double face tape I used duct tape. I placed the pipe between the boards and applied the tape on the top side, adjusting my blade on my table saw to just cut through the pipe wall. Worked great. I did have to double fold the bag though. And on my rectangular Rigid vac I had to double fold the bag and I added 3 cut off strips from nylon zip ties inside the fold. Perfect fit. Just need to get me another pleated filter fine particle cover and I'll be all set.
BTW I connected 5 of my bench top tools to a plenum with DIY blast gates so that I can select which tool receives suction. Works great.
Since I didn't want to spend more money on couplings to attach my vac hose to my cyclonic separator I used my heat gun and pvc pipe to make these connections. Took about 30 min.
The plenum and the bench top tools are hinged under hinged covers on my workbench. Two separate vac lines go to my TS and router table, the RT fits between the rails of my TS the bench acts as outfield support. Cool setup.
Peter that is a brilliant hack! I've just bought the Festool Vac for my workshop and one of my viewers sent me the link to this. Regards JP
This is awesome! I don't have the tools or dexterity to do this but there are some other solutions mentioned that should work. I'm going to try the slide binder and fold over the bag over a length of scrap matboard. Just playing around with it and it's super snug so I'm in for some dirty work tomorrow! 😀 thank you! 🖖
TONS of money saved here! LOVE it!
I was thinking that a straightened piece of coathanger wire placed in the fold would have added strength - then I saw the outro test. OK you've cracked it. I think that re-using is the way to go. Those bags [materials and manufacturing] must produce quite a 'footprint' and don't appear very recyclable. Thanks for helping to provide that option to others.
Thanks! Yes, a piece of thick wire/thin dowel would add to the overall strength, but it's pretty good as it is. And yes, it would be nice if the bags were bio-degradable, but they don't seem to be AFAICT.
Great video. Wish I had all those tools, an awesome workshop and killer skills, but I don't. Sooo... A pair or household scissors and masking tape will have to do.
It worked!!
You just gotta make sure you tape nicely the borders of where you cut, and then tape over them again with masking tape nice and tight to seal, to make the pealing process of the tape again to empty the bag, make sure to cut the masking tape a bit longer and then fold the end over just about half a centimeter, so essentially you're making yourself an easy grab tab for the future, for when you wanna empty the bag again.
Thanks a million for the great ideas in this video.
I'll be saving a ton of money and time!!!
YEY!!
✌️💕🙏🤩
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I've always used the plastic strip that comes when you buy plastic A4 size folders . Slights on and off easily as its moulded to be springy .W H Smiths sells them
...you are so SMART! Thanks for sharing!
Legend 👍 I like the idea in the video and would do it this way in a workshop but out on site it would get lost, or thrown out by mistake, your comment is ideal for me, buy a few leave spares in the van ready for the inevitable 🤣 thank you 👍
I don’t understand to what strip you are referring.
Awesome!!! Did I mention Awesome? Thank you. I just bought my first CT, Midi I Hepa. I will be attaching a Dust Deputy Separator, however, I will also modify my bag just as additional insurance for minimizing future expenditures.
Thank you Peter for taking the time to show us the tip, it's going to be useful. Thanks again :)!
I know with the expense of those bags it can get quite costly replacing them after every job. This is a brilliant way to save some money at the same time. Thank you for sharing! Many blessings to you.
Thanks Tracy! 👍
A really excellent film here! Amazing the manufacturers got away with making all their bags disposable.
Thanks! And to be totally fair, there are times when a disposable bag is the best solution due to the contents, but yes I agree - it should be an option to use a disposable bag, not the default! 👍👍
😊👍🏼 I usually super glue the cut edges of the bag as-well. It stops the bag fraying
Nice! 👍👍
Thanks for the instructive video. I did something a little different to cut the channel in the PVC pipe. I simply clamped the pipe firmly in the end vice of my workbench, being sure it was below the level of the top, not critical how far below. Since the pipe is only 9 inches or so the end vise extends beyond the pipe. I mounted a 1/8th inch straight cut bit in a router, and attached a fence which was had a shallow enough end to clear the vice's handle mount, in my case, I removed it since it was only held on with an expansion pin, then inserted a long nail punch to maintain the vice's pressure. Set the bit deep enough to cut the pipe. Then running the fence and router along the end vice cut the channel, being sure not to cut through the first and last 1/4 inch so that the pressure from the vice didn't close up the kerf. I went back and cut the two ends with a small hand saw.
