Depends! DIY can range from shockingly bad to highly competent. I work in a technical field and receive electrical safety training. I am not a qualified electrician but I do understand lighting and power circuits, current ratings, earthing, and how to make safe and secure terminations. It sounds very arrogant but I do consider myself competent to do my own electrical work that is allowed within part P. However clearly there are some absolutely terrifying examples of DIYers (and trades people) who shouldn't be allowed to change a light bulb, let alone work on electrical systems.
@@rossthompson1635 what would you do if something you did is notifiable mate, do you go down the route of building control etc am I right in thinking that by law you should not touch electrics diy, as if say you fit a simple light or replace a simple socket, and something went wrong you are screwed and insurance would not pay you out 🤷♂️ been told by a few sparks that “oh it’s illegal to touch electric same as gas” then others have said, crack on you can do what you want it’s not even regulated 😂 thing is I darent even change a light fitting to a decorative one in my house as I’ve been told it’s illegal etc . Even tho I would say I’m competent, yep I understand I can not do a MWC with schedule of tests as I don’t have a mft and all the kit etc
@@kingofthetrowel1725 I wouldn't do notifiable work - which is sometimes frustrating as before Part P I would have done work in my own home that is now classed as notifiable. There are works that you can do legally, but even so people need to be competent to do safely.
I've seen it be done well, very well, bad and very bad. Most bad ones are done by people who thinks they know what they are doing. Oh and I'm bias since I'm a qualified and licensed electrician. Here in Finland you're not legally allowed to do much electrical work if you're not trained and qualified. You can make a single phase extension cord, change the cable and plug on a single phase appliance, connect lights to an existing ceiling box.
Back box repair clips are great, about a fiver for a 5 pack. If I can’t fit one due to tiles etc, old school way of a 3mm drill bit, thread the hole and long extension screw
The issue with the downlighter is surely the cable clamp not being on the outer and not that the single insulated wires are visible. If the test is that the single core insulation must not be visible, pretty well every ceiling rose in my house would fail (all put in by an electrician at some point) as a certain amount of the single bare wires go back into the ceiling cavity in pretty well every case.
On cooker switches and sockets - I've found instances of cooker switches with sockets where grease and water has got into the socket because they're too close (but in spec) to the cooker and cooking has messed them up, particularly common in rental properties where tenants maybe don't care so much and don't use the extractor or the extractor is asthmatic (as they tend to be). You get fun little arc faults in them and they're a definite fire hazard - sure, just plain switches too but a socket IMO is more points of ingress and more risk of it happening. Good job for AFDDs though.. Also it's quite common for the cooker circuit to have no RCD protection, one to watch out for with socket+switch setups.
I have a feeling that 3 core was wired with black sleeved brown for the switch and grey as neutral before the client had a play. As most of the time we try to avoid black being neutral post colour change.
I can imagine the client jumping on in, disconnecting everything with the "how hard can it be to change a switch" attitude then having a errr moment as he tried to remember where everything was before disconnecting it without any reference pictures, notes, tags or any idea how any of the wiring works.
@@tonymcfeisty2478 Electrical & Electronic engineer by BSc here. Had something like that recently with a neighbour who'd started replacing a ceiling rose then got confused about the three cables. Seemed puzzled that I could sort it out while chatting to them about something else.
What is the reason for not using black as neutral? Just curious that if that is what some people would expect then why deliberately choose a different core for neutral?
@@JasGawera Red Yellow Blue was replaced with Brown Black Grey. The order is maintained. So Blue is now Grey. You use Grey sleeved blue to indicate it’s use as a Neutral. Those who expect Black to be neutral have no clue of electrics and therefore should stay clear.
@@yellowfin81 on South Africa black is still neutral. Different colour coding. I noted that Europe does the blue and brown thing, which is normally the colour coding for plugs on appliances, but rarely seen in the house wiring. It is allowed to sleeve/tape a wire with a different colour to mark it.
Hi, I thought that an EICR was to report on the existing Instalation for continude use, not to find and rectify faults. Sorry if I've missed anything BUt I would always report on the condition and then recomend any inprovements after.
