If possible, I keep luggage on the bike and this is for safety - in an accident, a backpack could stop me falling/rolling naturally and increase my chance of significant injury.
I tried panier, rear basket and backpack. Each had pros and cons. I will say it depends my mood and the weather. If the weather is too hot, the bike carry all the loads(panier or rear basket). When I’m fed up about the rattling of the panier against the rear rack, I go with the rear basket or backpack. If I need to bring with me a lot of stuff (rain jacket and trousers), I go for the panier.
This fellow would seem to be one of the most genuine and trustworthy individuals in the online cycling community. I’m pretty much an “errand-running cyclist.” I ride for fun, fitness, cafe stops, light food shopping, farmers markets visits and related outings. I use what can best be described as vertical and horizontal expandable and collapsible panniers. Whew! They are just fine for my needs and aren’t very expensive. Nothing wrong with owning two bikes and set one up for backpack travel and the other for pannier trips. Fun video and thanks for the tips. Very helpful!
I haven't the need to commute for the past 15 years, so like you, I'm pretty much an errand-running cyclist... the best 'grocery-getting' solution I've come up with is a 30cm x 30cm x 27cm plastic crate fixed to a removable rear rack that attaches to my bike with two M5 bolts and a quick-release clamp around the seatpost. I use the usual frame bag, saddle bag and bar bag for bikepacking trips or no baggage at all if I'm just out for the day...
I have always had Deuter Cycle specific back packs. They have some great features. They have a pull out elasticated rain cover from a zipped pocked and a helmet net that is also stored in a zipped pocket. The helmet net can be used for carrying anything, so it gives you extra carry space on the outside of the bag should you have a little too much to bring home on your commute.
As a recent driver-turned-bike-commuter, I really appreciate these videos. The amount of information available on the internet can be overwhelming and videos like this *really* help condense it down into a digestible amount. Thank you!
I live in Singapore and commute 12 km in each direction, with 29-36 C and high humidity every day. If I used a backpack, I would need to take a keg of water with me; I need my back free to dissipate heat. So, I arranged things so I didn't need to cart my laptop around. I have a second (old) work one at home, and I keep a pair of shoes at the office. So, after the GCN wind tunnel bag test, I decided to go with the large saddle and got a Topeak Backloader with the wishbone. The holder system works well; the wishbone needed some heavy-duty cable ties after 1 year because there is one weak screw in it, but other than that, it is brilliant and reduces sway a lot. I have heaps of room for business clothes, a large towel, and a raincoat for the occasional tropical storm. I don't notice a difference in bike feel when I am using the bag or not, and the wishbone has room for two extra bottle mounts, so put some fidlocks on there for the small 600ml fidlock bottles if I go on a long weekend ride and need the extra hydration (because the bottles sit behind my thighs I don't think they make much of an areo difference either) Oh, and I found I could get cheap Decathlon saddle bags as backups/wash-day bags that fit in the system with no issues. Then I also stow a tiny Decathlon 10L foldable backpack if I need to buy some items from the supermarket 5 minutes from home.
I must say, that I quite enjoy how after the "buyback" of GCN you guys stepped a bit away from all the marketing and sponsored BS and can bring some rational opinions again. Of course there will be sponsored videos, but I hope you can eventually get to a point where you will be able to talk also about the negatives of sponsored products as well ...
The thing about GCNs sponsors is the negatives often are very limited, they are amazing products, the thing that is often forgotten in this high end nature is the astonshing price of these sponsor products and the reality that an entry level bike does not cost £2000-£3000. Let alone a groupset or wheels... What would actually be interesting to see is the GCN sponsored whatever, up against the Aliexpress chinese versions (some of which are good) and also something that might seem equivlent at a lower price point. The problem with these videos is it would show that the sponsor products are very marginal in their gains, and often in the case of the Aliexpress stuff inform people it is now okay and also exists in the first place. You can get electronic 12 speed wireless shifiting for £500! Does it work? Seems okay, does it work in 12 months time as a winter of graft? Possibly not, and good luck with the warrenty claim.
If you have the choice a panier is going to be more comfortable and less sweaty; while a backpack is better for taking in places with you.. so a pannier that comes off easily and turns into a backpack is the best option.
@@thomasVerne They are great and last forever mine look about new 7 years later, they can get covered in whatever is on the road that day however which doesn't make their carrying function as useful as you might suggest at times. Any mud, dirt, oil, or even just dirty rain can get on your clothes pretty easily.
yeah I got the Ortlieb Vario 26l, there is a 20l version but that one does not have a bottle pocket on the side, when I get to work, convert it to a backpack!
Panniers for sure. I started commuting with a messenger bag, didn't like the off-kilter weight distribution especially with what I bring in on daily basis (large thermos of coffee, towel and basic toiletries for showering, a suit and sometimes dress shoes, enough food to get me through the day). Also great if I need to pick up a few groceries during lunch break (hard to stow a half gallon of milk and six-pack of ale in a backpack). And I never have to worry about space for extra clothes - I can wear extra base layers and a jacket when it's cold, then pack them away when it's warmer on the way home. Panniers for the win.
I tend to commute at "sightseeing" or "cruising" speed, so panniers have definitely been the right choice for me. I usually go to the gym or super market on the way home, so always carrying a bit extra weight
You can get a convertible pannier/backpack from Two Wheel Gear, I carry it on my back rack when traveling and I can put it on my back when walking around.
I have a cheap pannier padlocked to bike's rack (just leave it on when parked) and put my backpack in that. Happy to lose a bit of aero for clear back with no weight on it. if i get bigger shopping, sometimes on way back from work, heavy stuff goes in backpack on me back, bigger light stuff in bag for life in pannier.
Very in depth analysis of backpack vs panniers. My preference has always been a backpack strapped to the back rack. No stress on my back and more aerodynamic than panniers. I even do this for touring with a 40 liter backpack. I enjoy these analysis videos. Keep up the great work.
I have a similar setup for my commute. put my backpack in a small rear basket on top of my rear rack and strap it in. I use a full backpack all day at work.
Thank you for your comment! Certainly, your solution is another option to consider, as long as you don’t mind securing the backpack each time is a great idea
Depends on the bike also for me. Touring bike is heavier and slower anyway, so I use paniers, esp. for longer tours or larger loads. For commuting on my roadbike I much prefer my backpack because it does not change how the bike handles. Added bonus of wearing a backpack: may protect your back in an accident. Definitely helped me when hit by a car while rolling over their hood. Bruised knee and ribs but otherwise fine. And like yours, mine also refuses to die :D still using the more than 10 years later ...
The major distinction should be whether the extra weight is carried on the rider's body directly or on the bike frame. The backpack is in the first category vs. pannier, saddle bag or handlebar bag for the second. The reason the bicycle's efficiency is that the combined weight of the rider, bike and baggage is not supported by the rider. The only times this weight becomes part of the motive effort are: climbing and accelerating. This isn't true when the baggage is supported by the body. In addition to propelling while climbing or accelerating, the rider must continually support the backpack's weight. This extra effort was not recorded in the wind tunnel test because that test did not measure the rider's total expended energy. There are two other advantages, not related to riding efficiency, for carrying baggage directly on the bike. First, maximum braking force is limited by position of the center of mass (CM) of the bike and rider. The further back the CM relative its height off the ground, the greater the maximum braking force. That's why a rider should straight arm and push back on the saddle during a panic stop. Rear carried weight, e.g. rear panniers or saddle bag, will move the CM backward. Low rider front panniers that move the CM lower, will also increase the maximum braking force. Backpacks will raise the CM and handlebar bags will move the CM forward and reduce the maximum braking force. Second, what's in a backpack may violently come in contact the with the rider during a fall or collision. It's likely that "soft" items in the backpack will become sharp projectiles puncturing the rider's skin under these conditions. That won't happen with panniers and other bags that are firmly attached to the bicycle frame.
