When Hobbits Were Real

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    Its discoverers named it Homo floresiensis, but it’s often called “the hobbit” for its short stature and oddly proportioned feet. And it’s been at the center of a major controversy in the field ever since. Was it its own species? Or was it really just one of us? Or, could it even have descended from a whole lineage of hominins that we don’t even know about?
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  • @eons
    @eons  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1930

    We have a small update on this topic: A researcher who works at the hobbit site of Liang Bua reached out to us on social media to point out that the evidence for Homo floresiensis using fire comes from papers published before the dating of the site was revised. More recent research says that the evidence for fire in the cave comes from a time period after the hobbits were gone and suggests that modern humans were responsible. There also appears to be no evidence of burned Stegodon bones.

    • @helmaschine1885
      @helmaschine1885 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@MrTotosaurus yeah, at this point the video is spreading misinformation and should be taken down and revised.

    • @Person12216
      @Person12216 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Although I agree with the both of you, the videos are overall interesting

    • @touya_todoroki974
      @touya_todoroki974 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Imagin cloneing a human species but then someone has to voluntarily be a surget for such humans...

    • @sjappie5034
      @sjappie5034 4 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      @@helmaschine1885 I don't completely agree because remaking videos are very expensive. However, some videos can be reupload with corrected "TEXT" flashing across the screen. Not the most professional, but I would respect this much more. Otherwise, a pinned comment is kind of okay for now, until this channel gets more funding

    • @cripdyke
      @cripdyke 4 ปีที่แล้ว +193

      @@helmaschine1885 Nope. Don't take it down. Do we ban "walking with dinosaurs" because it's outdated? It is a product of its moment and the humans who made it. Science learns more and gets closer to the truth in increments over time. Science documentaries should do the same. To take down every documentary that is erroneous in any relevant detail is a form of historical erasure. Pinning a note is a great way to handle an error discovered so soon after the making of the video. If another error is revealed by research published next year, it won't even merit a note. That's how it works.

  • @Wizard4k
    @Wizard4k 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3340

    Bruh imagine being a hobbit that live on an island where you eat tiny elephants and get hunted by dragons

    • @dfk2199
      @dfk2199 4 ปีที่แล้ว +144

      Fun Fact: did you know on the island of Komodo there is no such thing as human rights there is only "animal rights"

    • @thestudentofficial5483
      @thestudentofficial5483 4 ปีที่แล้ว +81

      @@dfk2199 TF you're talking about

    • @binayadhikari3828
      @binayadhikari3828 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      I am stoned.

    • @Juan-mj3bm
      @Juan-mj3bm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Lmao

    • @AverchenkoMiroslav
      @AverchenkoMiroslav 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      That's what Bilbo Baggins hates!

  • @JoshuaFagan
    @JoshuaFagan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1994

    The "Missing Link": Fake
    Hobbits and Direwolves: Real
    You guys have taught me so much.

    • @Albert_Herring
      @Albert_Herring 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      You mean wargs*

    • @BradShreds
      @BradShreds 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Ceratosaurus Studios isn’t the warg the person who can connect and “slip into the skin” of the animal?

    • @ezramalzbender7934
      @ezramalzbender7934 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@BradShreds I think you are referring to wargs from a song of ice and fire, he is referring to wargs from the lord of the rings

    • @lukaseldenrust2637
      @lukaseldenrust2637 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      PJ yeah, and I don’t think they have a video on that... maybe Monstrum will?

    • @mrrodriguez2947
      @mrrodriguez2947 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@BradShreds in one sense yes very much indeed, but I think he was referring to Tolkien's Wargs,who some say were inspired by dire wolves....I could be completely wrong though 😂

  • @brianmessemer2973
    @brianmessemer2973 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2461

    “Dragons??? Nonsense! There hasn’t been dragons in these parts for a thousand years!” 🐉

    • @ivarbrouwer197
      @ivarbrouwer197 4 ปีที่แล้ว +122

      Brian Messemer - if you become smaller, big animals might indeed start to look like dragons...

    • @transnewt
      @transnewt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      So... Lizards look like dragons to roaches and ants?

    • @HighLordSythen
      @HighLordSythen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      @@transnewt Komo dragons look gargantuan to ants.

    • @bobkob
      @bobkob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Dinorex 109 yes,

    • @elktheindianspotteddeer1331
      @elktheindianspotteddeer1331 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      And how any animals have went missing for thousands or years in the folasle record then just showed up to say hi were still alive latter (many)

  • @brianmessemer2973
    @brianmessemer2973 4 ปีที่แล้ว +600

    “Fool of a Took.” 🧙‍♂️

    • @ivoryghost7080
      @ivoryghost7080 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      “Throw your self in next time and rid us of your stupidity “

    • @CarlosHenriqueXavierEndo
      @CarlosHenriqueXavierEndo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      A fool, but an honest fool he remains

  • @112048112048
    @112048112048 3 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    4:04 - "It's possible that the hobbits might have been hunted by the dragons" has got to be the most Tolkien thing I've ever heard in a paleontology documentary.

  • @MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI-1
    @MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI-1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2453

    “In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort.”~ J.R.R. Tolkien

    • @briggasnax8575
      @briggasnax8575 4 ปีที่แล้ว +145

      God I've never heard or read such an excellent and quotable opening to a book ever.