Another great video thanks Peter. Not only did you present the idea, but your video was a great step by step lesson in how to do it. Thanks again 👍👍👍
Thanks Bob! 👍👍
Just did this. Thanks mate. I’ve been using 2x1 screwed together as a clamp to hold the bag together.
Just did this for a nilfisk 26-21 shop vac bag - lesson learnt = measure or check the drum size !! Cut across the bag, made the clip, even inserted a small dowel only to find it does not fit as bag folds up to fit :-( bag now taped up and did it again but only cutting off a 45 degree corner about 150mm. DOH !!
Still a simple and great idea.
Good Idea Peter. I don't have a Festool. My bags are paper. I use A4 side binders from ebay to do a similar thing but the paper bags cant hack it. I must try to find a cloth bag that fits my cleaner. Thanks for the video Peter. Keep up the good work our friend.
Thanks John! 👍👍
I've done it to my (2) Festool and (1) Mirka vacuum. One thing I added was to seal the new opening in the bag with wide masking tape as extra protection to dust leakage before folding over the seam and sliding on the tubing. I have some paper bags that I hope the tape won't damage when peeling it off to empty. Next time I empty I'll try adding the dowel that fredjrodgers suggested (good idea). I'll be happy with a couple of uses of the bags before discarding/replacing. Thanks again Peter!
Yep, any thin rod will do the job - stiff wire, bamboo skewer, this dowel, whatever you have. 👍👍
Nice one Peter. Interestingly enough, I kept my reusable flat plastic slip from my old vac & have been using the same method on my Kärcher vac bags. However, I only use it for 1 refill only, then dump the bag. Still saves me £30.00 a year. Well done
Yep - lots of time I don’t want to go near what I’ve hoovered up, but for sawdust etc.. it’s fine 👍👍
Great idea. I wanted a bag for my central vac and this fits bill. If you want to add extra security so it doesn't slip put a small dowel in where you fold the bag over (inside the fold) and then slip the pipe on the bag with the dowel in the center of the pipe.
Clever and practical idea. Thanks for sharing. Congratulations to your 25K subscriber milestone.
The snowball effect is starting to work (even without snow). With snow 50K till the end of the coming up winter.
Thanks Hans - and we’ll see 😆👍
This is hilarious. I always assumed the reusable bags were a zipper of some kind but never looked it up. But after 2-3 different designs I came up with exactly this design about 2-3 years ago having never seen anything like it. Right around the time you made this video. Literally the same grey irrigation pipe lol.
Good idea and well presented. Saves money and less landfill…
Gaffer tape? More leftovers from your photography days, Peter? Excellent tip today. Now I can go back to using my Festool extractor without thinking about the ridiculous cost of bags. Thank you!
Haha, yep, force of habit. Duct tape, duct tape, duct tape....😆
An alternative is to use the domestic sewing machine to seal the end of the bag; at the next change the sewn seam can be unpicked or, more quickly, cut off although this will reduce the capacity of the bag slightly when re-sewn.
Festool's reusable bag is now £170 in the UK!
I tried this just for fun but messed up the cut and made it too wide. I hot-glued 4 dowels (slightly smaller than the tube's inner diameter) in the fold and it worked!
Thanks for his great tip!
Nice save! 👍👍
Very late comment, but I wonder if a wooden scewer on the end when folded into the fabric would create a better seal since its rounded and sturdy like the pipe? Gonna try this on a roomba. Many thanks
Perfect.
Nice invention Peter.
Thanks! 👍👍
Thanks for the video, I've been using the same bag now for 3 months, normally I used 2 bags per house.
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Neat handy tip to save a few bucks if your using a vac that's only got disposable bags👍
Good work, man 👌
Cheers for sharing.
