Why a Dior skirt sparked outrage in China

[@ElLonash]

Another reason why the theft of traditional clothing styles into “popular” brands is so harmful is because it can directly lead to the fading away of the traditional tailors. There are also always cheap knock off brands which follow trends, so we just have a luxury brand steal the style and call it original, then the knock offs mass produce it. With mamianqun, I think Chinese are connected enough to hanfu to sustain it, but for lesser known cultures, this sort of act can be their tradition’s demise. It’s important to defend against the theft and erasure of all cultures’ traditions!

[@maniaouri2146]

don't forget that stealing is in their historical DNA, look at the main Paris museums, which will be empty if the stolen antiques and items of unimaginable archeological value are returned to their country of origin. Same goes for most western nations with a Colonial history

[@user-cg8nc8bl3w]

true

[@cesarbertinetti683]

Señor, su lectura de la circunstancia histórica y actual a la vez de éstas gentes, dior, etc, etc no puede ser mejor clarficada.
Muchas gracias.

[@ponponsherry6015]

I agree

[@user-xw9zn8gx6t]

Bro i strongly agree and they also inherited the DNA of racist

[@comment3711]

Lol. So you’re saying that the Europeans don’t have any of their own art in their museums? The majority of famous artists are European. Have you even heard of The Renaissance or The Enlightenment?
Can you even name 50 non European master painters or classical musicians whose works are on display in every major museum in Europe?
Art works and relics are in European museums because they were the ones who were curious enough to go dig it up. Most people had no interest in their own culture heritage and archeological sites, which is why they allowed the Europeans to do the work of discovery and display.

[@bowiem2275]

We welcome others to appreciate our culture but definitely no culture appropriation!

[@comment3711]

How embarrassing

[@princecoffee2349]

This is mamigun.
Chinese history books are full of references to the Mamigun coming from the Korean peninsula and and became popular,
which was banned by the Ming emperor to preserve tradition.
(明憲宗)成化中, 馬尾裙盛行. 此制始於朝鮮國, 流入京師, 京師人亦漸習爲之, 閣臣萬安, 冬夏不脫.
(查繼佐) (罪唯錄) 卷4 (冠服志)
During the Seonghwa years (1465-1478), mamiguns were popular. It originated in Joseon and came to capital.
The people of capital gradually became accustomed to wearing them, and Man-an, a cabinet minister, never took them off, even in winter and summer.
後亦多畜高麗美人, 大臣有權者, 輒以此遺之, 京師達官貴人, 必得高麗女, 然後爲名家. 自至正以來, 宮中給事使令, 大半高麗女, 以故四方衣服、靴帽、器物, 皆仿高麗, 擧世若狂.
(續資治通鑒) 卷214, (元紀) 32
The Empress of the Yuan Dynasty was also from Goryeo, and most of her courtiers were also from Goryeo.
For this reason, clothing, shoes, hats, and utensils everywhere imitated Goryeo, and the whole world seemed to go crazy.
馬尾裙始於朝鮮國, 流入京師, 京師人買服之, 未有能織者. 初服者, 惟富商, 貴公子, 歌妓而已, 以後武臣多服之, 京師始有織賣者. 於是無貴無賤, 服者日盛. 至成化末年, 朝官多服之者矣. 大抵服者, 下體虛奓, 取觀美耳. 閣老萬公安, 冬夏不脫. 宗伯周公洪謨, 重服二腰, 年幼侯伯駙馬, 至有以弓弦貫其齊者. 大臣不服者, 惟黎吏侍淳一人而已. 此服妖也, 弘治初始有禁例.
(菽園雜記) 卷10
Mamigun originated in the Joseon Dynasty and was introduced to the capital, where people bought and wore them, but there were no weavers who could weave them.
It was considered immodest and was banned in the early Hongqi (1488-1505) reign.
宮衣新尚高麗樣, 方領過腰半臂裁.
連夜內家爭借看, 爲曾著過禦前來.
- (張昱), (宮中詞)
自至正以來, 宮中給事使令, 大半爲高麗女.
以故, 四方衣服鞋帽器物, 皆依高麗樣子. 此關系一時風氣, 豈偶然哉.
(權衡), (庚申外史)
用紫色棕藤縛帽, 而制靴作高麗國樣, 皆一時所尚.
(陶宗儀), (南村輟耕錄) 卷28

[@aporlahalamadrid]

So what happens when a Chinese company steals another foreign company's trademark? , and other countries' sovereignty over seas and islands.

[@luceafarul579]

They get sued, wouldn’t you know it right?

[@user-cg8nc8bl3w]

Mamian skirt is Chinese traditional clothes.🇲🇾

[@sara.cbc92]

This is less about IP and patent infringemnet and more about profitting off cultural appropriation. It involves ethnic and national pride. As much as I despise CCP, they have a good case. Koreans and Japanese wouldn't let this go either if a similiar thing occured.

[@StarOnTheWater]

Thank god chinese manufacturers have never copied other countries patented inventions.

