What If Britain Became (And Stayed) A Republic? | Alternate History
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The English Civil War often falls to the wayside of more popular and contemporary Civil Wars in history, like the American Civil War, Russian Civil War, and Spanish Civil War, but that does not mean it is any less fascinating.
The English Civil War was fought between Royalist and Parliamentary forces from 1642 to 1651, led by King Charles I of England and Scotland on the Royalist side, and Oliver Cromwell and Parliament on the Parliamentarian side. Despite the rest of British history having been distinctly monarchical and imperial, the Parliamentarian Republicans actually won the Civil War, but failed to maintain the new republic that encompassed the whole of the British Isles, and was known as the Commonwealth.
Today in this alternate history scenario we ask what if Britain became a republic, and if it stayed a republic under the leadership of the Cromwellians, and what effect would this what if scenario have on not only the British Isles but the colonies as well. Would the Revolutionary War still occur? Would America form? Would Britain still become an empire? (Would Britain join the Central Powers in this alternate timeline???) We'll explain all of that in this alternate history scenario.
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Mr z i have a suggestion.i thought of a timeline were france spain and italy form a alliance, while britain allies if germany. Also, france dosent surrender
I want to know what all consequences will be
Also i have another ideia
What if france started ww2? In this timiline, france loses ww1 and remilitizares under facism
you're like Ubsersoy, a rightwing progressive
@@truwu8177 who
For a long time, Britain was considered the more liberal European country (especially for their rule of law, parliament and separation from both the Catholic and Protestant church) while France was considered the peak European monarchy. This all changed with the French Revolution
The French Revolution was just a mob hijacking. Britain was Much more liberal of also, e.g.: already a group of countries where Parliament was making all of the decisions and the monarchy was already pretty much ceremonial, in power. Free enterprise and capital were "Mainly" running the country from the 17th century
@@Rowlph8888 My history book says otherwise.
@@markjohnson188
no, it doesn't. world history from the perspective of different countries around the world all concur that there was a beheading of Charles I, but English Bill of Rights (1689), a ratification of Parliamentary democracy (1707), because with an already weak year king in William of Orange, scared of being beheaded and with a potentially harmful and weak powerbase in Holland, all leading to the 1st ratified and legally binding liberal society in human history and the king became marginalised, the "whig oligopoly" took over and the king had little power, by1750, the Tory party had 0 power (so couldnt damage the country future, like it has the last 15 years)
*this was also the reason that nobles on the European continent were storing most of their wealth in "Goldsmiths" of London and the big 3 centralised banks practising fractional reserve investment banking(E.g. Lloyds and Barclays and Bannk of England), the 1st ones other than a bank in Italy, which was also doing so. The difference was that "in England" there was the only country of the earth at the time, where investments and capital were safe from being hijacked unilaterally by a king, or other totally autocratic, which was the case in every other country on the earth, until the development of the USA.
*This is all documented histor, and irrefutable. Even Voltaire, when running away from backward French culture in 1726, wrote in his book "lettres sur la Anglais" and in letters to friends "I learned to think in England," "England is the land of liberty" and "England Europe had to think."
@@markjohnson188wait what does your history book say
polish Lithuanian commonwealth was the Middle Ages democracy state, because of the Sejm, which was exploited in the late Middle Ages.
What if the U.S gradually returned to isolationism in the 90’s?
What if Napoleon II lived longer?
What if Muhammad Ali’s Egypt defeated the Ottomans?
What if Frederick III ruled Germany?
What if the Ottomans Romanized?
What if Napoleon accepted the Frankfurt Proposals?
What if my dad came back?