    • @ObligedUniform
      @ObligedUniform 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Was gonna comment that XD. Nice

    • @crashcalvin7050
      @crashcalvin7050 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Am I wrong in saying its the greatest fantasy epic of all time?

    • @rileydinkleman1022
      @rileydinkleman1022 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      CrashCalvin idk man, song of ice and fire is amazing. It has that nice mix of medieval fantasy, less high fantasy. Tolkien is a beautiful writer though.

    • @TerrariaGolem
      @TerrariaGolem 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@briggasnax8575 Read the series man. It's worth it.
      It's what inspired modern fantasy. From D&D to Skyrim & even more unique stories like Darksouls.
      JRR Tolkien is a legend.
      My other favorite legend is HP Lovecraft

  • @coolfrog8777
    @coolfrog8777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +518

    I love how we draw extinct animals all majestic and pretty, and then we just draw other humans like old drawings of gnomes.

    • @lococomrade3488
      @lococomrade3488 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Why our lil hobbit friend so close to that epic battle between two dragons and a bird-demon?

    • @chadangeles3856
      @chadangeles3856 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Whats wrong with that

    • @Secter84
      @Secter84 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      ​@@lococomrade3488 that picture bothered me so much.
      And then they kept showing it over and over again 🤦🏼‍♂️ smh
      It looked liked a miniature, naked version of "the weekend", not our long lost extinct ancestor.

    • @JubioHDX
      @JubioHDX ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@Secter84 thats what they were, we didnt even evolve FROM them, they arent a extinct ancestor, just a shorter smaller cousin. They lived at the same time as Homo Sapiens, and theyre just one of the many we lived alongside (we are truly only unique today, there were at least a dozen of human-like apes throughout time that split off from us). They were just smaller as a product of their environment. The art is never supposed to be exact anyway, theyre just artist renditions to help people who have trouble visualizing things theyve never seen before in life (over 3% of people cannot physically create a mental picture in their head, and thats alot more people than it sounds like when theres nearly 8billion of us, nearly 240 million, nearly twice the entire population of mexico) The only real difference they may have had other than scale differenced is they were probably still hairier too, except thats a weird think to try and include when we cant tell anyway. Even modern humans have the same amount of hairs as a chimpanzee to this day, it just all grows to different lengths than a modern chimp. We had alot more in common with the earlier hominins than you probably think.

    • @helldronez
      @helldronez 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@Secter84LMAOOO the weekend 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @EverythingScience
    @EverythingScience 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1033

    As a short person, I think I've found my ancestors...

    • @HN-kr1nf
      @HN-kr1nf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      even more so if you're from south-east asia

    • @gigibritannia
      @gigibritannia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@HN-kr1nf I am. Lol

    • @HN-kr1nf
      @HN-kr1nf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@gigibritannia 😂

    • @shawtyslikeamelody7595
      @shawtyslikeamelody7595 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Indo short gang rise up😔

    • @namaske2594
      @namaske2594 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      5'5" boys put your hands up

  • @cadenrolland5250
    @cadenrolland5250 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1023

    So there were hobbits, dragons, giant birds, and volcanoes? Makes Lord of the Rings look like a documentary!

    • @timetochronicle
      @timetochronicle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Tolkien actually intended the Lord of the Rings to be a fictional history of the Earth. The idea was borne out of an initial project to make an independent "English mythology". Over time, a lot of that was lost, but a lot of presentation of the Lord of the Rings was on the idea that Samwise's family "preserved" the Red Book (which compiled The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings) and that in modern day, someone translated it

    • @cdemr
      @cdemr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And it was not that long ago

    • @destree6348
      @destree6348 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This is why I feel like our imaginations aren't far from reality

    • @simpleyeteffective5863
      @simpleyeteffective5863 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Håkan Bråkan Kråkan thats why the lord of the rings was filmed in new zealand... haha

    • @howiseeit5326
      @howiseeit5326 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What do u mean like? You mean "is".

  • @danstiver9135
    @danstiver9135 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1886

    The giant Komodo dragons should be called “Smaugs”

    • @CloudsGirl7
      @CloudsGirl7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      "I am king under the mountain!"
      "No, *I* am!"
      Probably what they were arguing about in the artist's rendering...

    • @slappy8941
      @slappy8941 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Smaug had wings though; Glaurung the Golden was wingless.

    • @zekezzekekan2144
      @zekezzekekan2144 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@slappy8941 lazy too

    • @Zeithri
      @Zeithri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Looked more like a Brohug to me.

    • @lashalursmanashvili162
      @lashalursmanashvili162 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      And neanderthals should called dwarfs

  • @carlito8582
    @carlito8582 4 ปีที่แล้ว +350

    "When hobbits were real"
    Me looking at my 4"11 friend:" they still are..."

  • @greatskytrollantidrama4473
    @greatskytrollantidrama4473 4 ปีที่แล้ว +560

    "Little people of the forrest" in most histories and myths.

    • @lylachristopherson865
      @lylachristopherson865 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      You mean as an hallucination due to chemical abuse, right?? LOL. Leprechauns!!!

