Smith, Itoje and Steward had good games. How do you beat a French team who have athletes from 1 to 15. Every player is just faster. France played the most complete Rugby game I have ever seen.
Hello from France ! All teams faced a sever defeat one day or another. Even New Zealand and South Africa. But England team is not dead ! Look at France team juste after 2011 world cup : a 10 years awful nightmare for French fans. England team is still a major team... soon English players will retrieve their high-level game. Oh by the way... how many times France won world cup ? Less than England ! Go on friends, support your players, they are worth being supported. England lost a match... but England is enough proud and strong to be back soon. We are all rugby fans, we are all brothers !
And do not Forget last year the game between england and the barbarians… basically france a, managed by galthie… this team already scored 50… the sad truth is that england is where it should be…
the eng u20 get barely any attention and coaching compared to france, eng lack u20s to early grade rep for many reasons, same old players except from smith and 1 other from last 5 years of u20s )+currys)
From France, point of view, England team is in low period non but i m sure and we are sure here that in a fiew Time England will be back again. Huge respect for England.
You have forgotten one more reason, imo French were exhausted for months, the rest week had a great impact and if it were Ireland at Dublin this saturday the French could have put past 15 points to the Irish. Sorry for my english.
Great point about the gameplan. Logically, you have to think that that was Borthwick's plan along with the fact Farrell is having a terrible Six Nations from the tee. It was worth a shot to mix things up and experiment in the circumstances going into the game but the execution was poor. Meanwhile for France, everything seemed to go right for them and it was just one of their perfect days where the game comes to you and you calmly make the right play at the right time. Got to give full credit to them for an excellent performance.
England won’t get better until there’s more humility and less arrogance in English Rugby. England were dire with the exception of 2 players. At no stage did they look like being competitive - let alone winning. Our 2- maybe 3 best coaches are working in and with Ireland and France. English a rugby needs a clear out at the top. Borthwick needs to create a harder, fitter, faster and more skilful team and needs some vision and clarity about who he wants England to be. When they won the World Cup their identity was clear… now I don’t think they know who they are or what they’re trying to do. In the past they’ve had 4/5 individuals who could turn a game and who were world class. Now we don’t. Jones was kept in his role for 2 long - whether Borthwick - who was forwards coach under Jones - has got the vision and ability to lead and learn is up for debate. He coached the forward pack and they were destroyed by France everywhere - the Irish and French seem to understand that every player is a potential forward and a potential back - Irelands 2 wingers are a turn over threat when they enter a ruck- the French and Irish forwards can all run, hit a gap and pass accutately under the highest pressure…England simply can’t .. and if they thought they were the fittest team….
Beware guys, it’s the exact same that happened to France after its 2011 RWC final vs the ABs. And it took us nearly a decade to come back. Focus on your youth development, that’s what helped us. And don’t be afraid to steal coaches from other nations as we did with Shaun Edwards, there’s no shame with that.
Biggest problem for England in this game and the whole tournament has been the breakdown, specifically in attack. England are really struggling to protect their own ball beyond a few phases and this was exploited massively by France. Cros, Ollivon, Aldritt and Danty were phenomenal for France in disrupting England ball. It doesn't matter who you play at fly half at the moment, they've got such poor quality ball to work with.
As a Kiwi I am going to be brutally honest. 1) Years of Eddie Jones as coach has done England no favors. 2) Poison chalice for any coach taking on England after EJ. 3) Your forwards are soft, much the same as your backs. 4) Your player skill levels are not good enough, there are school boy teams here in NZ that are much better. 5) French flair is alive and well something that England sadly lack. 6) Non existent game plan. 7) I have to question the heart of some of your players. 8) I have doubts that England has the talent to be competitive. The All Blacks have been through a challenging time in the last couple of years .. perhaps this is England rugby's challenging times and some hard decisions will need to be made. The top four teams are France, Ireland South Africa and New Zealand .. sorry to say England are well down the pecking order.
I agree with everything you said, except the game plan. England have had 3 games where they’ve been building on basics. For some reason, England picked Smith and tried to play a faster game. Bad idea, they failed.
As a neutral, France were amazing and it was a great game to watch. The only disappointment was France kicking the ball out at full time when they could of scored another try. England need to go and play against Romania, Tonga and Latvia. If I was the English coach I would drop the whole team and only keep Genge, Itoje, Steward and Marcus Smith - yes Smith - but he needs a decent forward pack and number 9 and 12. The only time England pack and half back was quick you scored. You guys have looked slow and unfit all 6 nations. Honestly I like Marcus Smith as he has real talent but he can’t defeat France on his own
Thank you Monsieur for your pragmatism and your analysis. So this match France is incredible, discipline is not our cup of tea and however... But do not forget. France is capable the best of the best and also the worst. Your best "enemy" a French !
Eddie Jones was forced out by self appointed experts in the media. The idea of changing coach 10 months before the start of a RWC was just ridiculous. If anything we’ve gone backwards!!!
I don’t think you can say he’s the ‘best’. He’s a lot of positive adjectives, but Farrell and Ford are both better international 10s than him at the moment.
As a french man in my fifties I'm very happy for the victory but can't say it was the most exciting England Vs France I've ever witnessed in my life ... having said that England will come back very quickly and won't spend 10 years in the dark like France did.. England are a nation of rugby and keep producing players every year.....
France has always liked a messy game and know how to take advantage of an unorganized line. The reason why Ireland won was because they kept their line and didn't let France take advantage of it. The only time this did happen, the French struck with a try from their 22. England were trying to play an open quick game, which has never been their style, and got hammered. England is used to a methodological game, boring, yes, but brings them results.
Actually the other times England have tried to play fast like that have been the three last games against SA. I agree it’s not really natural for England to do it. Not sure if they were doing that 100% here, though. I thought Portfliet took odd decisions and kicked poorly - he seems to have gone off the boil rapidly since Australia. Dombrandt was just not strong enough in attack and weak in defence. Smith made errors at crucial moments by pushing it - his kicking out of hand is just not consistent enough at this level. That up and under off a penalty that he hit too long reminded me of that overlong kick against SA which led to a try. I agree the scrum and line out were solid. It was in the loose that we were monstered by France. Given that Ludlum and Willis are as good as we have got in that area, it’s a bit worrying.
Top tier back row and top tier 9/10 combo completely wrecked a bottom tier back row and worst tier 9/10 combo. I can’t even name any of the England back row
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That reminds me quotes of Joseph Campbell "We must let go of the life we have planned, so as to accept the one that is waiting for us." And "Where you stumble, there lies your treasure.” I'm sure this experience will make your path to RWC 2023. England is a great nation of Rugby. Hold on and treat disaster as an impostor.
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I bet for a 50+ points gap for Ireland against England this Sunday
I doubt that. That would be humiliating for England. I know Ireland won against France but I still think France is better. Either way will be a great match
A well coached team in France exposed Stewards horrible lack of pace. Not solely blaming him for the defeat. But on at least three occasions (first and last two French tries) he looked embarrassingly slow getting across. Teams know not to kick to him and they have started stretching him. Slade also looked a passenger. JVP completely devoid of confidence and if Ben Youngs had of delivered that performance, we’d be screaming for him to go. Jamie George, complete passenger who plays the full 80. Dombrant, horribly ineffective. Oh and ps the rest aren’t much better.
