Oil and Cold Wax Demo 4

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  • @smithccc5615
    @smithccc5615 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This whole series of videos is great, but this last video is just fantastic…wow! I loved the steps and mis-steps, AND your attitude around them. …Several times, I found myself talking to the screen: “Stop!! that is excellent…stooooop!!!” you never stopped! and I know that inside that final painting are a dozen iterations that I loved along the way. Occasionally I found your process kind of shocking. I’d see a gorgeous painting on the screen and you’d go in with the scraper! omggggggg, could I ever actually do that? Thanks for sharing this with us. I thoroughly enjoyed seeing your flow of idea and practice.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for that comment ! It’s been a while since I made this video and we’ll, I stop a lot more often before going forward these days !!

  • @janehockett1165
    @janehockett1165 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, I have to admit I watch your video on your work repeatedly, not only because it’s beautiful, but fascinating on how many layers you put down without fear. I very much admire the manner in which you teach. More please,

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks so much. I'm happy to hear that ! Taking risks is one of my favorite parts of painting

  • @timtoft8411
    @timtoft8411 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing and inspiring demo vids of your work Andrea. It's great to hear you talk about your process and the tips you tell about composition technique, such as, rotating the canvas, different forms of mark making, creating harmony etc. I was thinking about trying out the cold wax technique and this has got me inspired.. Thank you for sharing ;-)

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks Tim !

  • @thierryfrachon7737
    @thierryfrachon7737 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello dear Andrea,
    I am discovering you and your work, and I LOVE you both !!!!
    I am now living in the south of France, will resume painting in a few months.... Thank you for being so authentic !!!! My name is Eva.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks so much Eva! Lots more videos for you to see on my channel 🤗enjoy the south of France !! I miss it there

    • @thierryfrachon7737
      @thierryfrachon7737 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@artistspacethank you so much for your kind answer 😍
      maybe one day you will come visit !
      I have one question can one does cold wax with acrylic paints ?

  • @minashafer3325
    @minashafer3325 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fantastic visual thinking and great work. I’m an artist/illustrator with decades of experience but feeling flat with COVID restrictions and worries. You have inspired me to paint again. Thank you.
    Mimi

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      SO happy to hear that ! I'd love to see what comes out of you after your flat phase. Sometimes great work comes out on the other side of long incubation/flat periods.

  • @halatmothership6969
    @halatmothership6969 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't know what I am doing...LOL......I also love your term "Play Stage"...I start out with no plan, just colors and have a hard time committing to shape or shapes using the colors...but I am having fun, and love playing with the colors and textures...Thank you for your videos Andrea

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're so welcome ! You're right, I should stop saying I don't know what I'm doing. I guess what I mean by that is that's how it FEELS when I get to messy stages where it all looks like chaos. The part I do know is how to trust my knowledge and experience after 30 years to resolve the chaos :)

  • @jennief9617
    @jennief9617 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the way you teach - not to be afraid of reworking and reworking something personal to you evolves. Have to say though - I'd have been happy with this painting at any one of a number of stages of its development!

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it's true, I keep it going until the depth, light and overall composition look refined to my eye. Thanks for watching

  • @thegreatestdistance
    @thegreatestdistance 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the courage to share this process with us. Very useful to a beginner!

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @wendymusser6401
    @wendymusser6401 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This series is one of the best! Thank you for being so generous with your time and talent. Your love of painting is obvious. Best of luck to you!

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh thank you so much. Yes, painting has been my lifeline through the ups and downs of life. And I love to share. I believe everyone should express themselves if they feel the impulse.

  • @artealain
    @artealain 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Greetings from Ireland - an artist new to cold wax - thanks.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Rook, Hope you're enjoying the cold wax medium. It takes some trial and error to get a handle on it. I teach online classes in it if you're interested

    • @artealain
      @artealain 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@artistspace I've used oils all my painting life so venturing out into the world of cold wax - so far it's early days but enjoying what it can do - texture was an element I'd never really explored so enjoying it all. Thanks for videos - they're great as is your work.

