Make sure to catch me on #GTLive at 5PM ET! I’m super excited to be on there considering this entire channel is inspired purely by them haha, it's truly my childhood dream coming true in front of my eyes - and yours! :D Wanna also make it clear, no hate given to anyone I disagree with/mentioned in this video - they're all great and theorizing is all in good fun of course! Although this is a good time for a friendly reminder (as it's gotten a bit bad recently) to please be respectful and constructive to each other while theorizing, even if you 100% disagree with someone :)
You really make good theories, i'm not just talking about what you say, but also how you say it; you make everything clear while talking, you clarify every concept a second time to make sure the viewer is not confused and doesn't misunderstand something, you are not afraid to aknowledge the weak points of your theories, you don't ignore other theorists' opinions on the subject and you confront them and you don't discard sources that might go against your theory. other than that you also make everything clear with a fine editing which provides key words and pictures/scenes of what you are talking about. about this one i completely agree; ID's fantasy solution to matpat's theory(in which he contraddicts himself about sister location/moltenMCI) makes sense on paper, but overcomplicates the story, and is mostly based on "off camera events" that would be very poorly hinted in the games/books if true. as matpat says, usually the simplest and direct line of events is more likely to be true than an overcomplicated one.
I just wanna mention another detail, I’m confident that one of the reasons the “safe room being sealed twice” is because it happens once after the MCI, resulting in Springbonnie getting sealed inside the wall, and again in Follow Me, resulting in Springtrap getting sealed behind the wall. We know these two events exist to parallel one another because of Henry’s speech, and because of William’s line in Fruity Maze. This solves a crucial detail about FNAF2: that William uses Fredbear instead of springbonnie in the DCI. SB was inside a wall, and remains there until William comes back years later.
@HorrorLover Dead Children Incident It's stupid, but some people believe the children we see at fnaf 2 are a separate set of kills than the original. Simply because they "don't look the same" as if the FNAF 2 minigames were ever about accurately telling the details and not about making a abstract point.
@@punusername3445 well we know those are different kids, the missing children died at the FNAF1 restaurant in 1985, but we know kids died in the FNAF2 location in 1987 because William was the security guard (as we see in the minigame, and as Phone Guy describes). Its not them looking different because they look the exact same lol
@@punusername3445 i used the books because thats the year given in both the novels and the frights series, but sure thats not confirmed in the games. Even still, we do in fact know the MCI happened before 1987 or FNAF2 because the first Freddy’s has to shut down for the second to open. Meaning those kids at the FNAF2 location can’t be the same ones.
This is a cool theory with some awesome evidence to back it up! In my mind I always thought the ending of FnaF 3 was complex because of Agony. If its a thing in the games (which I believe to be the case) then the children can still be set free (making the good ending canon) but the bad ending can also be canon because of the leftover agony that's inhabiting the suits. Thus, both can still happen.
I posted this on the Rockstar MCI video, but I think I have an answer to a few of the issues brought up with it: L.E.F.T.E. MCI. What if Henry did rebuild the originals into the rockstars, but extracted all their remnant and put it into LEFTE. This solves a few issues for me. 1. It works with the Candy Cadets' stories, and it helps explain something that's always bugged me about them that Molten MCI and Molten DCI don't answer: The person stitching 5 things into one thing is always the protagonist, not the killer. This is why I don't think Charlie or Mike are the protagonists of the stories, at no point do they ever merge the 5 dead kids into one body. Charlie brings them back as individuals and Mike tries to free them. However if HENRY is the reason 5 become one, the storeis make more sense. 2. It removes the 'you don't have to buy them' issue people have mentioned. 3. It works alongside the Molten DCI, meaning you have all 10 murdered kids in those two bodies. As for why he would do this, I think it would be to help lure the puppet out of hiding. After all, Charlie and the original MCI kids have a very clear affinity for one another. Anywhere they go, she will go as well, trying to put them to rest. So she would recognize their souls/remnant whatever as being in this new animatronic, let her guard down to approach it, and then it does the whole Encapsulate Fuse Transport and Extract part of it's name. Additionally, being sold at public auction doesn't mean to random people. It's fully possible Henry showed up and bid for them all, he would have motivation to get them.
This is very cool cause it compensates for everything! However, makes me wonder if, for the story, the assumptions are too demanding. But, oh well. It’s fnaf. If Scott intended the short stories (or honestly most of the accepted lore) to be canon, anything is possible at this point!
@@shawnbay2211 Oh yeah, we are definitely all working way to hard and relying on to many assumptions, but that's half the fun of theorizing about fnaf. Even a theory that's categorically wrong can be an interesting thought experiment and lead us to think about elements we may not have noticed before.
So to this i say Occam's Razor is the biggest problem with the community Lefty is meant to lure and capture, we see he has puppet inside him, so Lefty = Puppet Simple. Now, the Candy Cadet stories being about a good person or whateva is a very recent thing that has appeared and used a "THIS IS THE BIGGEST TWIST EVER" but... Is it though? the stories basically fnaf themed Trolley Problem.
The problem is that the rockstars are in the top part of the pizzaria not in the maze and as we see, rockstars Were made By smiles and servos company with Henry. In fnaf 3 se can see the old fazbear frights pieces Were selled after the fire so Henry just by them and put the pieces in the maze, while the original souls and remnants are in the funtimes/Molten Freddy
It's weird how only now, people have noticed that in Help Wanted, the Ennard Vent Repair section shows 4 endoskeletons getting melted in a furnace-looking thing.
I have a little bit of proof that the Princess in PQ isn't Cassidy but Vanessa: There is an unused Voiceline that says "I have the Second Key" in the files which is linked to Vanessa in the Subtitles Data Table and "I have the seconds Key" only really makes sense in the Context of PQ. I posted some screenshots and the files in Alpine's fnaf creator server. The Princess is also not named Cassidy in the files anymore which means we can't really take that as proof.
That doesn’t mean that you can’t as proof that Cassidy is the princess because the first Pq is the mci, the 2nd pq is Cassidy talking to Omc and the princess is a golden princess like golden Freddy
2:54 shows all MCI kids BUT Golden Freddy. The Funtime animatronics could’ve also been possessed by the kids nabbed when the animatronics were rented out. I’d believe MoltenMCI if it excluded Cassidy. Also, RockstarMCI claims Henry took parts from the FNAF 1 place after FollowMe but before FNAF 3. MoltenMCI doesn’t fit fully with the cadet stories either. MoltenMCI claims an evil person put the five things together while the stories claim a good guy put the five things o together. Charlie could alone be possessing Lefty while Golden Freddy is who knows where or in the mediocre melodies because he never appears in follow me. This neither Henry nor William accounted for GF.
I would argue that it's because in "Give Gifts, Give Life" Golden Freddy never has the GF mask on and only the dead body appears in the first place, so wouldn't make sense to now give the mask because that never happened in the minigame it's showing, but we definitely know GF got life through the same minigame - despite that, it still IS showing the MCI so that we know ourselves that Henry is talking about the MCI We know no one took the shells before FNAF 3 though because we see them propped up and all around Fazbear's Fright, unless Henry only took maybe a leg and left the head/body etc - which seems odd to me. Golden Freddy also must be IN the fire due to what Cassidy says in UCN "no matter how many times they burn us" which would be an odd thing to say if they were never burned
@@HyperDroid Doesn’t seem so odd to take the innards, the endo skeletons of the animatronics, since the classics are reduced to shells by FNAF 3. It does make sense for Cassidy to have been in the two fires, whether as an actual Fredbear shell or a spirit who attached herself to Afton.
What if the reason why the safe rooms were sealed twice was: 1st: Henry sealing the rooms to prevent William silently killing kids via his costume after the MCI. 2nd: When Henry found William's "corpse" after he got springlocked.
In my opinion, molten mci is likely true, but I disagree with the notion that William obtained the remnant for the funtimes in the follow me minigames, because its heavily implied that those minigames took place on one night, as on each of them, you can hear thunder and see rain dripping down, so, unless it rained very heavily at night for every day of the week, William dismantled all the animatronics and gets springlocked in the same night, therefore making it impossible for William to have gone back the SL bunker to inject the remnant in the funtimes at this point in time. My guess is that William may have obtained the remnant for the funtimes before fnaf 1, in the 80s from the the original animatronics in an unseen event, possibly after the first freddy's closed and the follow me minigames depicts William's failed attempt to gather more remnant, which ultimately gets him killed. This could also explain what William was doing in fnaf 2, and why he committed the save them murders. He was attempting to create a new source of remnant for his experiments, and fritz smith (or Michael) tampering with the animatronics, was actually him attempting to gather up that remnant. However he gets caught, and is promptly fired, and the fnaf 2 location closes. At some point in 1993. Michael (now mike schmidt) is sent by William again to obtain more remnant, which he attempts to do after the end of his first week on the job, but is caught and fired again. After this, William sends michael to the SL bunker to put his sister "back together" ( though its probably to have him killed since he had proved to be a liability at his point) while William attempts to take the remnant from the animatronics himself, and this is where the fnaf 3 minigames happen.
Awesome video, i definitely agree on the points that you made within the video with some pretty great evidence for Funtime MCI. Also i found some more proof that the follow me minigames is after FNAF 1, and i was hoping if you want to hear them. Notherless great video about molten MCI.
As much as the safe rooms being sealed before fnaf 1 and Mike being fired for odor just being a joke really don't sit right with me and I think there's certainly other ways to interpret Henry's speech and Candy Cadet stories, I have to agree that MoltenMCI is still the simplest answer with way more proof going for it than any other alternative. Though I do think Id's Fantasy version of events could still work and I personally like it more, even though MoltenMCI is most likely the correct answer
Actually Mike being fired for odor doesn't have to be a joke, he was tampering with the animatronics and the animatronics have dead bodies stuffed in them and were never washed for 20 years, therefore Michael would be smelling a lot and Fazbear Entertainment could have thought this was just simple body odor or something like that.
@@giddy9831 It is but the player is Micheal Afton and as I said earlier, Phone Guys says the animatronics haven't been washed for 20 years and there is also dead children stuffed inside them and there is even a newspaper talking about blood and mucas coming from the animatronics so Micheal tampering with the animatronics would definitely give him a strong smell that could pass off as oder.
I like to believe they’ve already had their happiest day, because it depresses me that these kids have to suffer for 30+ years. That’s my only reason lol
Very nice! You hit all the major problems about the "paradox" of placing the Follow me minigames. Any way you see it you need to add major events that are not in the game: - pre-Fnaf2 - William was hired and killed kids while springlocked - between Fnaf2 and Fnaf1 - classics needs to be destroyed once again after Fnaf1 - after Fnaf1 - the safe room needs to be resealed and the Fnaf3 phone calls refers to ??? I personally prefer the "between Fnaf2 and Fnaf1" option (since buttons needs to be placed by hand on the models, and if Scott doesn't have that attention to detail, solving the lore is literally impossible with the amount of red herrings Scott throws in the games, but it really has the same evidence as the others. BONUS POINT An idea I had recently is you could interpret the Fnaf3 phone calls as happening during Fnaf2: "After learning of an unfortunate incident at the sister location [Fnaf2 location], involving multiple and simultaneous spring lock failures [bite of ‘87], the company has deemed the suits temporarily unfit for employees. Safety is our top priority at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, which is why the classic suits are being retired to an appropriate location, while being looked at by our technician. [ALL the classic suits are retired to the Fnaf1 building, both springbonnie and the withereds]. "
I don't think Golden Freddy's shell has to be broken and stuff, as for the amalgamation in TFC, GF's soul is still a part of it despite not having any of GF's shell.
even though I lean more towards rockstarMCI, I do believe both molten and rockstar mci can happen. Perhaps involving the second MCI, but that's more of a headcanon. What I did found curious was how the rockstars have 1 Risk while Lefty has 9 Risk, if following the rockstarMCI, it could be fun to think Cassidy possessed Nedd Bear just to spite Henry. Henry coming here as the savior of the souls yet he's forgetting TOYSNHK... sadly the risk """theory""" can't be really applied since Mr. Hugs and Music Man also have 1 Risk but it's good to think about
The biggest question of FNAF: how did henry know everything. He knew about each kill, the spirits, aftons experiments, even the marionette. He knew everything for someone we never saw at any point. What if in the beginning, Henry helped Afton while he was trying to get his daughter back and understand what happened to her.
Henry is the MCi killer who also attempted to murder William Afton (gray man in fnaf world who canonically created Baby) for speaking out about the SL animatronics. If you don’t know, the founder of Chuck E. Cheese is also the founder of the Atari, so William was using the his Atari technology to create fnaf world and preserve memories within forms of minigames. While he was handling this console back at the SL, he developed fnaf4 and whatever shit we’ve seen in update 2. He needed it to put the CC “back together.” “But William Afton is the kill-“ MCI killer literally drives a magenta car and the in a hallway filled with purple cars (Midnight Motorist). Scott is directly telling us he can tell the differences between magenta and purple. And Magenta is meant to be distinguished from purple objects. Besides, who else would be Baby’s creator? She was built for Elizabeth and we know it.
Also, in TFC (which seems to be a book copy of FFPS), it has an amalgamation of the MCI, so I would say that we can even use The Fourth Closet as proof for MoltenMCI.
10:07 I’d like to offer a much simpler idea. What if the rain damaged the pizzeria strong enough to slowly break the fake wall that leads to the safe room? It would be a natural reason for the wall to be open, and it could still happen after FNaF 1 ends. Super awesome video. I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on MoltenMCI. Although I’m not an MoltenMCI believer, I can now begin to see what Scott was trying to do with the idea of Remnant for the games. And even though I wish the MCI had a bigger presence in FNaF 6 in a more obvious and believable way, I still think it’s a very interesting puzzle piece of the FNaF lore to discuss about.
I’ve always viewed the safe room thing as like the location where Afton disabled the animatronics for remnant had the open safe room where he died in the golden Bonnie suit and perhaps a security guard found the remains of the animatronics and called Henry. Henry sees afton during then demands that all safe rooms be cut off and the new animatronics (most likely made of the scraps that were found) be updated with programming that doesn’t register the safe room. It makes it to where the safe rooms are only boarded up once and it makes sense as to how the parts of the possessed animatronics are moved into the new models
Personally, if Golden Freddy WAS taken apart off screen the minigames should have SOMETHING there that suggests that is the case, some remnant of them that tells us “Hey, Golden Freddy was taken apart!” But there’s nothing, not even a hint of a broken piece in the building, and considering Golden Freddy’s connection to Fredbear if they’re anywhere they SHOULD be the saferoom alongside Springbonnie. Golden Freddy’s probably not even a real suit, it’s either a projection form a unseen Fredbear suit (which as mentioned above should be in the saferoom alongside Springbonnie), or a literal spirit of sorts taking a ghostly form. As XD already mentioned, you know the one MCI kid that doesn’t appear when the screen shows the Puppet giving life? That’s right…it’s Golden Freddy. While MoltenMCI fits the Candy Cadet stories better, than any other theory, it’s still not a perfect fit (as it’s specifically the protagonist of the story who puts them together, not the antagonist. The reasoning you gave William to come back one last time seems to make some sense, I do think it’s worth saying that Scott pretty specifically told us to not use the novels to solve the games. While MoltenMCI does seem to be the best explanation we have, and it’s probably the canon answer, it does have its issues and flaws that do need to be addressed.
1. SteelWool didn't do anything. Scott is still the one writing the story. 2. Nothing was retconned. FNAF fans gotta stop throwing that word around whenever something they can't explain happens. 3. The Blob does not contain the original animatronic suits. Those are on display at Rockstar Row, and we can see that they're extremely old. The suits that are in the Blob are the Funtime Delivery Service replicas.