When those late tries kept coming and the fans started to walk out, I had flashbacks of the 2015 WC game against Australia. Rough times. Dombrant was abysmal today, doesn’t seem test match standard. As was Sinkler, 3 missed tackles and 2 penalties. Awful for someone who was dubbed one of the best tight heads in the world not long ago
imho i think after losing two teams this year and with teams like Newcastle with Arg 12 13 London Irish completely mix of overseas players and then Sale who are full of SA players, Bath full of Scots, Exeter bring through the next genteration of the Welsh players and you can go on and on, but it seems to me clubs are now more intrested in their own self than for their country which is fine but then fans shouldn't moan when we dont have any test ready players coming through and results!
From a french point of view, it would really be great if England could have a pride reaction and kick Ireland ass next week 😁. Please ! To be more serious, even if i enjoyed french victory on saturday, i feel much more satisfied when France is able to win against a great englich team. Obviously, it's a bad crisis period for you right now... England team players are just individually great and so many of them are in top 5 world best players. England just lost team spirit and suffered from a lack of good strategy. Be sure it will not last a decade as it lasted in France and I fear the day England will find its fighting spirit back. By the way : England created fighting spirit ! See you in world cup mates, for the best I hope ! And see you next year for the next crunch. I'd bet things will be very, very different.
The fault lies squarely with Eddie Jones, who utterly failed to move England forward, either through tactics or selection since the 2019 RWC Kick and chase is not a viable tactic when the opposition will rip you to shreds
But is Steve really Eddie. Same style of play, same selection issues, same mantra. Steve is just politer. I mean have you actually personally see the two together. You can do a lot with digital touch ups y'know.
The problem wasn't the game plan, it is much deeper than that. The problem is English Rugby, we believe the Premiership is the best rugby League in the World but it isn't any longer. Like cricket years back and Football now the need to succeed exceeds the need to provide players for the international teams. Down to just 11 teams all riddled with foreign stars the choice and the competition for England starts is low... we lack options at prop, at hooker, at scrum half, at stand off, especially at Centre. Hence the need to pick players who years ago would never have seen an England jersey... something needs to happen at the heart of rugby, forget this World Cup, we are light years away and have six month AND no competitive games before the first game in the World cup, start now for four years time, start changing the rules for the Premiership along the lines of the Irish or French, and remember... the under 20's also got thumped by France so the next generation hasn't much of a start.
Eddie bell5182. Agree with all your points, especially the foreign (residential qualifiers🙄?) players. Was a member at Bath for c15 years(1988-2003). Saw the first “imports”, and it could’ve been argued that there was no damage. However that soon changed. It was gradual, but my mate and I both said if we were aspiring Academy players, it would tick us off to see our playing pathway blocked by in many cases not terribly good foreigners? So incentives diluted. No “A” league now,and mainly Prem Cup or farmed out somewhere on dual contracts. So further dilution of incentives. Forget the past X number of coaches, and the apparent shambles of the Prem/RFU, I think the rot started with players coming in without quotas? Or I believe there were limitations, but these were quickly kicked into the long grass? Finally, coaches have beaten the rugby “nouse” out of so many players, that showing skills that don’t fit with a coach(s) game plan, is considered grounds enough to be dumped.
Lots of people saying it’s unfair to criticise Smith and that we didn’t have a game plan. I completely disagree. England was in chaos after EJ so Borthwick came in to steady the ship. He’s had 3 games where he’s laid some basic foundations and although England are fairly dull he’s got a few things back on track. And then for this game he drops a consistent Owen Farrell for Mr flashy balls and clearly wants England to play a faster game plan. Not a very Borthwick thing to do, I would like to know who persuaded him. It’s the first big test for a new setup and he completely changes tac. Makes no sense. The faster game plan was most likely to get the big French forwards moving around the park but it failed because Englands backs were only playing fast against the French backs. A fast game plan needs to include the whole team if you want to tire out their forwards. We’ve got much bigger problems than who plays 10 but Smith was terrible. I really don’t see the fuss. He’s like the little brother tagging along to a party. He made some huge mistakes and he’s rubbish in defence. If Farrell had played like that he would get slated by everyone. I wouldn’t even have Smith in the squad.
A view from SA: 1)England will recover under Borthwick.Maybe not in time for WC 2023. 2)Stop lamenting about EJ.What exactly did he do for England since NZ game WC 2019. 3)Great player as he was OF past his best.Stick with Marcus Smith 4)Freddy Stewart to slow on defence. 5)Get at least one quick loosie. 6)Jamie George past his best. 7)England will be back.World rugby needs them.
I just don't understand how england could have gone from being one of the two best, most physically dominant sides in the world to what we have now? I'm perplexed, how was this dramatic and quick descent possible?
Agrees and just posted on it, They were outmuscled completely by France. England need to work on this big time, they are being outdone both Athletically and physically.
Bonjour les Anglais, stay behind your players this s how rugby goes I am sure England will be back , they will need a new structure a new game plan and I will be honest with you the England coach is a little dormant so surely the.players moral is affected with all of this. Yes we probably played the best and complete rugby match for very long time but look at the game it was a pure and simple rugby and it work. All the best with Ireland.
We need to continue with a game plan like Saturday but get better at it. We are still slow at the ruck and the scrum half has to take responsibility for fast ball. It would not have mattered who played 10 when he was constantly getting the ball on the back foot. The forwards need to drive past the ruck not stop at it. This all about good coaching and they need time as well.
If you drive past a ruck you’re then no longer part of the ruck and the opposition pinch the ball. England needed to get better at smashing big heavy Frenchman who were lying all over the ball.
I don’t think Borthwick has the first clue how to sort this. England are one dimensional and probably worse at executing that one style than they were 10 years ago.
Hi there. Comments that could help you understand from a french rugby fan and player. A new smart coach, Galthié plus Shawn Edwards plus lots of young new players from Toulouse and a french team bad as ever 5 years ago, miracle now. ...England will have to wait to get something similar, probably 3 to 5 years....Allez les bleus
I was joking in the last video about the 76-0 drubbing we got against Aus under Woodward..and this weekend Matt Dawson actually brought it up in his report. Eng are good at not having succession plans (and Eddie didn't put one in place). We have the players, but it will take a good 3-5yrs to get a consistent side with rugby nous..I remember alot of the Irish side were just alright last world cup..it takes specific planning and nuturing of players in a consistent environment to gey your team playing well..and going back to the 76-0 drubbing we took...some of those players went on to win the world cup.
Going forward to Dublin on St Patrick's Day, Borthwick will have no choice but to strengthen the defence first, and forget about attack. Defence, defence, defence. That unfortunately means Smith misses out, Farrell starts, Malins goes as he was a turnstile, and Steward absolutely must go. Stewards defence is woeful, he cost 3 tries v Scotland, probably 3 more v France. Steward is slow, always out of position and makes bad defensive read after bad defensive read.
A lot of this is a legacy of Eddie Jones and his inability to formulate a clear strategy and his retention of his favourites for far too long. Borthwick seems to be making some of the same mistakes, sticking with great players who are past their sell by date, but he does seem willing to blood new players. However, the new players who are being introduced have not had experience in the past because Eddie has stuck to his old guard. Also, England lack pace. Dombrandt in particular hasn't got it at this level. George is probably past his best, yet no-one seems prepared to look at Harry Thacker, who has been brilliant for Bristol. He's the sort of jack in the box player who adds huge mobility, speed and power. But fundamentally, France were utterly brilliant.
I was in there and frankly it was hilarious, we were all laughing at England and growing when coles and vunipola were brought in and then booed them at the end. Bunch of massive losers. Sweeneys salary has gone up though, that’s great news obviously. England have got a problem next week, a big problem. Imagine them dropping to,8 or 9 in the world rankings.
English will recover before the WC. This was a timely wake up call. Must say very few teams would have stopped France on Saturday. England is a bit in no man's land, but the players are available to restore the trust.
