My favourite thing about Jonathan Bailey's cameo is that he loved season 1 so much he asked to be in the show! He got his friend who is also friends with the executive producer to pass on the message. Alice couldn't find a way to fit him into season 2 but she figured it out for season 3. His involvement got leaked last year and he appeared briefly in the trailer but I think, if it hadn't leaked, they might have kept it under wraps like they did with Olivia Colman and Season 1. No one knew who she was in the show until it was released which I loved because it's so rare these days.
I get what you are saying here But he feels confidence in some areas of life and not others. He KNOWS he can do his school work, especially maths. (He looked over Nick's shoulder (1x01), took one look at the problem Nick was working on --- KNEW that Nick was stuck and practically grabbed the notebook out of Nick's hand , so that he could do Nick's homework for him.) But Charlie is not confident about his looks or his lovability. (And that's what he was talking about to Geoff) (Some people snark when they feel 'attacked' in some way.)
Oh Alice Oseman is absolutely trying to get a season 4. I feel like she made this is final as possible in case it isn't renewed but they're trying to get a season 4 to cover the final volume of the graphic novel (which they're still in the process of writing) and the Nick and Charlie novella.
Absolutely loved this season it was without a doubt the best season so far. Also I was shocked when Nick went to Leeds University since that is where I went to Uni, can't believe I missed Nick
I noticed that the fireworks behind Nick's head were the bisexual colors. I looked at the fireworks behind Tori's head and I couldn't figure out which 'sexuality colors' they were. They seemed to be orange and pink? Couldn't tell. I tried matching colors to flags and somewhere I saw a pansexual flag with similar colors.
@@slm_766 There's a reason I said the first firework that goes off behind her, the orange and pink don't apply (unless they're implying she's a lesbian which would be a divergence from canon). Was trying not to outright state is since it is a spoiler (a lot of people did not grasp why we got a shot of Isaac specifically reacting to Tori's relationship) but before the pink and orange fireworks there's one that's the colour of the asexual flag.
We're now caught up with the comic. She just started putting out new comics to wrap up the story. Hopefully we can get a final season to see it on screen. In the comic they did end this chapter with a bit of a uni conversation. Nick still has decisions to make though. I think she left it out to end on a more uplifting note, in case this is the final season.
I was bingeing so didn't really know which episode I was on so I was like - "why is the next episode not starting?". And then I realized it was the last one and I was NOT prepared.
35:45 Actually if you remember isaac says that the only reason he was there was because they intended to hangout after picking up the results. Also charlie, isaac and tao were not checking their result. Tori is a year older and same age as nick and all the girls and darcy are nicks age as well. That's why all of them were picking out their result as well.
The drinking age is different here but it’s still 18 😂😂😂 BUT that’s in pubs and bars etc….I think at home it’s not illegal as long as they’re like…over 5 😂 so 16 year olds having some alcohol at a party at home isn’t unusual!
omg i didn't realize it was 18, that's so funny 💀 i truly assumed it was 16 from this!!! i guess i didn't go to a lot of parties in high school anyways so maybe they were like that here, too 😂
@@fictionaldarlinghahah oh don’t worry my experience is also based on “I guess I heard somewhere from other people” 😂😂 they can’t go and buy alcohol at 16 but if they’ve already got it at home the they’re fine 😂
I think even in the states it's like that. Something about parental supervision lowers the age. At least I remember that being a thing when I grew up, like my mom let me have sips of her margaritas at restaurants and that was allowed? Or maybe we just never got caught lmao
Yeah Nick is a year ahead. Isaac was only there because they were all going to Nando’s iirc 😂 Charlie was there to get Nick’s results. I assume Tao was there with Elle. Edit: ohh hahah you got it 😂😂😂 it’s gotta be confusing if you’re not from the UK for sure!