I have a totally different theory to almost every FNAF theorist I have ever heard, but I'm still assured of it's validity. Mostly because it's the most simple and hardest to disprove: I don't believe in any of the [blank]MCI theories. I just honestly believe they ended at Happiest Day post FNaF3 and are not a factor in the story after that. I don't think that your debunking of Happiest Day was adequate. It's quite clear that the Golden Freddy represented in it was Evan, the Crying Child, and not Cassidy. It was replicating the party he never got and he is the only victim, and one associated with Golden Freddy, who we ever know canonically died on their own birthday at Freddy's. As well as that, the Puppet mask falls slowly and falls last, which clearly seems to suggest that Charlie still has unfinished business. From there on it's quite simple. There are a lot of inferences that have to be made for MoltenMCI to work, but very few for a raw FuntimeMCI. Every single Funtime was designed to lure and kill children by some means. Just because Freddy is the only one with a listed storage tank doesn't mean the others can't capture or possess. Baby doesn't have one listed or shown on her blueprint, but she's also the only one we see canonical on screen capture a child. Even though Circus Baby closed after a day, the Rentals were open from an undisclosed period of time. It's not a stretch to assume that during that time, each Funtime was successful in capturing a child to be possessed by. From there it's just a straight line to Ennard to Molten Freddy. It makes more sense contextually that Molten Freddy as a character exists to tie up the loose ends of the possessed Funtimes introduced in SL after the original quadrilogy ended, while keeping Baby seperate, than to bring back the MCI children, who for the most part had been already been addressed and concluded through the confusing mess of soup spliting just to free them again in a single game. To address Candy Cadet, even if interpreted to mean MoltenMCI, it still would not be accurate. For one, even if it did occur, it wouldn't add up properly. William never deconstructed Golden Freddy, and even if he did so off screen, Golden Freddy contains 2 souls. So if MoltenMCI were correct, it would not be five things becoming one, but either 4 or 6. On top of that, the stories are about more than just "Five things becoming one." They are about one kind person who wants to protect 5 innocent beings equally, but fails to make a choiced and causes the death of them all. The act of combining them is always done in memorial by the kind person rather than malice by the perpetrator. MoltenMCI does not follow this at all, and is actually the total opposite. While I don't have a clear answer for what they mean either, just admitting that I don't really know I think is better than trying to force it into MoltenMCI. As for the gravestone ending, I don't think it means all of them had to have been present and passed on in PizzaSim. The connection between who is implied to be on the graves is that they were all the direct murder victims of William, not of a mechanical mechanism or malfunction. The 4 main animatronics are front and center, Charlie is in the back because she is not part of the Missing Children Incident case and happened before them. And Cassidy is obscured because although they were part of the group, they still have not moved on as shown in Ultimate Custom Night. With all that in mind, I think it's much easier to justify that the MCI simply aren't a factor in PizzaSim at that point in the timeline than to follow ANY of the theories that somehow link them to it. It's both simpler and more satisfying and causes far less conflict in the timeline.
No, The Happiest Day was made for Cassidy, in the Logbook there is an image that clearly shows this; with Puppet giving a cake to a girl, and above, talking about "what was your happiest day" (Something like)
Hmmm I always assumed Happiest day was for crying child and not Cassidy, I never considered it was her, or both for that matter. After thinking about it more. In addition, as the puppet walks up to the table at the end of the Happiest Game we see other Kids with masks that resemble the Mediocre Melodies- who Cassidy obviously controls in UCN. So neat detail ig.
Only 2 wrong things: 1- The MCI souls doesn't possess separate Funtime Animatronics. They're actually combined together. Also: only 2 Funtime Animatronics contains all of their souls merged together: Funtime Freddy and Funtime Foxy. Only those two makes FuntimeMCI. 2- MoltenMCI is not theory- it's CANON/FACT.
Another wrong thing: The Survival Logbook doesn't happen DURING FNAF 3. It happens DURING FNAF 1. The reason the Survival Logbook features the Funtime Animatronics, the FNAF 3 and 1 offices together is because he have some incosistences.
The MCI kids can't be in the funtimes. William dismantling the animatronics in the abandoned pizzeria would have to take place after fnaf 1. We know this because he has to be alive during fnaf 2 as the daytime guard. If Michael really is a stinky corpse as most believe during the events of fnaf 1, then that would mean he would have gotten scooped before William even dismantled the animatronics. Also, William only dismantled 4 animatronics, not 5, which conflicts with candy cadet's stories of 5 things becoming one. Golden Freddy's remnant couldn't be collected because there's nothing to collect it from. Lastly, William never even made it out of the pizzeria with the dismantled animatronics. They were still on the floor when he spring-locked himself, so how could he have possibly managed to get them out of the building?
>If Michael really is a stinky corpse as most believe during the events of fnaf 1 Which i really thoroughly disagree with, the SINGLE biggest point people make for EarlySL is just "wow Michael stinks, he much be a corpse". >William dismantling the animatronics in the abandoned pizzeria would have to take place after fnaf 1. This is agreed upon, yeah. >Also, William only dismantled 4 animatronics, not 5, which conflicts with candy cadet's stories of 5 things becoming one. Golden Freddy's remnant couldn't be collected because there's nothing to collect it from. We only SEE 4 dismantled, we also only see 4 in the location, we know there are 5 however, and a spirit for each. GFreddy could have easily been dismantled in his off-screen location, seeing as he cant, you know, MOVE. And there's 100% remnant left, hell it's likely he could have even taken the shell if there's no machinery and melted that down... >Lastly, William never even made it out of the pizzeria with the dismantled animatronics. They were still on the floor when he spring-locked himself, so how could he have possibly managed to get them out of the building? Note: All 4 animatronics have no endos, they're ONLY the shells. Where did the Endos go? Did they just undress conveniently the same time Afton dismantles them, and magically walk off into the sunset?? The Shells certainly have Remnant in them as well, but they likely werent his Priority like the Endos were...
The idea that the funtime anamatronics and circus baby rental was established as far back as 1983 (or post MCI imo) but the events we see in sister location take place after FNAF 1 is pretty interesting. Of course this also implies that the rental location was running for almost 10 years till Micheal gets there haha.
@@molamola9723 "due to the massive success and unfortunate closure of Freddy Fazbears Pizza" - its not exactly clear what location (or even if it means the franchise as a whole) handunit refers too. It could be post MCI, post FNAF 2 or even after FNAF 1
I feel like this video doesn't really counter most of the points made against Molten MCI, including those in the videos you mentioned, and moreso just re-explains why MoltenMCI seems to make sense on paper. Though, I hope you have a good day!
I feel like the Henry lines being used to support this, along with Candy Cadet, just fit too loosely. The callout of Michael's lines in the SL Custom Night ending are nice, but if the spirits are still around for FNAF 2 and/or 1, they can easily be interpreted as referring to those events. Admittedly, the context does make that quite weird, but... so do some of the Henry lines in my opinion. I will note that I'm not opposed to MoltenMCI in general, but I am opposed to FuntimesMCI, at least as of right now, and if we're going without FuntimesMCI then a lot of the backing of MoltenMCI becomes shaky. I'm not sure what I'd say my current interpretation is, but it's probably along the lines of ID's proposed theory in the SL timeline placement video. (Also, where do the MCI appear in FNAF 4?) I also think some of the widely-held theories mentioned in the Ultimate Guide are only mentioned because of how widely-held they are. Therefore, I feel like saying the Ultimate Guide is pointing us towards MoltenMCI is not quite catching the intent of the book. It's not really being used as evidence here, but I figured I'd point out my interpretation of it since the idea that the Ultimate Guide was pointing towards MoltenMCI was mentioned here. Other note: "most locations" implies at least 3, and probably more (why would you ever use the wording "most locations" to refer to 1 out of 2, or even really 2 out of 3?). My opinion is that there are various Fazbear locations, or locations under the FE umbrella probably across the state of Utah at some point, but it's unclear exactly when. It's probably not after FNAF 1 (I think the entire franchise is pretty dead by then), but it could easily be shortly after FNAF 2, and the FNAF AR emails make it somewhat clear that the franchise ran until at least 1993. I'm intrigued to see how a discussion about this will go in the GTLive stream. I'd be surprised if one didn't come up, since this is one of the more recent major theory debates, among many of the participating youtubers. See ya there!
Soul splitting sounds so badass and kinda makes all the easter eggs have a lore reason. Shadows? Soul splitting from agony (Rwqfsfasxc was kinda thought to be that anyway)! Phantoms? Afton's agony making ghosts of the past!....Nightmare? possibly agony from a recent head-related accident.
What about ArcadeMCI? In the safe room there were 3 arcade cabinets, while in FFPS there're 3 playable arcade minigames: Fruity Maze, Midnight Motorist and Security Puppet, each reveals a secret in round 3. What if those cabinets were possessed by the spirits after their animatronics got destroyed, and later reused by Henry to make these games? Now the spirits are trying to tell what they know about the past when Mike is playing the games.
I found you a few days ago, I think exactly this video cause I'm lookin for new FNAF theorists to help me expand my thoughts and understanding of the story as well as things I may have missed or not dive into to think about it deeply such as this, the MoltenMCI. This was an interesting video on the Missing Children and all your evidence are really strong. I did saw you at the Live playback of the discussion of FNAF at GT Live (I was asleep when that happen cause I think its like a 12 hour difference between my timezone and yours/the others in the stream) but I did watch through it and your theories are interesting and enjoyable. I kept laughing cause you were supporting John so much lol and I did see you made a video discussing about your theories with ID's Fantasy who's channel I found last week. I did saw you made videos on the Fazbear's Frights series and do hope you continue on that (if you don't, that's fine). Anyways, if you're coming back again to GT Live to join them again in October after the FNAF movie comes out (really excited bout that) or next year, it would be a blast. Your videos are entertaining as it helps me understanding the FNAF universe in, like MatPat said, in a new perspective and as beforementioned your theories are creative and keep going man, I support you! :D
About candy cadet: Only one kitten dies in the story about the little boy and his snake. Only one gets "put back together" which seems to be a direct reference to how William let one of his kids die to a snake in his house (Michael, who at this point in time is a horrible person) and consequently put him back together. Moreover, Charlie does seem to resemble the first story, about the children in prisons and her trying to help, but ultimately dooming them to imprisonment indefinitely, but does NOT resemble the last one, which seems to be about Henry, who is afraid a "burglar" is going to kill kids. So he takes them into his own home, and only when he is headed out does the burglar strike (similarly, it's suspected that only when Henry is away does Afton take his victims, as he did with Charlie for example.) The whole 5 persons in a box doesn't seem to resemble the MCI necessarily, but more closely, the 4 animatronics and Michael that die in the FNAF 6 ending, who get put to rest in the fire. Why is it not about the funtimes? Because 5 things turning into 1 is NOT then split over 4 other things, like it would be with the funtimes. That's kinda a crucial detail no? Unless the argument is that only 1 funtime is haunted, but seeing as you linked each individual animatronic to each individual funtime, that doesn't seem to be your argument. Moreover, Molten MCI assumes that all 5 MCI kids are molten into the funtimes (hence the whole candy cadet thing being connected, which I already argued why it shouldn't be but still, let's for the sake of argument say we ignore that for a moment) and 5 things molten into 1 thing, or to be more specific, 5 endoskeletons into 1 remnant puddle. But there is no 5 things, as Cassidy is in Golden Freddy together with the Crying Child, which means there would be 6. Also Golden Freddy doesn't have an endoskeleton, which would mean the ENTIRE thing would be molten down so there's no way that Crying Child wouldn't be there. No Crying Child does NOT move on prior, because they're still saying "it's me" to the player, also happiest day shows the puppet moving on with Crying Child and since puppet is still active, Crying Child should be too. I do agree with happiest day being in a nebulous zone as far as timeline goes.
Mr Droid excellent video and thank you for giving a satisfactory answer to one of my main gripes with MoltenMCI, Afton going back to retrieve the Springlock suit does make sense if each Follow Me minigame happens on a different night, and I look forward to you being on the GTLive livestream. While I think this video was an excellent defence of MoltenMCI I personally still disagree for a few reasons 1 I think that Follow Me happens during the course of one night(aftons general hurry to destroy the animatronics and get back in the safe room, the fact he doesn't take the animatronic bits with him(especially if he's building the funtimes with them) it being difficult to sneak in multiple times without fazbear noticing that Freddy is a bucket of bolts etc) 2 sister location has to happen early in the timeline in order for Mike to have the motivation to hunt down his father through FNaF 1 and 2 2.5 Baby has to be around to kill the only kid Afton ever liked and the Funtimes had to be built when afton wasn't ousted from the company(say when hes a major suspect for killing 5 more kids out in the open in 1987) and could use the likeness of Freddy, Bonnie and Foxy, and if Afton wasn't ousted from the company he'd be able to steal the haunted endoskeletons much easier after FNaF 2) 3 the sealing of rooms immediately without the ability to remove things makes better sense with the Springtrapping than the DCI, because in the case of the DCI they wouldn't need to close the saferooms, the murders happened out in the restaurant, and also Springtrap would need to be resealed in order for the Frights crew not to notice the saferoom until they were practically tearing down walls on their second go through 4 afton can't be sealed before FNaF2 because then the DCI(or whatever event the N6 call is supposed to refer to) can't happen("we had a spare in the back, a yellow one, someone used it, no none of them are acting right" My New Least Favorite Character FNaF 2 N6) On point 4 the timing you pointed out for the Springtrapping is driving me mad because it can't be before 2 or Night 6's call wouldn't happen(and that call is almost certainly referring to Afton, especially given the previous employee detail and can't be prerecorded because otherwise Jeremy wouldn't go to day shift) but it also can't be between two and one because the company didn't have the money for new robots and also the suits are still haunted but also can't be after FNaF one because Phone Guy is miraculously alive for one last call
>sister location has to happen early in the timeline in order for Mike to have the motivation to hunt down his father through FNaF 1 and 2 It... doesnt? We DO have several reasons for his motives in 1 and 2, but the likeliest is simply that he's William's puppet. FNAF repeatedly hints to this, including the FNAF 6 posters, and even a theory implying that Clara isnt Afton's wife, but a PoV that Michael relates to heavily, that HE has been in that position before. And additionally, in Sister Location, he wasnt hunting his father, he was certainly a grown man (as you'd expect of someone in their mid-to-late 20s, maybe even 30s) who came at the behest of his Father. If SL were before FNAF 2, he'd still be underage. >On point 4 I'm... not sure which part you're talking about here? You seem a bit confused. If you mean the FNAF 3 calls, those are MCI-era. At the Original 1985 location, where the MCI occurs. The Multiple Simultaneous Springlock Failures (who knows what this is...) happens, the suits are Retired. Afton uses the Springbonnie suit shortly after for the MCI, the use is noticed, the rooms are sealed up and the location closes shortly after. For the part that seems to be referring to FNAF 2's calls... Quite simple: Afton used Golden Freddy (potentially after having stuffed a child in it 2 years prior, TOYSHNK. POSSIBLY even Springlocked depending on the mode at the moment? But certainly worn around for DCI if it occurred.) FNAF 2 happens before Spring Bonnie was even a thing story-wise, thus he's one of the two possible Yellow Suits (including Chica just for completion-sake...), GF activates the same night that A Yellow Suit was used as well. Even with Springtrap's retroactive canonicity (like how the Puppet WAS at the FNAF 1 location, but was simply inactive/stored away), it still doesnt fit like GFreddy does. This ALSO gives more reason why TOYSHNK would be more vengeful than others. >but also can't be after FNaF one because Phone Guy is miraculously alive for one last call If referring to the FNAF 3 call again, it isnt post-93, it's still around 85.
@@higueraft571 okay one question, if the saferooms were sealed in 1985 as part of the MCI as you claim, how can afton get into the saferoom for Follow Me AND it be sealed properly(as phone dude needed an Architect to find it) That is why I say that the phone calls(or at least specifically the one ordering them sealed) are referring to Follow Me and where my confusion on timeline takes part, my concern about FNaF2 N6 isn't which suit Afton used to off a lunchtable of first graders it's the fact Afton was In the building on that day. As for Point 2 I redirect you to Point 2.5 separated specifically because it's more timeline than narrative(because while I personally think the Mike Puppet angle is detrimental to the story, I can admit that it has some possible evidence) Baby and the Funtimes have to be made before Follow Me because Baby needs to kill Elizabeth early in the timeline(she's what 8? 11?) and Afton wouldn't be able to make Funtime Freddy or Foxy without his place in the company, which he doesn't have in Follow Me because otherwise he'd just swap out the endos.
@@TheWizardMus >how can afton get into the saferoom for Follow Me AND it be sealed properly(as phone dude needed an Architect to find it) He breaks in, simply put. As for sealed? Hard to tell honestly. Phone Guy DOES speak as if it were really well hidden... or they simply were told it was a Place of Note they could check, not that it was hidden entirely. Remember, it's RIGHT next to the Bathrooms as well, in the north-east part of the building. The stuff they'd found most likely being from the southern portion of the map. Hallways, offices, maybe even the main hall. >it's the fact Afton was In the building on that day. Simple, he hasnt been springlocked yet. He is after 1. >Afton wouldn't be able to make Funtime Freddy or Foxy without his place in the company Except, why DOES he need to be in the company? The SL bunker was owned by Afton Robotics, a company owned by Afton himself. He had enough money after MCI to start his OWN Pizzeria and build his OWN animatronics. It's only AFTER Afton's death that SL's Bunker is claimed by Fazbear Entertainment. >because otherwise he'd just swap out the endos. And if he ALREADY built the Funtimes in 86, they already have Endos, ones likely incompatible with the FNAF 1s entirely. Reminder the FNAF 1s have all sorts of Shit in the suits themselves, crossbars and such that it'd be lethal to be crammed into forcefully, as mentioned. The Funtimes seem to simply be Shells, with the Endos providing ALL support. Functionally incompatible in every way.