    • @yourstruly4817
      @yourstruly4817 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      And catchy tunes that stick in your head for over 20 years

    • @greatskytrollantidrama4473
      @greatskytrollantidrama4473 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@lylachristopherson865 these tiny folk are all over the Ancient map. From fairies and pixies, leprechauns and fae, seeli and unseeli, all over, and every single one. Is magically delicious 😉

    • @greatskytrollantidrama4473
      @greatskytrollantidrama4473 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@yourstruly4817🎵 Frosted Leprechauns are magically delicious🎵🤗

    • @zekezzekekan2144
      @zekezzekekan2144 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yeah the town I grew up instead in the woods that there was a town where 50 dwarfs lived in tiny houses. I thought they were kidding but I went there one day and it exists.
      You guys best believe I went there the next Halloween as Willow.

  • @MT-gz2tt
    @MT-gz2tt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +600

    "Experts can't figure out if it was a pathological case or a new species "
    All right then keep your secrets...

  • @thechaoticphoenixx8963
    @thechaoticphoenixx8963 4 ปีที่แล้ว +191

    Could you imagine being a three feet tall, running in the wilderness while being hunted by a 10ft long Komodo Dragon. Good lord, how did these little guys survive at all.

    • @michaelschrute2346
      @michaelschrute2346 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Hiding in small cave where the predator couldn't reach

    • @56th.
      @56th. ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They must have been expert runners

    • @flowzerr4550
      @flowzerr4550 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not for long!

    • @76rjackson
      @76rjackson ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They spent a lot of time in trees according to legend. They could run along the large lower branches and ambush prey by dropping down on them from above. Very fierce for their size, again, according to legend.

    • @pravashi_382
      @pravashi_382 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That's the thing, they didn't 💀😅

  • @Sciencerely
    @Sciencerely 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    As a human biologist and researcher, I think it's funny to think about how very different species of the familiy Hominidae might have lived together in the past. To give an example, at roughly the same time Homo erectus dispersed in different parts of asia, the so-called Gigantopithecus existed. This extinct species of the genus ape is said to be roughly 3 m (9.8 ft) high and weighing as much as 540-600 kg (1190-1320 lb). They existed to as recently as one hundred thousand years ago and might have looked similar to gorillas or orang utans (would love to make a video about them). Just imaging walking around with your tribe, discovering a 3 m ape!

    • @stanisawkaminski887
      @stanisawkaminski887 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They did a video on Gigantopithecus
      th-cam.com/video/1qW256pUdYg/w-d-xo.html

    • @OfficialDenzy
      @OfficialDenzy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      KING KONG

  • @vladimirlagos2688
    @vladimirlagos2688 4 ปีที่แล้ว +249

    I once read a really interesting idea in an article about Homo floresiensis were the author speculated that as their brain reduced in size to adapt to their small island, they apparently also lost the ability to innovate. This because their tools which span around a hundred thousand years don't seem to have ever changed. It was almost as if they were manufacturing them mechanically from memory and failing to search for ways to improve them. The hypothesis seems a little harsh (maybe their environment was stable enough or their tools versatile enough that they could afford to forego changes in design) but the thought that human intelligence could devolve to a more primitive stage under the right environmental pressures is fascinating, even if a bit heretical.

    • @CrankyPantss
      @CrankyPantss 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Vladimir Lagos The island wasn't huge, and if part of it was volcanically active, that would make their accessible area even less. I don't know if the climate of the island would have varied much when they were alive. Maybe, because they were on such a condensed space that didn't change much, the need to try to innovate to adapt just wasn't there?

    • @teergeret
      @teergeret 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      Maybe the innovation requires lots of exchange between different populations and the isolated Island was home to just very few individuals who didn't come across any other humans to exchange ideas.
      I mean, even today, the more isolated a population the more basic their tools and way of life seem to be from our point of view.
      What I'm trying to say is, if you have a group of 100 people who never meet anyone outside that group and stay at the same place, the potential for innovation is obviously much smaller than that of a similar group surrounded by other groups who live in different environments that require different adaptations and who meet occasionally.

    • @CrankyPantss
      @CrankyPantss 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Gre Gre Also, if the small isolated group was very busy just trying to survive, they wouldn’t have had the luxury of extra time to sit around the campfire pondering changes. The population might not have ever gotten big enough for that.

    • @randompheidoleminor3011
      @randompheidoleminor3011 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Like how ants and termites instinctively build nests. Neat.

    • @priscillafalzirolli3833
      @priscillafalzirolli3833 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      100,000 years seems very little time for change in such a small population. We're probably talking about no more than a few million individuals throughout this entire time. Take a million human children and see if any of them can find any way to improve or even fathom how to produce said tools.

  • @Skeloperch
    @Skeloperch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +264

    NGL, when he said "the last time a hominin with a brain THAT small was around", I thought he was going to finish it with "was when you were born".
    I hang around too many young people.

    • @mellane4608
      @mellane4608 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There are several of those running for president right now.

    • @cyberash3000
      @cyberash3000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@mellane4608 and the orange man baby himself :)

  • @OviraptorFan
    @OviraptorFan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +213

    Can you guys discuss the evolution of mollusks in general? It would be quite interesting. Like why clams became sessile

    • @momon969
      @momon969 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You made me google a word, and I learned something. Thanks!

    • @OviraptorFan
      @OviraptorFan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Momon no problem!

    • @TheTesseractor
      @TheTesseractor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I for one am very interested in the ancestor of mollusks.

