when he pointed to the screen and said, " I see you, studio executive who wants to remake Memento. I see you," I laughed. Because he probably knows exactly what he's talking about
No he doesn't. He doesn't have the pulse of squat. He's just another alt-righter. He's also not a part of the industry, unless you consider irrelevant D-list talent who has never done anything of note, a part of the industry.
I gotta say I have mad respect for the way he lays it out without devolving into an unproductive rant. Reading through the comments section on the other hand . . .
I recently spoke with a former industry professional back with 20+ years spanning the 70s - 90s. They wore many hats, including producer, casting director, etc., and worked with many big names, but the reason he cited knowing it was time to leave was when they were told that the script had to have a serious laugh (as a comedy) at least every two pages. They noted it was then that they decided to walk away and never looked back. Thus began the "paint by numbers" era.
I knew it!!! People tried to tell me it wasn't so but there had to be a big reason for the Jokey feel of all these damn movies, and now I know for certain
Going back 40 years, the problem was that there wasn't enough theatre space, and people needed to line up around the block to gain admission. Just to buy their tickets! This could go on for months, and the problem was exacerbated by people wanting to re-watch the film, especially when they wanted to re-watch multiple times. Sometimes you'd need to kick people out who would try to stay in the theatre and re-watch the film immediately after having just seen the film. Hollywood's solution was to focus on films that were less inspiring, and without ideas and appeal that would encourage such demand. Note that Hollywood mainly profits from the opening weeks, after which the theatre chains are the main beneficiaries. But when films would cause enduring demand over months for a given film, this made theatre chains too successful, which meant that Hollywood had less control over distribution. So the current state of film has been carefully achieved, essentially a delicate balance, where Hollywood provides a financial incentive to theatre chains to provide enough screens for Hollywood to earn their big Box Office returns, but not enable chains to have an excessively powerful voice.
Mad Max: Fury Road in 2015 was mine. First time in decades that I'd gotten truly excited for a film and then wasn't let down by it at all when I finally saw it. I usually try to avoid going to movie theaters, but I went to see that one two days in a row.
I am so grateful I got to experience movies and movie culture in the 80s and 90s before internet, social media, youtube, video games etc became too dominant a force to compete with for peoples attention and headspace. I think culture has just changed and those days are gone. It will never be what it was.
Ban box ticking. This is killing entertainment, diluting quality for diversity etc. I've been questioning whether to stop writing. You can't create a natural story and even if you strike gold, studios will change it drastically anyway. If you can't enjoy writing it then seeing it will not be a fun experience. Ignore me. I'm in a severely bad mood about The Rings of Power 😂
I would start greenlighting scripts with a budget of 30-60 million that tell great stories with great practical effects. From there I'd prove we don't need every movie to make 400 million plus. We can diversify movies and still make our money back. Just tell a story people want to see
Allow people who are further right-wing than Hugo Chavez to actually tell stories. That'll open up the available talent pool from 1% of the population to the other 99%. Just as there are required racial diversity quotas that must be met, there should also be worldview quotas. Not only does Hollywood repeat the same IP and stories, they are also repeating the same insular worldview. Great art is often made when a minority opinion challenges the majority opinion. In Hollywood it's simply the CA majority opinion constantly preaching to the choir. We need to allow people from outside of the sexular humanist choir to come in and challenge the leftist worldview and make more challenging movies.
The best film I saw so far this year was _The Worst Person in the World_ in French with subtitles. No big names. No CGI. No licenced IPs. Not made to suit the Chinese censors. Just a good romantic comedy.
Top Gun Maverick is the first movie in years that felt like a great ride. Seen it three times so far. Most action movies and big studio movies in general seem so bland or artificial. Top Gun Maverick was just a legitimate fun movie to watch in the theaters. Tom Cruise just keeps delivering.
That's the problem. The studio will probably shit out a 3rd top gun in the next couple years, then a spinoff with rooster and destroy all the good will Maverick received.
typical studio producer room , " i want a prequal of.." "No it should be a sequal" "No , it should be a quiqual" "what the hell is a quequal" "I dont care , but it must BE related to..."
Chris Gore! Chris Gore! Chris Gore! ( sorry, just felt the need for a rousing cheer). Chris makes so much common sense. I wish someone executive(s) could/would see this episode and take it to heart. The part where he disclosed that scouts actually went to conventions blew my mind. This needs to become a thing again, and not just in California.🎬
I love this interviewer’s calm and measured voice.. love also Chris’s off the scale passion for movies.. basically love all the Film Courage content, whether I agree with it or not. One question about up-and-coming film-makers.. No-one blinked an eye when Francis Coppola went from The Conversation to The Godfather, or when Steven Spielberg went from Sugarland Express to Jaws, but eyebrows were somewhat raised when Ridley Scott went from The Duellists to Alien, so (question) at what point are new or emerging directors now given the big bucks to make a personal vision? Does it even happen? Maybe Todd Haynes and Joker, but any others?
Great video. A movie being rewatchable to me is what truly makes film a great art form. They're things you grow with and revisit time and time again. It's been plain to see now that modern films are just lacking this key ingredient. But hey, maybe this will help foster people's attention to low budget filmmakers who are able to create new stories and flourish with more creative freedoms. Otherwise its Howard the Duck: Reloaded until the sun explodes.
Chris could've made it a separate point altogether with the indie film upbringing with budget. You can have a sub 100 mil budget and have an extraordinary experience with probably any genre.
I'm not a movie expert, but, as far as I can tell from my limited experience, Hollywood cares about only three things these days: 1) Money, 1st & foremost. 2) Political correctness. We can't risk offending the flavor of the moment. 3) Pandering to the flavor of the moment. How can we cash in on the current hype in the news.