@@Frazier16 What if Epstein actually did unalive himself? 🤔
Frederick III ruled Germany but already suffered of Cancer when coming on the throne, so the better question would be "what if Frederick III lived longer" Actually this would also change Kaiser Wilhelm II a bit as, he had issues with brits to some extend, blaming his crippled arm and his fathers death on them
The only way Muhammad Ali could have truly defeated the Ottomans, and replaced them is if Europe was distracted in another continental matter. In my timeline, I made the Belgium Revolution of 1830 become a larger affair; whereby Metternich challenges the movement alluding to the Chiffon de Carlsbad and Revolutionary France's involvement, meanwhile the Polish November Uprising fails, Russian mobilization continues and then Austrian fears of renewed French imperialism escalate into staging troops in Piedmont, Italy after the foiled conspiracies in Moderna. Then the Carlist War kicks off in Spain, a bit earlier than our timeline, which is entirely possible given Ferdinand VII's poor health. All this is perfect for a quick war in the Levenant, and if Ali plays his cards right, he can use his projected control of the Holy Land to convince Russia to back down and accept his reign in the condition Russia is named protector of Christians; remember, that was a sore issue, something which 20 years later would cause the Crimean War, so by all stretch of the imagination, is a great bargining chip, something the Ottomans wouldnt do at the time.
If Egypt toppled Ottoman Empire, there would be earlier Crimean war, as Russia wanted Bosporus and Constatinople, while Britain wanted to block any further Russian expansion, and France wanted to make some revenge for Bonaparte.
Strange to see MrZ as a real person not just as a slideshow flipping through images lmao
Somehow I expected him to have blue eyes...
The more I watch this video, the more I want to become Missus Z.
@@MemoirsofaBasketcase 🤨🤨
Who is Mr Z? The person in the video describes himself as Mr. C.
americans don’t learn enough about the english civil war. the english civil war totally changed the future of not only britain and europe, but america. hell, north south divides were already seen in america, with the Caviler south supporting the king and the puritan north acknowledging cromwell
As a Brit I learnt practically nothing about the English civil war in school. I’m just thinking about it now and it seems very weird that it was never taught
All I know about the English civil war is from extracurricular sources. If you ask me, its a crime that our main civil war (there was also the anarchy and the wars of the Roses, neither of which I was taught about in school) has barely a word mentioned in our schools, but american civil rights is a requirement for sixth form (equivalent of 12th grade if I'm not wrong about the american system).
This is weird, because t even though the king was returned, this war had the effect that such wars are supposed to, and that is That Royalties power begins to fade more into the background, as Parliamentary power exponentially increases
"Democracy, Mr. Cromwell, was a Greek drollery based on the foolish notion that there are extraordinary possibilities in very ordinary people." - King Charles I
Good quote but he was still a tyrant
@@scottanos9981 He was a dripped out tyrant tbf
I mean its accurate but the same is true of monarchs.
@@scottanos9981 Cromwell didn't kill as many Irish as people think.
Cringe quote
2:10 it’s important to also point out that Catholicism was still very strong in Northern England. The council of the North was abolished over southern fears that it was becoming too strong and too much of a catholic voice. There was an uprising in York (the historical and practical de-facto) capital of Northern England orchestrated by over 30,000 catholics.
Hell, Catholicism is still quite powerful in Northern England today, most people I know are either Catholic or went to a Catholic school.
Probably would have happened if Richard wasn’t incompetent or that the Parliamentarians actually stuck to Republicanism rather than effectively keeping the monarchy under a different name
What if the New Model army turned Britain into Prussia.
@@freddysw”While most states have an army the British army has a state”- some guy in this timeline
Would be probable if England stayed a republic
Every republic ever ends up doing that
@@EndoClaw "whilst most states have a navy, the royal navy has a state."
What if the Canadian Revolution of 1837 succeeded ?
USA: manifesting destiny time!
@@Alex-yy5woTime to deliver some freedom
America would conquer them
Lebensraum-ing time
So we just gon' ignore how handsome Mr.Z is?
I didn't. 😂
Is this a simp
mans looks like the president in monsters vs aliens (somewhat)
Thank you! I was thinking the same thing 😅
Thanks for these amazing insights, not just in what could have been, but about the nature of the civil war, too!
I have never seen Mr. C before and I always imagined him to be a much older man.
Why's he so Italian?
