I agree with you, it is possible for the elect to be deceived. Looking back in semi-recent history, as well as further back and anciently, we have examples of people falling away.
You are right sweetie. Don't let naysayers get you down. We've been told that we won't survive spiritually without the Holy Spirit. We must cling to the Rod as you said, and really really pray if we have any questions. Doubt your doubts! You're doing well.❤❤❤
Sorry, I spoke out before you got there. Anyway, we need to study all the writings. Thank you for bringing this up. Look how many people are deceived by one man, chief Midegah.
Another great video! I love your analogy with your children cleaning their room. I looked up the phrase “ if it were possible,” “if it is possible” came up and this is interesting: 1. adjective [usually verb-link ADJECTIVE] A1 If it is possible to do something, it can be done. If it is possible to find out where your brother is, we shall. In essence, If it is possible to be deceived, it can be done. People are proving it can be done every which way. Why would we need to pray for and seek discernment if deception was not a possibility? Why would we need to work hard to secure a testimony to withstand what’s coming if there was not potential for deception? When I read that phrase, “if it were possible” means to me, if I permit the possibility by not being diligent and firm in the faith… If I become complacent, curious and entertain ideas … I am helping to make deception possible. In my scripture study this morning Alma 30 : 6 there came a man into the land of Zarahemla, and he was Anti-Christ, for he began to preach unto the people against the prophesies which had been spoken by the prophets, concerning the coming of Christ.” It seems that it is Anti-Christ to preach against the Prophet.
One small correction.. anti christ is anything that’s anti christ.. so included in that is people who preach against the prophet.. but that’s only because prophets teach us about Christ and His true Gospel that point us to Him. Notice, Korihor denied the prophecies from the prophets but it was in regards to Christ coming. Nehor was anti christ… but his tactics were very different from korihor. He taught a false gospel.
Hi, caitlyn, I think you're spot on. All you need is to look at how the flock is being dispersed with the various Controversial topics of the world today. Members of the church who take a relaxed attitude towards the gospel, do not edify themselves with prayer in scripture, often fall away. Take as evidence of the inactives, compared to those who attend each week.
You were flooded with comments from the "All is Well in Zion" opinioned members, don't worry about it! Keep doing good things. Isaiah makes it pretty clear that all is not well. There are very important reasons the Lord himself advised knowing the book of Isaiah!
You're doing well 😌. We're all mortal. One NEVER knows when satan will use a NEW-TO-YOU temptation. I know! LoL. JUST realized a new tack (temptation) satan's using on me personally. Thank you for reminding those of us who need encouragement and our spiritual eyewear cleaned up a bit 😊
I follow the prophet not because of whom the prophet is but because of the office he occupies. I made a covenant with God that I would obey the commandments and keep the covenants made in the Temple. My commitment to follow the prophet was made with God, not with pres Nelson. That’s why I pray God will strengthen the brethren so they can do whatever is needed and lead us in the way to Zion. Even I, with so little knowledge or wisdom, can see be saddened because of the way the world and the Saints are going, I can’t imagine the sadness the brethren feel. The way I see Matthew 24:24, the very elect won’t be deceived, however, I don’t think every single person who made covenants with God are “the very elect.”
You would have to be a perfect person. All of us are weak sometimes and satan knows our weakness. We have all been deceived. It just takes constant study and prayer to realize when you have been.
As a covenant maker and keeper, I can and have been deceived. But we are assured that the prophet will never be allowed to lead us astray. I wasn't raised in the church, but this verse has always given me the assurance that the prophet (ie the very elect) cannot, or will not be deceived. So, in this respect, the very elect cannot be deceived. I guess I never considered myself as the very elect, hence, I can be deceived. But I can look to those (prophets) who won't be. I hope I make sense.
Totally makes sense. But don't forget, Betty, that you have the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the right to have Him with you and guiding you at all times. And He cannot be deceived! Which is why, I think, President Nelson has said, "In coming days, it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, comforting, and constant influence of the Holy Ghost." You're doing great. 😊
I can see the confusion. So if you aren’t counting yourself as “the elect” but instead the prophets.. but we know that “the elect” are according to the covenant. That you can “choose to be chosen”. Just because the prophets won’t lead us astray doesn’t mean that they won’t be tempted.. we know that even Christ was tempted.. but He heeded them not. I think the key to not being deceived is to heed not the world, or Satan.. but rather stay close to Christ and His prophets both ancient and modern. 🥰 You are awesome Betty!!! You are definitely an “elect lady” D&C 25!