Or they just have no talent and people who want to work in Hollywood are wiling to crawl and kiss feet and sellout their friends. Can you really compare to young generation who want to parasite on other peoples greatness vs someone who is passionate and from a generation that actually read books and lived a hard life?
Film entertainment enterprises were purchased by foreign corporations or their umbrellas two to three decades ago. This ushered in a new perspective on film making where art & artists were no longer relevant. Instead algorithms & the highest profit margins only matter to corporate share holders globally. Films by film corporations known popularly as studios are made for shareholders today. In the 50's the film industry was government mandated for the masses when the family genre ruled. Film history by era, specifically by decade within the U.S. has distinct flavors. On the flip side there's now more opportunity to create indie films without a hefty profit margin, but today there's an easier avenue for potential discovery by wealthier producers & their companies.
@@MysterianFilmGroup another xenophobic nonsense, its everyones fault but yours. Maybe American public just suck.. its not Hollywood only, but all the indie games suck. Imagine Half Life being better and that game has worse graphics.
Hollywood execs have always only cared about money, being inoffensive and chasing trends. In broad strokes, the problem they had before the 1980s was that execs did not understand the writing process and how to edit a script or instruct a writer in specific language or terms. Most execs only knew what they liked and what they believed was acceptable to audiences. Plus, the few execs who worked directly with the writers were art lovers and sympathetic to writers needs as creatives. And so, they protected the writer's vision. Broad strokes, OK? Then along came Syd Field and Robert McKee, etc - basically, failed writers - who came in as script consultants/editors and wrote books showing the execs a supposedly winning paradigm based on their analysis of the script structure, etc. that worked for successful movies in the recent past. This was basically the cookie cutter approach the execs had wanted all along. A formula. Since then, it's mostly been about comparing scripts to the paradigm created by these script gurus which is based on successful movies of the past. They forget that the scripts for those successful movies were original at the time the movies were getting made. This is how they killed original screenwriting for the cookie cutter approach. This is why audiences complain that Hollywood movies are all the same. This is why execs are hung up on paradigms and comparable titles. This is why Hollywood is dying as a global creative hub. You wanna blame someone for killing originality in writing? Blame the bottom-feeding script editors and anyone who's ever sold or promoted a paradigm. They turned their backs on originality and voted for mediocrity. They think like the executives and only care about the bottom line.
You are absolutely correct my friend. The formula. A made up McGuffin for studio execs to sleep better at night. I’ve been riding screenplays since the early 2000s. If I wrote a horror movie that had a funny scene in it they would ask me. “It’s scary, but why does it have to have humor in it? “ these people have such a narrow mind when it comes to material. If it’s a comedy that has an edgy scene they don’t think it belongs in a comedy. If it’s a horror movie can’t be funny. If it’s an action adventure movie, It can’t have anything scary in it. Oh, All the gatekeepers who reads everybody’s screen plays sleep with Sid fields book next to their bed every night and our failed writers themselves Who work for the studios and can’t get their own shit on the screen. There are many talented writers out there and an insane amount of original stories that we will never see because the next generation never got their shot.
@@carmenbrucato784 Agreed. The thing is that as creatives we must have the courage of our convictions and be prepared to embrace failure. For me, this means going out and working independently to get things made. Not every time, but for certain projects that come from a deep place. I believe there's a hidden reward in failure that sows the seeds of growth and future achievement. But only when I fail on my own terms.
Agreed but these gurus and their formulas were to de-risk the investment, which is logical when scaling up to service an ever growing audience. Ultimately a film is a commercial property that has to make money. Even though it's not ideal I think it up to writers today to break the wheel and make low budget, original screenplay films (eg Blair Witch project) that are commercially successful. At which point the big machine we are so frustrated with will seek to mimic a new model and thus create new opportunities for all
I bought SUPER after watching it in theatres. That was really fun to watch as the story unfolded. I feel like Stanger Than Fiction doesn't get enough love. Its an interesting twist on a familiar thrope in movies.
@@juabenrodriguez9113 TopGun Maverick is safe, predictable, ruined the ending of the original, music was good along with The Who, action was good, Glen Powell/Hangman was good and should have been the lead character Mav should have been side character or retired by now, Russia instead of Communist China being the bad guys was boring, Maverick still not over Goose after all of these decades was bad, Mav and Rooster fighting after all these decades was bad, F18 Hornet cannot beat the sexy F14 Tomcat, the F14 Tomcat made the last minutes of the movie good, TGM opening was soft, not enough rock music but then again today's music is crap. Top Gun Maverick should have been released in 1996, I dont understand how Tom Cruise said he had to wait for a good script to make this move when this story could have been made decades ago. Holliwierd should stop making sequels period.
Part of the problem is the shrinking number of genres. There used to be tons of westerns, noire, screwball comedies, musicals. They are all gone. They represented thousands of movies that no no one is interested in.
Ghost World is a great movie based on a great comic book, just like he said. Additionally, the movie could almost be a direct prequel to Lost in Translation.
To this day I have no clue how he went from that to Batman in such a short span. Both films are worlds apart, there's definitely more at work than talent alone.
@@James-nv1wf from what I heard, his pitch was EXACTLY what the execs wanted to hear. Let that sink in. Christopher "Mind Fuck" Nolan's pitch was the SAFEST bet out of all the other pitches before him.... ok, to be fair, he was out-mind fucked by Darren Aronofsky's initial pitch.
When Memento first came out, nobody knew Nolans name at all. It wasn't until Batman begins came out that he started getting more recognition. Yes he's done insomnia but it didn't gather attention when it came out.
Honestly so refreshing to some discuss Hollywood like this. I’ve felt like a crazy person with how disappointed I’ve been going to the movies lately. Need to start a movement called make new shit.
