Bow/Wand NERF SHOWCASE Discussion Update 1.8.0 | Throne and Liberty

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  • @captainbrazuca8301
    @captainbrazuca8301 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    The big nerf is actually that they buffed staff users to apply a 80% less heal on a target. That’s the big nerf. Who heals the most? Wand users

  • @highfive6340
    @highfive6340 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    not nerf tank, not nerf stuns characters ,not nerf beyblade crossbow. but nerf healer...

    • @jtribb89
      @jtribb89 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Agreed a 10 sec cc chain not being nerfed at all is crazy

    • @Swag-Twitch
      @Swag-Twitch 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@jtribb89 you can counter any stun and there is plenty of cc removal

    • @Th3V1p3r
      @Th3V1p3r 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Just git gud and try to dodge ​@@jtribb89

    • @jtribb89
      @jtribb89 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Th3V1p3r can say that all you want but they already said it's a problem so I'm good it's gettin fixed

    • @Th3V1p3r
      @Th3V1p3r 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jtribb89 just a bunch of cry babies,

  • @dalelewis778
    @dalelewis778 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Have you tried to swap out Ensnaring Arrow for Purifying Touch? The Healing Touch skill specialization with Purifying Touch every 15 seconds could be another way to cycle in HoTs on targets. Those who you would be purifying would also need heals more than likely.

    • @thronewithj
      @thronewithj  6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It is so funny you brought this up because I have been experimenting again with this concept. In my PvP guide, I had purifying touch to give a healing touch as well. This might be the spell we need!

    • @dalelewis778
      @dalelewis778 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Also curious on your thoughts around Chaotic Shield defense skill instead of Overtaker? The Chaotic Shield heal on defensive block could add some extra heals to the arena where it was otherwise lost after the patch. Not to mention the replenish on stam for encounters where you are being targeted. Curious on your thoughts around this

  • @nyxs1s266
    @nyxs1s266 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I play SNS/GS here if you want to avoid being push off terrain the best bet is to stay near the short steps or a wall. The short steps very often stop the push entirely. Being near a wall if a trade off if you get pushed into a wall get get stunned but the stun is very short and you trading being removed from the fight for 1-2 seconds vs the 6+ it takes to get back up.

  • @haste3
    @haste3 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The shield change is actually a buff imo. Any good crossbow / dagger stopped using weaken a long time ago, in gvg the old iteration of this passive barely ever procs. This version will at least give you a second to react.

  • @walterdelmonte1092
    @walterdelmonte1092 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    completely ruined, and the shared cooldown cannot be applied to only 2 weapons. either to all or to none.

  • @gingasvr
    @gingasvr 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    They ruined bow/wand. I’m ready to quit the game

    • @whitestreamz
      @whitestreamz 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Same... theyre gonna get the overwatch treatment when overwatch nerfed healers. All the dps and tanks get angry at healers not playing healer.

    • @strauss_
      @strauss_ 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Once the changes were made public a couple weeks ago I instantly swapped to dagger/wand and never looked back. Bow/wand healer needed a full support skill setup to be viable esp in gvg due to the utility of the kit far outweighing the smaller damage potential making gameplay imo super boring, limiting our kit further with SH and HT sharing a cd just sounded awful and looks like what I expected it to be. RIP bow/wand, I’d recommend going staff wand if you still want to be a competitive healer or sns or dagger wand to fill a certain role for gvg.

    • @itsrice8060
      @itsrice8060 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I don’t think it’s ruined. I think now it’s just more balanced towards the pvp aspect of the game cuz before it was impossible to kill a healer. I’m sure new theory crafting and new rotations will come out to compensate.

    • @thronewithj
      @thronewithj  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I totally feel the frustration. I am experimenting with a new build that helps with this change. Don't quit yet, we are still the best healers!!

    • @darxyde
      @darxyde 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@strauss_the change is pita, not gonna lie, but now still had 2 strong hots (3 if you use blitz also). I think any respectable healer will stick to wand/bow, is still having the most possible heal output.

  • @whitestreamz
    @whitestreamz 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Alot of healers quitting. T2 dungeon queue time complaints gonna be rife

    • @ElApotsainer
      @ElApotsainer 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yup exactly pvp is so bad with Wand/LB right now.. I'm planning on switching to Longbow/staff... Since i worked hard leveling the masteries on both..:/

    • @Doddiripper
      @Doddiripper 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ElApotsainer Wand/LB is ultra overpowered in mass pvp, what are you talking about?