@@Michael-io6db He’s from Brooklyn.
@@crusader2112 ohh
@@Michael-io6db Well, you see Michael, when a mommy Italian and a daddy Italian love each other very much, and liquor is involved, the condoms come off.
@@Michael-io6db He doesn't sound even slightly like an Italian. If I had to guess I would say he is American or Canadian.
I’ve been waiting for this one.
Half an hour long Mr. Z video pog
Love the live video's keep them comming!
Your next video should be about Tecumsah’s alliance. Keep up the good work.
Glad to be watching your content again.
In this timeline, John Milton writes an Arthurian epic instead of Paradise Lost
WHAT IF THE JACOBITE REBELLIONS (especially the ‘45) WON
Thank you for the video
Do love it when channels like this talk about Cymtu.
Looking good, bro!
Thank you for this video. This has been going through my head forever from learning about the English Civil War and also studying my English my church history.
Another good "what if" would be if King Edward had lived a healthy life and Thomas Cramner had been able to live out his reformed vision of the church.
Which Edward?
Can you do video about what if Kuomintang's Northern Expedition failed?
What If the House of Stuart Never Ascended to the English Throne? What If the English had invited someone else to become the new monarch following the death of Elizabeth I to prevent the personal union with Scotland?
You do not look how i imagined🤣 like indiana jones selling face cream.love the channel
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What if Catherine Of Aragon had been able to successfully provide King Henry VIII with a son, and thus he never divorced her, and England remained Catholic?
That sounds cool.
The reign of Queen Mary I would’ve been butterflied away.
Thanks professor, I find the idea very interesting
Have you made any videos on any of Turtledove's alt-history theories? (Southern Victory, Disunited States of America, ETC) If not, Harry Turtledove has some of the best althist book series around and would love to hear your thoughts on them
You love crazy maps and the handshaking format don't you?
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Thank you, I find the English civil war so interesting and have always wondered what would have happened if the parliamentarians never lost power.
Britain would be way better
Pretty sure Dean made a video of it a while ago
@@ImperiumMagistrate as a catholic Englishman I would disagree
@@ImperiumMagistrate Is England perfect the way it is? No. But it’s damn better than it would be if the parliamentarians had kept power
@@randomhistoryfan7803 The Monarchy was still anti-Catholic, so what difference would it have made?
@@ctwarboss6913 How?
Great video, the factions and devides seems somewhat similar to those of the US in the second civil war video. Also its so cool how the outcome of these conflicts led to the very unique peoples and groups who settled the ubited states
As a Catholic, I don’t know how to feel about this timeline. It certainly doesn’t seem good for Catholics.
Cromwell and the New Model Army were strict puritans to a man
@@col4574 I know.
I guess that Catholics, especially Irish Catholics would be more unlucky than in OTL, in fact if the Commonwealth survived the Irish (and other Catholics in the British Isles) would’ve been wiped out because of how much of a genocidal Cromwell was, Britain would’ve been doomed,
if you're ever in Ireland definitely check out Kilkenny Castle, during the English Civil War the Irish national parliament met there and ran or tried to run Ireland - their biggest argument was that no one should be persecuted over their religion
Gosh I was wondering when this one would be done
Damn bro you are jacked after all
I haven’t watched your videos in a while and the was the first time I’ve seen your face and I was not expecting that.
I was just thinking about this when I saw the notification
Holy shit, I was actually working this exact concept a year ago for senior project!
*Laughs in Cromwell*
Nice face reveal. Great topic, great video!
Completely unrelated but bro is beautiful. Usually a lot of these commentary channels don’t have very attractive hosts to put it nicely.
This arc is impressive enough I am surprised I haven't heard of any books along these lines. Hapsburg southern colonies? I'm there for the capes and accents, if nothing else.
What if Italy joined the Allies during WW2?
(Not sure if this has been done before but hey, its worth a shot)
Italy sorta did join the allies in Ww2
@@joshuacarre06 kinda, they basically switched from the Axis to the Allies
@@aidanryan4301 thats why I said sorta lol
@@joshuacarre06 I know, just clarifying
@@aidanryan4301 What if instead they started the war on the Allies side then switched to Axis.