Note to hollywood: Fund the up-and-comers who happen to be above 50 years old. The people who lived the era, who have within them "the felt the presence of experiencing" when the phenomena of great movies was actually taking place. It is not only the young who have talent, and dreams of making movies.
Film entertainment enterprises were purchased by foreign corporations or their umbrellas two to three decades ago. This ushered in a new perspective on film making where art & artists were no longer relevant. Instead algorithms & the highest profit margins only matter to corporate share holders globally. Films by film corporations known popularly as studios are made for shareholders today. In the 50's the film industry was government mandated for the masses when the family genre ruled. Film history by era, specifically by decade within the U.S. has distinct flavors. On the flip side there's now more opportunity to create indie films although without a hefty profit margin, but today there's an easier avenue for potential discovery by wealthier producers & their companies.
Is there an audience for Lawrence of Arabia 1959 or Spartacus 1960 these days? So few 'large vista' films that are decided adult these days , I was quite entertained by Blade Runner 2049, or the recent Dune part 1, or say The Ballad of Buster Scruggs .... imaginative genera films .... not many of those.
He speaks such truth to the core of issues at large: Greed. All innovations were made out of creativity and necessity. But at some point down the track someone will along and soullessly clone the innovation for mass production. What you're left with is a replicant shell with a rotten core. The heart is missing and the product becomes a ghost of what inspired it.
This might sound controversial, but I think the quickest and easiest and possibly most fun way to fix the cinema landscape is to actually educate consumers on what a good movie really is. The main way I would do this is very simple: show young people really good movies. Set aside something like Friday or Saturday afternoons at school where they all can sit in an auditorium or or classroom with a screen and watch a classic, important, and/or essential movie that has great value as an artistic work. Basically, we would be shaping the taste of moviegoers at a young age so as to sort of force Hollywood to make better movies.
While this sounds good in theory, I feel like that is exactly what schools tried to do with books for decades... I myself have become an avid reader, but it took me 20 years or so, after high school, to give the classics another chance, because forcing them on young me, made me despise them for a long time. And plenty of people, even those that do read, mainly read what I would compare to bland modern movies, so making them read classics did not help. But yeah, might be worth a try, i guess.
@@Bunny_Aoife I see what you're saying, but movies and books are totally different things. They're only 1-3 hours long at least/most and you'd be with your friends while doing it. It would double as a socialization tool.
Young writers cannot be good until they gain life experience. I have been fostering my writing career on my own for 20 years, which means that I have WAY more to offer than a 20 year old film student who has grown up with mediocre entertainment.
The best Hollywood movie I’ve seen later was The Unbearable Weight if Massive Talent. A fun movie that didn’t take itself too seriously but worked at every level
The Mission Impossible films feel like events to me. I don't get that feeling with much of anything else. The MCU used to be an event, but that feeling is gone.
unfortunately, Creatives can’t stop what Suits are doing. that’s up to the Audience, as ROI is the only language Suits speak at the end of the day. it has to become too much of a financial risk to make dross (to usurp and pimp Creatives).
I think streaming has fundamentally changed the way we consume media, which alters the intended delivery of the material from the writers and people in charge of the movies and shows we watch
Streaming has definitely lowered people's standards even further. "It was GREAT because I saw it for FREE (other than my $14.95/mo. streaming fee and $90/mo. internet fee)!"
It makes me mad how nobody talks about Chaos Walking. Great, enjoyable movie with such an original idea. It may be a little formulaic, but it's a great formula and a great movie. I cannot stress it enough how original the idea is.
But also there’s a studio executive who’s probably watching this and thinking, “yeh’d like to give that new, talented, young filmmaker 50 million to make something else that original but how do we know it won’t get over taken at the box office by that latest marvel film or latest 100 million dollar IP? To compete with that the marketing would cost more than the movie it self and the wide release cost would add to that. We’d have to make sure their next movie gets either Oscar attention or get them to direct our next 100 million dollar IP movie we have. And hope they don’t fuck it up in the process for both.” Ok that’s a bit far as a cynical take but it’s not entirely wrong. A lot of producers your can watch in interviews (or I recommend Hollywood roundtables) speek about competition and that the idea ‘good’ might not be ‘good enough!’ The problem isn’t so much that studio have stopped makings original movies all together (they realy haven’t) but that the middle class of filmmaking is kinda dead. The margins for movies making money is either on the low end making the movie for cheap and doing well enough that it makes big percentage payout. Or you have ridiculous high margins of big studio that basically need to set new records at the box office just to break even. This is why most of these otherwise creative and mid budget movie ideas are going to streaming as tv shows now because the margines don’t work for movies anymore. At least that not actually true because nothing is ever set in stone in Hollywood and big Studios still have a part to play if they are going to try and stay relevant to foster creativity in their medium. Time to stop looking so much and the damn numbers and actually talent scout like Studios used to do back in the day!
Frankly said, classic movies like The Godfather, Doktor Shivago, The Sand Pebbles, Stalag 17, The Bridge on the River Kwai etc., can and will not be made today because of all the neccessary box ticking. As an example, The Sand Pebbles would not be made today alone for the fact that it would offend China which Hollywood is massively pandering to. And so on and so forth. You can't fix a terminally ill patient, it's as simple as that.
William Goldman famously said: “Nobody knows anything...... Not one person in the entire motion picture field knows for a certainty what's going to work. Every time out it's a guess and, if you're lucky, an educated one.” That is never truer than today. Since corporates took over film making decades ago, the title studio executive is simply a joke.
