I have 3 Morgans that I feel privileged to care for and work with. Over the years, we have done a variety of things together. They are pretty willing partners most of the time. We ride trails, give rides to grand kids and neighbor kids, drive down the road and around the property, carriage drive in small horse shows, hand graze in the ditch and tried a couple cattle drives. Generally, I think I would be happy having any breed of horse in my life. But this little herd in the pasture is pretty special.
Hello from Kentucky. I’m a sucker for a horse that needs a home. Since 2009, I’ve had thoroughbreds, walkers, qtrs,appys, a mustang, mini ponies, a Shetland, a stb and a mule. Plus several grades gaited and not. I enjoy them all they each have their traits for sure. I can’t really say which I like the best. There are appealing things about each of them. Qtrs and walkers are trustworthy and sweet people pleasers. Thoroughbreds are sensitive and give their all. Appys are smart ! Mustangs are very sensitive. My mare had been pushed to hard by someone and was very untrusting. I could manage her ok. Ponies are fun My mule took me 2 months to gain his trust and catch . He was abandoned by his former owner. He is awesome and I just need to be thoughtful of him and he does what I ask. I’m not much of a rider and after caring for them and working a full time job I don’t have time but I’d like to get better at it. I like your videos a lot!
I have a 28" hinnie mule that has beat up my biggest dogs. Monty's favorite pastime is to stand outside the doggie door and play wack-a-dog. I know when he is out there when I hear Anne, the 75# Boxer/Redbone, whining because she needs to go potty, but can't get by the "troll" that is waiting for her to stick her head out.
@@katiedotson704oh your comment just made me laugh out loud with the little "troll" mule playing whack-a-dog! Maybe he needs another mini mule or mini horse to keep him company and to protect the dogs. That is unless they team up together against them. 😅
@@suzanneyoung8011 He has my mare that he is totally bonded to. Not that it prevents him from taking her food. This mare has no idea that she can defend herself against anything. She had been with me about 4 months when, after feeding her one morning, I looked out and saw she wasn't eating. Just staring at her feed pan that was on the ground. I quietly came outside and went slowly to see if I could see the problem. The problem was 2 wild rabbits that had taken over her feed pan. At least the mini-monster-mule protects her from the greedy bunnies
I have an Andalusian x QH. He’s retired at 26, but we rode miles of trails and worked through some levels of dressage . He is soft to ride with a good mind, yet has spirit. Trainers said he is proud and I needed to ride him that way. He’s a great horse, imo.
Really enjoyed this one. Was a bit puzzled at the look of Bowie, until you explained his "split-breed" conformation! You said he's being trained for dressage, he has a great long stride and attractive colouring but it's hard (so far) to picture him doing those fancy-dancy moves! If anyone can teach him, you will! Thanks for the discussion on breeding for specific traits. A Saudi friend once showed me photos of his family's Arabian horses and I was shocked - their appearance was so extremely altered for the concave face that their heads actually looked like sea-horses 😟. Also, they looked about ready to jump out of their skin. Sad to see. I sure had trouble being diplomatic in my comments! So I was particularly pleased to meet Sabre, a perfect specimen of the breed. And it's funny to see his face peering through the fence and yelling out and rushing around the other arena. What a firecracker!!! Memories of his stallion days, I guess...
There is a trend to breed for excessively deep dished Arabian faces that is giving breathing issues. Styles in breeding has ruined many breeds of animals
Thoroughbreds. Athletic, sensitive, and big hearts. They never run out of steam regardless of what you are doing with them. They are also MUCH quieter when they are turned out and not kept in a stall 24/7!
My favorite horses are rescue horses. I own a 29yo Arabian I adopted at 26 and just rescued an 18 yo Paint. They are both absolutely amazing. I arena ride, show and trail ride both. Spectacular horses! ❤. Tim you are one of my favorite trainers to watch. Thank you for all your videos!
@@carylhalfwassen8555 Tennessee Walker. The Tennessee Walker x QH was an intentional mix. Supposedly turned out with a young Percheron supposed gelding that was actually not a gelding.
I recently set out to buy a big English foxhunter type to fulfill a childhood dream. I pictured a warmblood, maybe something off the track, but I bought a mustang. I have had other mustangs so I never ruled them out, but I had never seen one built like a dressage horse before! He came in under budget because he doesn't come with papers or fancy breeding, his full price was based on how he's built and what he knows. He's a Yakama Nation mustang from the native reservation in Washington State, not a BLM mustang like all my others have been and he is making a real run at being the nicest riding horse I've ever owned!
Arabians are my all time favorite. My first one was an example of good training and handling. He was a perfect gentleman with just the right amount of excitement and flash. My current Arab is a feed-lot rescue, thanks to apparently minimal training and handling. He is gorgeous, and a beautiful mover but extremely reactive and when I first got him he could be dangerous due to fear and lack of basic manners. He's come a long way and we have a good bond now but not sure if he'll ever be rideable. But I love him dearly!!!
I loved my Appaloosas. I had a mare and a gelding that I saddle broke and rode as a stallion. I bred him to a rescue Thoroughbred mare. The resulting filly never had a single Appy characteristic, so I had him gelded. They were great willing horses with a sense of humour.
I have a Connemara pony. They are a native pony from Ireland. They are hardy( mine lives out 24/7) and are known for their jumping abilities and nice temperament. The three I have owned from youngsters have all been slow to develop mentally and physically.But have turned out super nice
Pretty much all my horses over my life have been TBs, either OTTB or bought as weanlings pre-race training of any kind. They truly are top notch athletes, and come with the over the top attitude that that implies. The only ones that weren't TBs were Australian Stock Horses, which have a large TB component in their bloodlines. Once I got used to this kind of high energy horse, I couldn't go back to any other kind. They tend not to have a cautious bone in their bodies though, which isn't for everybody. But you can't learn to ride on a slug, as the saying goes.
I’m with you. Having had thoroughbreds, I find the less reactive breeds to be too lethargic for my taste. But a lot of people want a non-reactive horse, and they fit the bill for that perfectly.
Bowie is a really nice mover! I am sure he will do well in dressage as his training progresses. Since the end of the COVID emergency, horse prices have soared as exhibitors are rushing to get back in the show ring. I have owned a 7/8 thoroughbred Appaloosa mare out of racing lines, a Jockey Club registered thoroughbred, a Trakehner with a lot of TB in his breeding, and now an Irish Sport Horse mare that is over 60% Irish draught (draft), the rest is English TB. She's a semi-retired eventing horse. She's quiet, has a big canter, fun to ride and I love her to pieces. I love the lighter Appaloosa horses with some TB in them and of course those glorious spots! But the horse I most regret not buying was a young Arabian mare who was sensible, smart and so much fun to ride! I started off in hunters when dinosaurs roamed the earth, but now I mostly ride dressage, jump a little (very small jumps because I am cluck cluck a chicken) and really enjoy trail riding on my Irish girl. My advice for senior riders like myself is to find a sensible, smart horse that isn't too quiet or lazy. There are lots of nice semi-retired horses that need good homes but aren't ready for the pasture ornament lifestyle yet. But do expect to spend good money for a well-trained horse and it's worth it.
I love your advice! I'm a senior looking to buy my first horse in over 30 years after losing my two horses to old age. My horses were Appendix registered with lots and lots of TB blood, so I ride English. The Quarter Horse Mind is a wonderful trait. There's nothing quite like it. My 16.3 gelding hunter had it, my 15.2 mare did not. My next horse should have a good mind, I don't care what breed, I'm looking for that wonderful 'can do' attitude.
Appaloosas. My 1st horses was an App, she was such a wonderful first horse so she sold me on the breed. I had 1 Appendix QH I used to jump, but he was a jerk in a group on trail, sold him. Had 2 more Apps after him, one show horse, one distance horse whose dam was actually a Doc Bar QH, but he was a registered App and he did 2000 plus miles of distance competition and ended up being my husband's trail horse after we retired him, tough as nails and the best lead horse on trail. We had him from age 6 to 32. When I got very serious about wanting to do the 100 mile competitions I bought an Arab/App cross, and he did over 3000 distance miles, never took a lame step, and he was really good at his job, very smart but could be reactive, mostly when you asked him to go for a quiet pleasure ride! When I decided I was going to be done with distance competition I went back to straight Appaloosas, but the 2 I have now are full brothers, half brother to the Arab /cross, all sired by an Appaloosa working cow horse stallion in Alberta Canada. Great breeding, great minds and lovely temperaments.
I had the Arab/App cross from age 2 to 22, lost him January of last year to a nasty colic, not over that yet, but I had adopted a Standardbred from a rescue to be his companion in retirement 8 weeks before. Rusty the Standardbred is at the farm with my 2 App brothers now, and I must say he has sold me on the Standardbred breed. We do not ride him, although he probably could be ridden now, but he was a harness track trotter for 3 years and an Amish cart horse for 14 years so he has earned his retirement. He is the sweetest most gentle guy with a huge heart, love him to pieces and he is so grateful for his soft landing 💞
Really enjoyed hearing your down to earth thoughts. No mental blocks like some cowboy type trainers . I have thoroughbreds for racing and showing but they are all different even within that breed as you commented.
