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They need to allow it on the flea it’s fun to use but dog poop. The other auto shotgun should be the only quest locked one imo. At least the iron sight only aa12 should be on flea idk why it isn’t
i feel i should also say for the full auto saiga is that its barter is only available if you completed the zombie event or by killing tagilla
@@amgry_leaf8546 like if I didn’t do the zombie quest there’s no way of unlocking the barter for it this current wipe?
Honestly, if they reduce the price and barter by 25%, and also allow more attachment and modification options to help it, that will be enough to make it viable, especially since it can't jam, it would be amazing for Kollontay since he is a boss that jams weapons, this can be a viable weapon for taking him down
jake paul vs tyson.. ok.. let me stop u there, maybe its sad, but its fake, just money, if u look to detailed look on videos with people who actualy watching it, u can see ton of signals that the tyson hold back after few seconds of first round, he could k.o. that joke poul, but he dont have that amount of money from it like he did when he let him win.. also this is understandable and not shamefull, that the old man want his rest and becaouse he need the money, there is no point going back to risk of health injuries on old bones with normal boxer to achueve the same mount of money what he can have from one boxing match if he agree to loose.. only luck thing is that we (smart people) know it and dont p_ss on his legacy, he just want retirement money..
Ah classic tarkov
"half a billion doubloons and loyalty level 6 with endgame quests to unlock the right to use a horrible weapon" game design
wouldn't be tarkov unless the reward for hours of questing was a terrible gun
Unironically i believe that LL4 should unlock every weapon that requires task completion. Its enough of a grind where at that point you've just kind of earned. It. Hell in case of the Sig SPEAR the task that you need to do in order to get it is absolutely not worth the task to unlock it.
Right like I haven’t played much this wipe. Saw him talking how shit it was. And was like level 2 traders max right? Level 4 is nuts. At that point I’m not even gonna consider using it unless I’m memeing.
Fuck Russia and Fuck Battlestate.
Balancing in multiplayer games have been an absolute plague on just how cool and awesome full auto shotguns are.
Tarkov isn't even are competitive shooter, it doesn't need to be super balanced
They are cool and awesome but god are they a balancing nightmare if you want to have a fun time at close range
Well, AA12 is a garbage IRL too, so that checks up
@@darrkhunter96 not really?
@@darrkhunter96 function doesnt matter when youve got atleast 12 shots of 00buck slung at you first. its a full auto shotgun. its meant to absolutely fuck anything in its way until it cant. oh also same thing with most of your full auto rifles and smgs. turns out full auto is hard on guns. from personal experience burst is real hard on them too. ask my acog from the marine corps that broke shooting burst. oh and dont forget the 6 failures i had before i got it to actually shoot a full burst. but im sure youre super versed in full auto shotguns and not just a web banger.
The literal whole point behind the AA-12 is low recoil. FPSRussia shot it one handed full auto. Why do the PMCs in this game have noodle arms?
because nikita hates the playerbase having fun we've been over this.
@@Crimsontalor "Realistic"
*Somehow makes the AA-12, a weapon widely known for having low recoil for a shotgun, kick like a mule.*
@@lordpumpkinhead265"Realistic"
*makes famously unreliable shotgun shoot through an entire mag without jamming*
Brothers, this is explainable... Russian game. Saiga needs to be better even if IRL nobody would ever prefer to use a Saiga over an AA-12, so they make the AA-12 bad to keep Russian gun relevant lol. It's like how some 7.62x39 ammo in game is still relevant, yet IRL, that shit is considered obsolete for modern combat. (yes ik people still use it ALL the time in combat, but we have much better intermediate cartridges now)
he was using birdshot tho
AA-12- low recoil, low RoF, heavy design to reduce recoil impulse
Escape From Tarkov- Fires one shot from AA12 and looking up into sky
Maybe they thought AA stood for Anti Air
Nikita gets his booze from Kalashnikov Concern.
