The pilots waiting in queue were a patient bunch. But after a little while they were trying to resolve the issue themselves. Can't really blame them for that.
Kratos The name of the game is CONTROL, the controller tried, That is when other aircraft jumped in trying to fix the problem. Stop operations to that runway, get a vehicle down the rwy to Ces 506, and have them follow it off to the ramp.
NNT Flow They weren’t incompetent. Their radio was broken and they had no way of knowing except that they were not getting replies from the tower. They couln’t know that it was transmitting static over the frequency.
Just FYI, the transmission that the subtitles didn't catch much should be a helicopter inbound from Sha Lo Wan - it is most likely a helicopter of Government Flying Service (similar to Coast Guard) doing a VFR flight. The names spoken are both real places and also points of reference and reporting points for helicopter VFR traffic.
The helicopter at 1:56 that ATC speak to is the Government Flying Service, doing a “CaseVac” - sending patients in remote areas of HK to the nearest hospital. If you are familiar with HK you probably will hear “Tai O” during the transmission.
elgroxo Nothing for HKG, bizjets, freighters and GA operate from the southern apron and its intense. Compound that with the fact its CX, KA HKE and HKAs departure being on their terminal side and things getbusy. Brilliant controllers though, HKCAD mainly recruit experienced Aussies inline with CX etc so it works well.
elgroxo yes! hkia is super active at night. there have been a few times where the plane i was in had to queue for about 30mins before takeoff, and while on the takeoff roll, you could see 10+ planes waiting to line up on the runway and takeoff. so cool.
I don't think HKIA has marshal vehicles... I've never seen one... The last time I saw a car close to a plane in HKIA it was when a car drove right into the engine of a Dragon a330. No-one died thankfully.
This can and does happen a lot more that you may think. Stuck mike either at the Captain Fist officer or one of the flight deck observer positions. there are also relays in the avionics bay that can fail.
grrrrr idk why but this pissed me off..... i know its no ones fault but just hearing the coltroller call ces506 over and over again with no response and with them holding short of the runway blocking the 10 or more other planes waiting to takeoff at a busy airport like hong kong just got to me if i was that controller it would have been tough for me to keep my shit together.
RoaringSkiesStudios NO! RKS, if you were the controller, you would have kept your cool, made quick definite decisions, and rapidly searched for a solution. That is how it is done. 1. Shutdown the runway, get a follow me vehicle, to haul ass down the runway and get china air to follow it off to the ramp.
Ruben Villanueva I think they can still take off using J2? That’s what J2 is built for, to be used when J1 is blocked. They only need to close the runway when the car arrives to lead CES506 onto 07R then J3, after CES506 has vacated the runway they can resume normal operations as CES506 will be using taxiway J.
That ?? 65 is a Government Flying Service helicopter, possibly finishing a mission somewhere in HK and waiting at Sha Lo Wan (a holding point), waiting for inbound to GFS headquarters (which is very close to RWY 07R).
casevac 65 is the callsign for government flying service, the tower is talking to a helicopter. The helicopter actually said at about 1:58 : we are at "Sha lo wan" flying close to the ground to "Tai O" Those location are not way points on the chart, just the name of a place
@@VASAviation Since the Government Flying Service helicopter is using CASEVAC callsign, it is probably flying for an air ambulance service, which is common in Hong Kong. There are a lot of outlying islands in Hong Kong without road connection, or too far for road transport to the hospital. In this case the emergency service would request a helicopter (or in some cases, marine police launch) to transport the patient to the hospital.
You have backup frequencies and alternative frequencies but unfortunately you can't necessarily communicate to other planes to switch to the new frequency. Some planes might not hear the transmission and some will be stuck on the freq with the stuck mic.
Hmm. It's standard protocol to switch frequencies immediately, if they are blocked. At least in the military. There are always at least 3 different freq's for every hour of the day assigned.
Is there anything a captain could do if they realise they're not receiving the instructions from the tower over the radio - it's all very well saying they should have realised but you don't exactly want an aircraft taxiing down the runway back to the apron on their own initiative. Surely the only thing they could do was try to fix the radios, wait for a marshalling vehicle to come out to them (or I suppose try and phone the tower if that's possible)
When you screw up at HKIA, you screwed up big time. Hong Kong is one of the most efficient and international airports in the world and any delay can have bad consequences for not just airlines, but cargo as well (hong kong is the world's biggest freight airport) I used to live there for 11 years and go back every summer, it is an amazing airport and the airlines are... wow!
they had no other way to go .. they had to enter the runway to clear the blockage for the other planes. It was just unfortunate that the controller just had them enter the runway at first and not taxi down the runway immediately.
