Zer0, Abralelie & other Apex Pros thoughts on ImperialHal vs Verhulst's TSM DRAMA Aftermath!
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- Zer0, Abralelie & other Apex Pros thoughts on ImperialHal vs Verhulst DRAMA Aftermath!
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Sweet: / sweetdreams
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Stormen: / stormen
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Faide: / faide
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Mande: / mande
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Taxi2g - / taxi2g
Apryze - / apryze
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Reps is the only one acting reasonable. Regardless of the data, he’s my MVP
regardless of the data 😭😭😭😭
I mean the data is also skewed. Because reps is an anchor, there are things he does that enable the rest of the team to either kill, finish downs, show presence, and keep key positions, when he’s on, he compliments Hal very well cause who else knows him better in terms of synergy? Sure there’s an argument of who’s better overall and we all know reps and Hal respectively had made a ton of mistakes, but I don’t think the numbers actually reflect the true “value” of a player
@@HidenLotus- true but the numbers are still there. idk how it's calculated and if its weighted for role position etc. all I know is he's #1 in my heart
@@teenslug1 I mean shit we all saw it I just instantly looked away out of respect
Hey man.... he's anchoring in game and in life haha. For real though I love reps.
Respect for Reps. Absolutely agree with what he said. This whole drama thing is entertaining but overblown and unnecessary. Good for content tho
Good for us to learn from.
so is it unnecessary or good content. have some balls man. its entertaining af then shut up
I feel like reps is gonna retire soon, he seems done with the drama.
This shit is not entertaining it’s annoying them foos jus need to run a fade but Evan would beat the shit out of hal
Love Reps for just leaving it how he did
anchor in game anchor in real life. He got that gibby mental
The person who threw the most and barely tried has the least to say. Sounds about right.
The person with the second highest earnings in Apex history, multiple Lan wins and Clutches . Yet a nobody gold 2 player is critizing him.@heyitismehere
@@milkcarton7064 true
@@heyitismeherelol tell me you don’t know the game works without telling me. Always some random outsider with the most to say. Just like sports fans who r watching on their tv Lmao,
It made me sad hearing Albs pov, it shows he has really matured and grown as a person because of all the mistakes he made.
BS. I remember watching him say the same thing in 2021 when he was playing arenas mindlessly just like he is in this video, even said he would play for TSM if they asked him to.
Talk is cheap, I'll believe it when I see it
@@okenebros acting like hes a shareholder in Alb lol bozo
It’s alb. You can’t take anything he says seriously. The only constant between alb and verhulst is they both teamed with Hal. That’s it.
@@okeneaye bro get a life 💯
@@BosnianWayne get off my meat lil bro😭
reps will forever and always be the goat of apex for not caring at all and being the most chill
Zero is hilarious " he said you bout to be popping bats in zone" lmfao 😂😂😂 im dead
Don’t forget the “boiiiii”😂
I didn’t get the reference at the time but I do now lmfaoo
@@okc5265 its referring to the clip where mac popped a batt instead of medi in zone right?
@@ChronicalV I believe so lol
Man that alb segment was kinda tragic.
huh? how so?
He admitted he imploded and made a lot of mistakes and has a bunch of regrets. Hes matured a bunch over the years @TurnMeUpGhost
@@Diet_RiflesI need to go back and watch the whole thing I was so confused 😅
@@TurnMeUpGhost he was basically relating how he reacted to winning under TSM and the pressure of playing with someone like Hal with how Verhulst is reacting, and it's a good take tbh
Now it’s Evan turn. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you
Alb's take on this is very enlightening. His input on Evan's sitiuation is 100% accurate. Hope Evan watches this clip.
No, it is not accurate at all. Alb had self-destructive, aggressive behavior that burned bridged and evrrything else on its way. Evan is nothing like that. Evan is simply someone who said that the WHOLE team fell off, said that he hated playing with a great player who bullied him in game and then started doing it outside the game, but still gave Hal his flowers and said he's great and hes the guy you need if you wanna win. What Evan did is nothing at all and you guys are overblowing it way out of proportion. His situation and character are also nothing like Alb. Alb self sabotaged while Evan is simply speaking his mind calmly and rationally, while being fair in the way he does it. He has the right to speak his mind just like Hal does.
@RickGrimes807 you are correct, my friend. People is making this bigger than it should be. Evan didn't offend anybody, actually he admitted he also got lazy and assumed responsibility.