Same problem as the pkm
The recoil on the AA-12 is completely absurd, if they brought down the recoil to something where you would be able to keep your red dot on target, and have the cost changes, I think it would be a great trade-off of fire rate versus sustained DPS against the Saiga or any of the semi-auto tube fed shotguns. Any video that shows the AA12 being fired in real life shows that they did my boy dirty with the recoil stat.
Didn't fps russia akimbo them?
i found that the aa12 is actually slightly usable if you set it to semi and spam click. same rpm, day and night difference with recoil.
@Le_pakg446 not only akimbo them he also fired them one handed with no support whatsoever with zero problem
The Benelli m3 still has a the trigger delay the mp 153 and 155 used to have, makes it awful to use in comparison, which sucks bc I really like it aesthetically
100%. I remember the fps Russia video where he literally shoots it sideways one handed and there’s almost no recoil.
You can fire irl AA12 one handed due to it's insanely low recoil, i have no idea what were they thinking
"it's a western gun, we have to make it shit"
@VanBourner Oh, right, forgot about in-game WeSt aRe BaD gUyS narrative. Makes sense
@@purple_1884 yep teh rusian bias is strong within this game :D
@@VanBournerThis is a completely illogical argument because most of the meta weapons are in fact western.
@@nemanjasavic3389 Yeah, but after you put on a lot of aftermarket shit, for example the basic ADAR-15/M4 also has a lot more recoil than a .223/5.56 should have
bro you scared the SHIT out of me at 1:36 with that honk, I paused the video, jumped up and started looking to see what happened outside.
dude same I paused the video and checked out the window just to play it back and feel stupid
Same! Thought some dude was outside who rammed into my car.
This guy stole your entire video script and made it his own: th-cam.com/video/0jsV6gEraIQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7tTP79Ya5L1xTo67
Recoil and fire-rate is horrendous compared to the Saiga-12.
the whole point of the AA-12 is low recoil, they fucked up on this one
They literally just need to lower the recoil, this gun irl is known for having little to no recoil
Mostly because it weighs 15+ pounds, which tends to soak up the recoil
@@MandolinMagi And also because you know, it has a patented recoil reduction system lmao.
@@h1tsc4n40It does, but the weight is also relevant. Physics is a thing you can't ignore. The heavier the gun, the more of the recoil impulse it absorbs. Being a big chonky gun was intentional.
Honestly, the biggest thing for me is that it should have one of the better recoil's of the shotguns. I mean one of the most memorable bits from the FPS Russia video is him shooting the damn thing single handed and really not suffering much on the recoil (at least compared to what most people would vs a 12 gauge full auto shotgun). Obviously the price/accessability needs to go down too but the recoil and Ergo is probably the worst part to me
The AA-12 has a few main problems that the Saiga gets to sidestep:
1. No mods fit on it. You can't even really give it any tacticals to help point fire and the scope is way too close to the eye in game. The Saiga gets to poach AK modding, so it gets some of the best stat attachments in game. If it had some aftermarket modding, even just barrel options, foregrip, and muzzle options, it would gain a lot of argument for use case.
2. Fire rate is accurate to real life at 300-330 rpm. However, because the other shotguns can be easily compensated with attachments, they can use tap fire to dump faster without recoil issues. Could you potentially tap fire it faster than full auto? Maybe, but at that point just use one of the other semi shotties.
3. Recoil. Flat out, of what we have in game, only the TOZ should have less recoil than a AA-12. The platform itself was made to be unreasonably recoil dampening. The slower full auto compared to single fire speed could be forgiven if it was the low recoil laser. It would even allow for slug play if the sight issues were cleaned up.
4. Price. Levi already addressed this and his numbers were reasonable for what it should be.
5. Weight and Ergo. The platform is heavy to dampen recoil. However, short of it getting fixes to the above, why take it in over a Saiga that probably modded weighs less still and is just flat better? Ergo is already a weird stat in game and I have opinions on how much it should affect the game, but the AA-12 is not a clunky gun to use compared to say a mosin. Yet, it is just as bad as old pre and inter war guns that have far less ergo consideration in design. The AA-12 was purpose built to be a CQC full auto, low recoil platform. Reflect that. You can make a semi shotty in this with 100 ergo for the same price as the AA-12. In real life, it is noted as one of the more ergonomic shotguns with its only downside being size and weight for smaller frames. Our PMCs are not small people, so they should be able to handle this with almost no issue.