That first scene with Tori and Charly in his bed....at first i clould not put my finger on why this felt like familiar to me. Bc. I am only child. Now I guess its from Gilmore girls an reminds me of what Loreley and Rory do on Rorys birthdays in they middle of the night
So, if you want to know more about tori, you should read the book solitaire ! It take place beetween episode 5 and 6 of the season 3 We have the pov of tori and we also got michael for our second main character It's a realy good book (and heartstopper is originaly a spin-of this book) and it will help you understand how tori felt this season We also have some good scene with charlie in the book !
43:00 In the comic books during the Ferris Wheel scene, Tori tells Charlie what her and Micheal's sexualities are. I'm not going to confirm or deny if you are correct for one or both of them.
A while ago she said, she no longer does mcu on youtube. So mcu is patreon exclusive. I think it was because of the hateful debates that often happened in comment section (but I could be wrong about that)
Love the grandma she’s iconic both in the show and in real life I know her from Doctor Who and Midsomer Murders and in Midsomer she plays the most iconic person who knows the time of de@th of the person and so on can’t remember what it’s called anyway I’m kind of a mix of Nick Charlie Tori and Isaac
I kinda find it interesting how much people view David as this disconnected shit character from the family, maybe saying he's like that because of the father but never turning to Sarah. (Disclaimer, this isnt to justify all the shit things he says, but to explain his behavior didnt just magically pop up like that). David is a textbook example of sibling jealousy following a divorce. It is just speculation obviously, but I have seen these behaviors soooo many times. The parents divorced when David was 9 and Nick 5, so already, this must have affected David more. They both continued to be raised by just Sarah, and I can imagine she must have put more attention to Nick, being the baby of the family, or at least that's what young David perceived. With one parent gone, and the other seemingly having a favorite child, child David is gonna get jealous, but he's not gonna turn his anger toward his only parent left. No, turning it towards his younger sibling is so much easier (and yeah it isnt fair to Nick at all. He's not at fault here but kids arent gonna rationalize this). And it looks like this was never taken care of, gets rotten in the kid while he grows up and there we have a shit bitter David. And we clearly see David clinging to the dad, trying to be his favorite, even though the dad doesnt give a shit. It's quite sad to watch (especially the scene of him at christmas waiting at the front door) Obviously, being a single mom raising 2 boys is difficult, there is no denying it, and she's a good mom to Nick. But she shouldnt be viewed as perfect (no human should be viewed as such ^^). The fact that he can still feel some favoritism in the present, doesnt help the situation (her come back to David at the beginning of 2x07 was very funny but it added fuel to the David/Nick conflict) and at the same time, she struggles a little bit to put her foot down when David and Nick argue to protect Nick (like in 2x02, getting mad at David for going into Nick's room or cursing but not for the things he says to Nick). For this situation to get better, it's gonna require discussions between all three of them (cause yeah, dont rely on Stéphane for this ==") and i'm really curious about if the author will dig into that in the last volume. (I will also add, lying to Jane and sneak out would have been the best idea to destroy all the improvement Charlie made with his relationship with his mom)
In season 2, when Nick and Charlie met up with Nick's dad, the dad said that Nick had been visiting him every summer (until recently). I got the impression from some other dialogue that David stayed with the dad a lot, possibly even lived with dad. [If the divorce happened when Nick was 5, it definitely would have affected him as a loss; that's the typical reaction to divorce that young kids have,] But David had been influenced by whatever dad did or said for almost twice as long. It's possible that David was dad's favorite. When Nick tried to meet up with the dad in Paris, the dad kept putting off responding to Nick's texts and when the dad called (when they were on the Eiffel Tower), within a minute after the phone ringing, Nick answered and got a voice mail immediately. I saw the following in season 2 (and some in season 3) [in no logical order]: 1. Dad said Nick couldn't visit him anyway because Martine had redone the kitchen. (Saying this after 'lamenting' that Nick never visited.) 2. Dad said he thought Nick would be graduating soon and was surprised that Nick had 2 more years to go. 3. Dad emphasized how David always had lots of girlfriends when he was Nick's age. And recommended that Nick keep up with his rugby so that he could get girlfriends. 