    • @eddiepopcopter5902
      @eddiepopcopter5902 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I’ve been wanting a molluscs vid too

  • @nickheckman
    @nickheckman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +194

    It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no telling where you might be swept off to.

    • @susie9893
      @susie9893 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      My favorite line from that book!

    • @aspektx
      @aspektx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You might end up on an island in Southeast Asia.

  • @ladykoiwolfe
    @ladykoiwolfe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    These little cousins are probably my favorite hominids. Thank you for covering them. It's been awhile since I delved into their story and it's come a long way since then.

  • @lilmama6689
    @lilmama6689 4 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    I was so glad when this hobbit was found. It meant all the stories from my grandmother about menehune or “Hawaiian hobbits” were in fact real. I felt that way again when researchers were able to prove that the giant moai 🗿 on Rapanui walked in place. My grandmother always said they walked there baby.

    • @gpl992
      @gpl992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice!

    • @gpl992
      @gpl992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      As a Moluccan from the nearby island of AMBON I feel like a partial descendent of Homo Floriensis aka Mehehune.

    • @lilmama6689
      @lilmama6689 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@gpl992 Wow. I’m on the shorter side and have always wondered about the possibility of intermingling between the two.

    • @Eowyn3Pride
      @Eowyn3Pride 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🥰

    • @my_other_side473
      @my_other_side473 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@lilmama6689 Hawaiian ancestors the Austronesians actually came from Southeast Asia. So maybe that's where the oral story came from, and the story were brought to Hawaii by their descendants. About the Hobbit like creatures.

  • @audrey4506
    @audrey4506 4 ปีที่แล้ว +170

    I always knew lord of the rings was a scientific documentary

    • @limiv5272
      @limiv5272 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And who was the actual eye of Sauron?

    • @Friendship1nmillion
      @Friendship1nmillion 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🙄 . *WHAT ARE THE CHANCES* that someone's put a mixture of little human skulls and chimp bones together in a cave and is watching this video having a laugh? 🤔💭->😅🙈👨‍⚖

    • @ashleyludwig6281
      @ashleyludwig6281 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stories, myths and random things Smr amen to that

    • @michaelschrute2346
      @michaelschrute2346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Friendship1nmillion well you should publish a scientific article about your theory then,maybe you're right and gonna win a lot of noble prize for that

  • @aniisnotok5099
    @aniisnotok5099 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This is very interesting. In Solomon Islands, the people from one of the provinces have legends passed down from generations that when they first came to the islands where they currently live, there was a group of small hairy people who already lived there. The stories say that they fought and eventually overcame these people.
    In another province located far away, they also have stories of small hairy people that exist in their islands and possibly still do. They're known as Kakamora and they were featured in Disney's Moana.

    • @TM686K
      @TM686K 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was just about to mention this! That perhaps this race was not only endemic to Flores Island. In Kiribati where I'm from there are stories of the first people to arrive in the islands and they met a people who were "dark skinned, short, hairy and with large floppy ears" for which they clashed and intermingled at various times until they became a uniform population. Samoan, Tongan and Hawaiian mythology have stories of them too, they called them the Menehune/Meneuli who lived in caves.

    • @aniisnotok5099
      @aniisnotok5099 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TM686K woah, that's fascinating. I thought they were only in our legends in the Solomons. Perhaps they're not just legends, but actual events in history passed down through generations

    • @TM686K
      @TM686K 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@aniisnotok5099 Very much possible. It cannot be coincidental. In most Polynesian and as a whole Pacific Island mythology, there is usually a similar structure of epochs in time:
      The Age of Spirits
      The Age of Half Spirits Half Humans
      The Age of Humans
      My theory (and I do stress my theory) is that this could be a metaphorical interpretation of the Human Taiwanese/Melanesian Migration when they first came into contact with Autochthonous races in the Pacific (other hominids like hobbits and possibly giants) who they met with, eventually interbred with them until they lastly became extinct with modern day Pacific Islanders carrying remnants of them in their DNA.

  • @VidAudioJojo
    @VidAudioJojo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    8:28 Homo luzonensis was found not "on a remote island in Southeast Asia" but, in fact, on the main island of the Philippines: Luzon, the planet's 15th largest island. The dig site, however, is located in a rural area in the northeast section of the island.

    • @ra_alf9467
      @ra_alf9467 ปีที่แล้ว

      The name is literally there, "Luzon"ensis

    • @VidAudioJojo
      @VidAudioJojo ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The point was that describing Luzon as a ". . .REMOTE island in Southeast Asia" is simply wrong on many levels. For one thing, how can Luzon be described as "remote" when in the year Homo luzonensis was announced the island of Luzon already had about 50 million Facebook and internet users?

    • @JCarlosCS1221
      @JCarlosCS1221 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@VidAudioJojo Luzon is remote from a hominid's perspective: you can't get there without a boat or a ship, that may mean that hominids were seafaring way before we thought they could.

  • @john.james.110
    @john.james.110 4 ปีที่แล้ว +555

    "And it looks like there were changes in the island's climate and volcanic eruptions around 50,000 years ago, which might explain why this species disappeared."
    That's a nice way of saying "volcanoes probably killed them."

    • @reptilianskin
      @reptilianskin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +114

      John Lisowski after Frodo tossed the one ring in, the volcano erupted and killed them all. No eagles saved them.

