My guess would be that the poor, unfortunate bride-to-be resorted to asking Leota to contact the spirits to find out what happened. Since the Phantom wasn't in the spirit-world anymore she failed to recive any answers, however she left a crystalball behind for future visits...😉
That's sort of what I was thinking. Either that, or the first seance she did was actually in the area of Thunder Mesa (potentially be the daughter to see if she could contact her fiance). But she could sense that the Thunderbird was angered and left for Louisiana, where when she died she could go between her crystal balls because they were her mediums to channel spirits.
I like the new lore, but I prefer the ageing of Melanie in the old one. I liked the whole story about her waiting for her fiancé forever. I feel like she’s not in the new story enough
I don't like that Melanie has other suitors in this one. It's too much like Constance Hatchaway, and Jake the Foreman being her one true love makes Melanie seem more benevolent while she looks more like the Phantom's cohort with multiple suitors getting killed.
The old lore is more subtle, based more on insinuating situations rather than explaining them in full. At the end of the new lore Melanie appears manically trying to keep you there with her as a simple last scare instead of her skeleton pointing you to the exit while she remains behind, still waiting. The old lore stuck with you long after you left the attraction. And seeing here age and cry at her boudoir always hit me right in the feels. It was done so well!
@@LoveNeko64 Yeah, I've been single my whole life and at this point, I'd probably accept an undead abomination's hand in marriage. At least I'd get to live in a cool house, and the love making would be...interesting...to say the least. XD
They had the reccording from the opening of the ride. But French complained about not understanding the English (Damn self-involved fre...)and now they brought back a combination of the 2 voices.
I just assumed that in this new lore Henry “arranged” for all Melanie’s suitors to meet gruesome ends, being a terrible possessive father and all. It makes it all the more likely that his ghost would return with murderous intent, if he was already doing these things in life. Having ridden Phantom Manor exactly once in its original state, I can say that I kind of miss Melanie’s characterization. In the original story, even though she wasted away in the manor she still maintained some goodness and humanity, pointing us to the way out so we wouldn’t be trapped with her. In this incarnation, all the tragedies in her life piled up to the point that she truly went insane and let her darker instincts take over as a ghost. It makes for a creepy end to the ride for sure, but I just miss having one bride in the Many Haunted Mansions who wasn’t, y’know, EVIL. Anyway, great video as always! ^_^
@@elsie8757 A hammer and some rope. Nobody said he was ALIVE when the boat went over the rope. Whack him over the head with a hammer, tie him up in the boat, send it over.
@@elsie8757 I dunno, maybe a seance with a certain "mystic lady" and/or something along such lines of creating an evil pact that he knew would end in sacrificing not only himself and the town, but also his daughter's eternal happiness?!!! Just a thought......
I like the old story line better. It's much more melancholy and lends a tragic twist to the classic story of the jilted bride. I also like the fact that in the original, you don't really know if the phantom is Melanie's father or not. The new story line just seems so... damned generic.
I like the original because Melanie was the hero trying to help you escape the Phantom's clutches. Now both of them have the same goal of trapping you in the realm of the dead.
My theory is that Rowan D. Falls, (Melanie's suitor who's the captain of the Mark Twain Riverboat) is related to Albert Falls, the SEA member who founded the Jungle Cruise.
As for why the ghosts moved into the house or stayed in the town, I think it's just one more horrifying example of just how evil Henry Ravenswood is: after death, in addition to psychologically torturing his daughter, he traps all the souls of Thunder Mesa in the town and his mansion so he can lord over them in death as well, preventing them from ever resting.
I like the new one because it didn't really change the story and the things that were changed were quickly reverted upon fan feedback (they had replaced the waltz in the ghost ball with the music from the American version which just doesn't fit and, let's be honest, is much worse :P). By the way, from the new story, the one thing I would like to clarify is that Melanie herself never found out what happened to any of her husband-to-be's. She's still waiting for the last one to show up at the wedding feast. Oh and the phantom canyon was already full of dead people and only dead people before the refurbishment. They just improved the animatronics. Madame Leotta is there to invite people into the ghost ball. "Join now the spirits in nuptial doom...a ravishing bride...a vanishing groom".
@@mdragonflame Yup! On like the 2nd or 3rd day after opening. Cast members heard from a lot of patrons that they didn't like the change and EuroDisney's management listened and obliged :D
I finally went on the new version yesterday and while I do like some of the updates, I definitely prefer the old storyline. I hate the part where Melanie asks guests to marry her, no just no. No.
Adding: if you accept the premises of the DL Haunted Mansion and Phantom Manor, Leota wouldn't have had to go that far to get to Thunder Mesa, as it's in the American west and HM is in New Orleans. It would've been just as hard for her to get there as the WDW Mansion in New England. Or it's just a cloned room and we should really just relax, lol.
The reason why Leota is there is apparently she was a visiting psychic that was in Thunder Mesa during the Earthquake and died with everyone and her spirit helped call the ghosts into the house at the Phantom's behest/forced to.
Wait, so did they get rid of Melanie’s skull mirror and her holding the candles in the hallway? I loved those because they made her a tragic, haunted Miss Havisham figure. In this new version, I worry that her role has been severely cut down so her father and her exes could shine.
Actually, in the new version there is no mention of the train conductor who wanted to marry Melanie in the original story. His hanged body above the stretching room is gone, now the Phantom is menacing directly the guests with the noose...so this led me to a theory: in this version, according to Henry each one of the visitors may potentially be Melanie's groom and so he's constantly trying to scare them or trap them inside the Manor and, at the same time, driving Melanie mad. In fact, according to Imagineers who worked on this refurb, the four suitors have been killed by Henry himself through fake accidents based on their names (as seen in the stretching room), so this theory makes more sense.
I'm actually glad they added more to the story now. From what I remember of the old one though (From a book about the Haunted Mansion I bought at Disney like 12 years ago) the original story was like you said for the most part but from what I recall the wedding day was the same day as the earthquake and it killed basically everyone in the house except Melanie and she wandered the house looking for her groom. I may be misremembering but who knows. Either way I'm so glad you did a video on this because this story has always been so intriguing to me and with the update they did I was curious about the details of the story.