I had that happen to me. For 40 mins. As soon as I'm done talking the mic would freeze and u will not know. ATC told me not to key in and u r cleared to land once it freed up. Lol.
Not really. There's only one short recording when it was taxiing and contacting radar. The accident started happening a bit later and this wasn't recorded. There's some recordings of ATCs trying to find the aircraft asking other flights to check the area of crash though
VASAviation - yes ive enjoyed it! You have produced 2 or videos of HKIA already! It would be great if we can know more about it! Just when you have time and if you'd like to! Thanks for your great work
Im a tad late, but an official (probably) radio check response (besides loud and clear or other descriptors) is to say two numbers up to 5 (such as 5 5 which means loud and clear). Clearly some adjustment was done by the pilots (only one figure was stated) but it got the message across.
Except that I heard the proposed direction of runway makes airline leave HKG ATC control as soon as it takes off. While the airport manager announced he can have a deal with corresponding China ATC, I wonder what would it work.
They don't have much of a choice. Lantou Island is directly to the south with mountain ranges as tall as 1000m, with more on the mainland not far away from the airfield. And let's not forget Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau Bridge to the west as well. The three runways would be used in mixed configuration instead of independent, so it's very similar to what they do now.
Why did tower not just make China Eastern 506 Vacate when they started blocking the frequency. I mean that or putting them on a separate freq. would seem smartest, they were blocking it for a good amount of time...
I went to Hong Kong in Nov and Jan. They only have 1 runway for take off. The lower buildings of the map are cargo terminals and note that their aircraft also use that same runway for take off. And the gaps between take offs are much longer than @ my base of SFO. I'm just a regular Joe w/no aviation connection, so forgive me if I'm wrong.
So the easiest way I can explain is this: on a phone there is more than one "channel" which means that if you and your friend are talking on the phone you can interrupt each other. On the radio though you only have one channel which means that only one person can talk at a time. You literally cannot hear if someone is talking when you are talking. That is why pilots (and us) will hear that loud noise and they will say "blocked" when something like this happens to let all the people involved know that no one could hear them.
First, i must give the ATC credit for their patience. But, why screw around with a NORDO aircraft for such a long a time? Why did they not use the light gun signals and have China aircraft taxi back to their starting point? Then, send out a Follow ME vehicle,, and make visual contact with the crew to follow them off the runway! Why did they not attempt contact via other means? The VOR (most of them have a voice feature); it would override the VOR ID, they could then hear an instruction to vacate the runway and return to the ramp. A mishandled situation!
Because light gun signals are not for taxi instructions, pilots don't monitor VOR voice frequencies (almost all modern aircraft are RNAV anyway), and follow me trucks can take 20 minutes or more to get if they're not usually used. (I'm a controller).
Light signals would be such a balls up. The tower is 1.5 miles away, and sure as hell those guys wouldn't be looking at it. And what about other aircraft? All of them were having difficulty on that frequency. What if they misinterpreted light signals as being for them? kewkabe is right, a follow me would take ages, and how would it get down there? That part of the problem. It's super congested on J and H for departures from J1 and J2 in HKG. There isn't normally even space to vacate from J3. The follow me would have to come down the runway, blocking departures for a long time - and that's notwithstanding approaches by cargo aircraft to 07R and the time it would take to organise a car to get down there. And I can confirm, nobody listens to VOR voice. Now you do normally have 1. a mobile phone, and 2. a satcom. Both of those would be clear of interference and worth a go. Satcom normally has contact details for very specific locations such as control towers. Those options would have to be pilot prompted and difficult to pull off when you're near a runway with only two crew. I can't see what else anyone could have done, apart from try to get them on a different frequency earlier.