Over the last 8 years of bike commuting I diversified: - a 1L saddle-bag for essentials (tools, spare inner tube, rain jacket, super-thin gloves) - a 4L bag that clicks on my rack, for the once-a-week clothes run; this is pretty great because the bulk of it is behind me and not acting as an aerobrake in the wind like a pannier. I guess a top-tube frame bag would work just as well - a big 25L pannier that doubles as a backpack (Arkel Bug) for grocery shopping But then I hauled my old company desktop PC home for working at home, and keep the laptop at work, so I don't have to lug a computer around every day.
For in the city a pannier with a shoulder strap for sure. The Ortlieb, or similar, mounts solidly clip around the rack bar and have a quick release strap so it doesn't add any time to remove it and take it with you after locking up like the old style bags. And off the bike the shoulder strap it turns into a tote.
i started with a rear basket for groceries, but didn't like where it sat, and swapped to panniers. also found them easier to balance than the basket, and still have the front basket for overflow.
Front flower basket. It defiantly not the quickest option, yet I find my competitors easy to overtake. For when they look back, they must pull over to keep from falling over in laughter.
The front basket is also amazing for Reverse Trick or Treating. Ride around the neighborhood on Halloween, and throw candy at children from the basket. Was my pandemic-safe Halloween solution and it was *amazing* good fun.
Panniers for me. I use Ortleibs which I bought in the 1990s. Waterproof, simple design. One for commuting, two or more for trips. Have used backpacks and a courier bag when that was the fashion. Not as comfortable
Lovely collection! I bought my first LV when I was 25 and I only used that bag a few times, haha. Also, love your clutch! I have an Eva clutch in the DE print and love the little chain. But I donât want to spend so much money on it now, I have been kislux buying the bag I want, it is as good as LV and is one of my favorite things. Durability
I used to use a rucksack, then switched to a pannier. The reason is the heavy laptop for home office and shopping on the way home is a lot more relaxed.
A big sling bag , or courrier bag, is what a lot of delivery guys are using. A smaller one is a cooler alternative for commuting than backpacks, adjusted just the right lenght its an instant arsesaver! Downside is they can move a lot and not be safe, altough good ones have a second small strap to prevent this, cheers!
I have a wire basket ziptied to a regular back rack. I keep a small wool blanket folded on the bottom of the basket. You use the blanket to cover or wrap around your items to keep them in the basket and not bumping into each other. The blanket can also be used as a seat or wrapped around you to keep you warm. I also have a handlebar bag to hold wallet, phone, keys, snack, etc.
When Covid made working from home a possibility suddenly I fit a monitor in my pannier for the ride home. When the weather is clear I ride my fast bike with a backpack. When it gets rougher I appreciate the waterproof panniers.
For a moment, I thought you had installed a screen on your bike 🤣, but you’re right-the solution to not having to choose is often simply to have both and pick the one that best suits the particular situation of the day 👏
The Arkel Rollpacker rear bag gives you most of the advantages of all options: aerodynamics similar to a saddle pack, capacity similar to a pannier/backpack, mountable on most road bikes, reflective, no sweat.
An oversized musette with a retaining cross strap, if you can manage the lack of space. Cotton is a sweat sponge so something from synthetics is ideal. I used a dry bag or a plastic bag to keep everything safe from moisture.
I have a pannier that also works as a backpack. Makes carrying it off the bike much easier! (you can tell I am not the type to not carry a bunch of stuff in my pack)
I've been using the same backpack for nearly 20 years. It has a vent space, a hidden waterproof cover and can been extended to carry a bit more. Goes through the wash a few times and is exposed to the sun and heat in Australia but still looks near new. It's a BlackWolf Titanium 35 and is completely indestructible. Amazing quality.
I use a Topeak cycling bag that has thin panniers but also a hard-sided bag with a strap. Cuts down on resistance; holds loads including shoes, clothes, and my laptop; and easy to carry to our showers or even into the office (though I have a locker in the shower room). Best of both worlds. I used a backpack for a while but my back always got so sweaty - sweatier than the rest of me so it was clearly sapping water from me. Not good on a 13.7 mile commute when I’m pushing myself.
I prefer any additional weight to be attached to my body. My go to winter backpack is a lightweight runners pack with a stonking huge retro reflective panel.
I always love the insights you bring to commuting by bike, Simon. I really like the content you produce, so thanks for that. I commute 3,000 km per year, and in all weather, so how best to carry stuff is a big issue for me. I'm on my second Proviz Reflect 360. It's fantastic for safety (you can see it a mile off) and a decent size (30 litres), but it's not waterproof and I'm fed up of stuffing things into plastic bags. As Simon says, plastic bags are light an do the job, but it's hard to look professional when you start unloading stuff at the workplace. I've bought an Ortlieb Messenger Bag but have yet to use it. Being 39 litres, there should be room for a pair of shoes as well as a change of clothing. I think that sweaty back syndrome is unavoidable with backpacks - but backpacks are still my preferred option. I have used paniers, but the handling is horrible with them on and then there's the faff of getting them on and off the bike.
I prefer my Sunlite, trunk-style bag, that goes on top of my rear rack. It carries everything that I need for a normal ride. Basic tools, patch kit and tube, flip-flops, a nylon rain jacket and cable lock. Plus, I carry my wallet and phone in it, as well. I have older style, 'open' racks, so I got a Blackburn Rackmate to provide a platform and my bag attaches to the rack through slots in the Rackmate. I have a larger version on my tandem. I rode to college with a backpack, back in the late 70's and early 80's, but rarely any other time.
Perception is everything, I remember saving up for my first LV and some coworkers automatically thought it was fake because I was a young black girl. At that point I really stopped caring what people's opinions were, people will always have their opinions based on how you look. After this I shopped in kislux . If you drive a Bentley and get out of the car with a fake Hermes, no one will question you.
I'm a huge fan of the RackTime system. Super easy to attach and remove bags when you get to your destination and they sell an adapter to convert anything you can think of to work with their racks. I've even converted a milk crate for shopping trips.
With a dowel and some rope I can clamp any backpack securely to my pannier rack, and have been doing so for years. The trick is to manage any loose strap ends with some Velcro so they don't hit the spokes .
I, like Simon, have ridden my road bike to work with the same backpack for at least the last 10 years. Although it must be said that my bag is a fair bit cleaner than his. 😂I do also have a gravel bike with pannier bags for shopping runs or multi-day bike rides with my wife who needs more space for shoes and cosmetics than I do. I love the channel and have been a proud supporter since discovering you a few years back. Thanks for the great content as well as the hard work.
I always carry a back pack, though I am on a road bike. Mine holds the waterproof cover in a compartment at the bottom of the bag. Because I cycle in humid Sydney mine does have that gauze which is only attached at top and bottom of the bag. It is effective for airflow was well as sweat management. Spend a little more on the bag and they do last. The one other thing I would suggest is, I have a tail light attached to the back of the bag which sits more at eye level for motorists. One of my neighbours even commented on the effectiveness of it to me.
I like my roll top backpack. Waterproof, light weight, fits my lunch and an extra set of clothes and rolls down when I don't have much to carry. I ripped it going under a fallen tree about a year ago and shoe goo'd a reflective strip over the rip, still going strong.