@@librapower7810 Churchill have said, never give up. My definition is, your current situation is not your final destination, so doen't give in, don't measure the team on Saturdays performance, they had a off day. They will put the reckord straight next week. SA lost against Japan in the WC, any team can win on a given day. We need the England team to make a come back, for England is the house of rugby. In the power of the tonque is life and death, blessing and cursing, just speak life and bless them. We have lost 52 -0 against the AB, just stand with your team, the score might look bad, but do not crucify them. Get the experienced players in the positions they know and build confidence.
Bit of a freak result, everything that could go well for France went that way (two bounces of the ball on two tries for example) and everything that could go bad for England well, went worse. France was probably always going to win this game but the score is a statistic anomaly. Also, I was really surprised by England's decision not to take the points at 0-10, I thought it was poor thinking. Granted being 10 points down after 10 minutes and conceding a try with not 2 mins on the clock isn't the way you want to start one of the biggest home games of the season, but there was still plenty of rugby to be played and no need to panic at that point. They needed to get points on the board and reduce the gap. In the last 15mn then OK you go all out to try and cross the line but there was no such urge then. Lack of cold blood.
@@joedennehy386 Am I though? I forgot to add that I am french and on cloud nine since saturday, but I can still see that the scoreboard makes the gap between the teams appear way larger than it really is. I suppose Ireland vs England will answer some questions. If it is a similar rout then fair enough, if England can hold their own and keep it to a 10 points or less defeat (I don't believe they can win) then saturday's game will just have been a terrible day at the office for a rebuilding team.
Selecting Marcus Smith was hope over reality. He is a successful player in the Premiership, first because he has a team that is geaared to support him and second because the Premiership is not the benchmark for excellence. EJ failed to lay the basis of a successful team (as was done for him by his predecessor) and the delay in sacking him left Borthwich with a plate of Lenten pancakes rather than a full pantry. Forget '23, start developing for '27.
From Ireland here. England's traditional strength was up the center, marauding forwards who'd bash their way, phase by phase, creeping into the opponents half. Then they'd release the backs when enough gaps had opened. Fast and fluent. Now they're all gung-ho on complicating the shit out of players in positions they don't normally play and over-complicated set-piece moves. England need to go back to their roots, which is brutal, up-front rugby. Borthwick needs to start with his forwards again, and off that platform, set up a proper back line with players doing what they normally do for their clubs, week in and out. After that, England will do what they do best and results like this one can be chalked down to a badly timed transition period. Hope Old Wickles gets it sorted for the WC.
England were almost flattered by the score. Poor skills, poor game plan and they just didn't look fit enough. I've thought for a long time (since Lancaster) England have lost their "nastiness". We need some thugs back to bully and dominate sides
Just me who thinks this, or do England get dominated both physically and Athletically now at international level, think they look two steps behind Ireland and France, and even to Scotland. They just don't currently have athletes to match the top sides, which is bizarre given England's traditional dominance in this area.
Eddie Jones saw this coming .. there just isn’t the talent coming through and the premiership isn’t breeding test match animals. The 2016 generation are now almost close to retirement. The Prem is high scoring but a Mickey Mouse league, where defence is abjectly optional .. look at the players from Irish and Quins for this. They don’t get the space and time they usually get and get found wanting massively at test level.
The back row just looked like kids.. underpowered and small. Where is the Hill, Dallaglio and Back?! I can’t think of any at the moment .. even Haskell, Vunipola and Robshaw .. at least you knew they’d never EVER get manhandled by the fucking French
If you can win your scrums and line outs and control the ball at tackle and ruck you don’t get beaten by 43 points It wasn’t the game plan that did it. Whatever the plan was it fell apart at the first contact with the enemy
Hollo, England fans. Welcome to our world. Maybe what you need is a new coach, the old one looks a bit jaded now. We got one one and things are slowly improving here in the west. We beat Italy and played a bit better. Slowly but surely there is a horizon with sunshine. So that's what I'd do. Oh hang on a minute.
Intelligent and informed analysis, also like your no-frills straightforward delivery. You highlighted Borthwick, and rightly so, a coach clearly not fit for purpose. Ok, the players take responsibility for how BADLY they played, but how could this England coach get the selection and strategy so COMPLETELY wrong? He'll be blaming the weather next, ooops he already threw slippery ball in as well. Also, Borthwick's post match rabbit-blinded-in-the-headlight reaction was just bewildering, naive and totally unprofessional. Blaming the French for "not allowing us to play". WTF? England need a wholesale shake-up from schools to clubs to national team, a proper in depth examination of what is going so wrong with English rugby. Start by looking at the French and the Irish models. Then after the Ireland match, the first to go is the England coach to be replaced with someone of proven international experience rather than a second rate, second row has-been.
english people : " the problem is the ball, the coach, the english food etc" but not the overall lack of skills from engliwh players or the level of french rugby nooo... maybe it was the wind 🤣
Why do the classic english mantras as 'keep calm and carry on', 'stiff upper lip', 'just doing the job (and be back in time for tea and medals)' and 'ours is not to ask for why, ours is but to do and die' not work in this case?
The English players just aren't as good. It's as simple as that, however unwelcome a conclusion it may be. At their best under Eddie, England's gameplan was so tightly constructed and the players so tactically well-drilled that individual talent became basically irrelevant (the same was true of Wales at their previous height under Gatland). In trying to play a more organic, high-tempo, heads-up style Borthwick has run hard up against his own squads limitations, the poor athletic standards of the Premiership and the rigid, almost dogmatic attitude of rugby administrators in England, who've consistently favored size, versatility and coachability over talent when selecting for age-group and development-level places.
Eddie Jones has only been gone for a few months, but England players looked in poor condition - as if the Leicester group wanted them to bulk up at the expense of athleticism. Skills were not sharp, slow decision making and execution. Premiership is just awful - that’s your reason.
borthwick style is not proven on an international areana, well cant do worse then 2015! on home ground this another NH or different SH winner would be good! so france ,Ire or ARg are my favorites!
Plenty of time to get it right. Just hopefully not before next weekend 😬. But England are in the easy side of the disaster world Cup draw. So get a few easy games before they meet top team. Plenty will have changed by then.
England went with the tried and true and forgot that Rugby is a game designed for the young and smart. RWC/6N are brutal examinations of the national system and the off-field management group. In some ways it is an echo of your beloved and vacuous class system. Players were picked (contracted) because they met the expectations of crusty, booze-hazy forgettables. Your entire Rugby History should be summed up as 'Could Do Better'. Rugby IS what happens between set-pieces by a team of question-posers which is in fact a team. However England cannot avoid the sycophant trap and inflate the player's egos till they become concrete blocks which Les Galles (et al) like to visit occasionally as tourists. ps: you've also failed to understand that the tactical replacement law changes have preferred for size and not for cunning, guile, athleticism, speed and craftiness. OOPS
The worst is maybe for the next week VS Ireland in Dublin. U20 Irish are strong with a lot of talent too! The Irish rugby team is the first in the world and it's not a mistake. Favorite for the World Cup in France, it's the team to beat right now. So, good luck for England!
@@scentrailstation1780 If only somebody had thought to schedule a match between them in this Six Nations so we could know for sure. Or we could’ve developed a system that awards points for a win and subtracts points for a loss. We could collate these points over and extended period and then list the teams in order of who has the most points. A sort of….ranking, if you will. We could do it for every team and make it a “World Ranking”. If we’d done that, we wouldn’t need to rely on gut feeling as to who’s better. We would have facts and figures. 😐
@@scentrailstation1780 I don't Ireland are better inspired of this France win will England survive to the quarter finals in the World Cup Argentina will thump England right now,
@@Dreyno Ha ha but what I said was I still fancy France to win the WC over Ireland. otherwise we may as well aware the WC to Ireland because of their ranking? We don't need a WC then do we? 🙄
England are definitely out of sorts right now, but it seems that your troubles run deeply. Money issues with clubs struggling financially and the next generation of U20's losing by 33 pts in comparison to the Irish young lads who beat Scotland by almost 80 points and are ALSO heading for a second Grand Slam in 2 years. We can't blame Borthwick, there is a systemic problem not dissimilar to Wales that needs to be fixed.