  • @brittsteiner4669
    @brittsteiner4669 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the content and pace of these tutorials. Not a load of talking about products but its of useful information! Thank you for sharing your skills.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you ! And that's good feedback. I should talk more about supplies. I go into much more detail about it in my online classes though.

  • @lindawright879
    @lindawright879 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video was so helpful, to see you go from the red painting you loved .... as it morphed and morphed.....and then to rest in this beautiful place.....was just so inspirational.....you also make me chuckle so often during your videos.....just so wonderful. you sure help me to be bolder with my paintings....many thanks again.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you Linda. I'm glad you can see the humor in some of the process and I'm so glad to have you as a part of my community of artist friends.

  • @elisabethjordan5051
    @elisabethjordan5051 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your videos are so wonderful. I just love the way you use your running dialog to explain how one step leads to the next. And of course your work is beautiful! Love it.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you ! So glad it's helpful !

  • @MissT2U1
    @MissT2U1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really enjoyed watching the imperfections and frustrations you went through. I don’t have an art background, I’m teaching myself so it’s good to know that all artists go through many processes before they’re finally satisfied. The hardest thing for me is getting attached too soon and not pushing forward fearlessly. When I get to that point, I stop and live with it for a bit. Thanks, I like your style of painting and the down to earth presentation.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hi Tanya, you might try working with two canvases at the same time. One one of them allow yourself to get attached, and work with that type of attention to detail to see what happens. In another, push forward fearlessly as you say, and see what happens there. Sometimes it's ok to get attached to bits of a painting, even VERY GOOD. I plan to shoot some videos demonstrating that trust your first brush stroke approach. Anyway, glad you're enjoying this. Andrea

  • @rosiloux
    @rosiloux ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Vous êtes merveilleuse merci

  • @cillajamieson751
    @cillajamieson751 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thanks...very inspring. i spent on and off 8 months on mine!!!

  • @samd7146
    @samd7146 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m with Shawna and Tanya, really helped me see I’m not messing up by continuously changing my mind at one painting. Thanks so much. 🙏🏼

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good I'm glad it helped !

  • @johnsutcliffe338
    @johnsutcliffe338 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thankyou - |I used t mike my own cold wax and have left it alone for about a decade. Your layering and risk taking process is a joy to watch. Will definitely come back to using it.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So glad to hear it was helpful !

  • @mimis289
    @mimis289 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your work and process!!

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you Mimi ! Appreciate the comment :)

  • @helendynes2891
    @helendynes2891 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, so inspiring 💖

  • @shawnasomers9127
    @shawnasomers9127 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for this Wendy! I’m very much a beginner and love that you’re so honest about your process and “mess up” sometimes. (not messed up to my eyes BTW) it takes me forever to do a painting because I change my mind on the composition and colour all the time. It’s very encouraging to see that can happen to someone as accomplished as you! Love, Love, Love your videos.!!!!!

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      So glad you like these videos and they give you a window into what so many artists experience and they work !

  • @aboutdev4849
    @aboutdev4849 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just found your videos and am inspired. Think I’ll get some cold wax to add to oils as acrylics dry so fast- faster than my brain can think. Best advice is “don’t get attached to one spot” and “ keep turning the painting”. Do you ever “see” images within the painting and are you tempted to bring those images to life? Love,love the multiple layers but the question is, how do you know when enough is enough? One good thing about the quarantine is we have time to create instead of running around doing useless things. There’s good in everything

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the trick is as soon as you start to think, "am I done"? stop painting. Let it sit. Either start a new one, or just walk away and come back to it with fresh eyes. I often think things are done, then...realize later that they're not. Sometimes too, am really happy I stopped at a first layer or gesture because the painting IS done and any more touch ups would ruin the freshness. Thanks for watching :)

  • @diguttridge8001
    @diguttridge8001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for all your inspiring videos Andrea. I just love watching you working intuitively with colours and layers. I’ve watched each one several times - Can’t wait for the next one! I live in UK, otherwise I’d be booking on to one of your courses!