I think of “If it were possible” as “when it becomes a possibility”. Making covenants with Heavenly Father doesn’t take away our choices. We choose to stay close to the Spirit, or not. We choose to take our concerns to the Lord and be open to correction, or not. It is highly possible in our days of modern Korihors.
Looking at the BYU scripture citation on Matthew 24:24 lets me know that you are absolutely correct. And you are in good company! From the likes of Russell M. Nelson, Jeffrey R. Holland, Boyd K. Packer... and on and on and on.
We need to remember or know, if we didn’t already, that Satan wanted to literally take over God’s power. He wanted it from the beginning. That’s why he said he would do it, go down, and give him the honor. God’s power. Not just some of it. ALL of it! 2 Nephi 2 explains this well. And Alma 12. God knew Satans real intent all along. I loved how you talked about Korihor as an example. ❤
I totally agree with you on all points! Satan is working hard on everyone! Are we not the elect that have made temple covenants? He wants to cause as much damage as he can before he is locked up. If we think that we won't/can't be led away ..we are wrong. Pride causes the spirit to withdraw, sin causes the spirit to withdraw, not repenting of our sins, not reading the scriptures, not attending our meetings, and being judgemental about the Lord's anointed.. the Spirit withdraws. Then we don't have the Spirit to guide us and tesitify of truth, and one can really go down that dark path. We can not see clearly. And then satan wins...who loses? We do.
By definition... the elect hear His voice and harden not their hearts. The definition matters. Some members will discover they weren't okay as they thought. Some who thought they weren't doing well will be pleasantly surprised because if their repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.
The I'm a Mormon campaign was so the world could see that church members are normal members of the community. The correct name of the church campaign is to emphasize to the world who we really are. The two go hamd in hand.
Seems to me that this is really very clear. This is one of the most misquoted scriptures out there. If it were possible is an extremely important phrase.
Why would our Prophet and Apostles tell us and keep telling us to nourish our testimony?? They warn us, instruct us, because they know that if the elect neglect their testimony or neglect to keep their covenants then they will be vulnerable and can be deceived.
To imo validate your thoughts about this ... D&C 112 24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord. 25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord; 26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord. 27 Therefore, see to it that ye trouble not yourselves concerning the affairs of my church in this place, saith the Lord. (Could this possibly apply to the many non-sustaining comments about our prophet and the vaccination recommendation that has shaken so many's faith?) 28 But purify your hearts before me; and then go ye into all the world, and preach my gospel unto every creature who has not received it; ( Strengthen first ourselves in the Lord before going about correcting others?) 30 For unto you, the Twelve, and those, the First Presidency, who are appointed with you to be your counselors and your leaders, is the power of this priesthood given, for the last days and for the last time, in the which is the dispensation of the fulness of times, Footnote b for verse 24 has this interesting cross reference to 1Peter 4:17-18 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
I think there must be priestcraft groups that preach the elect can’t be deceived I think they are a vocal evangelistic bunch I think it’s good to have rebuttals to their arguments but you don’t need to pay attention to everything they say
13:45 You mean the same scriptures that were written down by men? That arm of flesh? Why is that one okay? Yeah, is an ironic statement that listening to a prophet's voice is putting our trust in the arm of flesh. 19:40 The name of the church was also corrected by George Albert Smith: "I would like to suggest to you, my brothers and sisters, that we honor the name of the Church. It is not the church of James and John, it is not the church of Moroni, nor is it the church of Mormon. It is the Church of Jesus Christ. And while all these men were wonderful and notable characters, we have been directed to worship God in a church that bears the name of his Beloved Son. I wish that our young people as they grow up would keep that fact in mind. We have become so accustomed to being called the Mormon Church by all our friends and neighbors throughout the world, that many people do not know the proper name of the Church, and I think the Lord would expect us to let them know that." - George Albert Smith, 1945 Semiannual General Conference for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 22:20 Welcome to the mission field. Fun, isn't it? Here's the answer: "You don't get to choose what I believe. You're not the arbiter of Christianity. You control the Lamb's Book of Life and you don't guard the pearly gates. You don't get to choose what I believe.