    • @LuisAldamiz
      @LuisAldamiz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      He said 50,000 years ago, not being very specific anyhow: all the region is strongly volcanic and people usually survive those catastrophes. I strongly suspect it's a wishful thinking pretext not to face the obvious: we killed them. Those dates are roughly the dates of migration to Australia (probably before 60.000 but close enough), we didn't let any other Homo species survive anywhere, sometimes we even killed our own kin, either directly or indirectly by pushing them to extreme conditions. Even the brainy and strong Neanderthals could not resist us in the long run...

    • @r-t9266
      @r-t9266 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@LuisAldamiz We haven't exactly stopped killing our own kin.

    • @john.james.110
      @john.james.110 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@LuisAldamiz Thank you. I'll correct it now. And yeah, homo sapiens do seem to be the cause of most of our relatives dying off.

    • @user-yj4qz5lo6k
      @user-yj4qz5lo6k 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Luis Aldamiz well we actually mated with Neanderthals which is why everyone outside of Africa shares DNA with them that Africans do not

  • @thoughtfuldevil6069
    @thoughtfuldevil6069 4 ปีที่แล้ว +267

    Every time he says "LB-1" I hear "Obi Wan."
    H E L L O T H E R E

    • @zddxddyddw
      @zddxddyddw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      General Kenobi!

    • @darthgorthaur258
      @darthgorthaur258 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      "that's no elephant....it's a stegadon"

    • @yourstruly4817
      @yourstruly4817 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@zddxddyddw You are a bold one!

    • @LoLotov
      @LoLotov 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      So uncivilized.

    • @culwin
      @culwin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      A name I've not heard in a long time. A long time.

  • @robinsonray6766
    @robinsonray6766 4 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    Imagine one of these small people drifting or sailing into Australia by accident, and running into megalania!

    • @genghiskhan6809
      @genghiskhan6809 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      That's like meeting Glaurung.

    • @horse14t
      @horse14t 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That would be a cool movie!

  • @timsullivan4566
    @timsullivan4566 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    We KNEW it! The Precious told us Hobbitses are still around ...SNEAKING!

    • @susie9893
      @susie9893 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually I saw a few documentaries some years back about a small group of hikers who were, supposedly, attacked by some small humanoid primates whilst hiking thru the jungle of an Indonesian island (can't remember the name); when the 1 survivor managed to return to civilization he was charged with murder because no one believed his story and he'd been trying to prove it ever since.
      I found it, hmm, interesting, that no reference to this story was made particularly since tales of these creatures are common in local native lore and THEY certainly believe those creatures are out there.
      I'm not saying I believe it, don't really care either way, but it is interesting in the light of THIS finding I think

    • @kentgil2526
      @kentgil2526 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@susie9893 stop snorting glue

    • @az397
      @az397 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kentgil2526 be nicer

  • @fidelismitakda1138
    @fidelismitakda1138 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Much love from Indonesia. I saw the discovery of the bones as well as the early debate about it from the news. This video summarizes many studies about "The Hobbit" and makes it easier for the people in this archipelago to understand the story before our ancestors came to the place we call home.
    Thanks a million.

  • @cortd5273
    @cortd5273 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Can you please make a episode on the evolution of the Brain? From how clumps of specialized cells in prehistoric fish evolve to become our complex brain in the modern time.

  • @ObligedUniform
    @ObligedUniform 4 ปีที่แล้ว +256

    When Hobbits were real.
    Or- Concerning Hobbits.

    • @zekezzekekan2144
      @zekezzekekan2144 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well even this video is not saying hobbits where ever real.

    • @iqbalarsyah215
      @iqbalarsyah215 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      they missed the chance

    • @zekezzekekan2144
      @zekezzekekan2144 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@iqbalarsyah215 maybe they didn't have enough time?

    • @brentgreeff1115
      @brentgreeff1115 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He called them "creatures" - If they were still around Vice would be going crazy about this.

    • @animelinkup2529
      @animelinkup2529 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      *Vsauce music starts playing*

  • @cintronproductions9430
    @cintronproductions9430 4 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    Being killed by a stork would be a very embarassing death. 😂

    • @mynamehasspacesinit8687
      @mynamehasspacesinit8687 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      The very thing that brought you into this world can take you out of it as well.

    • @jr2904
      @jr2904 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@mynamehasspacesinit8687 hahahaha, same thing crossed my mind. My mom always told me, she brought me into the world and she can take me out.

    • @bri1085
      @bri1085 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Babies are actually kidnapped hobbits 🤯

    • @BaronSaturday66
      @BaronSaturday66 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      My sister was killed by a sugar glider.

    • @bri1085
      @bri1085 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BaronSaturday66 are you serious?

  • @dickyadhadyanto4986
    @dickyadhadyanto4986 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    damn them hobbits ate dragons

    • @darthgorthaur258
      @darthgorthaur258 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Brings a very different view of Bilbo first meeting smaug doesn't it lol.