I am partial to TWH and Morgans. I've never had the chance to ride a Rocky Mountain, but would certainly welcome the opportunity. Now I have ridden a Fox Trotter, and though very green, I found this mare to have a good mind and very willing to listen. This was only her second trail ride and was much longer than should have been expected of her. But I wasn't calling the shots that day. I hadn't picked the best saddle for that day, either. The saddle fit the mare just fine, but at the end of a 6-hour ride, I discovered a whole new definition for the term "chapped lips" that only a woman can relate to. Tim, I have no idea where your experience lies with mules, but if you feel comfortable discussing them at some point, I would love to hear your take on them. If I could add one more equine to my barn, it would be a gaited mule. But with the price tag they are demanding, I can't see it happening. Thanks for sharing all your hard-earned knowledge.
My first horse was an OTTB which I started foxhunting on. Then I bought a Belgian/TB with a "smack" of saddle horse in him. He was sorrel and looked like a Dutch Warmblood. He was the bomb! He was jumping whether you went or not, and if not, he would go on with the field. Smooth ride all three gates. He had speed like a Porsche. Next was an Apendix. Leaned on the TB side. Then, I got my 16.2 Paint. He is gorgeous. But he was clearly broken and trained by someone who knew what he was doing. He has foxhunted, he is my volunteer mounted unit horse, and also recently made an appearance as "Cirilo" the Indian Pony at the Apple Festival. Now, I have added another Paint, who is 15.0. He looks a lot like Purdy, but he's built like a foundation quarter horse. He is my reason for watching these videos. He was introduced to hunting at the ripe old age of 14 and failed. Knows nothing. Been around and working with horses (not a trainer, but worked with one) for about 30 years now. He doesn't give a rip about anything much, so he is going to be my back-up mounted horse. He goes English and Western. I would like to keep him western. Spent a ton of money on snazzy bridles and breast collars for when he's in public. Will be hunting for a new horse in a year or so, but I can say for people following these videos, the patience you see that Tim is using with these horses, tedious as some of it is, makes them worth their weight in gold. No matter what breed or sport you are into, to have a horse that is quiet and useful means so much.
I ride a Hanoverian mare, a former jumper., with a real ‚cow Horse heart ‚. Since we changed the training, she‘ becomes such a gentle horse. Fantastic to ride. We live in Germany and it‘s not that common to ride an Hanoverian ‚Western‘, but we both really love to ride that way.
Thank you for the in-depth discussion of breeds and their different and/or unique chacteristics. The harness industry always used standard bred but, I must admit, I always wondered what would happen if you bridled up a thoroughbred to a sulkey. Probably be a complete nightmare.😃
Mr. Anderson presented a controversial and insightful monologue on horse crossbreeding. Theoretically, hybrid offspring will exhibit the best traits of both parents, and sometimes they do, but not always. To compound the popularity of crossbreeding, some misguided breeders have altered the anatomy and physiology of horse breeds so they bear little resemblance to their original purpose. The American Quarter horse is one example. This breed evolved from breeding the best "cowy" mares and stallions that produced the Quarter Horse breed. Today, the breed has been subclassified to the point that it bears little resemblance to its original purpose.
@@JeannetteShoreland Impressive should have been banned from being bred and gelded when it was uncovered that he was the source of Hypp, but people keep backing up their mares to him and paying a handsome fee to do so. It's not as if he was a Super Horse. He was an over-rated halter horse and nothing more.
In my experience, breeders try to produce whatever that breed’s show judges like. Unfortunately, and inexplicably, breed judges don’t always have the best long-term interests of their breed in mind. I blame a lot of it on the fact that judges aren’t trained or required to understand how their breed should be put together, i.e., what qualities make them sound and durable in the long run. There ought to be no place for “fads” in responsible showing, but quarter horses have been especially hard hit by this unfortunate phenomenon of harmful judging standards. I grew up riding a ranch-bred quarter horse with foundation bloodlines who was sensible, intelligent, and physically talented enough to do just about anything you’d want to do. He was agile because he had well-conformed hindquarters with his hocks under him. He had a a sloping shoulder and was not so long-backed that his front end was overloaded by his weight. He had nicely sloping pasterns and large flinty hooves. He had a well-shaped refined head and a liquid, intelligent eye. He was no deadhead come up, but he was also not overreactive. There are a few quarter horse breeders who stick to the old foundation bloodlines nowadays. But not many. Like another reader commented, you get problems from over-breeding horses with defective genes like Impressive, who have inflicted untold harm on the breed in the long run. Due to over-marketing and massive over-breeding, Impressive became popular in the marketplace to the point where that became flooded with horses carrying the genetic defect that produces HYPP. I would love to know how many horses currently registered with AQUA have Impressive in their pedigrees. A couple hundred thousand, at least. To their everlasting discredit, AQHA covered up the problem for years after they became aware of it. It took a lawsuit for them to come clean. But Impressive was 25 years old by that time. The damage was done. The most AQHA did to rectify matters was to make it a requirement that a quarter horse ‘s papers now have to reflect whether or not he or she is HYPP positive. That’s hardly enough to protect the breed. New HYPP generations of quarter horses are born each spring. I have a friend who bought a 2-year-old QH mare who had Impressive in her pedigree nine times in five generations. Big surprise, she also had HYPP. She is currently a pasture ornament, and she has health problems even being maintained on that low-stress level. Very sad circumstance for a wonderful breed of horse. And it could’ve all been avoided if the judges had had the training and guts not to place show horses with the breeding defect. The same has happened in other breed registries, for sure. You could go on and on. When horses are bred for showing only rather than using, human ignorance and greed seem to always prevail over good sense and ethics.
@@fleetskipper1810 The dog world is even worse. AKC won't address problems even when they are made aware of them. It's all about the dollar. Any time an animal becomes a possible financial asset, the animal suffers in the long run.
I have a 13 yo TB with a 3 yo mind 😅 he has been a challenge in many interesting ways, we have been training each other along the way. I sure do love him, he is good for the soul
I think it’s fantastic that you take breed differences into account when training. That only makes sense to me. Parenting and teaching children works the same. As humans, we are not all alike. Therefore, we don’t all learn best in the same manner. Same goes for horses (and dogs and other teachable critters). Anyway! I’m new to your channel and have been really impressed with your attentiveness to how each horse is responding and learning. Probably why you’re a world class trainer! 😊Can’t wait to see more!
OTTB all the way. I enjoy the challenge of my horse and the patience he has taught me. Previous OTTBs were all different but they still have the same heart to never give up. Race training is nice on a younger horse. They trailer, stand for the farrier, vet, and have basic steering - stopping can be problematic at first lol. I had an Arabian as a child, and she probably set the tone for me liking hotter horses.
I have a 20 something palomino (racing build) quarter horse (and he is VERY fast) and a newly acquired paint. The paint started out nice but, due to my lack of observation, has become the most difficult horse I have ever had. It’s when I discovered your videos Tim that I have been able to have any use for him. If I lived closer I’d be knocking at your door. Sending him to you would make him better but wouldn’t make ME any better. DARN!
I had an Oldenburger dressage and jumping. Loved every minute of our 16 years together ❤️ Now I have a Døl horse, a very rare Norwegian light drafthorse breed. I wanted something different not to be reminded of my beloved Oldenburger. 😉 My new boy, 3 years now and I had him for 2 years, still reminds me of my Oldenburger, not the look but how he behaves sometimes. So either I go for the same type of individuals, or it must be me 😂😂😂😂 either way, I am looking forward enjøyong the journey and many years we hopefully have together 😊
It sounds like you’re going to have a wonderful time together. And you probably were attracted to him by whatever qualities attracted you to your first horse. We all have “dating types.” Lol.
You might not best the best,but you can be the best at what you can be. I had a 20yo QH mare i got at a fire sale. She was a joy. A 10yo Morgan gelding. He was a star, he taught a little girl to ride. Last, the million yo pony. She, bit,kicked,struck, balked, reared in harness. God i miss her! All the horses I've ever met were all individuals. 😅
I no longer can ride but used to ride thoroughbred hunters over fences; went on 2 fox hunts (no animals hurt in this process) but started on part-quarter horse mare, paint. She was bought from a farmer whose 5 kids would ride on her bare back all 5 of them. She didn’t care. She was great. Her name was “Sugar”. I rode her until college kept me too busy. I miss her greatly.
I'm a fan of Morgans and Arabs, just because that's what I grew up with and I'm used to. I've also shown some really nice QH's and Appy's. Draft crosses seem to be the trend lately and I do like what I've seen in them for the most part. If people don't want to believe you about breeding standards . . . just show them all the Metallic Cat QH's out there now!
Left out my 3/4 TB 1/4 Perch. He was awesome. Looked like the old time thoroughbreds. TB outline but had good bone. Black with a white foot and a star. EXCELLENT temperament.
Depends on what make her a poor horse and what care you are willing to provide. If you need extra vet or trainer assistance or must change farriers to someone more expensive - the poor horse can cost more. If poor horse causes injury to people they can cost far more. If you end up putting the “poor” horse down (ie not keep) they might end up less costly over time.
@@dianemanson7756 - I’d still argue that with horses, as most other things, in long run it is less expensive to start with quality. I’m not disagreeing with @kathleenredick275.