As a commuter doing thousands of miles per year just to work and back ... milk crates on a front and rear rack. I still have rear panniers too, and between 2 milk crates and the panniers I can fit a weeks worth of food on my bike to go grocery shopping and rarely need to drive my car to pick up anything. I also carry a hydration pack on my back with 3 liters of water so I can just sip as I ride... but that is just in the summer, and I am in FL, so I'm biking to work in 95-105 F (35-40.5C) and need to keep hydrated as I sweat buckets on my 11.6 mile (18.7k) commute
I’ve ridden with all different kinds of bags for commuting since the pandemic. I recently just sold my bike with the panniers I find my canyon grail with a large handlebar bag and waterproof backpack from Ortlieb does the trick. But I don’t have to worry about a sweaty back as my office has a private gym with showers. This set up is just faster I lost over 1mph average with the panniers and trunk bag.
For me Panniers are the best solution. Backpacks/courier bags cause me shoulder pain and make me sweat. Panniers carry more and carry the weight on the bike as you mentioned. The right bike with dedicated racks are probably better for commuting in any event. I have used both and prefer panniers.
I leave my laptop at work and use a small over the shoulder sling bag that sits in front to carry my smartphone, keys, etc. On the bike you only have the strap on your back and the bag itself hangs down a bit leaving plenty of air between the bag and your front torso. That or an old school linen sports/swimming bag are my top ones.
When I used to cycle to work I decided on a Ortleib handlebar bag, and a standard road saddle bag, it had enough space for shoes clothes and some lunch. Not big enough for a laptop but you could fit a tablet in it, and while I don't know how aero it was, because it broke the wind in front of my body I don't think it was as bad as it seems at first sight, and on the cold days it also blocked some of the cold wind from your body. For any biggest loads I would go with panniers, not really a fan of a backpack unless it is under a couple of miles and even then it could get sweaty on a hot day.
I carry quite light, but I do have a laptop, I have tried several backpacks but always find them too sweaty, so my go-to is a messenger bag. It sits lower on my back which addresses the sweat issue and with a secondary strap under my left arm it is very secure on my gravel/track/road commute. I was surprised messenger bags did not get a mention in this video.
I flip flop between the comfort and non-sweatiness of panniers, and the serene absence of panniers rattling on a rack when i use a backpack (my commute is through a forest)
I was gifted a backpack with a mesh frame that gives an airgap on your back, it was by Osprey. Probably the similar model is the synchro. Does a good job.
I bought my messenger bag in 1997. Aside from one of the latches snapping on one side, I still use it (used it yesterday). It cost me £25 at the time and I feel I have had value for money so far.
I used a frame bag and if I had to carry more a back pack strapped on top of a rack, tucked away nice and aero. There is a massive range of bike bag options, for my shopping bike I had 9" rise BMX bars on a 90's MTB and that left room to sling a back pack over the cross bar. With that set up tail winds were fantastic, head winds not so much
Over 50 years of different types of riding, I've had numerous racks, panniers, and rucksacks. Only did one cycle touring holiday, with about ten others in 1980, I had Karrimor panniers front and rear. We used Youth Hostels and only about 40 miles per day. I was the only strong cyclist, one chap had been a cycle tourer, a couple of others had drop handlebar bikes they used to commute in London - those three had 5-speed deraileurs, the rest had 3-gear max bikes - hard work for Peak District! I carried spares, tools, my stuff, and a lot of theirs. Karrimor kit died and replaced by Altura rear (large pair and small pair). Haven't needed or used front panniers for 40 years. I still have the Altura panniers but hardly use them. Topeak slide-on rack and bag works well but the version with fold out side panniers proved cumbersome and I gave it away - the smaller version with separate small Altura side panniers (if needed) works best. Today, I used it and a small rucksack on Orbea 7-speed town bike for the short ride to daughter's to take 8-month old granddaughter for a walk in her buggy - needed waterproofs. I still have an Altura suitcase and their briefcase. I would ride from East End London 20+ miles each way to town halls for meetings each month. The suitcase could take a suit with tie and shirt etc, shoes, and wash gear so I'd arrive, shower and attend meeting as smartest dressed person in the room - vs those who drove or used public transport who often had a long walk from station to venue. Meetings down south, eg Croydon, with the tram were a bit awkward to avoid slipping on the tram rails. The briefcase took the laptop (obviously) and associated cables and papers for the meetings. Haven't seen those two excellent products on sale for maybe 25 years. One more thing: I now have a Topeak top tube bag on my 2018 Roubaix (modified stem and bars to get lower and longer). The bag was an offer I couldn't refuse from Halfords. Looks ugly but is almost perfect for the job. I'm 69 and had a heart attack in 2020 with stent fitted. I pack: pills (usually just the evening's statin unless I go out in early morning when I carry the full set); charging plug & cables for phone, headphones, and Garmin watch (just hospital wards tend not to have any); charging block (wife insists I remain contactable); hearing aids and batteries; bone conducting headphones to take calls and get directions from smart phone. The bike might be light and more aero than when I got it but this old man's accoutrements less so.
One more argument: the pannier is more flexible for unplanned things, like your partner asking to bring a watermelon from the supermarket on the way home or your boss asking you to take a sample device to a customer visit next day which you need to carry home first. For commuting convenience (and that includes maintenance time as well) had been my biggest factor over the last 3 decades. Arguing you would be faster with a road bike and aerodynamic backpack for commuting is probably lying to yourself if you include the time you need to pump up your tires (less often needed on big tubes/tires), charge the batteries, change clothes (especially if you go with Lycra and/or without mudguards), cleaning bike in salty winter conditions below freezing point, maintaining chain, ... but of course depends on distance, depends on weather conditions in your region, depends on if you are riding more in a city or more outside on country roads and so on.
@@OriginalTrev I am suggesting that riding faster with the need to take a shower and changing clothes might take more time in total than riding slower without the need for a shower and changing clothes ... so riding faster doesn't necessarily include being faster for starting your job. And, not everyone is in the position like Si that his workplace offers support for bike riders and parking spots.
I agree about the plastic bags for my office clothes and papers, and I also use basic zip-loc bags for keeping small stuff (phone, wallet, etc.) dry. I tried panniers once but sold them after a few months; I just hated the effect they had on the bike's handling and I disliked the extra steps taking the bags off the rack and reinstalling every time I stopped off somewhere and had to lock up on the street. Finally, I have never gotten along with a backpack on my bikes. The top of the bag hits my helmet (this is worse if you ride more low and aero imo). The rolltop ones like my Ortliebs block my view when checking over my shoulders. And to access contents I need to stop and pull over and remove the bag, which is usually easier if I climb off the the bike completely. For this reason, I keep going back to my old school messenger bags. They ride lower on your shoulders, giving you a clear view. You can easily swing the bag around (even while riding) to retrieve stuff. The only disadvantage imo is the weight is positioned asymmetrically on your back, hung on one shoulder, vs. the backpack's big plus of load distributed centrally on your back to both shoulders and stabilized by a chest strap and waist belt if needed. But I have found if you don't overload a messenger bag with too much weight and use the main and cross straps properly, the weight is very manageable on one shoulder. Reflective strips are great but you can also just buy reflective tape and put some on your bag (and your bike!). I always like having a tab or loop to attach a blinkie to my bags in winter; amazingly, my Ortlieb messenger bags (which are otherwise great bike-specific bags) omit these essential features.
Pretty sensible advice here. I've been commuting to work for 20 years now. For a long time, I used panniers, even though they completely destroy any semblance of performance on a bicycle. They are extremely practical and totally unexciting, kind of a bicycling equivalent of a utility van. Now I forgo a rack entirely and just use an Ortlieb waterproof backpack, and that seems to work nearly all the time, even for trips to the grocery store. For longer, overnight trips (i.e., credit card touring), I use a (very expensive) Tailfin Aeropack. It holds a decent amount of stuff, you can mount it directly to the thru-axle, and doesn't mess up the bike handling nearly as much as panniers. I still agree with Si that if you're doing serious touring or bikepacking, or just carrying 10kg of tools or something, panniers are definitely the best choice. I hate those bikepacking sausage bags; I tried them on a short trip once and found them to be mostly useless.