Addendum: Not related specifically to the AA-12 but to shotties in general, but can BSG please just give us some pump or semi 20 gauge shotguns to play with? Seriously, it would open up the whole ammo type and would be moderately fun to use devastators in a relatively low recoil shotty. And, just to add for the fun of it, give us some .410 shotties if you get frisky.
I had a weekly quest to kill 70 scavs with a saiga-12 and it really made me appreciate that thing and how much better it was to use than the aa-12
I'm just wondering where the SPAS-12 has been all these years.
a man of culture and fine taste i see. brother, same.
I don't even play tarkov (bad computer, i watch vids because it looks interesting) but thats pretty disappointing even to me
Because it does not fit the Tarkov setting
In the dumpster, where it should be. Real talk, the SPAS-12 is a bad weapon platform. In pump, it is fine. However, it has extraction issues in semi due to a mechanical flaw in the design. If you put the wrong ammo in it and go semi, you jam almost immediately in most cases. So, while the nostalgia and design look are good, mechanically, it would have to be handwaved heavily in game.
Mind you, if they had a custom version that Mechanic made specifically to negate the feed and extraction issues in semi, that would both be nice for lore and side step the problem. They could have the default be pump only and the variant be a bit more expensive but able to semi with the higher power ammo. That would be a parsimonious compromise between realism and power fantasy.
@@alexellis197 All semi-auto shotguns have the same problem that spas-14 has when it comes to low power ammo. The pump exist literally because of it since it was made as a police shotgun that needed to shoot non-lethal rounds and those dont work in semi-autos.
dont talk about the toz like that
Give me a toz and lock me in factory with another player with any gun. I guarantee I walk out of factory.
The TOZ had such a massive glow-up with the new ammo, fucking 155 Damage with 30 pen is bonkers for an ultra budget gun.
Even the new 20G Flechette isn't bad at shredding through face shields.
@@DYLANBROCHILL "Throw me to the wolves and i'll come back pregnant" energy.
@@DYLANBROCHILL Damn we got Mark "If I was on that plane, it wouldn't have gone down like it did" Wahlberg over here.
@@DYLANBROCHILL because you ran away screaming like a girl from the nearest extract while the other player was searching for you?
4:03 that rubberbanding oioioi
I was coming down to mention that same thing! 10 YEARS of active development folks!
@@ryanbolson23war thunder moment. Russian gamedev, even. At least Polish shooters are offline.
The slow, chugging cyclic rate is what makes it controllable. That, plus its in-line design. Compared to other "similar" combat shotguns, it should have less muzzle-jump.
0:59 That sight picture looks pretty clean.
5:09 Define "scope."
I think he meant optic? Imma give him the benefit of a doubt
Yeah, it's weird to shit on perfectly fine ghost-ring irons
Saiga FA is so easy to farm off Tagilla. AA-12 should either be buffed or just lowered in price and rarity massively.
"The 20 round mags are cheap"
Me checking the flea yesterday looking for one and saw one dude selling 3 for 200000 roubles a piece
irl this is one of the most accurate and reliable select-fire shotguns ever; like scary good that even the semi-auto variants for civilian markets was considered a NFA item.
It’s because it’s open bolt
@kieronsullivan9515 it's actually cause it weighs a metric ton and has a pretty good recoil system. Open bolt isn't gonna help it as much as you're making out that it would lol
@@MACARONIEMANIAC it’s an nfa item because it’s open bolt it has nothing to do with the reliability
@@MACARONIEMANIACatf says open bolt makes it a MG
@@MACARONIEMANIAC Open bolt weapons are usually trivial to make full auto even in your garage, thats why its restricted.