It's still possible to find a really good horse for a decent price ( 10 to 15k). It does take time to find one though. I've also have found some really well put together horses for less ( 3 to 5k) but these tend to be harder to find. Always get a PPE to hopefully prevent the 10K vet bills.
It's so interesting reading these comments. I don't have a horse, but from your videos (your channel came into my TH-cam suggestions recently), I would say I'm most drawn to Breeze and Bubba. I hope Bubba lands in a good home.
I have a Tb x Canadian. When she’s beside a Thoroughbred she looks Canadian- when she’s beside a Canadian she looks like Thoroughbred. She has a more Thoroughbred temperament- she’s a lovely horse- now 27 years old and retired from general pleasure activities-❤
It's interesting to see the different breeds owned by the people commenting. When I was young, I road mostly quarter horses, a couple of thoroughbreds, and appaloosas. I worked at a ranch bringing horses in for groups (tourists), saddling, bridling, etc., who wanted to trail ride. That way, I could ride the owners' horses for free. My first horse was an appendix mare. She was the laziest horse I ever rode. She made me work! She developed Cushing's and passed at 24yrs. I started hanging out at an Arabian barn where my sister boarded her horse. Switched to riding English and started dressage lessons. I never met (or rode) an Arabian I didn't like. I was looking to buy and lucked into purchasing a National Show Horse. He was the best horse I ever owned or rode. He had a natural lift and extension on the front end and powered from the back end. After working in the arena, we went trail riding and he loved it. He never spooked or acted crazy, even with deer or anything else we encountered. He has long since passed and I'm too old to even get up the mounting block these days, but I love watching your videos! Have you had the pleasure of riding a NSH?
We have 3 horses here. I have a Registered Appaloosa mare I bought as a weanling. She is 19 now and she is bold, forward and honest as the day is long. She never gave me an issue when I trained her she just went willingly. I love riding her. I also have a Quarter Horse. He is 5 and has been a challenge of sorts under saddle but he has a great mind overall. I can't say i love riding him yet but we will get there! Last we have an Appaloosa cross. No idea what the cross is but she takes my daughter where she wants to go willingly and cheerfully. We bought her as an 8 year old. She is 21 now. My preference is Appaloosa horses . I have had 2 others that were wonderful.
We are dressage and showjumper people so we ride all kinds of warmbloods. However, we’ve had a number of stockhorses, OTTB’s, and ponies. Right now, the warmblood registries of the horses we ride are varied, but the bloodlines are primarily Holsteiner, selle francais, Dutch and Hanoverian. There is typically a difference in the jumper brain and dressage brain and training is approached a bit differently. Thanks for all your videos
I love quarter horses and Appaloosas. Can you do a video about how to find and purchase a safe quiet horse for trail riding and small local horse shows? Best wishes and happy holidays
I'd like to know between my two favorites, Breeze the very smart Mustang and Saber the cow curious Arabian, who'd you like to keep...if you'd wanted to.
Interesting question. If cars came to an end and I had to ride a horse for transportation I would pick Breeze, she's like a reliable truck. If I wanted a sports car it would be Sabre. To be honest though neither one really fits me. I like something in the middle, something like sporty SUV, more like Bob.
Nice. I'm absolutely crazy about them both and would love to own Breeze but am very curious on how far you'll progress Sabre before you want to give him back. He is unique.
Unfortunately, it’s the current level of the horse that determines the “value”. Used to ride a 20ish year old standardbred mare. She was a top pacing mare in her day (early 80s) land won quite a bit of money for her owner, more than enough to fund her own retirement. She was bred a few times but her foals didn’t have her speed so she was worthless. When I met her in around , she had just been adopted from an off-track rescue, still underweight and recovering from a nasty case of thrush and severely overgrown hooves. Once she stopped making money, her owner had no use for her. Luckily she found her way to a rescue and a new home. Once I figured out how to sit her pace (can’t post a pace), she was a great trail horse. She never broke her pace and was still blisteringly fast. She was a good horse and deserved better.
Draft/quarter horse here. Thinking he’d get some “whoa” from the draft, didn’t happen. He got the drafty big solid frame but he’s as quick and agile as the cowy roping quarter horses he was crossed with. Drafty on the ground but a lot of go in the saddle.
Interesting conversation and thoughts on horses characteristics and traits. Mine is Arab and MFT. Great horse with a good mind. Enough fire to keep it interesting and good sense to keep ya as safe as you can be on any horse. Recently discovered he is gaited while out on a ride. I’ve got to learn how to get him framed up to repeat the gaiting again. He can go all day while taking the lead or is okay with bringing up the rear on a trail ride. He just loves to be out in the woods working at seeing sights and covering ground at the pace asked for. Had Arabs for past 25 yrs he’s my first experience with a Missouri Fox Trotter. Just an older rider here that loves trail riding and camping.
My current horse is a Peruvian paso cross thorobred and she just floats across the ground, and she definitely is high energy and fun to ride. I have also had a Welsh mountain pony, a standardbred and a QH/Arab X, all very different thinkers as you said, but I do especially love my Peruvian!
As always a very informative video. Do you have experience with friesian quarter horse crosses? What do you think of there temperaments. Ride quarter horse an paint horse like a good minded good riding horse breed actually doesn't matter. Have a merry Christmas.
I have trained several Friesian crosses and a couple full Friesians. They all had good minds. Smooth gaits, forward moving, but not naturally lateral moving in the front end.
Tim which breed of horse would you like to train that you haven't yet? Appreciate this good info about different breeds AND variations within breeds. I also love you talking about adjusting training for individual horses. One of the hallmarks of a great trainer imo is one who puts ego aside and does what the horse needs to accomplish the goal. ❤
Good question. I get excited when I get a new breed to ride and learning about its characteristics but I don't think there is any breed I can think of that I'd say, I want to ride that breed. Now days there can be more variation in a breed than from one breed to another. That can be just as challenging. There are some ways of moving that I ride better than others and some minds that I like working better than others. I don't like working a horse that doesn't have any try to please the rider. I don't mind riding an opinionated horse. I had an Arabian one time that every ride the first 10 minutes was seeing if he could get me off. My wife tried to get me to send him back. I thought this horse can move better sideways and backwards than many horses can move forwards, if I could get his mind in the right direction he would be a good horse. Ended up I won a lot on him. For me it's more about the individual horse than the breed.
I ride a Rocky Mountain Horse. I have had a TWH, a QH, and an Appy. All have their good and sometimes not so good traits. But I loved every one of them. My ideal would be an App/Rocky cross.
I have a two year old mare. Dutch warmblood, Arabian mix. High energy horse, she is challenging, likes to dance and prance on one spot, but she is not scared, the Haflingers at our stable tend to startle a lot, if they see a wheel barrel in the wrong spot they are afraid, my horse is very brave, but wild, but if she has to work she gets a working mind and then she really concentrate on the lunge and voice commands. Im Dutch so my English is not so good, i hope you understand. We dont ride horses till they are at least three, and that will be in april. I do have a question, are the breeds in America better to ride in at two years or would you ride an Arabian two year old as wel, is there a difference? My daughter has step around on her a few times now but she is very light weight.
I would say that most people in America do not ride their horses before the age of three no matter what the breed is. The one exception to that is the Thoroughbred that is in race training, but then those horses are only under saddle for a very brief period of time daily and are ridden by very lightweight exercise riders and jockeys. I've never known of anyone who did anything more than ground training for their riding horses until they were at least three or even sometimes four years old.
I ride and train a mustang, but nowadays I have the time to train one. Before Rocky Mountain, Quarter Horse, a Race Horse (trotter), Warmblood .. And I liked them all. ❤
I have an Arabian mare with I ride dressage but I train here with much western influence. My late Arabian gelding i was riding western pleasure/trail and dressage. I love the Arabians for there mind and loyalty. They are picking their human and will bond forever.
Current lessons are on a palomino quarter horse mare. She is wonderful and patient with my fumbling efforts. A prior lesson horse at a different barn that I absolutely adored was a 17 hand thoroughbred Andalusian gelding. He was so sweet, but had a terrible cribbing issue and ultimately died of colic.
The horse didn't have a cribbing issue, it had a human issue. Humans keeping him in a manner completely opposite of how a horse should be kept. He was locked in a box more hours than he wasn't and he had very little herd interaction if any. He died how he lived - in misery.
He arrived at the barn where I took lessons with that habit. The horses there had at least 12 hr turnout daily with other horses. Dante took down pasture fence posts with his cribbing and huffing.. and they sold him to a different training facility as a result. For the 2 years he was at the barn where I took lessons, he was getting top notch care and they tried every humane approach they could to stop his habit. We do not know what caused his behavior to develop. He was not in misery when I knew him. It devastated me to hear he'd been sold since he was a horse I bonded to. He seemed to enjoy lessons and had tons of herd time. I think of that sort of repetitive behavior as a mental illness. It can affect one's life, yes, but it does not define it.
@@jackien5563 I've never heard of a horse who lived as a horse should, develop stall devices such as cribbing. It just doesn't happen. Horses are designed to move & graze in a herd for 20 hours per day. You might not believe it defined his life while you knew him but you can bet at some point it did and it certainly sealed his fate.