Ignatius is actually an English word meaning "can be ignited easily". As in... He's likely to explode. Someone at Disney knows their old English words 😆
i'm wondering if Rowan D. Falls is connected to Albert Falls (keeping the Disney S.E.A connection alive). I guess there is no Train Conductor in the new Story and Barry Claude is the last suitor, who proposed to Melanie and wanted to mary her. But in the end, when killed and his soul gotten trapped in the manor. He wants to leave and give the ring back, so Melanie wants a new suitor, the new arrivals...
Dallin mentioned the train conductor though, he was Melanie's last suitor after Claude. Plus the "Phantom Hanging the groom in the attic" scene is still there, so that can't be Barry because he died from being mauled by a bear.
@@elsie8757 isn't it Just the Phantom starring at us? There is no hanging in the new version i think. I would love to think that the old story is part of the new, but it raises questions. In the piano scene where wedding music can be heared, you have Barry's picture. And the arm sticking out with the ring, i guess is because Barry doesn't want to be doomed and trapped in the Manor. Ge gives the wedding ring back so that he can try to move on
I'm actually really upset that Henry Ravenswood was the phantom. I think that, especially for this new ride, having him be an ominous spirit who killed each of Melanie's suitors would be better. As well as better matching the Phantom Opera story that it was based on.
Jay Marine yeah I’m totally agreed with you! I also thought that the phantom could be a soul in love for Melanie yet very manipulating by acting like her father so Melanie could be “controlled “ or scared of him even without knowing that he killed her groom
I agree! It never made sense to me that a man who was so overprotective of his daughter in life would then do his best to make her miserable as a ghost. I mean killing her fiance so she wouldn't leave Thunder Mesa _maybe,_ but where does inviting a bunch of other spirits into the manor to taunt her with a demonic wedding reception fit into that?
@@JayMadd13 But it has always been suggested that Henry was the phantom, especially because in the old lore, just like in the new one, he was completely against Melanie marrying that guy, but couldn't do anything because he died in the earthquake along with his wife. Therefore, the phantom was his revengeful spirit coming back to kill the groom. This new storyline made it official.
Ok so I jus wanted to say Dallin In the middle of year six (grade 5) the first video I watched of yours was your haunted mansion death theory and the was in a recommendation for one of a yesterworld entertainment video but I found your voice more cooler (No offence yesterworld) and that video made me fall in love with the haunted mansion and all of the Disney parks which opened new chapter of my life I am not kidding I have made new friends and met awesome people so I just want to say thank you now I am in year 7 (Grade 6) and still love your content and other Disney park channels but mainly yours so bye Dallin and one more time thank you
Could we just say that Melanie became demented from losing all of her lovers and being trapped in the Manor for decades? I mean, she could be someone who went from simply a tormented victim to a demented bride because of all of the torment.
Hello! As I am Japanese fan of Haunted Mansion, I always love your channel. I also a huge fan of Phantom Manor and I made some blogposts about it. (In Japanese, of course.) I have studied about Phantom Manor and there are somethings I want to discuss with you guys. 1 I thought the Train engineer who planned to marry Mary was only in the original story...? (I thought there are only 4 suitors, who can be seen on the stretching portraits.) Was the Train engineer the one hunged by the Phantom, which is not changed from original story? 2 In the original Manor, There was an letter from Mary’s brother in her room. I saw a blogpost which says the letter was kind of a inner joke. Do you know the letter is kept after the reopening? I mean, in the new story, Does Mary still have her brother? 3 in the original version, there was the little bride in the wine cellar, who tells us to Hurry back. In the attraction, the bride(Mary) helps us to escape the Manor by pointing the exit. This is so odd to tell us to hurry back after that. I thought I read that the little bride’s voice is provided by the actress who did Leota. So... the little bride was Leota in her wedding gown? But why? (And I think the little bride scene was deleted after the reopening.) Sorry for such long comment. (I am such a Phantom Manor geek!) Thank you.
-Yes, the train engineer is the guy being hung by the Phantom. In the original story he was Melanie's only suitor, but now in the rewrite there were four others _before_ him. -I never heard about Melanie having a brother even in the original lore, but then again I'm not a Mansion expert. -The one who tells the guests to hurry back in Phantom Manor is Melanie, yeah. It makes more sense in the new version because she's shown to be desperate for someone-- anyone, at this point-- to finally marry her, and I think the part where her skeleton points the way out has been removed. However, the only "little bride" I can think of is in the other Haunted Mansions and is actually not a bride at all. She's wearing a cloak of some kind, not a wedding dress with a veil. She is called Little Leota, but only because her voice was provided by Leota Tombs, who was the _face model_ for Madame Leota, not her voice. Madame Leota's voice was done be Eleanor Audley. Also, technically, "Little Leota" is not the tiny "hurry back"-lady's official name. Instead she is The Ghostess. She and Madame Leota are not the same character.
When they do the new movie I want them to go off of this story line! Its dark twisted and can be epic! Especially with the Thunderbird and Native American lore. When Disney wants to go dark they do a great job.
I prefer the old one, you feel more sympathetic towards the bride. In the new one they make her seem more crazy, although I’m sure to be haunted like that till you die, you would be driven crazy. In the old one, she tries to escape and saves you in the end. With that being said, they did add a lot to the ride and it’s not a bad change. Just wish they kept her being more of a sympathetic character instead of a crazy bride.
Vincent Price has been dead since 1993; so if he came back to voice this new Phantom Manor than it truly is haunted! However; it is more than likely it's the same actor who recently played Vincent Van Ghoul for 'Scooby-Doo and the Curst of the 13th Ghost', Maurice LaMarche. Or it could be old audio remastered for this ride! One of the two!
Mmmnmmmmmm YAY. You uploaded. I’m happy now. You should call your fans Offhanders lol I’m not sure if anyone else commented that but if they did, good job.
I definitely prefer the 1st version! You forgot to mention that during the attraction we follow Mélanie for the rest of her life! (in the endless corridor she was looking for her fiancée, in front of a skull glasses she looked slightly older) The or this holds today the crypt of his suitors there was his skeleton that tell us the exit ...