7.10 checking a sample set of items for general picture. Excellent advice. Did that with current house - completely rewired it! Then, when a few issues emerged, did it to check the professional work - still in process of fixing what they did. Will do what I can then use pros whom I watch like a hawk (sorry, I know it's rude and bad form but experience has been bitter)
It was, but the structural engineer passed it. They did have to repair the vapor barrier. Jordan came clean in a confession video and promised more training on asking about things you don’t understand.
Have you got a link to those socket fixers ? I manage the strip the threads on a socket in the kitchen when I tiled. I think I got adhesive on the lug thread. Ended up using a different product but this looks a better product.
Did I understand correctly that you are switching the common from the outside light rather than switching on the live side? Clearly either works, but it would be safer to switch the live connection?
I can't believe you worked at that single size cooker switch box while the circuit was both energized AND turned on, doubling your chance to be electrocuted!! Artisan obviously sacked their cowboys and took you Comanche's on.
It's not live is it? When the front plate is off and his hand covers the light it's dark, it only looks like it's lit up when there's natural light getting to it
I can't understand people clamping onto insulation instead of sheath. I've seen fittings where it's obvious they're carefully pulled the sheath back as far as possible to ensure it doesn't go into the cable clamp. WHY?????
Megger for very experienced electricians, very easy to use if you use it everyday. Fluke is an allrounder and Metral if for very intelligent electricians. Beginner Fluke. Not sure what youre doing Fluke.
Hi Guys. Here in Australia, it is illegal for anybody to carry out any electrical work themselves, unless you are a fully qualified electrical contractor. That takes in tasks such as touching/altering anything to do with power points, light switches, adding any wiring or wiring alterations, anything to do with meter boards etc. Simple tasks such as changing light bulbs and adding on a four into one power board are OK of course. That said, the irony is that anyone can walk into any hardware store in Australia, and purchase switch gear, sockets, any type of flex cable etc, without question or restriction. Given that the laws in Australia state that you cannot carry out any electrical work DIY, then hardware stores need to stop selling these products to the general public. One approach could be for any shopper to show proof that he or she is a licensed electrical contractor at the point of sale at the hardware shop, when purchasing these items. Your laws in the UK seem to be more relaxed on this topic, regards DIY workers carrying out certain electrical jobs themselves. I guess the downside to some allowable DIY electrical work to be performed by the general public, can bring on issues such as dodgy unsafe wiring, that can lead to electrocutions, and dwellings potentially burning down. I have noticed that a few UTube electrical channel shows include instructions and procedures in the professional electrical wiring of power points, light switches, rewiring or upgrading metre boxes etc. Does this then provide encouragement and a basic education for the DIY brigade to perform this kind of work best left to professional electricians. Food for thought there people!
I’m not an electrician but I do have a scientific/technical background. Changing a socket outlet, light switch, or light fixture, assuming the wiring remains like for like, is child’s play… not messing around with anything more difficult than that though!
@@jamesherbert8391 Hi James. Given your background, gives you a distinct advantage over most DIY er's to carry out the work you have listed, but there are a lot of folks that attempt this kind of work with little to no knowledge with the basics of correct and safe wiring ciurcut procedures, trunking, earthing, testing etc. This is where the main problem lies with the general public, which brings on unwanted accidents and deaths, and destruction of property. I am not an electrician myself. With all due respect to yourself, i feel that any countries government can't play it with an each way bet. By that i mean, if you let the public perform some of the jobs of qualified electricians, as in the UK, then you will end up with ongoing unwanted consequences. In my opinion, it's better for a Government to make it illegal for the general public to perform any kind of electrical work, like here in Australia, and at the same time police the sale of electrical components over the counter of all hardware stores and electrical trade sales outlets. I know that in Australia, many people cheat the system, but the materials from hardware stores, and perform electrical work themselves to save money. If their house burns down, it will be investigated for non compliant electrical work, and if proven, will void any insurance payout with the loss of their property.We get our share of deaths and property loss each year from unqualified electrical work carried out by unqualified people.
In the UK, if you are not qualified to work on electrics but you have, you should notify your council buidling control you have made a change and they will come and inspect it before you energise the circuit. So whilst its not illegal to work on your own home, its also been made reasonably easy to have it checked for a small or even no cost.