@@RickGrimes807 uhm what? first u said that he publicly was being bullied ''and then doing it outside the game'' like what? was he really bullied? to begin with, why did he feel the need to say all those little disrespectful stuff in stream and still continues to say some really odd shit. u cant really expect that parties involved wouldnt voice their own side of opinions how the shit went down but u call it ''overblowing it way out of proportion'' 💀
@@RickGrimes807Lets be real, there was no real reason for Verhulst to say all what he said. Everything was fine until that.
@@joshofosho3 right. Hal can say and do whatever he wants, berate or hurt anyone he wants publically, but god forbid Evan gives the slightest criticism right? Double standards
Respect to Mac. He’s matured so much.
I actually agree with Zero. Although Zero rages, but he doesn’t insult his teammates like Hal. So …
Zero usually insults ur play. Hal will target you. IGLing difference.
I mean Zero called Hal a retard the other day, so. I'm competitive and I love that stuff tho
@@oyunboldboldbaatar5519 I agree. Zer0 gaps Hal in terms of IGLing.
@@nnoir Im not knocking on hals igling skills. But the way they approached actual leadership, hal falls short. They are both amazing callers but zero is just the better leader. If you have a winning mentality, zero will make you great.
@@oyunboldboldbaatar5519zero is definitely a better leader, Hal the better IGL in terms of game sense, skill etc. I just can’t imagine Hal with zero’s leadership though, dude would genuinely be unstoppable.
Damn I loved that section from Alb. His introspection and walking chat through his self reflection was really cool to see. That kind of grasp on reality is refreshing to see
You end up trying to play with people who aren't like Hal, and you'll surround yourself with people who don't care
-Abralelie
I feel like this is definitely true. There is a reason that Hal and Zero are as highly praised as they are criticized. Both are really expressive but also push you to be better constantly
Yah but the children bots don’t understand
It’s the apex community, they aren’t used to working hard in anything they do. So any sort of criticism is seen as toxic.
@@Danys81 yah and I get it the game is in an awful state with cheaters but in pro people aren’t cheating and people wanna bitch and bitch because for the most part the better plays practice and play the most and become better it’s simple logic
alb has made some insane personal growth good to see him with a mental
Alb speaking facts
Reps is such a chad.
reps could box everyone in the apex scene and win that’s why not sensitive
What chad means ?
@@neosaber4only a chad would know what a chad means ,, he knows
@@zo2x817 english is not my first language…
@@neosaber4Chad is like saying someone is a real man
Alb is so humble here. Clearly it shows that he is older had time to reflect. Seems like Evan is just hitting puberty and now is angry with dad
Life and time humbled him. 😔
Clearly everyone had abusive fathers. Sad life
lol Hals big E’s step dad lol
Remember when Verhulst old teammates that he left said Verhulst left for the money and clout but he tried to deny it and it got his old teammates named salty and jealous BUT now he clearly is admitting that he just joined TSM for the money and clout 😂😂😂😂🤣
Up to this point
Hal even defended evan against skittles. Clearly Evan started all this. He got his head big already
Yah dude had us all fooled genually
I forgot about this wow
Zer0 CAPPING hard bout being not that toxic LMAO
LOL fr, Zero is probably my favorite player to watch but he was getting pissed at hal for some stuff that was completely out of his control or was the result of directly following zero like where if it happened to zero he would've said "Thats completely out of my control c*nt"
its called sarcastic
Peace love and positivity hahahahha. Nah I think every good igl has been toxic, cocky and demanding.
Zero is dragging his azz too much into the drama to get attention.
@@robledosieteseis2291 I mean it’s his teammate what is he supposed to do leave him out to dry and not defend his boy?
love evan but he showed his age here, all this shit could’ve been avoided but he’s either trying this weird bad boy villain arc or he’s just being naively honest, way too honest for no reason
like ofc everyone knows playing with hal must be tough but you’re competing at the highest level AND winning on a historic level plus living an incredibly cozy life because of it, sorry bud but can’t feel bad for you for getting yelled at in game
I mean I agree, but think about living with Hal or putting up with those tantrums.. I'm not a particularly violent person but I honestly think I would punch him in the face during these screaming "shut the fuck up, I'm always right" spiels.. I can definitely see why someone would build resentment towards this guy.
Damn he even acknowledges it at 2:30.. at least he is aware. Are you guys really going to pretend hal isn't an extremely difficult personality to get along with?