I’ll take you in my suitcase... but I don’t know how security will feel.... “no sir I’m just carrying loads of bricks in a human shape” or I could say “THIS IS FBI BUSINESS WALK AWAY” I mean either could work right? 🤷🏽♀️😂😂😂❤️ love your vids Offhand!❤️keep making me smile! 💖
To be honest, I like both the original and the updated Phantom Manors. I'm maybe one of the few fans who genuinely was open to the refurbishment and the changes that were added to the ride. I liked the original because it held a mysterious story with romantic characters (i.e. Melanie and Jake, the Engineer) set in a lonely Gothic mansion. I like the updated version because it's the same story but this time we get to learn the ENTIRE story, including the Phantom's identity. A lot of people did not like the updated story because they said it "loses its mystery", which I totally understand. But honestly, I felt so satisfied when it was announced that the Phantom was Henry Ravenswood. It feels so good when you find out you were right all along. HOWEVER, I was really disappointed in the ending of the updated ride (the skeleton bride is replaced by the mirror gimmick found in the Haunted Mansion). I didn't have a problem with Melanie's spooky proposal, where she calls out to anyone who will accept her hand in marriage. A lot of fans thought she was changed into an evil spirit; I wholeheartedly disagree. Tom Fitzgerald, an imagineer, confirmed that Melanie went insane after lingering in her mansion for so long (hence her crazy proposal). It makes sense to me; if I was trapped in my own house by my dead father and never got to marry the love of my life, I'd go insane too. Overall, they could have done so much better... As for Madame Leota, I always thought that there were a few Madame Leotas, all set in different storylines (much like alternate universes). In Phantom Manor, I thought that Madame Leota was a medium for the dead so that Melanie could know whether or not her suitors' spirits were with her.
I'm so glad you did the Phantom Manor video, thank you! It's rumored, in the old story, that Madam Leota was friends with the Phantom and was invited to the Manor. I enjoy the new Phantom Manor story as well as the overall effects. I kind of wish they kept the Phantom animatronic when you left Phantom Canyon because it was creepier - seriously, it's the rotting corpse of the Phantom. Melanie at the end asking guests to marry her drives the being in the Manor for too long stir crazy notion that was discussed at the new Manor's reveal, but I enjoy her corpse pointing way out. It's a way she can never peacefully obtain so she shows the guests how to escape from his wrath. Also, Hell yes more Vincent Price
The only time I’ve ever been to Disneyland Paris (2018), I was SO hyped for Phantom Manor, and I turned the corner, AND IT WAS CLOSED FOR FRICKIN’ RENOVATIONS
the first time I watched a phantom manor video, I had a nightmare that combined the ballroom scene, its a small world animatronics, and the enchanted tiki room fountain
They did so many thing to make it better with Phantom Manor... And yet so many small things that are actually worse than before. The new story is one of them... It's trying to add Haunted Mansion elements to an otherwise creepy and mysterious storyline involving a single missing groom. Along with some effects that have been removed and some added that don't make sense (like the two dueling shooters changing-portrait). The desperate Melanie crying out to random guests to marry her, makes her like she's is the reason of the deaths like in HM, while she would be the victim in the new story. It's just not very well thought through
Dallin, what day will you be at the Haunted Mansion 50th Celebration? I will be getting coverage of the event as well. Also, on the subject of Phantom Manor, something big that you missed is that the hanging groom in the stretching room has been removed. I don’t believe that is a canon part of the story anymore. It can be inferred though, that the “groom” for whom Melanie is waiting, is YOU, the rider of the attraction. Not only does Melanie ask for your hand at the end of the attraction with the mirror illusion, the Phantom threatens you directly with the noose above your head in the stretching room and warns that you are doomed, just like Melanie’s previous suitors. And I believe the new French narration includes a line where the Phantom flat out asks if perhaps you are his daughter’s new “intended”. Perhaps the rider is now the “vanishing groom” of which Madame Leota speaks.
I do wonder with the previous 4 boyfriends, given their more businessman-y background and thus being people Mr Ravenswood would approve of more, it's implying that Melanie killed them to try to get out of continuing to dating them. Sort of a different take on Constance Hatchaway.
Why would she need to kill them in order to not have to date them anymore? Couldn't she just... say no when they proposed to her? Besides, all of them died in such a way that it's pretty hard to imagine her having anything to do with it. I mean saw mill guy _maybe,_ but one guy rode his boat off a waterfall-- not sure how that could be anyone's fault but his own-- and what, is she supposed to have engineered a bear attack? That only leaves dynamite dude, which I guess that one could've been foul play too, but it's a pretty big stretch as there are thousands of more subtle and less indiscriminately destructive ways to kill a single person if that's what you want to do. It sounds more like Melanie was just extremely unlucky in love to me. Maybe it was even part of the Thunderbird's curse on her family that she would never be able to settle down with anyone properly.
@@elsie8757 "Couldn't she just... Say no?" It wasz a different time. I mean, I don't believe in the 'she killed them' theory, but I'm pretty sure arranged marriages were still a thing back then, particularly with wealthy people.
@@RossPitSharkHunter This was the Old West though, they didn't really do arranged marriages. A girl might've faced pressure regarding who to marry from her family and social circle, but she could still say yes or no to pretty much whoever she wanted at the end of the day.
@@elsie8757 Doesn't matter if it was the Old West, fixed/preordained/arranged marriages still existed. They were in vogue all the way until the Great Depression ended.
I do get Melany wanted one of the guest to be her husband because she is very lonely and being tormented by her strict father. But hey at least is not Constance's wedding vows that will lead not only your life will become the potential 1000 happy haunt, but it will be leave you bankrupt in your afterlife.
In the original ballroom scene, doesn’t the phantom peer through the window and laugh at Melanie? And then this new one he’s just standing next to her? This version feels a little lacking. The phantom doesn’t seem nearly as sinister and Melanie’s story is less mysterious.