4. When Dad said he was going to England for a small business trip (not expressly to visit Nick) -- Nick invited his dad to dinner. Dad only looked excited about coming to dinner when Nick pointed out that David would be glad to see him. 5. When dad finally called to get Nick to come to the cafe, it was after several of Nick's texts revealed the lessening of time left for Nick to be in Paris. And when Nick got there, within 10 minutes, dad got the phone call so he had to leave. 6. In season 2 at the dinner, Nick told David that he no longer cared about all his bullying. (He referred to David as acting like a 10 year old, which gave me the impression that David had been bullying him from that age.) 7. David definitely had a grievance similar to Nick's: When dad was about to leave after the dinner, he did not bother to announce that he was leaving. Nick knew because Dad had to pass him on the way to the door. David only found out when he wandered downstairs; he looked surprised that Dad was already leaving. Dad did not know where David went to school in Scotland. (Implying to me that dad seldom communicated or visited David there.) Apparently dad habitually promised to pop in on Christmas but never did. (David still believes dad's promises (while Nick has finally given up on them.)) 8. In both season 2 and season 3, David revealed a lot of ignorance about issues related to LGBT+ issues as well as psychology. He treated prejudices as fact. (Part of his style of bullying Nick) *** *** *** The dad had basically influenced both sons to take up rugby (because it was important to dad). Playing rugby was part of what it meant to "be a man" and would win them girlfriends. Not directly related to dad's behavior, but I found Nick's story about rugby summer camp revealing. Nick realizes now that he had a crush on the instructor. He seemed to respond to the instructor's giving him attention and helping him with rugby. Nick said he was influenced to try harder than he normally would have. When dad came to dinner in season 2, he and David were hanging out on the couch, ignoring everyone else while they cheered on the rugby match. Nick, who actually loved playing rugby, was not interested in watching the match. (Just throwing that out there -- I think it's telling but I haven't put together the idea behind my intuition, yet.) *** *** In the book Nick and Charlie, Charlie mentions that David brags about having lots of girlfriends and cheating on them. *** *** We can understand more about Nick after watching David's behavior. David did not respect Nick's boundaries or privacy. He felt he had the right to take his computer console without asking; to enter his room any time he pleased; to ignore Nick's request that he leave when he studied or had a guest; to snoop in Nick's room (which is how he saw the picture of Nick and Charlie kissing); to grab Nick's phone. When Sarah told David that he had no right to go into Nick's room -- David said that Nick had left out the photos of Charlie and him kissing in plain sight (if anyone anyone sneaked into the room in the first place); David said that if Nick didn't want him to know about Charlie (and the kissing), he should have hidden the photos away --- in effect blaming Nick for David's invasion of privacy. && One of the first things we learn about Nick in 1x01 was that he has a strong sensitivity against anyone's invading boundaries. He finds Ben assaulting Charlie and the first thing he says after grabbing Ben by the collar and heaving him awasy, as far as he could: "He told you to stop!" (No means no). *** Someone 'taught' David that Nick had no rights. *** *** *** Well I've rambled on... 😊 🩷💜🩵
I’m kinda on the mom side here Charlie is 16 like when were we doing boyfriend,girlfriend sleep overs I’m in my 20’s and my mom would still say no plus she wasn’t saying no she just said wait until his exams were over considering the last time they were letting these sleepovers happen Charlie stopped doing his homework Also four hours will be hard but not impossible it can still work
You refer to four hours -- what is that about? Are you talkinga bout the GCSE exams? According to book 5, at the time that Charlie and his mom compromised ---- that Charlie and Nick could have ONE sleepover after the GCSE's --- Nick pointed out that that was only 3 weeks away. [He also pointed out that the sex they had just done did not require a sleepover] The GCSE's are not a one-day 4 hour test. They are taken over a 3 week period. Each test might be 90 minutes. (Maybe more) If you look at Nick's grade report, he took 9 separate GCSE tests. The report shows the following subjects and scores: English 6 Maths 5 Chemistry 6 Biology 7 Physics 7 French 9 Physical Education 9 Geography 8 Psychology 6 We already knew that maths was his weakest subject and the 9s in French and PE are no surprise.