ONLY those who are in LOVE with the TRUTH will not be deceived Because they go to the Laws of God for their Truth 2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: WHO ARE THE ELECT according to the COVENANT the Laws of God
@@doskasfam They go hand in hand The Laws of God teach us to be baptized water and spirit That's what Jesus was talking about when he said except a man be born of water and of the spirit Water baptism and Spiritual Baptism of the Holy Spirit
@@doskasfam There are ( 3 ) different sets of Laws of God 1 The Laws God gave Moses to give to us ( Physical Laws of God ) Body 30 fold 2 The Laws God gave us through Jesus ( Spiritual Laws of God ) Spirit 60 fold 3 The combining of those 2 sets by the Holy Spirit ( Soulish Laws of God ) Soul 100 fold These 3 different sets of Laws of God are the 3 Tree's of Life Rev 22 1 Tree in the ( midst ) of the street ( no water ) 1 Tree on the left side of the river ( Laws of Moses ) 1 Tree on the right side of the river ( Laws of Christ ) They are also The Menorah 3 candles on the left ( Laws of Moses ) and 3 candles on the right ( Laws of Christ ) come together and form 1 candle in the ( midst ) They are also The vision of Zach 4 Tree on the left ( Laws of Moses ) the Tree on the right ( Laws of Christ ) supply oil to the bowel on top of the candled in the ( midst ) which supplies oil to the 7 lamps which are the 7 spirits of God And I can show you others
@@doskasfam The ( water ) is the Laws of Moses The ( Spirit ) is the Laws of Christ Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Gal_6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
According to the covenant- to me that includes all covenants we make.. because once we start on the covenant path, with baptism, and continue on the same path with additional covenants… I have talked on other videos about how it’s essentially one big covenant that we continue making (the new and everlasting covenant) it’s new because it’s introduced every dispensation but it’s everlasting because it is from the foundation of the world - I will need to find the quote that taught me this.
I agree with you, it is possible for the elect to be deceived. Looking back in semi-recent history, as well as further back and anciently, we have examples of people falling away.
Beautiful! ❤❤❤ Good work! Thanks for the video. 🥰 You are 100% right. It's so critical for us to be wary of deception in our times.
You are right sweetie. Don't let naysayers get you down. We've been told that we won't survive spiritually without the Holy Spirit. We must cling to the Rod as you said, and really really pray if we have any questions. Doubt your doubts! You're doing well.❤❤❤
I'm with you
Sorry, I spoke out before you got there. Anyway, we need to study all the writings. Thank you for bringing this up.
Look how many people are deceived by one man, chief Midegah.
Seemed very quick too
Love your information, the best thing we can do is follow the prophet. It is said that the Prophet will never lead you astray.
Absolutely!! 🥰
Another great video! I love your analogy with your children cleaning their room.
I looked up the phrase “ if it were possible,” “if it is possible” came up and this is interesting:
1. adjective [usually verb-link ADJECTIVE] A1
If it is possible to do something, it can be done.
If it is possible to find out where your brother is, we shall.
In essence, If it is possible to be deceived, it can be done. People are proving it can be done every which way.
Why would we need to pray for and seek discernment if deception was not a possibility? Why would we need to work hard to secure a testimony to withstand what’s coming if there was not potential for deception?
When I read that phrase, “if it were possible” means to me, if I permit the possibility by not being diligent and firm in the faith… If I become complacent, curious and entertain ideas … I am helping to make deception possible.
In my scripture study this morning Alma 30 : 6 there came a man into the land of Zarahemla, and he was Anti-Christ, for he began to preach unto the people against the prophesies which had been spoken by the prophets, concerning the coming of Christ.”
It seems that it is Anti-Christ to preach against the Prophet.
One small correction.. anti christ is anything that’s anti christ.. so included in that is people who preach against the prophet.. but that’s only because prophets teach us about Christ and His true Gospel that point us to Him.
Notice, Korihor denied the prophecies from the prophets but it was in regards to Christ coming.
Nehor was anti christ… but his tactics were very different from korihor. He taught a false gospel.
Hi, caitlyn, I think you're spot on. All you need is to look at how the flock is being dispersed with the various Controversial topics of the world today. Members of the church who take a relaxed attitude towards the gospel, do not edify themselves with prayer in scripture, often fall away. Take as evidence of the inactives, compared to those who attend each week.
Yes, exactly!
You were flooded with comments from the "All is Well in Zion" opinioned members, don't worry about it! Keep doing good things. Isaiah makes it pretty clear that all is not well. There are very important reasons the Lord himself advised knowing the book of Isaiah!