YAY YAY YAY MORE EURO DISNEY VIDEOS 💕 Vincent didn't return to do the voice. He died in 1993. He originally recorded it for the park but they needed a French version too. But this refurbishment they decided to finally he Vincent's voice ✌️ Also Madame Leyota has always been a part of Phantom Manor
Cool, you uploaded this while I was actually in Disneyland Paris! Wish I’d watched it then; we went on Phantom Manor six times and I still had no idea what was going on 😂 it is an incredible ride though!
I'd love to see a movie about this ride. I Love it as much as the Haunted mansion, although they are nearly twin rides, Phantom manor is definitely the darker one. But i love both just as much.
This ride is the reason I wish I could go to Disneyland Paris. I never cared to look at the differences between California and Paris before, but when I learned of this ride, and got educated on it, I looked up the other differences too. Now I really wish I could go.
I've been waiting for this video Haha! As soon as I heard about the phantom manor re-opening, I was like " aw man, I cant wait for an offhand disney video on that!"
Hey Offhand Disney, there’s a book series I think you might enjoy, its called the Kingdom Keepers. The series about the five kids who are transported into the Disney Disney parks when they go to sleep and they end up fighting Disney Villains who are trying to take over the parks. They also end up exploring backstage stuff (like the utilidors at Magic Kingdom), riding and accidentally breaking some of the rides at night (the Small World dolls break free attack them) and they team up with some of the good Disney characters. Check it out if you want, I found the first four books on TH-cam
*enters Phantom Manor and silently waits for the opportune moment to end Melanie's torment *Melanie wanders very closely. Closer... She's close enough Me: (hastily) *YOUR DAD KILLED OFF YOUR GROOM IN THE ATTIC!!* Had to say it fast so the Phantom doesn't stop me from spilling the beans on time. Now, I'm just gonna run for my life past Thunder Mesa and y'all just deal with the possibly-numbstruck bride; toodles!!
i like to think leota can just chuck her spirit into whatever crystal ball or doll when she feels its most convenient
My guess would be that the poor, unfortunate bride-to-be resorted to asking Leota to contact the spirits to find out what happened. Since the Phantom wasn't in the spirit-world anymore she failed to recive any answers, however she left a crystalball behind for future visits...😉
Linda Andersen I agree
That sorta makes sense but remember it's her spirit stuck in the ball so he is kinda killing madem leoda
She doesn’t even need to ship herself places! She just...rolls out
(I’m sorry, can’t resist a pun)
That's sort of what I was thinking. Either that, or the first seance she did was actually in the area of Thunder Mesa (potentially be the daughter to see if she could contact her fiance). But she could sense that the Thunderbird was angered and left for Louisiana, where when she died she could go between her crystal balls because they were her mediums to channel spirits.
Ok. Hear me out,
All of us fans of yours should be called “Offhanders”.
Chad Fields you’re a genius
I agreeeee
vastly superior to cringey "army" lol
That gets an up vote from me. 👍
Chad Fields Yes, please! Let's make this official!
I like the new lore, but I prefer the ageing of Melanie in the old one. I liked the whole story about her waiting for her fiancé forever. I feel like she’s not in the new story enough
Same feelings here!
I so agree
I don't like that Melanie has other suitors in this one. It's too much like Constance Hatchaway, and Jake the Foreman being her one true love makes Melanie seem more benevolent while she looks more like the Phantom's cohort with multiple suitors getting killed.
The old lore is more subtle, based more on insinuating situations rather than explaining them in full. At the end of the new lore Melanie appears manically trying to keep you there with her as a simple last scare instead of her skeleton pointing you to the exit while she remains behind, still waiting. The old lore stuck with you long after you left the attraction. And seeing here age and cry at her boudoir always hit me right in the feels. It was done so well!
All the mansions are connected by one man. The real connected story can be summed up in two words....
*Jean Lafitte*
Jean laffite=hat box
Scuba Tuba
There are now missiles in Cuba
IF YOU GUESSED JEAN LAFITTE
@@roymartin500 Sure
Gene LaFeet?
Sound somewhere: * Marry me *
Offhand: Get the F out of here I'm on a vacation
If a disembodied voice said that to me I'd be like: Ok,
The Corpse Bride
@@LoveNeko64 Yeah, I've been single my whole life and at this point, I'd probably accept an undead abomination's hand in marriage. At least I'd get to live in a cool house, and the love making would be...interesting...to say the least. XD
*Me:* There's no way Dallin can POSSIBLY have anymore material to do haunted mansion videos
*Dallin:* Hold my Phantom Manor
There’s ALWAYS Haunted Mansion content if you know where to look 👀
@@OffhandDisney no kidding, mystic manor next....if that counts?
It’s impressive they got Vincent Price back as he’s been dead these past 25 years.
P Kenna he’s one of the happy haunts so it probably wasn’t too difficult
They just had his ghost pop in for a quick recording session
It’s Disney, they probably have the money to make a man come back to life for a day or two to record
With Disney making a live action Great Mouse Detective movie, they'll need Vincent Price's ghost back to voice Ratigan.
They had the reccording from the opening of the ride. But French complained about not understanding the English (Damn self-involved fre...)and now they brought back a combination of the 2 voices.
I just assumed that in this new lore Henry “arranged” for all Melanie’s suitors to meet gruesome ends, being a terrible possessive father and all. It makes it all the more likely that his ghost would return with murderous intent, if he was already doing these things in life.
Having ridden Phantom Manor exactly once in its original state, I can say that I kind of miss Melanie’s characterization. In the original story, even though she wasted away in the manor she still maintained some goodness and humanity, pointing us to the way out so we wouldn’t be trapped with her. In this incarnation, all the tragedies in her life piled up to the point that she truly went insane and let her darker instincts take over as a ghost. It makes for a creepy end to the ride for sure, but I just miss having one bride in the Many Haunted Mansions who wasn’t, y’know, EVIL.
Anyway, great video as always! ^_^
How would he have arranged for someone to ride a boat off a waterfall when they were the only one in it?
We still have the Tokyo version of Beating Heart.
@@elsie8757 MAgic
@@elsie8757 A hammer and some rope.
Nobody said he was ALIVE when the boat went over the rope.