If you are referring to the comments in season 2, the instructor said that Charlie's achievement/grades had always been stellar. They had started to "slip" There was no claim that he had stopped doing his homework. If he had been getting stellar grades (possibly an A average) --- a 'slip' could mean a B average. There was one history term paper/essay that Charlie needed to finish by the end of the term. He knew that that was weeks away and that he could finish it. And he did finish it by the end of the term. *** *** *** They were not regularly having sleepovers. They had one sleepover for the party in which Nick was going to come out to Imogen. Everybody slept in the living room and left the next morning. Having mixed gender sleepovers did not seem to be an issue. [In the comment sections related to other Reactors' pages, people from the UK (and some European countries) talked about the kinds of sleepover that Nick and Charlie were suggesting was quite common and accepted. (The age of consent in the UK is 16; When Nick suggested the sleepover, he was 17 and Charlie had turned 16 -- they were both "legal".) ]
Olivia Colman wasn’t in Season 3 due to scheduling conflicts. Even her scenes from Season 2 were filmed all in two days because of her schedule
she was here in spirit 😭
between this and Agatha All Along, this is Joe Locke world and we're just living in it!
“I love how it’s raining over at Nick and Charlie’s subdivision but not over here”
Yeah, welcome to England.
We have similar microclimates in San Francisco, too.
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“And Isaac showed up for chicken” made me cackle!!
Me after hearing Michael speak for 20 seconds: hmm yes…I love him…he can stay
him giving that lil thrifted cat figurine 😭😭
@@fictionaldarling10/10 would befriend immediately
you should read Solitaire, you'll fall in love with him even more
My favourite thing about Jonathan Bailey's cameo is that he loved season 1 so much he asked to be in the show! He got his friend who is also friends with the executive producer to pass on the message. Alice couldn't find a way to fit him into season 2 but she figured it out for season 3.
His involvement got leaked last year and he appeared briefly in the trailer but I think, if it hadn't leaked, they might have kept it under wraps like they did with Olivia Colman and Season 1. No one knew who she was in the show until it was released which I loved because it's so rare these days.
omg i love that!!
They did a whole "meet Jack Maddox" promo with him months before the season aired, so they didn't exactly keep it under wraps
Charlie:”I am not confident” also Charlie: literally talks back and is a sarcastic little ass to everyone😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love him😂
I get what you are saying here
But he feels confidence in some areas of life and not others.
He KNOWS he can do his school work, especially maths.
(He looked over Nick's shoulder (1x01), took one look at the problem Nick was working on --- KNEW that Nick was stuck and practically grabbed the notebook out of Nick's hand , so that he could do Nick's homework for him.)
But Charlie is not confident about his looks or his lovability. (And that's what he was talking about to Geoff)
(Some people snark when they feel 'attacked' in some way.)
My favorite this season was: „ok, so what are we? Your imaginary friends?!“ 😂
“Whoever’s the announcer for that school” Stephen Fry!
OH MY GOD?!?!?! i LOVE that
@@fictionaldarlingtook you 3 seasons to notice 😂
@@ParadoxFreak HE'S BEEN DOING IT THIS WHOLE TIME??!!? mindblown, obsessed, omg
"Issac showed up for chicken" 😂
Jonathan Bailey is literally here to be a hot, charming, intelligent, gay icon for the next generation, and I love that for him ❤
Little Mr. Farouk destroyed me.
Same 💀
It makes me so mad that they haven't learned to lock the door!!!!
I don't know about their house, but the bedrooms in my houses
(when I was growing up as well as nowadays) have not had locks.
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Oh Alice Oseman is absolutely trying to get a season 4. I feel like she made this is final as possible in case it isn't renewed but they're trying to get a season 4 to cover the final volume of the graphic novel (which they're still in the process of writing) and the Nick and Charlie novella.