@@williammcarthur1966 If you wanna win thats how you gotta be🤷♂️
@@williammcarthur1966 so then why not do like Reps and leave it as it was? He even called out Raven. Oh but when theyre winning Evan would repeatedly call him the best igl and controller player in the game?
@misaeluribe4478 reps has bitched about hal on numerous occasions highlighting how mind melting it is dealing with him. I would also say reps has good emotional control. And I don't condone verhulst bitching but I surely understand it when you've spent years arguing with someone and every time they are right, and you are wrong.
Man. Much love to you Mac for all of that growth. Incredible. Love Jordan for his one and done comment too
yeah, they had an amazing run, shame it couldn't last forever, but no idea why Verhulst is following in albs footsteps. wouldnt keeping it friendly and mutual be the best idea?
Drama bring views, if they're going at it for real I would be disappointed with all of em
@@CT-cl9wi unfortunately Evan is a terrible streamer, he barely interacts with his chat and has weirdos as mods (I think he already removed some of them), burning bridges with the top streamer wasn't a good idea now he actually has to win before he loses all his viewers.
@@voez0798He'll be fine. He still need to prove it of course. That's something that he needs to do regardless of this drama.
Evan needs to realize he was a top1/2 controller player. Now theses MnK players made the switch is making him drop. And him not playing will put him out of the top 10. If he continues to go down this path TSM will drop him if they dont make LAN and he will end up on a 2nd tier team or worst.
Hot take but I disagree with the whole 'Verhult following Mac's footsteps' take. Verhulst isn't imploding or unhinged. This stuff he is letting out is probably the stuff that almost killed his career by making him want to stop playing.
The deeper truth and the real hot take probably stings more. It's probably that Verhulst almost quit because Hal made his professional life miserable. It's kinda nuts that people are saying Verhulst shouldn't be saying those things because it's mean or unprofessional when he was treated far worse publicly for years.
5:15 respect to abralelie, not many pros in the scene have his level of humility and integrity to look at it from the outside in
Spam click this timestamp lol 😭😭
@@sammootz6132 ayoooooo
Noko that type of dude to fart in the bathtub and then laugh about it
why you do noko like that lmaoo
He’d try and eat the bubbles
Wtf dudes, you guys nearly made me spit out my rice trying to laugh
i watched him a lot, and i feel like its definitely something he would do lol
Hughh Good old "Tropic Thunder" hughhh Put some crawfish on the barbie 😂😂
Yooo Al's piece. I felt that shit lol. Dude is beyond the drama and he's being real about it.
Ive been rooting for the zach alb reunion this split that alb segment made me want it more controller alb with zach rn would be nuts
Facts
They played together In the macro tournament it was rlly fun to watch
I could see why evan hates playing with hal. When hal yells, he attacks u by calling u in idiot instead of calling out the play. Zero is the better igl now that I've seen more of him playing. When zero yells, he yells about the play, but when hal yells, he attacks u personally. Also I feel like raven took it to far evan tried explaining that they all fell off and that raven and his new current coach are an equal footing but i feel like evan didnt word it right and raven took it personally as an attack. IMO i do think raven fell off and u could see hal raging at the plays that Raven gave on the most recent Lan. That just my take would like to hear other people opinions
I agree with you. A lot of commenters and pros lack self awareness to have this fair take.
But it's not a #personal attack he's attacking the act/play they just did, he's saying you're fukin stupid for the dum play you just did An Died Not you're not fukin stupid literally!! If you can't distinguish that that's a you problem
Acie agrees.
Raven just being denial tbh. Bcs clearly he fell off last split, resulted on TSM seems confused about the comps in scrims
bro watches 1 clip of hal and thinks thats all he does. hal has many times explained situations, evan and rep does not listen to the calls Hal makes and they themselves lack alot of awareness. 2 pro players that have to be babysitted? cmon. watch a full tournament then make an actual take.
You can express yourself in ways that doesn’t breakdown your teammates. There for example. No one would accuse zero of not caring.
Popping bats in zone fucking floored me. 🤣
I feel like it’s not Hal or Evan’s fault,Hal wants to win so he chose his way to encourage his teammates (although might not the best way) but Evan just wanna be chill rather than being trashtalked,they are just not suitable to stay in one team
the honesty from alb was the most surprising part of this for me
The self realisation Mac has is top tier no ego no bullshit, just owning his mistakes, i didnt really think much of him, but you have to give a man like that your respect, takes a lot to own up to your mistakes, and not deflect from the truth.