Whack him over the head with a hammer, tie him up in the boat, send it over.
@@elsie8757 I dunno, maybe a seance with a certain "mystic lady" and/or something along such lines of creating an evil pact that he knew would end in sacrificing not only himself and the town, but also his daughter's eternal happiness?!!!
Just a thought......
I WAS JUST WATCHING YOUR OLD VIDEOS I'm so happy you just uploaded
The phantom is obviously Jean Lafitte, everybody knows that.
Asdfghjkl you right
I like the old story line better. It's much more melancholy and lends a tragic twist to the classic story of the jilted bride. I also like the fact that in the original, you don't really know if the phantom is Melanie's father or not. The new story line just seems so... damned generic.
I like the original because Melanie was the hero trying to help you escape the Phantom's clutches. Now both of them have the same goal of trapping you in the realm of the dead.
I wonder if at least one of melanies boyfriends are/were a member of the society of explorers and adventurers (SEA)
My theory is that Rowan D. Falls, (Melanie's suitor who's the captain of the Mark Twain Riverboat) is related to Albert Falls, the SEA member who founded the Jungle Cruise.
Marc Gravatt That’s an excellent theory that, somehow, didn’t occur to me while making the video!
I was about to comment a similar thing!
ooh, interesting
SEA has a new canon member in the new soaring ride at Tokyo DisneySea.Her name is Camellia Falco.
Day one of commenting on offhand Disney’s videos until the people mover comes back
Your gonna be there forever
Disney needs to add it back
My mom said that the people mover in Disney world is boring. Im disappointed in her
@@RecklessAband0n we all are
@@thelocalwitch2405 She doesn't know how much people are suffering without the people mover
As for why the ghosts moved into the house or stayed in the town, I think it's just one more horrifying example of just how evil Henry Ravenswood is: after death, in addition to psychologically torturing his daughter, he traps all the souls of Thunder Mesa in the town and his mansion so he can lord over them in death as well, preventing them from ever resting.
Does anyone else think that the "Phantom Manor" looks too clean? Like it's gorgeous but where are all of the cobwebs?!
That's why i like the older one more, since it's more eerie and worn out (Im bad at explaining but you know what i mean)
I like the new one because it didn't really change the story and the things that were changed were quickly reverted upon fan feedback (they had replaced the waltz in the ghost ball with the music from the American version which just doesn't fit and, let's be honest, is much worse :P).
By the way, from the new story, the one thing I would like to clarify is that Melanie herself never found out what happened to any of her husband-to-be's. She's still waiting for the last one to show up at the wedding feast.
Oh and the phantom canyon was already full of dead people and only dead people before the refurbishment. They just improved the animatronics.
Madame Leotta is there to invite people into the ghost ball.
"Join now the spirits in nuptial doom...a ravishing bride...a vanishing groom".
Oh they did change the music back? SO GLAD to hear!!
@@mdragonflame Yup! On like the 2nd or 3rd day after opening. Cast members heard from a lot of patrons that they didn't like the change and EuroDisney's management listened and obliged :D
Agreed to alle except the impovment of the animatronics in Phantom canyon. I don,'t like the green faces.
@@japperboy well, they kind of have a "Beetleguise" quality about them.....🤔
5:06 wait, Rowan D. Falls? could he be related to the Dr. Albert Falls "from" Jungle Cruise? (namesake of Schweitzer Falls)
🤔
You know uhhhh.....
*DISNEY! KIDS RIDE! HAPPY!*
I finally went on the new version yesterday and while I do like some of the updates, I definitely prefer the old storyline. I hate the part where Melanie asks guests to marry her, no just no. No.
Euro Disneyland for the win
Adding: if you accept the premises of the DL Haunted Mansion and Phantom Manor, Leota wouldn't have had to go that far to get to Thunder Mesa, as it's in the American west and HM is in New Orleans. It would've been just as hard for her to get there as the WDW Mansion in New England. Or it's just a cloned room and we should really just relax, lol.
The reason why Leota is there is apparently she was a visiting psychic that was in Thunder Mesa during the Earthquake and died with everyone and her spirit helped call the ghosts into the house at the Phantom's behest/forced to.
Just to pass the information that Leota is a gypsy fortune teller who lived in the town and most likely died in the earthquake
Barnabus T. Bullion: “I founded the Big Thunder Mining Company.”
Henry Ravenswood: “Hold my beer.”
Wait, so did they get rid of Melanie’s skull mirror and her holding the candles in the hallway? I loved those because they made her a tragic, haunted Miss Havisham figure. In this new version, I worry that her role has been severely cut down so her father and her exes could shine.
Actually, in the new version there is no mention of the train conductor who wanted to marry Melanie in the original story. His hanged body above the stretching room is gone, now the Phantom is menacing directly the guests with the noose...so this led me to a theory: in this version, according to Henry each one of the visitors may potentially be Melanie's groom and so he's constantly trying to scare them or trap them inside the Manor and, at the same time, driving Melanie mad.
In fact, according to Imagineers who worked on this refurb, the four suitors have been killed by Henry himself through fake accidents based on their names (as seen in the stretching room), so this theory makes more sense.
OK, SO MY THEORY WAS RIGHT! HENRY DID KILL THE BOYFRIENDS
That’s a good point about how the train conductor‘s body isn’t there anymore.
I'm actually glad they added more to the story now. From what I remember of the old one though (From a book about the Haunted Mansion I bought at Disney like 12 years ago) the original story was like you said for the most part but from what I recall the wedding day was the same day as the earthquake and it killed basically everyone in the house except Melanie and she wandered the house looking for her groom. I may be misremembering but who knows. Either way I'm so glad you did a video on this because this story has always been so intriguing to me and with the update they did I was curious about the details of the story.
Fantastic work! And FWIW, Igantius is pronounced "Ig-nay-shuhs." Thanks for the vid!!!