I’ve never seen Mr. Z’s face before, now I want to become Mrs. Z.
Love it that you have your cam on now. Very handsome dude.
Monsieur Z is how i imagine my 1950's friend.
I’ve been wanting a scenario where the king escapes his execution to the new word colonies, some loyalist troops and naval men as the means
This is just the plot of Code Geass
I usually just listen to these videos. I didn't realize Mr Z was so cute.
Could there be a follow up on a scenario where the Royalists win the civil war?
@edwardwindsor2516 Monsieur Z already has a video about the royalists winning the civil war, just look up “What If The Royalists Won The English Civil War? | Alternate History”
Do a video on why Europe and the world took a back seat to British and French domination after basically the defeat of the Spanish Armada To the emergence of Germany. Or just do a video explaining the power struggles of Europe that started after the crusades and culminated in the World wars.
I wasn't expecting the face
Parliamentarians: Charles I is evil for dissolving parliament and ruling as a tyrant, long live Cromwell
Cromwell: *dissolves parliament and rules as a military dictator*
Parliamentarians: … maybe we *are* the problem?
"Democracy, Mr. Cromwell, was a Greek drollery based on the foolish notion that there are extraordinary possibilities in very ordinary people." - King Charles I
Yeah. The idea that someone who didn't have a tie from a fancy rich person's school is pretty ridiculous. I can't remember which fancy schools Thomas Edison, Henry Ford and the Wright Brothers wen to. Anyone know?
@Monsieur Z can you do a video on if the jacobite uprising were successful
What if the crusade of varna succeeded
An excellent, well thought out and presented video.
On another topic, isn't it a shame that the Vandals lost to the Byzantines?
it's a shame that they even came to be
Why does he look like a character out of the riverdale show?
Dude I thought you were over 50 with that voice!
Next do what if USA was communist remake
Current affairs today shows what happens when communism infects the US.
Are you gonna continue on the Scar Nicholas and Priest Stalin series?
Tomorrow
This is an amazing supposition and change of history. To imagine that an eventual UK would have taken up earlier the later American position of religious tolerance, and more on point, the republican principle of subsidiarity, might have kept in the UK Ireland and possibly India. The UK would remain a truly world power to possibly the present.
Did not know monsieur z was this handsome
Love this scenario
This channel is my niche
Keeping a monarchy is favorable as we see more and more nations effectively shrivel up and die.
Yes but house of Windsor needs to be removes
@@stevenswinton6090 why? I don’t really know much about the Windsors
Heard anything about the Bank of Japan situation?
There is something crazy in the video. Sections have images blurred. For example the sponsored ad is purely blurred images. I don't mean a little bit blurred, but looking like bad abstract art. Audio is fine.
It does not look like the same as when there is poor Internet bandwidth. It looks more like video filtering effects.
Was wondering if it was just me
Its happened on all of his videos with his face, i think hes done it on purpose
My poor English heart is crying at the thought of a......... REPUBLIC!!!!!!!😭😭😭😭 Also as a Catholic, I can say that Cromwell did more harm to Catholics and protestants than Henry VIII did!
What if the 1848 revolutions succeeded?
(Milan, Hungary, Vienna)
What if Santa Claus became president?
Yes
Story Time (...)
Cut to the inside, where, We see legions of D.E.O. Agents in A organize line. Cut to Steve Trevor, he is A tall and physically fit man in his twenties and he is roughly the same height as Tony. He has bright blond hair and blue eyes. They are watching president 's Tony presidential address.
Tony Exum(Voice-Over): What I have to do, I will do it. Wherever the imperial eagle flies We, the people of the empire have A single overriding purpose-"Guard the balance, Guard the Empire."
What if George Lincoln Rockwell wasnt assasinated and his party didnt splinter
What if the Whiskey Rebellion had succeeded....and then got really out of hand.
