They didn’t suck it dry… THEY CAPITOLIZED. Yes they did steal, but it’s in the competitive nature of rap. Can’t really take away their credit of getting rap started in a huge way…
The Sugarhill Gang was not the start of hip-hop however it was the start of recording rappers on record. MC’s and rappers have been around long before they were ever recorded.
About the message, the fact that Melle Mel just added a verse that was 3 years prior makes it even more creditable. He was rapping consciousness even before Hip-Hop went mainstream
I’d say it was Sugarhill Records, not the Sugarhill Gang that was a fraud. Only fraudulent thing was the story of the rhymes between Big Bank Hank and Grandmaster Caz. But either way, the industry is a business and unfortunately artists get screwed.
Your absolutely right it was the record company that was fraudulent not the group they were getting rip off and exploited never got any royalties for their work!
That’s why to this day they don’t really get the credit they deserve . Grand master Flash and Melle y Mel , get all the accolades for real because they were not put together and manufactured like alot of pop groups were . Grand Master Flash and Melle Mel were real cars that created there own music and raps .
Sylvia recognized that if she could get this new hip-hop thing, recorded professionally. It could be huge! She made it happen. How is there any fraud there?
The culture is not to be sold. The story is to be told. We arent a product, this is a culture about the people. You dont market that, you let it be. The parasites tryna get money OFF the culture.
If U eant to know the truth of Sugar Hill Records, watch the Documentary I Want My Name Back which talks about Sugar Hill Records and how shady they were. It talked about how Big Bank Hank stole his rhymes from GrandMaster Casanova and did not even pay homage to him. Not only that, but the record label stole the intellectual property of the group. There R now 2 groups which is The Real Sugar Hill Gang which is Wonder Mike, Master Gee, Hen Dogg. Big Bank Hank is a part of the fake group. He does make mention of some of the facts that R in the Documentary, but at the time of writing this, I wonder if he will mention the mob ties the record label had.
Man I was there too bro. You are miseducating people with half truths and misuse of language about the beginnings of hiphop. Go do your homework and get the story accurate…
For yall that don't know, I used to know Guy, and he was a part of the crew Sound on Sound in Hackensack NJ. They used to have party at the rec In Tennaka NJ. And there DJ Ron was on the box I remember b4 Guy blow up They had party at the passic NJ Boy Club, were our crew had jams at. Special k of whbi fm used to hang out in the Boys Club. Bregan County NJ in the house. SOUND ON SOUND WITH MC MASTER GEE, AND DJ RONIE RON SYLVIA ONLY TOOK MAST GEE ,AND THE REST IS HISTORY.
I agree with you, I only said that I used to hangout with Guy of the crew sound on sound in Bergan County NJ, across the GW. I was down with the kat in Harlem and the Bronx.
Good, informative video! Before the "Good Times" background starts, the intro to the recording is an interpolation of "Here Comes That Sound Again" by British studio group Love De-Luxe, a disco hit in 1979. th-cam.com/video/HHPXyzdS_nY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qVlr5yG6h4Qud8Es According to Oliver Wang, author of the 2003 Classic Material: The Hip-Hop Album Guide, recording artist ("Pillow Talk") and studio owner Sylvia Robinson had trouble finding anyone willing to record a rap song. Most of the rappers who performed in clubs did not want to record, as many practitioners believed the style was for live performances only. It is said that Robinson and her son overheard Big Bank Hank in a pizza parlor. According to Master Gee, Hank auditioned for Robinson in front of the pizza parlor where he worked, whilst Gee himself auditioned in Robinson's car. A live band was used to record most of the backing track, including members of the group "Positive Force": Albert Pittman, Bernard Roland, Moncy Smith, and Bryan Horton. Chip Shearin claimed during a 2010 interview that he was the bass player on the track. At the age of 17, he had visited a friend in New Jersey. The friend knew Robinson, who needed some musicians for various recordings, including "Rapper's Delight". Shearin's job on the song was to play the bass for 15 minutes straight, with no mistakes. He was paid $70 but later went on to perform with Sugarhill Gang in concert. Shearin described the session this way: The drummer and I were sweating bullets because that's a long time. And this was in the days before samplers and drum machines, when real humans had to play things. ... Sylvia said, 'I've got these kids who are going to talk real fast over it; that's the best way I can describe it.' Wang said: "There's this idea that hip-hop has to have street credibility, yet the first big hip-hop song was an inauthentic fabrication. It's not like the guys involved were the 'real' hip-hop icons of the era, like Grandmaster Flash or Lovebug Starski. So it's a pretty impressive fabrication, lightning in a bottle."
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They didn’t suck it dry… THEY CAPITOLIZED. Yes they did steal, but it’s in the competitive nature of rap. Can’t really take away their credit of getting rap started in a huge way…
I can’t argue with that
The Sugarhill Gang was not the start of hip-hop however it was the start of recording rappers on record. MC’s and rappers have been around long before they were ever recorded.
Brother you wrong for this. You hating for all the wrong reasons. This is the start of Hip Hop & we all Love it. So get over your pitiful self.