You're doing well 😌. We're all mortal. One NEVER knows when satan will use a NEW-TO-YOU temptation.
I know! LoL. JUST realized a new tack (temptation) satan's using on me personally.
Thank you for reminding those of us who need encouragement and our spiritual eyewear cleaned up a bit 😊
I follow the prophet not because of whom the prophet is but because of the office he occupies. I made a covenant with God that I would obey the commandments and keep the covenants made in the Temple. My commitment to follow the prophet was made with God, not with pres Nelson. That’s why I pray God will strengthen the brethren so they can do whatever is needed and lead us in the way to Zion. Even I, with so little knowledge or wisdom, can see be saddened because of the way the world and the Saints are going, I can’t imagine the sadness the brethren feel. The way I see Matthew 24:24, the very elect won’t be deceived, however, I don’t think every single person who made covenants with God are “the very elect.”
Possible. Whosoever treasureth my word shall not be deceived.
You would have to be a perfect person. All of us are weak sometimes and satan knows our weakness. We have all been deceived. It just takes constant study and prayer to realize when you have been.
@@Tk.utelab I’m just quoting the scripture, and I believe it refers to ultimate deception
As a covenant maker and keeper, I can and have been deceived. But we are assured that the prophet will never be allowed to lead us astray. I wasn't raised in the church, but this verse has always given me the assurance that the prophet (ie the very elect) cannot, or will not be deceived. So, in this respect, the very elect cannot be deceived. I guess I never considered myself as the very elect, hence, I can be deceived. But I can look to those (prophets) who won't be. I hope I make sense.
Totally makes sense. But don't forget, Betty, that you have the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the right to have Him with you and guiding you at all times. And He cannot be deceived! Which is why, I think, President Nelson has said, "In coming days, it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, comforting, and constant influence of the Holy Ghost."
You're doing great. 😊
@@SegoLily thanks. I'm working on it! 🙂
I can see the confusion. So if you aren’t counting yourself as “the elect” but instead the prophets.. but we know that “the elect” are according to the covenant. That you can “choose to be chosen”.
Just because the prophets won’t lead us astray doesn’t mean that they won’t be tempted.. we know that even Christ was tempted.. but He heeded them not.
I think the key to not being deceived is to heed not the world, or Satan.. but rather stay close to Christ and His prophets both ancient and modern. 🥰
You are awesome Betty!!! You are definitely an “elect lady” D&C 25!
@@AnticipatingChristsreturn thank you. I try.
I think of “If it were possible” as “when it becomes a possibility”. Making covenants with Heavenly Father doesn’t take away our choices. We choose to stay close to the Spirit, or not. We choose to take our concerns to the Lord and be open to correction, or not. It is highly possible in our days of modern Korihors.
Yes!!! That’s a great way to look at it!!
I agree
Looking at the BYU scripture citation on Matthew 24:24 lets me know that you are absolutely correct. And you are in good company! From the likes of Russell M. Nelson, Jeffrey R. Holland, Boyd K. Packer... and on and on and on.
We need to remember or know, if we didn’t already, that Satan wanted to literally take over God’s power. He wanted it from the beginning. That’s why he said he would do it, go down, and give him the honor. God’s power. Not just some of it. ALL of it! 2 Nephi 2 explains this well. And Alma 12. God knew Satans real intent all along. I loved how you talked about Korihor as an example. ❤
You've totally convinced me. I am on the same page as you, Caitlyn.
I totally agree with you on all points! Satan is working hard on everyone! Are we not the elect that have made temple covenants? He wants to cause as much damage as he can before he is locked up. If we think that we won't/can't be led away ..we are wrong. Pride causes the spirit to withdraw, sin causes the spirit to withdraw, not repenting of our sins, not reading the scriptures, not attending our meetings, and being judgemental about the Lord's anointed.. the Spirit withdraws. Then we don't have the Spirit to guide us and tesitify of truth, and one can really go down that dark path. We can not see clearly. And then satan wins...who loses? We do.
By definition... the elect hear His voice and harden not their hearts. The definition matters. Some members will discover they weren't okay as they thought. Some who thought they weren't doing well will be pleasantly surprised because if their repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.
The I'm a Mormon campaign was so the world could see that church members are normal members of the community. The correct name of the church campaign is to emphasize to the world who we really are. The two go hamd in hand.
Exactly! I agree!
Seems to me that this is really very clear. This is one of the most misquoted scriptures out there. If it were possible is an extremely important phrase.