@@higueraft571 >why DOES afton need to be in the company Freddy and Foxy as Fazbear characters, in order for them to be used by either Circus Baby's Pizza World OR Entertainment and Rentals they would have needed to be made while Afton was in the company otherwise he wouldn't have had his own characters >if he built the funtimes in 86... Yeah thats the point of MoltenMCI and why we're talking about Follow Me, Afton using the metal from Follow Me to make the Funtimes, which I'm disagreeing with because the Funtimes are early in the timeline >Sister Location endos wouldn't be compatible with FNaF1 Endos Here I was implying Afton would swap out the Endo 01s with other not-haunted Endo 01s if he wasn't kicked out of the company instead of doing Follow Me, apologies for the confusion
@@TheWizardMus there is zero evidence to suggest it takes place during one night. You are trying to apply characteristics about afton we have no idea. There is zero evidence that sister location is the motivation for Michael hunting his father. That's just something matpat made up and we don't even know that is his motivation. He could have been OK with William at the time. Also dude he is literslly the owner of afton robotics. He wouldn't ousted from his own company.
The happiest day ending could make sense as soon as after FNAF6. In fact I think the scene suggests that Cassidy wasn't part of it, and that CC is the crying child that gets the Fredbear mask and is released with the others. That's also reflected in the picture with the gravestones, where Cassidy's is the only one still hidden. There's nothing to suggest anyone other than Cassidy and William are in UCN.
Great video! I’m glad to see a strong defense for Molten MCI, as I firmly believe that this was Scott’s intent for the story. I still think that Follow Me takes place before FNAF 1, though. I think that if you look at all the calls in FNAF 3, it seems like Scott is giving context to what happens in the game (with all the recordings conveniently being focused on the springlock suits and safe rooms). So by the time Phone Guy says that the safe rooms are being locked and that if you leave anything in there, “it’s your own fault,” I think that we’re supposed to take that as an explanation for why Springtrap was found in the secret boarded up room mentioned by Phone Dude on the first night. I know it makes things weird with the FNAF 1 location still being open after it looks all worn and rat-infested in the mini game (and after William tore apart the animatronics), but I think that it best fits what Scott was trying to communicate with those Phone Guy messages in FNAF 3. And since Phone Guy had to be alive to record it, it takes place before FNAF 1. That’s my opinion anyway
Bruh fnaf 3 was meant to the final game where the animatronics are finally destroyed. They leave their bodies and achieve their happiest day. There is no way scott like ah yes yes are actually recreated during fnaf 1 and they were destroyed behind the scenes. It doesn't make sense from a story telling perspective and it makes william destroying the animatronics meaningess.
@@johnjordan211 I just assumed that there was a gap between William tearing apart the animatronics and the Happiest Day scene. I don’t mean to imply FNAF 1 is after Happiest Day. I think Happiest Day either occurs when Fazbear Fright burns or at the end of Pizzeria Simulator. Either way, that leaves time for the animatronics to be rebuilt for FNAF 1. I see what you’re saying though
Wait, people thought remnant was _stored_ in the scooper? Thought it literally says that the remnant on it is residual from scooping them. They had their endos made from living metal, not injected into them with the scooper. Granted, that would mean that they keep losing some with each scoop, and that they'd get a little bit of eachother when they do too. A little bit of them is in each other
I've said this before. No matter how many games come out, Happiest day will always be after that. Because souls being tied to 8-bit mini games and FNAF World make no sense without Princess Quest and Balloon World.
14:05 I don't think the safe room has to be sealed again. Phone Dude mentions that they want to check out the room, and that it was sealed in the past. However, he says that BEFORE they go there. So they can't really know if it is still sealed. You could say that they were already at that location and must have noticed it, but I am unsure on that. They found other stuff at the same day like the foxy head or the tapes, which were probably outside the room. So they definitely didn't check out everything yet. And for the reason why Springtrap didn't leave I have a pretty logical explanation: His AI doesn't allow it. Since he is in Animatronic Mode, he has to follow the Animatronics rules. We see that in fnaf 3, where he follows the sounds of children, like the AI is supposed to, showing it is stronger than William. But the aniamtronic AI also doesn't allow them to enter the room. So what happens when the robot already is in the room? It would make sense to completely break and not work at all anymore, refusing to move, since it would move inside the saferoom, which it isn't allowed to do. So that would explain why William didn't leave the room, despite it being open for 30 years. Well, this is at least my view on it, and I think it does make sense. Great video. Completely agreed
I don't think the theory is even that debated, the concern is what it means for the bigger story/timeline, like how are there active spirits in point xyz and how many MCIs were there?
so I watched the part and another question. so why was springbonnie there. he use that thing for at most decades to kill and murder. he left it there went to the Pizzeria got the remit only to go "you know I would really like that costume I lift there I'm going to go back what can go wrong"
@@draydenhotel9051 I mean why would he take it with him before? The pizzeria is where to suit is stored and where he used it. He probably thought that Freddy's would never open again so the suit no longer needed to be at the pizzeria
@@draydenhotel9051 Here's what I think in 1985 Afton used the Springbonnie to kill the OG MCI kids at the first Freddy's then leaves the Springbonnie suit there because FNAF 1 is the same Pizzeria the Withereds use to be at and then company reuse the Pizzeria because they were on a lower budget Also, here's a better explanation: th-cam.com/users/shorts2JcxAYXqd2c
@@draydenhotel9051 The suit was already in the safe room when Afton started to destroy the animatronics, he decided to destroy them firts and then get the suit back, now here's why the suit was sealedand how he lured the DCI to their death: The SpringBonnie suit was sealed away back in 1985 after the MCI as we learn in the FNaF 3 tapes, the yellow suit used by Afton in the 1987 is Golden Freddy because not only as mentioned was the SpringBonnie suit sealed away in the FNaF 1 location, but there's also a kid's drawing in FNaF 2 of Golden Freddy singing to some children meaning that the child who drew that, saw Golden Freddy (who wasn't part of the pizzaria as an official attraction), tought it was a new charecter and drew him, and another piece of evidence is the fact that Golden Freddy only appears in Night 6, the same night that we hear Phone Guy's call about "Someone used one of the suits, we had a spare in the back a Yellow one, someone used it[...]" and in the Save Them minigame when William killed the DCI Golden Freddy also appears a LOT bc Cassidy is obviously angry that William used her suit to kill more children (during the day the souls can't escape their program, only during the night, and the Whitereds were programed to stay inside the Parts & Services Room, meaning that Cassidy couldn't do shit when Afton used the suit). So there you, sorry for writing a literal page of a book but that's the only to explain FNaF as detailed as possible withouth leaving questions 💀
Tbh i think william got the remnant around 86 so he could work on the funtimes, and you know, i dont think it can happen after fnaf 1, since i think sl took place around 86, again thats why william would need the remnant for the funtimes, and after that michael would be mad at his father for uh, obvious reasons, and he would go after him, well thats my opnion/theory, great video though!
Counterpoint: Elizabeth's death and Pizza World's opening/closing SPECIFICALLY happens in 86. The funtimes existed yes. However they only got injected with the MCI Remnant after FNAF 1. After FNAF 2 at *THE* earliest.
@@alsodoto For one, Michael's a grown adult in SL, not a teenager :V Secondly, it'd be incredibly strange for William to have Remnant to inject BEFORE he can even collect any... The EARLIEST moment, when the Toys are scrapped/DCI, is 1987. The next chance is post-1993. (He technically obtained Remnant from one child in 1986, but that he didnt extract and use, clearly...) Not to mention SL happening before FNAF 2 implies that Ennard was fucking around for *39 years* after they escaped, without popping up again in the meantime. Rather than a few years between SL and 6. And as well, you can still be mad (or a puppet) without SL being directly involved?
see to me and my own opinion of it. even tho matpat's theory seems to be the most secure and backed up evidence on his theory of what happens and the timeline, i have noticed a few times in the past when he has a debate with people about the timeline or watching others videos and takes on it, he always tries to bring it back and use his own theory to try and say weather he thinks people are correct or not in parts of what they say. to me i think hes become too obsessed with the lore crafting that over the last year or so hes made theories which just dont seem to fit as nicely anymore like his theories used to and i think its because hes so fixated on his years of lore crafting tryna get his perfect timeline and events in place to happen that hes now just throwing wild cards in there rather than thinking things thru and the fact that no one really says to him to throw out his theory's completely for a minute or 2 just to hear a different timeline and events and try to build up any possible timeline from there to see if it can actually work like he spent years on his own. the video he did reacting to ID's fantasy's video shows this because at least half of the time he wasnt happy or agreeing with the theory, happened to be when it didnt fit with HIS timeline instead of considering another timeline if enough time was put into figuring out how that could all work, could likely actually be the correct timeline or sort of events to go ahead with. i do get that hes probally tryna back up his years of evidence and lore and timeline hes spent doing so but i think its made him slightly toxic and neglectful that other timelines can be at play here if not multiple timelines that exsist and cross over to have more than one story or set of events.
5:41 I personally disagree, I think Candy Cadette said in his stories that. Someone good helps, a bad guy does something bad, good guy combine 5 things into 1. That to me doesn’t line up with Molten M.C.I. Aubergine Man destroys, takes, combine 5 things into 1, and seperates it into 3. Also FredBear could be possessed by both Cassidy & Evan so that’s 6 in total, not 5.
I feel like that all of the major fnaf TH-cam’s who are working on piecing everything together nowadays are getting points right here and there but not all of them have everything correct, they all just have a piece of the puzzle
My theory for Golden Freddy not having a suit is explained by his design change from FNAF 2 to 1. There is no reason whatsoever for Fazbear to redesign and build a new Golden Freddy suit for the FNAF 1 location. Fredbear was already long decommissioned and maybe even involved in the FNAF 2 murders. We know from the SAVE THEM mini game that the Golden Freddy suit WAS still physically present in the location, but my theory is that it was completely scrapped (maybe even by William) but that Cassidy's soul stuck with the MCI Kids. Her form alters to fit that of the FNAF 1 redesigns, and maybe even to that of the Sister Location animatronics (hence Yendo) which is why GF looks like FNAF 1 Freddy post 1987. Some people might argue that the FNAF 1 designs are supposed to be the same as the FNAF 2 ones just through a different art style, but I say this is bullshit as we see the two eras coexisting in FNAF 3. If the FNAF 2 designs were a visual retcon, then Scott would have just used their models as the old parts in Fazbear's Fright. However, there's not a single time post FNAF 2 that we see the suits looking like they did on the Witherds. They are always shown to be the FNAF 1 suits. Even in Security Breach. Therefore I definitely agree that Golden Freddy by the time of FOLLOW ME has no physical suit, or, if there IS one, Afton just took it's remnant at another time (again, potentially as far back as 1987). Although honestly I think it makes more sense if Cassidy just follows as a spirit to wherever the MCI kids end up, hence why we don't see GF physically after FNAF 1 (except maybe Yendo).
Call me dumb but there's one thing I'm confused at, how would William even steal their Endoskeletons if: 1. Their body (and presumably their Endoskeletons) are still on the floor when we play as the ghost or Cassidy probably. He also said it himself that Golden Freddy was destroyed, but we never saw where. It would've been better if a Golden Freddy suit was in the room he died in, along with the Spring-Bonnie suit, yet it isn't there. 2. He dies as the bodies of the Endoskeletons were on the floor. How would he even take them into his office to melt them down if he died? The theory of Michael helping his dad would work, other than the fact that he wouldn't let his dad just rot there. Someone commented something about Henry melting the animatronics to lure in Charlie as she's always there where the MCI are, which would make more sense seeming as Michael or William Couldn't have done it. 3. As ID's Fantasy has said, the buttons on the mini-game's animatronics show that they're the fnaf 2 animatronics. Yes, he said that it could be just the mini-game sprites being inconsistent and shows FNAF World as an example, but in FNAF World, Bonnie doesn't have buttons however the one in the Follow Me mini-game has. This just basically confirms that they got turned into the FNAF 1 animatronics, which takes place AFTER William's death due to the Phone Guy knowing about the hidden room. So he could've NEVER gotten a hold of the MCI's remnant. If I have made inconsistencies or said something stupid, please correct me in the comments as well as feel free to argue your thoughts about this theory. I'd love to hear people's thoughts about this one
I'd argue that it wasn't William who put the MCI kids' remnant in the funtimes, it was Henry, experimenting with remnant to try and find a way to free the spirits. We know with some certainty that William was trying to obtain remnant, and we know that someone experimented with remnant since Henry has some understanding of it in FNAF 6, but we don't have any evidence that it was William who did that in the games timeline. Henry being the one who injected the Funtimes would better fit the Candy Cadet stories. In the story with the man and the orphans and the story with the boy and the kittens, the person who puts the five dead things together is separate from the killer but was supposed to be responsible for the five things' safety, just like how Henry, as one of the owners of the restaurant, should have been responsible for keeping the children safe.
the problem with that is that 1: the funtime animatronics in sister location wanted to kill mike because they were already possessed by souls 2:ennard/molten freddy is a literal killing machine, henry would be killed if he tried to put remnant in ennard/molten freddy
If William broke into the sealed-off saferoom, I don't think it was sealed up again. I think William took apart the animatronics after the fnaf 1 location closed, maybe. And so no one noticed him in the room for all those years. Especially since near the saferoom, there's that boarded up area (maybe the entrance to the pizzeria?)
In my opinion Molten MCI. Well doesn't make much sense. I have a few points I'll go over here. Firstly the fnaf 3 dismantling/destroying minigames. Now you might be asking yourself "how? Afton gets the reminent then goes down to sister location" but I suggest it makes more sense to say, Afton didn't leave and couldn't go back to the sister location even after getting the remnant, and here is why. Think about it logically, do you really think afton would destroy an animatronic, go back to the bunker, turn it into remnant, then come back destroy and other and so on. It seems more logical that he destroys ALL of them and THEN plans to go back but just as he was getting ready to go the spirits from the suits awaken and trap him in springbonnie. It's my opinion that even if afton WAS planning to get the remnant there but doesn't manage to. But then you might ask yourself how the funtimes are so lively. Well I think it's just programming. Either way to my next point. EVEN IF the MCI victims are in the funtimes.. then why would they wanna join all together exactly? Like they were originally separate souls, so coming into one body doesn't help, if anything it will make a mess even if all the necessary peaces are there. Also soul splitting is just impossibly unlogical. Going to a point that was made in the video that the spirits were dark remnant/ agony, as far as we know shadow bonnie (and maybe shadow freddy too) is made of agony/ dark remnant, do you notice anything only present in them? Yea their dark coloration. They are black or dark purple, going back to the souls, they are white and gray. Nothing shadowy or agony alike in them. So while it is a good point I disagree. While I do believe agony/ dark remnant is in the games, seeing as it's mostly what the blob is made of, so I don't believe it comes into play until later on. This is already pretty long do I'll wrap it up. To summarise, Afton didn't get the remnant back, and was later springtrapped and was later brought back to life as sparingtrap by either his remnant binding to the suit or the agony that's all over the place (either way it works) and thus the spirits are still in the fnaf 1 location where they get their happiest day, but some stay, don't move on. Notice how the puppet's mask fell slower then the others, and the puppet came back later. This I believe is a point to be made so we'll put a pin in it while you ask "well what about golden freddy?" Which leads me to the fact golden freddy might have 2 souls, Cassidy and the CC which later gets set free in happiest day and the puppet remains to make sure Afton doesn't do anything while Cassidy also remains waiting for the opportunity to get revenge on Afton.
>how the funtimes are so lively. They're literally haunted, they're injected with Remnant, this is not up for debate. >then why would they wanna join all together exactly? >they were *originally* separate souls And then Afton blended them together and shoved all their separate amputated bits into the Funtimes. Becoming Ennard is the ONLY way for them to be Whole Again. >Also soul splitting is just impossibly unlogical. Except it happens, it's a major reason for Ennard's actions, and it's shown QUITE a few times. Including in the books. And doubly so if you consider Happiest Day to take place in FNAF 3... Why IS it "impossibly unlogical" to split someone in half? Light/Dark Remnant 100% exists, yeah, the books also back this up. HOWEVER, i will note that Agony =/= Dark Remnant, it's simply a TYPE of Dark Remnant, not the whole half. About as much as Love is the whole Half of Light Remnant. As for the souls? They mix both aspects, Black tears, White bodies, a WHOLE soul, Light and Dark combined. I definitely doubt Afton didnt put his Soul Juice in the Funtimes, though. Where would the Endos be?
@Higuera ft I see your points but it just seems illogical. I've said it before Afton wouldn't just take one sould get the remnant then go back to the underground the come back for another. But even if he WAS doing that why come the last time? For the springbonnie suit? Why would he bring it with him in the first place, he was doing just fine without it. And as for ennard that wouldn't fix the issue. They can't guarantee they'll collect their lost peaces. If anything it would just make a larger mess.