Mac turning into a psychoanalyst for a bit fr
not really
Except he's completely off the mark and his comparison with Evan is absolutely misleading and irrelevant. They're nothing alike, and their situations and behavior are complete opposites. Alb is wrongly projecting himself onto Evan.
@@RickGrimes807wait so, do you know alb and evan personally or are you being a “psychoanalyst” on someone you don’t know?
@@purpleak155 what about you? Do you know them? Or are you special and you don't need to know them to have an opinion?
@@RickGrimes807 tf are u talking abt, where in my response did i even mention any type of opinion other than it being stupid to analyze someone you only see on the internet
Great take from mac, actually gave some perspective and decent advice
Reps is the adult here!
Yea Evan is definitely trying to enter his villain arc 😂
and Hal is not the vilain???
@@djsixninesixin this drama? no he’s not 💀 Evan is just lame af for starting all this
Insane Reaction from Alb. Huge mental growing!
@ 4:40 what playlist is that?
What is Mac playing?
Big E started all of this with the "Raven fell off" comment.
Also, Reps is the GOAT, he knows he didn't grind enough, (even though he never played that much) but also understands that maybe that era was over and they were all looking for an excuse for just leave, hence the result at LAN.
Big E vs Hal would be the next rivalry. Teammates to rivals. Day vs Night. Feeling like lex luthor.
1st off, love the internalization happening from alb. secondly-what mode is alb playing?
If anything, to Timmy’s last point where he’s talking about the difference between treating people differently in-game versus out, and whether or not you ‘air your dirty laundry’/talk about someone poorly on your stream, I would say think about what Hal said about how Evan wasn’t being honest with him.. Hal’s reaction to the situation was surprised initially and he even acknowledges how he feels about Evan saying he “loves the guy”. So obviously there’s some semblance of a friendship there to Hal. But Evan coming out and talking like that is the opposite of friendship.
Seems Hal probably cares more about his teammates in real life than they care about him. This is easier for him to do because he was the one handing out the insults in-game. He doesn't have any reason to feel bad about his teammates outside of the game, unlike them, who might have started feeling negatively because of the way he treats them in-game😅
I hoped for this day and I was eager to see it happen .... to see Mac like this. If he manages to keep this mindset even when he'll win, he'll be someone to look up to. From a very gifted player but with the maturity of a 10 yo, to a guy that seems like he went through some Mike Tyson mental transformation, I'm now his biggest supporter! I hope he reaches the top and maintains the same attitude and mindset.
Can someone tell me what Mac is playing????
This channel eating real good these pass few days huh😂😂
And I'm here for all the drama😂
What software was ALB playing on??
apex r5
Reps has held the criticism of casual fans for years, and now hals reinforcing it when reps said nothing against him, reps has always been a support player “value” stats will never favour him its a joke
Evan made a fool out of himself IMO
NGL Hal is lame tweeting that stuff when he literally said he’s in no position to ever need to bait drama for views. I personally don’t see why it was an issue in the first place for Evan to publicly speak his perspective of it anyway.
Nah fuck that. Evan starting all this bs when they could’ve just moved on. But no… Evan got his Verhulssy hurt and tried to make Hal seem bad. No one was complaining when they were winning 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
Because he could of kept it private instead of venting online like a bitch
Lol hal literally cried saying his goodbye and Evan goes on stream and talks shit. How is it hal fault😂
Nah I’d be salty too getting emotional publicly over real life shit then ur boy hits everyone with that comment on joining tsm just lame on evans part
He's defending his reputation that he worked for.
Honestly as a long time tsm viewer, I hated the whole PR no bad blood between us act they were putting up initially. To any long time viewer who understood the type of people we were dealing with there was so obviously a great deal of resentment and yet I would read so many chatters all propagating this lie and maybe they did just believe it was truthful but it still fucking pissed me off. This whole unveiling of the curtain is so refreshing and vindicating, so god I hope reps can stop with the sidelines act too now, get some fire back with Evan and Jordan so they can kick FLCNs ass come this split. Bottling their true feelings on the TSM breakup will only hinder their performance further.
one of the realest talks by mac
Timmy talking about Dezign 💀 💀
Yo, Alb matured. Life hit him hard and it made him grew up more. Good for him.
Popping bats in zone is crazy
Evan saying he thought TSM was a lesser team than ESA is also a diss towards Jordan.
He’s saying that’s his thoughts before he joined
@@kevinmaroney9819 yea how does that change what i said?
