Alexis LEBRUN / Félix LEBRUN vs FAN Zhendong / WANG Chuqin | R16 | Durban 2023
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- Retrouvez la fin du match entre Alexis LEBRUN / Félix LEBRUN et FAN Zhendong / WANG Chuqin aux championnats du Monde 2023.
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I would like to praise the two young French brothers who have achieved the remarkable feat with the top two positions in the world rankings. It is truly impressive.
However, if these two brothers further enhance their mental and athletic abilities to become even more professional athletes, it would be absolutely fantastic.
They got all they need to do so
Considering they are not even adults yet, I'd say it's in the bag
I think this 2 brothers will represent french table tennis for a long time. they have all it takes to be great in french table tennis era.
This comment reminds me of gpt
I think this 2 brothers will be the face of french table tennis for the next coming years.
it's already since some years
ils grimpent à la vitesse de l'éclair ! leur progression est impressionnante
What a great game! Only Alexis le Brun was a little embarrassed towards the end, who complained about a hidden serve of Chuqin (it was completely fair) because he would have loved to win. There is a yellow card for knocking the ball away like he did - normally.
He is also rightfully complaining because the serve is hidden AND because he throws the ball towards him. The throw should be vertical but he launchs the ball from the center of the table and touch it at the edge of the table.
@@Gryffins90 Like i already said, the serve was 100% ok. If Someone is throwing a ball, let us know the timecode please. Maybe u watched another game?
@@zeitenwechsel7898 the ball throw before the serve is not vertical at all 27:28 (if you really want a timecode), also if you slow down the video you clearly see that he hits the ball preemptively (which is something you don't normally do), if you manage to stop at the frame where the ball is touching the racket it becomes totally obvious Chuqin completely hides the ball.
This is clearly a practiced (yet illegal) serve used to trick the opponent by hiding the ball and changing the timing.
@@zeitenwechsel7898 27:28 obviously
From you tube view angle, the serve is ok. The empire could see well that the serve is ok or not because the player is left handed one for having clear view from empire.
Fan Zhendong shoult after the Lebrun brother hit the ball, so Fan didn't affect the final result. The French commentator was totally wrong about that.
absolutely agree with you
Not so sure since the vocal cords of the Chinese emitting one particular vibration can impact the ball trajectory and also disturb the French team for the rest of the game.
It doesn't mater, you cant speak or scream until the point is finished. Fan did wrong that's all. GG anyway
Очень близко. Отличная игра!
Ils ont déjà le niveau, maintenant il leur faut du mental et ça ça vient qu'avec l'expérience.
bravo les frangins
N1 et N2 chinois (donc mondiaux lol) vs N1 et N2 français. Quel match !
Pas envie d’être de mauvaise foi mais Fan Zhendong a crié après que Alexis ait touché la balle contrairement a ce que disent les commentateurs si vous regardez la vidéo au ralenti, après bien évidemment que ce n'est pas cool mais d'un point de vue scientifique et rationnel son cri n'a eu aucun effet sur le résultat puisque il a crié après que Alexis ait touché la balle.
Ouais tu as raison mais c'est la règle. Aurait-elle réagi de la même façon dans la situation inverse ?
@@flofloism Après elle n'a pas non plus sanctionné quand Alexis a envoyé la balle se balader loin avec sa raquette après le point, je ne pense pas qu'il y ait de traitement de faveur
@@deepgotft2741 Possible c'était juste une hypothèse
Oui mais dans le doute tu remets le point. Les échanges vont très vite,, tant que la balle ne touche pas le sol, aucune raison de s'exclamer. Cela peut déranger l'adversaire. Donc , au delà des règles tu remets le point par souci de fair-play. Je peux aussi t'assurer que le point n'aurait pas été remis si FZG avait crié avant qu'Alexis touche la balle.
C'est un sport qui a des règles, si personne ne les respectait imagine le foutoir que ça serait.
FZD shouted when the ball almost dropped before the net. It didn't affect on Lebrun and final result. Lebrun just try to earn a point without sportmanship.
Just the frustration, he is young but well educated. Not like he was trash talking or doing sneaky plays during the match. They just need some time and they will be back stronger
The young French boys need to learn a bit of sportsmenship...
Ils vont nous faire des merveilles ces deux là. Arbitrage litigieux à deux reprises.
Это очень круто. Лайк.
Ils promettent les deux
C'est bien les jeunes.
27:29 hand was removed just like every professional serve currently.
How do you see hand is not over the ball as viewed from the french side, since from the camera angle we don't see the hand at all ?
@@thefallenarm589 If u read the ittf handbook every rule is from the umpire's point of view and not the french.