*I hope, and would be glad if you see this.* 7:50 Well, I accept what you say in the video, but I say that William is a narcissist. I think William felt unsecure at there, and he didn't want to be seen as weak. So he asked for what was completing, fulfilling him. SpringBonnie. Nothing we have as proof shows William was a good and loving father. But we have novels. Tragic-Dad Willy is problematic, and it is just a head canon, and my narcissist William is provable. William Afton is a misunderstood guy for me, even from "Game Theory." Without suspicion, William is a narcissist. He uses his children as a way of fulfilling his ego. Because he considers his family as well as the Afton surname as the masters, he has no worry or fear of taking action to keep their mastery. He does experiments with the aim of "repairing" his family and living eternally. He believes that because he planned out every move, he is perfect. However, he will always be a weak psychopath. His jealousy towards Henry evolved from the losses in his family and, also, from his own mechanical knowledge being worse than Henry's. In order to appease his ego, he torments his family, which fulfills his ego. Because he believes that he deserves a child more than Henry, he kills Charlie after Evan gets "broken." According to FNaF's official novel books, William is a sadistic maniac, which looks like having narcissistic personality disorder. And a sadist like him who pushed Elisabeth away can't be a normal human before. He was probably manipulating Henry and showing himself as a friend but at the same time getting jealous on him, hurting his children but at the same time keeping them feeling glad to have a dad like him, manipulating his wife (corrected from soap opera in SL) before she realizes that William is a narcissist, and after that ms. Afton breaks up with him so he kills her to make her never escape from him again.
You probably will hear this a lot, but HandUnit says Circus Baby's Pizza Worl was open after the closing of a Freddy's, so the funtimes were probably created in or after 1985. Also, I think the Foxy in the FNaF 3 location in the Logbook is probably an artwork plothole, not much.
@@tamaritamarileonardo394 The opposite also works, Mangle could be based off Funtime Foxy and not vice-versa. Either way, it still is after 1985. Also, about the logbook, I would say it is the most reliable book we have by far, however, considering how even the most important lore-wise have mistakes in them, I am pretty sure the foxy thing is just a continuation error. The logbook, despite probably being used in FNaF 3, needs to have been written before FNaF 3, because it is for a security guard at an official Freddy's location.
@@tamaritamarileonardo394 Mangle is a toy animatronic, we know this because of the Phone Guy. Also, the Toy animatronics have endoskeletons, we just usually don't see them, and also because Scott Cawthon did not model them fully since it was unecessary. There is no evidence Mangle was based off Funtime Foxy, but there is no evidence Funtime Foxy was based off Mangle either, they just look similar, probably because they are based on the same character interpretation for Foxy. Also, the Logbook artwork is not the most important part of the book, so i think it is a continuity error, although it could not be. Mostly flawless does not mean no flaws.
I think the Molten MCI happened but not the way everyone thinks. For me, Afton took the Remnent off the animatronics before the FNaF 2 gameplay, because remember that PHone Guy mentioned the last night guard compleined about the night shift, so they moved him to the day one. This guard is Afton, and I think the moltem MCI is just him taking Remnent from the withered animatronics and mixing. But this is only a theory. What do you think? Am I right or not?
EXTREMELY unlikely, FNAF 2 and FNAF 1 they're still possessed. And why would he be there after FNAF 1 to... take Remnant from something he already drained?
I think MCI happens in 1985 and William get the remnant of that death children and put in the funtimes and Puppet put the souls on the original animatronics of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza and then Mike goes to Circus Baby's entertainment and rentals because his father (William Afton a.k.a Purple guy) wants Mike to liberate his sister knowing that he gonna die because he was angry at Mike because he commits an accident where Fredbear bites Evan/Chris/Crying child/Bite victim 1# and he wants Mike to pay for that because Crying Child was important for a experiment of William and he goes mental and his mental sanity gets worst because Elizabeth's death, Mike died but he resurrects because the S.c.u.p a.k.a Scooper have a small portion of remnant and after that William in 1987 kills another kids, I have evidence in the Save them minigame that William kills another kids well this children that died in there I think they have possesed themselves the toys and after that it happens the bite of 87 where I think that Mangle do that and after he/her/yes/it/them do that the souls of the toys gets free and they goes to heaven and they want to free the souls as we see in some of the minigames of FNAF 3 where appears Balloon boy, Mangle and Toy Chica when they get a cake and you have to give to the crying children
This is why molten mci is problematic, im 1000% convinced it’s supposed to be cannon, but it serves to further complicate the already complex placement of sister location witch is im pretty sure supposed to be pretty early in the timeline but makes everything else confusing if molten mci is correct
>im pretty sure supposed to be pretty early in the timeline Definitely disagree. William is indisposed for SOME reason, Michael is sent. Michael's a grown adult. If this was pre-2, he'd still be a teenager at best, not a grown man living alone watching Soap Operas and getting paid at work...
i think its very confusing, i dont think rockstarMCI works based on what you said in the video but i dont entirely agree with MoltenMCI as i feel like the funtimes can be posessed by any kids they catch. The character encyclopedia also says that happiest day happens after fnaf 3 but the puppet stays, this would mean the bite victim was golden freddy which makes sense given the happiest day layout is reversed of fredbears (which i believe). But then where is cassidy, why is she not being freed while the others are. and i guess you could say cassidy attached to william but it just gets so confusing. I think the missing children were freed by the end of fnaf 6. im down to think that they were freed in fnaf 3 but i dont think the core 4 stayed past 6. i think since the graves are in the same positions as the head, it may be trying to convey that happiest day occurs then (it could just be to show which kid posessed each animatronic). MoltenMCI makes the most sense out of the theories but i dont entirely agree. actually both fnaf 3 and 6 seem to occur in the same year so maybe thats the confusing part. hopefully this isnt too difficult to read, i hope we get clarification as to what is actually accurate, we barely get anything confirmed and it just gets more confusing as time goes on
@@tamaritamarileonardo394 but the character encyclopaedia says that the puppet stays behind to my knowledge. I know we can’t really trust the character encyclopaedia but we need to take it into consideration
@@tamaritamarileonardo394 yea true the balloons are very important, I forgot about those so thanks for bringing them up. And if they all go up then why would the puppet be the only one still there. So you make a good point. Maybe whoever wrote the book tried to think of a way to explain it without thinking that happiest day may not actually take place in fnaf 3. Hopefully Charlie isn’t still around so we can have some concrete knowledge of who’s still around and if happiest day has happened yet
@@tamaritamarileonardo394 yea that makes sense, especially since they keep bringing people back, also there’s no real way to debunk it other than a timeline placement being confirmed so that makes life easy
unfortunately they kinda get left behind, I'm pretty sure they just get murdered before FNAF 2, posses the Toys, but since they get scrapped and taken apart after like a week their spirits weren't able to make any important moves or do too much
I think this is a well built argument for MoltenMCI. I just have a couple nitpicks that I wish for you to clarify for me to accept the conclusion 1) You bring up CandyCadet's Story in favor of MoltenMCI. This only works if Golden Freddy's body exists. I don't think it does, as you say about the concept of agony. I believe Golden Freddy's physical body doesn't exist. We have never seen Golden Freddy wander around the pizzeria, or ever being suggested to be stuffed into suits or being given life. In fact Golden Freddy being a manifestation of agony makes perfect sense to why there is a "vengeful spirit". They have never had a physical body to begin with, it's why Scott never showed it being dismantled in the follow me minigames. Which is why I don't find your argument "Scott ran out of nights to show it occur and it happened off screen" as a reliable argument, when we have seen that Golden Freddy's incarnation has always been supernatural and never physical. Hence why people are disagreeing with the Candy Cadet being a direct parable In addition, for Candy Cadet's story to be narratively a 1:1 One story is orphans and a burglar kills them, and the old man decides to stitch five bodies together and put them into a coffin. Another story is the five keys where a lady melts five keys into one to save five children. It’s very clear that Charlie doesn’t stitch them up into one, it’s why the MoltenMCI comparison with Candy Cadet’s story doesn’t work as Charlie isn’t the one who makes them into one. She only gives life to the 4 kids. Not 5 either. She never gave life to Golden Freddy, hence why Golden Freddy doesn’t have a physical body. It is a spirit. The only other story that makes sense the kittens one, which suggests that the kid isn't the one who did the killing, rather the snake did, and he simply stitched up the kittens. It’s very clear Charlie can’t be the child as Charlie has never been ignorant to evil and has always been trying to rectify the evil 2) If Sister Location happens after FNAF 1, who is the protagonist of FNAF throughout all the games? Sister Location happening before FNAF 2 gives Michael's motivations throughout the games to be a security guard to find his father. MoltenMCI leaves no narrative consistency for Michael's motivations (assuming he is the protag). I would assume you think it is Michael since you brought up the logbook and Michael seeing phantoms is because of the trauma of the past locations (I disagree with the point that it is agony, as we can see Michael have palpitations and fainting (which is consistent with PTSD). We also see Michael burning down FNAF 3, which suggests that Michael has been going door to door burning down the pizzerias. Though I admit that is a major leap as we never see the buildings burn down. 3) I think the most strongest argument against RockstarMCI and other alteratives against Molten MCI that was given was indeed the phone guy lines. It's puzzling to me as we only know of 4 locations prior to sister location being fredbear's family diner, FNAF, FNAF 1, and FNAF 3. There have never been any other indications of other freddy chains besides existing in the games. Your photo of the newspaper blurbs aren't talking about other Freddy Chains as it is singular not plural. You are making a huge leap to suggest it's other freddy chains that it's mentioning when Scott himself readily admitted that he was not constructing the lore of FNAF when he made FNAF 1, which suggests the newspaper blurbs are about the FNAF 1 location. I think this sums up my problems with the theory you are proposing, for me I believe criticism 2 is more important and the rest tertiary as I believe Sister Location happening prior to Fnaf 2 creates more narrative consistently overall for the story as a whole and who we play and the reasons why they do their actions.
Is not dumb to say they were locked twice if we assume that William committed his crimes as a security guard, which means that he probably had a way to open them and use them to hide the bodies unbeknownst to the company hence why the animatronics can't access the room during the mini-games but William does and then the spirits corner him in the room because we'll they can go through doors. They were first locked because of the investigation and to prevent it from happening again and then opened when the dust settled only to find his corpse there and lock it again.
What about Sister Location happening during William staying in the safe room. It would explain how an un-springlocked William actually told Michael to go down into the bunker at the start of Sister Location, as Michael says William told him what to do in explicit detail, and how the Funtime animatronics weren't being rented out during Sister Location, because William wasn't there to actually rent them out. Ennard could of easily went to go to the old FNAF 1 location after leaving Michaels body, because thats where he new William was. Baby knew Michael wasn't William but the Funtimes didn't so when they went to look for William they couldn't find him after he was sealed away and took the remnant/agony from the original animatronic endos. The Funtimes have remnant, as why would they attack someone who they thing is their creator, but they don't have to be split from the original animatronics. Instead they could be injected by remnant from the kids William used for his remnant experiments. The original souls are obviously not soul splitas they're full spirits are shown in the FNAF 3 minigame, but since they became one with the original animatronics, who were used to make the Toy Animatronics, the Toys have remnant/agony from the originals in them as the actual remnant infused parts were used to make them. So after William took the toys, he injected the remnant from them into the Funtimes.
Tbh I think Molten MCI was always cannon, and people who are just having trouble believing it just triggers me! Let's have a Scott logic! I mean, why the hell would Henry care about the Funtime spaghetti if they weren't possessed? Why show the Molten MCI plot in the Fourth Closet? We know the books have parallels that help with the lore! It would make sense for the series to have one of the final threats to be the MCI! The series ends with what it started! The MCI!
The only problem I see with MoltenMCI is that if Golden Duo is true than the candy cadet stories can't work to support it due to the fact that it wouldn't be 5 becoming 1 it'd be 6 becoming 1 and that I think if it was 5 becomes 3 becomes 1 the stories wouldn't have said 5 separate things become 1 combined thing with no in-between it would've at least implied a 3rd step. With that gone I don't know any other thing that implies MoltenMCI. Also you never mentioned the possibility of the Rockstars just being there. The pizza place in SB has both heavy stages so its possible. Lefty doesn't need to be on the stage for the completion ending leaving an extra space for whatever else. Also, we don't see any dismembered/burnt robots outside the ones in the blob so we can't prove they weren't all in the pizzeria by the end of the week. (or whenever the place burned.) And as well as that I'm pretty sure phone dude said they didn't find a full suit the shells we see in fnaf 3 might have just been extras for the animatronics or something, maybe Henry only took bits and pieces or maybe he just took the endoskeletons like Afton does in the MoltonMCI situation.
If im being honest, i dont really understand why people are so adamant about molten MCI being a "fact" or "confirmed" theory when most of the "evidence" for it, like Henry's dialogue in fnaf 6 and candy cadet's stories are all really based on interpretation, and don't require you to take molten mci into consideration for them to make sense. Moreover, the idea that William transported the animatronic parts to the SL bunker in follow me to later melt them down into remnant to inject in the funtimes only works if follow me takes place on multiple days, as william wouldnt have time to do this otherwise, and its heavily implied that follow me happens on one night and that the animatronics were dismantled in the same time frame, as evidenced by the ongoing rain in each minigame.
@@freegracetruth77 retcon fnaf was supposed to end in fnaf 3, scott didn't intend to create ennard or the funtime animatronic when fnaf 3 was released
@@tamaritamarileonardo394then why do pictures of the rockstars appear in the office? RockstarMCI also makes sense time wise because William running back and forth between his workshop and the pizzaria always felt weird but the animatronics being destroyed, William getting killed and Henry sealing him off and building the rockstars with the animatronics feels better. Also, the AR emails and faz-facts are confirmed canon by Scott and one of them said Rockstar Bonnie was built off of the original Bonnie. Without RockstarMCI, this maked no sense. Obviously Rockstar Bonnie is based on Bonnie, why would we need a whole fact telling us that. Now yes, the rockstars not being needed for the true ending is somewhat damming but LeftyMCI makes up for that. Imo, RockstarMCI or LeftyMCI are equally plausible but I lean more towards RockstarMCI because otherwise they're completely insignificant
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I hope you will convice matpat that glitchtrap and burntrap are not afton
I still believe ID'S theory in which sister location is between mci and fnaf 2.
You really make good theories, i'm not just talking about what you say, but also how you say it; you make everything clear while talking, you clarify every concept a second time to make sure the viewer is not confused and doesn't misunderstand something, you are not afraid to aknowledge the weak points of your theories, you don't ignore other theorists' opinions on the subject and you confront them and you don't discard sources that might go against your theory. other than that you also make everything clear with a fine editing which provides key words and pictures/scenes of what you are talking about. about this one i completely agree; ID's fantasy solution to matpat's theory(in which he contraddicts himself about sister location/moltenMCI) makes sense on paper, but overcomplicates the story, and is mostly based on "off camera events" that would be very poorly hinted in the games/books if true. as matpat says, usually the simplest and direct line of events is more likely to be true than an overcomplicated one.
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I just wanna mention another detail, I’m confident that one of the reasons the “safe room being sealed twice” is because it happens once after the MCI, resulting in Springbonnie getting sealed inside the wall, and again in Follow Me, resulting in Springtrap getting sealed behind the wall. We know these two events exist to parallel one another because of Henry’s speech, and because of William’s line in Fruity Maze.
This solves a crucial detail about FNAF2: that William uses Fredbear instead of springbonnie in the DCI. SB was inside a wall, and remains there until William comes back years later.
@HorrorLover Dead Children Incident
It's stupid, but some people believe the children we see at fnaf 2 are a separate set of kills than the original. Simply because they "don't look the same" as if the FNAF 2 minigames were ever about accurately telling the details and not about making a abstract point.
@@punusername3445 well we know those are different kids, the missing children died at the FNAF1 restaurant in 1985, but we know kids died in the FNAF2 location in 1987 because William was the security guard (as we see in the minigame, and as Phone Guy describes).
Its not them looking different because they look the exact same lol
@@derekmartin5340 we have no official dates to the MCI dude, no *we* don't *know* when it happens, like, where did you even got 1985 from??
@@punusername3445the books
@@punusername3445 i used the books because thats the year given in both the novels and the frights series, but sure thats not confirmed in the games.
Even still, we do in fact know the MCI happened before 1987 or FNAF2 because the first Freddy’s has to shut down for the second to open. Meaning those kids at the FNAF2 location can’t be the same ones.
This is a cool theory with some awesome evidence to back it up!
In my mind I always thought the ending of FnaF 3 was complex because of Agony. If its a thing in the games (which I believe to be the case) then the children can still be set free (making the good ending canon) but the bad ending can also be canon because of the leftover agony that's inhabiting the suits. Thus, both can still happen.