Thanks Bill! Or if you want to be a bit more aware of what you’re throwing away, if course 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop true, though I dare say these bags are a good quality biodegradable one, yes?
Now there, you’ve got me Bill. I’ve actually no idea- something to check 👍👍
Great video and helps get the job done whilst saving money, winner all round.
Thanks! 👍👍
Hi Peter, love your channel. I just recently found it, and i am glad i did. As always very entertaining and informative.
Cheers
Andy
Thanks Andy, and welcome! 👍👍
Thanks for making this video. It gave me an idea to use bag clips for my irobot roomba bags. I only need about 6 inches so bag clips it is!
Great idea! The only thing not mentioned is to make sure that the length of the tube will fit inside the cleaner, but I guess that's kind of obvious...
Excellent idea. And I like the testing at the end.
Thanks! 👍👍
That is way more simple than I was expecting it to be! I probably would have came up with something a lot more convoluted. I suppose another quick way to do it would be to use two small offcuts and screw them together over the end of the bag
As always, lots of ways to skin this cat 👍👍
I used this method of the video for the kirby sentria i have with twist style hepa bags for reusing the 5 usd dollar vacuum bags... much less expensive that way
Brilliant idea but Any other suggestions for how to do this with someone who hasn't got a super duper work shop with all the right tools???
Thanks! You could try a ready-made ‘slide binder’ - the kind of thing you use to keep a few sheets of paper together, like these, amzn.to/3pua5p7 They come in different thicknesses, too! 👍👍
Great idea. You always have interesting videos and I look forward to them. Thanks for sharing
Thanks! 👍
Nice one Peter. I am no filter or filtration expert, but I suspect there is a limit to how often you can do this before the bag becomes ‘clogged’ and starts to shed particles greater than 1 micron and so starts to defeat the purpose it was intended for. At a guess I would say if you are on your fourth reuse of a bag make it your last and celebrate your savings by putting a new bag in next time.
Depends what you’re hoovering up, of course Norman, but I’d be happy with 4# uses - that’s 3 less bags going into landfill and a few quid saved 👍👍
Filters/bags work the other way. The more clogged, the more they filter. Downside is the motor has to work harder to pull air through. Neither will be an issue with material this thin. 👍
@@CabinetFramingUK That’s perfectly true - up to a point. Filtration is more effective after a ‘bedding in’ period of a new filter, but after time as the filter medium becomes ‘choked’ and differential pressure rises with the result that larger particles are forced through the medium in what is referred to as ‘filter shedding’. Don’t ask how I know.😉
Really good tip thank you!
Good tip Peter, think I might look into designing and 3d print a holder with my printer.
Good idea! 👍👍
hi peter, it would be great if you could revisit this either per job or per week to see how it holds up. even if it only lasts a couple of times that's still a significant saving over a year. if you could get 5 or 10 fills before its unusable it would be great as they only go into landfill. great tip there thanks
Interesting idea Andrew; the trouble is that I only really use this vac for installs, and I’m not doing many of those right now. But good idea - it’ll be a long-term test though! 👍👍
I've reused the same bag 10 plus times....
I’d put a piece of fine dowell in the fold , it would help seal & make it easier took on & off.
Piece of fine wire - earth wire or coathangar - works well too 👍
Bamboo skewer?
groceries.morrisons.com/webshop/product/Landmann-Bamboo-Kebab-Skewers/230703011
A great solution! Thanks for such a good money saving tip!
Pleasure, thanks for watching! 😂👍
Hi Peter very informative as always . Thanks for sharing best regards Shaun 😀
Cheers Shaun👍👍
Top job Peter, thanks for sharing.
Cheers Julian 👍👍
Great lesson and love your work bench with holes. I'm thinking of making my own bags from washable fabric, I wonder if anyone here has tried that and knows of a suitable fabric?. I like what I read in a couple of the comments about using the plastic A4 folder strips, might give that a go as I dont have that nice saw you used to cut pipe.
Thank you!! Such a good video!! How do you actually clean it? Do you just spill it out? Or does dirt get stuck in the fibers of the bag too?
