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- Islamic Origins seeks to find out how Islam truly began.
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There are Persian words in the Quran that make up important terminology.
That's a big hint pointing to the western Sassanian Empire.
Mel you unintentionally stumbled unto the Exilarchs leading tge Arab revolt here
If the original Quran is eternal and with Allah, why didn't he realize that it needed vowels and dots? Did he not know that Arabic would get those a century later? Seems like a big oversight on his part.
Well before all creation ...
"May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he." 😂
@@iamcrimsonspecter2 i laughef so hard
Good one, if it was perfectly preserved and the final revelation why would it also need a progressive revelation, that's why they have abrogations, the tashkeel was introduced much later about 3 centuries later, and many other things
Doesn't matter, the script is irrelevant. It could have been even be written in Aramaic or hebrew script. It is the message, that even today, millions commit to their memory, most of them at pretty young ages.
@@saimbhat6243 it's a rather short book and no the "script" isn't the same.
Waste of a man's time and a tragic wastd of a soul.
Very good to see this information again Mel👍
Have you heard of the "tradition of al-Baladhuri according to which three men of the tribe of Tayyi met in Baqqa , near the Lakhmid capital al-Hira , and created the Arabic script wholly from Syriac".
Though Baqqa was apparently between Anbar and Hit.
It always goes back to the Tayyi
Baqqa sounds like the place name “Bakkah” (بَكَّةُ), which is mentioned in the Quran in Surah 3, Al-Imran, Ayah 96. To give a direct literal translation of each word: - Indeed أَوَّلَ - first بَيْتٍ - House وُضِعَ - established لِلنَّاسِ - for mankind لَلَّذِي - that بِبَكَّةَ - at Bakkah مُبَارَكًا - blessed وَهُدًى - and a guidance لِّلْعَالَمِينَ - for the worlds. I wonder instead of Mecca, could this be a house of learning at a place called Baqqa near Al-Hira, where a possible origin story related to the creation of the Arabic script originated? 🤔
@whatistheevidence370 👍🏾
Can you please link this source? It's a little similar to what emperor Leo III said about Quran origins.
@@simonecostantini892
Sounds like Salman, Ali and Umar just like Leo III states.
Thank you for the summary Mel.
Thanks.. a useful summary.
I'm from Kenya, and when I was studying the history of our swahili people and kiswahili language which is a mixture of mainly bantu & Arabic languages. I learnt that the Arabs first came to the East Africa coast in the late 7 century (690AD) and first settled in Pate island - which is in Kenya.
So where did these first Arabs come from? According to many East African sources, they claim they came from Damascus in Syria.
Northern Mesopotamia.
So, North-Eastern Syria, Iraq and souther parts of anatolia.
That is where genetically and linguistically the arabs come from.
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Most excellent! Been following dr. J for years, later Cira, mel and others! As an Orthodox Christian ☦️, i am very happy how dr. Jay has used source materials from the times in question, as much of that is a part of Church history...BUT modern "theologians" have sadly adopted some of the S.I.N. and redacted reality! Through their errors, the truth will,and is made manifest by these important works of u all! Glory to God!!!
“Where were the Zoroastrians?”
The Quranic corpus mentions prophet Mani as Muhammad and the seal of prophets.
Could you or Al Fadi lFadi or Jay Smth contact TH-camr Natsuki Takaama. She is challenging Dawah in Japan and needs help.
What’s her email address? I can speak Japanese
Ram-A-Dam Sounds like the first muslim to blow up a Dam with a car, lol.
Have you reviewed the work of Peter Von Sivers on islamic origins? He has youtube videos.
Hello Mel, If I'm not wrong, from your video, I get the impression that Hira Is the most likely origin of the Quran.
This is something that you've probably already spotted, but that reminds me that in the standard Islamic narrative (SIN), the cave of Hira was were the Quran was revealed to (Muhammad), and that is the origin of this legend. You may have mentioned this before and I try to watch most of your videos, so perhaps it's something you've mentioned but I've missed. So I think Hira Is the number one candidate for were the Quran originated, is that so?
It is certainly more likely than Mecca. Yes, I've made that link before as you have Jews, Christians and Sabians living around there. However, since then I've come to realise that the Qur'an was likely written in multiple locations.
Biblical Palestine fits southern Egypt better.
"De writers of the Quran texts"! Do you mean those who put the words of the Prophet into writing?
No, Mel meant those who compiled this book called Quran for political reasons not before about 750 AD up to the 10th century.
The is NO Quran from the 7th century, not even a manuscript or papyrus.
And this so-called Muhammad was an invented character, most likely by Abd al Malik or his commander Al-Hajjaj ibn Yusuf. THIS is REAL history, NOT irlamic Myths, Legends and fairy tales.
Just another argument:
SIN states that the Tablet's of Qur'an are in heaven and were revealed by a spirit named Gibril.... without diacritical marks, as we know.
To whom did Gibril after the death [by his Aorta] of mhmd reveal the diacritical marks? .... or were they just added by man?
If done by man, the Qur'an is not the original but manmade.😂
@Islamic Origins Mecca may have existed before the advent of Islam as a small town with a small population and within it was the polytheist shrine of kaaba wihch did not host any of the 360 idols it only had some idols. I disagree with the Petra theory.
I currently disagree with Petra theory. I can't see any evidence of Mecca pre-existing. What evidence do you have?
@@IslamicOrigins why would the Arabs make such an important shrine in the middle of nowhere????? after they conquered the romans and the Sassanids their had to be some sort of settlement that existed before the advent of islam in the area of Hejaz where Mecca. I agree that Mecca my have not been as great as later muslims mention but there was definitely some sort of settlement that existed in that area that benefited from the trade route not Petra im talking about the present day Mecca.
@@DomainofKnowlegdia Two things to bear in mind, we don't know for definite when Mecca became a focus of pilgrimage. Benjamin of Tudela's testimony would suggest that Baghdad was the focus up to the 12th century. Second, without knowing when it is difficult to determine the reason for the location, other than needing a blank slate.
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