Ignatius is actually an English word meaning "can be ignited easily". As in... He's likely to explode. Someone at Disney knows their old English words 😆
i'm wondering if Rowan D. Falls is connected to Albert Falls (keeping the Disney S.E.A connection alive). I guess there is no Train Conductor in the new Story and Barry Claude is the last suitor, who proposed to Melanie and wanted to mary her. But in the end, when killed and his soul gotten trapped in the manor. He wants to leave and give the ring back, so Melanie wants a new suitor, the new arrivals...
I like that
Dallin mentioned the train conductor though, he was Melanie's last suitor after Claude. Plus the "Phantom Hanging the groom in the attic" scene is still there, so that can't be Barry because he died from being mauled by a bear.
@@elsie8757 isn't it Just the Phantom starring at us? There is no hanging in the new version i think. I would love to think that the old story is part of the new, but it raises questions. In the piano scene where wedding music can be heared, you have Barry's picture. And the arm sticking out with the ring, i guess is because Barry doesn't want to be doomed and trapped in the Manor. Ge gives the wedding ring back so that he can try to move on
I'm actually really upset that Henry Ravenswood was the phantom. I think that, especially for this new ride, having him be an ominous spirit who killed each of Melanie's suitors would be better. As well as better matching the Phantom Opera story that it was based on.
Jay Marine yeah I’m totally agreed with you! I also thought that the phantom could be a soul in love for Melanie yet very manipulating by acting like her father so Melanie could be “controlled “ or scared of him even without knowing that he killed her groom
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Yeah! Cause that would be more like the book/musical.
I agree! It never made sense to me that a man who was so overprotective of his daughter in life would then do his best to make her miserable as a ghost. I mean killing her fiance so she wouldn't leave Thunder Mesa _maybe,_ but where does inviting a bunch of other spirits into the manor to taunt her with a demonic wedding reception fit into that?
@@elsie8757 Incestuous possessiveness, most likely.
@@JayMadd13 But it has always been suggested that Henry was the phantom, especially because in the old lore, just like in the new one, he was completely against Melanie marrying that guy, but couldn't do anything because he died in the earthquake along with his wife. Therefore, the phantom was his revengeful spirit coming back to kill the groom. This new storyline made it official.
i personally think that the story has always been kinda confusing at the end, but now it's more confusing overall. i just don't know
Ok so I jus wanted to say Dallin In the middle of year six (grade 5) the first video I watched of yours was your haunted mansion death theory and the was in a recommendation for one of a yesterworld entertainment video but I found your voice more cooler (No offence yesterworld) and that video made me fall in love with the haunted mansion and all of the Disney parks which opened new chapter of my life I am not kidding I have made new friends and met awesome people so I just want to say thank you now I am in year 7 (Grade 6) and still love your content and other Disney park channels but mainly yours so bye Dallin and one more time thank you
That means a lot! Thanks for sticking with me all this time! :)
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Melenie seems like a villain in the new version
I'm not very crazy about how they changed from Melanie being a tormented victim to being a demented bride.
Yeah, Melanie isn't Constance Hatchaway.
Could we just say that Melanie became demented from losing all of her lovers and being trapped in the Manor for decades? I mean, she could be someone who went from simply a tormented victim to a demented bride because of all of the torment.
@@wodahexe8400 I imagine that she went crazy because of all the torture...
The portret beside the phantom is the ship calt the flying dutchmann from pirates of the carribean 2 and 3
One of the Imagineers who worked on upgrading Phantom Manor stated that Mélanie Ravenswood's ghost had gone insane over the years.
Hello!
As I am Japanese fan of Haunted Mansion, I always love your channel.
I also a huge fan of Phantom Manor and I made some blogposts about it. (In Japanese, of course.)
I have studied about Phantom Manor and there are somethings I want to discuss with you guys.
1 I thought the Train engineer who planned to marry Mary was only in the original story...?
(I thought there are only 4 suitors, who can be seen on the stretching portraits.)
Was the Train engineer the one hunged by the Phantom, which is not changed from original story?
2 In the original Manor, There was an letter from Mary’s brother in her room.
I saw a blogpost which says the letter was kind of a inner joke.
Do you know the letter is kept after the reopening?
I mean, in the new story, Does Mary still have her brother?
3 in the original version, there was the little bride in the wine cellar, who tells us to Hurry back.
In the attraction, the bride(Mary) helps us to escape the Manor by pointing the exit.
This is so odd to tell us to hurry back after that.
I thought I read that the little bride’s voice is provided by the actress who did Leota.
So... the little bride was Leota in her wedding gown? But why?
(And I think the little bride scene was deleted after the reopening.)
Sorry for such long comment. (I am such a Phantom Manor geek!)
Thank you.
-Yes, the train engineer is the guy being hung by the Phantom. In the original story he was Melanie's only suitor, but now in the rewrite there were four others _before_ him.
-I never heard about Melanie having a brother even in the original lore, but then again I'm not a Mansion expert.
-The one who tells the guests to hurry back in Phantom Manor is Melanie, yeah. It makes more sense in the new version because she's shown to be desperate for someone-- anyone, at this point-- to finally marry her, and I think the part where her skeleton points the way out has been removed.
However, the only "little bride" I can think of is in the other Haunted Mansions and is actually not a bride at all. She's wearing a cloak of some kind, not a wedding dress with a veil. She is called Little Leota, but only because her voice was provided by Leota Tombs, who was the _face model_ for Madame Leota, not her voice. Madame Leota's voice was done be Eleanor Audley. Also, technically, "Little Leota" is not the tiny "hurry back"-lady's official name. Instead she is The Ghostess. She and Madame Leota are not the same character.
When they do the new movie I want them to go off of this story line! Its dark twisted and can be epic! Especially with the Thunderbird and Native American lore. When Disney wants to go dark they do a great job.
I love the story of this ride and how it ties in with big thunder. Also this ride is so much scarier than the other mansions
I prefer the old one, you feel more sympathetic towards the bride. In the new one they make her seem more crazy, although I’m sure to be haunted like that till you die, you would be driven crazy. In the old one, she tries to escape and saves you in the end. With that being said, they did add a lot to the ride and it’s not a bad change. Just wish they kept her being more of a sympathetic character instead of a crazy bride.