I am not ready to see THE argument
Absolutely loved this season it was without a doubt the best season so far. Also I was shocked when Nick went to Leeds University since that is where I went to Uni, can't believe I missed Nick
As well as the zoom in on Isaac it's worth looking at the colours of the first firework that goes off behind Tori in the final scene of winter...
I noticed that the fireworks behind Nick's head were the bisexual colors.
I looked at the fireworks behind Tori's head and I couldn't figure out which 'sexuality colors' they were.
They seemed to be orange and pink? Couldn't tell. I tried matching colors to flags and somewhere I saw a pansexual flag with similar colors.
@@slm_766 There's a reason I said the first firework that goes off behind her, the orange and pink don't apply (unless they're implying she's a lesbian which would be a divergence from canon). Was trying not to outright state is since it is a spoiler (a lot of people did not grasp why we got a shot of Isaac specifically reacting to Tori's relationship) but before the pink and orange fireworks there's one that's the colour of the asexual flag.
@@slm_766the first one to appear behind her were the ace flag colors
This season fully broke me, I love your videos your amazing.❤🍂
it was such a heartbreaking season!! 😭😭
We're now caught up with the comic. She just started putting out new comics to wrap up the story. Hopefully we can get a final season to see it on screen.
In the comic they did end this chapter with a bit of a uni conversation. Nick still has decisions to make though. I think she left it out to end on a more uplifting note, in case this is the final season.
“We could at least rewind The Runaway Bride” you have good ideas
have spent ~many~ christmases doing exactly that, lol
23:53-24:10 exactly! i couldn’t even do that at school just presenting in front of the class
Geoff is an icon and we love him
The "announcer" (headmaster) is Stephen Fry, a gay actor and British national treasure
I always cry for baby Mr Farouk
I was bingeing so didn't really know which episode I was on so I was like - "why is the next episode not starting?". And then I realized it was the last one and I was NOT prepared.
35:45 Actually if you remember isaac says that the only reason he was there was because they intended to hangout after picking up the results. Also charlie, isaac and tao were not checking their result. Tori is a year older and same age as nick and all the girls and darcy are nicks age as well. That's why all of them were picking out their result as well.
The drinking age is different here but it’s still 18 😂😂😂 BUT that’s in pubs and bars etc….I think at home it’s not illegal as long as they’re like…over 5 😂 so 16 year olds having some alcohol at a party at home isn’t unusual!
omg i didn't realize it was 18, that's so funny 💀 i truly assumed it was 16 from this!!! i guess i didn't go to a lot of parties in high school anyways so maybe they were like that here, too 😂
@@fictionaldarlinghahah oh don’t worry my experience is also based on “I guess I heard somewhere from other people” 😂😂 they can’t go and buy alcohol at 16 but if they’ve already got it at home the they’re fine 😂
Also they're teenagers, even if it was illegal they're still gonna do it
I think even in the states it's like that. Something about parental supervision lowers the age. At least I remember that being a thing when I grew up, like my mom let me have sips of her margaritas at restaurants and that was allowed? Or maybe we just never got caught lmao
@@mxbubbles4753real 😂
I wanna thank you for fading in that picture of Agatha and "teen"... The latest episode just dropped gonna watch that and come back.
YAY ITS FINALLY HERE PART 2!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'VE BEEN WAITING 4EVER!!!!!
❤🧡💛💚💙💜🖤🤍
I love Jonathan's Bridgeton/heartstopper crossover so much
If they go with Season 4, they will probably base part of it on the Nick and Charlie novella, which is about Nick going to uni.
Yes, and the 6th book that isn't already out...
Last book and last season, and after we will all be sad 😢
I need to find out more about Imogen’s storyline
19:22 you’re not allowed to cry, cause then I’ll cry😭😭😭
WE NEED SEASON 4!!
girl i wish we could see your reaaction to all the agatha all along tea 😭
Yeah Nick is a year ahead. Isaac was only there because they were all going to Nando’s iirc 😂 Charlie was there to get Nick’s results. I assume Tao was there with Elle.
