B&W photographs need INTENTION

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  • @tylrhufm
    @tylrhufm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    The photo of Molly with her eyes closed, and your son in the refrigerator is the perfect representation of quarantine. :D

  • @miguelbmelo
    @miguelbmelo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Hey Matt (and others) if it helps, on the SL2 you can do Menu > Image > jpg settings > saturation > Monochrome (Black & White viewfinder, even if you aren't recording jpg photos to your cards). Also, dude that photo of Elliott by the fridge in the background and Molly on the foreground is great! Like a friend of mine says regarding B&W photos vs. Color: - Imagine yourself retelling a story or describing an event to someone. How often do you mention color?

  • @douglasadrian138
    @douglasadrian138 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As a teacher, trying to get my high school students to "think in B&W" is VERY challenging. They see color, they play with color (think video games and all things electronic) and that is all they know. Getting them in a darkroom and trying to make a print, they finally are able to see something they shot in B&W....but they still have issues seeing an image in B&W and what contrast looks like, what the tones will be, how the shadows play with the highlights. Great video...something I may actually use in my classroom to help inspire these rascals!

  • @BRYCESK8S
    @BRYCESK8S 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I need one of those shirts! Those were literally all my heroes growing up as a black skater. Really appreciate the video also I recently stocked up and bw film and after I finish off my color rolls am only shooting bw so this was good food for thought. Thanks Matt

  • @mahoutie
    @mahoutie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Banger of a T-Shirt. Ray Barbee at the top of course!

  • @hnasc_
    @hnasc_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been shooting primarily b&w for some years now, even when I shoot digital/mobile, shooting with black and white in your mind definitely makes you think a little bit different when composing and in my case has been helping a lot with my style in general. That shot at 3:57 it's amazing and your t-shirt it's awesome are these little things besides photography that really makes a difference Matt. Keep up man your work it's amazing.

  • @mariogpx2990
    @mariogpx2990 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Watch the movie “Roma” on Netflix, it’s a B&W movie set in the lates 70’s in Mexico , you’ll be inspired to shot B&W

    • @theraven6836
      @theraven6836 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, Manhattan by Woody Allen and a more recent Polish film called Cold War. Both are beautifully shot in BW.

  • @BryanBirks
    @BryanBirks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Swooning over the hair. Didn’t hear a word you said. Have to watch again.

    • @norakonieczny7480
      @norakonieczny7480 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too!

    • @nelsonm.5044
      @nelsonm.5044 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      if you want to be more impressed, watch this th-cam.com/video/HrvstvaPc3k/w-d-xo.html from his archives

    • @benjaminkessler6455
      @benjaminkessler6455 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Best looking Dad i know ; )

    • @mateusalves9436
      @mateusalves9436 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kinda crazy he wears a hat so often with hair like that.

    • @anandhua.b4589
      @anandhua.b4589 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      that was his plan all along
      more watch time and more views all while showing off his awesome hair

  • @nelsonm.5044
    @nelsonm.5044 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have two 35 mm, one loaded with colours film and the second with black and white film because like you say black and white needs to be shot with intent. Even when I used my digital camera, my best black and white were shot with the intent of a black and white final product

  • @brandonjernigan7610
    @brandonjernigan7610 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I shoot a lot in B&W, but it doesn’t seem to be everyone’s jam. Great content as always!

  • @Mecholable
    @Mecholable 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I bought my M3 from KEH. I sent it back twice while it was under their 6 months warranty to fix issues it had. Around the end of the warranty period, I developed my first black and white roll (all the rest was shot in colour and developed by a lab), and I realized that it had uneven frame spacing. I only have one lens, so it has nothing to do with using different focal lengths. I contacted them through different ways (e.g. their website or the person that handled the previous issues) and they never replied back.
    I am rather disappointed and upset by their service. After having serviced and repaired the camera twice it still had an issue, and they ghosted me.
    Edit: I forgot to mention that the camera was rated as excellent...

    • @calvinchann1996
      @calvinchann1996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The colour rolls didn’t highlight the uneven spacing issue?

    • @Mecholable
      @Mecholable 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@calvinchann1996 Yes but, because I also asked for prints, I did not look at the negative until I developed my B&W rolls.