@@martyndavies1482 Hi Martyn, You make a compelling point here, but with respect to yourself, how many or what percentage of the general population would bother or go to the trouble of notifying their Council Building Control, cost or no cost, that's the real question.Knowing human nature as i do, i would imagine some would and some would not. It's the would nots that raise the concerns here. Again, i raise the points of UTube electrical channels going into in depth procedures of carrying out professional procedures, which promote, encourage or foster the general public's participation into carrying out their own electrical work, and hardware stores and electrical trade outlets that sell electrical products to the general public that enable them to carry out their own electrical works.The bottom line is that when it comes to REAL health and safety matters in life, some things are acceptable to carry out with DIYer's and some things are best left to professionals to deal with. Finding that fine line or common ground between the two is the tricky part for the Governments and the population enlarge. Thanks, Greg.
I've had qualified electricians leave behind cables taped up, sometimes they just don't bother push the old cables out of the way tape them up and wire in the new ones and call it a day, so getting qualified electricians is by no means a guarantee that you'll have the job done right, just that at least you won't in principle have a fire from bad electrics and if you do you can call insurance.
Camera man - Why do you use a lens with such fine focus? I've noticed when one of the electricians is showing something to camera the focus is on either the electrician or what they are showing, never both.
Agreed! Love having three phase! You can even run a 5 core cable for sockets and share a neutral as long as it's on a three phase breaker (well in South Africa and Germany you can). So washing machine, tumble drier and dishwasher each get a socket on a different phase and share a neutral!
@@the_real_hislordship yes, I do that too if it's surface mounted cables. And also I use in the garage for example a three phase connector and normal sockets of the same 5x2,5. Just have to make sure if it's behind a RCD all phases are behind the same RCD
@@justme5384 snap! I've just installed another outdoor three phase socket for my garden shredder (search TH-cam for Stihl 375 and you'll see it in action on my other channel) and then added a single phase socket next to it for a lawnmower on phase 2.
Powering up the outside light with its faults ….. glass missing ….pir board open to elements….. not working before but now is Would of been safe practice to of terminated the light Aluminium body live pir board in public area
If the customer agrees the price then it doesn’t matter but I’m certain they said they had finished when they went to lunch therefore it was a morning’s work?
Artisan electric used to be decent to watch when you were a one man band. Now it's seems to be all about production and irrelevant content. It's turned from good to crap
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Depends! DIY can range from shockingly bad to highly competent. I work in a technical field and receive electrical safety training. I am not a qualified electrician but I do understand lighting and power circuits, current ratings, earthing, and how to make safe and secure terminations. It sounds very arrogant but I do consider myself competent to do my own electrical work that is allowed within part P. However clearly there are some absolutely terrifying examples of DIYers (and trades people) who shouldn't be allowed to change a light bulb, let alone work on electrical systems.
@@rossthompson1635 what would you do if something you did is notifiable mate, do you go down the route of building control etc am I right in thinking that by law you should not touch electrics diy, as if say you fit a simple light or replace a simple socket, and something went wrong you are screwed and insurance would not pay you out 🤷♂️ been told by a few sparks that “oh it’s illegal to touch electric same as gas” then others have said, crack on you can do what you want it’s not even regulated 😂 thing is I darent even change a light fitting to a decorative one in my house as I’ve been told it’s illegal etc . Even tho I would say I’m competent, yep I understand I can not do a MWC with schedule of tests as I don’t have a mft and all the kit etc
X2 plus vat roughly geyser ok
@@kingofthetrowel1725 I wouldn't do notifiable work - which is sometimes frustrating as before Part P I would have done work in my own home that is now classed as notifiable. There are works that you can do legally, but even so people need to be competent to do safely.
I've seen it be done well, very well, bad and very bad. Most bad ones are done by people who thinks they know what they are doing. Oh and I'm bias since I'm a qualified and licensed electrician. Here in Finland you're not legally allowed to do much electrical work if you're not trained and qualified. You can make a single phase extension cord, change the cable and plug on a single phase appliance, connect lights to an existing ceiling box.
Back box repair clips are great, about a fiver for a 5 pack. If I can’t fit one due to tiles etc, old school way of a 3mm drill bit, thread the hole and long extension screw
The issue with the downlighter is surely the cable clamp not being on the outer and not that the single insulated wires are visible. If the test is that the single core insulation must not be visible, pretty well every ceiling rose in my house would fail (all put in by an electrician at some point) as a certain amount of the single bare wires go back into the ceiling cavity in pretty well every case.