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Di, Thank you ! I have several people in Europe who take my online classes. Am about to start up a new series. Would be Saturdays 6 to 8pm your time. Check the community for more info on dates if you'd like. Or feel free to sign up to my newsletter on my website: andreawedell.com

  • @dawnboxall4982
    @dawnboxall4982 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Inspiring! Particularly in showing how to have the courage to destroy and reinvent until the finished painting emerges. Thank you.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah it takes a little practice to know by destroying you'll ultimately get the balance right. Glad you're inspired :)

  • @auntygrizelda3453
    @auntygrizelda3453 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello from Nelson New Zealand.
    Thanks for making these videos. I enjoy watching very much. It's very helpful to see another artist working with oil and cold wax. (Specially in these stay at home, keep safe times)

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      A new friend in New Zealand. Yay! Glad you’re getting something from the videos. Especially now it’s so true.

  • @wednesdayschild3365
    @wednesdayschild3365 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Andrea making gloomy lockdown far more palleteable!! Love the colours and I could have stopped at several points along the way and very doubtful when you started adding the light layers but it just proves that a lot of the time there's not a right and wrong. Love your work. Stay happy x

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Alison ! Sorry for the late response. Glad you were able to watch and get something from my process to support yours !

  • @rosinaplomaritis9052
    @rosinaplomaritis9052 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear Andrea
    Thank you so much..I do my pandemic retreat at home by painting..now I discovered cold wax..I ordered...I will start..will risk..and I realy 🙏for this...to show how not to be afraid....helps me a lot.greatings from switzerland❤❤

  • @hazelwright194
    @hazelwright194 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello and THANK YOU! I'm so happy to have found your videos! This is just what I have been looking for to show me exactly the tools I need and how to use them. Watching each demo and listening to you describe the process including how and why, and how you feel about it along the way has been so incredibly useful! I really feel like I've had my first proper instructive art lessons! I tried out oil painting during lockdown for the first time and found I've liked it. I just got stuck in. Now a few months down the line I'm starting to investigate all the basics that would have been helpful at the start so that I can take it further. It is very absorbing and has been perfect for switching off from the world! Thanks again and I look forward to watching more!

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks so much. Am so glad you've been watching and getting so much from these videos. Hope your painting goes well as the new year gets started !

  • @jackiegarroutte8970
    @jackiegarroutte8970 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful colors! I love this! I have some cold wax...have to try it! Thank you for the video

  • @carolynbridgersreed734
    @carolynbridgersreed734 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your work! Just watched it again....and again.....

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you ! That painting is for sale by the way :) Am moving and about to do a studio sale !

  • @robertwebber8672
    @robertwebber8672 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoyed this tour de force! Many thanks. Best R

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @judyedwards6020
    @judyedwards6020 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks. I enjoyed your process.... I learned that I give up too soon. But, no more.

  • @Wal48
    @Wal48 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, feel like I lived this with you! I saw many versions I liked and was gutted when you obliterated them. I would have gone with one of the earlier versions and got stuck. The end result was worth it all, really beautiful work. I must try this myself soon. I currently use watercolour and this oil and cold wax technique is way different and really lets you create in a completely free way. Loved this!

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad this helped you see a different way of working. You can't layer watercolors in the same way, so you might want to try either acrylics or oil paint to do some layering ! And of course cold wax is a great way to go too

  • @karencook2504
    @karencook2504 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you!!

  • @lindawright4824
    @lindawright4824 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Andrea....hope things are going well with you....having been away from painting for a few months....2 grandbabies and too much pottery needed.....i always find you so helpful and inspirational! just rewatching a few of your videos helps me remember so many aspects of the exploration process.....thank you again, hope you had a great show a few months ago, and i look forward to seeing some new videos! Also, are you planning to do any more online teaching! cheers, Linda

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Linda ! So nice to see you here. Have neglected my channel with so much going on. YES I'm doing an online class. It starts on October 9th. Just have one scheduled for now. You've probably received my newsletter by now. There's still room if you're interested.