@@IamJacksColon4 meaning once he joined I’m sure he understood how good they were but from an outside perspective he didn’t think they’d be as good
@@IamJacksColon4 except he was right. ESA was far ahead of TSM at that time.
@@fugitive6549 were talking one split relax
Lots of pros need to adapt Reps mindset of just shutting up and playing the video game.
im confused a bit. dont they leave together in texas?
„When u stop gettin mad u stop carying“
Can anyone tell what is the drama about?
zer0 : Thats insane take.
couldnt agree more
Can we please acknowledge how selfreflected Mac became throughout the last few years? Thats a man for real!
you should have made whole story how it started and then what happened
Big Reps W @ 0:04
They had the best run of Apex history. Leave it at that.
Alb gained a lot in my book here
i dont understand how alb thinking that evan and him are in the same position.
Albralelie has full reformed hope bro is successful now
actually mac is a good as comp to hal (apart from achievements)
dude zach and alb were such a vibe duoe whe not in fucking Apex
Evan being brutally honest and transparent equals people blowing a gasket.
is that 1v1 thing only on pc ?
Yes it’s r5
Win at the cost of being unhappy or just be part of the rest of the pros trying!. Until we get another dominant team that doesn't run with the rage, teammate bashing style people just look at this as the norm and the only way to get results, nice really doesn't mean don't care theres a fine line with being disappointed and being mad vs just individually insulting & attacking teammates. The best managers & captains know how to adapt and pressure players to be better when underperforming but build confidence with others depending on personality. Look at Hal as the José Mourinho of esports wins wherever he goes but eventually falls out with staff/players/management etc to the detriment of having to move from club to club or change players. Look how many different TSM teammates that's been in past 5 years of apex alone. I know most premier league elite clubs wont touch that type of manager knowing what they are getting as mostly is a short term fix so seen as a big no no.
LMAO his face
What’s the story? I didn’t know there was drama
Jordan real asf
What was Mac playing
1v1s on R5
Big respect to Reps for being mature and unbothered about it all.
I mean the 1v1 game mode tho
Mac is right about playing or working with someone who's passionate and demanding. It makes you angry, but you put more pressure on yourself to be better. It's true across all aspects of life. In the moment you hate it, looking back on it you appreciate it
Someone gotta check on Mac more often bro
Zero is now my favorite player lmfao.
this was Albs redemption for sure, for someone who watched TSM since Poland this kinda gave closure for how he acted and the way he eventually left, big ups Alb
You gotta respect your teammates specially if they are the reason why your winning
Exactly that why Hal should have been respectful of Evan.
@@djsixninesixno, evans lack of performance led to disrespect from Hal
8:12 dammnnnnn 😢
Didnt Evan came After Snipedown and not mac ? And didnt Evan got into tsm Because Snipedown asked Hal about someone to replace him and Evan was insane in Intel ?
Reps is so nice about it but I feel bad for him it wasnt his fault that evan fucked up and they always used to find another 3rd to grind with when they needed one but this time its Reps looking for another 3rd to replace hals position thats gotta be tuff for sure
Alb sitting there like“what you say fuck me for ?“
if u can’t handle the pressure you don’t deserve to win
it's a bit that they're doing so that the dz vs tsm rivalry lives on
No rivalry anymore 😂 Falcón is wining that 3 vs 3 9/10 😂 you need to have a equal oponent to have a rivalry 😂
Most of the time people won't put themselves in such a negative light just for a bit.
@@javiderivia4224 Gotta remember... Genburten is on that team amigo. That man is a nut lol. He dont miss
Mac realization is very matured about Ha1 and about iTzTimmy you know he is not mature the way he talks about this issue he talk like a kid in a grade school
“You want someone to be mad at you just to show they give a fuck” Alb said the thing that every bad girlfriend does. Glad he realized it and understands.
What did I miss why are they going at each other? Please someone inform me
Reps is a fucken G for that, he knows they had one of the best competitive runs and have made memories and money to last a lifetime and that’s what he’s cherishing and ignoring all the other drama. He’s humble and a GOAT! Big ups to Reps man
Alb spittin the facts
Definitely not even close to being the same.
Albralelie handled that like a boss
OK new team idea: the ROID RAGERS - Dezign, Alb, and Retzi
i am watching a video of a youtuber watching a streamer reacting to a streamer about a take -_-
i fucking love alb man always been my favourite player and always will be
Ngl I agree with Timmy I’d prefer a dezign rage ovr a Hal rage , I’d def have to get on bro