Yes Eng did make a lot of mistakes together with inaccuracy. Yet teams like Eng. , Wales, Ireland, NZ, Aust. and Japan have all adopted to combine quality rugby with cheating rugby and they to often get away with it because of cheating referees. But then comes the day when a ref does not allow cheating rugby then they lose up to 40% of their fire power. NZ have been getting away with this cheating attitude and their coaches taught it to different teams. Graeme Henry, W.Gatland and W. Pivac to Wales, Joe Schmidt to Ireland, Dave Rennie to Aust., Jamie Joseph to Japan and E. Jones to England. For example W Cup 2019 Eng beat NZ by in 1st half made 29 penalize able mistakes and were only penalized once by Nigel Owens. Second half the same. Eng had a total misconception of their ability. So in final when Jerome Garcias ref cut out their cheating they were completely out of their stride losing their biggest fire power. Remember v NZ in the ruck just before Tu'ilagis try, Curry and Itoje dived in from the side, not support own weight, six reasons why Eng should have been penalized. Do you also remember how Ireland and Scotland lost to Japan through Jamie Josephs scandalous cheating rugby where he outsmarted even Joe Schmidt due to corrupt refereeing !!! Does coaches, bookies and others with money collaborate behind closed doors ? Or can it be done without money. Definately. Take Wales v SA year 2021. Three from NZ conspired before the match to sink SA. Graham Mourie, Chairman of W Rugby referee appointments, Wayne Pivac coach Wales, Paul Williams ref. Within first 8 minutes Wales made 19 penalize able mistakes and weren't penalized once. This year against Italy, Eng scored 3 tries after players had entered behind line-out jumpers back - obstruction- cheating refereeing !!! Against France the first time Sinckler did it ref B. O'Keeffe blew Eng. and Borthwick's cheating rugby to pieces and GONE WERE THE DANCING DAYS ENGLAND!!
English fans slating the springboks in 2021 about "boring" rugby. Well well well. you see what happens when you try play away from your strengths now. Lets see how the rhetoric changes from here.
First you have congratulate France but England will be going nowhere without world class ball carriers with exception of Ellis Genge there are no class ball carriers in pack .England might as well select Lawrence and Tuilangi in the centres with Consigna and Hassle Collins on the wings to add power to the back line.
Over-coaching. Listened to Johnson and Dallaglio commentating on the 2003 WC win. "We had no plan, we just played what we saw". Pick the best rugby players you can and let them play rugby.
They are overcoached But kicking away precious possession when on attack down the opposition end is just dumb rugby. Its hard for backs to look good when the forwards are being smashed off the park
Just pray eddie dosnt win the cup in France by the grace of God does he England should have kept him untill then !!! There are many good players real men in England that will never fit the politics of the England set up !!!
The French side has been together since the last world cup Ireland the same it's consistency and longevity young blood means nothing if they ain't got the balls just my opinion God bless us all
@@davelewis7098 Maco Vunipola, Billy, Jonny May, Youngs, Tuilagi, Farrell (at 12) were all kept on too long. Young players may not be good enough but they can at least be well oiled over a few years given experience. They do lack depth in a few areas and that is why they are never going to be top 5 in next year or two
Well, it doesn’t matter what game plan you have and what players play if so many schoolboy errors riddle the performance. After that we didn’t compete at the breakdown and looked second class in that area. Our pack actually weighed more than the French so we should not have been outmuscled, but we were. Set pieces were generally okay but it isn’t very often that you get a score from those, just a starting point. Therefore the question is why did we appear to play so badly? Well, and I’m not trying to hide our faults, but the referee did seem to miss a number of illegal French moves at breakdowns whilst penalising England for theirs. However, that doesn’t alter the fact that we were woefully outplayed here, so have we the players or the coaches? The latter have been dropped into having to take on their roles a year before they anticipated and on the back of poor performances, so expecting a complete turnaround is ridiculous. We had seen improvements but they appeared to want to change the style of play and selected accordingly, but didn’t! The scrum half was so slow my granny could have got the ball out quicker, and she’s been dead for years, Mitchell made an impact but by then it was all too late and the tide had gone out. The forwards appeared not to be able to play against a world class French scrum. So, have we the players, I’m not qualified to answer that (unlike so many who think they could coach England), I’ll only observe that English club rugby is in a bad state, and going forward why oh why do we retain this ridiculous situation that foreign based players can’t play…do England football team do that! Did Eddie Jones make the best of a bad job? I think we must brace ourselves for next Saturday and for the World Cup; we’re fortunate to be in the easier half of the draw there and might get so far but are unlikely to feature in the latter stages. My hope is that we look to 2027 and start working towards that now, if Ireland can reach number 1 in the world then why can’t we? Get on with sorting out our game and stop worrying about changing the laws on tackling!
Well that was awful! Why did England lose by a RECORD MARGIN against France!?
Smith, Itoje and Steward had good games. How do you beat a French team who have athletes from 1 to 15. Every player is just faster. France played the most complete Rugby game I have ever seen.
@@dulls8475 nobody in White had a good game. So were less bad than others
Forwards so under powered. I honestly believe our pack is missing power, athletes and fitness. Just compare their forwards to ours - it’s men Vs boys
@@dulls8475Steward missed more tackles than he made. No, serious. He’s a liability in defence
Why?...??
Hello from France ! All teams faced a sever defeat one day or another. Even New Zealand and South Africa. But England team is not dead ! Look at France team juste after 2011 world cup : a 10 years awful nightmare for French fans. England team is still a major team... soon English players will retrieve their high-level game. Oh by the way... how many times France won world cup ? Less than England ! Go on friends, support your players, they are worth being supported. England lost a match... but England is enough proud and strong to be back soon. We are all rugby fans, we are all brothers !
i prefer to watch the french (even loosing) playing than those boring english ( even when winning)
The problems are very deep , two premier club collapsed , two in trouble , the U20s beaten 40-7 to France as well
And do not Forget last year the game between england and the barbarians… basically france a, managed by galthie… this team already scored 50… the sad truth is that england is where it should be…
42-7 (;
the eng u20 get barely any attention and coaching compared to france, eng lack u20s to early grade rep for many reasons, same old players except from smith and 1 other from last 5 years of u20s )+currys)
From France, point of view, England team is in low period non but i m sure and we are sure here that in a fiew Time England will be back again. Huge respect for England.
Thank you for the encouragement. France was truly amazing in every aspect on Saturday. I wish you the best.
You wellcome and thank you. Very kind …
You have forgotten one more reason, imo French were exhausted for months, the rest week had a great impact and if it were Ireland at Dublin this saturday the French could have put past 15 points to the Irish. Sorry for my english.
First of all sorry for my english 😉 Thanks for your fair-play, but we were just unplayable this weekend ! Allez les Bleus 🇨🇵 !
Great point about the gameplan. Logically, you have to think that that was Borthwick's plan along with the fact Farrell is having a terrible Six Nations from the tee. It was worth a shot to mix things up and experiment in the circumstances going into the game but the execution was poor. Meanwhile for France, everything seemed to go right for them and it was just one of their perfect days where the game comes to you and you calmly make the right play at the right time. Got to give full credit to them for an excellent performance.