I'm in the USA and light guns simply aren't used anymore, especially with airliners. Hong Kong is modern and busy enough so it's probably the same. Flashing a blinking white light at them would have zero effect on anything.
kewkabe nice to hear from a fellow colleague. A flashing White light, from a light gun signal, to an aircraft on the ground, means return to starting point on the airport, ie, back to the gate. It is used, as all the other light gun signals, controllers as well as pilots should know them. Twenty minutes for a vehicle to drive down a runway? In what airport was this?
kewkabe yes, pilots do not monitor VOR frequencies, but when you have a NORDO situation you try all possible means of communications, pilots know this. Do pilots monitor 121.5 VHF?, No, but when they lose communication, they go to it. Also, a pilot may choose to utilize RNAV, but VOR are still utilized for navigation, are they not? I was a SATCO, in both RADAR APPROACH CONTROL AND CONTROL TOWER Facilities, though now now retired. I have seen similar situations that were handled swiftly.
Radio communications for aircraft use VHF and to use it you broadcast to everybody on that frequency as it's a shared medium. Only 1 station can transmit at any one time because of the way the signal is transmitted. If 2 stations transmit at the same time, you tend to get a lot of interference as the receiver struggles to decode the signal as the 2 transmissions overlap each other. What can happen occasionally is that the Push To Talk button on the control column or the sidestick may break or get stuck and you can end up inadvertently transmitting after you release the button. Because only one station can transmit at any one time, this prevents the frequency being used for others to use it as the transmission may not be received clearly by the intended recipient due to the interference. And because you cannot transmit and receive at the same time, the pilots may not have heard that there was any interference - they may have simply heard the Tower South frequency go unusually quiet given how busy the runway was, which would have tipped them off that something was wrong with their radio.
Why I always heard the tower call Hong Kong Departure as 123 8 point 8 btw the Cantonese slang is kinda wired tho, as I don't usually heard that tone at Hong Kong
Hello Guys sometimes we have a stuck mike, the push to talk button, gets stuck in the transmit position. This usually blocks everyone out, you can only hear the pilot speaking, and he does not know that he is causing the problem. Many, funny and embarrassing things have ben said over an open stuck mike! You also hear a loud squelching sound, those are the other pilots or ATC trying to call.
@Ruben Villanueva -- What a stupid system! Are they even trying to find a better solution or are they actually satisfied with this shit? Seriously, even a Discord server would be more efficient lol
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That precise moment when you are doing something wrong but aren't aware of it... :$
Hey, do you have recordings of Kim Jong Un's personal plane Landing in Incheon for the olympics?
That was so frustrating. I don't know about other stations, but in KMIA, they'll send out an escort truck to taxi them back or out of the way.
cordobajvr You got that right! , that follow me vehicle would have been out there pronto!
VASAviation - Typical Chinese.
What was the issue?
The Tower Controller kept his cool the entire time. Very professional, hats off to him!
The ATC must be silently 'greeting the pilot's mother'.
Cantonese speakers will know what I mean.
Dllm lolll
Bruh
@@antyoof9508 what bruhhhh
DKLM or DLLM XDDD
Lmao
The pilots waiting in queue were a patient bunch. But after a little while they were trying to resolve the issue themselves. Can't really blame them for that.
Kratos The name of the game is CONTROL, the controller tried, That is when other aircraft jumped in trying to fix the problem. Stop operations to that runway, get a vehicle down the rwy to Ces 506, and have them follow it off to the ramp.
Shouldn't be a pilot.
NNT Flow They weren’t incompetent. Their radio was broken and they had no way of knowing except that they were not getting replies from the tower. They couln’t know that it was transmitting static over the frequency.
I like these flying asterisks. Makes it easier to visualize every aircraft. Thanks VASAVIATION for making these videos! :)
Thank you for watching.
It's amazing tech behind these flying asterisks. I would've thought they'd fly like a heli
@@Redbikemaster shuriken
@@WillCrawford0 really big ones
And they had to taxi pass the long ass queue that they held up, the captain must be burning with embarrassment the entire way back to the terminal.
j ERVINE
He was probably burning hot he had an equipment problem with the plane.
He probably was thinking "China number one!"
Real walk of shame, that one!
Yeah right, like everyone cares soo much
As a Chinese I can tell you the pilot absolutely won't have shame on his face. They do even know what shame is. They are losers.
A reminder of how valuable operational communications systems are before a disaster happens...
My first thought: The taxiway is backed up like a Chick-Fil-A drive thru.