  • @sbai4319
    @sbai4319 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Matt. I love shooting in black and white. I still work with two film cameras that are compatible with my lens collection. Black and White lets the subject shine without distraction. It allows for minimalist compositions that provide graphic strength.

  • @fbmooers
    @fbmooers 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Matt. With all the light of summer sunrise and sunsets, it is great to have the reminder to go B&W on purpose. So instead of sitting in front of the computer during the hot afternoon, I played around with light, shadow, and patterns. Sitting at my west facing desk window for very bright, harsh, 4 pm sun on a cloudless 100+ degree day was fun making a still life with the patterns and reflections. Thanks for your pictures, insight, and motivation.

  • @tomislavmiletic_
    @tomislavmiletic_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Using mirrorless camera with B&W profile on, visible in the EVF / LCD, can greatly help to visualise B&W picture, especially for beginners.

  • @cindydang4645
    @cindydang4645 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Getting my first roll of bw film this weekend to practice, learning a lot from you! Thanks !

    • @laurenwallis3319
      @laurenwallis3319 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You’re going to fall in love!!

    • @dflf
      @dflf 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      One type of film?

    • @cindydang4645
      @cindydang4645 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dflf I got the ilford hp5 !

    • @benstacey5508
      @benstacey5508 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cindy Dang - That’s a fantastic choice. I have been getting into film photography recently and used Ilford HP5 plus 400 as a gateway drug. It’s addictive. I have found film photography to be so much more rewarding than digital photography

  • @mezayrapetyan131
    @mezayrapetyan131 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Matt, thanks for discussing this topic. I really liked the images and your thoughts. One thing I realized very recently is that if you put a red filter on an SLR camera, thereby removing every color except red and black, it feels like a good proxy for what the b&w image might look like when looking through the viewfinder. Of course then there’s the caveat of the effects of the red filter on the image. But I thought it helped me find better black and white compositions when I did this recently.

  • @WesleyVerhoevePhotography
    @WesleyVerhoevePhotography 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so many good shots in here

  • @markusdietzel9482
    @markusdietzel9482 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    „Call it a Day“, haha perfect pun - loved it and the whole video, great work as always. Thank you.

  • @pushingfilm
    @pushingfilm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The longer the hair gets, the more wizardly your wisdom...🧙‍♂️😁 Nice video man! I played when a friend's monochrom for a bit, it's amazing. Great philosophy on the topic of B&W 👌🏼

  • @the6millionpman424
    @the6millionpman424 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really interesting video. I have started shooting a lot more black and white purely because i can develop it at home and document daily life. I find it a lot more forgiving, sometimes colour can be just a distraction rather than an enhancement to the image.

  • @andrewhowarth4578
    @andrewhowarth4578 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    When shooting digital, I always tended to think "I can always convert to black and white..." When I went back to film, I still left a little of that attitude on the table. You've made me rethink this. Also a nice tip about sliding the contrast in post to its limit to help with composition and vision. I've been shooting for more than fifty years and I still find new things in your videos. Thanks! Andy

  • @mforfilm4833
    @mforfilm4833 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really love those videos centered around the craft and the intention more than the technicalities of photography. Thanks a lot!

  • @JasonRenoux
    @JasonRenoux 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A good friend of mine who works in the VFX cinema industry and who is also a professional landscape photographer told me this about shooting B&W: light is colour and therefore, when you shoot in B&W not knowing what colours react to a particular lighting condition could make or break the shot. And his advice to me was in order to get better at taking photos in B&W, I should also take the time to explore colour photography. I am still digesting this information and although I see where he is coming from, I also now can start to appreciate more how light affects colour and how it renders in B&W.... I hope that makes sense. It's passed my bedtime here in Germany. Thanks, Matt for this video :)

  • @DarioCruzII
    @DarioCruzII 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Matt, your videos are like my daily zen meditation for photography. Always gets me inspired to go take some photos.

  • @colliefleur
    @colliefleur 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That Michael Meyers photo is so sick!!

  • @suzannelopez9896
    @suzannelopez9896 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a project in mind for this coming winter, to force me to shoot more black and white! I am excited to encourage that switch in my brain to see things differently! Love this one!

  • @TimFitzwater
    @TimFitzwater 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My day job is shooting digital color but there is still nothing like the mindset of going out with just black & white(film in my case). I see everything completely differently and take different shots. Intention is very important! Great vid.