I ride a Rocky Mountain mare. I've owned several Arabians, an Appy, QH and my Rocky is very different - great gate, almost unflappable, seems to love people, and nosy.
I’ve had quarter horses, thoroughbreds, Missouri Fox Trotter. Currently I have a gaited mare, think she is a crossbred of Tennessee walker and Fox trotter, and 3 mustangs. My favorite quarter horse was a mare from gay bar king breeding. My mustangs are my favorites due to their personalities. My grey gelding does any event I want to do though we are still working on his opinions. The other two mustangs, both mares, are in training so we’ll see what they like to do. I started out being a trail rider only then got introduced to obstacle competitions. My gaited mare did good at obstacles and even won me some money. My mustangs gelding is my main rider and we do trails, small local ranch horse shows and EXCA (extreme Cowboy Racing). I’m hoping my two mustang mares will do the same Events. I don’t do exca with the gaited mare as she is not consistent with picking up her right lead canter, but she is great at trail riding.
I'm currently not riding. My last horse was 1/2 Thoroughbred, and 1/4 each Saddlebred and Arabian. She got the best of all of them IMO. I might be biased LOL. Thinking of a future horse, I would like to try an Azteca. A friend had one and she was remarkable. I like a forward, thinking horse with a willing can-do attitude (don't we all?). Also, since I am older, I have considered a gaited horse. Ironically one of the horses I rode was a pure (registered) Quarter Horse and he was naturally gaited. An odd-ball for sure, but a pleasure to ride! I won my first ribbon at Musical Hats because of his rack!
I’ve always been an Appaloosa or Quarter Horse person…however, at 58 I’d look for a nice easy riding larger horse…maybe a draft cross with a Quarter Horse…color doesn’t matter…easy keeping trail horse is now my jam…no interest in showing anymore.
I have a 20 yr old Arabian who I got 10 yrs ago because he really needed a person and my 28 yr old OTTB at the time could no longer be ridden. I was thinking my next horse after my thoroughbred was going to be a bay quarter horse cross. Bay because I didn’t want another grey. So much for that - ended up with another grey. Oh well. At least this one isn’t a wallower. And he turned out to be the really nice trail horse I needed.
I’m 100% into my cow bred horses. For some reason I’ve ended up with a lot of paints. I’m someone who looks for the horse with the best form to function and mind… I could care less about color or mane length. I want a good mover, balanced, good minded, good footed horse that has a strong and willing work ethic. Mine are a bit old school such as daughters or granddaughters of Like A Diamond, Smart Chic Olena, Royal Silver King, Genuine Doc, Gallo De Cielo (Rooster), Color Me Smart crossed on more modern reining lines like A Sparkling Vintage, Pale Face Dunnit, SG Frozen Enterprise, Magnum Chic Dream, ect. They just try their ass off, I can ride them on our 13,000 acre ranch through rocks and cactus for hours moving cattle, then haul them to a show, rope off them, pony off them, use them as a pack horse, and I even have taught quite a few that were on the hotter side to be phenomenal polo ponies. They are to me, the Swiss Army knife of horses.
I've been fortunate enough to have owned 6 horses. One pure Trakehner, 1 Arab/Thoroughbred/Qtr horse cross, 1 pure Hanoverian, 2 warmblood crosses and 1 Dutch Harness/Dutch Warmblood cross. All were/are great teachers. My Trakehner was the most challenging. Super smart but very opinionated. I had to be creative and sensitive when working through his issuees. My fav was my Arab cross. I could trust him completely. Great mind and loved to work with me. Interestingly, the least talented for dressage work but we were able to do some very good FEI level collected work. My Dutch cross is the youngest (weanling) but also the most talented. He's also very smart and likes to work with me. His fear factor right now is high so he's very reactive. My Warmblood crosses have been middle of the road types. Good quality but not FEI potential.
horsingwithhugo, One of our school horses was a retired Standardbred, but a pacer. She had a lovely temperament and smooth gait. Odd-feeling at first but easy to adjust to.
Thank you for another interesting & thoughtful video. I have a Rocky Mountain gaited horse, and I'd be interested to know the reason behind your comment that Rockies are your favorite gaited horse. Mine is a lovely horse, but he only really gaits when he's nervous or anxious. I have no training for gaiting, but bought him because his original owner couldn't keep him, and just wanted him to have a good owner. She rarely rode him, due to health issues, and fear ... I understand her fear ... he's strong & his movements on the ground are big ... I wish I had more knowledge in understanding him. Perhaps you can shed some light on the breed. I very much appreciate your videos & your approach to training.
I have trained many Rock Mountains. For me, of the gaited horses they are the most comfortable. When I ride a TW for a long time my lower back starts to hurt, when I ride a Paso for a long time I feel like I'm still vibrating when I get off. LOL. Also in general I like a Rocky Mountain's mind better than a MFT.
Thank you! He IS extremely comfortable, no matter what speed, except when he decides to pace ... that's not fun. We're in Mexico. When I bought him, I asked a local 'trainer' to help me understand the gaiting ... he put a very nice trot on him! I've been told there are only 2 Rockies in our area South of the Border ... this guy had no idea how to gait, either ... so, we walk & trot most of the time. @@timandersonhorsetraining
I have a question but I'm not sure if you are comfortable commenting on it. I consider myself to be relatively novice experience wise which is why I wanted to ask about his fetlocks. The rear in particular. His seem to drop quite a bit to me. I'm wondering if that can be considered normal and I'm also wondering if a horse who has dropping fetlocks is not always destined to develop DSLD. Also in order for a DSLD diagnosis does there have to be other signs such as swelling. Thanks a lot and if this is not a good place to ask these questions feel free to disregard my comment. ♥️
Of course I know you wouldn't ride a horse with physical problems. Thanks for answering my question because I've learned from your answer. I have so much to learn and I appreciate people like you who are teaching me so much. Thanks for taking time for making and sharing all of your videos and knowledge.
I love horses but have never owned one. I have had dogs and cats though. Everyone thinks they want a smart animal...and smart is important, but not too smart. A highly intelligent dog or cat is easily bored. They require much more interaction and variety to keep them happy, sarisfied, and emotionally connected. I can imagine horses are the same and I thought about that when you were talking about horse's minds.
Myself 1/2 quarter horse 1/2 arabian..endurance is a thing i want in a horse..with that cross you get a great blend or i think so..tho don't ever and i mean ever cross a arab with a hancock..that cross will if not get you killed seriously hurt..had 2 and they ended up bucking stock grant it they ended up expensive bucking stock but still bucking stock..
Hey! I have a largo paso fino..she really moves out, I have 2 rockies and 2 spotted saddle horses! My paso is different then most as she really covers a lot of ground, in stride and speed. What do you think is the most reactive horse? I know my paso is the most reactive I own right now.
A well bred cowhorse is about the only thing I’ll throw a saddle on anymore. The modern QH breeding has bred the smartest, coolest headed horses on the planet. So yea I’m a AQHA snob lol
I have 3 Morgans that I feel privileged to care for and work with. Over the years, we have done a variety of things together. They are pretty willing partners most of the time. We ride trails, give rides to grand kids and neighbor kids, drive down the road and around the property, carriage drive in small horse shows, hand graze in the ditch and tried a couple cattle drives. Generally, I think I would be happy having any breed of horse in my life. But this little herd in the pasture is pretty special.
Hello from Kentucky.
I’m a sucker for a horse that needs a home.
Since 2009, I’ve had thoroughbreds, walkers, qtrs,appys, a mustang, mini ponies, a Shetland, a stb and a mule. Plus several grades gaited and not.
I enjoy them all they each have their traits for sure. I can’t really say which I like the best. There are appealing things about each of them.
Qtrs and walkers are trustworthy and sweet people pleasers.
Thoroughbreds are sensitive and give their all.
Appys are smart !
Mustangs are very sensitive. My mare had been pushed to hard by someone and was very untrusting. I could manage her ok.
Ponies are fun
My mule took me 2 months to gain his trust and catch . He was abandoned by his former owner. He is awesome and I just need to be thoughtful of him and he does what I ask.
I’m not much of a rider and after caring for them and working a full time job I don’t have time but I’d like to get better at it.
I like your videos a lot!
I have a 28" hinnie mule that has beat up my biggest dogs. Monty's favorite pastime is to stand outside the doggie door and play wack-a-dog. I know when he is out there when I hear Anne, the 75# Boxer/Redbone, whining because she needs to go potty, but can't get by the "troll" that is waiting for her to stick her head out.
@@katiedotson704oh your comment just made me laugh out loud with the little "troll" mule playing whack-a-dog! Maybe he needs another mini mule or mini horse to keep him company and to protect the dogs. That is unless they team up together against them. 😅
@@suzanneyoung8011 He has my mare that he is totally bonded to. Not that it prevents him from taking her food. This mare has no idea that she can defend herself against anything.
She had been with me about 4 months when, after feeding her one morning, I looked out and saw she wasn't eating. Just staring at her feed pan that was on the ground. I quietly came outside and went slowly to see if I could see the problem. The problem was 2 wild rabbits that had taken over her feed pan. At least the mini-monster-mule protects her from the greedy bunnies
@@katiedotson704 🤣😂
I have an Andalusian x QH. He’s retired at 26, but we rode miles of trails and worked through some levels of dressage . He is soft to ride with a good mind, yet has spirit. Trainers said he is proud and I needed to ride him that way. He’s a great horse, imo.