  • @tammyberk7896
    @tammyberk7896 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it would be very difficult for me to know when I am done! I loved this one all the way through and several figures and doorways/paths to the back in the process. Lovely final painting.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Learning to know when you're done is really a personal process. It takes a while to develop it so that it works with your voice and original vision ! Thanks for watching and commenting.

    • @tammyberk7896
      @tammyberk7896 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@artistspace Watching again. :) I just love your process.

  • @lorrainehayden8251
    @lorrainehayden8251 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just love how you work... !! Brightened my day & inspired me to paint 🎨.. 💗

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lorraine, I'm so happy to hear that !

  • @harwoodtonyaify
    @harwoodtonyaify 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for posting! Your work has inspired me to keep getting in my studio and playing with different tools/methods/colors.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      So happy to hear that :)

  • @Flux_One
    @Flux_One 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Andrea, thanks a lot for sharing your painting process. Your videos have provided a lot information, which is especially useful as I'm soon to embark on my own cold wax journey. My work has been classed as Photorealism up until recently, but I want to break away from it and become bolder and more expressive, so I'm hoping cold wax and some abstract painting techniques will help me to achieve this. I think it's going to be an interesting and rewarding journey, as the creative process always is. All the best and stay safe, Scott (UK)

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Scott, Not sure why I haven't been able to see any comments for the last few weeks ! Very glad to hear you're moving to abstract painting. I started an online class, 4 part series in April that filled up. It's going so well I think I'll run it again in May. I'll post info to my website about the next session. That might be of interest to you to go deeper : andreawedell.com/courses/

  • @carolynbridgersreed734
    @carolynbridgersreed734 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your work....and love this one!

  • @森下典樹
    @森下典樹 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for your generous content sharing. bless you safety during pandemic.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      How sweet. Thank you so much. I hope you're getting something from these videos and I hope too that you're safe and healthy.

  • @ampmodclips
    @ampmodclips 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfect Thanks for the tut! Love ya work :)

  • @carkirsch77
    @carkirsch77 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is superbe! I wished you had several panels at a time! Have you ever tried? You got it balanced and perfect 👌 too many times to count during your painting processing!

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Lucy, yes I always have several panels going at the same time :) Glad you thought lots of layers were balanced. I'm very picky about what I'll considered a finished painting, so keep going and going till I get there ! Sometimes it happens right out of the gate, sometimes takes a long time !

  • @marypippittcervantes4900
    @marypippittcervantes4900 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Andrea, your videos are very helpful as well as inspiring. I’m fairly new at painting and have just recently started painting with wax. Currently living in San Miguel de Allende which has been very inspiring as well. Please list the colors you used as I love the reds, pinks, and purples and want to add them to my stash. Thanks again!

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Mary, I've started teaching an online class. The current one for April is full, but you might want to consider joining in May :). The reason I say that is the colors you like are built up with many many layers. Have listed all my colors in a previous video on cold wax, so check that out.

  • @lenmey1
    @lenmey1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow you are very calming and enjoyable to watch! Cold wax is so interesting! Of course I have questions! Does it dry completely or do you have to varnish it for it to become totally dry what do you varnish it with and you actually don’t use any mineral spirits how interesting.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi there, nope you don't need to varnish it. You can buffer it like you would a wax floor to make it shine. Don't use any mineral spirits, not even to clean with. Have fun playing with it. I also teach classes in this if you're interested. andreawedell.com

  • @Fafabal05
    @Fafabal05 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🌹

  • @joanmoriarty419
    @joanmoriarty419 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for posting - Love your thinking out loud and your gorgeous color combinations.
    What color is that lighter bright orangey line?