  • @roykropp155
    @roykropp155 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Clearly (to me) one of your most useful videos. The message is one that needs to be said and spread. I get annoyed when someone suggests to me that a particular color photo should be seen as a B&W. Thank you!

  • @macht4turbo
    @macht4turbo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As i can't trust my eyes with evaluating color, i chose to shoot only bw. Apart from being somewhat simpler and less dependant on the time of the day, it is also not how photographs are presented in our daily life by commercials etc. I think, that this is the biggest advantage, it. As for gear, i do not see any advantage in a monochrome camera, silver efex is just too good of a tool and you also can apply a color filter in processing.

  • @AeromaticXD
    @AeromaticXD 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve fell in love with Polaroid Black and White film recently, it’s gotten so much better; and especially when combined with the SX-70. I’ve also tried out some Kentmere 400. Black and White is such an interesting way to shoot, even if family call me “old-fashioned” for shooting in it...

  • @julioshift5809
    @julioshift5809 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is so odd I was just looking up BW photography for a few days so I can do it and now you upload a BW video, I love this 😍🙌💯

  • @flannelcommander
    @flannelcommander 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    When shooting black and white, other than tonality, I look for shapes, patterns and texture. When I’m out shooting I will always have and extra film back and roll of Ilford when color won’t work or won’t be as powerful.

  • @matthewpoburyny5147
    @matthewpoburyny5147 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found it good practice to use a B&W profile on my Sony a6300 to compose my shots in real time monochrome.
    It really helped me understand the very things you talked about in this video which then enabled me to make a smooth transition to black & white film!
    Great advice as always and that is really awesome you got to try such a niche camera!

  • @honest_noise
    @honest_noise 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Felt understood with this one

  • @matthewcurtis3759
    @matthewcurtis3759 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Matt, you should go into more detail about how to see the tonality of light. I am easily thrown off by the colors in a scene and don't "see" very readily in pure light. I'd love for you to a video where you compare the strengths of identical color and B&W images -- what happens to the viewer's perception of shape, composition, texture, etc., when color is added or removed from an image.

  • @arockwell4408
    @arockwell4408 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info. I’m a little obsessed with B&W and appreciate the perspective. I shoot with a vintage ‘82 Pentax K1000

  • @stuartbaines2843
    @stuartbaines2843 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice insight 👍
    Know the feeling 'black and white can get messy real quick' 😂

  • @peternagy9708
    @peternagy9708 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I made a ground glass protector from deep red plexiglass for my 4x5 camera . When I holding to my eye and look true it's help me to see in the b&w image. Actually if you're holding 1 or 2 minutes or repeated - your eye is start to get used to and and the red color almost like disappears . ( Sorry - English is not my native language ) Peter

  • @chrisbrunerphotography3783
    @chrisbrunerphotography3783 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video. You hit the main points when working in B&W...composition is critical, you must have the ability to pre-visualize what the final image will look like and a person cannot simply take a color photograph and convert it to B&W and think it will stand up as a B&W image.

  • @mathewmccarthy9848
    @mathewmccarthy9848 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Spot on. Anders Petersen and Jacob Aue Sobol are masters with BW high contrast images. Although Sobol shot a series for Leica using a Monochrom, most of his work is done w T-Max 3200.

  • @btrdangerdan2010
    @btrdangerdan2010 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    No hat, really makes a difference.

  • @highlander200107
    @highlander200107 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the great video Matt, it is very true that you have to learn to see differently when shooting in monochrome, certain colours turn out to be the same tone of gray; and you need to be mindful of that at time of shooting, because on film or in that M246, there is no correcting that in post, if you want one of those colours of gray to be different than the other, you need to use a coloured filter.

  • @ahrbs_
    @ahrbs_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this video, just what I needed to see. I’m about halfway through my first B&W roll of film (Kentmere Pan 400!) and am really trying to approach each photo op consciously and purposefully. Sometimes I find myself trying to “stage” a potential comp using my iPhone (setting the filter to monochrome) to see if it could translate well in B&W. Will def be adding to my personal criteria/“checklist” after watching this.

  • @MB-or8js
    @MB-or8js 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Opposite approach which I am using: I try to avoid too contrasty looking B&W photos. I purposely select films which provide less contrast but more grey tonality. This might also depend on the shooting style itself.