What a beautiful description of your loyal friend.
Very much so! He is very lucky to own you! 😉 ✌🏼
Really enjoyed this one. Was a bit puzzled at the look of Bowie, until you explained his "split-breed" conformation! You said he's being trained for dressage, he has a great long stride and attractive colouring but it's hard (so far) to picture him doing those fancy-dancy moves! If anyone can teach him, you will!
Thanks for the discussion on breeding for specific traits. A Saudi friend once showed me photos of his family's Arabian horses and I was shocked - their appearance was so extremely altered for the concave face that their heads actually looked like sea-horses 😟. Also, they looked about ready to jump out of their skin. Sad to see. I sure had trouble being diplomatic in my comments! So I was particularly pleased to meet Sabre, a perfect specimen of the breed. And it's funny to see his face peering through the fence and yelling out and rushing around the other arena. What a firecracker!!! Memories of his stallion days, I guess...
There is a trend to breed for excessively deep dished Arabian faces that is giving breathing issues. Styles in breeding has ruined many breeds of animals
Thoroughbreds. Athletic, sensitive, and big hearts. They never run out of steam regardless of what you are doing with them. They are also MUCH quieter when they are turned out and not kept in a stall 24/7!
My favorite horses are rescue horses. I own a 29yo Arabian I adopted at 26 and just rescued an 18 yo Paint. They are both absolutely amazing. I arena ride, show and trail ride both. Spectacular horses! ❤. Tim you are one of my favorite trainers to watch. Thank you for all your videos!
I like old softies too. ❤
@@julien9335My Arabian is still very forward and has a lot of energy. He still requires an experienced rider!😂
I Ride a Paso Fino on the trails for 21 years now. She still likes to go.
My personal favorite horse I've ever met was 1/2 percheron, 1/4 qh, 1/4 twh. Gaited, smart, biddable, and rode like a big old couch
Sounds like one of those armchair Harleys 😊
@@lindaj5492 not far off lol, he had some go to him XD
Twh?
@@carylhalfwassen8555 Tennessee Walker. The Tennessee Walker x QH was an intentional mix. Supposedly turned out with a young Percheron supposed gelding that was actually not a gelding.
I recently set out to buy a big English foxhunter type to fulfill a childhood dream. I pictured a warmblood, maybe something off the track, but I bought a mustang. I have had other mustangs so I never ruled them out, but I had never seen one built like a dressage horse before! He came in under budget because he doesn't come with papers or fancy breeding, his full price was based on how he's built and what he knows. He's a Yakama Nation mustang from the native reservation in Washington State, not a BLM mustang like all my others have been and he is making a real run at being the nicest riding horse I've ever owned!
Arabians are my all time favorite. My first one was an example of good training and handling. He was a perfect gentleman with just the right amount of excitement and flash. My current Arab is a feed-lot rescue, thanks to apparently minimal training and handling. He is gorgeous, and a beautiful mover but extremely reactive and when I first got him he could be dangerous due to fear and lack of basic manners. He's come a long way and we have a good bond now but not sure if he'll ever be rideable. But I love him dearly!!!
Gives me hope for my crazy acting paint.
I loved my Appaloosas. I had a mare and a gelding that I saddle broke and rode as a stallion. I bred him to a rescue Thoroughbred mare. The resulting filly never had a single Appy characteristic, so I had him gelded. They were great willing horses with a sense of humour.
I have a Connemara pony.
They are a native pony from Ireland.
They are hardy( mine lives out 24/7) and are known for their jumping abilities and nice temperament.
The three I have owned from youngsters have all been slow to develop mentally and physically.But have turned out super nice
Pretty much all my horses over my life have been TBs, either OTTB or bought as weanlings pre-race training of any kind. They truly are top notch athletes, and come with the over the top attitude that that implies. The only ones that weren't TBs were Australian Stock Horses, which have a large TB component in their bloodlines. Once I got used to this kind of high energy horse, I couldn't go back to any other kind. They tend not to have a cautious bone in their bodies though, which isn't for everybody. But you can't learn to ride on a slug, as the saying goes.
I’m with you. Having had thoroughbreds, I find the less reactive breeds to be too lethargic for my taste. But a lot of people want a non-reactive horse, and they fit the bill for that perfectly.
My favorite was a Percheron/QH cross. Pretty good movement, responsive, sweet beyond measure, and protective of his riders.
Bowie is a really nice mover! I am sure he will do well in dressage as his training progresses. Since the end of the COVID emergency, horse prices have soared as exhibitors are rushing to get back in the show ring. I have owned a 7/8 thoroughbred Appaloosa mare out of racing lines, a Jockey Club registered thoroughbred, a Trakehner with a lot of TB in his breeding, and now an Irish Sport Horse mare that is over 60% Irish draught (draft), the rest is English TB. She's a semi-retired eventing horse. She's quiet, has a big canter, fun to ride and I love her to pieces. I love the lighter Appaloosa horses with some TB in them and of course those glorious spots! But the horse I most regret not buying was a young Arabian mare who was sensible, smart and so much fun to ride! I started off in hunters when dinosaurs roamed the earth, but now I mostly ride dressage, jump a little (very small jumps because I am cluck cluck a chicken) and really enjoy trail riding on my Irish girl. My advice for senior riders like myself is to find a sensible, smart horse that isn't too quiet or lazy. There are lots of nice semi-retired horses that need good homes but aren't ready for the pasture ornament lifestyle yet. But do expect to spend good money for a well-trained horse and it's worth it.
I love your advice! I'm a senior looking to buy my first horse in over 30 years after losing my two horses to old age. My horses were Appendix registered with lots and lots of TB blood, so I ride English. The Quarter Horse Mind is a wonderful trait. There's nothing quite like it. My 16.3 gelding hunter had it, my 15.2 mare did not. My next horse should have a good mind, I don't care what breed, I'm looking for that wonderful 'can do' attitude.
If I could find a horse like him, I'd buy him in a heartbeat with the hope he'd be solid on the trail.
Appaloosas. My 1st horses was an App, she was such a wonderful first horse so she sold me on the breed. I had 1 Appendix QH I used to jump, but he was a jerk in a group on trail, sold him. Had 2 more Apps after him, one show horse, one distance horse whose dam was actually a Doc Bar QH, but he was a registered App and he did 2000 plus miles of distance competition and ended up being my husband's trail horse after we retired him, tough as nails and the best lead horse on trail. We had him from age 6 to 32. When I got very serious about wanting to do the 100 mile competitions I bought an Arab/App cross, and he did over 3000 distance miles, never took a lame step, and he was really good at his job, very smart but could be reactive, mostly when you asked him to go for a quiet pleasure ride! When I decided I was going to be done with distance competition I went back to straight Appaloosas, but the 2 I have now are full brothers, half brother to the Arab /cross, all sired by an Appaloosa working cow horse stallion in Alberta Canada. Great breeding, great minds and lovely temperaments.
I had the Arab/App cross from age 2 to 22, lost him January of last year to a nasty colic, not over that yet, but I had adopted a Standardbred from a rescue to be his companion in retirement 8 weeks before. Rusty the Standardbred is at the farm with my 2 App brothers now, and I must say he has sold me on the Standardbred breed. We do not ride him, although he probably could be ridden now, but he was a harness track trotter for 3 years and an Amish cart horse for 14 years so he has earned his retirement. He is the sweetest most gentle guy with a huge heart, love him to pieces and he is so grateful for his soft landing 💞
My first horse was a thoroughbred/ Appaloosa cross and lived to be 34 years old. She was pretty hot, but smart! I still miss her to this day!
Bowie is looking great! I would love to see how he does with his owner in dressage tests in the future
Me too. She is going to let me know when she takes him somewhere.
Have you ever had dealing with a Bashkir Curly? I have an 8 year old Curly gelding got him when he was 4 he’s a sweetheart!
That is one of the breeds that I have never had.
Really enjoyed hearing your down to earth thoughts. No mental blocks like some cowboy type trainers . I have thoroughbreds for racing and showing but they are all different even within that breed as you commented.
You are always so interesting Tim. ❤ Thanks a million for all of your expertise.
I'm a 100% AQHA person. I like their trainability and personality. I have a really well bred one who is absolutely wasted on me!
Not at all “wasted” if he/she is well-suited to you 🙂
I am partial to TWH and Morgans. I've never had the chance to ride a Rocky Mountain, but would certainly welcome the opportunity. Now I have ridden a Fox Trotter, and though very green, I found this mare to have a good mind and very willing to listen. This was only her second trail ride and was much longer than should have been expected of her. But I wasn't calling the shots that day. I hadn't picked the best saddle for that day, either. The saddle fit the mare just fine, but at the end of a 6-hour ride, I discovered a whole new definition for the term "chapped lips" that only a woman can relate to.
Tim, I have no idea where your experience lies with mules, but if you feel comfortable discussing them at some point, I would love to hear your take on them. If I could add one more equine to my barn, it would be a gaited mule. But with the price tag they are demanding, I can't see it happening.