@@ZetaTango83 What you say makes no sense, if that was the case then you wouldn't have to remove your hand because the umpire is on the side and would still see the ball. Also the hand clearly isn't the only thing that can cover the body
Also, don't tell me the ball throw for that serve was vertical as required in the ittf handbook. Now if you take the time to find the frame where the ball touches the racket, you will see that Chuqin hits the ball very high where it's hidden behind his torso/neck and touches it preemptively to throw off the timing of the serve.
Nothing wrong with Fan and Wang. The brothers wanted to win very badly. The impulsive LeBrun brothers did not show sportsmanship in the deciding game.
Are u lost?
Fan and Wang are wrong for their cho during the rally and illegal serve. Lebrun brother should be the winner.
A lot of curious comments hereunder, perhaps some people surprised of the level of young men, but we should hear in the future especially about this Felix 16yo.
2 futurs grands champions
Le dernier set, entre le cri pendant le point et le service caché...
Pleureur ...
@@thabom9791soucis cognitif ❓
@@thabom9791 Victime ...
@@thabom9791 C’est français, comme d’hab 😂
Le cri intervient bien après le coup d'Alexis
Trop chaud les chinois
Wow🎉
Nice ref 👌 mistake a this level.. not possible.!
When you're sixteen and coming trough ruthless
Those two young french have a lot of room to improve. But they need to learn sportsman ship,attitude, manner,behaviour first whether they like it or not.WCQ was banned for 6 months for his behaviour after he lost the match.
Lol, those two chinese pausing the game, disturbing the one who's serving all game long and they didn't complain about it, but ye they have to learn sportsmanship ;)
Fan zhendong isn’t the umpire, 6/4 in the fifth umpire fan zhendong starts his gamesmanship catching the ball.
Chine population 1,5 milliard, France 68 millions..., on a des talents en France!
Ils régalent les Lebruns putin!
L'arbitre en mode complétement perdue genre j'ai rien vu continuez
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Vous avez raison, il n'a pas fini sa sieste.
No se atrevió a cobrar 2 puntos a China el que celebró dentro de el punto y cuando escondió la pelota pesa mucho la escuadra china
That serve at 2-2 9-7 looked legal to my eyes
yeah its controversy, cause maybe at alexis´s eyes the right soulder and arm of chuqin covers the vision to lebrun
I thought in South Africa they would have enough space (around the table) to organize this tournament?
why he like to throw the ball..and change the new one..😂😂
Was that their coach trying to shout at the umpire after the game had concluded? Honestly embarrassing. No wonder the brothers show little sportsmanship or restraint if that's how their coach behaves.
подвели нервы в конце
le commentateur est trop fan des lebrun c alexis le trashtalkeur
hi, newbie here.
can anyone explain to me if really what felix and lebrun complained about is a legit issue that happened and shouldnt happen in the game?
are they really complaining a lot during matches, as some of the comments in this video claim?
is it really grotesque that the coach went and was upset with the referee?
also, their chants of "cho" and "chole" or anything else that somethimes just sounds like noise, are they legit words?
thanks in advance :)
no
Its strange to read the things that are suggesting that Lebrun brothers are right regarding the issues they made. The chinees were not mistaken. A like to add that Lebrun didn't give Fan time to prepare for the receive. Such a childish act.
of course they were right, stop cry.
@@Klara906090 Well, they were crying. Fan saw the traject of the Ball hitting the net even before the ball hit the net! It's the differnce in quality and understanding
@@Nabu994 if you rewatch he almost preshouted so it wasn't about reading where the ball would go
Fan saw the ball going to the net. Its part of there training. Lebrun played the ball then Fan went to celebrate! Even some amateur player can see the ball going to the net early
27:32 what lebrun pointing at, why clapping ??
28:58 what mr french talkin about
european players must improve 2 skills in order to be qualified to compete with top chinese players :
1/ topspin playing style with high latency reflex time rubber :
Apply topspin oriented playing style to INCREASE ACCURACY OF STROKES. In the past time, topspin playing style had target to create difficult balls to oponent. But nowaday topspin playing style also have main target to increase accuracy, so that players can make more speedy strokes with high accuracy. If you just hit balls quickly and speedy, but with low accuracy, then there is no reason to make you become better than opponent. Fan Zengdongs inherites advantages of topspin playing style from the pasttime chinese legend supper trio Wang Liquin - Ma Lin - Wang Hao. Thus Fan Zengdongs can often make incredible extremely strongly speedy balls from both backhand and forhand. The reason is not that Fan Zengdongs has stronger physical strength than other top european players. The reason is that Fan Zengdongs inherites advantage of topspin style, thus he has more accuracy, so that he can confidently increase speed and strength in his strokes while still keep high accuracy.