Chiappa Rhino is a great pistol IRL, just like the AA-12 was a great shotgun IRL. They did these guys dirty. I have a Chiappa in .357, it's recoil is less than my P365 in 9mm
It really wasn't. It serves no practical purpose. IIRC it never even went into production.
@@ForOne814 dym the Rhino or the AA-12? Because chiappa is obviously in production, you can buy 1 right now and AA-12 is still made in limited quantities for certain contracts. So wdym?
@@thekamotodragon AA-12, obviously. Rhino is a revolver, so it's entirely impractical, but it's a civilian weapon. And please cite your sources for existing AA-12 production, cuz as far as I'm aware off a few hundreds at most were made over several decades, it never really went beyond prototypes and no one ever used it.
Another good idea would be to give it a bit more of a niche and make it more realistic by adding its recoil mitigation system, it should have almost no recoil. That'd give more of a reason to purchase it over the saiga, and make them more different.
Maybe reduce the price of the AA12, make it more accessible but the drum mag harder to get, and give it an "unrealistic" but better iron sights?
the worst part about this is, I actually like the AA12 as a gun
Even in Arma 3 the AA40 (Western Sahara CDLC, an AA12 equivalent) is actually good.
Like the Frag ammo on that absolutely slaps, and for CQB it is easily one of the best weapons ingame.
the saiga 12 irl is terrifying and i love it. great video i didnt even know it was in the game at all(not that ive played all that much) . again great job !
NGL, @1:38, I thought a car outside did that. Watching this currently at 8:28 pm
last time i was this early, pestily still had hair
The AA12 is supposed to be really controllable recoil wise and it seems they neutered it.
Ah, just like real life!
iirc the aa-12 was known explicitly for low recoil (which isnt the same for it in tarkov)
I enjoy watching your vids late at night. They bring a sort of comfort for a game that annoys the hell outta me. Always happy to see you upload :)
The real aa-12 has 0 recoil. Thanks, FPSRussia, for showing us all that many years ago
Yes, it’s generally unclear about the balance. They would make the recoil of the AA-12 less than that of the saiga. It would turn out that players were choosing between a high rate of fire or low recoil. This is both logical and better for balance.
The AA-12 should have basically no recoil like in real life.
The AA12 is absolute bullshit in this game an example is with recoil, you can probably find a video of FPS Russia fucking dual wielding them full auto. And then they made it pointless by having the saiga 12K full auto in the game which has probably more customizability than an AK with just as big mags that you can get earlier than an AA12
Overall they have to quit trying to balance this game like it could be the next CS. It’s not, it never will, and it shouldn’t be.
The fact that the Skier questline lore directly confirms that the hype for the AA-12 has not met expectations, leaving Skier to sit on piles of it with no buyers is pretty ironic.
Sounds like it's best niche is to fight Kollontay and crew. Granted it's funnier to use 500 rounds through a PPSH instead. Or maybe against whoever is honking, equally effective.
Damn, I love this thing playing SPT. Always sprint towards its thunderous full auto just for the chance to get another one.
4:03 they still haven't fixed that since the beginning of the wipe
4:02 Streets moment.
the AA12 is pretty much only meant to put tagilla and kollontay in wheelchairs for the rest of their brief lives but against tagilla most weapons can do that, and against kollontay the uzi exists.
i prefer the RPDN when dealing with the magic gun jamming russian
4:03 HOLY DESYNC
that's not desync that's rubberbanding
thats rubberbanding its not really desync its just the server shitting itself, it rolls back everyone im pretty sure
the entire reason for existence of the AA-12 is that it has pretty much zero recoil.
So obviously it recoils super hard in tarkov
Also why does this gun have a massive amount of recoil compared to real life? they really did this gun dirty lmao
It's speculate that most times its been used they were shooting rather light loads. That and it doesnt really move that much if you tap fire. Its just baked into th game to keep people from mag dumping with a laser.
Its such a weird gun to add considering only like 70 of them exist irl
The AA12 seems to run exactly how I would expect it.