Thanks for sharing all your hard-earned knowledge.
I have taken a few mules in the past but we just didn't seem click so I don't take them any more. Gaited mules make excellent trail horses though!
@@timandersonhorsetraining kinda surprised you didn't click with mules. I love me a big old mule. What about them didn't jive?
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My first horse was an OTTB which I started foxhunting on. Then I bought a Belgian/TB with a "smack" of saddle horse in him. He was sorrel and looked like a Dutch Warmblood. He was the bomb! He was jumping whether you went or not, and if not, he would go on with the field. Smooth ride all three gates. He had speed like a Porsche. Next was an Apendix. Leaned on the TB side. Then, I got my 16.2 Paint. He is gorgeous. But he was clearly broken and trained by someone who knew what he was doing. He has foxhunted, he is my volunteer mounted unit horse, and also recently made an appearance as "Cirilo" the Indian Pony at the Apple Festival. Now, I have added another Paint, who is 15.0. He looks a lot like Purdy, but he's built like a foundation quarter horse. He is my reason for watching these videos. He was introduced to hunting at the ripe old age of 14 and failed. Knows nothing. Been around and working with horses (not a trainer, but worked with one) for about 30 years now. He doesn't give a rip about anything much, so he is going to be my back-up mounted horse. He goes English and Western. I would like to keep him western. Spent a ton of money on snazzy bridles and breast collars for when he's in public.
Will be hunting for a new horse in a year or so, but I can say for people following these videos, the patience you see that Tim is using with these horses, tedious as some of it is, makes them worth their weight in gold. No matter what breed or sport you are into, to have a horse that is quiet and useful means so much.
I ride a Hanoverian mare, a former jumper., with a real ‚cow Horse heart ‚. Since we changed the training, she‘ becomes such a gentle horse. Fantastic to ride.
We live in Germany and it‘s not that common to ride an Hanoverian ‚Western‘, but we both really love to ride that way.
Thank you for the in-depth discussion of breeds and their different and/or unique chacteristics. The harness industry always used standard bred but, I must admit, I always wondered what would happen if you bridled up a thoroughbred to a sulkey. Probably be a complete nightmare.😃
Mr. Anderson presented a controversial and insightful monologue on horse crossbreeding. Theoretically, hybrid offspring will exhibit the best traits of both parents, and sometimes they do, but not always. To compound the popularity of crossbreeding, some misguided breeders have altered the anatomy and physiology of horse breeds so they bear little resemblance to their original purpose. The American Quarter horse is one example. This breed evolved from breeding the best "cowy" mares and stallions that produced the Quarter Horse breed. Today, the breed has been subclassified to the point that it bears little resemblance to its original purpose.
@@JeannetteShoreland Impressive should have been banned from being bred and gelded when it was uncovered that he was the source of Hypp, but people keep backing up their mares to him and paying a handsome fee to do so. It's not as if he was a Super Horse. He was an over-rated halter horse and nothing more.
In my experience, breeders try to produce whatever that breed’s show judges like. Unfortunately, and inexplicably, breed judges don’t always have the best long-term interests of their breed in mind.
I blame a lot of it on the fact that judges aren’t trained or required to understand how their breed should be put together, i.e., what qualities make them sound and durable in the long run.
There ought to be no place for “fads” in responsible showing, but quarter horses have been especially hard hit by this unfortunate phenomenon of harmful judging standards.
I grew up riding a ranch-bred quarter horse with foundation bloodlines who was sensible, intelligent, and physically talented enough to do just about anything you’d want to do. He was agile because he had well-conformed hindquarters with his hocks under him. He had a a sloping shoulder and was not so long-backed that his front end was overloaded by his weight. He had nicely sloping pasterns and large flinty hooves. He had a well-shaped refined head and a liquid, intelligent eye. He was no deadhead come up, but he was also not overreactive.
There are a few quarter horse breeders who stick to the old foundation bloodlines nowadays. But not many. Like another reader commented, you get problems from over-breeding horses with defective genes like Impressive, who have inflicted untold harm on the breed in the long run.
Due to over-marketing and massive over-breeding, Impressive became popular in the marketplace to the point where that became flooded with horses carrying the genetic defect that produces HYPP. I would love to know how many horses currently registered with AQUA have Impressive in their pedigrees. A couple hundred thousand, at least.
To their everlasting discredit, AQHA covered up the problem for years after they became aware of it. It took a lawsuit for them to come clean. But Impressive was 25 years old by that time. The damage was done. The most AQHA did to rectify matters was to make it a requirement that a quarter horse ‘s papers now have to reflect whether or not he or she is HYPP positive. That’s hardly enough to protect the breed. New HYPP generations of quarter horses are born each spring.
I have a friend who bought a 2-year-old QH mare who had Impressive in her pedigree nine times in five generations. Big surprise, she also had HYPP. She is currently a pasture ornament, and she has health problems even being maintained on that low-stress level.
Very sad circumstance for a wonderful breed of horse. And it could’ve all been avoided if the judges had had the training and guts not to place show horses with the breeding defect.
The same has happened in other breed registries, for sure. You could go on and on. When horses are bred for showing only rather than using, human ignorance and greed seem to always prevail over good sense and ethics.
@@fleetskipper1810 The dog world is even worse. AKC won't address problems even when they are made aware of them. It's all about the dollar. Any time an animal becomes a possible financial asset, the animal suffers in the long run.
I have a 13 yo TB with a 3 yo mind 😅 he has been a challenge in many interesting ways, we have been training each other along the way. I sure do love him, he is good for the soul
I think it’s fantastic that you take breed differences into account when training. That only makes sense to me. Parenting and teaching children works the same. As humans, we are not all alike. Therefore, we don’t all learn best in the same manner. Same goes for horses (and dogs and other teachable critters). Anyway! I’m new to your channel and have been really impressed with your attentiveness to how each horse is responding and learning. Probably why you’re a world class trainer! 😊Can’t wait to see more!
OTTB all the way. I enjoy the challenge of my horse and the patience he has taught me. Previous OTTBs were all different but they still have the same heart to never give up. Race training is nice on a younger horse. They trailer, stand for the farrier, vet, and have basic steering - stopping can be problematic at first lol. I had an Arabian as a child, and she probably set the tone for me liking hotter horses.
I have a 20 something palomino (racing build) quarter horse (and he is VERY fast) and a newly acquired paint. The paint started out nice but, due to my lack of observation, has become the most difficult horse I have ever had. It’s when I discovered your videos Tim that I have been able to have any use for him. If I lived closer I’d be knocking at your door.
Sending him to you would make him better but wouldn’t make ME any better. DARN!
I had an Oldenburger dressage and jumping. Loved every minute of our 16 years together ❤️
Now I have a Døl horse, a very rare Norwegian light drafthorse breed. I wanted something different not to be reminded of my beloved Oldenburger. 😉 My new boy, 3 years now and I had him for 2 years, still reminds me of my Oldenburger, not the look but how he behaves sometimes. So either I go for the same type of individuals, or it must be me 😂😂😂😂 either way, I am looking forward enjøyong the journey and many years we hopefully have together 😊
It sounds like you’re going to have a wonderful time together. And you probably were attracted to him by whatever qualities attracted you to your first horse. We all have “dating types.” Lol.
You might not best the best,but you can be the best at what you can be. I had a 20yo QH mare i got at a fire sale. She was a joy. A 10yo Morgan gelding. He was a star, he taught a little girl to ride. Last, the million yo pony. She, bit,kicked,struck, balked, reared in harness. God i miss her! All the horses I've ever met were all individuals. 😅
I am very happy to hear you mention that every breed has a purpose and different characteristics.
I no longer can ride but used to ride thoroughbred hunters over fences; went on 2 fox hunts (no animals hurt in this process) but started on part-quarter horse mare, paint. She was bought from a farmer whose 5 kids would ride on her bare back all 5 of them. She didn’t care. She was great. Her name was “Sugar”.
I rode her until college kept me too busy. I miss her greatly.
I'm a fan of Morgans and Arabs, just because that's what I grew up with and I'm used to. I've also shown some really nice QH's and Appy's. Draft crosses seem to be the trend lately and I do like what I've seen in them for the most part. If people don't want to believe you about breeding standards . . . just show them all the Metallic Cat QH's out there now!
Left out my 3/4 TB 1/4 Perch. He was awesome. Looked like the old time thoroughbreds. TB outline but had good bone. Black with a white foot and a star. EXCELLENT temperament.
Merry Christmas and thank you for always teaching me something. I appreciate you and your program.
The truth about horses: it costs as much to keep a poor horse as it does to keep an excellent horse.
Depends on what make her a poor horse and what care you are willing to provide. If you need extra vet or trainer assistance or must change farriers to someone more expensive - the poor horse can cost more. If poor horse causes injury to people they can cost far more. If you end up putting the “poor” horse down (ie not keep) they might end up less costly over time.
@@finngamesknudson1457 But generally what Kathleen Redick is saying is very true.
@@dianemanson7756 - I’d still argue that with horses, as most other things, in long run it is less expensive to start with quality. I’m not disagreeing with @kathleenredick275.