I was literally gonna say “I don’t even know what MoltenMCI is about” at the beginning but thank you for explaining it to me before I typed that
This is the first time someone told me the molten mci theory in a way that it made a lot of sense
I posted this on the Rockstar MCI video, but I think I have an answer to a few of the issues brought up with it:
L.E.F.T.E. MCI.
What if Henry did rebuild the originals into the rockstars, but extracted all their remnant and put it into LEFTE. This solves a few issues for me.
1. It works with the Candy Cadets' stories, and it helps explain something that's always bugged me about them that Molten MCI and Molten DCI don't answer: The person stitching 5 things into one thing is always the protagonist, not the killer. This is why I don't think Charlie or Mike are the protagonists of the stories, at no point do they ever merge the 5 dead kids into one body. Charlie brings them back as individuals and Mike tries to free them. However if HENRY is the reason 5 become one, the storeis make more sense.
2. It removes the 'you don't have to buy them' issue people have mentioned.
3. It works alongside the Molten DCI, meaning you have all 10 murdered kids in those two bodies.
As for why he would do this, I think it would be to help lure the puppet out of hiding. After all, Charlie and the original MCI kids have a very clear affinity for one another. Anywhere they go, she will go as well, trying to put them to rest. So she would recognize their souls/remnant whatever as being in this new animatronic, let her guard down to approach it, and then it does the whole Encapsulate Fuse Transport and Extract part of it's name.
Additionally, being sold at public auction doesn't mean to random people. It's fully possible Henry showed up and bid for them all, he would have motivation to get them.
This is very cool cause it compensates for everything! However, makes me wonder if, for the story, the assumptions are too demanding. But, oh well. It’s fnaf. If Scott intended the short stories (or honestly most of the accepted lore) to be canon, anything is possible at this point!
@@shawnbay2211 Oh yeah, we are definitely all working way to hard and relying on to many assumptions, but that's half the fun of theorizing about fnaf. Even a theory that's categorically wrong can be an interesting thought experiment and lead us to think about elements we may not have noticed before.
So to this i say
Occam's Razor is the biggest problem with the community
Lefty is meant to lure and capture, we see he has puppet inside him, so
Lefty = Puppet
Simple.
Now, the Candy Cadet stories being about a good person or whateva is a very recent thing that has appeared and used a "THIS IS THE BIGGEST TWIST EVER" but... Is it though? the stories basically fnaf themed Trolley Problem.
The problem is that the rockstars are in the top part of the pizzaria not in the maze and as we see, rockstars Were made By smiles and servos company with Henry. In fnaf 3 se can see the old fazbear frights pieces Were selled after the fire so Henry just by them and put the pieces in the maze, while the original souls and remnants are in the funtimes/Molten Freddy
What if instead of the MCIs becoming Lefty, Henry turned the MCI into Molten Freddy as a way to lure Charlie and THEN capture her with Lefty?
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It's weird how only now, people have noticed that in Help Wanted, the Ennard Vent Repair section shows 4 endoskeletons getting melted in a furnace-looking thing.
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I have a little bit of proof that the Princess in PQ isn't Cassidy but Vanessa:
There is an unused Voiceline that says "I have the Second Key" in the files which is linked to Vanessa in the Subtitles Data Table and "I have the seconds Key" only really makes sense in the Context of PQ.
I posted some screenshots and the files in Alpine's fnaf creator server.
The Princess is also not named Cassidy in the files anymore which means we can't really take that as proof.
That doesn’t mean that you can’t as proof that Cassidy is the princess because the first Pq is the mci, the 2nd pq is Cassidy talking to Omc and the princess is a golden princess like golden Freddy
A problem I have with the candy cadet stories Is that in all of them, the person trying to save the things is the one that fuses them together.
2:54 shows all MCI kids BUT Golden Freddy. The Funtime animatronics could’ve also been possessed by the kids nabbed when the animatronics were rented out. I’d believe MoltenMCI if it excluded Cassidy. Also, RockstarMCI claims Henry took parts from the FNAF 1 place after FollowMe but before FNAF 3. MoltenMCI doesn’t fit fully with the cadet stories either. MoltenMCI claims an evil person put the five things together while the stories claim a good guy put the five things o together. Charlie could alone be possessing Lefty while Golden Freddy is who knows where or in the mediocre melodies because he never appears in follow me. This neither Henry nor William accounted for GF.
Golden Freddy is the last child we control on the follow me minigames, i thought it was clear
@@punusername3445 GF was always incorporeal, even before Follow Me.
I would argue that it's because in "Give Gifts, Give Life" Golden Freddy never has the GF mask on and only the dead body appears in the first place, so wouldn't make sense to now give the mask because that never happened in the minigame it's showing, but we definitely know GF got life through the same minigame - despite that, it still IS showing the MCI so that we know ourselves that Henry is talking about the MCI
We know no one took the shells before FNAF 3 though because we see them propped up and all around Fazbear's Fright, unless Henry only took maybe a leg and left the head/body etc - which seems odd to me.
Golden Freddy also must be IN the fire due to what Cassidy says in UCN "no matter how many times they burn us" which would be an odd thing to say if they were never burned
@@HyperDroid Doesn’t seem so odd to take the innards, the endo skeletons of the animatronics, since the classics are reduced to shells by FNAF 3. It does make sense for Cassidy to have been in the two fires, whether as an actual Fredbear shell or a spirit who attached herself to Afton.
@@XD-yn6hb Cassidy is literally in the give them gifts minigame lol and she is in the funtimes in thr novels
What if the reason why the safe rooms were sealed twice was:
1st: Henry sealing the rooms to prevent William silently killing kids via his costume after the MCI.
2nd: When Henry found William's "corpse" after he got springlocked.
In my opinion, molten mci is likely true, but I disagree with the notion that William obtained the remnant for the funtimes in the follow me minigames, because its heavily implied that those minigames took place on one night, as on each of them, you can hear thunder and see rain dripping down, so, unless it rained very heavily at night for every day of the week, William dismantled all the animatronics and gets springlocked in the same night, therefore making it impossible for William to have gone back the SL bunker to inject the remnant in the funtimes at this point in time. My guess is that William may have obtained the remnant for the funtimes before fnaf 1, in the 80s from the the original animatronics in an unseen event, possibly after the first freddy's closed and the follow me minigames depicts William's failed attempt to gather more remnant, which ultimately gets him killed. This could also explain what William was doing in fnaf 2, and why he committed the save them murders. He was attempting to create a new source of remnant for his experiments, and fritz smith (or Michael) tampering with the animatronics, was actually him attempting to gather up that remnant. However he gets caught, and is promptly fired, and the fnaf 2 location closes. At some point in 1993. Michael (now mike schmidt) is sent by William again to obtain more remnant, which he attempts to do after the end of his first week on the job, but is caught and fired again. After this, William sends michael to the SL bunker to put his sister "back together" ( though its probably to have him killed since he had proved to be a liability at his point) while William attempts to take the remnant from the animatronics himself, and this is where the fnaf 3 minigames happen.
Fritz smith its not mike
Awesome video, i definitely agree on the points that you made within the video with some pretty great evidence for Funtime MCI. Also i found some more proof that the follow me minigames is after FNAF 1, and i was hoping if you want to hear them. Notherless great video about molten MCI.
As much as the safe rooms being sealed before fnaf 1 and Mike being fired for odor just being a joke really don't sit right with me and I think there's certainly other ways to interpret Henry's speech and Candy Cadet stories, I have to agree that MoltenMCI is still the simplest answer with way more proof going for it than any other alternative. Though I do think Id's Fantasy version of events could still work and I personally like it more, even though MoltenMCI is most likely the correct answer
Actually Mike being fired for odor doesn't have to be a joke, he was tampering with the animatronics and the animatronics have dead bodies stuffed in them and were never washed for 20 years, therefore Michael would be smelling a lot and Fazbear Entertainment could have thought this was just simple body odor or something like that.
@@dragonwings8610I think the whole tampering with animatronics thing is referring to the player changing the difficulty of the ai
@@giddy9831 It is but the player is Micheal Afton and as I said earlier, Phone Guys says the animatronics haven't been washed for 20 years and there is also dead children stuffed inside them and there is even a newspaper talking about blood and mucas coming from the animatronics so Micheal tampering with the animatronics would definitely give him a strong smell that could pass off as oder.
@@dragonwings8610 ok
I like to believe they’ve already had their happiest day, because it depresses me that these kids have to suffer for 30+ years. That’s my only reason lol
Very nice! You hit all the major problems about the "paradox" of placing the Follow me minigames.
Any way you see it you need to add major events that are not in the game:
- pre-Fnaf2 - William was hired and killed kids while springlocked
- between Fnaf2 and Fnaf1 - classics needs to be destroyed once again after Fnaf1
- after Fnaf1 - the safe room needs to be resealed and the Fnaf3 phone calls refers to ???
I personally prefer the "between Fnaf2 and Fnaf1" option (since buttons needs to be placed by hand on the models, and if Scott doesn't have that attention to detail, solving the lore is literally impossible with the amount of red herrings Scott throws in the games, but it really has the same evidence as the others.
BONUS POINT
An idea I had recently is you could interpret the Fnaf3 phone calls as happening during Fnaf2:
"After learning of an unfortunate incident at the sister location [Fnaf2 location], involving multiple and simultaneous spring lock failures [bite of ‘87], the company has deemed the suits temporarily unfit for employees. Safety is our top priority at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, which is why the classic suits are being retired to an appropriate location, while being looked at by our technician. [ALL the classic suits are retired to the Fnaf1 building, both springbonnie and the withereds]. "
I don't think Golden Freddy's shell has to be broken and stuff, as for the amalgamation in TFC, GF's soul is still a part of it despite not having any of GF's shell.
even though I lean more towards rockstarMCI, I do believe both molten and rockstar mci can happen. Perhaps involving the second MCI, but that's more of a headcanon. What I did found curious was how the rockstars have 1 Risk while Lefty has 9 Risk, if following the rockstarMCI, it could be fun to think Cassidy possessed Nedd Bear just to spite Henry. Henry coming here as the savior of the souls yet he's forgetting TOYSNHK... sadly the risk """theory""" can't be really applied since Mr. Hugs and Music Man also have 1 Risk but it's good to think about
The biggest question of FNAF: how did henry know everything. He knew about each kill, the spirits, aftons experiments, even the marionette. He knew everything for someone we never saw at any point. What if in the beginning, Henry helped Afton while he was trying to get his daughter back and understand what happened to her.
Henry working at the restaurants, maybe even being the guard, seem to be more plausible
Henry is the MCi killer who also attempted to murder William Afton (gray man in fnaf world who canonically created Baby) for speaking out about the SL animatronics.
If you don’t know, the founder of Chuck E. Cheese is also the founder of the Atari, so William was using the his Atari technology to create fnaf world and preserve memories within forms of minigames. While he was handling this console back at the SL, he developed fnaf4 and whatever shit we’ve seen in update 2. He needed it to put the CC “back together.”
“But William Afton is the kill-“
MCI killer literally drives a magenta car and the in a hallway filled with purple cars (Midnight Motorist). Scott is directly telling us he can tell the differences between magenta and purple. And Magenta is meant to be distinguished from purple objects. Besides, who else would be Baby’s creator? She was built for Elizabeth and we know it.
@@justice8718Plug is clinically insane but he's chill
Also, in TFC (which seems to be a book copy of FFPS), it has an amalgamation of the MCI, so I would say that we can even use The Fourth Closet as proof for MoltenMCI.
10:07 I’d like to offer a much simpler idea. What if the rain damaged the pizzeria strong enough to slowly break the fake wall that leads to the safe room? It would be a natural reason for the wall to be open, and it could still happen after FNaF 1 ends.
Super awesome video. I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on MoltenMCI. Although I’m not an MoltenMCI believer, I can now begin to see what Scott was trying to do with the idea of Remnant for the games. And even though I wish the MCI had a bigger presence in FNaF 6 in a more obvious and believable way, I still think it’s a very interesting puzzle piece of the FNaF lore to discuss about.
I’ve always viewed the safe room thing as like the location where Afton disabled the animatronics for remnant had the open safe room where he died in the golden Bonnie suit and perhaps a security guard found the remains of the animatronics and called Henry. Henry sees afton during then demands that all safe rooms be cut off and the new animatronics (most likely made of the scraps that were found) be updated with programming that doesn’t register the safe room. It makes it to where the safe rooms are only boarded up once and it makes sense as to how the parts of the possessed animatronics are moved into the new models
the happiest day is the true ending of fnaf
Personally, if Golden Freddy WAS taken apart off screen the minigames should have SOMETHING there that suggests that is the case, some remnant of them that tells us “Hey, Golden Freddy was taken apart!” But there’s nothing, not even a hint of a broken piece in the building, and considering Golden Freddy’s connection to Fredbear if they’re anywhere they SHOULD be the saferoom alongside Springbonnie.
Golden Freddy’s probably not even a real suit, it’s either a projection form a unseen Fredbear suit (which as mentioned above should be in the saferoom alongside Springbonnie), or a literal spirit of sorts taking a ghostly form.
As XD already mentioned, you know the one MCI kid that doesn’t appear when the screen shows the Puppet giving life? That’s right…it’s Golden Freddy.
While MoltenMCI fits the Candy Cadet stories better, than any other theory, it’s still not a perfect fit (as it’s specifically the protagonist of the story who puts them together, not the antagonist.
The reasoning you gave William to come back one last time seems to make some sense, I do think it’s worth saying that Scott pretty specifically told us to not use the novels to solve the games.
While MoltenMCI does seem to be the best explanation we have, and it’s probably the canon answer, it does have its issues and flaws that do need to be addressed.
17:13 bro steel wool just retconned FNAF 3 as pretty much, almost all of the OG animatronic parts appear in the blob and on showcase.
1. SteelWool didn't do anything. Scott is still the one writing the story.
2. Nothing was retconned. FNAF fans gotta stop throwing that word around whenever something they can't explain happens.
3. The Blob does not contain the original animatronic suits. Those are on display at Rockstar Row, and we can see that they're extremely old. The suits that are in the Blob are the Funtime Delivery Service replicas.
I have a totally different theory to almost every FNAF theorist I have ever heard, but I'm still assured of it's validity. Mostly because it's the most simple and hardest to disprove: I don't believe in any of the [blank]MCI theories. I just honestly believe they ended at Happiest Day post FNaF3 and are not a factor in the story after that. I don't think that your debunking of Happiest Day was adequate. It's quite clear that the Golden Freddy represented in it was Evan, the Crying Child, and not Cassidy. It was replicating the party he never got and he is the only victim, and one associated with Golden Freddy, who we ever know canonically died on their own birthday at Freddy's. As well as that, the Puppet mask falls slowly and falls last, which clearly seems to suggest that Charlie still has unfinished business. From there on it's quite simple. There are a lot of inferences that have to be made for MoltenMCI to work, but very few for a raw FuntimeMCI. Every single Funtime was designed to lure and kill children by some means. Just because Freddy is the only one with a listed storage tank doesn't mean the others can't capture or possess. Baby doesn't have one listed or shown on her blueprint, but she's also the only one we see canonical on screen capture a child. Even though Circus Baby closed after a day, the Rentals were open from an undisclosed period of time. It's not a stretch to assume that during that time, each Funtime was successful in capturing a child to be possessed by. From there it's just a straight line to Ennard to Molten Freddy. It makes more sense contextually that Molten Freddy as a character exists to tie up the loose ends of the possessed Funtimes introduced in SL after the original quadrilogy ended, while keeping Baby seperate, than to bring back the MCI children, who for the most part had been already been addressed and concluded through the confusing mess of soup spliting just to free them again in a single game. To address Candy Cadet, even if interpreted to mean MoltenMCI, it still would not be accurate. For one, even if it did occur, it wouldn't add up properly. William never deconstructed Golden Freddy, and even if he did so off screen, Golden Freddy contains 2 souls. So if MoltenMCI were correct, it would not be five things becoming one, but either 4 or 6. On top of that, the stories are about more than just "Five things becoming one." They are about one kind person who wants to protect 5 innocent beings equally, but fails to make a choiced and causes the death of them all. The act of combining them is always done in memorial by the kind person rather than malice by the perpetrator. MoltenMCI does not follow this at all, and is actually the total opposite. While I don't have a clear answer for what they mean either, just admitting that I don't really know I think is better than trying to force it into MoltenMCI. As for the gravestone ending, I don't think it means all of them had to have been present and passed on in PizzaSim. The connection between who is implied to be on the graves is that they were all the direct murder victims of William, not of a mechanical mechanism or malfunction. The 4 main animatronics are front and center, Charlie is in the back because she is not part of the Missing Children Incident case and happened before them. And Cassidy is obscured because although they were part of the group, they still have not moved on as shown in Ultimate Custom Night. With all that in mind, I think it's much easier to justify that the MCI simply aren't a factor in PizzaSim at that point in the timeline than to follow ANY of the theories that somehow link them to it. It's both simpler and more satisfying and causes far less conflict in the timeline.