I wrote a great story told backwards, last year. I hope to make it this year. I like making stories which nobody is seizing and editing. Like my saga: Zombies In Hertford
I don’t understand why Hollywood doesn’t try to remake something that had potential but for whatever reason didn’t succeed. There was a show on NBC in the late 1980s called “Crime Story”. It was a great show, but it only lasted two seasons. I will submit to you that if somebody remade that show today and set it in the early 1970s or early 1980s versus the early 1960s, it would be a hit show on a streaming service. I prefer original ideas, though. Same for TV shows. Haven’t we got enough shows about cops, lawyers, doctors, vampires, and reality tv?
Karen doesn't like (or love) any of my comments yet she has Chris Gore on . That's weird for me. Most of what I say or how I feel about the modern film industry aligns with Chris. Yet Chris is on here. That's either some good news and she's coming around to seeing what we've been saying for years...or.... she doesn't agree with me (or Chris) yet some degree of professional obligation has him on the show. 🤷♂️. Thats not so bad I guess... cos there's degrees of identity/woke people out there that won't listen at all... and double down OR My comments just suck. Just like this one lol. hey here's a positive once again, atleast I'm not banned !😅 (like I am on many other channels l)
One of the main problems in Hollywood right now is studios prioritising race and gender rather than talent. I'm completely supporting equality at any job. But whoever the person might be, he or she should be talented for the job. When you pick your showrunners, directors, screenwriters from talentless people and/or persons with no knowledge of the source material, ultimately that movie or series fails. You should choose talent without looking for anything else.
It's not that good screenwriting never shows up in a movie or TV show. It's that the decision makers in show business don't know or care much about it. It's not high on their priority list. So when you're looking at actual productions that get made, the average competence level in the screenwriting is way below the standard in pretty much every other area. How often do you see really bad cinematography or VFX or acting in a mainstream production these days? Way less often than you see bad writing. And I don't mean obscure technical flaws. I mean glaring, gaping holes in the logic of story or plot or character that snap the average viewer out of immersion. Or a sort of competence that's soulless and formulaic. Viewers have to do a lot of work overlooking these problems just to enjoy the show. Imagine if the average acting or camera work or continuity editing were like that. The result would be unwatchable. And that's the industry standard for writing. I think that's a bad value system, even if you're an investor who only cares about money.
I can see some positive aspects in low budget films, but it's starting to become a very distinct cliche these days...usually they just about "nothing" and feels like "nothing". I think alot of movies these days need to look on very soulful movies like Wings of Desire and what made artistic films stand out.
Wait a minute. You're telling me that Nolan, Gunn, et al. weren't just handed high profile Star Wars and Marvel series to run and direct as their first real jobs out of film school? 🙄
Independent creators are on the rise thank fuck! And I'm one of em, was tired of the crap going down in comics and now I'm shooting my shot with my own comic line. Already on Issue 4 and counting!
when he pointed to the screen and said, " I see you, studio executive who wants to remake Memento. I see you," I laughed. Because he probably knows exactly what he's talking about
If you ever see a news announcement you'll remember this video
There have been several attempts to remake it in the last 8 years, as both female-centric film and as TV series, but they have both been cancelled.
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thank God! 😁
This dude really has the pulse of current Hollywood down to a tee! So refreshing to hear that some people within the industry actually gets it?
No he doesn't. He doesn't have the pulse of squat. He's just another alt-righter. He's also not a part of the industry, unless you consider irrelevant D-list talent who has never done anything of note, a part of the industry.
What's ur question ?
I gotta say I have mad respect for the way he lays it out without devolving into an unproductive rant.
Reading through the comments section on the other hand . . .
He’s not really “in” the industry. Chris is adjacent. Hopefully someone in the industry steals his ideas and looks like a genius though.
"I see you, studio executive!" 😁😄😆
I recently spoke with a former industry professional back with 20+ years spanning the 70s - 90s. They wore many hats, including producer, casting director, etc., and worked with many big names, but the reason he cited knowing it was time to leave was when they were told that the script had to have a serious laugh (as a comedy) at least every two pages. They noted it was then that they decided to walk away and never looked back. Thus began the "paint by numbers" era.
Hence the Marvel-esque jokey joke humour in almost EVERY film released nowadays. It’s so boring and cliche.
@@crazyralph6386, absolutely.
I knew it!!! People tried to tell me it wasn't so but there had to be a big reason for the Jokey feel of all these damn movies, and now I know for certain
Going back 40 years, the problem was that there wasn't enough theatre space, and people needed to line up around the block to gain admission. Just to buy their tickets! This could go on for months, and the problem was exacerbated by people wanting to re-watch the film, especially when they wanted to re-watch multiple times. Sometimes you'd need to kick people out who would try to stay in the theatre and re-watch the film immediately after having just seen the film.
Hollywood's solution was to focus on films that were less inspiring, and without ideas and appeal that would encourage such demand. Note that Hollywood mainly profits from the opening weeks, after which the theatre chains are the main beneficiaries. But when films would cause enduring demand over months for a given film, this made theatre chains too successful, which meant that Hollywood had less control over distribution.
So the current state of film has been carefully achieved, essentially a delicate balance, where Hollywood provides a financial incentive to theatre chains to provide enough screens for Hollywood to earn their big Box Office returns, but not enable chains to have an excessively powerful voice.
Last time I had "that feeling" was probably 1993's Jurassic Park.
Exactly; that's why I will not watch any of the sequels.
Mad Max: Fury Road in 2015 was mine. First time in decades that I'd gotten truly excited for a film and then wasn't let down by it at all when I finally saw it. I usually try to avoid going to movie theaters, but I went to see that one two days in a row.
I watched EVERY VIDEO of this guy... I love his arguments. Make more videos with him! :)
Look up Film Threat, that is Chris' channel.