Edit: ohh hahah you got it 😂😂😂 it’s gotta be confusing if you’re not from the UK for sure!
Please react to Agatha All Along!
I think her MCU reactions are exclusively on her Patreon
Season 4 is confirmed but it’s also confirmed to be the last one😢😢
omg i didn't know it was confirmed, that's amazing news!! although being the last season is sad 😭
@@fictionaldarling it is NOT confirmed unfortunately, they gave you false info :( Alice, the crew and the actors are waiting for Netflix's decision
@@lisaistryingtolivei apologize, I misread what they were saying about season 4.
I’m obsessed with heartstopper I have all the books that Alice made I have heartstopper shoes for goodness sake. This is the best season ever.❤
This season made me cry😭
21:42 nvm I'm crying on my own☹️
no girl don't worry the GCSE thing also confused me too lol I was so lost
Jonathan Bailey was in Broadchurch?! WHAT?!
Yes, he was so young, that I said "He's a baby!"
He played the young reporter for the newspaper.
He was cute then, too.
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Alice told she have to wait what see sea film and Netflix is saying for season 4
That first scene with Tori and Charly in his bed....at first i clould not put my finger on why this felt like familiar to me. Bc. I am only child. Now I guess its from Gilmore girls an reminds me of what Loreley and Rory do on Rorys birthdays in they middle of the night
6th form is 2 years in the uk, so nick has another whole year at truham.
I know darcys gran from outlander
She was also a slitheen on Doctor Who
So, if you want to know more about tori, you should read the book solitaire !
It take place beetween episode 5 and 6 of the season 3
We have the pov of tori and we also got michael for our second main character
It's a realy good book (and heartstopper is originaly a spin-of this book) and it will help you understand how tori felt this season
We also have some good scene with charlie in the book !
If you haven’t you should totally read loveless (and solitaire) by Alice, I think you’d love them
i did read loveless!!!! i'm hoping to pick up solitaire to read soon, too, i really want to learn more about tori 🥺
by the way i love your sweater (during episode five’s reaction)
I read Solitaire. It's from Tori's point of view, so the "voice" of the story is very depressed.
(Loved Michael)
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Great reaction! ❤
43:00 In the comic books during the Ferris Wheel scene, Tori tells Charlie what her and Micheal's sexualities are.
I'm not going to confirm or deny if you are correct for one or both of them.
I love ur pastel sweater
Where did all of your MCU content go? 😭 That was my favorite stuff to see you react to. 😭
Yesss. Like we need Agatha all along reactions too!
I think she mentioned watching Agatha..I don’t know if she’s reacting but maybe she’s doing a bunch of eps in 1 video or something 😊
A while ago she said, she no longer does mcu on youtube. So mcu is patreon exclusive. I think it was because of the hateful debates that often happened in comment section (but I could be wrong about that)
Heartstopper season 4??!😮😢❤😊❤❤❤❤❤
This ending felt very weird idk. We need season 4
God I just love this reactions
Are we not getting Agatha all along damn I was really exited for your reactions
Love the grandma she’s iconic both in the show and in real life I know her from Doctor Who and Midsomer Murders and in Midsomer she plays the most iconic person who knows the time of de@th of the person and so on can’t remember what it’s called anyway I’m kind of a mix of Nick Charlie Tori and Isaac
I kinda find it interesting how much people view David as this disconnected shit character from the family, maybe saying he's like that because of the father but never turning to Sarah. (Disclaimer, this isnt to justify all the shit things he says, but to explain his behavior didnt just magically pop up like that). David is a textbook example of sibling jealousy following a divorce. It is just speculation obviously, but I have seen these behaviors soooo many times. The parents divorced when David was 9 and Nick 5, so already, this must have affected David more. They both continued to be raised by just Sarah, and I can imagine she must have put more attention to Nick, being the baby of the family, or at least that's what young David perceived. With one parent gone, and the other seemingly having a favorite child, child David is gonna get jealous, but he's not gonna turn his anger toward his only parent left. No, turning it towards his younger sibling is so much easier (and yeah it isnt fair to Nick at all. He's not at fault here but kids arent gonna rationalize this). And it looks like this was never taken care of, gets rotten in the kid while he grows up and there we have a shit bitter David. And we clearly see David clinging to the dad, trying to be his favorite, even though the dad doesnt give a shit. It's quite sad to watch (especially the scene of him at christmas waiting at the front door)
Obviously, being a single mom raising 2 boys is difficult, there is no denying it, and she's a good mom to Nick. But she shouldnt be viewed as perfect (no human should be viewed as such ^^). The fact that he can still feel some favoritism in the present, doesnt help the situation (her come back to David at the beginning of 2x07 was very funny but it added fuel to the David/Nick conflict) and at the same time, she struggles a little bit to put her foot down when David and Nick argue to protect Nick (like in 2x02, getting mad at David for going into Nick's room or cursing but not for the things he says to Nick).