England won’t get better until there’s more humility and less arrogance in English Rugby. England were dire with the exception of 2 players. At no stage did they look like being competitive - let alone winning. Our 2- maybe 3 best coaches are working in and with Ireland and France. English a rugby needs a clear out at the top. Borthwick needs to create a harder, fitter, faster and more skilful team and needs some vision and clarity about who he wants England to be. When they won the World Cup their identity was clear… now I don’t think they know who they are or what they’re trying to do. In the past they’ve had 4/5 individuals who could turn a game and who were world class. Now we don’t. Jones was kept in his role for 2 long - whether Borthwick - who was forwards coach under Jones - has got the vision and ability to lead and learn is up for debate. He coached the forward pack and they were destroyed by France everywhere - the Irish and French seem to understand that every player is a potential forward and a potential back - Irelands 2 wingers are a turn over threat when they enter a ruck- the French and Irish forwards can all run, hit a gap and pass accutately under the highest pressure…England simply can’t .. and if they thought they were the fittest team….
Beware guys, it’s the exact same that happened to France after its 2011 RWC final vs the ABs. And it took us nearly a decade to come back. Focus on your youth development, that’s what helped us. And don’t be afraid to steal coaches from other nations as we did with Shaun Edwards, there’s no shame with that.
Biggest problem for England in this game and the whole tournament has been the breakdown, specifically in attack. England are really struggling to protect their own ball beyond a few phases and this was exploited massively by France. Cros, Ollivon, Aldritt and Danty were phenomenal for France in disrupting England ball. It doesn't matter who you play at fly half at the moment, they've got such poor quality ball to work with.
As a Kiwi I am going to be brutally honest.
1) Years of Eddie Jones as coach has done England no favors.
2) Poison chalice for any coach taking on England after EJ.
3) Your forwards are soft, much the same as your backs.
4) Your player skill levels are not good enough, there are school boy teams here in NZ that are much better.
5) French flair is alive and well something that England sadly lack.
6) Non existent game plan.
7) I have to question the heart of some of your players.
8) I have doubts that England has the talent to be competitive.
The All Blacks have been through a challenging time in the last couple of years .. perhaps this is England rugby's
challenging times and some hard decisions will need to be made. The top four teams are France, Ireland
South Africa and New Zealand .. sorry to say England are well down the pecking order.
Agree. England will soon be behind Italy way its going
I agree with everything you said, except the game plan. England have had 3 games where they’ve been building on basics. For some reason, England picked Smith and tried to play a faster game. Bad idea, they failed.
I honestly don't think there was *anyone* who thought that France are not physically up to par.
As a neutral, France were amazing and it was a great game to watch. The only disappointment was France kicking the ball out at full time when they could of scored another try. England need to go and play against Romania, Tonga and Latvia. If I was the English coach I would drop the whole team and only keep Genge, Itoje, Steward and Marcus Smith - yes Smith - but he needs a decent forward pack and number 9 and 12. The only time England pack and half back was quick you scored. You guys have looked slow and unfit all 6 nations. Honestly I like Marcus Smith as he has real talent but he can’t defeat France on his own
Thank you Monsieur for your pragmatism and your analysis. So this match France is incredible, discipline is not our cup of tea and however... But do not forget. France is capable the best of the best and also the worst. Your best "enemy" a French !
Eddie Jones was forced out by self appointed experts in the media. The idea of changing coach 10 months before the start of a RWC was just ridiculous. If anything we’ve gone backwards!!!
I think Smith is the best 10 for England right now. He was not the problem.
I don’t think you can say he’s the ‘best’. He’s a lot of positive adjectives, but Farrell and Ford are both better international 10s than him at the moment.
He is part of, with his knock on and his poor kicking game. He was below average last Saturday
As a french man in my fifties I'm very happy for the victory but can't say it was the most exciting England Vs France I've ever witnessed in my life ... having said that England will come back very quickly and won't spend 10 years in the dark like France did.. England are a nation of rugby and keep producing players every year.....
France has always liked a messy game and know how to take advantage of an unorganized line. The reason why Ireland won was because they kept their line and didn't let France take advantage of it. The only time this did happen, the French struck with a try from their 22. England were trying to play an open quick game, which has never been their style, and got hammered. England is used to a methodological game, boring, yes, but brings them results.
Actually the other times England have tried to play fast like that have been the three last games against SA. I agree it’s not really natural for England to do it. Not sure if they were doing that 100% here, though. I thought Portfliet took odd decisions and kicked poorly - he seems to have gone off the boil rapidly since Australia. Dombrandt was just not strong enough in attack and weak in defence. Smith made errors at crucial moments by pushing it - his kicking out of hand is just not consistent enough at this level. That up and under off a penalty that he hit too long reminded me of that overlong kick against SA which led to a try. I agree the scrum and line out were solid. It was in the loose that we were monstered by France. Given that Ludlum and Willis are as good as we have got in that area, it’s a bit worrying.
Top tier back row and top tier 9/10 combo completely wrecked a bottom tier back row and worst tier 9/10 combo. I can’t even name any of the England back row
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That reminds me quotes of Joseph Campbell
"We must let go of the life we have planned, so as to accept the one that is waiting for us."
And
"Where you stumble, there lies your treasure.”
I'm sure this experience will make your path to RWC 2023.
England is a great nation of Rugby. Hold on and treat disaster as an impostor.
I bet for a 50+ points gap for Ireland against England this Sunday
I doubt that. That would be humiliating for England. I know Ireland won against France but I still think France is better. Either way will be a great match
Doubt you'll find a bookie to take it....
All the final games are on Saturday.
A well coached team in France exposed Stewards horrible lack of pace. Not solely blaming him for the defeat. But on at least three occasions (first and last two French tries) he looked embarrassingly slow getting across. Teams know not to kick to him and they have started stretching him. Slade also looked a passenger.
JVP completely devoid of confidence and if Ben Youngs had of delivered that performance, we’d be screaming for him to go.
Jamie George, complete passenger who plays the full 80. Dombrant, horribly ineffective.
Oh and ps the rest aren’t much better.
Période creuse pour le rugby anglais, nous cela a duré 10 ans, pas de panique les gars, vous serez toujours un grand pays de rugby.
When those late tries kept coming and the fans started to walk out, I had flashbacks of the 2015 WC game against Australia. Rough times.
Dombrant was abysmal today, doesn’t seem test match standard.
As was Sinkler, 3 missed tackles and 2 penalties. Awful for someone who was dubbed one of the best tight heads in the world not long ago
And the Welsh with a 2nd string team 😂
@@steffanhoffmann Oh we still don’t talk about that game. Too raw 😂
@@rwaters11 I thought as much 😂 👍
imho i think after losing two teams this year and with teams like Newcastle with Arg 12 13 London Irish completely mix of overseas players and then Sale who are full of SA players, Bath full of Scots, Exeter bring through the next genteration of the Welsh players and you can go on and on, but it seems to me clubs are now more intrested in their own self than for their country which is fine but then fans shouldn't moan when we dont have any test ready players coming through and results!
Totally agree with the oversees players.
Now think about how long the England football team has achieved zero
Their lies England rugby's future
the england players refused to play against france in support of gary lineker
From a french point of view, it would really be great if England could have a pride reaction and kick Ireland ass next week 😁. Please !
To be more serious, even if i enjoyed french victory on saturday, i feel much more satisfied when France is able to win against a great englich team. Obviously, it's a bad crisis period for you right now...
England team players are just individually great and so many of them are in top 5 world best players. England just lost team spirit and suffered from a lack of good strategy. Be sure it will not last a decade as it lasted in France and I fear the day England will find its fighting spirit back. By the way : England created fighting spirit !