  • @richardsimms251
    @richardsimms251 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent photos. Good session. Thank you.

  • @yoputito
    @yoputito 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't agree more with your words. Intentionality has always been the essence of b&w photography and it should remain that way even in our days full of artificial so-called filters that turn our original shot into almost anything we can think of...

  • @handwriting8804
    @handwriting8804 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just got my first b&w roll back from the darkroom. I'm not very happy with most of the results I got

  • @likeaghost78
    @likeaghost78 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I shoot everything in the monochrome setting and usually when Lightroom converts it to color they look terrible. They really are such different animals. I love contrast and I prefer seeing the world in that way. Even portraits can be seen in the same way as architecture looking at shadows and angles and when mixed with facial expression and personality something kind of amazing happens. Anyway good show man.

  • @ClaraPNAraujo
    @ClaraPNAraujo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had no idea Leica had a camera that only shot in black and white!

  • @RawCultureChannel
    @RawCultureChannel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    DANG Matt I love that shirt bro!!

  • @arcp_
    @arcp_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your video on the Ilford Delta 3200 made me see b&w film grain in another way.

  • @timanderson6005
    @timanderson6005 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looking healthy Matt! Nice do! Good to see you are looking so much better now.

  • @davidm5790
    @davidm5790 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve never had a good experience with KEH. Not horrible, but not great. Glad they’re helping out though

  • @SISSI_LU
    @SISSI_LU 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Couldn’t agree more 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

  • @tonyhayes9827
    @tonyhayes9827 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I literally just walked in the door from photographing some work colleagues, at work with a Pentax K1000 camera and Tmax 3200 film. I agree the files that come out of a monochrom are the best B+W digital files Ive seen. Now if only the price came down a few trillion dollars!

  • @robinchaplik2340
    @robinchaplik2340 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explanation!

  • @wallywxnfree2242
    @wallywxnfree2242 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wanted to shoot more black and white since color film was expensive in my area but the camera shop where I get film closed down during the pandemic, but I found out my dslr could shoot in black and white so to scratch that itch I've had for a few months I've been shooting digital but only black and white to try it out more. I've always relied on color and worried about missing the reality of the moment by not having color but theres just this atmosphere you get with black and white that makes it so cool and enjoyable to shoot and look at as a beginner. How nice for this video to come out at this time lol

  • @misa1514
    @misa1514 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always tell people that b&w should be intentional and not trying to fix a photo you don’t like in color lol. Also the same way people don’t watch movies in black and white as once did, I think that same way a lot of people think b&w is outdated 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @duncandee2514
    @duncandee2514 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The look on @mattday daughters face is priceless

  • @ferencbodor
    @ferencbodor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m just here for the hair.

  • @jamiecooper7771
    @jamiecooper7771 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and great T-shirt!

  • @praxis1138
    @praxis1138 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    the shirt... so so good. love it mat.

  • @prayforwilly
    @prayforwilly 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    For me the biggest thing with b/w film is.. super high contrast shots exposed for the highlights

  • @jmathews4765
    @jmathews4765 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Faye Godwin once said, "black and white is more about the bones, whereas color is more about the clothing of a scene"

    • @PhotoWays
      @PhotoWays 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was once taught by Godwin. I retread her steps every chance I get. I did a video on Avebury where my shots were inspired by her work (but not nearly as good).

  • @adventureStaley
    @adventureStaley 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wisdom. Less is more. Great insight man.

    • @adventureStaley
      @adventureStaley 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And yeah... Like everyone else I have hair envy. But then again I probably have less hair than everyone else too...

  • @shannonk339
    @shannonk339 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this, I am about to shoot my first black and white roll after months of intimidation! Love your videos Matt

  • @mikegindling4236
    @mikegindling4236 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a Panasonic LX100, and I set it on square format and B&W setting.

  • @DarioCruzII
    @DarioCruzII 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:48 How I feel every time my 6 year old sneaks to the kitchen to raid the fridge for snacks. 😂😂😂

  • @parthasur6018
    @parthasur6018 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    To shoot in color and capture the essence of the subject can be done just like in black and white. But it is much harder - because of the presence of color. You need to be an expert photographer to do this. Steve McCurry did just this. Look at his color photos and you will know what I am talking about. You will not notice the color. He is as good as Dorothea Lange, Cartier Bresson, Delgado or Robert Capa in my humble opinion. His "Afghan Girl" can only be compared to "Migrant Mother" by Dorothea Lange.