High latency reflex time rubbers helps to increase accuracy : no matter whether your rubbers are soft or hard, but they must slowly return from deformed form to original form. Many chinese rubbers are suitable high latency reflex time rubbers for forhand. Al european rubbers and japanese rubbers are not high latency reflex time rubbers, they can be very soft rubbers (deform deeply even by weak forces) but they all immediately fastly return to their original form. High latency reflex time rubbers require more phisical strength, but they help players to easily increase accuracy.
2/ Try make strokes when in steady and low poses.
The more you stay in steady poses, the more you make accurate and strong strokes. Chinese top players are excelent to keep steady poses when they make strokes in rallies. European players are not good in staying in steady pose when make strokes. It is visually obvious in all matches of european players vs top chinese top players.
Low poses in table tennis mean that elbow of your playing hand should not be higher than the net. Low poses allow you to have more time to move your hand to wait to balls and to approach balls, extremely usefully in speedy rallies, thus it increases effectiveness and accuracy (because have more time for prepare in any strokes). If you stay in high poses, then you lose more time to move your hand downward to make strokes in any strokes, thus you have less time and less accuracy.
European players, even top european players often do this error : they stay in high poses in rallies, or they stay in low poses in some balls but they forget and become stay in high pose in next balls in rallies. Maybe, because european players are often tall, so they are lazy to stay in low poses, thus they lose accuracy and time in all strokes.
3/ The ITTF must set new standard balls to weight of 2gr - 2.5gr, instead of today current balls of weight 2.7gr. No matter of whether new balls are bigger sized or smaller sized. The important criteria is that ball weight must be lightweight, so that they fly more slowly in air by impact of air resistance. Table tennis becomes to lose entertaining feature and visual effect, because heavyweight balls fly too fast, thus spectators watch only counters and reaction, without techniques and long rallies.
Japanese balls, for example Nittaku balls, have weight 2.7+ gr, why other chinese balls have weight 2.7- gr. It is visually obvious : high class matches of japanese heavyweight balls 2.7+gr are often bored with short rallies but with only reaction of hits, while high class matches of chinese lightweight balls 2.7- gr are often more entertaining with long rallies and techniques shows.
There are no complains about the quality of japanese balls, but It is worth to worldwide boycout japanese heavyweight balls just because their ball weight is often heavyweight 2.7+ gr, for example need to boycout Nittaku balls of 2.7+gr .
Great comment thank you
No one’s reading all that.
Tôi đã đọc hết và khá hiểu những gì bạn nói! Thanks...
Why so many english here in this comment section?
so everbody can understand
@@MyWeeazer c'est bon j'ai capté
@@ImElktr1x mdrrrr
It's official Lingua on internet. Also ist superior to francaise
Les chinois ils doivent se dire "mais ils se ressemblent tous les blancs!".
Blague à part, bravo aux Lebrun, là ils ont perdu mais ils ont un potentiel monstre!
"ils ont tous le même nom les blancs"
They are professionals and should not be affected by any sounds made by their opponents during play. Otherwise Ovcharov and Hari should be penalized first foremost.
Non way...These are some rules. And if you're a player of TT, you know that it's very distrubing...they should be penalized.
It makes no sense, I could similarly say that "they are professionals and should not be affected by the opponents throwing stuff at them during the match"
May be in France.But not in international arena.Have you seen that kind of behaviour in Sweden team when they beat team China? Harimoto screams only after he wins the point. For the record,remember you are in civilized environment.
I like Harimoto shout..
Фан начал вести себя как девочка, не ожидал от такого уровня!
Что он сделал?
chinese peoples always having symmetry when going down !!
what happen 20:43
Sisipal nuen bakinr gueen niqgh. Iphare dtiun khu wiit.
Now Europe striving to catch Asia in TT. It wl take another 100 generations to match with China Japan Korea in this game.
Arbitre 😂 bien sur chinois normalement c'est rejouer le point
le type qui essuie la bave & la sueur sur la table n"est pas super soigneux..il en reste..!!
felix use yonex shoes? 😳
Why don't they make this table wider for 2vs2 games?
Limite au niveau comportement Alexis
Fan Zhendong is screaming during the point at the decider set. Normaly Lebrun's brother must receive this point ! What a arbitrage mistake at this level. We are at world champioship tournament, this kind of arbitrary mistake can't be allowed. Morever, wang chuqin hide the ball during the serve at the end. What a robbery, really disapointed
Not a robbery, if you play the video slowly Fan Zhendong at 2-0 screams after Alexis hit the ball, so technically it could not have affected the outcome
@@deepgotft2741that's the rules
@@GonesFOREVER Yeah i know that's the rules, but the way Mitul said it involve that the ball could have been affected by the scream which is absolutely not the case actually
no, the rule is let, not point to Lebrun
@@michaelzakrzewski1080 yep, but the point should be replayed. Not the case here
He shout when the ball was about to net, wth is wrong with this lol. Thats a really pathetic attempt.