I am so grateful I got to experience movies and movie culture in the 80s and 90s before internet, social media, youtube, video games etc became too dominant a force to compete with for peoples attention and headspace. I think culture has just changed and those days are gone. It will never be what it was.
How would you fix Hollywood movies?
Easy, just end the Social Justice Warrior Woke Garbage Propaganda being shoved down our throats and stop kissing China's ass for their money!!!
Ban box ticking. This is killing entertainment, diluting quality for diversity etc. I've been questioning whether to stop writing. You can't create a natural story and even if you strike gold, studios will change it drastically anyway. If you can't enjoy writing it then seeing it will not be a fun experience.
Ignore me. I'm in a severely bad mood about The Rings of Power 😂
I would start greenlighting scripts with a budget of 30-60 million that tell great stories with great practical effects. From there I'd prove we don't need every movie to make 400 million plus. We can diversify movies and still make our money back. Just tell a story people want to see
Firing a lot of people.
Allow people who are further right-wing than Hugo Chavez to actually tell stories. That'll open up the available talent pool from 1% of the population to the other 99%.
Just as there are required racial diversity quotas that must be met, there should also be worldview quotas. Not only does Hollywood repeat the same IP and stories, they are also repeating the same insular worldview. Great art is often made when a minority opinion challenges the majority opinion. In Hollywood it's simply the CA majority opinion constantly preaching to the choir. We need to allow people from outside of the sexular humanist choir to come in and challenge the leftist worldview and make more challenging movies.
The best film I saw so far this year was _The Worst Person in the World_ in French with subtitles.
No big names. No CGI. No licenced IPs. Not made to suit the Chinese censors. Just a good romantic comedy.
I saw a fun Japanese movie this year called 'Hero' (although I think it technically came out last year).. subtitled of course.
Are you sure it wasn't in the original Norwegian language?
@@daviie maybe he meant French subtitles and thats his native language
@@daviie My mistake. It was in Norwegian. Thanks for the correction.
Duder What do you do?
Top Gun Maverick is the first movie in years that felt like a great ride. Seen it three times so far. Most action movies and big studio movies in general seem so bland or artificial. Top Gun Maverick was just a legitimate fun movie to watch in the theaters. Tom Cruise just keeps delivering.
Top Gun 3 Vengeance
That's the problem. The studio will probably shit out a 3rd top gun in the next couple years, then a spinoff with rooster and destroy all the good will Maverick received.
TG:M is the best theater film in over a decade. The live enthusiasm was electric, as was the story and realism.
Fallout also
@@wking8 Tom is good to make a sequel it's better than waiting like Indiana Jones did
...rising action...climax...falling action...it's a rollercoaster ride of emotions...
So true. Team work produces great work. Well said, Chris. Thanks Karen.
typical studio producer room , " i want a prequal of.." "No it should be a sequal" "No , it should be a quiqual" "what the hell is a quequal" "I dont care , but it must BE related to..."
Always appreciated. Thank you.
Chris Gore! Chris Gore! Chris Gore! ( sorry, just felt the need for a rousing cheer). Chris makes so much common sense. I wish someone executive(s) could/would see this episode and take it to heart. The part where he disclosed that scouts actually went to conventions blew my mind. This needs to become a thing again, and not just in California.🎬
I love this interviewer’s calm and measured voice.. love also Chris’s off the scale passion for movies.. basically love all the Film Courage content, whether I agree with it or not. One question about up-and-coming film-makers.. No-one blinked an eye when Francis Coppola went from The Conversation to The Godfather, or when Steven Spielberg went from Sugarland Express to Jaws, but eyebrows were somewhat raised when Ridley Scott went from The Duellists to Alien, so (question) at what point are new or emerging directors now given the big bucks to make a personal vision? Does it even happen? Maybe Todd Haynes and Joker, but any others?
Memento is a time when DVD was king nobody can expect the greatness again
This guy needs a podcast or weekly youtube show, I could watch him for hours
More Chris.
Hail chris gore
Yes! Chris Gore is the man!
He's a legend ! (Old AOTS fan here)
0:45 I've had that feeling recently with The Batman, Dune and The Northman
Great video. A movie being rewatchable to me is what truly makes film a great art form. They're things you grow with and revisit time and time again. It's been plain to see now that modern films are just lacking this key ingredient. But hey, maybe this will help foster people's attention to low budget filmmakers who are able to create new stories and flourish with more creative freedoms. Otherwise its Howard the Duck: Reloaded until the sun explodes.
Chris could've made it a separate point altogether with the indie film upbringing with budget. You can have a sub 100 mil budget and have an extraordinary experience with probably any genre.
I'm not a movie expert, but, as far as I can tell from my limited experience, Hollywood cares about only three things these days:
1) Money, 1st & foremost.
2) Political correctness. We can't risk offending the flavor of the moment.
3) Pandering to the flavor of the moment. How can we cash in on the current hype in the news.
Or they just have no talent and people who want to work in Hollywood are wiling to crawl and kiss feet and sellout their friends. Can you really compare to young generation who want to parasite on other peoples greatness vs someone who is passionate and from a generation that actually read books and lived a hard life?
Pesos, politics, and pandering... about right.
That’s pretty much right, how did we go from making art like The Godfather to shit like The Rise of Skywalker.
Film entertainment enterprises were purchased by foreign corporations or their umbrellas two to three decades ago. This ushered in a new perspective on film making where art & artists were no longer relevant. Instead algorithms & the highest profit margins only matter to corporate share holders globally. Films by film corporations known popularly as studios are made for shareholders today. In the 50's the film industry was government mandated for the masses when the family genre ruled. Film history by era, specifically by decade within the U.S. has distinct flavors. On the flip side there's now more opportunity to create indie films without a hefty profit margin, but today there's an easier avenue for potential discovery by wealthier producers & their companies.