Fair point
huge agree.
No, The Happiest Day was made for Cassidy, in the Logbook there is an image that clearly shows this; with Puppet giving a cake to a girl, and above, talking about "what was your happiest day" (Something like)
Hmmm I always assumed Happiest day was for crying child and not Cassidy, I never considered it was her, or both for that matter.
After thinking about it more. In addition, as the puppet walks up to the table at the end of the Happiest Game we see other Kids with masks that resemble the Mediocre Melodies- who Cassidy obviously controls in UCN. So neat detail ig.
I thought it was pretty obvious it was for Evan
Nah, the happiest day is definitely for the crying child. There's to much stuff pointing towards that, idk how you can get the idea it was Cassidy
Can be rockstar more basead on the withereds and molten mci have to happen after fnaf 2( the design of the withereds bit not made of them )
I’m So Happy to See You On GTL I Hope That one day I can be in One I’ll Try To be asking Questions and my Theories About the story
Only 2 wrong things:
1- The MCI souls doesn't possess separate Funtime Animatronics. They're actually combined together. Also: only 2 Funtime Animatronics contains all of their souls merged together: Funtime Freddy and Funtime Foxy. Only those two makes FuntimeMCI.
2- MoltenMCI is not theory- it's CANON/FACT.
Another wrong thing: The Survival Logbook doesn't happen DURING FNAF 3. It happens DURING FNAF 1. The reason the Survival Logbook features the Funtime Animatronics, the FNAF 3 and 1 offices together is because he have some incosistences.
@@samuelpithan-ui2mn It's during FNaF 3.
The MCI kids can't be in the funtimes. William dismantling the animatronics in the abandoned pizzeria would have to take place after fnaf 1. We know this because he has to be alive during fnaf 2 as the daytime guard. If Michael really is a stinky corpse as most believe during the events of fnaf 1, then that would mean he would have gotten scooped before William even dismantled the animatronics.
Also, William only dismantled 4 animatronics, not 5, which conflicts with candy cadet's stories of 5 things becoming one. Golden Freddy's remnant couldn't be collected because there's nothing to collect it from.
Lastly, William never even made it out of the pizzeria with the dismantled animatronics. They were still on the floor when he spring-locked himself, so how could he have possibly managed to get them out of the building?
>If Michael really is a stinky corpse as most believe during the events of fnaf 1
Which i really thoroughly disagree with, the SINGLE biggest point people make for EarlySL is just "wow Michael stinks, he much be a corpse".
>William dismantling the animatronics in the abandoned pizzeria would have to take place after fnaf 1.
This is agreed upon, yeah.
>Also, William only dismantled 4 animatronics, not 5, which conflicts with candy cadet's stories of 5 things becoming one. Golden Freddy's remnant couldn't be collected because there's nothing to collect it from.
We only SEE 4 dismantled, we also only see 4 in the location, we know there are 5 however, and a spirit for each. GFreddy could have easily been dismantled in his off-screen location, seeing as he cant, you know, MOVE.
And there's 100% remnant left, hell it's likely he could have even taken the shell if there's no machinery and melted that down...
>Lastly, William never even made it out of the pizzeria with the dismantled animatronics. They were still on the floor when he spring-locked himself, so how could he have possibly managed to get them out of the building?
Note: All 4 animatronics have no endos, they're ONLY the shells.
Where did the Endos go? Did they just undress conveniently the same time Afton dismantles them, and magically walk off into the sunset??
The Shells certainly have Remnant in them as well, but they likely werent his Priority like the Endos were...
The idea that the funtime anamatronics and circus baby rental was established as far back as 1983 (or post MCI imo) but the events we see in sister location take place after FNAF 1 is pretty interesting. Of course this also implies that the rental location was running for almost 10 years till Micheal gets there haha.
I think hand unit mentions that the rentals only started after fnaf 1 closed down.
@@molamola9723 "due to the massive success and unfortunate closure of Freddy Fazbears Pizza" - its not exactly clear what location (or even if it means the franchise as a whole) handunit refers too. It could be post MCI, post FNAF 2 or even after FNAF 1
I feel like this video doesn't really counter most of the points made against Molten MCI, including those in the videos you mentioned, and moreso just re-explains why MoltenMCI seems to make sense on paper. Though, I hope you have a good day!
I feel like the Henry lines being used to support this, along with Candy Cadet, just fit too loosely. The callout of Michael's lines in the SL Custom Night ending are nice, but if the spirits are still around for FNAF 2 and/or 1, they can easily be interpreted as referring to those events. Admittedly, the context does make that quite weird, but... so do some of the Henry lines in my opinion. I will note that I'm not opposed to MoltenMCI in general, but I am opposed to FuntimesMCI, at least as of right now, and if we're going without FuntimesMCI then a lot of the backing of MoltenMCI becomes shaky. I'm not sure what I'd say my current interpretation is, but it's probably along the lines of ID's proposed theory in the SL timeline placement video. (Also, where do the MCI appear in FNAF 4?)
I also think some of the widely-held theories mentioned in the Ultimate Guide are only mentioned because of how widely-held they are. Therefore, I feel like saying the Ultimate Guide is pointing us towards MoltenMCI is not quite catching the intent of the book. It's not really being used as evidence here, but I figured I'd point out my interpretation of it since the idea that the Ultimate Guide was pointing towards MoltenMCI was mentioned here.
Other note: "most locations" implies at least 3, and probably more (why would you ever use the wording "most locations" to refer to 1 out of 2, or even really 2 out of 3?). My opinion is that there are various Fazbear locations, or locations under the FE umbrella probably across the state of Utah at some point, but it's unclear exactly when. It's probably not after FNAF 1 (I think the entire franchise is pretty dead by then), but it could easily be shortly after FNAF 2, and the FNAF AR emails make it somewhat clear that the franchise ran until at least 1993.
I'm intrigued to see how a discussion about this will go in the GTLive stream. I'd be surprised if one didn't come up, since this is one of the more recent major theory debates, among many of the participating youtubers. See ya there!
I haven seen a video of yours before but thought I'd check you out before gtlive. This video is great and I can tell already you deserve to be there 😄
Soul splitting sounds so badass and kinda makes all the easter eggs have a lore reason.
Shadows? Soul splitting from agony (Rwqfsfasxc was kinda thought to be that anyway)! Phantoms? Afton's agony making ghosts of the past!....Nightmare? possibly agony from a recent head-related accident.
I think the reason why the sprites have buttons is because Scott maybe have wanted to show that the withereds and the classics are the same
What about ArcadeMCI? In the safe room there were 3 arcade cabinets, while in FFPS there're 3 playable arcade minigames: Fruity Maze, Midnight Motorist and Security Puppet, each reveals a secret in round 3. What if those cabinets were possessed by the spirits after their animatronics got destroyed, and later reused by Henry to make these games? Now the spirits are trying to tell what they know about the past when Mike is playing the games.
I found you a few days ago, I think exactly this video cause I'm lookin for new FNAF theorists to help me expand my thoughts and understanding of the story as well as things I may have missed or not dive into to think about it deeply such as this, the MoltenMCI. This was an interesting video on the Missing Children and all your evidence are really strong. I did saw you at the Live playback of the discussion of FNAF at GT Live (I was asleep when that happen cause I think its like a 12 hour difference between my timezone and yours/the others in the stream) but I did watch through it and your theories are interesting and enjoyable. I kept laughing cause you were supporting John so much lol and I did see you made a video discussing about your theories with ID's Fantasy who's channel I found last week. I did saw you made videos on the Fazbear's Frights series and do hope you continue on that (if you don't, that's fine).
Anyways, if you're coming back again to GT Live to join them again in October after the FNAF movie comes out (really excited bout that) or next year, it would be a blast. Your videos are entertaining as it helps me understanding the FNAF universe in, like MatPat said, in a new perspective and as beforementioned your theories are creative and keep going man, I support you! :D
Remember Orange guy from the Minigames
He got Springlocked Once They moved Afton's body to Freddy's
But as Fredtrap
He and William are Job Colleagues
About candy cadet: Only one kitten dies in the story about the little boy and his snake. Only one gets "put back together" which seems to be a direct reference to how William let one of his kids die to a snake in his house (Michael, who at this point in time is a horrible person) and consequently put him back together.
Moreover, Charlie does seem to resemble the first story, about the children in prisons and her trying to help, but ultimately dooming them to imprisonment indefinitely, but does NOT resemble the last one, which seems to be about Henry, who is afraid a "burglar" is going to kill kids. So he takes them into his own home, and only when he is headed out does the burglar strike (similarly, it's suspected that only when Henry is away does Afton take his victims, as he did with Charlie for example.) The whole 5 persons in a box doesn't seem to resemble the MCI necessarily, but more closely, the 4 animatronics and Michael that die in the FNAF 6 ending, who get put to rest in the fire. Why is it not about the funtimes? Because 5 things turning into 1 is NOT then split over 4 other things, like it would be with the funtimes. That's kinda a crucial detail no? Unless the argument is that only 1 funtime is haunted, but seeing as you linked each individual animatronic to each individual funtime, that doesn't seem to be your argument.
Moreover, Molten MCI assumes that all 5 MCI kids are molten into the funtimes (hence the whole candy cadet thing being connected, which I already argued why it shouldn't be but still, let's for the sake of argument say we ignore that for a moment) and 5 things molten into 1 thing, or to be more specific, 5 endoskeletons into 1 remnant puddle. But there is no 5 things, as Cassidy is in Golden Freddy together with the Crying Child, which means there would be 6. Also Golden Freddy doesn't have an endoskeleton, which would mean the ENTIRE thing would be molten down so there's no way that Crying Child wouldn't be there. No Crying Child does NOT move on prior, because they're still saying "it's me" to the player, also happiest day shows the puppet moving on with Crying Child and since puppet is still active, Crying Child should be too. I do agree with happiest day being in a nebulous zone as far as timeline goes.
Mr Droid excellent video and thank you for giving a satisfactory answer to one of my main gripes with MoltenMCI, Afton going back to retrieve the Springlock suit does make sense if each Follow Me minigame happens on a different night, and I look forward to you being on the GTLive livestream.
While I think this video was an excellent defence of MoltenMCI I personally still disagree for a few reasons
1 I think that Follow Me happens during the course of one night(aftons general hurry to destroy the animatronics and get back in the safe room, the fact he doesn't take the animatronic bits with him(especially if he's building the funtimes with them) it being difficult to sneak in multiple times without fazbear noticing that Freddy is a bucket of bolts etc)
2 sister location has to happen early in the timeline in order for Mike to have the motivation to hunt down his father through FNaF 1 and 2
2.5 Baby has to be around to kill the only kid Afton ever liked and the Funtimes had to be built when afton wasn't ousted from the company(say when hes a major suspect for killing 5 more kids out in the open in 1987) and could use the likeness of Freddy, Bonnie and Foxy, and if Afton wasn't ousted from the company he'd be able to steal the haunted endoskeletons much easier after FNaF 2)
3 the sealing of rooms immediately without the ability to remove things makes better sense with the Springtrapping than the DCI, because in the case of the DCI they wouldn't need to close the saferooms, the murders happened out in the restaurant, and also Springtrap would need to be resealed in order for the Frights crew not to notice the saferoom until they were practically tearing down walls on their second go through
4 afton can't be sealed before FNaF2 because then the DCI(or whatever event the N6 call is supposed to refer to) can't happen("we had a spare in the back, a yellow one, someone used it, no none of them are acting right" My New Least Favorite Character FNaF 2 N6)
On point 4 the timing you pointed out for the Springtrapping is driving me mad because it can't be before 2 or Night 6's call wouldn't happen(and that call is almost certainly referring to Afton, especially given the previous employee detail and can't be prerecorded because otherwise Jeremy wouldn't go to day shift) but it also can't be between two and one because the company didn't have the money for new robots and also the suits are still haunted but also can't be after FNaF one because Phone Guy is miraculously alive for one last call
>sister location has to happen early in the timeline in order for Mike to have the motivation to hunt down his father through FNaF 1 and 2
It... doesnt? We DO have several reasons for his motives in 1 and 2, but the likeliest is simply that he's William's puppet.
FNAF repeatedly hints to this, including the FNAF 6 posters, and even a theory implying that Clara isnt Afton's wife, but a PoV that Michael relates to heavily, that HE has been in that position before.
And additionally, in Sister Location, he wasnt hunting his father, he was certainly a grown man (as you'd expect of someone in their mid-to-late 20s, maybe even 30s) who came at the behest of his Father.
If SL were before FNAF 2, he'd still be underage.
>On point 4
I'm... not sure which part you're talking about here? You seem a bit confused.
If you mean the FNAF 3 calls, those are MCI-era. At the Original 1985 location, where the MCI occurs.
The Multiple Simultaneous Springlock Failures (who knows what this is...) happens, the suits are Retired. Afton uses the Springbonnie suit shortly after for the MCI, the use is noticed, the rooms are sealed up and the location closes shortly after.
For the part that seems to be referring to FNAF 2's calls...
Quite simple: Afton used Golden Freddy (potentially after having stuffed a child in it 2 years prior, TOYSHNK. POSSIBLY even Springlocked depending on the mode at the moment? But certainly worn around for DCI if it occurred.)
FNAF 2 happens before Spring Bonnie was even a thing story-wise, thus he's one of the two possible Yellow Suits (including Chica just for completion-sake...), GF activates the same night that A Yellow Suit was used as well. Even with Springtrap's retroactive canonicity (like how the Puppet WAS at the FNAF 1 location, but was simply inactive/stored away), it still doesnt fit like GFreddy does. This ALSO gives more reason why TOYSHNK would be more vengeful than others.
>but also can't be after FNaF one because Phone Guy is miraculously alive for one last call
If referring to the FNAF 3 call again, it isnt post-93, it's still around 85.
@@higueraft571 okay one question, if the saferooms were sealed in 1985 as part of the MCI as you claim, how can afton get into the saferoom for Follow Me AND it be sealed properly(as phone dude needed an Architect to find it)
That is why I say that the phone calls(or at least specifically the one ordering them sealed) are referring to Follow Me and where my confusion on timeline takes part, my concern about FNaF2 N6 isn't which suit Afton used to off a lunchtable of first graders it's the fact Afton was In the building on that day.
As for Point 2 I redirect you to Point 2.5 separated specifically because it's more timeline than narrative(because while I personally think the Mike Puppet angle is detrimental to the story, I can admit that it has some possible evidence)
Baby and the Funtimes have to be made before Follow Me because Baby needs to kill Elizabeth early in the timeline(she's what 8? 11?) and Afton wouldn't be able to make Funtime Freddy or Foxy without his place in the company, which he doesn't have in Follow Me because otherwise he'd just swap out the endos.
@@TheWizardMus >how can afton get into the saferoom for Follow Me AND it be sealed properly(as phone dude needed an Architect to find it)
He breaks in, simply put.
As for sealed? Hard to tell honestly. Phone Guy DOES speak as if it were really well hidden... or they simply were told it was a Place of Note they could check, not that it was hidden entirely.
Remember, it's RIGHT next to the Bathrooms as well, in the north-east part of the building. The stuff they'd found most likely being from the southern portion of the map. Hallways, offices, maybe even the main hall.
>it's the fact Afton was In the building on that day.
Simple, he hasnt been springlocked yet. He is after 1.
>Afton wouldn't be able to make Funtime Freddy or Foxy without his place in the company
Except, why DOES he need to be in the company? The SL bunker was owned by Afton Robotics, a company owned by Afton himself. He had enough money after MCI to start his OWN Pizzeria and build his OWN animatronics.
It's only AFTER Afton's death that SL's Bunker is claimed by Fazbear Entertainment.
>because otherwise he'd just swap out the endos.
And if he ALREADY built the Funtimes in 86, they already have Endos, ones likely incompatible with the FNAF 1s entirely. Reminder the FNAF 1s have all sorts of Shit in the suits themselves, crossbars and such that it'd be lethal to be crammed into forcefully, as mentioned.
The Funtimes seem to simply be Shells, with the Endos providing ALL support. Functionally incompatible in every way.
@@higueraft571
>why DOES afton need to be in the company
Freddy and Foxy as Fazbear characters, in order for them to be used by either Circus Baby's Pizza World OR Entertainment and Rentals they would have needed to be made while Afton was in the company otherwise he wouldn't have had his own characters
>if he built the funtimes in 86...
Yeah thats the point of MoltenMCI and why we're talking about Follow Me, Afton using the metal from Follow Me to make the Funtimes, which I'm disagreeing with because the Funtimes are early in the timeline
>Sister Location endos wouldn't be compatible with FNaF1 Endos
Here I was implying Afton would swap out the Endo 01s with other not-haunted Endo 01s if he wasn't kicked out of the company instead of doing Follow Me, apologies for the confusion
@@TheWizardMus there is zero evidence to suggest it takes place during one night. You are trying to apply characteristics about afton we have no idea. There is zero evidence that sister location is the motivation for Michael hunting his father. That's just something matpat made up and we don't even know that is his motivation. He could have been OK with William at the time. Also dude he is literslly the owner of afton robotics. He wouldn't ousted from his own company.