Too bad there wasn't a Crusade against Henry Tudor.
Calling parlimentary rule a "Republic" is a bit misleading. Sure, it technically was by the definition that it was not ruled by a monarch, but it implies that members of the public were more involved in political life than any real person would be. Rather, it was swapping a king for a king-in-all-but-name.
I can answer this easily, as Dr Who answered it in a alternate universe where the UK had a President - basically we end up creating the Cybermen
Lore of What If Britain Became momentum 100
The Dark Timeline
FeelsGoodman
Patric Bateman routine for the win
As long as they keep the Union Jack. As an American, I think UJ is the most beautiful flag. The thumbnail scared me 😅
They used the Union Jack after 1658 although it included the Celtic Harp as well
It doesn't have Wales in it. Imagine the American flag having just 38 stars when there are 50 states.
@@Austin_Schulz Wales was considered a part of England for centuries by that point, it also would make the flag look horrible trying to include Wales.
@@Austin_Schulz The US flag should have stuck with 13 stars tbf, that was their best looking flag
@@WrenchedAdvice I think the symbolism of that would have made other civil wars more likely. Or at least attempted secessions.
Are you sure that the Norman descended population in England sided with the parliamentarians and not with the monarchy? I’m just curious what your source is on that. In Colin Woodard’s American Nations book, he actually says that parliamentarians were more likely to see themselves as being descended from the anglo-Saxon peoples who were INVADED by the Normans in 1066, while monarchists were more likely to see themselves as descended from these Norman invaders. Likewise, southern elites in the colonies who would have favored the monarchists also saw themselves as part of this ancestral Norman population and would have seen the puritans of New England as a different people entirely.
I am a monarchist myself from the U.S south. Personally I know I have Celtic, Anglo-Saxon and Norman blood. I'm pretty sure everyone of English descent probably has all 3 descent.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 From England, yeah you're correct.
Hello Macbeth long time no see
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 A very long time indeed! 😂👍
What if Aterui conquered and consolidated power over Tohoku.
As someone of Irish descent I know full well that Cromwell was an (expletive). But in highlighting this fact, far too often Charles I's sins are overlooked, that he opened the door for Cromwell not least. So thank you for covering that.
As someone of Irish descent too I fully support Cromwell and also am unlike others (expletive) prepared to forgive & forget. If you’re really Irish you’d know how badly Protestants were treated
@RealArcalian @Shooter Blaze
You idiots don’t know how badly Catholics were treated during the Cromwell era.
@@emilepigeau4344 I said from the start I knew he was garbage, did you miss that part?
@RealArcalian If Charles I won the English Civil War the Irish would’ve been treated better than in our timeline.
@@emilepigeau4344 ....once again, that was part of my original point. Why are you mad at someone who agrees with you?
When I visted Britain I got to see Cromwell’s grave. He was very based.
what if the normans lost the battle of 1066 and the Heptarcy maintained. The incredible un-corupted polictal system, of the traveling Witan.
This could be interesting.
Wow
I thought this dude was a neckbeard behind the mic.
turns out there was actually a good-looking person with a good voice.
Where Can I buy a dixiestan flag ?
We lost the game to France.... time to walk to Paris lads!
What if a third balkan war broke out before ww1?
What if al the Nederlands became independent in the 80 years War
Has the Third Conditional now completely vanished in the United States?!
I clicked on this expecting to watch a video about what would happen if Britain became a Republic. Instead, it turned out to be a video about what would have happened in Britain had become a republic.
You see, the third conditional can be quite useful!
Oliver Basedwell
3:47 did you make a deepfake of your voice?
What if the Nederlands Reqonquerd the zoudtern Nederlands in the 80 years war
What if Willem of orange survived his Assassination
NEVER!!!!!!!
What if the Safavids win the struggle against the Ottomans. I find this one really interesting, cause they were bith rapidly rising powers in the Islamic middle east. However the Ottomans win the war over the Safavids and the Persians never regained lasting control of Iraq and eastern Anatolia