Hahahaha
Just FYI, the transmission that the subtitles didn't catch much should be a helicopter inbound from Sha Lo Wan - it is most likely a helicopter of Government Flying Service (similar to Coast Guard) doing a VFR flight. The names spoken are both real places and also points of reference and reporting points for helicopter VFR traffic.
"User in your channel was kicked from the server."
That does not happen in vatsim, we use the aircraft radios not Teamspeak lol what year is this 2000?
Airforceproud95 lol
CPA715 has the most trustworthy pilot voice I've ever heard
They are the best in the business 👍
Those captains are mainly from Australia.
@@juniormckie2462 sounded like a British pilot to me?
@@jasonworger5246they all sound the same
The helicopter at 1:56 that ATC speak to is the Government Flying Service, doing a “CaseVac” - sending patients in remote areas of HK to the nearest hospital. If you are familiar with HK you probably will hear “Tai O” during the transmission.
And Sha Lo Wan as well
Now that's a queue wow
You should check out Narita 16r/34l sometime. Biggest I've ever seen.
elgroxo Totally, preventable!
elgroxo Nothing for HKG, bizjets, freighters and GA operate from the southern apron and its intense. Compound that with the fact its CX, KA HKE and HKAs departure being on their terminal side and things getbusy. Brilliant controllers though, HKCAD mainly recruit experienced Aussies inline with CX etc so it works well.
elgroxo yes! hkia is super active at night. there have been a few times where the plane i was in had to queue for about 30mins before takeoff, and while on the takeoff roll, you could see 10+ planes waiting to line up on the runway and takeoff. so cool.
Wonder why they did not send a Marshaller (Follow me) to guide China Eastern 506 out of the way
acm#1985 time probably, too much time and too much traffic to get around
And then pull the captain out of the aircraft and bitch slap him!
I don't think HKIA has marshal vehicles... I've never seen one... The last time I saw a car close to a plane in HKIA it was when a car drove right into the engine of a Dragon a330. No-one died thankfully.
Quick thinking from SIA871, he could tell CES506 had her finger on PTT and jamming the frequency...
at 07:17, I think the SIA pilot is saying "- his radio is [ jamming the airwaves ]" :)
That's seriously decent ATC. Great job
Very cool ATC
This can and does happen a lot more that you may think. Stuck mike either at the Captain Fist officer or one of the flight deck observer positions. there are also relays in the avionics bay that can fail.
Please put the info slide you show in the beginning of the video in the description as well. That would be really nice thanks!
2:10 that's Sha Lo Wan and Tai O, Both VFR points just South of the airport. The callsign is Heli65
I don’t think fedex airplane got any priority...sucks to be a cargo pilots.
Cargo pilots make way more money tbfair
grrrrr idk why but this pissed me off..... i know its no ones fault but just hearing the coltroller call ces506 over and over again with no response and with them holding short of the runway blocking the 10 or more other planes waiting to takeoff at a busy airport like hong kong just got to me if i was that controller it would have been tough for me to keep my shit together.
same. working airside and hearing these things happen annoys me
RoaringSkiesStudios NO! RKS, if you were the controller, you would have kept your cool, made quick definite decisions, and rapidly searched for a solution. That is how it is done. 1. Shutdown the runway, get a follow me vehicle, to haul ass down the runway and get china air to follow it off to the ramp.
Well, that's why you're not a controller then.
Ruben Villanueva I think they can still take off using J2? That’s what J2 is built for, to be used when J1 is blocked. They only need to close the runway when the car arrives to lead CES506 onto 07R then J3, after CES506 has vacated the runway they can resume normal operations as CES506 will be using taxiway J.
such a karen
I see Captain Obvious was piloting Singapore 871 :D
Wow the atc was patient. I would lose it after the 3rd repeat.
JFK airport will rage
It is HELI 65, TWR south controlling ATZ traffic inbound to VHHH... It should be a SAR helicopter by GFS.
That ?? 65 is a Government Flying Service helicopter, possibly finishing a mission somewhere in HK and waiting at Sha Lo Wan (a holding point), waiting for inbound to GFS headquarters (which is very close to RWY 07R).
Very interesting, thx for your work on this video xD
It's "track to TAI O" not "final", Tai O is right next to VHHH
Fenix Yuk how can you tell tower needs better english.
How could I know? Thanks.
casevac 65 is the callsign for government flying service, the tower is talking to a helicopter.