I keep an AA-12 on my weapon rack for drip but the only way I’d use it in game is if they add the 25mm grenades it can shoot
Worst part is the LL4 requirement. IMO this gun would be solid behind LL3 or even LL2 because no matter what you do 8 rounds coming out of a MP-153 will always be the go-to option
330 rpm is 1 shot roughly every 0.18 seconds while 700rpm is one shot every 0.085
Siaga12 was my go to on my first wipe. Head taps with Magnum Buck. Worked good 2 years ago
If they add in the 12ga gernade rounds with 32rd drums for AA12 then youll see everyone using it. I use triple blue lasers with flashlight in center and aim via 3 dot lasers
random guy honking horn becomes immortalized for all time on youtube
This is the first time ive seen an AA-12 not be a force of god in a game.
The entire thing about AA12 in real life is it's very low recoil, somehow they missed that mark
The most ridiculous issue is that they immediately introduced the fell auto saiga almost immediately after. I stand power creep
Dam fpsrussia that’s a name I have not heard in a long time.
Ive been having a great time with the AA-12 whatt, I had no idea people felt like this
lmao the ptsd meme at the end got me fr bro
4:02 what the hell, you teleported lmao
It pisses me off that games overexaggerate the recoil on an AA-12. The internal systems of the AA-12 make it so the recoil is so little that you can legitimately fire this thing one handed and still be fairly accurate.
Ive had a great time with the AA12 on most maps
When he got mad at the car horn i just saw the russianbadger tabg clip with the m32
You should do a complaints tier list of every complaint streamers like to make a video on about eft
1:40 Legit got up to check outside for somebody honking until I resumed the video
I was so excited when I got one of these in the gift, I used it once and put it on the rack, I couldn't figure out why I would take it over the shotguns you can literally buy at level 1.
They could've made AA-12 be like an alternative to the Ash-12, but instead, it's just an expensive Saiga-12
And now we have the full auto Saiga, which is leagues better than the AA-12 because it has a faster fire rate and you can do way more with it
I gotta say, I play Phantom Forces on occasion, a very casual yet shickingly well made FPS built in roblox, the AA-12 in that game is pure comedy, it has some big downsides, mainly movement speed, but it lets you lay waste to an unaware enemy time exactly as fast as it should.
IMO they should either make it significantly more accessible or make the gun have extremely low recoil like it does irl
There is a difference between a neutered civ-legal weapon and a supposed military grade weapon.
The aa12 sucks a lot for what it is
To be fair, AA-12 sucks IRL too, and Saiga-12 is among the best, if not the best, magazine-fed semi-auto shotguns.
I was initially annoyed this was added and not the actual production version by Daewoo (USAS-12) but I feel this is Skier going 'fuck it, have meme guns at premium cost'. Like the Vector (though it's gimmick makes it useful)
@@HairTrigger223 tbh in Full auto, Vector isn't really a meme gun. The semi auto civ version very much is, but the full auto version... I fired it and let me tell you that shit is a laser beam, and i had zero jams all day. The only concern is ammo cost, and practical use cases, but if i was REQUIRED for some reason to use an smg for a job, i'd genuinely pick a vector... or an mp5.
@@ForOne814dude saiga is far from the best, have you ever shot one ? Ima talking about the russian made oryginal one (full auto is a mod first of all), jams like crazy ( typical of fully auto shotties that are mostly picky with ammo ) but god damn a turkish semi auto shotty was better than that, the whole gun rattles after a single 10 shell mag if u did not use some kind of thread locker which they didnt use in factory, all i could say abot that gun outside of tarkov (bc thats the only place it is awesome) is its barely usable.
@@jedrzejks6515 of course it'll jam if you put wrong ammo into it. Also, Saigas are of varying quality, especially the early ones had quality control problems. You kinda need to file off some material in a couple of places for them to extract reliably. New production ones are fine, although if you're American you won't have any experience with those, as import was banned in 2014 IIRC.
id love it more if the recoil was brought down a lot to a more realistic level
im so glad you mentioned FPS Russia
So you're telling me the Saiga is cheaper and better in almost every way than the AA12? Battlestate really does depict these weapons as realistically as possible lol.