Every pro player on the world knows Lebrun brothers don't have sportsmanship. They like to start a serve really fast without waiting opponent back to position.
However, it’s only table tennis, it’s a very very little sport…
@@TofMyGlYes sure Zidane, Rinner, Manaudou, etc all those champions sure lacked fairplay. Idiot.
See the France final, they also serve fast against each other. We could also say that chinese men are long to get ready here.
It's because Chinese guys are easily exhausted, they need to rest more !
At first I thought that too but when I saw more matches I think they are just hype for action.
Wang C.Qin reserve final serve for 2 final point. I think alexis does not like that because that serve used by Wang C.Qin in 2 final match point. I think the france couple does not ready for that
The French table tennis team has the Leburn brothers on the team, and people don't like their bad attitude.

Les gens ?
@@pingspiritpingspirit4099 Many people. They are young and can learn better sportsmanship.
😊
@@yanyeetan1727 many people don't care... Many people are jealous also.
et non ils sont pas inquiets
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Ils sont pas sûrs d'eux les chinois, pour manquer de fair play à ce point! Apparemment 2 irrégularités sur le dernier set non sanctionnées, au contraire, le tricheur marque le point! Au risque de me répéter, tant qu'on n'aura pas un arbitrage niquel, on sera considéré comme des guignols. Ils l'ont fait au foot et au rugby, pourquoi pas nous?
je suis d'accord pour le service caché de wqc mais c'est très difficile à voir j'ai fait des screens il y avait un pixel de différence pour la position de la balle entre les deux services. De plus pour le cri arrêtez d'inventer des règles il n'y a pas de règles de parler= point perdu
@@stacka9736 point à refaire je crois
Les Français, comme toujours, des mauvais perdants.
je suis pas convaincu par dire que l'arbitrage est nickel au foot et au rugby, surtout comment au foot ça simule, si les joueurs le font c'est bien que l'arbitre siffle des fautes qui n'existent pas
je parlais de l'arbitrage par vidéo en cas de litige@@fourniervictor9354
Ở giải này, mỗi khi vào điểm chốt là Wang Chuquin giao bóng đục che ngay. 😅
Are you kidding ? Did you notice the Chinese always delaying the receive when the tide in not for them ?
Everybody knows it’s a fight … the youngsters put the pressure as well as the Chinese did
The kids are so fragile... they don't take losing a game so well...
Le fairplay en chine quand le match devient serré.... Dommage
ouais enfin Fan ralentit tout le temps le jeu, pas très fairplay...
he speak during the point hahahaha le point est fini quel bande de rageux mdr
Laburn bersuadara
kids vs legends
Shame in French team
Brother Leburn The Leburn brothers are very annoying, and their attitude is annoying.
Really? More annoying than chinese players who don't respect the TT rules?
Can you explain more what the French team did you don't find normal ?
For me the only ones whose fairplay you can question are the chinese team, the "hidden serve" at the end was undeniably not a valid serve because the ball throw was not vertical at all
@@fourniervictor9354 I think you are sided to French team as you only commented the ball throw from Chinese team was not vertical, as a matter of the fact is that the ball throw from French team was never vertical at all as well. 🤭😆 Furthermore, there was never a "hidden serve" by Chinese team, just playback at slowest speed and watch it yourself. The ball is always at full sight by the French player. 😂
@@fourniervictor9354 Go back and invite this pair of brothers, learn how to respect the opponent on the court, and never complain about the opponent when the score is behind. This is also one of the game planning, a shame to France.
@@fourniervictor9354 Sore loser!
兩兄弟球品不好😤
What a joke, all those Chinese fan coment
It’s not a fight of teddy bears
The youngsters put pressure on chinese as they do
The Chinese delay the receive systematically as the tide is against them
des gros tricheur
擊敗中國有機會~兄弟再加油！There is a chance to beat China Brother come on！👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
chui pas raciste mais les chinois jpeut pas, tema les tricheurs
Go home early,,France ..bye bye.
Les français ont été mauvais les chinois sont trop fort vive l’Asie !
Pas très sport dans le jeu les chinois. Limite anti sportifs
Vraiment aucun fair-play de la part des Lebrun, et leur âge n'est pas une excuse.
why do these french always shout and open their mouths, do they try to make the opponent more nervous. this is just annoying