@@MysterianFilmGroup another xenophobic nonsense, its everyones fault but yours. Maybe American public just suck.. its not Hollywood only, but all the indie games suck. Imagine Half Life being better and that game has worse graphics.
Hollywood execs have always only cared about money, being inoffensive and chasing trends. In broad strokes, the problem they had before the 1980s was that execs did not understand the writing process and how to edit a script or instruct a writer in specific language or terms. Most execs only knew what they liked and what they believed was acceptable to audiences.
Plus, the few execs who worked directly with the writers were art lovers and sympathetic to writers needs as creatives. And so, they protected the writer's vision.
Broad strokes, OK?
Then along came Syd Field and Robert McKee, etc - basically, failed writers - who came in as script consultants/editors and wrote books showing the execs a supposedly winning paradigm based on their analysis of the script structure, etc. that worked for successful movies in the recent past. This was basically the cookie cutter approach the execs had wanted all along. A formula.
Since then, it's mostly been about comparing scripts to the paradigm created by these script gurus which is based on successful movies of the past. They forget that the scripts for those successful movies were original at the time the movies were getting made.
This is how they killed original screenwriting for the cookie cutter approach. This is why audiences complain that Hollywood movies are all the same. This is why execs are hung up on paradigms and comparable titles. This is why Hollywood is dying as a global creative hub. You wanna blame someone for killing originality in writing? Blame the bottom-feeding script editors and anyone who's ever sold or promoted a paradigm. They turned their backs on originality and voted for mediocrity. They think like the executives and only care about the bottom line.
You are absolutely correct my friend. The formula. A made up McGuffin for studio execs to sleep better at night. I’ve been riding screenplays since the early 2000s. If I wrote a horror movie that had a funny scene in it they would ask me. “It’s scary, but why does it have to have humor in it? “ these people have such a narrow mind when it comes to material. If it’s a comedy that has an edgy scene they don’t think it belongs in a comedy. If it’s a horror movie can’t be funny. If it’s an action adventure movie, It can’t have anything scary in it. Oh, All the gatekeepers who reads everybody’s screen plays sleep with Sid fields book next to their bed every night and our failed writers themselves Who work for the studios and can’t get their own shit on the screen. There are many talented writers out there and an insane amount of original stories that we will never see because the next generation never got their shot.
@@carmenbrucato784 Agreed. The thing is that as creatives we must have the courage of our convictions and be prepared to embrace failure. For me, this means going out and working independently to get things made. Not every time, but for certain projects that come from a deep place. I believe there's a hidden reward in failure that sows the seeds of growth and future achievement. But only when I fail on my own terms.
Agreed but these gurus and their formulas were to de-risk the investment, which is logical when scaling up to service an ever growing audience. Ultimately a film is a commercial property that has to make money.
Even though it's not ideal I think it up to writers today to break the wheel and make low budget, original screenplay films (eg Blair Witch project) that are commercially successful. At which point the big machine we are so frustrated with will seek to mimic a new model and thus create new opportunities for all
I bought SUPER after watching it in theatres. That was really fun to watch as the story unfolded.
I feel like Stanger Than Fiction doesn't get enough love. Its an interesting twist on a familiar thrope in movies.
I would really like to know what Chris Gore thinks of Top Gun: Maverick.
He liked it, he said it in his channel.
It’s a cinematic triumph, he’d like it.
@@thekeikoprojectdocumentary well glad to hear that Top Gun Maverick is part of the 1% of movies today
He adores this movie.
@@juabenrodriguez9113 TopGun Maverick is safe, predictable, ruined the ending of the original, music was good along with The Who, action was good, Glen Powell/Hangman was good and should have been the lead character Mav should have been side character or retired by now, Russia instead of Communist China being the bad guys was boring, Maverick still not over Goose after all of these decades was bad, Mav and Rooster fighting after all these decades was bad, F18 Hornet cannot beat the sexy F14 Tomcat, the F14 Tomcat made the last minutes of the movie good, TGM opening was soft, not enough rock music but then again today's music is crap. Top Gun Maverick should have been released in 1996, I dont understand how Tom Cruise said he had to wait for a good script to make this move when this story could have been made decades ago. Holliwierd should stop making sequels period.
Part of the problem is the shrinking number of genres. There used to be tons of westerns, noire, screwball comedies, musicals. They are all gone. They represented thousands of movies that no no one is interested in.
KP, we need, as an audience, to *WANT* great movies again.
All I could think of when I saw the thumbnail was, "Push the button, Frank!"
Ghost World is a great movie based on a great comic book, just like he said. Additionally, the movie could almost be a direct prequel to Lost in Translation.
In episode 5,956 of man rants to camera...
I just watched Memento a week ago. I loved it! Maybe more so because of all the bland stuff released nowadays, but it was great!
I saw Chris Nolan’s The Following. I found it particularly underwhelming but fairly impressive.
It was a promising start.
To this day I have no clue how he went from that to Batman in such a short span. Both films are worlds apart, there's definitely more at work than talent alone.
@@James-nv1wf from what I heard, his pitch was EXACTLY what the execs wanted to hear. Let that sink in. Christopher "Mind Fuck" Nolan's pitch was the SAFEST bet out of all the other pitches before him.... ok, to be fair, he was out-mind fucked by Darren Aronofsky's initial pitch.
I love Film Courage!
When Memento first came out, nobody knew Nolans name at all. It wasn't until Batman begins came out that he started getting more recognition. Yes he's done insomnia but it didn't gather attention when it came out.
Honestly so refreshing to some discuss Hollywood like this. I’ve felt like a crazy person with how disappointed I’ve been going to the movies lately. Need to start a movement called make new shit.