  • @milkismurder
    @milkismurder 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a good primer

  • @olympus2OM
    @olympus2OM 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    M6 and b&w Film is way better than the digital monochrom.

  • @jingimage1108
    @jingimage1108 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    ur hair looks awesome

  • @LewisNobleArtist
    @LewisNobleArtist 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just bought some colour film after watching one of your older vids! Usually always HP5 .Not a criticism I love your channel. Thanks Matt

  • @gavinbainvisuals
    @gavinbainvisuals 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That Michael Myers photograph! I need that printed for my wife!

  • @floridieun
    @floridieun 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always told myself, if you have context you don’t need color

  • @my.penny.wagers
    @my.penny.wagers 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jason Lee (yeah, that Jason Lee) has a lot of great photos that aren't high contrast. His stuff is good to look into if that's more your thing.

  • @naeemdouglas_
    @naeemdouglas_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel seen! Haha...I was talking to someone recently about my work and they suggested I chill with all the black and white. Hahaha. Good video as always

  • @_willfunk_
    @_willfunk_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the perspective!!

  • @10Outta10Baby
    @10Outta10Baby 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Matt you're the man. Nice shirt. Great content. Great moves. Keep it up.

  • @erickaraiza5874
    @erickaraiza5874 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bro, that hair though! great video as always, I really enjoyed your thoughts on B&W photography.

  • @PhilKnall
    @PhilKnall 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a roll of Tri-X that I put through the Tiara in... February? and never developed. Maybe I should get around to that.

  • @brandonsaulphoto
    @brandonsaulphoto 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the hair man

  • @evelasq1
    @evelasq1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I tried KEH and I now stayed away from them because of a previous lens purchase with faulty claims that it is in excellent condition. I am with usedphotopro.com as their customer.

  • @ale77x69
    @ale77x69 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love that t-shit

  • @trevoranderson6391
    @trevoranderson6391 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love that shirt

  • @Kazicaz
    @Kazicaz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    THAT MICHAEL MYERS PHOTO! So sick

  • @CalumetVideo
    @CalumetVideo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! As far as the Leica Monochrom is concerned, it is a great camera, but far out of the reach of most photographers. The next best thing is shooting on black and white film.

  • @CherSimon1
    @CherSimon1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    As always, very enlightening content ! (What a smart partnership) Thanks

  • @RS-Amsterdam
    @RS-Amsterdam 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a great fan of B/W IMO you should do another 1000 video's of B/W ;-)
    And your next problem is, YOU WANT TO BUY THAT CAMERA, just wait for a couple of weeks and get back to us hehehe

  • @maxencelemoine4190
    @maxencelemoine4190 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    lots of people shoot B&W or convert their color shots in B&W because it looks better, cooler, more artistic... Yeah, sometimes it helps but they don't understand the purpose of B&W. You don't shoot the same subject, the same things. Color and B&W are two different things (imho).
    Most of the time, I use B&W films. It's funny when i'm outside with family or friends because, they always tell me, "look at that, take a picture, it's pretty", and I am "yeah, well, no, thank you" because I know it won't work in B&W. A beautiful scene won't always work in B&W.

  • @joaorat7779
    @joaorat7779 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice to see your hair matt!! eheh

  • @MamboFerido
    @MamboFerido 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ooohhh new hat?

  • @CondominationSkating
    @CondominationSkating 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    amazing video as always

  • @mitchcrane2529
    @mitchcrane2529 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Specs on that doo! You a pomaide or gel dude? Regardless great subject and insight.

  • @JohnTomasella
    @JohnTomasella 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That hair do looks like Michael J Fox in Teen Wolf.

  • @videobyjnt
    @videobyjnt 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, haven’t shot B&W film in years. I have started to used the Fuji acros film simulation and tying to practice what you described in your video. Have you used Fujifilm simulation for b&w, and if so did you use a recipe you liked?

  • @curtis6861
    @curtis6861 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice shirt man 👍

  • @CMaske
    @CMaske 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    phenomenal shirt, phenomenal video

  • @jackspaeth7144
    @jackspaeth7144 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    dope shirt!

  • @MrChomiq
    @MrChomiq 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:15 perfect