$1000 horses come with $10000 problems.
It's still possible to find a really good horse for a decent price ( 10 to 15k). It does take time to find one though. I've also have found some really well put together horses for less ( 3 to 5k) but these tend to be harder to find.
Always get a PPE to hopefully prevent the 10K vet bills.
It's so interesting reading these comments. I don't have a horse, but from your videos (your channel came into my TH-cam suggestions recently), I would say I'm most drawn to Breeze and Bubba. I hope Bubba lands in a good home.
I have a Tb x Canadian. When she’s beside a Thoroughbred she looks Canadian- when she’s beside a Canadian she looks like Thoroughbred. She has a more Thoroughbred temperament- she’s a lovely horse- now 27 years old and retired from general pleasure activities-❤
It's interesting to see the different breeds owned by the people commenting. When I was young, I road mostly quarter horses, a couple of thoroughbreds, and appaloosas. I worked at a ranch bringing horses in for groups (tourists), saddling, bridling, etc., who wanted to trail ride. That way, I could ride the owners' horses for free. My first horse was an appendix mare. She was the laziest horse I ever rode. She made me work! She developed Cushing's and passed at 24yrs. I started hanging out at an Arabian barn where my sister boarded her horse. Switched to riding English and started dressage lessons. I never met (or rode) an Arabian I didn't like. I was looking to buy and lucked into purchasing a National Show Horse. He was the best horse I ever owned or rode. He had a natural lift and extension on the front end and powered from the back end. After working in the arena, we went trail riding and he loved it. He never spooked or acted crazy, even with deer or anything else we encountered. He has long since passed and I'm too old to even get up the mounting block these days, but I love watching your videos! Have you had the pleasure of riding a NSH?
We have 3 horses here. I have a Registered Appaloosa mare I bought as a weanling. She is 19 now and she is bold, forward and honest as the day is long. She never gave me an issue when I trained her she just went willingly. I love riding her.
I also have a Quarter Horse. He is 5 and has been a challenge of sorts under saddle but he has a great mind overall. I can't say i love riding him yet but we will get there!
Last we have an Appaloosa cross. No idea what the cross is but she takes my daughter where she wants to go willingly and cheerfully. We bought her as an 8 year old. She is 21 now. My preference is Appaloosa horses . I have had 2 others that were wonderful.
Thank you Tim, Malinda, & Bowie ☺ 👌
Best wishes to you all.
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Thank you. You too.
I have a N.A. Spotted Draft. He is a rescue, and super pushy. We are working on that stuff.
We are dressage and showjumper people so we ride all kinds of warmbloods. However, we’ve had a number of stockhorses, OTTB’s, and ponies. Right now, the warmblood registries of the horses we ride are varied, but the bloodlines are primarily Holsteiner, selle francais, Dutch and Hanoverian. There is typically a difference in the jumper brain and dressage brain and training is approached a bit differently. Thanks for all your videos
I love quarter horses and Appaloosas. Can you do a video about how to find and purchase a safe quiet horse for trail riding and small local horse shows? Best wishes and happy holidays
I did that video last year, probably time to do it again.
I'd like to know between my two favorites, Breeze the very smart Mustang and Saber the cow curious Arabian, who'd you like to keep...if you'd wanted to.
Interesting question. If cars came to an end and I had to ride a horse for transportation I would pick Breeze, she's like a reliable truck. If I wanted a sports car it would be Sabre. To be honest though neither one really fits me. I like something in the middle, something like sporty SUV, more like Bob.
Nice. I'm absolutely crazy about them both and would love to own Breeze but am very curious on how far you'll progress Sabre before you want to give him back. He is unique.
Unfortunately, it’s the current level of the horse that determines the “value”. Used to ride a 20ish year old standardbred mare. She was a top pacing mare in her day (early 80s) land won quite a bit of money for her owner, more than enough to fund her own retirement. She was bred a few times but her foals didn’t have her speed so she was worthless. When I met her in around , she had just been adopted from an off-track rescue, still underweight and recovering from a nasty case of thrush and severely overgrown hooves. Once she stopped making money, her owner had no use for her. Luckily she found her way to a rescue and a new home. Once I figured out how to sit her pace (can’t post a pace), she was a great trail horse. She never broke her pace and was still blisteringly fast. She was a good horse and deserved better.
Draft/quarter horse here. Thinking he’d get some “whoa” from the draft, didn’t happen. He got the drafty big solid frame but he’s as quick and agile as the cowy roping quarter horses he was crossed with. Drafty on the ground but a lot of go in the saddle.
Interesting conversation and thoughts on horses characteristics and traits.
Mine is Arab and MFT. Great horse with a good mind. Enough fire to keep it interesting and good sense to keep ya as safe as you can be on any horse. Recently discovered he is gaited while out on a ride.
I’ve got to learn how to get him framed up to repeat the gaiting again. He can go all day while taking the lead or is okay with bringing up the rear on a trail ride. He just loves to be out in the woods working at seeing sights and covering ground at the pace asked for.
Had Arabs for past 25 yrs he’s my first experience with a Missouri Fox Trotter.
Just an older rider here that loves trail riding and camping.
My current horse is a Peruvian paso cross thorobred and she just floats across the ground, and she definitely is high energy and fun to ride. I have also had a Welsh mountain pony, a standardbred and a QH/Arab X, all very different thinkers as you said, but I do especially love my Peruvian!
I have 2 Walkers!! Love them!!❤
As always a very informative video. Do you have experience with friesian quarter horse crosses? What do you think of there temperaments. Ride quarter horse an paint horse like a good minded good riding horse breed actually doesn't matter.
Have a merry Christmas.
I have trained several Friesian crosses and a couple full Friesians. They all had good minds. Smooth gaits, forward moving, but not naturally lateral moving in the front end.
Tim which breed of horse would you like to train that you haven't yet?
Appreciate this good info about different breeds AND variations within breeds.
I also love you talking about adjusting training for individual horses. One of the hallmarks of a great trainer imo is one who puts ego aside and does what the horse needs to accomplish the goal. ❤
Good question. I get excited when I get a new breed to ride and learning about its characteristics but I don't think there is any breed I can think of that I'd say, I want to ride that breed. Now days there can be more variation in a breed than from one breed to another. That can be just as challenging. There are some ways of moving that I ride better than others and some minds that I like working better than others. I don't like working a horse that doesn't have any try to please the rider. I don't mind riding an opinionated horse. I had an Arabian one time that every ride the first 10 minutes was seeing if he could get me off. My wife tried to get me to send him back. I thought this horse can move better sideways and backwards than many horses can move forwards, if I could get his mind in the right direction he would be a good horse. Ended up I won a lot on him. For me it's more about the individual horse than the breed.
I ride a Rocky Mountain Horse. I have had a TWH, a QH, and an Appy. All have their good and sometimes not so good traits. But I loved every one of them. My ideal would be an App/Rocky cross.
I have a two year old mare. Dutch warmblood, Arabian mix. High energy horse, she is challenging, likes to dance and prance on one spot, but she is not scared, the Haflingers at our stable tend to startle a lot, if they see a wheel barrel in the wrong spot they are afraid, my horse is very brave, but wild, but if she has to work she gets a working mind and then she really concentrate on the lunge and voice commands. Im Dutch so my English is not so good, i hope you understand. We dont ride horses till they are at least three, and that will be in april.
I do have a question, are the breeds in America better to ride in at two years or would you ride an Arabian two year old as wel, is there a difference? My daughter has step around on her a few times now but she is very light weight.
I would say that most people in America do not ride their horses before the age of three no matter what the breed is. The one exception to that is the Thoroughbred that is in race training, but then those horses are only under saddle for a very brief period of time daily and are ridden by very lightweight exercise riders and jockeys. I've never known of anyone who did anything more than ground training for their riding horses until they were at least three or even sometimes four years old.
I ride and train a mustang, but nowadays I have the time to train one.
Before Rocky Mountain, Quarter Horse, a Race Horse (trotter), Warmblood ..
And I liked them all.
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I have an Arabian mare with I ride dressage but I train here with much western influence. My late Arabian gelding i was riding western pleasure/trail and dressage.
I love the Arabians for there mind and loyalty. They are picking their human and will bond forever.
Very surprised to hear he's being trained for dressage. With that long stride, he'd make a good trail horse. Pretty horse.
Current lessons are on a palomino quarter horse mare. She is wonderful and patient with my fumbling efforts. A prior lesson horse at a different barn that I absolutely adored was a 17 hand thoroughbred Andalusian gelding. He was so sweet, but had a terrible cribbing issue and ultimately died of colic.
The horse didn't have a cribbing issue, it had a human issue. Humans keeping him in a manner completely opposite of how a horse should be kept. He was locked in a box more hours than he wasn't and he had very little herd interaction if any. He died how he lived - in misery.
He arrived at the barn where I took lessons with that habit. The horses there had at least 12 hr turnout daily with other horses. Dante took down pasture fence posts with his cribbing and huffing.. and they sold him to a different training facility as a result. For the 2 years he was at the barn where I took lessons, he was getting top notch care and they tried every humane approach they could to stop his habit.
We do not know what caused his behavior to develop. He was not in misery when I knew him. It devastated me to hear he'd been sold since he was a horse I bonded to. He seemed to enjoy lessons and had tons of herd time.