His interviews are always great!
Note to hollywood: Fund the up-and-comers who happen to be above 50 years old. The people who lived the era, who have within them "the felt the presence of experiencing" when the phenomena of great movies was actually taking place. It is not only the young who have talent, and dreams of making movies.
Film entertainment enterprises were purchased by foreign corporations or their umbrellas two to three decades ago. This ushered in a new perspective on film making where art & artists were no longer relevant. Instead algorithms & the highest profit margins only matter to corporate share holders globally. Films by film corporations known popularly as studios are made for shareholders today. In the 50's the film industry was government mandated for the masses when the family genre ruled. Film history by era, specifically by decade within the U.S. has distinct flavors. On the flip side there's now more opportunity to create indie films although without a hefty profit margin, but today there's an easier avenue for potential discovery by wealthier producers & their companies.
I hadn't had that feeling since Die Hard. When I was excited to go back watch it again. I miss the feeling.
Closest thing I have had to this experience was Everything Everywhere all at once.
Is there an audience for Lawrence of Arabia 1959 or Spartacus 1960 these days? So few 'large vista' films that are decided adult these days , I was quite entertained by Blade Runner 2049, or the recent Dune part 1, or say The Ballad of Buster Scruggs .... imaginative genera films .... not many of those.
Very indepth & well said !👍👍
He speaks such truth to the core of issues at large: Greed.
All innovations were made out of creativity and necessity. But at some point down the track someone will along and soullessly clone the innovation for mass production. What you're left with is a replicant shell with a rotten core. The heart is missing and the product becomes a ghost of what inspired it.
This might sound controversial, but I think the quickest and easiest and possibly most fun way to fix the cinema landscape is to actually educate consumers on what a good movie really is.
The main way I would do this is very simple: show young people really good movies. Set aside something like Friday or Saturday afternoons at school where they all can sit in an auditorium or or classroom with a screen and watch a classic, important, and/or essential movie that has great value as an artistic work.
Basically, we would be shaping the taste of moviegoers at a young age so as to sort of force Hollywood to make better movies.
While this sounds good in theory, I feel like that is exactly what schools tried to do with books for decades... I myself have become an avid reader, but it took me 20 years or so, after high school, to give the classics another chance, because forcing them on young me, made me despise them for a long time. And plenty of people, even those that do read, mainly read what I would compare to bland modern movies, so making them read classics did not help. But yeah, might be worth a try, i guess.
@@Bunny_Aoife I see what you're saying, but movies and books are totally different things. They're only 1-3 hours long at least/most and you'd be with your friends while doing it.
It would double as a socialization tool.
Young writers cannot be good until they gain life experience. I have been fostering my writing career on my own for 20 years, which means that I have WAY more to offer than a 20 year old film student who has grown up with mediocre entertainment.
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The best Hollywood movie I’ve seen later was The Unbearable Weight if Massive Talent. A fun movie that didn’t take itself too seriously but worked at every level
Memento is my favourite movie of all time 🥺
Top Gun: Maverick, is that movie! that movie restored my faith in hollywood!
Top Gun Maverick!
I had yersterday the feeling of NEED to go back to watch a film again. Everything Everywhere All at Once. Damn! What a movie! I will buy it for sure.
(Didn't have that feeling since Dune)
The Mission Impossible films feel like events to me. I don't get that feeling with much of anything else. The MCU used to be an event, but that feeling is gone.
Quantity, the more and the more shows and stuff coming out
Top Gun Maverick.
Gore on the score yet again. Bullseye, sir! Bullseye.
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unfortunately, Creatives can’t stop what Suits are doing. that’s up to the Audience, as ROI is the only language Suits speak at the end of the day. it has to become too much of a financial risk to make dross (to usurp and pimp Creatives).
Exactly, a movie which is worth watching.....
I think streaming has fundamentally changed the way we consume media, which alters the intended delivery of the material from the writers and people in charge of the movies and shows we watch
Streaming has definitely lowered people's standards even further. "It was GREAT because I saw it for FREE (other than my $14.95/mo. streaming fee and $90/mo. internet fee)!"
Super was great, also don't forget The Specials movie written by James Gunn.
It makes me mad how nobody talks about Chaos Walking. Great, enjoyable movie with such an original idea. It may be a little formulaic, but it's a great formula and a great movie. I cannot stress it enough how original the idea is.
The only movie I ever went to see two days in a row was L.A. Confidential. Do they even make crime-mysteries anymore?
But also there’s a studio executive who’s probably watching this and thinking, “yeh’d like to give that new, talented, young filmmaker 50 million to make something else that original but how do we know it won’t get over taken at the box office by that latest marvel film or latest 100 million dollar IP? To compete with that the marketing would cost more than the movie it self and the wide release cost would add to that. We’d have to make sure their next movie gets either Oscar attention or get them to direct our next 100 million dollar IP movie we have. And hope they don’t fuck it up in the process for both.”
Ok that’s a bit far as a cynical take but it’s not entirely wrong. A lot of producers your can watch in interviews (or I recommend Hollywood roundtables) speek about competition and that the idea ‘good’ might not be ‘good enough!’
The problem isn’t so much that studio have stopped makings original movies all together (they realy haven’t) but that the middle class of filmmaking is kinda dead. The margins for movies making money is either on the low end making the movie for cheap and doing well enough that it makes big percentage payout. Or you have ridiculous high margins of big studio that basically need to set new records at the box office just to break even.
This is why most of these otherwise creative and mid budget movie ideas are going to streaming as tv shows now because the margines don’t work for movies anymore. At least that not actually true because nothing is ever set in stone in Hollywood and big Studios still have a part to play if they are going to try and stay relevant to foster creativity in their medium. Time to stop looking so much and the damn numbers and actually talent scout like Studios used to do back in the day!