Why would our Prophet and Apostles tell us and keep telling us to nourish our testimony?? They warn us, instruct us, because they know that if the elect neglect their testimony or neglect to keep their covenants then they will be vulnerable and can be deceived.
Yes absolutely!!!
simply look at how many people leave the church
To imo validate your thoughts about this ...
D&C 112
24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.
25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;
26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.
27 Therefore, see to it that ye trouble not yourselves concerning the affairs of my church in this place, saith the Lord.
(Could this possibly apply to the many non-sustaining comments about our prophet and the vaccination recommendation that has shaken so many's faith?)
28 But purify your hearts before me; and then go ye into all the world, and preach my gospel unto every creature who has not received it;
( Strengthen first ourselves in the Lord before going about correcting others?)
30 For unto you, the Twelve, and those, the First Presidency, who are appointed with you to be your counselors and your leaders, is the power of this priesthood given, for the last days and for the last time, in the which is the dispensation of the fulness of times,
Footnote b for verse 24 has this interesting cross reference to 1Peter 4:17-18
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Wow thank you for this!!
I think there must be priestcraft groups that preach the elect can’t be deceived I think they are a vocal evangelistic bunch I think it’s good to have rebuttals to their arguments but you don’t need to pay attention to everything they say
13:45 You mean the same scriptures that were written down by men? That arm of flesh? Why is that one okay? Yeah, is an ironic statement that listening to a prophet's voice is putting our trust in the arm of flesh.
19:40 The name of the church was also corrected by George Albert Smith:
"I would like to suggest to you, my brothers and sisters, that we honor the name of the Church. It is not the church of James and John, it is not the church of Moroni, nor is it the church of Mormon. It is the Church of Jesus Christ. And while all these men were wonderful and notable characters, we have been directed to worship God in a church that bears the name of his Beloved Son. I wish that our young people as they grow up would keep that fact in mind. We have become so accustomed to being called the Mormon Church by all our friends and neighbors throughout the world, that many people do not know the proper name of the Church, and I think the Lord would expect us to let them know that."
- George Albert Smith, 1945 Semiannual General Conference for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
22:20 Welcome to the mission field. Fun, isn't it? Here's the answer: "You don't get to choose what I believe. You're not the arbiter of Christianity. You control the Lamb's Book of Life and you don't guard the pearly gates. You don't get to choose what I believe.
ONLY those who are in LOVE with the TRUTH will not be deceived Because they go to the Laws of God for their Truth
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
WHO ARE THE ELECT according to the COVENANT the Laws of God
@@doskasfam They go hand in hand The Laws of God teach us to be baptized water and spirit That's what Jesus was talking about when he said except a man be born of water and of the spirit Water baptism and Spiritual Baptism of the Holy Spirit
@@doskasfam There are ( 3 ) different sets of Laws of God
1 The Laws God gave Moses to give to us ( Physical Laws of God ) Body 30 fold
2 The Laws God gave us through Jesus ( Spiritual Laws of God ) Spirit 60 fold
3 The combining of those 2 sets by the Holy Spirit ( Soulish Laws of God ) Soul 100 fold
These 3 different sets of Laws of God are the 3 Tree's of Life Rev 22
1 Tree in the ( midst ) of the street ( no water ) 1 Tree on the left side of the river ( Laws of Moses ) 1 Tree on the right side of the river ( Laws of Christ )
They are also
The Menorah 3 candles on the left ( Laws of Moses ) and 3 candles on the right ( Laws of Christ ) come together and form 1 candle in the ( midst )
They are also
The vision of Zach 4 Tree on the left ( Laws of Moses ) the Tree on the right ( Laws of Christ ) supply oil to the bowel on top of the candled in the ( midst ) which supplies oil to the 7 lamps which are the 7 spirits of God
And I can show you others
@@doskasfam The ( water ) is the Laws of Moses
The ( Spirit ) is the Laws of Christ
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Gal_6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
@@doskasfam hmm. how do you know it’s not referring to baptism, lad? And why are we talking about baptism anyway?
According to the covenant- to me that includes all covenants we make.. because once we start on the covenant path, with baptism, and continue on the same path with additional covenants… I have talked on other videos about how it’s essentially one big covenant that we continue making (the new and everlasting covenant) it’s new because it’s introduced every dispensation but it’s everlasting because it is from the foundation of the world - I will need to find the quote that taught me this.