The helicopter actually said at about 1:58 : we are at "Sha lo wan" flying close to the ground to "Tai O"
Those location are not way points on the chart, just the name of a place
@@VASAviation Since the Government Flying Service helicopter is using CASEVAC callsign, it is probably flying for an air ambulance service, which is common in Hong Kong. There are a lot of outlying islands in Hong Kong without road connection, or too far for road transport to the hospital. In this case the emergency service would request a helicopter (or in some cases, marine police launch) to transport the patient to the hospital.
Nice detail on the queue planes
That Unknown Traffic is a GFS Helicopter and his callsign is Heli 65
the audio reminded me of the Max Headroom broadcast signal intrusion
ATC ear rip...
Everyone back to the gate for a top up of A1
James Thom Yes, and China Air is paying for this top up!
Wow. Just wow
Why didn't the ATC request that ground crew alert the aircraft of communication faults?
Love how at the end the tower is like CE switch to a very special channel in which no one else is on here
Classic HKG... Dozens of planes in queue...
at 2:10 he says track to tai o, not final... nice vids loving them sir
Isn't there some kind of backup communications? What happens if the radio fails completely? Thanks
You have backup frequencies and alternative frequencies but unfortunately you can't necessarily communicate to other planes to switch to the new frequency. Some planes might not hear the transmission and some will be stuck on the freq with the stuck mic.
God that was super stressful
at what point do you turn off the radio and use your mobile phone?
they should have had a follow-me car out there for 506 the moment they started missing calls.
Hmm. It's standard protocol to switch frequencies immediately, if they are blocked. At least in the military. There are always at least 3 different freq's for every hour of the day assigned.
Great idea from de SIA to communicate CES via 121.5
Is there anything a captain could do if they realise they're not receiving the instructions from the tower over the radio - it's all very well saying they should have realised but you don't exactly want an aircraft taxiing down the runway back to the apron on their own initiative. Surely the only thing they could do was try to fix the radios, wait for a marshalling vehicle to come out to them (or I suppose try and phone the tower if that's possible)
The ATC tower has light guns to be used for an aircraft with no comms, with each color/combo having a universal meaning
Why can't they send someone to signal ces506 on the runway?
Wow what a mess!
When you screw up at HKIA, you screwed up big time. Hong Kong is one of the most efficient and international airports in the world and any delay can have bad consequences for not just airlines, but cargo as well (hong kong is the world's biggest freight airport)
I used to live there for 11 years and go back every summer, it is an amazing airport and the airlines are... wow!
That unintelligible part is 'Sha Lo Wan', an island off the coast of Lantau
The **65 is Heli65 , a heli of HK government flying service
China messing up Hong Kong? No, surely not...
Tower has a real smooth accent.
If they had comms issues and were partly hearing ATC, why would they continue onto the runway?
they had no other way to go .. they had to enter the runway to clear the blockage for the other planes. It was just unfortunate that the controller just had them enter the runway at first and not taxi down the runway immediately.
I had that happen to me. For 40 mins. As soon as I'm done talking the mic would freeze and u will not know. ATC told me not to key in and u r cleared to land once it freed up. Lol.
Are there any records of the recent russian airline crash?
Not really. There's only one short recording when it was taxiing and contacting radar. The accident started happening a bit later and this wasn't recorded. There's some recordings of ATCs trying to find the aircraft asking other flights to check the area of crash though
Данил Сергин How about the Iranian one?
中華人民共和國統一工作部 no idea
Atc should have called a car to make the plane follow it and instructed the plane to shutdown radio and make them go back to gate till fixed
Seems it is not about the equipment...
Hey VASA Aviation, as i know HKIA is one of the busiest airports in the world. Can you please make a video to tell us how HKIA works as well?
You have a video of Hong Kong on the channel.
VASAviation - yes ive enjoyed it! You have produced 2 or videos of HKIA already! It would be great if we can know more about it! Just when you have time and if you'd like to! Thanks for your great work
4:05 when he says "I read you 5", it's 5/5 or 5/10 ? It means he hears them great ? or bad ?
5/5, perfectly audible.
Im a tad late, but an official (probably) radio check response (besides loud and clear or other descriptors) is to say two numbers up to 5 (such as 5 5 which means loud and clear). Clearly some adjustment was done by the pilots (only one figure was stated) but it got the message across.
Don't ask him, tell him.
What's the procedure when there's radio problem?