Vincent Price has been dead since 1993; so if he came back to voice this new Phantom Manor than it truly is haunted! However; it is more than likely it's the same actor who recently played Vincent Van Ghoul for 'Scooby-Doo and the Curst of the 13th Ghost', Maurice LaMarche. Or it could be old audio remastered for this ride! One of the two!
He originally recorded it for the ride but Euro Disney wanted a French version too. So they didn't use it. But they have in the refurbishment ✌️
WAIT VINCINT PRICE IS THE NARRATOR?
MISTER HORROR HIMSELF?
VINCENT VAN GHOUL?
this makes me happy
Mmmnmmmmmm YAY. You uploaded. I’m happy now. You should call your fans Offhanders lol I’m not sure if anyone else commented that but if they did, good job.
I've been waiting for this video for ages! Thank you, so much! 😁
I definitely prefer the 1st version! You forgot to mention that during the attraction we follow Mélanie for the rest of her life! (in the endless corridor she was looking for her fiancée, in front of a skull glasses she looked slightly older) The or this holds today the crypt of his suitors there was his skeleton that tell us the exit ...
Omg Thanks so much for talking about Disneyland Paris!! I live in England and love it!! And I’m going there in August!
Pssst.... Hey.... Take me with you....
I’ll take you in my suitcase... but I don’t know how security will feel.... “no sir I’m just carrying loads of bricks in a human shape” or I could say “THIS IS FBI BUSINESS WALK AWAY” I mean either could work right? 🤷🏽♀️😂😂😂❤️ love your vids Offhand!❤️keep making me smile! 💖
To be honest, I like both the original and the updated Phantom Manors. I'm maybe one of the few fans who genuinely was open to the refurbishment and the changes that were added to the ride. I liked the original because it held a mysterious story with romantic characters (i.e. Melanie and Jake, the Engineer) set in a lonely Gothic mansion. I like the updated version because it's the same story but this time we get to learn the ENTIRE story, including the Phantom's identity. A lot of people did not like the updated story because they said it "loses its mystery", which I totally understand. But honestly, I felt so satisfied when it was announced that the Phantom was Henry Ravenswood. It feels so good when you find out you were right all along. HOWEVER, I was really disappointed in the ending of the updated ride (the skeleton bride is replaced by the mirror gimmick found in the Haunted Mansion). I didn't have a problem with Melanie's spooky proposal, where she calls out to anyone who will accept her hand in marriage. A lot of fans thought she was changed into an evil spirit; I wholeheartedly disagree. Tom Fitzgerald, an imagineer, confirmed that Melanie went insane after lingering in her mansion for so long (hence her crazy proposal). It makes sense to me; if I was trapped in my own house by my dead father and never got to marry the love of my life, I'd go insane too. Overall, they could have done so much better...
As for Madame Leota, I always thought that there were a few Madame Leotas, all set in different storylines (much like alternate universes). In Phantom Manor, I thought that Madame Leota was a medium for the dead so that Melanie could know whether or not her suitors' spirits were with her.
Only the Haunted Mansions would be able to resurrect horror icon Vincent Price from death.
I think you missed part of the joke with Sawyer Bottom.
He wasn't just sawed in half, his bottom was sawed first! XD
Roses are red,
Ketchup is too.
I got a like!
Wait, why is it blue?
Roses are red
I want to die
How I gonna make it
Maybe with tie
I'm so glad you did the Phantom Manor video, thank you! It's rumored, in the old story, that Madam Leota was friends with the Phantom and was invited to the Manor. I enjoy the new Phantom Manor story as well as the overall effects. I kind of wish they kept the Phantom animatronic when you left Phantom Canyon because it was creepier - seriously, it's the rotting corpse of the Phantom. Melanie at the end asking guests to marry her drives the being in the Manor for too long stir crazy notion that was discussed at the new Manor's reveal, but I enjoy her corpse pointing way out. It's a way she can never peacefully obtain so she shows the guests how to escape from his wrath. Also, Hell yes more Vincent Price
WHY Is A Painting Of The Dutchman In Phantom Manor Tho?
I like the "screw you money" thing. That was funny, and makes me think of Seto Kaiba from Yugioh abridged.
The only time I’ve ever been to Disneyland Paris (2018), I was SO hyped for Phantom Manor, and I turned the corner, AND IT WAS CLOSED FOR FRICKIN’ RENOVATIONS
0:12 creepy, spooky, scary,
Me: SKELETONS!
Him: disturbing
Me: oops
So pleased with the new Phantom Manor, and finally confirming the Phantom's identity. Cheers, mate
the first time I watched a phantom manor video, I had a nightmare that combined the ballroom scene, its a small world animatronics, and the enchanted tiki room fountain
That’s....scary
instantly liked when i heard you say screw you money
Agreed.
Where tf did he get all these infos from
They did so many thing to make it better with Phantom Manor... And yet so many small things that are actually worse than before. The new story is one of them... It's trying to add Haunted Mansion elements to an otherwise creepy and mysterious storyline involving a single missing groom. Along with some effects that have been removed and some added that don't make sense (like the two dueling shooters changing-portrait). The desperate Melanie crying out to random guests to marry her, makes her like she's is the reason of the deaths like in HM, while she would be the victim in the new story. It's just not very well thought through
This attraction is the kind of thing that Imagineering does well: IT'S AN ORIGINAL PROPERTY THAT TIES INTO THE STORY OF THE PARK AND NOT A MOVIE!
The Original Haunted Mansion is not based off of a movie.
@@erinthompson6859 You're right, but I was speaking in terms of modern things, and this was recently refurbished and not made a tie in.
Dallin, what day will you be at the Haunted Mansion 50th Celebration? I will be getting coverage of the event as well.
Also, on the subject of Phantom Manor, something big that you missed is that the hanging groom in the stretching room has been removed. I don’t believe that is a canon part of the story anymore.
It can be inferred though, that the “groom” for whom Melanie is waiting, is YOU, the rider of the attraction.