Aw, Queens Park. It's a really good point about how long these last, I've had my bags so long I don't even remember how or where I got them. Probably should have bee less concerned about cost as a result. Basically, the panniers for my shopping trips, backpack most other times.
For the past 8 years or so I’ve been using an ultra-sil sea to summit dry sack. Packs down to half a jersey pocket, is water proof, and at 22L holds a week’s worth of work clothes (shoes stay at work) and laptop if required. No padding but air acts as cushioning and was $30 AUD from memory. No compartments though.
Getting a panier style bug for my bike commute (dutch bike) has been the best descision ever. No more sweaty back and with the quick release system there is no more hassle with strapping things down. I hook it in when i leave and just pull on the release leaver strap an i've got the bag in my hands and can just leave. My panier was just 45 € it fits evrything i need with a seprate laptop pouch which velcros to the inside of the bag. So i can also remove it if I don't need the laptop And I can get a pretty sizeable grocery shop in there, even leaving the top open if necessarry. I decided against a 3-in-1 function as I never need it as a backpack, the bag has a shoulderstrap which is sufficient if I need to carry it when it is heavy. Otherwise it has a normal handle which is totally fine when just carrying it for a minute or 2. At the front there is a pouch with a zipper for quick access items. The bag is completely waterproof. So not woories at all. Get a panier when you're a normal commuter. Even when overloaded with a big shop wondering if the quick release mechanism will break off due to weight, I have never noticed if the bag was there or not, no change except when putting the bike on it's stand ;)
I started with a backpack, but as mentioned the problem is sweat - although of breathable mesh. For my Kickbike the best solution was to sew a tiny pair of panniers, which fit perfect on the front rack.
You cant give a bag a 10/10 but i can give this video a 10/10! Bags are a case of the right tool for the job. Depending on what im doing i ride with a backpack, panniers or a trunk bag. The only bag i always have on my bike is a small top tube bag i made to hold my tools, pump and spare tube because i always what those with me. (Also shout out for Arkel bags, fantastic!)
I find that reflective markings don't work, best to use a bright rear light either attached to the bag or your bike. Usually the reflective areas on bags are not big enough to see from a distance. I ride a lot through the city in lower light conditions and I've seen plenty of bags on riders in front of me that I don't notice until I get closer to them, same goes for cheaper low light bike lights. But I understand that Si has to mention a safety feature.
You need a old school Caradice for your fancy road bike. Used a Nelson Long Flap on my rackless road bike for years until I had to start schlepping a laptop around.
Yes! I used a Carradice Barley for years. Just about room for clothes, lunch box, spare tube, etc. I was able to keep bulky stuff like shoes and a towel in a locker at work, but could always lash extra stuff to the top of the bag when necessary. The need to carry a laptop forced me to use a pannier for the last couple of years too. Nothing wrong with panniers really, but I’d rather be using the lightweight bike rather than the one with the rack.
Yes for Dutch parents who cycle to their job and on the way back pick up the kids from school and buy groceries at the supermarket a small backpack works best. Absolutely.
I use a mini borealis backpack. My commute isn't terribly far but the wind can brutal. The mini is enough to hold my work clothes and extras but small enough to not be a sail on my back.
I have 7km each way every day on my ebike. I use some good ol thrift store ortlieb paniers, usually only one. I have no other way of transport so they also allow me to grocery shop on my way back from work. Brilliant for me
Anything over 20 mins, and you want a pannier. My commuting setup always includes the rear rack, just because I enjoy long commutes with a shower at the end. I do leave stuff at the office where possible, but work issued me with a behemoth of a laptop and putting it on my back for more than 20 mins isn't viable. When doing my short route (with a longer car component), I do usually plump for backpack. Mine hasn't lasted quite as long as that 😅
Back in 1986, a 16 year old me would cycle the uphill 4 mile route to college. Sprinting in 15 mins …. Twice a day. I had panniers for college folders. And I have no idea how much power and twist stress I was applying, but I snapped the back axel inside the rear hub not once but twice…
I use both a backpack and the same model pannier shown in this video, I use the pannier to keep all of my rain gear and lock and gloves and other bike stuff so I don't have to bring in inside in my backpack
I ride a gravel bike and use panniers, a rack top bag, and a back pack. As a music teacher I need to carry a Saxophone, Clarinet, Flute, laptop, lunch, a change of clothes and shoes to three different workplaces per week. It would have been so much easier to teach maths at just one school!
I commuted for a while with a backpack but then I got a set of panniers that fit my laptop and I vowed to never go back. That said tho, one of my other bikes has a front basket that actually fits my backpack and it works surprisingly well so that can be another option that gets the weight off you and onto the bike but keeps the convenience of the backpack when you get to your destination
Similar situation for me! I usually put my backpack in the front basket. Do you feel the weight of the backpack in front affect the handling of the bike?
Yep, I also own a Camelbak Mule that's at least 15 years old and it shows no signs of wearing out. Don't buy one if you are hoping for a disposable bag so you can update frequently.
I love my Altura briefcase pannier - it's the perfect size, waterproof, and has a zip-down flap to cover the clips so it's comfortable to carry over the shoulder. I've had it for 15 years so it's very battered and doesn't look very professional anymore, I'd replace it in a second but they haven't made it for years, and I can't find anything similar :(
What’s your perfect bag for daily commuting and why? 🎒
Basket. Baskets are cool.
backpack.
because balace
trusty EVOC on my back even if i might not need it. just did my 28km through west berlin today *sweats*
greetings.
AVS luggage rack and avs panniers and AVS basket. That way i can quickly swap what i am using.
If possible, I keep luggage on the bike and this is for safety - in an accident, a backpack could stop me falling/rolling naturally and increase my chance of significant injury.
I tried panier, rear basket and backpack. Each had pros and cons. I will say it depends my mood and the weather. If the weather is too hot, the bike carry all the loads(panier or rear basket). When I’m fed up about the rattling of the panier against the rear rack, I go with the rear basket or backpack. If I need to bring with me a lot of stuff (rain jacket and trousers), I go for the panier.
This fellow would seem to be one of the most genuine and trustworthy individuals in the online cycling community. I’m pretty much an “errand-running cyclist.” I ride for fun, fitness, cafe stops, light food shopping, farmers markets visits and related outings. I use what can best be described as vertical and horizontal expandable and collapsible panniers. Whew! They are just fine for my needs and aren’t very expensive. Nothing wrong with owning two bikes and set one up for backpack travel and the other for pannier trips. Fun video and thanks for the tips. Very helpful!
I dunno, he told us to use GT85 as a lubricant once 😆
@@DarrenMansell Haha. That’s a good one!😊
I haven't the need to commute for the past 15 years, so like you, I'm pretty much an errand-running cyclist... the best 'grocery-getting' solution I've come up with is a 30cm x 30cm x 27cm plastic crate fixed to a removable rear rack that attaches to my bike with two M5 bolts and a quick-release clamp around the seatpost. I use the usual frame bag, saddle bag and bar bag for bikepacking trips or no baggage at all if I'm just out for the day...
@@OriginalTrev Sounds like you are very well equipped!
Also smug face similar to Jeremy Clarkson from Top Gear ^__^
I have always had Deuter Cycle specific back packs. They have some great features. They have a pull out elasticated rain cover from a zipped pocked and a helmet net that is also stored in a zipped pocket. The helmet net can be used for carrying anything, so it gives you extra carry space on the outside of the bag should you have a little too much to bring home on your commute.
As a recent driver-turned-bike-commuter, I really appreciate these videos. The amount of information available on the internet can be overwhelming and videos like this *really* help condense it down into a digestible amount. Thank you!