Can be toy mci be transformed into molten freddy
Huh. I never thought about it like that. It’s probably not the case, but it’s certainly plausible.
In my opinion, I think of Molten MCI meaning 'Melted MCI', as Molten means melted down of sorts.
The happiest day ending could make sense as soon as after FNAF6. In fact I think the scene suggests that Cassidy wasn't part of it, and that CC is the crying child that gets the Fredbear mask and is released with the others. That's also reflected in the picture with the gravestones, where Cassidy's is the only one still hidden. There's nothing to suggest anyone other than Cassidy and William are in UCN.
Happiest day happens when Cassidy goes down the lake. In FNaF world it leads you to your happiest day so it would be a transition.
Great video! I’m glad to see a strong defense for Molten MCI, as I firmly believe that this was Scott’s intent for the story.
I still think that Follow Me takes place before FNAF 1, though. I think that if you look at all the calls in FNAF 3, it seems like Scott is giving context to what happens in the game (with all the recordings conveniently being focused on the springlock suits and safe rooms). So by the time Phone Guy says that the safe rooms are being locked and that if you leave anything in there, “it’s your own fault,” I think that we’re supposed to take that as an explanation for why Springtrap was found in the secret boarded up room mentioned by Phone Dude on the first night. I know it makes things weird with the FNAF 1 location still being open after it looks all worn and rat-infested in the mini game (and after William tore apart the animatronics), but I think that it best fits what Scott was trying to communicate with those Phone Guy messages in FNAF 3. And since Phone Guy had to be alive to record it, it takes place before FNAF 1. That’s my opinion anyway
Bruh fnaf 3 was meant to the final game where the animatronics are finally destroyed. They leave their bodies and achieve their happiest day. There is no way scott like ah yes yes are actually recreated during fnaf 1 and they were destroyed behind the scenes. It doesn't make sense from a story telling perspective and it makes william destroying the animatronics meaningess.
@@johnjordan211 I just assumed that there was a gap between William tearing apart the animatronics and the Happiest Day scene. I don’t mean to imply FNAF 1 is after Happiest Day. I think Happiest Day either occurs when Fazbear Fright burns or at the end of Pizzeria Simulator. Either way, that leaves time for the animatronics to be rebuilt for FNAF 1. I see what you’re saying though
Wait, people thought remnant was _stored_ in the scooper? Thought it literally says that the remnant on it is residual from scooping them. They had their endos made from living metal, not injected into them with the scooper. Granted, that would mean that they keep losing some with each scoop, and that they'd get a little bit of eachother when they do too. A little bit of them is in each other
İmpressive how you edited and voiced this all by yourself. The effort can be seen. Subscribed.
I've said this before. No matter how many games come out, Happiest day will always be after that. Because souls being tied to 8-bit mini games and FNAF World make no sense without Princess Quest and Balloon World.
14:05 I don't think the safe room has to be sealed again. Phone Dude mentions that they want to check out the room, and that it was sealed in the past. However, he says that BEFORE they go there. So they can't really know if it is still sealed. You could say that they were already at that location and must have noticed it, but I am unsure on that. They found other stuff at the same day like the foxy head or the tapes, which were probably outside the room. So they definitely didn't check out everything yet. And for the reason why Springtrap didn't leave I have a pretty logical explanation: His AI doesn't allow it. Since he is in Animatronic Mode, he has to follow the Animatronics rules. We see that in fnaf 3, where he follows the sounds of children, like the AI is supposed to, showing it is stronger than William. But the aniamtronic AI also doesn't allow them to enter the room. So what happens when the robot already is in the room? It would make sense to completely break and not work at all anymore, refusing to move, since it would move inside the saferoom, which it isn't allowed to do. So that would explain why William didn't leave the room, despite it being open for 30 years.
Well, this is at least my view on it, and I think it does make sense. Great video. Completely agreed
I don't think the theory is even that debated, the concern is what it means for the bigger story/timeline, like how are there active spirits in point xyz and how many MCIs were there?
so quick question if William is going back there night after night to get the original animatronics why does he come back on the last night
I explain that in the video :)
so I watched the part and another question. so why was springbonnie there. he use that thing for at most decades to kill and murder. he left it there went to the Pizzeria got the remit only to go "you know I would really like that costume I lift there I'm going to go back what can go wrong"
@@draydenhotel9051 I mean why would he take it with him before? The pizzeria is where to suit is stored and where he used it. He probably thought that Freddy's would never open again so the suit no longer needed to be at the pizzeria
@@draydenhotel9051 Here's what I think in 1985 Afton used the Springbonnie to kill the OG MCI kids at the first Freddy's then leaves the Springbonnie suit there because FNAF 1 is the same Pizzeria the Withereds use to be at
and then company reuse the Pizzeria because they were on a lower budget Also, here's a better explanation: th-cam.com/users/shorts2JcxAYXqd2c
@@draydenhotel9051 The suit was already in the safe room when Afton started to destroy the animatronics, he decided to destroy them firts and then get the suit back, now here's why the suit was sealedand how he lured the DCI to their death: The SpringBonnie suit was sealed away back in 1985 after the MCI as we learn in the FNaF 3 tapes, the yellow suit used by Afton in the 1987 is Golden Freddy because not only as mentioned was the SpringBonnie suit sealed away in the FNaF 1 location, but there's also a kid's drawing in FNaF 2 of Golden Freddy singing to some children meaning that the child who drew that, saw Golden Freddy (who wasn't part of the pizzaria as an official attraction), tought it was a new charecter and drew him, and another piece of evidence is the fact that Golden Freddy only appears in Night 6, the same night that we hear Phone Guy's call about "Someone used one of the suits, we had a spare in the back a Yellow one, someone used it[...]" and in the Save Them minigame when William killed the DCI Golden Freddy also appears a LOT bc Cassidy is obviously angry that William used her suit to kill more children (during the day the souls can't escape their program, only during the night, and the Whitereds were programed to stay inside the Parts & Services Room, meaning that Cassidy couldn't do shit when Afton used the suit). So there you, sorry for writing a literal page of a book but that's the only to explain FNaF as detailed as possible withouth leaving questions 💀
"The phone calls cannot happen after fnaf 1"... yeah... phone guy dies in fnaf 1
Molten freddy in UCN also laughs before he attacks
Like fnaf 1 freddy
Tbh i think william got the remnant around 86 so he could work on the funtimes, and you know, i dont think it can happen after fnaf 1, since i think sl took place around 86, again thats why william would need the remnant for the funtimes, and after that michael would be mad at his father for uh, obvious reasons, and he would go after him, well thats my opnion/theory, great video though!
Counterpoint:
Elizabeth's death and Pizza World's opening/closing SPECIFICALLY happens in 86. The funtimes existed yes.
However they only got injected with the MCI Remnant after FNAF 1. After FNAF 2 at *THE* earliest.
@@higueraft571 well ther really isnt anything proving that, well as far as im aware of
@@alsodoto For one, Michael's a grown adult in SL, not a teenager :V
Secondly, it'd be incredibly strange for William to have Remnant to inject BEFORE he can even collect any...
The EARLIEST moment, when the Toys are scrapped/DCI, is 1987. The next chance is post-1993.
(He technically obtained Remnant from one child in 1986, but that he didnt extract and use, clearly...)
Not to mention SL happening before FNAF 2 implies that Ennard was fucking around for *39 years* after they escaped, without popping up again in the meantime.
Rather than a few years between SL and 6.
And as well, you can still be mad (or a puppet) without SL being directly involved?
The kitchen is disabled due to Golden Freddy being in there
see to me and my own opinion of it. even tho matpat's theory seems to be the most secure and backed up evidence on his theory of what happens and the timeline, i have noticed a few times in the past when he has a debate with people about the timeline or watching others videos and takes on it, he always tries to bring it back and use his own theory to try and say weather he thinks people are correct or not in parts of what they say. to me i think hes become too obsessed with the lore crafting that over the last year or so hes made theories which just dont seem to fit as nicely anymore like his theories used to and i think its because hes so fixated on his years of lore crafting tryna get his perfect timeline and events in place to happen that hes now just throwing wild cards in there rather than thinking things thru and the fact that no one really says to him to throw out his theory's completely for a minute or 2 just to hear a different timeline and events and try to build up any possible timeline from there to see if it can actually work like he spent years on his own.
the video he did reacting to ID's fantasy's video shows this because at least half of the time he wasnt happy or agreeing with the theory, happened to be when it didnt fit with HIS timeline instead of considering another timeline if enough time was put into figuring out how that could all work, could likely actually be the correct timeline or sort of events to go ahead with. i do get that hes probally tryna back up his years of evidence and lore and timeline hes spent doing so but i think its made him slightly toxic and neglectful that other timelines can be at play here if not multiple timelines that exsist and cross over to have more than one story or set of events.
SquireScaulks is unironically a great mispronunciation and I hope he calls himself that in a video as a joke someday
5:41
I personally disagree, I think Candy Cadette said in his stories that.
Someone good helps, a bad guy does something bad, good guy combine 5 things into 1.
That to me doesn’t line up with Molten M.C.I.
Aubergine Man destroys, takes, combine 5 things into 1, and seperates it into 3.
Also FredBear could be possessed by both Cassidy & Evan so that’s 6 in total, not 5.
I feel like that all of the major fnaf TH-cam’s who are working on piecing everything together nowadays are getting points right here and there but not all of them have everything correct, they all just have a piece of the puzzle
My theory for Golden Freddy not having a suit is explained by his design change from FNAF 2 to 1. There is no reason whatsoever for Fazbear to redesign and build a new Golden Freddy suit for the FNAF 1 location. Fredbear was already long decommissioned and maybe even involved in the FNAF 2 murders. We know from the SAVE THEM mini game that the Golden Freddy suit WAS still physically present in the location, but my theory is that it was completely scrapped (maybe even by William) but that Cassidy's soul stuck with the MCI Kids. Her form alters to fit that of the FNAF 1 redesigns, and maybe even to that of the Sister Location animatronics (hence Yendo) which is why GF looks like FNAF 1 Freddy post 1987.
Some people might argue that the FNAF 1 designs are supposed to be the same as the FNAF 2 ones just through a different art style, but I say this is bullshit as we see the two eras coexisting in FNAF 3. If the FNAF 2 designs were a visual retcon, then Scott would have just used their models as the old parts in Fazbear's Fright. However, there's not a single time post FNAF 2 that we see the suits looking like they did on the Witherds. They are always shown to be the FNAF 1 suits. Even in Security Breach.
Therefore I definitely agree that Golden Freddy by the time of FOLLOW ME has no physical suit, or, if there IS one, Afton just took it's remnant at another time (again, potentially as far back as 1987). Although honestly I think it makes more sense if Cassidy just follows as a spirit to wherever the MCI kids end up, hence why we don't see GF physically after FNAF 1 (except maybe Yendo).
Good work man! Underrated as heck
So if the souls are split between the funtimes and the classics' suits, where do the souls in those suits go?
Call me dumb but there's one thing I'm confused at, how would William even steal their Endoskeletons if:
1. Their body (and presumably their Endoskeletons) are still on the floor when we play as the ghost or Cassidy probably. He also said it himself that Golden Freddy was destroyed, but we never saw where. It would've been better if a Golden Freddy suit was in the room he died in, along with the Spring-Bonnie suit, yet it isn't there.
2. He dies as the bodies of the Endoskeletons were on the floor. How would he even take them into his office to melt them down if he died? The theory of Michael helping his dad would work, other than the fact that he wouldn't let his dad just rot there. Someone commented something about Henry melting the animatronics to lure in Charlie as she's always there where the MCI are, which would make more sense seeming as Michael or William Couldn't have done it.
3. As ID's Fantasy has said, the buttons on the mini-game's animatronics show that they're the fnaf 2 animatronics. Yes, he said that it could be just the mini-game sprites being inconsistent and shows FNAF World as an example, but in FNAF World, Bonnie doesn't have buttons however the one in the Follow Me mini-game has. This just basically confirms that they got turned into the FNAF 1 animatronics, which takes place AFTER William's death due to the Phone Guy knowing about the hidden room. So he could've NEVER gotten a hold of the MCI's remnant.
If I have made inconsistencies or said something stupid, please correct me in the comments as well as feel free to argue your thoughts about this theory. I'd love to hear people's thoughts about this one
I'd argue that it wasn't William who put the MCI kids' remnant in the funtimes, it was Henry, experimenting with remnant to try and find a way to free the spirits.
We know with some certainty that William was trying to obtain remnant, and we know that someone experimented with remnant since Henry has some understanding of it in FNAF 6, but we don't have any evidence that it was William who did that in the games timeline.
Henry being the one who injected the Funtimes would better fit the Candy Cadet stories. In the story with the man and the orphans and the story with the boy and the kittens, the person who puts the five dead things together is separate from the killer but was supposed to be responsible for the five things' safety, just like how Henry, as one of the owners of the restaurant, should have been responsible for keeping the children safe.
the problem with that is that 1: the funtime animatronics in sister location wanted to kill mike because they were already possessed by souls
2:ennard/molten freddy is a literal killing machine, henry would be killed if he tried to put remnant in ennard/molten freddy
If William broke into the sealed-off saferoom, I don't think it was sealed up again. I think William took apart the animatronics after the fnaf 1 location closed, maybe. And so no one noticed him in the room for all those years. Especially since near the saferoom, there's that boarded up area (maybe the entrance to the pizzeria?)
Dude look up th fnaf1 map those are the bathrooms, the minigames take no accountability about where the he'll the entrance should be
@@piratebones9641 oh that makes sense my bad thanks!!
Amazing Video i missed half but missed it again because i was washing the dishes i enjoyed btw.
In my opinion Molten MCI. Well doesn't make much sense. I have a few points I'll go over here. Firstly the fnaf 3 dismantling/destroying minigames. Now you might be asking yourself "how? Afton gets the reminent then goes down to sister location" but I suggest it makes more sense to say, Afton didn't leave and couldn't go back to the sister location even after getting the remnant, and here is why. Think about it logically, do you really think afton would destroy an animatronic, go back to the bunker, turn it into remnant, then come back destroy and other and so on. It seems more logical that he destroys ALL of them and THEN plans to go back but just as he was getting ready to go the spirits from the suits awaken and trap him in springbonnie. It's my opinion that even if afton WAS planning to get the remnant there but doesn't manage to. But then you might ask yourself how the funtimes are so lively. Well I think it's just programming. Either way to my next point. EVEN IF the MCI victims are in the funtimes.. then why would they wanna join all together exactly? Like they were originally separate souls, so coming into one body doesn't help, if anything it will make a mess even if all the necessary peaces are there. Also soul splitting is just impossibly unlogical. Going to a point that was made in the video that the spirits were dark remnant/ agony, as far as we know shadow bonnie (and maybe shadow freddy too) is made of agony/ dark remnant, do you notice anything only present in them? Yea their dark coloration. They are black or dark purple, going back to the souls, they are white and gray. Nothing shadowy or agony alike in them. So while it is a good point I disagree. While I do believe agony/ dark remnant is in the games, seeing as it's mostly what the blob is made of, so I don't believe it comes into play until later on. This is already pretty long do I'll wrap it up. To summarise, Afton didn't get the remnant back, and was later springtrapped and was later brought back to life as sparingtrap by either his remnant binding to the suit or the agony that's all over the place (either way it works) and thus the spirits are still in the fnaf 1 location where they get their happiest day, but some stay, don't move on. Notice how the puppet's mask fell slower then the others, and the puppet came back later. This I believe is a point to be made so we'll put a pin in it while you ask "well what about golden freddy?" Which leads me to the fact golden freddy might have 2 souls, Cassidy and the CC which later gets set free in happiest day and the puppet remains to make sure Afton doesn't do anything while Cassidy also remains waiting for the opportunity to get revenge on Afton.
>how the funtimes are so lively.
They're literally haunted, they're injected with Remnant, this is not up for debate.
>then why would they wanna join all together exactly?
>they were *originally* separate souls
And then Afton blended them together and shoved all their separate amputated bits into the Funtimes. Becoming Ennard is the ONLY way for them to be Whole Again.
>Also soul splitting is just impossibly unlogical.
Except it happens, it's a major reason for Ennard's actions, and it's shown QUITE a few times.
Including in the books.
And doubly so if you consider Happiest Day to take place in FNAF 3...
Why IS it "impossibly unlogical" to split someone in half?
Light/Dark Remnant 100% exists, yeah, the books also back this up.
HOWEVER, i will note that Agony =/= Dark Remnant, it's simply a TYPE of Dark Remnant, not the whole half.