    • @AndrewFrom4Story
      @AndrewFrom4Story 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Doddiripper imagine u have only two things which u can do with healers.. You can heal and heal, that's everything what u can do.. u do 0 dmg in mass pvp and they will take heal from the character. That's kinda nice move :))

    • @Doddiripper
      @Doddiripper 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@AndrewFrom4Story Your main role as a heal is healing for sure, but that doesnt change only because you got balanced. Bow/wand is still a must in every guild because of shockwaves/tornados. You have to support your allies, and you can still do that on god tier. Before it was just overpowered, if its now to underpowered just wait for the next Patch to become more OP again.

    • @arthurbryan5208
      @arthurbryan5208 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      swaped from bow to SnS. hard nerf

  • @epyon6712
    @epyon6712 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Shield is actually a buff, no competent player was using weaken effects to give free shield. Now with this new shield it increases survival, specially against gs/dagger. Just need a tweak on cooldown, 60s is too much, 30s would be perfect.

    • @darxyde
      @darxyde 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm a wand/bow user and I agree on the shield being better now 😂 But do not lower the cooldown 1 min for having a saving grace is enough.

  • @ayejay8618
    @ayejay8618 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That was a good watch. Ty bro 👊🏾

  • @AndrewFrom4Story
    @AndrewFrom4Story 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Idk this move from them.. we have literally 40 healers on whole server. And delete one heal when this character with heal can only heal and do literraly 0 dmg to you is insane. I know they want to push us to play diff weapons but there is not any other to play as full heal. And in the end it's freaking problem to get healers and they made this?

  • @brtruiz
    @brtruiz 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    02:13 Wrong, Purifying Touch does not cleanse multiple weakens; just all the stacks of the same weaken.
    Like if you had 3 stacks of Touch of Dispair on you, previously you would only cleanse 1 stack.

    • @thronewithj
      @thronewithj  6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      My mistake, thank you!

    • @brtruiz
      @brtruiz 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Agreed on it *should* cleanse all weakens.

    • @johnymcmuffins7898
      @johnymcmuffins7898 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It does heal multiple weakens. At a 50% chance

  • @brandencahn
    @brandencahn 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Does anyone know how the devoted shield skill procs with Lequirus' tome invisibility? does the damage stop at 30% to make the shield and then once someone fights through that we still get the tome invis proc at 25?

  • @nickwithay
    @nickwithay 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nerf the class that has close to no cc, no dmg. Buff the class that is the top dps class across all servers. Nicely done.

  • @Hardcore2813
    @Hardcore2813 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    im so frustrated about this.. sure did a huge difference

  • @Mace1nYourFace
    @Mace1nYourFace 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Stack collision resistance and you will almost never get pushed or pulled.

  • @brandencahn
    @brandencahn 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Keep us updated with the healing touch sitch. i'm doubtful it's still viable together but keep us posted. there are some good other options

  • @vezzongaming2230
    @vezzongaming2230 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As far as PvE healing if you were going to substitute either healing touch or swift heal for another ability what would you choose? I’m currently running your healing build from your S+ Tier PvE dungeon healing video from two weeks ago. 10/10 great build btw!
    I was considering subbing in clays salvation for one of them if I didn’t like how it all felt but idk yet

    • @haste3
      @haste3 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Wait you dont run clays on your pve build already?

    • @vezzongaming2230
      @vezzongaming2230 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ no I’m using the exact ability set up as J did in his S+ PvE Dungeon build video from two weeks ago. He doesn’t have clays on the hotbar so that’s the reason I was wondering if he would switch one out for clays and if so which one and why or if he’d recommend just dealing with the nerf without a swap

    • @Iv3y_Lamar
      @Iv3y_Lamar 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@haste3😂😂😂

  • @xmonicss
    @xmonicss 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi! Your links to the questlog doesn't work. I'd love to do the same build as you!

    • @thronewithj
      @thronewithj  6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hello! Thank you for letting me know. I have updated the links, please let me know if they still are not working!!

  • @mystic865
    @mystic865 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I replaced healing touch with curse and vampiric touch passive (instead of shield).

  • @KJcesarK
    @KJcesarK 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I changed bow for staff, really like infinite mana, use the nerf as excuse for that step

  • @Exile8oh8
    @Exile8oh8 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like they lowered the CD for swift heal to match the CD of longbow hot.