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I live in Singapore and commute 12 km in each direction, with 29-36 C and high humidity every day. If I used a backpack, I would need to take a keg of water with me; I need my back free to dissipate heat. So, I arranged things so I didn't need to cart my laptop around. I have a second (old) work one at home, and I keep a pair of shoes at the office.
So, after the GCN wind tunnel bag test, I decided to go with the large saddle and got a Topeak Backloader with the wishbone. The holder system works well; the wishbone needed some heavy-duty cable ties after 1 year because there is one weak screw in it, but other than that, it is brilliant and reduces sway a lot.
I have heaps of room for business clothes, a large towel, and a raincoat for the occasional tropical storm. I don't notice a difference in bike feel when I am using the bag or not, and the wishbone has room for two extra bottle mounts, so put some fidlocks on there for the small 600ml fidlock bottles if I go on a long weekend ride and need the extra hydration (because the bottles sit behind my thighs I don't think they make much of an areo difference either)
Oh, and I found I could get cheap Decathlon saddle bags as backups/wash-day bags that fit in the system with no issues. Then I also stow a tiny Decathlon 10L foldable backpack if I need to buy some items from the supermarket 5 minutes from home.
I must say, that I quite enjoy how after the "buyback" of GCN you guys stepped a bit away from all the marketing and sponsored BS and can bring some rational opinions again. Of course there will be sponsored videos, but I hope you can eventually get to a point where you will be able to talk also about the negatives of sponsored products as well ...
The thing about GCNs sponsors is the negatives often are very limited, they are amazing products, the thing that is often forgotten in this high end nature is the astonshing price of these sponsor products and the reality that an entry level bike does not cost £2000-£3000. Let alone a groupset or wheels...
What would actually be interesting to see is the GCN sponsored whatever, up against the Aliexpress chinese versions (some of which are good) and also something that might seem equivlent at a lower price point. The problem with these videos is it would show that the sponsor products are very marginal in their gains, and often in the case of the Aliexpress stuff inform people it is now okay and also exists in the first place. You can get electronic 12 speed wireless shifiting for £500! Does it work? Seems okay, does it work in 12 months time as a winter of graft? Possibly not, and good luck with the warrenty claim.
If you have the choice a panier is going to be more comfortable and less sweaty; while a backpack is better for taking in places with you.. so a pannier that comes off easily and turns into a backpack is the best option.
I have a set of ortlieb panniers which turn into a satchel bag
@@thomasVerne we have a Decathlon bag/panier which does this, it’s really useful.
Yes, important point is also, how long is your way walking from bike stand to your work place, shop or whatever
@@thomasVerne They are great and last forever mine look about new 7 years later, they can get covered in whatever is on the road that day however which doesn't make their carrying function as useful as you might suggest at times. Any mud, dirt, oil, or even just dirty rain can get on your clothes pretty easily.
yeah I got the Ortlieb Vario 26l, there is a 20l version but that one does not have a bottle pocket on the side, when I get to work, convert it to a backpack!
Panniers for sure. I started commuting with a messenger bag, didn't like the off-kilter weight distribution especially with what I bring in on daily basis (large thermos of coffee, towel and basic toiletries for showering, a suit and sometimes dress shoes, enough food to get me through the day). Also great if I need to pick up a few groceries during lunch break (hard to stow a half gallon of milk and six-pack of ale in a backpack). And I never have to worry about space for extra clothes - I can wear extra base layers and a jacket when it's cold, then pack them away when it's warmer on the way home. Panniers for the win.
I tend to commute at "sightseeing" or "cruising" speed, so panniers have definitely been the right choice for me. I usually go to the gym or super market on the way home, so always carrying a bit extra weight
kay, I’ve always scratched my head about the obsession around the kislux book totes and their practicality, but this one is adorable!! Congratulations
You can get a convertible pannier/backpack from Two Wheel Gear, I carry it on my back rack when traveling and I can put it on my back when walking around.
I have a cheap pannier padlocked to bike's rack (just leave it on when parked) and put my backpack in that. Happy to lose a bit of aero for clear back with no weight on it. if i get bigger shopping, sometimes on way back from work, heavy stuff goes in backpack on me back, bigger light stuff in bag for life in pannier.
Very in depth analysis of backpack vs panniers. My preference has always been a backpack strapped to the back rack. No stress on my back and more aerodynamic than panniers. I even do this for touring with a 40 liter backpack. I enjoy these analysis videos. Keep up the great work.
I have a similar setup for my commute. put my backpack in a small rear basket on top of my rear rack and strap it in. I use a full backpack all day at work.
Thank you for your comment! Certainly, your solution is another option to consider, as long as you don’t mind securing the backpack each time is a great idea
Depends on the bike also for me. Touring bike is heavier and slower anyway, so I use paniers, esp. for longer tours or larger loads. For commuting on my roadbike I much prefer my backpack because it does not change how the bike handles. Added bonus of wearing a backpack: may protect your back in an accident. Definitely helped me when hit by a car while rolling over their hood. Bruised knee and ribs but otherwise fine. And like yours, mine also refuses to die :D still using the more than 10 years later ...
The major distinction should be whether the extra weight is carried on the rider's body directly or on the bike frame. The backpack is in the first category vs. pannier, saddle bag or handlebar bag for the second. The reason the bicycle's efficiency is that the combined weight of the rider, bike and baggage is not supported by the rider. The only times this weight becomes part of the motive effort are: climbing and accelerating. This isn't true when the baggage is supported by the body. In addition to propelling while climbing or accelerating, the rider must continually support the backpack's weight. This extra effort was not recorded in the wind tunnel test because that test did not measure the rider's total expended energy.
There are two other advantages, not related to riding efficiency, for carrying baggage directly on the bike.
First, maximum braking force is limited by position of the center of mass (CM) of the bike and rider. The further back the CM relative its height off the ground, the greater the maximum braking force. That's why a rider should straight arm and push back on the saddle during a panic stop. Rear carried weight, e.g. rear panniers or saddle bag, will move the CM backward. Low rider front panniers that move the CM lower, will also increase the maximum braking force. Backpacks will raise the CM and handlebar bags will move the CM forward and reduce the maximum braking force.
Second, what's in a backpack may violently come in contact the with the rider during a fall or collision. It's likely that "soft" items in the backpack will become sharp projectiles puncturing the rider's skin under these conditions. That won't happen with panniers and other bags that are firmly attached to the bicycle frame.
Over the last 8 years of bike commuting I diversified:
- a 1L saddle-bag for essentials (tools, spare inner tube, rain jacket, super-thin gloves)
- a 4L bag that clicks on my rack, for the once-a-week clothes run; this is pretty great because the bulk of it is behind me and not acting as an aerobrake in the wind like a pannier. I guess a top-tube frame bag would work just as well
- a big 25L pannier that doubles as a backpack (Arkel Bug) for grocery shopping
But then I hauled my old company desktop PC home for working at home, and keep the laptop at work, so I don't have to lug a computer around every day.
For in the city a pannier with a shoulder strap for sure. The Ortlieb, or similar, mounts solidly clip around the rack bar and have a quick release strap so it doesn't add any time to remove it and take it with you after locking up like the old style bags. And off the bike the shoulder strap it turns into a tote.
I love panniers for carrying groceries. Handle bar bag for anything I might need to grab while in motion.
i started with a rear basket for groceries, but didn't like where it sat, and swapped to panniers. also found them easier to balance than the basket, and still have the front basket for overflow.
Front flower basket. It defiantly not the quickest option, yet I find my competitors easy to overtake. For when they look back, they must pull over to keep from falling over in laughter.
The front basket is also amazing for Reverse Trick or Treating.
Ride around the neighborhood on Halloween, and throw candy at children from the basket.