That long queue is the exact reason why they're building a third runway to the north of the island by what Hong Kongers do best: land reclamation.
Except that I heard the proposed direction of runway makes airline leave HKG ATC control as soon as it takes off. While the airport manager announced he can have a deal with corresponding China ATC, I wonder what would it work.
Chnet Gamer They'd make the third runway work just like the other two runways, or so I've heard
Yeah, that's just literally nonsense.
They don't have much of a choice. Lantou Island is directly to the south with mountain ranges as tall as 1000m, with more on the mainland not far away from the airfield. And let's not forget Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau Bridge to the west as well. The three runways would be used in mixed configuration instead of independent, so it's very similar to what they do now.
Not surprised .
Did the FedEx plane ever get to leave?
2:05 "track to final". Should it be "track to Tai O"? Tai O is a place name of a coastal area.
I think the best thing about this video... Having a Callsign Dragon
One of the Chinese airlines has the call sign "Dynasty" which I think is cool as hell.
Because the airline is really called Dragonair (Now renamed to Cathay Dragon)
@@vegasgirl3538 China Airlines, Taiwan. And its frequent flyer program is called Dynasty Flyer
Why did tower not just make China Eastern 506 Vacate when they started blocking the frequency. I mean that or putting them on a separate freq. would seem smartest, they were blocking it for a good amount of time...
If they were transmitting, they were not hearing anything.
2:08 ''Goose, I got tone''
2:15 is track to Tai O not final
I went to Hong Kong in Nov and Jan. They only have 1 runway for take off. The lower buildings of the map are cargo terminals and note that their aircraft also use that same runway for take off. And the gaps between take offs are much longer than @ my base of SFO.
I'm just a regular Joe w/no aviation connection, so forgive me if I'm wrong.
What a stressed day at work place
CES506 Rx: Out or order, Tx: Normal in this case.
So is this a typical fsx or what?
Good ATC
I'm a simple Man. I hear Cargolux, I like.
Get out the light gun!
123.8,Singapore 871 bye bye!
Could they not have used their secondary radio?
Doesn't help if the problem is with the PTT button.
kewkabe true, but the co pilot has his own PTT button, NO?, also why not have the co pilot attempt contact on Ground frequency?
What is the meaning of blocking frequency?
So the easiest way I can explain is this: on a phone there is more than one "channel" which means that if you and your friend are talking on the phone you can interrupt each other. On the radio though you only have one channel which means that only one person can talk at a time. You literally cannot hear if someone is talking when you are talking. That is why pilots (and us) will hear that loud noise and they will say "blocked" when something like this happens to let all the people involved know that no one could hear them.
literal meme at this point with china eastern blocking everyone and air china being impatient...
Is that just me or does it at 5:45 sound like "Mayday mayday mayday"?
its cat II holding point for K
Their radio must have been "Made in China"... Go figure...
First, i must give the ATC credit for their patience. But, why screw around with a NORDO aircraft for such a long a time? Why did they not use the light gun signals and have China aircraft taxi back to their starting point? Then, send out a Follow ME vehicle,, and make visual contact with the crew to follow them off the runway! Why did they not attempt contact via other means? The VOR (most of them have a voice feature); it would override the VOR ID, they could then hear an instruction to vacate the runway and return to the ramp. A mishandled situation!
Because light gun signals are not for taxi instructions, pilots don't monitor VOR voice frequencies (almost all modern aircraft are RNAV anyway), and follow me trucks can take 20 minutes or more to get if they're not usually used. (I'm a controller).
Light signals would be such a balls up. The tower is 1.5 miles away, and sure as hell those guys wouldn't be looking at it. And what about other aircraft? All of them were having difficulty on that frequency. What if they misinterpreted light signals as being for them?
kewkabe is right, a follow me would take ages, and how would it get down there? That part of the problem. It's super congested on J and H for departures from J1 and J2 in HKG. There isn't normally even space to vacate from J3. The follow me would have to come down the runway, blocking departures for a long time - and that's notwithstanding approaches by cargo aircraft to 07R and the time it would take to organise a car to get down there.
And I can confirm, nobody listens to VOR voice.
Now you do normally have 1. a mobile phone, and 2. a satcom. Both of those would be clear of interference and worth a go. Satcom normally has contact details for very specific locations such as control towers. Those options would have to be pilot prompted and difficult to pull off when you're near a runway with only two crew. I can't see what else anyone could have done, apart from try to get them on a different frequency earlier.