About the message, the fact that Melle Mel just added a verse that was 3 years prior makes it even more creditable. He was rapping consciousness even before Hip-Hop went mainstream
Rappers Delight is the start of Hip Hop music & we Love it ❤😅❤
Nah hiphop was running befor dudes jacked nyc shit
I’d say it was Sugarhill Records, not the Sugarhill Gang that was a fraud. Only fraudulent thing was the story of the rhymes between Big Bank Hank and Grandmaster Caz. But either way, the industry is a business and unfortunately artists get screwed.
Your absolutely right it was
the record company that was
fraudulent not the group they
were getting rip off and exploited
never got any royalties for their
work!
Big hank literally STOLE those rhymes, the record company didn’t know it was a stolen song
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Still a classic tho. And it still gets play in da ride, and at the BBQ🤷🏽♂️
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That’s why to this day they don’t really get the credit they deserve . Grand master Flash and Melle y Mel , get all the accolades for real because they were not put together and manufactured like alot of pop groups were . Grand Master Flash and Melle Mel were real cars that created there own music and raps .
Sylvia recognized that if she could get this new hip-hop thing, recorded professionally. It could be huge! She made it happen. How is there any fraud there?
The culture is not to be sold. The story is to be told. We arent a product, this is a culture about the people. You dont market that, you let it be. The parasites tryna get money OFF the culture.
The GMF and FF5 manager was Gene Chandler.
I'm from the Bx RPT west side we knew Caz lyrics but my brother DJ Kojak was in cedar park and let's talk about in house musician being jerk I know
Does DJ Kojak is still alive ?
Thanks for the insight to who I called my idols for decades.
If U eant to know the truth of Sugar Hill Records, watch the Documentary I Want My Name Back which talks about Sugar Hill Records and how shady they were. It talked about how Big Bank Hank stole his rhymes from GrandMaster Casanova and did not even pay homage to him. Not only that, but the record label stole the intellectual property of the group. There R now 2 groups which is The Real Sugar Hill Gang which is Wonder Mike, Master Gee, Hen Dogg. Big Bank Hank is a part of the fake group. He does make mention of some of the facts that R in the Documentary, but at the time of writing this, I wonder if he will mention the mob ties the record label had.
Man I was there too bro. You are miseducating people with half truths and misuse of language about the beginnings of hiphop. Go do your homework and get the story accurate…
Your buggin
Ok Hip Hop is 4 ever I love it❤
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Finally someone said it
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Kurt's blow was the first one wit record thes r the breaks
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U rt
@@jamesmoss3329 Christmas rap came out 1st in 1979
It was a shiesty money grab by the group and label
Been known
Yes but I never knew the full details, it gets so crazy it’s absurd they got away with it
For yall that don't know, I used to know Guy, and he was a part of the crew Sound on Sound in Hackensack NJ. They used to have party at the rec
In Tennaka NJ. And there DJ Ron was on the box
I remember b4 Guy blow up They had party at the passic NJ Boy Club, were our crew had jams at. Special k of whbi fm used to hang out in the Boys Club. Bregan County NJ in the house. SOUND ON SOUND WITH MC MASTER GEE, AND DJ RONIE RON
SYLVIA ONLY TOOK MAST GEE ,AND THE REST IS HISTORY.
I love hip hop history, it has a class of its own, nothing like it
I agree with you, I only said that I used to hangout with Guy of the crew sound on sound in Bergan County NJ, across the GW. I was down with the kat in Harlem and the Bronx.
@challz Brown I agree with you, Sylvia jerk kat around
damn. learn something new every day.
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Come on c b shg stole cash r ymes
I hate that song
It’s a good record 😂😂😂
Good, informative video! Before the "Good Times" background starts, the intro to the recording is an interpolation of "Here Comes That Sound Again" by British studio group Love De-Luxe, a disco hit in 1979. th-cam.com/video/HHPXyzdS_nY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qVlr5yG6h4Qud8Es
According to Oliver Wang, author of the 2003 Classic Material: The Hip-Hop Album Guide, recording artist ("Pillow Talk") and studio owner Sylvia Robinson had trouble finding anyone willing to record a rap song. Most of the rappers who performed in clubs did not want to record, as many practitioners believed the style was for live performances only. It is said that Robinson and her son overheard Big Bank Hank in a pizza parlor. According to Master Gee, Hank auditioned for Robinson in front of the pizza parlor where he worked, whilst Gee himself auditioned in Robinson's car. A live band was used to record most of the backing track, including members of the group "Positive Force": Albert Pittman, Bernard Roland, Moncy Smith, and Bryan Horton.
Chip Shearin claimed during a 2010 interview that he was the bass player on the track. At the age of 17, he had visited a friend in New Jersey. The friend knew Robinson, who needed some musicians for various recordings, including "Rapper's Delight". Shearin's job on the song was to play the bass for 15 minutes straight, with no mistakes. He was paid $70 but later went on to perform with Sugarhill Gang in concert. Shearin described the session this way:
The drummer and I were sweating bullets because that's a long time. And this was in the days before samplers and drum machines, when real humans had to play things. ... Sylvia said, 'I've got these kids who are going to talk real fast over it; that's the best way I can describe it.'
Wang said: "There's this idea that hip-hop has to have street credibility, yet the first big hip-hop song was an inauthentic fabrication. It's not like the guys involved were the 'real' hip-hop icons of the era, like Grandmaster Flash or Lovebug Starski. So it's a pretty impressive fabrication, lightning in a bottle."
This was amazing, salute!