Not only does Melanie ask for your hand at the end of the attraction with the mirror illusion, the Phantom threatens you directly with the noose above your head in the stretching room and warns that you are doomed, just like Melanie’s previous suitors. And I believe the new French narration includes a line where the Phantom flat out asks if perhaps you are his daughter’s new “intended”. Perhaps the rider is now the “vanishing groom” of which Madame Leota speaks.
I do wonder with the previous 4 boyfriends, given their more businessman-y background and thus being people Mr Ravenswood would approve of more, it's implying that Melanie killed them to try to get out of continuing to dating them.
Sort of a different take on Constance Hatchaway.
Why would she need to kill them in order to not have to date them anymore? Couldn't she just... say no when they proposed to her?
Besides, all of them died in such a way that it's pretty hard to imagine her having anything to do with it. I mean saw mill guy _maybe,_ but one guy rode his boat off a waterfall-- not sure how that could be anyone's fault but his own-- and what, is she supposed to have engineered a bear attack? That only leaves dynamite dude, which I guess that one could've been foul play too, but it's a pretty big stretch as there are thousands of more subtle and less indiscriminately destructive ways to kill a single person if that's what you want to do.
It sounds more like Melanie was just extremely unlucky in love to me. Maybe it was even part of the Thunderbird's curse on her family that she would never be able to settle down with anyone properly.
@@elsie8757 "Couldn't she just... Say no?" It wasz a different time. I mean, I don't believe in the 'she killed them' theory, but I'm pretty sure arranged marriages were still a thing back then, particularly with wealthy people.
@@RossPitSharkHunter This was the Old West though, they didn't really do arranged marriages. A girl might've faced pressure regarding who to marry from her family and social circle, but she could still say yes or no to pretty much whoever she wanted at the end of the day.
@@elsie8757 Doesn't matter if it was the Old West, fixed/preordained/arranged marriages still existed. They were in vogue all the way until the Great Depression ended.
I have waited for this video for a long time
I'd take the canyon in hell and the zombie phantom over the new incarnation. Too PG
I do get Melany wanted one of the guest to be her husband because she is very lonely and being tormented by her strict father. But hey at least is not Constance's wedding vows that will lead not only your life will become the potential 1000 happy haunt, but it will be leave you bankrupt in your afterlife.
In the original ballroom scene, doesn’t the phantom peer through the window and laugh at Melanie? And then this new one he’s just standing next to her? This version feels a little lacking. The phantom doesn’t seem nearly as sinister and Melanie’s story is less mysterious.
Actually Leota in Liberty square went on vacation to Paris...stop using Disneyland all the time its not the end all be all
YAY YAY YAY MORE EURO DISNEY VIDEOS 💕
Vincent didn't return to do the voice. He died in 1993. He originally recorded it for the park but they needed a French version too. But this refurbishment they decided to finally he Vincent's voice ✌️
Also Madame Leyota has always been a part of Phantom Manor
Poor Melanie. Great video, thanks for the update on this beautiful attraction. I hope you make it to Disneyland Paris soon!
I'm so happy that you used the proper "hanged" instead of the incorrect "hung". Good job sir!
Thank you Offhand Disney, very epic.
I prefer the old one honestly.
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Offhand Disney nah man thank you for your content and amazing videos
Cool, you uploaded this while I was actually in Disneyland Paris! Wish I’d watched it then; we went on Phantom Manor six times and I still had no idea what was going on 😂 it is an incredible ride though!
I'd love to see a movie about this ride.
I Love it as much as the Haunted mansion, although they are nearly twin rides,
Phantom manor is definitely the darker one. But i love both just as much.
Wait, so Melonie never left the house?
*Girl you need some vitamin D*
YES Halloween has come early I adore you videos on the creeper rides at Disney, as a Brit Phantom Manor is the one I’ve been do
hows it feel? my brittish friend,that france has a disneypark, and you don't?
(just play along will ya?)
Hey I recognize you from countless Doctor Who/big finish video comments. You must be a cool person
This ride is the reason I wish I could go to Disneyland Paris. I never cared to look at the differences between California and Paris before, but when I learned of this ride, and got educated on it, I looked up the other differences too. Now I really wish I could go.
I prefer the old version's finale.
I rode phantom manor for the first time a month ago. It was an amazing ride 10/10
Vincent Price returned?? ...From the dead??
Sawyer Bottom = Saw your bottom😂😂😂😂💀💀
"Was that too dark?...No that's fine, that's staying in." XD
...I like a old one of phantom manor better.
TPM: the horrors of over protective parents
Cool video as always. 😊 Thanks for sharing! ❤
Is it bad I liked the old version more?
YES. THANK YOU OFFHAND. THANK YOU
“Daddy issues: the ride”
YES darling! My fave ride at my home park!
I've been waiting for this video Haha! As soon as I heard about the phantom manor re-opening, I was like " aw man, I cant wait for an offhand disney video on that!"
07:38 we can all agree that he has style right?
I prefer the old version of the legend, but I like the new background details.
5:57 Pirates of the Caribbean?
Hey Offhand Disney, there’s a book series I think you might enjoy, its called the Kingdom Keepers. The series about the five kids who are transported into the Disney Disney parks when they go to sleep and they end up fighting Disney Villains who are trying to take over the parks. They also end up exploring backstage stuff (like the utilidors at Magic Kingdom), riding and accidentally breaking some of the rides at night (the Small World dolls break free attack them) and they team up with some of the good Disney characters. Check it out if you want, I found the first four books on TH-cam
*enters Phantom Manor and silently waits for the opportune moment to end Melanie's torment
*Melanie wanders very closely. Closer... She's close enough
Me: (hastily) *YOUR DAD KILLED OFF YOUR GROOM IN THE ATTIC!!*
Had to say it fast so the Phantom doesn't stop me from spilling the beans on time. Now, I'm just gonna run for my life past Thunder Mesa and y'all just deal with the possibly-numbstruck bride; toodles!!
I'm confused....how is there NEW dialog from Vincent Price?
There isn't, they only brought back the old dialogue from the original ride in 1992
He recorded it for the ride originally. But they wanted a French version too. So when they refurbished the ride they finally decided to use it
Rip the original ride 🌹😭🤧 I aways wanted to go on it before this happened
3:21 I’m dead😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