Was my pandemic-safe Halloween solution and it was *amazing* good fun.
Panniers for me. I use Ortleibs which I bought in the 1990s. Waterproof, simple design. One for commuting, two or more for trips. Have used backpacks and a courier bag when that was the fashion. Not as comfortable
I occy strap my back pack to the rear rack, it has worked well for me.
My mom bought one kislux and she loves it. It had been there for over 10 years when she went out with it.
I feel like you guys completely forgot about domestiques they are the absolute best.
Lovely collection! I bought my first LV when I was 25 and I only used that bag a few times, haha. Also, love your clutch! I have an Eva clutch in the DE print and love the little chain. But I donât want to spend so much money on it now, I have been kislux buying the bag I want, it is as good as LV and is one of my favorite things. Durability
I used to use a rucksack, then switched to a pannier.
The reason is the heavy laptop for home office and shopping on the way home is a lot more relaxed.
Nothing simpler than just drop the groceries bag inside the pannier bag and forget about it
HEY kislux I have been watching you for years and im so proud of where you have made it! I love you so much! Also thanks for making my day
A big sling bag , or courrier bag, is what a lot of delivery guys are using.
A smaller one is a cooler alternative for commuting than backpacks, adjusted just the right lenght its an instant arsesaver! Downside is they can move a lot and not be safe, altough good ones have a second small strap to prevent this, cheers!
I use a Fluorescent dry backpack probably the most versatile 👍
I have a wire basket ziptied to a regular back rack.
I keep a small wool blanket folded on the bottom of the basket. You use the blanket to cover or wrap around your items to keep them in the basket and not bumping into each other.
The blanket can also be used as a seat or wrapped around you to keep you warm.
I also have a handlebar bag to hold wallet, phone, keys, snack, etc.
When Covid made working from home a possibility suddenly I fit a monitor in my pannier for the ride home. When the weather is clear I ride my fast bike with a backpack. When it gets rougher I appreciate the waterproof panniers.
For a moment, I thought you had installed a screen on your bike 🤣, but you’re right-the solution to not having to choose is often simply to have both and pick the one that best suits the particular situation of the day 👏
The Arkel Rollpacker rear bag gives you most of the advantages of all options: aerodynamics similar to a saddle pack, capacity similar to a pannier/backpack, mountable on most road bikes, reflective, no sweat.
An oversized musette with a retaining cross strap, if you can manage the lack of space. Cotton is a sweat sponge so something from synthetics is ideal. I used a dry bag or a plastic bag to keep everything safe from moisture.
I have a pannier that also works as a backpack.
Makes carrying it off the bike much easier!
(you can tell I am not the type to not carry a bunch of stuff in my pack)
I've been using the same backpack for nearly 20 years. It has a vent space, a hidden waterproof cover and can been extended to carry a bit more. Goes through the wash a few times and is exposed to the sun and heat in Australia but still looks near new.
It's a BlackWolf Titanium 35 and is completely indestructible. Amazing quality.
I use a Topeak cycling bag that has thin panniers but also a hard-sided bag with a strap. Cuts down on resistance; holds loads including shoes, clothes, and my laptop; and easy to carry to our showers or even into the office (though I have a locker in the shower room). Best of both worlds. I used a backpack for a while but my back always got so sweaty - sweatier than the rest of me so it was clearly sapping water from me. Not good on a 13.7 mile commute when I’m pushing myself.
Very important: various pockets for different items instead of one big bag where everything gets mixed up in one pocket
That doesn’t count if all you’re carrying is salad
@@gcn unless you want to separate the salad from the cucumber from the carrots from the tomatoes from the you-know-the-drill
I prefer any additional weight to be attached to my body. My go to winter backpack is a lightweight runners pack with a stonking huge retro reflective panel.
ow you handle your commuting can change completely from winter to summer, It’s harder to get a sweaty back in the snow 🥶
I always love the insights you bring to commuting by bike, Simon. I really like the content you produce, so thanks for that.
I commute 3,000 km per year, and in all weather, so how best to carry stuff is a big issue for me. I'm on my second Proviz Reflect 360. It's fantastic for safety (you can see it a mile off) and a decent size (30 litres), but it's not waterproof and I'm fed up of stuffing things into plastic bags. As Simon says, plastic bags are light an do the job, but it's hard to look professional when you start unloading stuff at the workplace. I've bought an Ortlieb Messenger Bag but have yet to use it. Being 39 litres, there should be room for a pair of shoes as well as a change of clothing. I think that sweaty back syndrome is unavoidable with backpacks - but backpacks are still my preferred option.
I have used paniers, but the handling is horrible with them on and then there's the faff of getting them on and off the bike.
I prefer my Sunlite, trunk-style bag, that goes on top of my rear rack. It carries everything that I need for a normal ride. Basic tools, patch kit and tube, flip-flops, a nylon rain jacket and cable lock. Plus, I carry my wallet and phone in it, as well. I have older style, 'open' racks, so I got a Blackburn Rackmate to provide a platform and my bag attaches to the rack through slots in the Rackmate. I have a larger version on my tandem. I rode to college with a backpack, back in the late 70's and early 80's, but rarely any other time.
Perception is everything, I remember saving up for my first LV and some coworkers automatically thought it was fake because I was a young black girl. At that point I really stopped caring what people's opinions were, people will always have their opinions based on how you look. After this I shopped in kislux . If you drive a Bentley and get out of the car with a fake Hermes, no one will question you.
I'm a huge fan of the RackTime system. Super easy to attach and remove bags when you get to your destination and they sell an adapter to convert anything you can think of to work with their racks. I've even converted a milk crate for shopping trips.
With a dowel and some rope I can clamp any backpack securely to my pannier rack, and have been doing so for years. The trick is to manage any loose strap ends with some Velcro so they don't hit the spokes .
I like to be prepared for everything, so panniers definitely.
Are you prepared for an apocalypse?
I, like Simon, have ridden my road bike to work with the same backpack for at least the last 10 years. Although it must be said that my bag is a fair bit cleaner than his. 😂I do also have a gravel bike with pannier bags for shopping runs or multi-day bike rides with my wife who needs more space for shoes and cosmetics than I do. I love the channel and have been a proud supporter since discovering you a few years back. Thanks for the great content as well as the hard work.
I always carry a back pack, though I am on a road bike. Mine holds the waterproof cover in a compartment at the bottom of the bag. Because I cycle in humid Sydney mine does have that gauze which is only attached at top and bottom of the bag. It is effective for airflow was well as sweat management. Spend a little more on the bag and they do last. The one other thing I would suggest is, I have a tail light attached to the back of the bag which sits more at eye level for motorists. One of my neighbours even commented on the effectiveness of it to me.
I like my roll top backpack. Waterproof, light weight, fits my lunch and an extra set of clothes and rolls down when I don't have much to carry. I ripped it going under a fallen tree about a year ago and shoe goo'd a reflective strip over the rip, still going strong.
As a commuter doing thousands of miles per year just to work and back ... milk crates on a front and rear rack. I still have rear panniers too, and between 2 milk crates and the panniers I can fit a weeks worth of food on my bike to go grocery shopping and rarely need to drive my car to pick up anything.
I also carry a hydration pack on my back with 3 liters of water so I can just sip as I ride... but that is just in the summer, and I am in FL, so I'm biking to work in 95-105 F (35-40.5C) and need to keep hydrated as I sweat buckets on my 11.6 mile (18.7k) commute
I’ve ridden with all different kinds of bags for commuting since the pandemic. I recently just sold my bike with the panniers I find my canyon grail with a large handlebar bag and waterproof backpack from Ortlieb does the trick. But I don’t have to worry about a sweaty back as my office has a private gym with showers. This set up is just faster I lost over 1mph average with the panniers and trunk bag.