For this situation to get better, it's gonna require discussions between all three of them (cause yeah, dont rely on Stéphane for this ==") and i'm really curious about if the author will dig into that in the last volume.
(I will also add, lying to Jane and sneak out would have been the best idea to destroy all the improvement Charlie made with his relationship with his mom)
In season 2, when Nick and Charlie met up with Nick's dad, the dad said that Nick had been visiting him every summer (until recently). I got the impression from some other dialogue that David stayed with the dad a lot, possibly even lived with dad.
[If the divorce happened when Nick was 5, it definitely would have affected him as a loss; that's the typical reaction to divorce that young kids have,]
But David had been influenced by whatever dad did or said for almost twice as long. It's possible that David was dad's favorite.
When Nick tried to meet up with the dad in Paris, the dad kept putting off responding to Nick's texts and when the dad called (when they were on the Eiffel Tower), within a minute after the phone ringing, Nick answered and got a voice mail immediately.
I saw the following in season 2 (and some in season 3) [in no logical order]:
1. Dad said Nick couldn't visit him anyway because Martine had redone the kitchen. (Saying this after 'lamenting' that Nick never visited.)
2. Dad said he thought Nick would be graduating soon and was surprised that Nick had 2 more years to go.
3. Dad emphasized how David always had lots of girlfriends when he was Nick's age. And recommended that Nick keep up with his rugby so that he could get girlfriends.
4. When Dad said he was going to England for a small business trip (not expressly to visit Nick) -- Nick invited his dad to dinner. Dad only looked excited about coming to dinner when Nick pointed out that David would be glad to see him.
5. When dad finally called to get Nick to come to the cafe, it was after several of Nick's texts revealed the lessening of time left for Nick to be in Paris. And when Nick got there, within 10 minutes, dad got the phone call so he had to leave.
6. In season 2 at the dinner, Nick told David that he no longer cared about all his bullying. (He referred to David as acting like a 10 year old, which gave me the impression that David had been bullying him from that age.)
7. David definitely had a grievance similar to Nick's: When dad was about to leave after the dinner, he did not bother to announce that he was leaving. Nick knew because Dad had to pass him on the way to the door. David only found out when he wandered downstairs; he looked surprised that Dad was already leaving. Dad did not know where David went to school in Scotland. (Implying to me that dad seldom communicated or visited David there.)
Apparently dad habitually promised to pop in on Christmas but never did. (David still believes dad's promises (while Nick has finally given up on them.))
8. In both season 2 and season 3, David revealed a lot of ignorance about issues related to LGBT+ issues as well as psychology. He treated prejudices as fact. (Part of his style of bullying Nick)
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The dad had basically influenced both sons to take up rugby (because it was important to dad). Playing rugby was part of what it meant to "be a man" and would win them girlfriends.