See you in world cup mates, for the best I hope ! And see you next year for the next crunch. I'd bet things will be very, very different.
You make it sound like we lost the match with the backs when we lost it first and foremost with the forwards especially the breakdown
The fault lies squarely with Eddie Jones, who utterly failed to move England forward, either through tactics or selection since the 2019 RWC
Kick and chase is not a viable tactic when the opposition will rip you to shreds
But is Steve really Eddie. Same style of play, same selection issues, same mantra. Steve is just politer. I mean have you actually personally see the two together. You can do a lot with digital touch ups y'know.
@@galinor7 I agree entirely. Boring, boring England
On the ball in play time theory. Why on earth would anyone think that the French team is unfit?!
The problem wasn't the game plan, it is much deeper than that. The problem is English Rugby, we believe the Premiership is the best rugby League in the World but it isn't any longer. Like cricket years back and Football now the need to succeed exceeds the need to provide players for the international teams. Down to just 11 teams all riddled with foreign stars the choice and the competition for England starts is low... we lack options at prop, at hooker, at scrum half, at stand off, especially at Centre. Hence the need to pick players who years ago would never have seen an England jersey... something needs to happen at the heart of rugby, forget this World Cup, we are light years away and have six month AND no competitive games before the first game in the World cup, start now for four years time, start changing the rules for the Premiership along the lines of the Irish or French, and remember... the under 20's also got thumped by France so the next generation hasn't much of a start.
Eddie bell5182. Agree with all your points, especially the foreign (residential qualifiers🙄?) players. Was a member at Bath for c15 years(1988-2003). Saw the first “imports”, and it could’ve been argued that there was no damage. However that soon changed. It was gradual, but my mate and I both said if we were aspiring Academy players, it would tick us off to see our playing pathway blocked by in many cases not terribly good foreigners? So incentives diluted. No “A” league now,and mainly Prem Cup or farmed out somewhere on dual contracts. So further dilution of incentives. Forget the past X number of coaches, and the apparent shambles of the Prem/RFU, I think the rot started with players coming in without quotas? Or I believe there were limitations, but these were quickly kicked into the long grass?
Finally, coaches have beaten the rugby “nouse” out of so many players, that showing skills that don’t fit with a coach(s) game plan, is considered grounds enough to be dumped.
embarrassing is an understatement^^it's worse than the Titanic! I dare not even imagine the jerk we are going to take in Ireland!
Ireland here .... if it's any consolation, we will still be taking you very very seriously next week.
Lots of people saying it’s unfair to criticise Smith and that we didn’t have a game plan. I completely disagree. England was in chaos after EJ so Borthwick came in to steady the ship. He’s had 3 games where he’s laid some basic foundations and although England are fairly dull he’s got a few things back on track. And then for this game he drops a consistent Owen Farrell for Mr flashy balls and clearly wants England to play a faster game plan. Not a very Borthwick thing to do, I would like to know who persuaded him. It’s the first big test for a new setup and he completely changes tac. Makes no sense.
The faster game plan was most likely to get the big French forwards moving around the park but it failed because Englands backs were only playing fast against the French backs. A fast game plan needs to include the whole team if you want to tire out their forwards.
We’ve got much bigger problems than who plays 10 but Smith was terrible. I really don’t see the fuss. He’s like the little brother tagging along to a party. He made some huge mistakes and he’s rubbish in defence. If Farrell had played like that he would get slated by everyone. I wouldn’t even have Smith in the squad.
A view from SA:
1)England will recover under Borthwick.Maybe not in time for WC 2023.
2)Stop lamenting about EJ.What exactly did he do for England since NZ game WC 2019.
3)Great player as he was OF past his best.Stick with Marcus Smith
4)Freddy Stewart to slow on defence.
5)Get at least one quick loosie.
6)Jamie George past his best.
7)England will be back.World rugby needs them.
I just don't understand how england could have gone from being one of the two best, most physically dominant sides in the world to what we have now? I'm perplexed, how was this dramatic and quick descent possible?
Agrees and just posted on it, They were outmuscled completely by France. England need to work on this big time, they are being outdone both Athletically and physically.
Bonjour les Anglais, stay behind your players this s how rugby goes I am sure England will be back , they will need a new structure a new game plan and I will be honest with you the England coach is a little dormant so surely the.players moral is affected with all of this. Yes we probably played the best and complete rugby match for very long time but look at the game it was a pure and simple rugby and it work. All the best with Ireland.
We need to continue with a game plan like Saturday but get better at it. We are still slow at the ruck and the scrum half has to take responsibility for fast ball. It would not have mattered who played 10 when he was constantly getting the ball on the back foot. The forwards need to drive past the ruck not stop at it. This all about good coaching and they need time as well.
Forwards couldn’t drive anything against France. Our dad bods Vs their monsters. But yes, we are slow at ruck.
I cannot tell you how much it pleases me Jon to see England get so shafted at Twickers. Keep your chin up. Ireland next week.
If you drive past a ruck you’re then no longer part of the ruck and the opposition pinch the ball. England needed to get better at smashing big heavy Frenchman who were lying all over the ball.
Forget the myth about France lack of fitness. These are Very fit with deep lungs. You won't outrun them, this is no more a game plan against France
People were to busy looking into Wales back yard, and it backfired.. 👌
I don’t think Borthwick has the first clue how to sort this. England are one dimensional and probably worse at executing that one style than they were 10 years ago.
Hi there. Comments that could help you understand from a french rugby fan and player.
A new smart coach, Galthié plus Shawn Edwards plus lots of young new players from Toulouse and a french team bad as ever 5 years ago, miracle now. ...England will have to wait to get something similar, probably 3 to 5 years....Allez les bleus
I was joking in the last video about the 76-0 drubbing we got against Aus under Woodward..and this weekend Matt Dawson actually brought it up in his report. Eng are good at not having succession plans (and Eddie didn't put one in place). We have the players, but it will take a good 3-5yrs to get a consistent side with rugby nous..I remember alot of the Irish side were just alright last world cup..it takes specific planning and nuturing of players in a consistent environment to gey your team playing well..and going back to the 76-0 drubbing we took...some of those players went on to win the world cup.
And some never played for England again.
Going forward to Dublin on St Patrick's Day, Borthwick will have no choice but to strengthen the defence first, and forget about attack. Defence, defence, defence. That unfortunately means Smith misses out, Farrell starts, Malins goes as he was a turnstile, and Steward absolutely must go. Stewards defence is woeful, he cost 3 tries v Scotland, probably 3 more v France. Steward is slow, always out of position and makes bad defensive read after bad defensive read.
If you want to play fast, don't pick JV.P at scrum half, he managed to be slower and more indecisive than Ben Young.
A lot of this is a legacy of Eddie Jones and his inability to formulate a clear strategy and his retention of his favourites for far too long. Borthwick seems to be making some of the same mistakes, sticking with great players who are past their sell by date, but he does seem willing to blood new players. However, the new players who are being introduced have not had experience in the past because Eddie has stuck to his old guard.
Also, England lack pace. Dombrandt in particular hasn't got it at this level. George is probably past his best, yet no-one seems prepared to look at Harry Thacker, who has been brilliant for Bristol. He's the sort of jack in the box player who adds huge mobility, speed and power.
But fundamentally, France were utterly brilliant.
I was in there and frankly it was hilarious, we were all laughing at England and growing when coles and vunipola were brought in and then booed them at the end. Bunch of massive losers. Sweeneys salary has gone up though, that’s great news obviously. England have got a problem next week, a big problem. Imagine them dropping to,8 or 9 in the world rankings.