  • @MarianRothschild
    @MarianRothschild 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loving these videos! I really appreciate you giving us info on composition. A couple questions; How do you know if something is "interesting", or if something "doesn't work" or "adds nothing"? Also, you had said earlier that for composition, you don't want any hard lines, but at a certain point you do have hard lines and it looks wonderful! Could you please comment? Thanks so much.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh wow, way too much nuance to be able to comment in writing like this. These are the types of things I address in my classes though. That's probably the best way to get this level of question answered. You can head over to my website here if that's of any interest. I also do one on one critiques where I also talk about these things: www.andreawedell.com/

    • @MarianRothschild
      @MarianRothschild 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@artistspace Done! I just signed up for your October - November online workshop! I'll be asking lots of questions, like above. See you soon!

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MarianRothschild Yay !! Can't wait to meet you over zoom

  • @jacqueslalande5091
    @jacqueslalande5091 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jaime votre belle pensée merci

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Merci pour votre commentaire 🙏☺️

  • @terryteitelbaum4684
    @terryteitelbaum4684 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Trying to find the list of materials/ paint colors.

  • @denisehug1911
    @denisehug1911 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just discovered your videos. Love the way you go about your art. What purple did you use on this? I really love it. Thank you for your videos.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those are lots of different layers to get that particular purple. I think the final layers were manganese violet though.

    • @denisehug1911
      @denisehug1911 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@artistspace Thank you

  • @NinaHollington_LondonNights
    @NinaHollington_LondonNights 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks very much for posting! Do you work wet-on-wet for all layers? When, if ever, would you want layers to dry before continuing?

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Nina, I go back and forth between wet on wet, and letting the layers sit either over night or for a week at a time. Depends on the effect I'm going for.

  • @pamelaadan7321
    @pamelaadan7321 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi,
    I am having trouble with the scraping back, all the different tools I use seem to create unintended scratches, like the tool was
    Contaminated by debris, yet they are clean and smooth to the touch. Any advise you can give?
    Thanks
    Pam

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That probably means your initial support is maybe too absorbent, and drinking up all the paint so harder to scrape back, or it could mean you don't have enough layers down to be able to pull them back, or the layers are too dry. Could mean a lot of things I'm afraid. It's too hard to answer without seeing the work. Have you thought about taking one of my classes or doing a one on one ?

  • @shirleyalmetalennon9410
    @shirleyalmetalennon9410 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Andrea, is it possible to use acrylics with cold wax?

  • @pamelaharrison4843
    @pamelaharrison4843 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Over how many days was this painting created as you have such a lot of layers. Did you leave any to dry before more paint applications?

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hmmm, I want to say maybe two weeks. I didn't work every day on it though. So yes, because I may have waited a day or two between layers, I let them settle. It takes a while for cold wax to really dry though.

    • @evajuliet1942
      @evajuliet1942 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@artistspace So, how long do you have to wait until the painting is dry enough so you can send it to your customer?

  • @robertradocha6871
    @robertradocha6871 ปีที่แล้ว

    💕💯🎨🎨🎨

  • @juliameeks4424
    @juliameeks4424 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What it the purple company and color name?

  • @juliameeks4424
    @juliameeks4424 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What brand of Persian Rose are you using? I can't read the tube.

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check out the notes under the video.

  • @nancywhite7897
    @nancywhite7897 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would prefer to see which tool you are using at which step, but the video goes way to fast to see anything but the change in color. I need to see whether you are using brayer, squeegee, steel wool, etc etc, and how you are making these marks, not just result. consider slowing down a bit? Thanks so much

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Nancy, I put these videos out for free, film and edit them myself so that people can take what they can from them. That being said, I'm going to create some professional teaching videos that you'll be able to access for a fee. Stay tuned !

  • @annmariegraham2699
    @annmariegraham2699 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you use gamsol?

  • @philipanderson2627
    @philipanderson2627 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    so it's not just me that talks to the work as I reveal and destroy marks that I loved...

    • @artistspace
      @artistspace  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope I always chat with the image :)