I think of that sort of repetitive behavior as a mental illness. It can affect one's life, yes, but it does not define it.
@@jackien5563 I've never heard of a horse who lived as a horse should, develop stall devices such as cribbing. It just doesn't happen. Horses are designed to move & graze in a herd for 20 hours per day. You might not believe it defined his life while you knew him but you can bet at some point it did and it certainly sealed his fate.
I love our Australian working horses. They aren't always pretty but great dependable all-rounders. I wouldn't walk past a quarter horse tho
I ride a Rocky Mountain mare. I've owned several Arabians, an Appy, QH and my Rocky is very different - great gate, almost unflappable, seems to love people, and nosy.
I’ve had quarter horses, thoroughbreds, Missouri Fox Trotter. Currently I have a gaited mare, think she is a crossbred of Tennessee walker and Fox trotter, and 3 mustangs. My favorite quarter horse was a mare from gay bar king breeding.
My mustangs are my favorites due to their personalities. My grey gelding does any event I want to do though we are still working on his opinions. The other two mustangs, both mares, are in training so we’ll see what they like to do.
I started out being a trail rider only then got introduced to obstacle competitions. My gaited mare did good at obstacles and even won me some money. My mustangs gelding is my main rider and we do trails, small local ranch horse shows and EXCA (extreme Cowboy Racing). I’m hoping my two mustang mares will do the same Events. I don’t do exca with the gaited mare as she is not consistent with picking up her right lead canter, but she is great at trail riding.
He's lovely.
I'm currently not riding. My last horse was 1/2 Thoroughbred, and 1/4 each Saddlebred and Arabian. She got the best of all of them IMO. I might be biased LOL. Thinking of a future horse, I would like to try an Azteca. A friend had one and she was remarkable. I like a forward, thinking horse with a willing can-do attitude (don't we all?).
Also, since I am older, I have considered a gaited horse. Ironically one of the horses I rode was a pure (registered) Quarter Horse and he was naturally gaited. An odd-ball for sure, but a pleasure to ride! I won my first ribbon at Musical Hats because of his rack!
I’ve always been an Appaloosa or Quarter Horse person…however, at 58 I’d look for a nice easy riding larger horse…maybe a draft cross with a Quarter Horse…color doesn’t matter…easy keeping trail horse is now my jam…no interest in showing anymore.
I have a 20 yr old Arabian who I got 10 yrs ago because he really needed a person and my 28 yr old OTTB at the time could no longer be ridden.
I was thinking my next horse after my thoroughbred was going to be a bay quarter horse cross. Bay because I didn’t want another grey. So much for that - ended up with another grey. Oh well. At least this one isn’t a wallower. And he turned out to be the really nice trail horse I needed.
I’m 100% into my cow bred horses. For some reason I’ve ended up with a lot of paints. I’m someone who looks for the horse with the best form to function and mind… I could care less about color or mane length. I want a good mover, balanced, good minded, good footed horse that has a strong and willing work ethic. Mine are a bit old school such as daughters or granddaughters of Like A Diamond, Smart Chic Olena, Royal Silver King, Genuine Doc, Gallo De Cielo (Rooster), Color Me Smart crossed on more modern reining lines like A Sparkling Vintage, Pale Face Dunnit, SG Frozen Enterprise, Magnum Chic Dream, ect. They just try their ass off, I can ride them on our 13,000 acre ranch through rocks and cactus for hours moving cattle, then haul them to a show, rope off them, pony off them, use them as a pack horse, and I even have taught quite a few that were on the hotter side to be phenomenal polo ponies. They are to me, the Swiss Army knife of horses.
I've been fortunate enough to have owned 6 horses. One pure Trakehner, 1 Arab/Thoroughbred/Qtr horse cross, 1 pure Hanoverian, 2 warmblood crosses and 1 Dutch Harness/Dutch Warmblood cross.
All were/are great teachers. My Trakehner was the most challenging. Super smart but very opinionated. I had to be creative and sensitive when working through his issuees.
My fav was my Arab cross. I could trust him completely. Great mind and loved to work with me. Interestingly, the least talented for dressage work but we were able to do some very good FEI level collected work.
My Dutch cross is the youngest (weanling) but also the most talented. He's also very smart and likes to work with me. His fear factor right now is high so he's very reactive.
My Warmblood crosses have been middle of the road types. Good quality but not FEI potential.
I love the Fjords.
Specific mechanics about the way a horse moves catches my eye before a breed.
Hi Tim, have you ridden many Standardbreds? Any characteristics that have stood out, apart from being really naturally on the forehead?
Thanks
horsingwithhugo, One of our school horses was a retired Standardbred, but a pacer. She had a lovely temperament and smooth gait. Odd-feeling at first but easy to adjust to.
@@aileen694 yes I own and ride one, o was wondering what Tim thought of characteristics :)
Yes I have ridden several. Felt like their body was all going different directions.
@@timandersonhorsetraining I agree. It takes a while to put them all together, often a lot of time showing them how to use their body.correctly.
Thank you for another interesting & thoughtful video. I have a Rocky Mountain gaited horse, and I'd be interested to know the reason behind your comment that Rockies are your favorite gaited horse. Mine is a lovely horse, but he only really gaits when he's nervous or anxious. I have no training for gaiting, but bought him because his original owner couldn't keep him, and just wanted him to have a good owner. She rarely rode him, due to health issues, and fear ... I understand her fear ... he's strong & his movements on the ground are big ... I wish I had more knowledge in understanding him. Perhaps you can shed some light on the breed. I very much appreciate your videos & your approach to training.
I have trained many Rock Mountains. For me, of the gaited horses they are the most comfortable. When I ride a TW for a long time my lower back starts to hurt, when I ride a Paso for a long time I feel like I'm still vibrating when I get off. LOL. Also in general I like a Rocky Mountain's mind better than a MFT.
Thank you! He IS extremely comfortable, no matter what speed, except when he decides to pace ... that's not fun. We're in Mexico. When I bought him, I asked a local 'trainer' to help me understand the gaiting ... he put a very nice trot on him! I've been told there are only 2 Rockies in our area South of the Border ... this guy had no idea how to gait, either ... so, we walk & trot most of the time. @@timandersonhorsetraining
I’ve two quarter horses and one Tennessee Walker.
I have a question but I'm not sure if you are comfortable commenting on it. I consider myself to be relatively novice experience wise which is why I wanted to ask about his fetlocks. The rear in particular. His seem to drop quite a bit to me. I'm wondering if that can be considered normal and I'm also wondering if a horse who has dropping fetlocks is not always destined to develop DSLD. Also in order for a DSLD diagnosis does there have to be other signs such as swelling.
Thanks a lot and if this is not a good place to ask these questions feel free to disregard my comment. ♥️
It's normal
Of course I know you wouldn't ride a horse with physical problems. Thanks for answering my question because I've learned from your answer. I have so much to learn and I appreciate people like you who are teaching me so much. Thanks for taking time for making and sharing all of your videos and knowledge.
I love horses but have never owned one. I have had dogs and cats though. Everyone thinks they want a smart animal...and smart is important, but not too smart. A highly intelligent dog or cat is easily bored. They require much more interaction and variety to keep them happy, sarisfied, and emotionally connected. I can imagine horses are the same and I thought about that when you were talking about horse's minds.
Myself 1/2 quarter horse 1/2 arabian..endurance is a thing i want in a horse..with that cross you get a great blend or i think so..tho don't ever and i mean ever cross a arab with a hancock..that cross will if not get you killed seriously hurt..had 2 and they ended up bucking stock grant it they ended up expensive bucking stock but still bucking stock..
Hey! I have a largo paso fino..she really moves out, I have 2 rockies and 2 spotted saddle horses! My paso is different then most as she really covers a lot of ground, in stride and speed. What do you think is the most reactive horse? I know my paso is the most reactive I own right now.
I call that "a committee project".
Tim I agree with you horse with a big hart good mind and willing to please everything else is pretty is as pretty does
I ride a cow bred QH who is surprisingly sensitive and spooky.
Just a comment. The horse you’re riding. His fetlocks are dipping very low on his back feet. Is this normal for him? Just asking.
Yes it's normal
Thank you! @@timandersonhorsetraining
I ride Tennessee Walking horses.
Bowie has a very nice and appealing head and face, I think! He is a cutie. 🥰
My Arabian is the best horse I've ever owned for many reasons. You also can't beat a Mustang.
A well bred cowhorse is about the only thing I’ll throw a saddle on anymore. The modern QH breeding has bred the smartest, coolest headed horses on the planet. So yea I’m a AQHA snob lol
OTTB. 16 years-old. A little reactive but kind.
He looks like he may be getting some DSLD? Pretty common in the draft breeds. Hope not-seems like a nice guy.
My favorite is a QH.
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Saber is stirring up most horses….??
He's turned out in the big arena running around and I think the rest of the horses are trying to figure out why he's running around. Lol.
@@timandersonhorsetraining because he's an Arab and they are never tired lol, Right?
Tennessee Walking Horse
Could you also adjust Your weight to The horses you ride - rider should never be above 200 lbs
Love these draft crosses