On cooker switches and sockets - I've found instances of cooker switches with sockets where grease and water has got into the socket because they're too close (but in spec) to the cooker and cooking has messed them up, particularly common in rental properties where tenants maybe don't care so much and don't use the extractor or the extractor is asthmatic (as they tend to be). You get fun little arc faults in them and they're a definite fire hazard - sure, just plain switches too but a socket IMO is more points of ingress and more risk of it happening. Good job for AFDDs though.. Also it's quite common for the cooker circuit to have no RCD protection, one to watch out for with socket+switch setups.
I have a feeling that 3 core was wired with black sleeved brown for the switch and grey as neutral before the client had a play. As most of the time we try to avoid black being neutral post colour change.
I can imagine the client jumping on in, disconnecting everything with the "how hard can it be to change a switch" attitude then having a errr moment as he tried to remember where everything was before disconnecting it without any reference pictures, notes, tags or any idea how any of the wiring works.
@@tonymcfeisty2478 Electrical & Electronic engineer by BSc here. Had something like that recently with a neighbour who'd started replacing a ceiling rose then got confused about the three cables. Seemed puzzled that I could sort it out while chatting to them about something else.
What is the reason for not using black as neutral? Just curious that if that is what some people would expect then why deliberately choose a different core for neutral?
@@JasGawera Red Yellow Blue was replaced with Brown Black Grey. The order is maintained. So Blue is now Grey. You use Grey sleeved blue to indicate it’s use as a Neutral. Those who expect Black to be neutral have no clue of electrics and therefore should stay clear.
@@yellowfin81 on South Africa black is still neutral. Different colour coding. I noted that Europe does the blue and brown thing, which is normally the colour coding for plugs on appliances, but rarely seen in the house wiring. It is allowed to sleeve/tape a wire with a different colour to mark it.
Out of curiosity, how come downlighters need secondary fixing (clamps over the outer insulation) yet sockets and light switches don't?
Hi, I thought that an EICR was to report on the existing Instalation for continude use, not to find and rectify faults.
Sorry if I've missed anything BUt I would always report on the condition and then recomend any inprovements after.
The customer requested an EICR and a fix for the hall/landing/porch light switches. He did say that in the video.
Great friendship that has developed over the year
7.10 checking a sample set of items for general picture. Excellent advice. Did that with current house - completely rewired it! Then, when a few issues emerged, did it to check the professional work - still in process of fixing what they did. Will do what I can then use pros whom I watch like a hawk (sorry, I know it's rude and bad form but experience has been bitter)
Any update on the wood you chain drilled out ? Was it structural?
It was, but the structural engineer passed it. They did have to repair the vapor barrier. Jordan came clean in a confession video and promised more training on asking about things you don’t understand.
HUGELY underrated as a Sparks. LOVE it.
One half of the board RCD Protected is a 16th edition, both half is 17th edition
You lads are terrific at sorting out dodgy DIY wiring.
I wish you guys made more content always interesting, I follow all your work. Great video work
Great video guys love the team work that you all do you have got an amazing team
Thanks so much
@@artisanelectrics your so welcome mate
What was your insulation resistance readings like ? How to you go around testing sensitive equipment, do you test LN - E or just go 250v ?
Luke is a great addition to the team, seems like such a laugh
FairPlay sticking your hand in the cooker isolator when it was live
lol
Have you got a link to those socket fixers ? I manage the strip the threads on a socket in the kitchen when I tiled. I think I got adhesive on the lug thread. Ended up using a different product but this looks a better product.
Now he can watch himself watching himself while watching youtube
😅
100% they need a weekly segment of Luke watching himself, watching himself…
Is it just me or is there a lot of parts where the picture is unfocused? Strains my eyes
Did I understand correctly that you are switching the common from the outside light rather than switching on the live side? Clearly either works, but it would be safer to switch the live connection?
Get some brown and blue sleeving!!!
Pretty good going squeezing a 22 minute video out of this stuff guys, fucking hell lol
What about the single insulation on show on the other side of the downlight connectors? There would still be some on show on the lamp holder end?
I find the background music really distracting during dialogue.
I can't believe you worked at that single size cooker switch box while the circuit was both energized AND turned on, doubling your chance to be electrocuted!! Artisan obviously sacked their cowboys and took you Comanche's on.