    • @hpdutra
      @hpdutra 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is roasting necessary when eating a dragon. I imagine they are naturally well done

    • @r3zaful
      @r3zaful 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rare steak dragon

    • @ashleyludwig6281
      @ashleyludwig6281 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dicky Adhadyanto rip Smaug

    • @Eowyn3Pride
      @Eowyn3Pride 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What we need is a few good taters!😉🤣🤣🧙‍♂️

  • @Juniorb38
    @Juniorb38 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    There was a smaller species found this year in the Philippines which has been named Homo Luzonensis. The sapien “evolutionary bush” is fascinating
    Edit: Just saw that part of the video. This channel is amazing and covers many points of Human Evolution that others miss. Great Work guys!

  • @saaulooo
    @saaulooo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    After that i will eat my second breakfast.

    • @jade410
      @jade410 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Mingo Dupal hmm don’t forget elevenses

    • @Albert_Herring
      @Albert_Herring 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      knock knock*
      "Dwalin, at you service."

  • @hollyodii5969
    @hollyodii5969 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This episode could easily be a couple hours longer! Completely fascinating!

  • @for.tax.reasons
    @for.tax.reasons 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    1:53 I love that they use the squid as a transition complete with dramatic whoosh

  • @dustyprater7884
    @dustyprater7884 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    An island near the Equator, "the Middle of the Earth" with Hobbits and Dragons (Komodo Dragons). I'm just saying where are the elves and dwarves? Keep up the good work PBS Eons!!!😁

    • @miguelmontenegro3520
      @miguelmontenegro3520 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      There are mountains inside the Amazon and ruins too... Im not saing It is mirkwood, but It is mirkwood

    • @samsunguser3148
      @samsunguser3148 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I think the race of Elves and Dwarves failed. The Elves went to the Havens to the Undying Lands and the Dwarves mined very deep and kept to themselves. oof?

    • @miguelmontenegro3520
      @miguelmontenegro3520 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@samsunguser3148 The elven race isnt made to be a middle Earth dweler. They stayed for so long because they were the noblest of the races there. But! in the next realm they were the lowest of Peoples. Like the middle men in ME.

    • @samsunguser3148
      @samsunguser3148 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@miguelmontenegro3520 ye

    • @LoLotov
      @LoLotov 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Homo erectus: tall, graceful, firstborn of the truly human
      Homo neanderthalensis: short, stocky, underground dwelling craftsmen
      Found em!

  • @Rob-xf4tv
    @Rob-xf4tv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'm obsessed with any episode in PBS Eons about human evolutionary progress. Thank you so much for this episode :D

  • @LuxinNocte
    @LuxinNocte 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    1:54 "an unexpected discovery" I see what you did there

  • @danielsinger6032
    @danielsinger6032 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In my opinion among the best content on TH-cam. Fascinating. Keep up the great work!

  • @blight1934
    @blight1934 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    YES finally ! we got a hobbit episode!

  • @phaedrus000
    @phaedrus000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    3:36 OK that dude doesn't look nearly scared enough considering what's chasing him.

    • @BonaparteBardithion
      @BonaparteBardithion 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Because he knows what's waiting for the bird when he gets to safety. He's the bait.

    • @darthgorthaur258
      @darthgorthaur258 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I think I'd just be praying the dragons didn't notice me an kept fighting each other instead tbh...

  • @Beryllahawk
    @Beryllahawk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really like the image used of the "hobbit" running away from the scary bird. His expression is so sassy!

  • @shinygamer3424
    @shinygamer3424 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    1:41
    Yep. That's me. You may be wondering how I got into this situation.

    • @buraksimsek7264
      @buraksimsek7264 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hahahahaaaaa hunting after shiny gligars? lol

  • @Subfightr
    @Subfightr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So much info crammed in such a short graffic video. Wonderful job PBS team

  • @AnarKhaos
    @AnarKhaos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    so glad you finally covered this.

  • @dale9270
    @dale9270 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I saw a new vid from pbs eons, I like first before I watch because I'm sure I'm going to like it and replay it many times.

  • @danukil7703
    @danukil7703 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    A new Eons video! Thank you for always making such interesting and thought-provoking videos :)
    Do you think you will ever do a video on the lions of Europe (ex. cave lions)?

  • @sentientdumpstersludge
    @sentientdumpstersludge 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    FINALLY! I watched a documentary about them ages ago and never forgot. Was waiting for this video.

  • @fartoocritical9409
    @fartoocritical9409 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yes! Thank you for uploading this video! I can't believe the hobbits were covered on this channel! I'm not much of an archaeologist but i do find research on h. floresensis and h. neaderthalis to be fascinating! The mere thought that other species of "humans" were once walking the planet is crazy to me. Great video! Now if a video on the scimitar cats (genus homotherium) could get uploaded, my wishlist for this channel would be complete. The scimitar cats are so under-appreciated.

  • @guilmon182
    @guilmon182 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    "Alright, then. Keep your secrets."

    • @Liz-sc3np
      @Liz-sc3np 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      guilmon182 I didn’t want to know your secrets anyways so whatever

  • @KyleBlues1
    @KyleBlues1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    God I love pbs eons.

  • @smoothvirus
    @smoothvirus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Makes me wonder a bit about the reports of the "Orang Pendek" on the nearby island of Sumatra.

  • @andrewmazza5184
    @andrewmazza5184 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great Episode! Now some suggestions for future episodes
    -Titanoboa
    -Australian Megafauna
    -Diprotodon
    -marsupial Lion
    -Giant Kangaroos
    -Megalania
    *tbh I feel each of these could and deserve to get their own separate episodes
    -Domestication of Dogs? (“How Dogs became mans best friend”)

  • @LEDewey_MD
    @LEDewey_MD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Fascinating, and great presentation!