"AA-12 is meant to be a viable and effective weapon"
yeah buddy, for shure
I mean clearly they didnt want to ruin the game balance by introducing a high firerate scav/noob mulcher so they locked it behind an end game quest and then also nerfed the shit out of it anyway.
But then they also created the uzi pro so who fucking knows that crack they're on
I love this gun so much I want to download the game again to use it but remembered I’m so bad I’ll never unlock it
Aside from the fact the AA-12 is Gimped beyond all belief with its Recoil, I feel saying the Irons are bad is so wrong, its some of the best Irons for me personally
The Saiga with automatic mode has really worse recoil imo, it shakes everywhere horizontally good luck hitting anything which is more than 10m away, (with best in slot)
Either one would be handy to use on that car though
In all fairness, the AA12 being a heavy, impractical, prohibitively expensive weapon that's obsolete as soon as it's released is... kinda realistic, if we're being honest
one of the few good on AA12 compared to saiga
you can put 8 round on 2slot mag so dont have to use 3slot rigs like CPC or ANA.
im sure im coping
anytime BSG adds a gun that is not Russian:
The MCX spear is one of the best weapons in the game, I do not understand where this narrative comes from.
Seeing how awful the sight is makes me wish tarkov copied realism's stance with the canted gun
Dumb thing is that an apature sight like that is one of the better combat irons you can get on a gun. its just hat no came ever models that the rear peep hole isnt obstructing your vision.
Tbh
I hope it stays like that the aa12 in other games ive played is a beast that cannot be controlled
So i got PTSD at this point
Now you see why this gun never saw combat lol
Nikita gets his booze from Kalashnikov Concern.
I feel like I’ll only use the AA12 because it looks dumb in a good way
Just a quick comment to say I really enjoy your Tarkov content. I think you found a niche that's not replicated elsewhere, both in format and content.
"MOM STOP HONKING, I'M TRYING TO MAKE A TH-cam VIDEO!"
Always remember FPS Russia shooting this thing sideways one handed. That’s what we should expect from its recoil
The nostalgia for Battlefield 3 is too strong
Tbh if aa-12 will be replaced by idk any type of ar chambered by 12ga will be more intresting.
This can be modded? Yes this will take a lot of mods like other ar's
This ar shotgun will have open bolt? Definetly not
This will have any reason to exist next to saiga or mp?
Probably saiga or mp will not have that amount of slots for mods
Price for that? Maybe same like a nowadays aa-12 (but depends on base model ar-15 or maybe scar)
(I waiting for saiga 20 bcs this will be a funny monster)
4:03 nice teleport
should have given it minimal recoil and better ergo slightly so it would be a way lower recoil so its more like a slower fireing but way better recoil saiga.
perhaps if the barter is better too then people would start using it, i would atleast
Leviticus is my favorite professional Tarkov yapper ❤️
New Leviticus upload let's go.
a huge fucking brick that weighs like 1996 toyota firing at the pace of an old man walking SHOULD NOT have that much recoil imo
One day if tarkov ever stops doing wipes for live servers I will actually get to this stuff, im just not gonna grind to get to the same spot I always get stuck grinding because Im not the god of xp grinding and cant do the "stay at the pace of the community" every wipe or be left in the dust.
1:33 it's HOLO 😇
I saw AA12 added to Tarkov, and hoped they'd MW2 it. They did not. They fking killed it like the Benelli M3. Granted, the AA12 actually fires that speed of course. But why oh why is it super end game unlock?! Shotguns are useless by the time the AA12 is unlocked!
God damn can’t even put a laser sight on it is wild
Funny how absolutly all diopter sights all represented unfair by Tarkov because either BSG don't care enough to implement out of focus blur of the ring because that's how human eye (and camera's electronic "eye" too) work, or they just can't implement in a way that will not cause more bugs or because it will break how Nikita's shitty visual recoil animations work.