[@alex79982]

Shouldnt have destroyed their own culture during the cultural revolution

[@user-ju3fu3gp1y]

This is mian of China

[@oliverbanes5121]

This hilarious, protesting while wearing western clothes

[@Kuricang31]

With 8 billion people on today's planet and hundreds of thousands of designers, why are these ignorant whiners thinking that they were/are the ONLY ONES in world history to create this design. In my life, have seen numerous designs similar/the same as another, just years apart or very minor differences. Besides, there is NO cultural design that is 100% cloned by its own culture

[@luceafarul579]

Well, while it’s certainly possible for a designer to whip it out, Dior has remained silent about it. They could’ve came out and said: look our designer was trying this and that and it ended up being very similar. But they had no defense which speaks volumes.

[@slippersmomma]

The lady says as she sits there wearing a western style blazer.

[@ElLonash]

I think you may have misunderstood her point. She’s expressing how the Chinese were upset that Dior took a traditional Chinese style skirt and called it their original design. They were not upset by non-Chinese folks wearing their traditional clothes, just the blatant theft and lack of recognition of their cultural style. Does that make sense?
In fact, many Chinese people love for non-Chinese to wear and buy their traditional dresses! It supports traditional tailors! :)

[@kuga7423]

Seems like you don't get what her point is

[@charlotte5815]

I don't think Dior copied from chinese clothing. It's just a basic pleated skirt. china isn't the only country that used pleats in their clothing. Pleats are first used in Ancient Egypt. So if Dior copied from china then china copied from Egypt.

[@nonienandya6585]

The way it pleats is a hanfu iconic dress. I sew my own dress. I pleats my skirts but not this way.

[@flexifhhgh534]

毫无逻辑，强词夺理，没有证据，你的每句话都在彰显你的无知，别再丢脸了

[@white-dew]

I can say that you won't find a second skirt in the world with the same silhouette as a Mamian skirt. Also if you know nothing about Chinese culture, it’s better to keep your mouth shut.

[@snowyy.5275]

The pattern (as in cut, construction, and tailoring) are incredibly unique, and anyone with a cursory background in sewing would understand this at a glance. It has four panels with mirrored pleats that overlap in the center to allow for a range of movement. No other design resembles this skirt. This is a skirt that developed from horseback riding. There's no rational explanation for Dior to magically stumble upon this construction without a thousand plus years of history in which you can clearly trace the evolution of the skirt from practical into fashionable. They clearly didn't invent this design independently. Moreover, the silhouette isn't even close to Dior's iconic new look, so what are they even on?
If you want to ignore the garment patterns, cut, shape, drape, fabric, etc., You may as well say, "I don't think Dior copied Romanian traditional clothing because all cultures have embroidery. It's just an embroidered shirt." Or "there's nothing unique about any cultural clothing because we're all humans who wear stuff made out of fabric." Clothing have their own distinctive elements that combine into a unique tradition. You have to study it as a whole to form a judgement. Or take the shortcut and look up a photo of Princess Diana wearing the mamianqun on a diplomatic visit...unless you think she time-traveled and copied Dior

[@charlotte5815]

​@@snowyy.5275 I'm sorry but I can't be bother to finish reading your comment because I don't care. I don't even remember when I wrote this comment. I don't care even Dior DID in fact copied it from China (though I doubt it). What's such a big deal? It's not like China has any right to condemn somebody when it comes to plagiarism

[@unka2007]

you guys are so funnyy …china copies everything but they are claiming this now so ridiculous

[@zorrozhou897]

Ja you are right, Korean owns the whole Universe! Except for United States Forces Korea.

[@qq-sc1bx]

@@zorrozhou897 bro how you fucking watching youtube? I thought Cute Piggy xi jin ping blocked it

[@dshyon]

@@zorrozhou897 Why are you on TH-cam? Reported to the CCP.

[@zorrozhou897]

​@@dshyon It sounds you are very familiar with ccp - are you a member of it? If not, why you make ccp propaganda here? Reported.

[@dshyon]

@@zorrozhou897 Learn English before you hop on a VPN and try to argue with people in English

[@qingqiong]

Then file a lawsuit, let's see how it goes. I don't think a similar design pattern would make it a valid case. Remember, the mocked famous trademark are everywhere in China and they have never been illegal in China, which is certainly illegal everywhere else in the world. Now you are talking about stealing? What a shame. I was a Chinese and shame on you all!

[@sinlone-song]

Just like the United States advocates its democracy all over the world, this is a protest based on national strength. If this is a country in Africa, no one may pay attention to it. Whether it succeeds or not is an epitome of China's rise

[@ponponsherry6015]

Cultural appropriation is not copy. This is different ok？！Every country has copied the other design, which is a necessary means of development, but cultural appropriation is an infringement on the traditional culture of other countries, don't confuse the two, It's completely different ！I'm ashamed of you

[@kuga7423]

It''s interesting that you claim, you "were" a Chinese. What are you now then? You turn into an Indian? A western? An African? Or turn into a monkey???