Not directly related to dad's behavior, but I found Nick's story about rugby summer camp revealing.
Nick realizes now that he had a crush on the instructor.
He seemed to respond to the instructor's giving him attention and helping him with rugby. Nick said he was influenced to try harder than he normally would have.
When dad came to dinner in season 2, he and David were hanging out on the couch, ignoring everyone else while they cheered on the rugby match.
Nick, who actually loved playing rugby, was not interested in watching the match. (Just throwing that out there -- I think it's telling but I haven't put together the idea behind my intuition, yet.)
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In the book Nick and Charlie, Charlie mentions that David brags about having lots of girlfriends and cheating on them.
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We can understand more about Nick after watching David's behavior. David did not respect Nick's boundaries or privacy. He felt he had the right to take his computer console without asking; to enter his room any time he pleased; to ignore Nick's request that he leave when he studied or had a guest; to snoop in Nick's room (which is how he saw the picture of Nick and Charlie kissing); to grab Nick's phone.
When Sarah told David that he had no right to go into Nick's room -- David said that Nick had left out the photos of Charlie and him kissing in plain sight (if anyone anyone sneaked into the room in the first place); David said that if Nick didn't want him to know about Charlie (and the kissing), he should have hidden the photos away --- in effect blaming Nick for David's invasion of privacy.
&& One of the first things we learn about Nick in 1x01 was that he has a strong sensitivity against anyone's invading boundaries. He finds Ben assaulting Charlie and the first thing he says after grabbing Ben by the collar and heaving him awasy, as far as he could: "He told you to stop!" (No means no).
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Someone 'taught' David that Nick had no rights.
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I’m kinda on the mom side here Charlie is 16 like when were we doing boyfriend,girlfriend sleep overs I’m in my 20’s and my mom would still say no plus she wasn’t saying no she just said wait until his exams were over considering the last time they were letting these sleepovers happen Charlie stopped doing his homework
Also four hours will be hard but not impossible it can still work
You refer to four hours -- what is that about?
Are you talkinga bout the GCSE exams?
According to book 5, at the time that Charlie and his mom compromised ---- that Charlie and Nick could have ONE sleepover after the GCSE's --- Nick pointed out that that was only 3 weeks away. [He also pointed out that the sex they had just done did not require a sleepover]
The GCSE's are not a one-day 4 hour test.
They are taken over a 3 week period. Each test might be 90 minutes. (Maybe more)
If you look at Nick's grade report, he took 9 separate GCSE tests. The report shows the following subjects and scores:
English 6
Maths 5
Chemistry 6
Biology 7
Physics 7
French 9
Physical Education 9
Geography 8
Psychology 6
We already knew that maths was his weakest subject and the 9s in French and PE are no surprise.
If you are referring to the comments in season 2, the instructor said that Charlie's achievement/grades had always been stellar. They had started to "slip" There was no claim that he had stopped doing his homework.
If he had been getting stellar grades (possibly an A average) --- a 'slip' could mean a B average.
There was one history term paper/essay that Charlie needed to finish by the end of the term. He knew that that was weeks away and that he could finish it. And he did finish it by the end of the term.
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They were not regularly having sleepovers. They had one sleepover for the party in which Nick was going to come out to Imogen. Everybody slept in the living room and left the next morning.
Having mixed gender sleepovers did not seem to be an issue.
[In the comment sections related to other Reactors' pages, people from the UK (and some European countries) talked about the kinds of sleepover that Nick and Charlie were suggesting was quite common and accepted.
(The age of consent in the UK is 16; When Nick suggested the sleepover, he was 17 and Charlie had turned 16 -- they were both "legal".) ]
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I loved this season but the ending was so anticlimactic...
perfect timing, just what i needed to pass the time while i wait for agatha episode 7 at 2am🥲, fishing in animal crossing wasn’t cutting it
not the fishing 😂😭
Literally same, I’m waiting to for 2am to come around and it was just perfect timing 😂