I'm in the USA and light guns simply aren't used anymore, especially with airliners. Hong Kong is modern and busy enough so it's probably the same. Flashing a blinking white light at them would have zero effect on anything.
kewkabe nice to hear from a fellow colleague. A flashing White light, from a light gun signal, to an aircraft on the ground, means return to starting point on the airport, ie, back to the gate. It is used, as all the other light gun signals, controllers as well as pilots should know them. Twenty minutes for a vehicle to drive down a runway? In what airport was this?
kewkabe yes, pilots do not monitor VOR frequencies, but when you have a NORDO situation you try all possible means of communications, pilots know this. Do pilots monitor 121.5 VHF?, No, but when they lose communication, they go to it. Also, a pilot may choose to utilize RNAV, but VOR are still utilized for navigation, are they not? I was a SATCO, in both RADAR APPROACH CONTROL AND CONTROL TOWER Facilities, though now now retired. I have seen similar situations that were handled swiftly.
Free Hong Kong
Radio was made in China 🤣
no it is made by honeywell which is a US company.
That is Heli 65
Wow China East 506 is driving everyone crazy with dodgy radio
bro get pilot license from tau bao😂
SIA871 shouldda' blown their horn at 506.. :D
if a get a dollar every time the ATC says China Eastern 506 ill be billionaire
nah, you will have not more, than 30 dollars
poor guy is napping.
It's 'Tai O' not final lol
Is it normal for Hong kong airport to have queue that long?
It is normal during peak times. I have faced longer queues at NRT.
how long
There are about 15 aircrafts on the queue, and it takes about 1.5hrs from pushback to take off
that was unpleasant
VHHH uses only 1 runway (Tower South) for midnight. So the queue would be that long at midnight.
Imagine this happening at JFK. That would be entertaining
How do you block a frequency?
By pressing the PTT
Rookie error China Eastern.
Radio communications for aircraft use VHF and to use it you broadcast to everybody on that frequency as it's a shared medium. Only 1 station can transmit at any one time because of the way the signal is transmitted. If 2 stations transmit at the same time, you tend to get a lot of interference as the receiver struggles to decode the signal as the 2 transmissions overlap each other. What can happen occasionally is that the Push To Talk button on the control column or the sidestick may break or get stuck and you can end up inadvertently transmitting after you release the button. Because only one station can transmit at any one time, this prevents the frequency being used for others to use it as the transmission may not be received clearly by the intended recipient due to the interference. And because you cannot transmit and receive at the same time, the pilots may not have heard that there was any interference - they may have simply heard the Tower South frequency go unusually quiet given how busy the runway was, which would have tipped them off that something was wrong with their radio.
Why I always heard the tower call Hong Kong Departure as 123 8 point 8
btw the Cantonese slang is kinda wired tho, as I don't usually heard that tone at Hong Kong
It’s 123 decimal 8?
Creeper_NoDenial _ Walker #14604 ya but you can hear it quicker 1238en8 then speaking out “DECIMAL”
And also VHHH Departure Frequency is 123.8
ycohui Chik if you mean the one at the very beginning of the video, that does sound like 123 8en 8 but it’s 123 decimal 8
is it hardware problem ? or what sort of reason for the freq block
broken switch, loose wire, spider on the circuit board, who knows.
The spider was trying to read back, but wasn't loud enough for the microphone
Hello Guys sometimes we have a stuck mike, the push to talk button, gets stuck in the transmit position. This usually blocks everyone out, you can only hear the pilot speaking, and he does not know that he is causing the problem. Many, funny and embarrassing things have ben said over an open stuck mike! You also hear a loud squelching sound, those are the other pilots or ATC trying to call.
@Ruben Villanueva -- What a stupid system! Are they even trying to find a better solution or are they actually satisfied with this shit? Seriously, even a Discord server would be more efficient lol
@@Clystron426 You need a system that works on planes of all ages and airports of all tech levels. That is the problem with aviation.
3:30 sound says Cat II, text says Cat III. Same error on readback
According to my VHHH charts, that's a CAT III holding point south of 07R.
@@VASAviation there is no CAT III LWMO capability for 07R. What you see on K opposite J3 is for CAT II only