For me Panniers are the best solution. Backpacks/courier bags cause me shoulder pain and make me sweat. Panniers carry more and carry the weight on the bike as you mentioned. The right bike with dedicated racks are probably better for commuting in any event. I have used both and prefer panniers.
3:55 my bike is 15.3kg i dont particularly want extra weight and its nasty to ride uphill but i still enjoy them
I've got a Brompton so my bag fits on the front bar of the bike 😍😍😍
I leave my laptop at work and use a small over the shoulder sling bag that sits in front to carry my smartphone, keys, etc. On the bike you only have the strap on your back and the bag itself hangs down a bit leaving plenty of air between the bag and your front torso. That or an old school linen sports/swimming bag are my top ones.
When I used to cycle to work I decided on a Ortleib handlebar bag, and a standard road saddle bag, it had enough space for shoes clothes and some lunch. Not big enough for a laptop but you could fit a tablet in it, and while I don't know how aero it was, because it broke the wind in front of my body I don't think it was as bad as it seems at first sight, and on the cold days it also blocked some of the cold wind from your body. For any biggest loads I would go with panniers, not really a fan of a backpack unless it is under a couple of miles and even then it could get sweaty on a hot day.
I carry quite light, but I do have a laptop, I have tried several backpacks but always find them too sweaty, so my go-to is a messenger bag. It sits lower on my back which addresses the sweat issue and with a secondary strap under my left arm it is very secure on my gravel/track/road commute. I was surprised messenger bags did not get a mention in this video.
I use a messenger bag at the moment. It is less sweaty than my backpack, but less balanced. The weather has been warmer recently.
I also use the plastic bag waterproofing option, usually with a clip of some kind to close it tight. Just make sure the bag is in good condition.
I flip flop between the comfort and non-sweatiness of panniers, and the serene absence of panniers rattling on a rack when i use a backpack (my commute is through a forest)
I was gifted a backpack with a mesh frame that gives an airgap on your back, it was by Osprey. Probably the similar model is the synchro. Does a good job.
I bought my messenger bag in 1997. Aside from one of the latches snapping on one side, I still use it (used it yesterday). It cost me £25 at the time and I feel I have had value for money so far.
I used a frame bag and if I had to carry more a back pack strapped on top of a rack, tucked away nice and aero. There is a massive range of bike bag options, for my shopping bike I had 9" rise BMX bars on a 90's MTB and that left room to sling a back pack over the cross bar. With that set up tail winds were fantastic, head winds not so much
Over 50 years of different types of riding, I've had numerous racks, panniers, and rucksacks. Only did one cycle touring holiday, with about ten others in 1980, I had Karrimor panniers front and rear. We used Youth Hostels and only about 40 miles per day. I was the only strong cyclist, one chap had been a cycle tourer, a couple of others had drop handlebar bikes they used to commute in London - those three had 5-speed deraileurs, the rest had 3-gear max bikes - hard work for Peak District! I carried spares, tools, my stuff, and a lot of theirs. Karrimor kit died and replaced by Altura rear (large pair and small pair). Haven't needed or used front panniers for 40 years.
I still have the Altura panniers but hardly use them. Topeak slide-on rack and bag works well but the version with fold out side panniers proved cumbersome and I gave it away - the smaller version with separate small Altura side panniers (if needed) works best. Today, I used it and a small rucksack on Orbea 7-speed town bike for the short ride to daughter's to take 8-month old granddaughter for a walk in her buggy - needed waterproofs.
I still have an Altura suitcase and their briefcase. I would ride from East End London 20+ miles each way to town halls for meetings each month. The suitcase could take a suit with tie and shirt etc, shoes, and wash gear so I'd arrive, shower and attend meeting as smartest dressed person in the room - vs those who drove or used public transport who often had a long walk from station to venue. Meetings down south, eg Croydon, with the tram were a bit awkward to avoid slipping on the tram rails. The briefcase took the laptop (obviously) and associated cables and papers for the meetings. Haven't seen those two excellent products on sale for maybe 25 years.
One more thing: I now have a Topeak top tube bag on my 2018 Roubaix (modified stem and bars to get lower and longer). The bag was an offer I couldn't refuse from Halfords. Looks ugly but is almost perfect for the job. I'm 69 and had a heart attack in 2020 with stent fitted. I pack:
pills (usually just the evening's statin unless I go out in early morning when I carry the full set);
charging plug & cables for phone, headphones, and Garmin watch (just hospital wards tend not to have any);
charging block (wife insists I remain contactable);
hearing aids and batteries;
bone conducting headphones to take calls and get directions from smart phone.
The bike might be light and more aero than when I got it but this old man's accoutrements less so.
One more argument: the pannier is more flexible for unplanned things, like your partner asking to bring a watermelon from the supermarket on the way home or your boss asking you to take a sample device to a customer visit next day which you need to carry home first.
For commuting convenience (and that includes maintenance time as well) had been my biggest factor over the last 3 decades.
Arguing you would be faster with a road bike and aerodynamic backpack for commuting is probably lying to yourself if you include the time you need to pump up your tires (less often needed on big tubes/tires), charge the batteries, change clothes (especially if you go with Lycra and/or without mudguards), cleaning bike in salty winter conditions below freezing point, maintaining chain, ... but of course depends on distance, depends on weather conditions in your region, depends on if you are riding more in a city or more outside on country roads and so on.
Are you suggesting that Si doesn't have a wardrobe with fresh attire and a bicyle valet where he works??
Or you go to the store for tea, then realize hams are on sale and you need to haul one home. Happened to me more than once.
@@OriginalTrev I am suggesting that riding faster with the need to take a shower and changing clothes might take more time in total than riding slower without the need for a shower and changing clothes ... so riding faster doesn't necessarily include being faster for starting your job.
And, not everyone is in the position like Si that his workplace offers support for bike riders and parking spots.
You can stick panier racks on any bike, if you go with an Ortlieb quick rack ($$) or a Tailfin rack ($$$), there may be other options as well.
I agree about the plastic bags for my office clothes and papers, and I also use basic zip-loc bags for keeping small stuff (phone, wallet, etc.) dry.
I tried panniers once but sold them after a few months; I just hated the effect they had on the bike's handling and I disliked the extra steps taking the bags off the rack and reinstalling every time I stopped off somewhere and had to lock up on the street.
Finally, I have never gotten along with a backpack on my bikes. The top of the bag hits my helmet (this is worse if you ride more low and aero imo). The rolltop ones like my Ortliebs block my view when checking over my shoulders. And to access contents I need to stop and pull over and remove the bag, which is usually easier if I climb off the the bike completely.
For this reason, I keep going back to my old school messenger bags. They ride lower on your shoulders, giving you a clear view. You can easily swing the bag around (even while riding) to retrieve stuff. The only disadvantage imo is the weight is positioned asymmetrically on your back, hung on one shoulder, vs. the backpack's big plus of load distributed centrally on your back to both shoulders and stabilized by a chest strap and waist belt if needed. But I have found if you don't overload a messenger bag with too much weight and use the main and cross straps properly, the weight is very manageable on one shoulder.
Reflective strips are great but you can also just buy reflective tape and put some on your bag (and your bike!). I always like having a tab or loop to attach a blinkie to my bags in winter; amazingly, my Ortlieb messenger bags (which are otherwise great bike-specific bags) omit these essential features.
Pretty sensible advice here. I've been commuting to work for 20 years now. For a long time, I used panniers, even though they completely destroy any semblance of performance on a bicycle. They are extremely practical and totally unexciting, kind of a bicycling equivalent of a utility van. Now I forgo a rack entirely and just use an Ortlieb waterproof backpack, and that seems to work nearly all the time, even for trips to the grocery store.