English will recover before the WC. This was a timely wake up call. Must say very few teams would have stopped France on Saturday. England is a bit in no man's land, but the players are available to restore the trust.
Deluding yourself , We do not have quality players in England just loads of average to poor ones
@@librapower7810 Churchill have said, never give up. My definition is, your current situation is not your final destination, so doen't give in, don't measure the team on Saturdays performance, they had a off day. They will put the reckord straight next week. SA lost against Japan in the WC, any team can win on a given day. We need the England team to make a come back, for England is the house of rugby. In the power of the tonque is life and death, blessing and cursing, just speak life and bless them. We have lost 52 -0 against the AB, just stand with your team, the score might look bad, but do not crucify them. Get the experienced players in the positions they know and build confidence.
As an england fan they were rubbish against france sense the will carling 90s team
Bit of a freak result, everything that could go well for France went that way (two bounces of the ball on two tries for example) and everything that could go bad for England well, went worse. France was probably always going to win this game but the score is a statistic anomaly.
Also, I was really surprised by England's decision not to take the points at 0-10, I thought it was poor thinking. Granted being 10 points down after 10 minutes and conceding a try with not 2 mins on the clock isn't the way you want to start one of the biggest home games of the season, but there was still plenty of rugby to be played and no need to panic at that point. They needed to get points on the board and reduce the gap. In the last 15mn then OK you go all out to try and cross the line but there was no such urge then. Lack of cold blood.
You are deluded
@@joedennehy386 Am I though? I forgot to add that I am french and on cloud nine since saturday, but I can still see that the scoreboard makes the gap between the teams appear way larger than it really is. I suppose Ireland vs England will answer some questions. If it is a similar rout then fair enough, if England can hold their own and keep it to a 10 points or less defeat (I don't believe they can win) then saturday's game will just have been a terrible day at the office for a rebuilding team.
Absolutely agree. Wrong decision followed by terrible execution. Lack of nous.
Selecting Marcus Smith was hope over reality. He is a successful player in the Premiership, first because he has a team that is geaared to support him and second because the Premiership is not the benchmark for excellence. EJ failed to lay the basis of a successful team (as was done for him by his predecessor) and the delay in sacking him left Borthwich with a plate of Lenten pancakes rather than a full pantry. Forget '23, start developing for '27.
No one running onto the ball at pace, no proper midfield partnership.
From Ireland here. England's traditional strength was up the center, marauding forwards who'd bash their way, phase by phase, creeping into the opponents half. Then they'd release the backs when enough gaps had opened. Fast and fluent. Now they're all gung-ho on complicating the shit out of players in positions they don't normally play and over-complicated set-piece moves. England need to go back to their roots, which is brutal, up-front rugby. Borthwick needs to start with his forwards again, and off that platform, set up a proper back line with players doing what they normally do for their clubs, week in and out. After that, England will do what they do best and results like this one can be chalked down to a badly timed transition period. Hope Old Wickles gets it sorted for the WC.
We got bullied. Backrow looked like boys trying to shift men
You said that England haven’t been playing quickly - they did under Eddie Jones - certainly not now though - not sure what you were watching?
England were almost flattered by the score. Poor skills, poor game plan and they just didn't look fit enough. I've thought for a long time (since Lancaster) England have lost their "nastiness". We need some thugs back to bully and dominate sides
Maybe England should focus on themselves first what works for them instead of trying to change for every team
Just me who thinks this, or do England get dominated both physically and Athletically now at international level, think they look two steps behind Ireland and France, and even to Scotland. They just don't currently have athletes to match the top sides, which is bizarre given England's traditional dominance in this area.
Eddie Jones saw this coming .. there just isn’t the talent coming through and the premiership isn’t breeding test match animals. The 2016 generation are now almost close to retirement. The Prem is high scoring but a Mickey Mouse league, where defence is abjectly optional .. look at the players from Irish and Quins for this. They don’t get the space and time they usually get and get found wanting massively at test level.
The back row just looked like kids.. underpowered and small. Where is the Hill, Dallaglio and Back?! I can’t think of any at the moment .. even Haskell, Vunipola and Robshaw .. at least you knew they’d never EVER get manhandled by the fucking French
Any yes, I know Backy was small, but he punched well above his weight !
Sorry, good game.
If you can win your scrums and line outs and control the ball at tackle and ruck you don’t get beaten by 43 points
It wasn’t the game plan that did it. Whatever the plan was it fell apart at the first contact with the enemy
Hollo, England fans. Welcome to our world. Maybe what you need is a new coach, the old one looks a bit jaded now. We got one one and things are slowly improving here in the west. We beat Italy and played a bit better. Slowly but surely there is a horizon with sunshine. So that's what I'd do. Oh hang on a minute.
Intelligent and informed analysis, also like your no-frills straightforward delivery.
You highlighted Borthwick, and rightly so, a coach clearly not fit for purpose. Ok, the players take responsibility for how BADLY they played, but how could this England coach get the selection and strategy so COMPLETELY wrong? He'll be blaming the weather next, ooops he already threw slippery ball in as well.
Also, Borthwick's post match rabbit-blinded-in-the-headlight reaction was just bewildering, naive and totally unprofessional. Blaming the French for "not allowing us to play". WTF?
England need a wholesale shake-up from schools to clubs to national team, a proper in depth examination of what is going so wrong with English rugby. Start by looking at the French and the Irish models.
Then after the Ireland match, the first to go is the England coach to be replaced with someone of proven international experience rather than a second rate, second row has-been.
english people :
" the problem is the ball, the coach, the english food etc"
but not the overall lack of skills from engliwh players or the level of french rugby nooo...
maybe it was the wind 🤣
Let's face it, the english food have always been a massive problem in this country 🤣🤣
Why do the classic english mantras as 'keep calm and carry on', 'stiff upper lip', 'just doing the job (and be back in time for tea and medals)' and 'ours is not to ask for why, ours is but to do and die' not work in this case?
Every one of those England players and staff should be totally ashamed of themselves
The English players just aren't as good. It's as simple as that, however unwelcome a conclusion it may be. At their best under Eddie, England's gameplan was so tightly constructed and the players so tactically well-drilled that individual talent became basically irrelevant (the same was true of Wales at their previous height under Gatland). In trying to play a more organic, high-tempo, heads-up style Borthwick has run hard up against his own squads limitations, the poor athletic standards of the Premiership and the rigid, almost dogmatic attitude of rugby administrators in England, who've consistently favored size, versatility and coachability over talent when selecting for age-group and development-level places.
Eddie Jones has only been gone for a few months, but England players looked in poor condition - as if the Leicester group wanted them to bulk up at the expense of athleticism.
Skills were not sharp, slow decision making and execution.
Premiership is just awful - that’s your reason.
You got stuffed....simples! 😂
borthwick style is not proven on an international areana, well cant do worse then 2015! on home ground this another NH or different SH winner would be good! so france ,Ire or ARg are my favorites!
Plenty of time to get it right. Just hopefully not before next weekend 😬. But England are in the easy side of the disaster world Cup draw. So get a few easy games before they meet top team. Plenty will have changed by then.
World cup draw is great. Bath am Cymru. Nobody complained when y ddraig goch got two short turn arounds in the last one. Boot on the other foot now.