No, just spill it out. 👍
A PVC pipe with a cut along the length is also a good way to make a hand saw protector (to cover the teeth of the hand saw - to avoid cutting yourself / make sure the teeth don't dull)
Nice...I like it. Why buy bags more often then needed? Thanks Peter!
Thanks! And yep, why create more waste than you need? The bags themselves seem to be shockingly un-recyclable or bio-degradable, so the fewer used, the better IHMO 👍
Excellent. I was planning on trying heat sensitive tape and a zipper, but that wouldn't make a complete seal.
nice idea, can also a clamping rail may be used
Don’t know tbh - it might work??
Very nice Peter.
You do realise you're now off of Festools Christmas card list don't you.
Thanks! Haha - don’t think I’ve ever been on it! 😂😂👍👍
I was long time ago on festools list for kidney donation for exange for a festool vacuum, I ended up giving my pancreas as well to get the reusable bag
I’ve been doing this for years. It’s a great tip. But, be aware that there is a finite number of times that you can re-use a disposable bag before its performance drops so much that it’s useless. All vacuum bags are designed with small holes in them; from the first moment you turn the vacuum on, the bag starts to lose efficiency because holes get filled and that means air throughput is reducing which means less suction. Of course. That initial loss is not noticeable but the more you use the bag, and particularly re-use the bag, then suction reduces more and more. If you can wash the re-usable bag, that’s great but many or most are made of paper-like material which doesn’t like water very much.
The other factor in suction power and efficiency is the vacuum filter or filters. Clean them regularly and make sure you get an airtight fit when re-assembling.
Loss of suction is just annoying and it means taking longer to clean up. However, it is quite possible that badly maintained bags and filters allow through the finest particles into the air and into your lungs - the smaller the particles, the more injurious to health they are.
I probably re-use my disposable bags 2,3 but no more than 4 times. I still make a great saving but hopefully not at a significant cost to my health
Peter, I’ve got the ctl26. £35 for 5 bags from Axminster so at £7 per bag I wasn’t complaining but then I watched this video. I didn’t want to start cutting the bags up so I got the nearly full bag out of the machine and stuck my Henry hoover hose through the hole and hoovered all the mdf dust out of the bag. It filled my Henry (which is bagless) three times over but the Festool bag was now empty and ready to use again. I don’t know how many times I can do this before it affects the bag performance but if I only do it once per bag it’ll mean I’m only buying new bags every six months rather than every three months...
Make sure you wear a mask when emptying the bagless Henry 👍👍
Would you foresee shortening the life of the motor or decreasing the pressure of the vacuum as the bag fibers get clogged? Perhaps just banging it in the counter would clear the fibers. Great video though
That’s possible, depending on what it is you’re sucking up. But as I say in the vid I’m not suggesting you use one disposable bag forever, but reusing it a few times to reduce the cost of consumables. Obviously, if you’re using it whilst sanding fine filler, then the bag is best disposed of when it inevitably clogs. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Understood...thx
You didn’t show the modified bag in action? I was using Henry bags (one a day) until I discovered plastic cyclones on eBay and a 30l plastic drum. Makes for a pre-filter before the Henry and almost 99% efficient so (so far) not needed another bag. 30l+ of sawdust is surprisingly heavy too!
It’s an identical bag to the one I’ve used in previous videos - literally from the same box of bags - so it will perform identically. Cyclones are great in the shop, not so good out and about 👍👍
would a slider binder work the type you use to keep paper files together 🤔😁
Good idea Peter, anything to make very expensive Festool stuff better value for money
Thanks Richard. To. E fair, these particular Festool bags are almost reasonably priced... Almost 😆👍
i've done the same thing, and used a length of doweling, fold the bag over the dowel, and than run the PVC pipe over it
Yep - dowel it stiff wire helps seal everything up 👍👍
Don't answer your front door for the next few months Peter,the Festool mafia are not to be underestimated! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I know! 👌👍😂😂😆😱
so glad i found this!! nice to be able to save some cash whenever possible... how many times do you usually re-use the bag? im a bit concerned of the pores clogging up over multiple uses. very nice video BTW!!