It's not live is it? When the front plate is off and his hand covers the light it's dark, it only looks like it's lit up when there's natural light getting to it
9mins exact
the mics is awesome well done cracking job
I can't understand people clamping onto insulation instead of sheath. I've seen fittings where it's obvious they're carefully pulled the sheath back as far as possible to ensure it doesn't go into the cable clamp. WHY?????
Any chance of a comparison between the different multifunction testers the boys use? Fluke / Megger / Metrel etc?
Megger for very experienced electricians, very easy to use if you use it everyday. Fluke is an allrounder and Metral if for very intelligent electricians. Beginner Fluke. Not sure what youre doing Fluke.
Great teamwork! Make sure to connect the correct example Main > 3 way > 3 way > lamp or Main > 3 way > lamp > 3 way. neither. Thumbs up! Cheers!
Great video !
Hi Guys. Here in Australia, it is illegal for anybody to carry out any electrical work themselves, unless you are a fully qualified electrical contractor. That takes in tasks such as touching/altering anything to do with power points, light switches, adding any wiring or wiring alterations, anything to do with meter boards etc. Simple tasks such as changing light bulbs and adding on a four into one power board are OK of course.
That said, the irony is that anyone can walk into any hardware store in Australia, and purchase switch gear, sockets, any type of flex cable etc, without question or restriction. Given that the laws in Australia state that you cannot carry out any electrical work DIY, then hardware stores need to stop selling these products to the general public. One approach could be for any shopper to show proof that he or she is a licensed electrical contractor at the point of sale at the hardware shop, when purchasing these items.
Your laws in the UK seem to be more relaxed on this topic, regards DIY workers carrying out certain electrical jobs themselves. I guess the downside to some allowable DIY electrical work to be performed by the general public, can bring on issues such as dodgy unsafe wiring, that can lead to electrocutions, and dwellings potentially burning down. I have noticed that a few UTube electrical channel shows include instructions and procedures in the professional electrical wiring of power points, light switches, rewiring or upgrading metre boxes etc. Does this then provide encouragement and a basic education for the DIY brigade to perform this kind of work best left to professional electricians. Food for thought there people!
I’m not an electrician but I do have a scientific/technical background. Changing a socket outlet, light switch, or light fixture, assuming the wiring remains like for like, is child’s play… not messing around with anything more difficult than that though!
@@jamesherbert8391 Hi James. Given your background, gives you a distinct advantage over most DIY er's to carry out the work you have listed, but there are a lot of folks that attempt this kind of work with little to no knowledge with the basics of correct and safe wiring ciurcut procedures, trunking, earthing, testing etc. This is where the main problem lies with the general public, which brings on unwanted accidents and deaths, and destruction of property. I am not an electrician myself. With all due respect to yourself, i feel that any countries government can't play it with an each way bet. By that i mean, if you let the public perform some of the jobs of qualified electricians, as in the UK, then you will end up with ongoing unwanted consequences. In my opinion, it's better for a Government to make it illegal for the general public to perform any kind of electrical work, like here in Australia, and at the same time police the sale of electrical components over the counter of all hardware stores and electrical trade sales outlets. I know that in Australia, many people cheat the system, but the materials from hardware stores, and perform electrical work themselves to save money. If their house burns down, it will be investigated for non compliant electrical work, and if proven, will void any insurance payout with the loss of their property.We get our share of deaths and property loss each year from unqualified electrical work carried out by unqualified people.
Interesting 🤔
In the UK, if you are not qualified to work on electrics but you have, you should notify your council buidling control you have made a change and they will come and inspect it before you energise the circuit. So whilst its not illegal to work on your own home, its also been made reasonably easy to have it checked for a small or even no cost.
@@martyndavies1482 Hi Martyn, You make a compelling point here, but with respect to yourself, how many or what percentage of the general population would bother or go to the trouble of notifying their Council Building Control, cost or no cost, that's the real question.Knowing human nature as i do, i would imagine some would and some would not. It's the would nots that raise the concerns here. Again, i raise the points of UTube electrical channels going into in depth procedures of carrying out professional procedures, which promote, encourage or foster the general public's participation into carrying out their own electrical work, and hardware stores and electrical trade outlets that sell electrical products to the general public that enable them to carry out their own electrical works.The bottom line is that when it comes to REAL health and safety matters in life, some things are acceptable to carry out with DIYer's and some things are best left to professionals to deal with. Finding that fine line or common ground between the two is the tricky part for the Governments and the population enlarge. Thanks, Greg.