England went with the tried and true and forgot that Rugby is a game designed for the young and smart. RWC/6N are brutal examinations of the national system and the off-field management group. In some ways it is an echo of your beloved and vacuous class system. Players were picked (contracted) because they met the expectations of crusty, booze-hazy forgettables. Your entire Rugby History should be summed up as 'Could Do Better'. Rugby IS what happens between set-pieces by a team of question-posers which is in fact a team. However England cannot avoid the sycophant trap and inflate the player's egos till they become concrete blocks which Les Galles (et al) like to visit occasionally as tourists.
ps: you've also failed to understand that the tactical replacement law changes have preferred for size and not for cunning, guile, athleticism, speed and craftiness. OOPS
The worst is maybe for the next week VS Ireland in Dublin. U20 Irish are strong with a lot of talent too! The Irish rugby team is the first in the world and it's not a mistake. Favorite for the World Cup in France, it's the team to beat right now. So, good luck for England!
Still fancy France over Ireland
@@scentrailstation1780 If only somebody had thought to schedule a match between them in this Six Nations so we could know for sure.
Or we could’ve developed a system that awards points for a win and subtracts points for a loss. We could collate these points over and extended period and then list the teams in order of who has the most points. A sort of….ranking, if you will. We could do it for every team and make it a “World Ranking”.
If we’d done that, we wouldn’t need to rely on gut feeling as to who’s better. We would have facts and figures.
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@@scentrailstation1780 I don't Ireland are better inspired of this France win will England survive to the quarter finals in the World Cup Argentina will thump England right now,
@@Dreyno Ha ha but what I said was I still fancy France to win the WC over Ireland. otherwise we may as well aware the WC to Ireland because of their ranking? We don't need a WC then do we? 🙄
award
England are definitely out of sorts right now, but it seems that your troubles run deeply. Money issues with clubs struggling financially and the next generation of U20's losing by 33 pts in comparison to the Irish young lads who beat Scotland by almost 80 points and are ALSO heading for a second Grand Slam in 2 years. We can't blame Borthwick, there is a systemic problem not dissimilar to Wales that needs to be fixed.
Not a happy Alfie.
Front row didn't show up, 2nd row didn't show up, the back row very poor, scrum half looked out of his depth. The rest of the team very average.
What I'm witing for now is Japan to smash England soon...
England can't play in the rain
Oiiii hes fuming
…great analysis… only Smith is capable of that game plan… the rest look slow and lacking in skill…
Yes Eng did make a lot of mistakes together with inaccuracy. Yet teams like Eng. , Wales, Ireland, NZ, Aust. and Japan have all adopted to combine quality rugby with cheating rugby and they to often get away with it because of cheating referees. But then comes the day when a ref does not allow cheating rugby then they lose up to 40% of their fire power.
NZ have been getting away with this cheating attitude and their coaches taught it to different teams. Graeme Henry, W.Gatland and W. Pivac to Wales, Joe Schmidt to Ireland, Dave Rennie to Aust., Jamie Joseph to Japan and E. Jones to England.
For example W Cup 2019 Eng beat NZ by in 1st half made 29 penalize able mistakes and were only penalized once by Nigel Owens. Second half the same. Eng had a total misconception of their ability.
So in final when Jerome Garcias ref cut out their cheating they were completely out of their stride losing their biggest fire power.
Remember v NZ in the ruck just before Tu'ilagis try, Curry and Itoje dived in from the side, not support own weight, six reasons why Eng should have been penalized. Do you also remember how Ireland and Scotland lost to Japan through Jamie Josephs scandalous cheating rugby where he outsmarted even Joe Schmidt due to corrupt refereeing !!!
Does coaches, bookies and others with money collaborate behind closed doors ?
Or can it be done without money. Definately. Take Wales v SA year 2021. Three from NZ conspired before the match to sink SA. Graham Mourie, Chairman of W Rugby referee appointments, Wayne Pivac coach Wales, Paul Williams ref. Within first 8 minutes Wales made 19 penalize able mistakes and weren't penalized once.
This year against Italy, Eng scored 3 tries after players had entered behind line-out jumpers back - obstruction- cheating refereeing !!! Against France the first time Sinckler did it ref B. O'Keeffe blew Eng. and Borthwick's cheating rugby to pieces and GONE WERE THE DANCING DAYS ENGLAND!!
English fans slating the springboks in 2021 about "boring" rugby. Well well well. you see what happens when you try play away from your strengths now. Lets see how the rhetoric changes from here.
First you have congratulate France but England will be going nowhere without world class ball carriers with exception of Ellis Genge there are no class ball carriers in pack .England might as well select Lawrence and Tuilangi in the centres with Consigna and Hassle Collins on the wings to add power to the back line.
Because , england are a 2nd tier team with a 3rd rate coach, and france are 1st tier team,,
At this rate England won't survive the pool games come world cup
Lol..a French team that clicked happened
Over-coaching. Listened to Johnson and Dallaglio commentating on the 2003 WC win. "We had no plan, we just played what we saw". Pick the best rugby players you can and let them play rugby.
They are overcoached But kicking away precious possession when on attack down the opposition end is just dumb rugby. Its hard for backs to look good when the forwards are being smashed off the park
Marcus Smith vs France
Doesn’t matter who’s at 10 when your pack is getting massacred
@@Daniboi971 That’s is my point, we should not use Marcus Smith as an scapegoat
Just pray eddie dosnt win the cup in France by the grace of God does he
England should have kept him untill then !!! There are many good players real men in England that will never fit the politics of the England set up !!!
nah sorry this is all down to EJ sticking with too many dinosaurs and not blooding in young talent which was/is out there but needed nurturing
The French side has been together since the last world cup
Ireland the same it's consistency and longevity young blood means nothing if they ain't got the balls just my opinion
God bless us all
@@davelewis7098 Maco Vunipola, Billy, Jonny May, Youngs, Tuilagi, Farrell (at 12) were all kept on too long. Young players may not be good enough but they can at least be well oiled over a few years given experience. They do lack depth in a few areas and that is why they are never going to be top 5 in next year or two
Don't worry, you can bounce back next week ... oh wait ...
Well, it doesn’t matter what game plan you have and what players play if so many schoolboy errors riddle the performance. After that we didn’t compete at the breakdown and looked second class in that area. Our pack actually weighed more than the French so we should not have been outmuscled, but we were. Set pieces were generally okay but it isn’t very often that you get a score from those, just a starting point. Therefore the question is why did we appear to play so badly? Well, and I’m not trying to hide our faults, but the referee did seem to miss a number of illegal French moves at breakdowns whilst penalising England for theirs. However, that doesn’t alter the fact that we were woefully outplayed here, so have we the players or the coaches? The latter have been dropped into having to take on their roles a year before they anticipated and on the back of poor performances, so expecting a complete turnaround is ridiculous. We had seen improvements but they appeared to want to change the style of play and selected accordingly, but didn’t! The scrum half was so slow my granny could have got the ball out quicker, and she’s been dead for years, Mitchell made an impact but by then it was all too late and the tide had gone out. The forwards appeared not to be able to play against a world class French scrum. So, have we the players, I’m not qualified to answer that (unlike so many who think they could coach England), I’ll only observe that English club rugby is in a bad state, and going forward why oh why do we retain this ridiculous situation that foreign based players can’t play…do England football team do that! Did Eddie Jones make the best of a bad job? I think we must brace ourselves for next Saturday and for the World Cup; we’re fortunate to be in the easier half of the draw there and might get so far but are unlikely to feature in the latter stages. My hope is that we look to 2027 and start working towards that now, if Ireland can reach number 1 in the world then why can’t we? Get on with sorting out our game and stop worrying about changing the laws on tackling!
you 'll come back in 2 or 3 years ...
En Français s'il vous plaît 😎😎
Simple you got canned usually is England who can France however this ti e it’s your turn
You English turn on your team way too early. England are still a decent team. Ur always going to have games where a team underperforms.
England were humiliated
loool i heard a lot of fake excuses in this video 😆
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