Frankly said, classic movies like The Godfather, Doktor Shivago, The Sand Pebbles, Stalag 17, The Bridge on the River Kwai etc., can and will not be made today because of all the neccessary box ticking.
As an example, The Sand Pebbles would not be made today alone for the fact that it would offend China which Hollywood is massively pandering to.
And so on and so forth.
You can't fix a terminally ill patient, it's as simple as that.
Here is an idea. Walk through a bookstore. There is an endless sea of new ideas. Starting with the writing duo authors Preston and Child.
Is there a way to do a non-profit film studio?
You fix Hollywood by fixing the Rating system Back the way it was and getting rid of PG-13.
Amazing content🤗
Glad you think so!
MMGA! MAKE MOVIES GREAT AGAIN! For me those movies come around once every year or two.
William Goldman famously said: “Nobody knows anything...... Not one person in the entire motion picture field knows for a certainty what's going to work. Every time out it's a guess and, if you're lucky, an educated one.”
That is never truer than today. Since corporates took over film making decades ago, the title studio executive is simply a joke.
"All that is required for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing."
I wrote a great story told backwards, last year. I hope to make it this year.
I like making stories which nobody is seizing and editing. Like my saga: Zombies In Hertford
It really does seem like this is the era of taking no risks for Hollywood.
I don’t understand why Hollywood doesn’t try to remake something that had potential but for whatever reason didn’t succeed. There was a show on NBC in the late 1980s called “Crime Story”. It was a great show, but it only lasted two seasons. I will submit to you that if somebody remade that show today and set it in the early 1970s or early 1980s versus the early 1960s, it would be a hit show on a streaming service.
I prefer original ideas, though. Same for TV shows. Haven’t we got enough shows about cops, lawyers, doctors, vampires, and reality tv?
Momento was an epic movie :)
Unfortunately they will not listen to this wise man.
mentor and foster upcoming writers. Merit process. That will work but will it happen? I doubt it. I seriously doubt it.
You're right, Chris. That adversity will force a body to be more creative and innovative.
The last movie I watched several times was the Joker. Let that sink in.
what does that say about you then?
@@esteboi3858 I like movies with a good story?
@@cesarhernandez6861 there’s been multiple movies with great stories that have released in the past years
expand your tastes man
@@esteboi3858 okay, suggestions? Not being sarcastic.
the last time i had a wauw moment after a movie was joker .... and franckly the only time since 10 or 20 years going sometimes to a movie theater ....
...the intent has to be to entertain...not to coerce...
Make movies great again! ;-)
Any way of getting removing the HIDEOUS BLUE FILTER from all movies? NO we will not live in a blade runner future.
Karen doesn't like (or love) any of my comments yet she has Chris Gore on . That's weird for me. Most of what I say or how I feel about the modern film industry aligns with Chris. Yet Chris is on here.
That's either some good news and she's coming around to seeing what we've been saying for years...or.... she doesn't agree with me (or Chris) yet some degree of professional obligation has him on the show. 🤷♂️. Thats not so bad I guess... cos there's degrees of identity/woke people out there that won't listen at all... and double down
OR
My comments just suck. Just like this one lol.
hey here's a positive once again, atleast I'm not banned !😅 (like I am on many other channels l)
Go Woke Go Broke
I hope no one touches Primer
Last time I had this was blade runner 2049
One of the main problems in Hollywood right now is studios prioritising race and gender rather than talent. I'm completely supporting equality at any job. But whoever the person might be, he or she should be talented for the job. When you pick your showrunners, directors, screenwriters from talentless people and/or persons with no knowledge of the source material, ultimately that movie or series fails. You should choose talent without looking for anything else.
Yesterday I watched a video from a while back where he was saying that it can't be fixed
It's not that good screenwriting never shows up in a movie or TV show. It's that the decision makers in show business don't know or care much about it. It's not high on their priority list. So when you're looking at actual productions that get made, the average competence level in the screenwriting is way below the standard in pretty much every other area. How often do you see really bad cinematography or VFX or acting in a mainstream production these days? Way less often than you see bad writing. And I don't mean obscure technical flaws. I mean glaring, gaping holes in the logic of story or plot or character that snap the average viewer out of immersion. Or a sort of competence that's soulless and formulaic. Viewers have to do a lot of work overlooking these problems just to enjoy the show. Imagine if the average acting or camera work or continuity editing were like that. The result would be unwatchable. And that's the industry standard for writing. I think that's a bad value system, even if you're an investor who only cares about money.
I can see some positive aspects in low budget films, but it's starting to become a very distinct cliche these days...usually they just about "nothing" and feels like "nothing". I think alot of movies these days need to look on very soulful movies like Wings of Desire and what made artistic films stand out.
Wait a minute. You're telling me that Nolan, Gunn, et al. weren't just handed high profile Star Wars and Marvel series to run and direct as their first real jobs out of film school? 🙄
The real answer to KP's question is that Hollywood should just elect Chris Gore as President of Hollywood, and empower him to fix everything himself.
Make movies great again!
As I watch this, I read that Zack Snyder is remaking Shrek into an R rated live action.🤦🏼♂️🤮💩
Go Woke, Go Broke!!!
Only movies I have ever seen twice at the cinema were Inception, The Dark Knight and Dark City. What about you guys?
Independent creators are on the rise thank fuck! And I'm one of em, was tired of the crap going down in comics and now I'm shooting my shot with my own comic line. Already on Issue 4 and counting!
Everything Everywhere All At Once.
Last time I felt like that was after watching the Lord of the Rings - the fellowship of the ring.