  • @THLott
    @THLott 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you guys from PBS EONS for bringing all these amazing discoveries to us. I'm currently working on a project (a novel) in which sapiens, floresiensis, neanderthals and denisovans live together...in present times... let's see how it goes.

    • @jtktomb8598
      @jtktomb8598 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      cool idea

    • @THLott
      @THLott 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jtktomb8598 thx!

    • @taricanarain8453
      @taricanarain8453 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Sapiens probably enslaved the other hominins.

  • @Al-px9un
    @Al-px9un 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So much to learn! Thank you for this amazing channel.

  • @cmoser22
    @cmoser22 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was a really good video. Particularly comprehensive.

  • @joaquinel
    @joaquinel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just realized when this guy finishes talking I have to catch my breath.
    Anyway, LOVE this channel, fun, instructive and AMAZING: Keep this way.

  • @johnmcnaught7453
    @johnmcnaught7453 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good stuff ! JRR Tolkien was on to something. Love this channel. Take care.

  • @mailethhurtado7375
    @mailethhurtado7375 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, I needed this information.

  • @matthewkehoe4015
    @matthewkehoe4015 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video 👍 keep the anthropology videos coming!

  • @Woodswalker96
    @Woodswalker96 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    "When hobbits were real, and lived alongside dragons in the shadows of Mount Doom".
    Also, I think, if the idea of a hominin different from erectus left Africa first holds out, that a habilis line hominin spread throughout Southern and maybe Eastern Asia, but where outcompeted by invading erectus line hominins except on a few remote islands, giving us the hobbits and their mixed bag of features.

  • @jasonmatthewoliver3810
    @jasonmatthewoliver3810 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Guys...I love your videos so much that I've clocked through all of them in the past week. You guys kick ass.
    While I'm not an expert in the field and while I know that there are limitations on how much info you can access or provide, I was wondering if you guys could enlighten us all as to why pandas are such terrible parents and how they have managed to survive this long?

  • @lonelycubicle
    @lonelycubicle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this playlist

  • @alison4316
    @alison4316 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was in my recommended. I've been on a news binge lately... Thanks, YT algorithm.... You knew my psyche needed a break 👍🏼

  • @RichardRenes
    @RichardRenes 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fossilization is a rare process, especially in tropical jungles. We are fortunate to know as much of our ancestry already as it is. Who knows what kind of animals and plants have lived on this earth that we will never find fossils of.

  • @proviliax
    @proviliax 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    1:42
    _record scratch_
    _freeze_
    *Yup, that's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation.*

    • @az397
      @az397 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      did click, wasn't deceived. *You deserve GOLD*

  • @jackgeiger3805
    @jackgeiger3805 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I absolutely love your jokes! "The Shire" cracked me up!

  • @3xitt
    @3xitt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing as always. Keep it up!

  • @Azzarinne
    @Azzarinne 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dangit! I JUST bought some Raycon earbuds, and NOW there's a link to support one of my favorite channels!
    Oh well. At least I can vouch for their quality. Me likey.

  • @xx8113
    @xx8113 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As a LOTR fan, I did read loads of Tolkien books, and I somehow remember him talking about extinct hobbits hahaha.

  • @flamencoprof
    @flamencoprof 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:16 One of the authors of that paper, M. J. Morwood, was in my class at high school, Mount Albert Grammar, Auckland NZ, and I'm very proud of him. I have been following the debate since the discovery was announced. The Hominin tree is getting bushier and bushier.

  • @coggzi5865
    @coggzi5865 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the picture of the hobbit peacing out from the massive bird.

  • @brekieinarsson3833
    @brekieinarsson3833 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love your videos!!! Thanks from iceland😁

  • @G60J60F80
    @G60J60F80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    It blows my mind that so many different kinds of hominids used to exist but have now gone extinct. It would be so cool to have other species more like us around.

    • @legendarypussydestroyer6943
      @legendarypussydestroyer6943 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There will probably be some kind of next level racism. Regular racism among homo sapiens and next level racism between homo sapiens and other human species lmao

    • @SuperWeenieHutJuniors
      @SuperWeenieHutJuniors 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There would be some type of conflict to establish superiority. If there's racism within our own species, I could only imagine what tensions would be like if a different species of humans walked the earth. Genocide, most likely.

  • @karol-ys5ow
    @karol-ys5ow 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is my new favorite channel. everything is so interesting and educational. i'm by no means a science-oriented person (my things is history and english) but this is so cool!!!

  • @martinl6133
    @martinl6133 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another brilliant episode. Many thanks.

  • @JonnoPlays
    @JonnoPlays ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Imagine being on the planet at a time when multiple species of pre-human existed.

  • @daphneloose5880
    @daphneloose5880 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love how you said that the Hobbit was from The Shire!! LOL. Love The LOTR comment too.

  • @martinbondesson
    @martinbondesson 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    While watching this video (which was highly entertaining and informative as usual) I had an idea for a video I would love for you to do, and that is on human speech, or language. I feel like that would be super interesting to learn about! Keep up the good work tho!