Thanks! Depends what you’re vacuuming up - if it’s a lot of fine dust or something particularly nasty then I wouldn’t bother - that’s the beauty of disposable bags - but if it’s regular workshop dust then I’d say until you can notice a drop in suction. Even if you only reuse them once, you’ve halved your bag costs. 👍👍
Thoughts on applying this technique to Electrolux Type C canister bags? I have a couple of Electrolux and a Shark vacuum. I use the shark primarily since it is bagless and I have a German Shedder. I mean Shepherd. I fill the shark up so fast. But what I don't like is that it takes very little hair to cause the Shark to lose it's vacuum which the Electrolux does not due. The amount of bags the Electrolux would use could break a small bank.
If it’ll fit inside the housing, I’d say give it a try - only the price of a bag to risk, and a bit of your time! 👍👍🤷♂️
The first Festool Person i can respect and subscribe to off the bat. also that one person who unlike it probably didnt sand it and just messed it all up 🤣
Haha, thanks! 👍👍
Nice one Peter, thats it, i am going to do the same for the "Wifes" Henry... BTW have you seen New Brit Workshop latest Video, Peter has got Festool's new Festool CT20 VA Cyclone Interceptor.... looks good for you guys, probably cost £23,599 but cheap at half the price... 👍
Thanks! Yeah, bit of a big lump the cyclone. Not for me, but guys with bigger workshop will appreciate them. 👍
Amazing! Thank you for this.
Thanks! 👍👍
Wow Manang, woodworker kapala!
i was always lead to believe if you use the bag over too many times they clog and will eventually burn the motor out
not trying to be the fly in the ointment
just curious if i was mislead
lord knows i hate festool consumables
If you use the too many times on very fine dust then yes, they’ll eventually clog - even the Festool ‘long life’ bags are rated at only 500 uses, or something like that. But as you probably know, the Festool bags have more in common with the shirt on your back than the newspaper you read, and they can be used safely many times, in my experience. Common sense, as always, needs to be applied though - and even if you only reuse the bag once, you’re halving your consumable costs. 👍👍
I've been using the unpick and tape method in my Hitachi house vacuum for 10 years. Probably bought I pack of 10 bags in that time. I reckon with this method I could get away with 2 bags now 🤣
Nice one! 😂👍👍
Hi Peter that’s great, I have the Festool reusable bag and have to say it’s rubbish, I’ve had it replaced by Festool twice and refused a third, it bocks up inside, it’s like between the fabric, yes you can blow it out with a compressor but who wants to do that.
Interesting. As I say in the vid I have the long-life bag in my CTL22 and it’s been faultless - then again it’s ancient. Maybe they made them better back then 🤔👍
Think I will try cutting this with a small straight router bit.
I don't know how wide the Festool bag is, but if it is more or less 12" wide, you could use a stationery product called a Slide Binder. It's a simple extrusion. You can buy a pack of 25 for £5.46 on Amazon. They are made for A4 papers, so if the Festool bag is wider than 12 inches, you could use two, trimmed to appropriate length.
Don't blame me for being a smart-Aleck. I used to be a paper-clip salesman...
Thanks, it’s been mentioned; I’d completely forgotten about them when I did this - and paper-clips... 😆👍👍
can you cut the pipe without a workshop and power tools? Just got myself a Samsung Clean Station and don't want to keep buying bags for it.
Great tip, additional fold does help ensure it’s sealed. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Yep. If you want to be super-secure you can put a length of thick wire in the crease of the fold too 👍👍
Great idea,I hope it will works on a paper bag
i just bought a old hoover and it came with a paper bag , haha i was trying to re use now i will do
I think you just saved me $25.00 to start. thanks!
Glad to hear it 😆👍👍
A very useful tip.
If someone does not want to go through the fuss, just use chip bag sealer sticks. You can find them on Amazon. They work excellent!
Yep, mostly for domestic hoovers though, so no,guarantee of the right size. Really cheap,though 👍👍
Nice,
Short on saw tools.