About as much as Love is the whole Half of Light Remnant.
As for the souls? They mix both aspects, Black tears, White bodies, a WHOLE soul, Light and Dark combined.
I definitely doubt Afton didnt put his Soul Juice in the Funtimes, though. Where would the Endos be?
@Higuera ft I see your points but it just seems illogical. I've said it before Afton wouldn't just take one sould get the remnant then go back to the underground the come back for another. But even if he WAS doing that why come the last time? For the springbonnie suit? Why would he bring it with him in the first place, he was doing just fine without it. And as for ennard that wouldn't fix the issue. They can't guarantee they'll collect their lost peaces. If anything it would just make a larger mess.
Just reached 12 minutes in and I think I have a realisation what if the buttons on Freddy was the retcon
Alternatively the safe rooms sealing message could be the retcon
i don’t think Scott would make THAT the retcon
*I hope, and would be glad if you see this.*
7:50 Well, I accept what you say in the video, but I say that William is a narcissist. I think William felt unsecure at there, and he didn't want to be seen as weak. So he asked for what was completing, fulfilling him. SpringBonnie.
Nothing we have as proof shows William was a good and loving father. But we have novels. Tragic-Dad Willy is problematic, and it is just a head canon, and my narcissist William is provable.
William Afton is a misunderstood guy for me, even from "Game Theory." Without suspicion, William is a narcissist. He uses his children as a way of fulfilling his ego. Because he considers his family as well as the Afton surname as the masters, he has no worry or fear of taking action to keep their mastery. He does experiments with the aim of "repairing" his family and living eternally. He believes that because he planned out every move, he is perfect. However, he will always be a weak psychopath. His jealousy towards Henry evolved from the losses in his family and, also, from his own mechanical knowledge being worse than Henry's. In order to appease his ego, he torments his family, which fulfills his ego. Because he believes that he deserves a child more than Henry, he kills Charlie after Evan gets "broken." According to FNaF's official novel books, William is a sadistic maniac, which looks like having narcissistic personality disorder. And a sadist like him who pushed Elisabeth away can't be a normal human before. He was probably manipulating Henry and showing himself as a friend but at the same time getting jealous on him, hurting his children but at the same time keeping them feeling glad to have a dad like him, manipulating his wife (corrected from soap opera in SL) before she realizes that William is a narcissist, and after that ms. Afton breaks up with him so he kills her to make her never escape from him again.
You probably will hear this a lot, but HandUnit says Circus Baby's Pizza Worl was open after the closing of a Freddy's, so the funtimes were probably created in or after 1985. Also, I think the Foxy in the FNaF 3 location in the Logbook is probably an artwork plothole, not much.
@@tamaritamarileonardo394 The opposite also works, Mangle could be based off Funtime Foxy and not vice-versa. Either way, it still is after 1985.
Also, about the logbook, I would say it is the most reliable book we have by far, however, considering how even the most important lore-wise have mistakes in them, I am pretty sure the foxy thing is just a continuation error. The logbook, despite probably being used in FNaF 3, needs to have been written before FNaF 3, because it is for a security guard at an official Freddy's location.
@@tamaritamarileonardo394 Mangle is a toy animatronic, we know this because of the Phone Guy. Also, the Toy animatronics have endoskeletons, we just usually don't see them, and also because Scott Cawthon did not model them fully since it was unecessary. There is no evidence Mangle was based off Funtime Foxy, but there is no evidence Funtime Foxy was based off Mangle either, they just look similar, probably because they are based on the same character interpretation for Foxy.
Also, the Logbook artwork is not the most important part of the book, so i think it is a continuity error, although it could not be. Mostly flawless does not mean no flaws.
@@tamaritamarileonardo394 holy shit my guy, try to make your shit more readable...
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I think the Molten MCI happened but not the way everyone thinks. For me, Afton took the Remnent off the animatronics before the FNaF 2 gameplay, because remember that PHone Guy mentioned the last night guard compleined about the night shift, so they moved him to the day one. This guard is Afton, and I think the moltem MCI is just him taking Remnent from the withered animatronics and mixing. But this is only a theory. What do you think? Am I right or not?
EXTREMELY unlikely, FNAF 2 and FNAF 1 they're still possessed.
And why would he be there after FNAF 1 to... take Remnant from something he already drained?
I dont think cassidy finds peace, we see only on of the spirits in golden freddy doesm
I'm starting to think molten freddy has the souls of the second mci.
I think MCI happens in 1985 and William get the remnant of that death children and put in the funtimes and Puppet put the souls on the original animatronics of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza and then Mike goes to Circus Baby's entertainment and rentals because his father (William Afton a.k.a Purple guy) wants Mike to liberate his sister knowing that he gonna die because he was angry at Mike because he commits an accident where Fredbear bites Evan/Chris/Crying child/Bite victim 1# and he wants Mike to pay for that because Crying Child was important for a experiment of William and he goes mental and his mental sanity gets worst because Elizabeth's death, Mike died but he resurrects because the S.c.u.p a.k.a Scooper have a small portion of remnant and after that William in 1987 kills another kids, I have evidence in the Save them minigame that William kills another kids well this children that died in there I think they have possesed themselves the toys and after that it happens the bite of 87 where I think that Mangle do that and after he/her/yes/it/them do that the souls of the toys gets free and they goes to heaven and they want to free the souls as we see in some of the minigames of FNAF 3 where appears Balloon boy, Mangle and Toy Chica when they get a cake and you have to give to the crying children
This is why molten mci is problematic, im 1000% convinced it’s supposed to be cannon, but it serves to further complicate the already complex placement of sister location witch is im pretty sure supposed to be pretty early in the timeline but makes everything else confusing if molten mci is correct
>im pretty sure supposed to be pretty early in the timeline
Definitely disagree. William is indisposed for SOME reason, Michael is sent. Michael's a grown adult.
If this was pre-2, he'd still be a teenager at best, not a grown man living alone watching Soap Operas and getting paid at work...
So agony and reminent are basically horcroxes
i think its very confusing, i dont think rockstarMCI works based on what you said in the video but i dont entirely agree with MoltenMCI as i feel like the funtimes can be posessed by any kids they catch. The character encyclopedia also says that happiest day happens after fnaf 3 but the puppet stays, this would mean the bite victim was golden freddy which makes sense given the happiest day layout is reversed of fredbears (which i believe). But then where is cassidy, why is she not being freed while the others are. and i guess you could say cassidy attached to william but it just gets so confusing.
I think the missing children were freed by the end of fnaf 6. im down to think that they were freed in fnaf 3 but i dont think the core 4 stayed past 6. i think since the graves are in the same positions as the head, it may be trying to convey that happiest day occurs then (it could just be to show which kid posessed each animatronic). MoltenMCI makes the most sense out of the theories but i dont entirely agree. actually both fnaf 3 and 6 seem to occur in the same year so maybe thats the confusing part. hopefully this isnt too difficult to read, i hope we get clarification as to what is actually accurate, we barely get anything confirmed and it just gets more confusing as time goes on
@@tamaritamarileonardo394 but the character encyclopaedia says that the puppet stays behind to my knowledge. I know we can’t really trust the character encyclopaedia but we need to take it into consideration
@@tamaritamarileonardo394 yea true the balloons are very important, I forgot about those so thanks for bringing them up. And if they all go up then why would the puppet be the only one still there. So you make a good point. Maybe whoever wrote the book tried to think of a way to explain it without thinking that happiest day may not actually take place in fnaf 3. Hopefully Charlie isn’t still around so we can have some concrete knowledge of who’s still around and if happiest day has happened yet
@@tamaritamarileonardo394 yea that makes sense, especially since they keep bringing people back, also there’s no real way to debunk it other than a timeline placement being confirmed so that makes life easy
*shadow Freddy and shadow bonnie are agony they are made of agony left behind by their souls*
Can you do a theory on what happened to the DCI kids?
unfortunately they kinda get left behind, I'm pretty sure they just get murdered before FNAF 2, posses the Toys, but since they get scrapped and taken apart after like a week their spirits weren't able to make any important moves or do too much
I think this is a well built argument for MoltenMCI.
I just have a couple nitpicks that I wish for you to clarify for me to accept the conclusion
1) You bring up CandyCadet's Story in favor of MoltenMCI. This only works if Golden Freddy's body exists. I don't think it does, as you say about the concept of agony. I believe Golden Freddy's physical body doesn't exist. We have never seen Golden Freddy wander around the pizzeria, or ever being suggested to be stuffed into suits or being given life. In fact Golden Freddy being a manifestation of agony makes perfect sense to why there is a "vengeful spirit". They have never had a physical body to begin with, it's why Scott never showed it being dismantled in the follow me minigames. Which is why I don't find your argument "Scott ran out of nights to show it occur and it happened off screen" as a reliable argument, when we have seen that Golden Freddy's incarnation has always been supernatural and never physical. Hence why people are disagreeing with the Candy Cadet being a direct parable
In addition, for Candy Cadet's story to be narratively a 1:1
One story is orphans and a burglar kills them, and the old man decides to stitch five bodies together and put them into a coffin.
Another story is the five keys where a lady melts five keys into one to save five children.
It’s very clear that Charlie doesn’t stitch them up into one, it’s why the MoltenMCI comparison with Candy Cadet’s story doesn’t work as Charlie isn’t the one who makes them into one. She only gives life to the 4 kids. Not 5 either. She never gave life to Golden Freddy, hence why Golden Freddy doesn’t have a physical body. It is a spirit.
The only other story that makes sense the kittens one, which suggests that the kid isn't the one who did the killing, rather the snake did, and he simply stitched up the kittens.
It’s very clear Charlie can’t be the child as Charlie has never been ignorant to evil and has always been trying to rectify the evil
2) If Sister Location happens after FNAF 1, who is the protagonist of FNAF throughout all the games? Sister Location happening before FNAF 2 gives Michael's motivations throughout the games to be a security guard to find his father. MoltenMCI leaves no narrative consistency for Michael's motivations (assuming he is the protag). I would assume you think it is Michael since you brought up the logbook and Michael seeing phantoms is because of the trauma of the past locations (I disagree with the point that it is agony, as we can see Michael have palpitations and fainting (which is consistent with PTSD). We also see Michael burning down FNAF 3, which suggests that Michael has been going door to door burning down the pizzerias. Though I admit that is a major leap as we never see the buildings burn down.
3) I think the most strongest argument against RockstarMCI and other alteratives against Molten MCI that was given was indeed the phone guy lines. It's puzzling to me as we only know of 4 locations prior to sister location being fredbear's family diner, FNAF, FNAF 1, and FNAF 3. There have never been any other indications of other freddy chains besides existing in the games. Your photo of the newspaper blurbs aren't talking about other Freddy Chains as it is singular not plural. You are making a huge leap to suggest it's other freddy chains that it's mentioning when Scott himself readily admitted that he was not constructing the lore of FNAF when he made FNAF 1, which suggests the newspaper blurbs are about the FNAF 1 location.
I think this sums up my problems with the theory you are proposing, for me I believe criticism 2 is more important and the rest tertiary as I believe Sister Location happening prior to Fnaf 2 creates more narrative consistently overall for the story as a whole and who we play and the reasons why they do their actions.
Is not dumb to say they were locked twice if we assume that William committed his crimes as a security guard, which means that he probably had a way to open them and use them to hide the bodies unbeknownst to the company hence why the animatronics can't access the room during the mini-games but William does and then the spirits corner him in the room because we'll they can go through doors. They were first locked because of the investigation and to prevent it from happening again and then opened when the dust settled only to find his corpse there and lock it again.
This implies he dies in FNAF 2 and harvested the FNAF 1s... while they're still active, and before FNAF 1 where they're still active.
I still think henry went to jail. Then the house change makes more sense
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh phantom freddy having two full leg's he's missing half of his right leg
What about Sister Location happening during William staying in the safe room. It would explain how an un-springlocked William actually told Michael to go down into the bunker at the start of Sister Location, as Michael says William told him what to do in explicit detail, and how the Funtime animatronics weren't being rented out during Sister Location, because William wasn't there to actually rent them out.
Ennard could of easily went to go to the old FNAF 1 location after leaving Michaels body, because thats where he new William was. Baby knew Michael wasn't William but the Funtimes didn't so when they went to look for William they couldn't find him after he was sealed away and took the remnant/agony from the original animatronic endos.
The Funtimes have remnant, as why would they attack someone who they thing is their creator, but they don't have to be split from the original animatronics. Instead they could be injected by remnant from the kids William used for his remnant experiments.
The original souls are obviously not soul splitas they're full spirits are shown in the FNAF 3 minigame, but since they became one with the original animatronics, who were used to make the Toy Animatronics, the Toys have remnant/agony from the originals in them as the actual remnant infused parts were used to make them.
So after William took the toys, he injected the remnant from them into the Funtimes.
toy animatronics and classic animatronics have different souls, in addition to funtimeMCI/moltenMCI being confirmed by fnaf 6 and the books
@@Emanuel-qo1jw yes but after dismantling the original animatronics William was springlocked so he can't of used them
@@DJBurns-jq8mn The funtime animatronics and moltenMCI is a retcon
@@Emanuel-qo1jw how and Scott said there is only one retcon and that was before Sister Location
@@DJBurns-jq8mn The point is that Scott's speech probably refers to dream theory
Additionally, moltenMCI was confirmed in fnaf 6.
Tbh I think Molten MCI was always cannon, and people who are just having trouble believing it just triggers me! Let's have a Scott logic! I mean, why the hell would Henry care about the Funtime spaghetti if they weren't possessed? Why show the Molten MCI plot in the Fourth Closet? We know the books have parallels that help with the lore! It would make sense for the series to have one of the final threats to be the MCI! The series ends with what it started! The MCI!
Would you be interested in hearing me and a friend of mines fnaf theory on how William Afton became glitchtrap
Me on my way to timmy's birthday party:
Ultimate Guide... is not for theorist to use.
The only problem I see with MoltenMCI is that if Golden Duo is true than the candy cadet stories can't work to support it due to the fact that it wouldn't be 5 becoming 1 it'd be 6 becoming 1 and that I think if it was 5 becomes 3 becomes 1 the stories wouldn't have said 5 separate things become 1 combined thing with no in-between it would've at least implied a 3rd step. With that gone I don't know any other thing that implies MoltenMCI.
Also you never mentioned the possibility of the Rockstars just being there. The pizza place in SB has both heavy stages so its possible. Lefty doesn't need to be on the stage for the completion ending leaving an extra space for whatever else. Also, we don't see any dismembered/burnt robots outside the ones in the blob so we can't prove they weren't all in the pizzeria by the end of the week. (or whenever the place burned.)
And as well as that I'm pretty sure phone dude said they didn't find a full suit the shells we see in fnaf 3 might have just been extras for the animatronics or something, maybe Henry only took bits and pieces or maybe he just took the endoskeletons like Afton does in the MoltonMCI situation.
If im being honest, i dont really understand why people are so adamant about molten MCI being a "fact" or "confirmed" theory when most of the "evidence" for it, like Henry's dialogue in fnaf 6 and candy cadet's stories are all really based on interpretation, and don't require you to take molten mci into consideration for them to make sense. Moreover, the idea that William transported the animatronic parts to the SL bunker in follow me to later melt them down into remnant to inject in the funtimes only works if follow me takes place on multiple days, as william wouldnt have time to do this otherwise, and its heavily implied that follow me happens on one night and that the animatronics were dismantled in the same time frame, as evidenced by the ongoing rain in each minigame.
@@freegracetruth77 Exactly, moltenMCI really doesn't really make sense if you actually think about it.
Goldenduo is a theory, Golden Freddy having more than 1 soul has never been confirmed
@@freegracetruth77 retcon
fnaf was supposed to end in fnaf 3, scott didn't intend to create ennard or the funtime animatronic when fnaf 3 was released
@@starbonnie552 moltenMCI its canon
Great video!
8:20 so basically william is a furry
im probably gonna look dumb but what does MCI mean
i found out, it means missing children incident
RockstarMCI makes more sense, sorry
How though
@@tamaritamarileonardo394then why do pictures of the rockstars appear in the office? RockstarMCI also makes sense time wise because William running back and forth between his workshop and the pizzaria always felt weird but the animatronics being destroyed, William getting killed and Henry sealing him off and building the rockstars with the animatronics feels better. Also, the AR emails and faz-facts are confirmed canon by Scott and one of them said Rockstar Bonnie was built off of the original Bonnie. Without RockstarMCI, this maked no sense. Obviously Rockstar Bonnie is based on Bonnie, why would we need a whole fact telling us that. Now yes, the rockstars not being needed for the true ending is somewhat damming but LeftyMCI makes up for that. Imo, RockstarMCI or LeftyMCI are equally plausible but I lean more towards RockstarMCI because otherwise they're completely insignificant
@@gaminganimators7000 MoltenMCI its canon