  • @maxkatze6320
    @maxkatze6320 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool video :)
    Pls make one about ancient australian megafauna

  • @andrewrichens5733
    @andrewrichens5733 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    8:00 looks ready to say floresiensis with a hard r

  • @themoistalpaca5535
    @themoistalpaca5535 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    They moved to the Undying lands with Frodo and Bilbo.

    • @jollebee991
      @jollebee991 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mortals do not have that kind of gift. Only the one knows

  • @LuisAldamiz
    @LuisAldamiz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    About the best I've watched or read on this topic. TY.

  • @2Racky
    @2Racky 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I must say I really enjoy this channel 😊very informative i love these videos 👍🏽

  • @lyndaadams7097
    @lyndaadams7097 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Bones prove that they existed, no matter where on the tree.

  • @michaeltumey7756
    @michaeltumey7756 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Makes me think of the "menehune", little mountain people in Hawaiian folklore. They were said to be skilled crafters and engineers of sorts building fish ponds (stone enclosures to place caught fish along the banks of rivers), as well as ditches and dams. Folklore states you pay them with one freshwater shrimp (opae) each menehune. Is it folklore, or is it a seafaring hobbit of Flores...?

    • @judsonwall8615
      @judsonwall8615 ปีที่แล้ว

      Polynesians originally migrated from Southeast Asia about 4500 years ago. In the video, it was saying there was possible evidence from as recently as 15,000 years ago. Perhaps a few survived another 10,000 years and those ancient ancestral Polynesians had some run ins with these little Flores peoples in the deep woods of island Southeast Asia. Then, a few thousand years later, when those ancient Polynesian’s descendants finally made it to Hawaii, they brought the stories of their ancestors with them: of little people in the hills and the woods; of Menehune.

  • @seancahalane698
    @seancahalane698 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video. so informative but also easy to follow

  • @ritukiran
    @ritukiran 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you also make a series on the evolution of plants too - right till the angiosperms! This was fun! I really enjoyed all the series!

  • @PaladinSalt
    @PaladinSalt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    love learning more about hominins

  • @HerrGesetz
    @HerrGesetz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Brilliant video. Clearly we have a lot left to discover,, which makes the "old guard anthropologists" defending there existing hypothesis to the bitter end a bit sad.

    • @Eowyn3Pride
      @Eowyn3Pride 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just like the tower guards guarding the white tree of Gondor...😔🎖

  • @wendychavez5348
    @wendychavez5348 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A couple of years ago I found a work of fiction, titled The Prophet (I forget the author's name) that provided my first exposure to homo Florensis. I read it 3 times back to back, and have read it at least twice since then. Fascinating science, and a well written book. I'm glad to have a bit more background info now!

  • @mmmadame
    @mmmadame 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love this channel so much

  • @1800mexicano
    @1800mexicano 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Snoop Dogg, whatever
    Miley Cirus, Whatever
    EONS, awe shoot, gotta try these raycons

  • @lmoral222
    @lmoral222 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If we knew every mystery of human history (all of it) I have a lurking feeling that we would be completely blown away and have our entire perceptions on reality irreversibly altered.

    • @outlawmakaveli3969
      @outlawmakaveli3969 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know right it's like everything they tell us that's folklore and fantasy is actually real and exist.
      Just on a higher frequency and vibration.

  • @sebyylove
    @sebyylove 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fav narrator on pbs eons

  • @fbkintanar
    @fbkintanar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, it's nice to get an overview of the latest research on Southeast Asian hominins. But it looks like we are only somewhere in the middle of a wave of discovery, so please provide an update video as more results come out, including ideas about how H. luzonensis might fit in with a braided stream view of species development. I'd also love to see a video about current thinking on the origins of language in this braided stream, such as the significance of genetic research by Carina Schlebusch and others on the genetic ancestry of extant hunter-gatherer and herder populations from southern Africa, from before the Bantu expansion. Surely there is a prima facie case that full human language dates back to the most recent common ancestor of extant humans, and that the clade that gave rise to the pre-mixing population of anatomically-modern humans in southern Africa already had the capacity and practice of full language. When was that? 300-400 thousand years ago? A long time before Chomsky's proposal of a single mutation some 70,000 years ago as part of a "behavioral modernity" package. And if full language was around back then, there may be a case (and evidence I don't know about) for Neanderthals and Denisovans having at least some elements of human language. Models of what cognitive and communicative capacities and practices they had may eventually be falsifiable as new data from genes, bones and stones is discovered. So what were the cognition and (proto-)language capacities of H. floresiensis and H. luzonensis? Inquiring minds want to know.

    • @fbkintanar
      @fbkintanar 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some references:
      CM Schlebusch#, H Malmström#, T Günther, P Sjödin, A Coutinho, H Edlund, A Munters, M Vicente, M Steyn, H Soodyall, M Lombard, M Jakobsson (2017) Southern African ancient genomes estimate modern human divergence to 350,000 to 260,000 years ago. Science, 358:652-655
      Mário Vicente, Mattias Jakobsson, Peter Ebbesen, Carina M Schlebusch.
      Genetic Affinities among Southern Africa Hunter-Gatherers and the Impact of Admixing Farmer and Herder Populations
      Molecular Biology and Evolution, Volume 36, Issue 9, September 2019, Pages 1849-1861, doi.org/10.1093/molbev/msz089