But, I get the idea !
My Hoover has always had a paper bag that could, after the initial use, be prised apart at the bottom, dust emptied into the bin before being held securely tight with one of those plastic strips used to hold sheets of A4 paper together. I must have saved a small fortune on bags and oh, I forgot to say the Hoover Turbopower 1000 is circa, wait for this... 1992!!!!
Peter, any thoughts of making your podcasts into a video format?
I wouldn’t rule it out completely, Patrick, but it’s unlikely tbh. It would be a vast amount of additional work, and to what end, really - so that some folks can watch us chatting? I think we’ll
concentrate on making the audio podcast work as best we can before getting any more adventurous! 👍👍
My comment was borne out of pure selfishness. I just wanted to comment on a couple things you were discussing.
Patrick Niedermeyer Ah, OK. The podcasts are available on TH-cam, but we don’t monitor the comments closely as it’s not a format we really want to support right now. Best way to comment is through Instagram or Twitter, or by email, of course. All these details are in the show notes of every episode, and on the measuringuppodcast.com website 👍👍
Thats a great Idea. I take mine and sandwich double sided tape between the 2 layers and then sew them shut
Dont "Snag the Bag"....the thought hurts just thinking about it im sure you had a few guys cringing , great little way to reuse them bags Peter ,and im sure its cheaper then what i do changing out the hepa filters one your demo ,one for saw dust and one for clean up (about the price of another vacuum)
Thanks Syd! As I say, I mostly just chuck mine away ‘cos they’re full of nastiness, but I’ll be keeping a ‘reusable’ bag or two around for when I’m just ‘working wood’ 👍👍 Also, never thought of swapping bags -one for cleanup, another for cuts etc.. Great idea! 👍👌
With that solution the cost of the festool bags is irrelevant. Very good.
Thanks! And they’ll need replacing at some point, of course, but for regular wood work you should be able to keep them going for a while👍👍
@4:12 Peter is so rock'n'roll, his saw goes up to 11.
Ding Ding! And the,prize for the first person to,pick up that reference goes to... 😂👍👍
Thank you
Festool won’t be too happy with you 👍🥃🏴
They never have been 😂👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop You could always do a "convert the reusable bag into disposable" 😀
Brilliant!
great tip
Thanks!
I remember having something similar on a hoover years ago.
Yep, nothing new 👍👍
Festool are gonna love you 😂
Nah. They never have 😂👍
I was really going to try this and then I realised that the 25l bags in my vacuum get really heavy when full.
But yeah great tip for small but expensive bags.
My main vac is 22 litres and has a reusable bag just like this. If you put a stiff wire or length of small dowel in the fold when you turn the end of bag over, there’s no way it’ll pull through, if that’s what concerns you?? 👍👍
My main concern is that a full bag is 20+kg, which often enough makes me wonder if the bag itself won't rip. Then again they're 25 litres, and €14,95 per 5. So I'd only save myself a tenner a year at the most.
Long life bag for the CTL22 that I have is almost £150 😱
I have a much cheaper Karcher MV5-P. I think it was €195 on sale in Germany when I got it. Though I only use the bags in the workshop, when the cleaning lady uses it I swap the filter and remove the bag. Keeps the fine sanding dust out of the house.
Oh..
& while I'm here..
ALDI HAS GOT LOTS OF TOOLS IN STORE.
I nearly bought a mini inverter WELDER!
Then I thought... what would I use a welder for..?
I Know..! I'll weld my axe and hammer together and invent the HAMCHET ☺
😂😂 I’ve never set foot in an Aldi store, have to confess; I don’t have one near me, fortunately... 😬👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop there is one 10 miles from me, it's like a super Aldi or something it's Massive! Also a Lidl next to it 200 yards across the street. I'm unsure of Parkside V's Workzone.
Cheap and cheerful, never a better saying ☺
How could I make this if I dont have a work bench or a electric saw? Is there another alternative to make a seal for a reusable bag that anyone has thought of ?
A slide-binder can work for sealing the bag. 👍