    • @mookzsai6774
      @mookzsai6774 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nope my cd 3.3 healing touch swift 7.4. Would of been nice. I Uninstalled anyway. Hope they enjoy the shit teir game they made. This patch should have been introduced with actual t2. Morons GG AGS NCsh*t

  • @childelee2569
    @childelee2569 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The main reason wand is getting nerf is because the healer heals way to fast and much. I know because I played SnS/wand. I mainly play SnS/GS. Wand can help you stay alive for a very long time. Especially if your a squishy player. All it takes is 2 of the 3 spam heals to veg you back into full health. Now imagine a SnS player. That’s 15-18 k health you gotta dps. Then the SnS heals. Now you got to do it all over again.

    • @haste3
      @haste3 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@childelee2569 what are you on about? You know wand did not get nerfed right?

    • @1mmemorial
      @1mmemorial 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@haste3You cry about this change but bow/wand still #1 healer in the game...

    • @haste3
      @haste3 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@1mmemorial im not crying about anything. I think this and 80 percent reduction together was a bit much but im still playing both skills its not a big deal

    • @ErraticFaith
      @ErraticFaith วันที่ผ่านมา

      B/W isn't the #1 at all anymore and in KR where we are still a ways ahead there are further changes such as those to tornado, which have made the combo like a ghost. The devs DO NOT want traditional healer roles in the game, much like numerous other mmo's which are moving away from the idea. Having to repeat this so often is becoming quite tedious for us.

  • @UmbraWeiss
    @UmbraWeiss 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This nerf was so f ing stupid big clans already looking for healers, because most quit or changed weapons :)) last week they wanted 3.3-5k healers, now they want even 2.5... just shows how many quit the game or changed weapons :))

  • @mattwill879
    @mattwill879 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is this balance for both korea and global, or just korea?

    • @Iv3y_Lamar
      @Iv3y_Lamar 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Both

    • @UmbraWeiss
      @UmbraWeiss 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Iv3y_Lamar and this is the reason why it's so stupid, in Korea they so far ahead, this won't matter that much... Even thought even there is stupid how they did it... On global it's outright killed the character :)) The reason everyone is looking for healers, this made them quit or change weapons...

  • @Okok-bj8xh
    @Okok-bj8xh 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm glad they nerfed that annoying shield lol that shit was so annoying

  • @johnymcmuffins7898
    @johnymcmuffins7898 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Healing touch is many times better than swift heal.

  • @jinmyung
    @jinmyung 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No place is safe on this map. Need to q block

  • @Chillsabre
    @Chillsabre 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Post patch bow/wand so bad now. The heals are drastically reduced, the CD shared between touch and light makes it impossible to spot heal anyone who misses any mechanic now. This is extremely bad for 2star dungeons. Anyone who takes a hit that shouldn't just dies. I'm about to reroll pure dps and forget heal

    • @Doddiripper
      @Doddiripper 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You do something wrong. You still have the best healing class in game still after the nerfes. I heales every 2 star dungeon which is available ingame with staff/wand with no problem at all. You shouldnt have any problem either.

    • @haste3
      @haste3 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Chillsabre this is a knee jerk reaction. I did all 4 of my 2 star random queue last night. Healing is fine you just have to use your brain now and know when to use ht and when to use swift.

  • @Szeki-fm4ud
    @Szeki-fm4ud 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Uninstall 😅

  • @CRONKTEZ
    @CRONKTEZ 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’m sorry but Healing Touch was always a subpar heal imo, especially in pvp. Swift Healing is the superior heal; I’d rather have something else in the bar instead of healing touch

  • @dinletz3620
    @dinletz3620 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The fck theres no big nerf only shield that allready broken has been fix lol

    • @gingasvr
      @gingasvr 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The shield was broken.. but it’s a massive nerf to have 2 abilities on a shared cd. No other weapons do this.

  • @davidbrincko2344
    @davidbrincko2344 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Finally nerf, hope next one will be flash wave...since bow wand broken...dmg weapon shouldnt have that much power...so they should nerf even more bow....

  • @GorkxEyes
    @GorkxEyes 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The healing build is dead.

  • @mookzsai6774
    @mookzsai6774 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thats my build lmao. Get 50% cd reduc and 50% buff duration you will be a God