Great video guys 😎
That was some amount of chips on that plate 😳
I've had qualified electricians leave behind cables taped up, sometimes they just don't bother push the old cables out of the way tape them up and wire in the new ones and call it a day, so getting qualified electricians is by no means a guarantee that you'll have the job done right, just that at least you won't in principle have a fire from bad electrics and if you do you can call insurance.
Camera man - Why do you use a lens with such fine focus? I've noticed when one of the electricians is showing something to camera the focus is on either the electrician or what they are showing, never both.
We shoot sometimes in really low light so a low large aperture is used, over cranking up the ISO. It's just our style too 👍
Whats the bit of kit called that you use to keep the router running?
Search for ‘power station’. A box containing batteries, 230v inverter and charger.
@@Richardincancale thanks guys very helpful 👍
Its a Jackery
Why use tape instead of sleeving? Excellent vid btw
Great video
Like kids in a candy shop 🤣 meep meep
It would be Interesting to see what you charge for an inspection like this.
about 50 million with how long it took
Brilliant video lads. Thank you for sharing. Very interesting and enjoyable 👍👍👍
Our pleasure!
Totally misread the title as "installed heat"
TT this year Lee?
great vt, i would be interested in the ir results if dodgy daves had a go at the electrics
9:31 thank "god" for three phase power... No 10mm2 needed, just 5x2,5mm2, three phase, N and PE
Agreed! Love having three phase!
You can even run a 5 core cable for sockets and share a neutral as long as it's on a three phase breaker (well in South Africa and Germany you can).
So washing machine, tumble drier and dishwasher each get a socket on a different phase and share a neutral!
@@the_real_hislordship yes, I do that too if it's surface mounted cables. And also I use in the garage for example a three phase connector and normal sockets of the same 5x2,5. Just have to make sure if it's behind a RCD all phases are behind the same RCD
@@justme5384 snap!
I've just installed another outdoor three phase socket for my garden shredder (search TH-cam for Stihl 375 and you'll see it in action on my other channel) and then added a single phase socket next to it for a lawnmower on phase 2.
Why is it always 3 way switches 😂
Just helped my nephew sort out two three way circuits the previous owner botched. Nothing wrong with the wires or switches, just mis wired.
hanging out
Great video for people not to play with electric unless you know what you are doing. And end's with food and bike porn! nice
Nice vid these 2 seem good together laid back I wonder what they are getting paid
£200 a day is minimum
You don't need to be qualified, you need to have an understanding of electrical circuits and be competent to do your own
@@Paul-ym4mz you can just get an electrician to test it ,
But what i said still stands
@@Paul-ym4mz lol ok nice try
Why are your men working on a live board with the busbar cover removed?
If a wire is "not doing nothing" then It must be doing something.
So doing electrics correctly is necessary, but motorcycles designed to regulations is stupid? Funny how flexible principles can be...
An installer must be competent.
"Artisan" & charging premium rates, yet uses bodge tape rather than sleeving...
Really? Checking something helps? Coulda fooled me!
You are brave fiddling with that cooker switch while it's still live.
Give over lad
Wasn’t live though the led was light via a background light as it didn’t change whilst being switched
Got to work live sometimes. Just be very carefull😕😊
@@bryanmcnaught6106 sorry? the neon is clearly on in one shot and off in another, so it must have been isolated when they've realised lol
😁🙋👍👊✌️🍻🏍️
Powering up the outside light with its faults ….. glass missing ….pir board open to elements….. not working before but now is
Would of been safe practice to of terminated the light
Aluminium body live pir board in public area
U charge 90 a hr plus 2 sparks all day so a eicr =£2000wow?
If the customer agrees the price then it doesn’t matter but I’m certain they said they had finished when they went to lunch therefore it was a morning’s work?
Spark and an apprentice…
Artisan electric used to be decent to watch when you were a one man band. Now it's seems to be all about production and irrelevant content. It's turned from good to crap
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Please learn to spell METER 😂