For longer, overnight trips (i.e., credit card touring), I use a (very expensive) Tailfin Aeropack. It holds a decent amount of stuff, you can mount it directly to the thru-axle, and doesn't mess up the bike handling nearly as much as panniers.
I still agree with Si that if you're doing serious touring or bikepacking, or just carrying 10kg of tools or something, panniers are definitely the best choice. I hate those bikepacking sausage bags; I tried them on a short trip once and found them to be mostly useless.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I’m sure many will find your opinion useful.
Bought a rear rack pannier, a medium sized fruit basket/crate(i guess), then strap it with a plastic rope, a low $ solution but worked pretty well
Aw, Queens Park.
It's a really good point about how long these last, I've had my bags so long I don't even remember how or where I got them. Probably should have bee less concerned about cost as a result.
Basically, the panniers for my shopping trips, backpack most other times.
For the past 8 years or so I’ve been using an ultra-sil sea to summit dry sack. Packs down to half a jersey pocket, is water proof, and at 22L holds a week’s worth of work clothes (shoes stay at work) and laptop if required. No padding but air acts as cushioning and was $30 AUD from memory. No compartments though.
Getting a panier style bug for my bike commute (dutch bike) has been the best descision ever. No more sweaty back and with the quick release system there is no more hassle with strapping things down. I hook it in when i leave and just pull on the release leaver strap an i've got the bag in my hands and can just leave. My panier was just 45 € it fits evrything i need with a seprate laptop pouch which velcros to the inside of the bag. So i can also remove it if I don't need the laptop And I can get a pretty sizeable grocery shop in there, even leaving the top open if necessarry. I decided against a 3-in-1 function as I never need it as a backpack, the bag has a shoulderstrap which is sufficient if I need to carry it when it is heavy. Otherwise it has a normal handle which is totally fine when just carrying it for a minute or 2. At the front there is a pouch with a zipper for quick access items. The bag is completely waterproof. So not woories at all.
Get a panier when you're a normal commuter. Even when overloaded with a big shop wondering if the quick release mechanism will break off due to weight, I have never noticed if the bag was there or not, no change except when putting the bike on it's stand ;)
My Best bag to commuting is Camelback Hawk Commute or Camelback mule Commute. I habe the first option.
My go-to is a frame bag. areo but not on your back.
I have a pannier backpack, great for multi modal commuting.
I started with a backpack, but as mentioned the problem is sweat - although of breathable mesh. For my Kickbike the best solution was to sew a tiny pair of panniers, which fit perfect on the front rack.
Tailfins are amazing. They are light and dont move at all. If you are cycle touring it's a no brainer.
I love my Tailfin. Laptop, gym shoes, clothing, lunch on a road bike.
You cant give a bag a 10/10 but i can give this video a 10/10!
Bags are a case of the right tool for the job. Depending on what im doing i ride with a backpack, panniers or a trunk bag. The only bag i always have on my bike is a small top tube bag i made to hold my tools, pump and spare tube because i always what those with me. (Also shout out for Arkel bags, fantastic!)
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God job Siborg1!!! Backpacks are HIVE approved for 80% of trips. A bikerack on the hybrid with para cord solve larger issues.
on my vintage commuter peugeot, a milk crate on my rear rack has served me very very well :p
How many cartons of milk can you carry at once? 😮
I find that reflective markings don't work, best to use a bright rear light either attached to the bag or your bike. Usually the reflective areas on bags are not big enough to see from a distance. I ride a lot through the city in lower light conditions and I've seen plenty of bags on riders in front of me that I don't notice until I get closer to them, same goes for cheaper low light bike lights. But I understand that Si has to mention a safety feature.
It doesn’t help that many bags only come in black. Top marks to those companies providing higher visibility options.
You need a old school Caradice for your fancy road bike. Used a Nelson Long Flap on my rackless road bike for years until I had to start schlepping a laptop around.
Yes! I used a Carradice Barley for years. Just about room for clothes, lunch box, spare tube, etc. I was able to keep bulky stuff like shoes and a towel in a locker at work, but could always lash extra stuff to the top of the bag when necessary. The need to carry a laptop forced me to use a pannier for the last couple of years too. Nothing wrong with panniers really, but I’d rather be using the lightweight bike rather than the one with the rack.
The ortlieb vario ps 26 liter, is just so good
like yourself I have a 15L DHB Slice. Pretty much does it all. Not waterproof is the downside but again I use a plastic bag if required.
Yes for Dutch parents who cycle to their job and on the way back pick up the kids from school and buy groceries at the supermarket a small backpack works best. Absolutely.
I use a mini borealis backpack. My commute isn't terribly far but the wind can brutal. The mini is enough to hold my work clothes and extras but small enough to not be a sail on my back.
I have 7km each way every day on my ebike. I use some good ol thrift store ortlieb paniers, usually only one. I have no other way of transport so they also allow me to grocery shop on my way back from work. Brilliant for me
very informative thanks a lot
A backpack has probably saved my life on 2 occasions during accidents where its absorbed the impact
Anything over 20 mins, and you want a pannier.
My commuting setup always includes the rear rack, just because I enjoy long commutes with a shower at the end. I do leave stuff at the office where possible, but work issued me with a behemoth of a laptop and putting it on my back for more than 20 mins isn't viable.
When doing my short route (with a longer car component), I do usually plump for backpack. Mine hasn't lasted quite as long as that 😅
Back in 1986, a 16 year old me would cycle the uphill 4 mile route to college. Sprinting in 15 mins …. Twice a day. I had panniers for college folders. And I have no idea how much power and twist stress I was applying, but I snapped the back axel inside the rear hub not once but twice…
for sure that exercise helped you get into shape
@@gcn you’re telling me!
I prefer Panier, a little more space, no weight on the back. A High viz reflector. Easy to carry, waterproof. I also leave my tools inside the bag
I use both a backpack and the same model pannier shown in this video, I use the pannier to keep all of my rain gear and lock and gloves and other bike stuff so I don't have to bring in inside in my backpack
Just be careful with the musty smell 😵💫or?
Any of the overboard bags. By far the best waterproof bag out there. Will put up with rain and snow and is extremely hard-wearing.
If you have a rack, include a couple of bungy cords if you're likely to pick up something too big to go in the rack top bag
I ride a gravel bike and use panniers, a rack top bag, and a back pack. As a music teacher I need to carry a Saxophone, Clarinet, Flute, laptop, lunch, a change of clothes and shoes to three different workplaces per week. It would have been so much easier to teach maths at just one school!
That background looks like Queen Square, in Bristol!
Could be, but we’ll never know!
If you have a rack, i like just taking a backpack and strapping it to the shelf of the rack. No sweaty back, and you can take it off and wear it.
basket on top of a rear rack. can hold a ton of weight and stays in the slip stream of the rider.
I’ll choose to put my backpack in the front rack you have there 👀
I commuted for a while with a backpack but then I got a set of panniers that fit my laptop and I vowed to never go back. That said tho, one of my other bikes has a front basket that actually fits my backpack and it works surprisingly well so that can be another option that gets the weight off you and onto the bike but keeps the convenience of the backpack when you get to your destination
Similar situation for me!
I usually put my backpack in the front basket.
Do you feel the weight of the backpack in front affect the handling of the bike?
Yep, I also own a Camelbak Mule that's at least 15 years old and it shows no signs of wearing out. Don't buy one if you are hoping for a disposable bag so you can update frequently.
I love my Altura briefcase pannier - it's the perfect size, waterproof, and has a zip-down flap to cover the clips so it's comfortable to carry over the shoulder. I've had it for 15 years so it's very battered and doesn't look very professional anymore, I'd replace it in a second but they haven't made it for years, and I can't find anything similar :(
Rear basket + backpack. Put backpack in basket if not needed for less sweatier back.