@@pw6002 they've also done a feasibility demonstration for replacing their submersibles with cruisers, but a discarded cigarette started a fire and they lost it. 😔
After seeing the NR-1 back when I was a boy and the stealth helicopter during Operation Neptune's Spear I wouldn't be surprised if such a thing is already operational.
black project yep, blacker then black even, like project marauder and any propulsion that came from that and those bin laden black Hawks. but downside of a program being that compartmentalized is that outside members of individuals from SMUs that had made use of them before and the people running the program not even traditional tier 1 SOF are aware of them generally including devgru prior to being shipped to a hangar and shown the stealth black hawks in preparation for the bin laden raid
"In the town where I was born Lived a man who was a Seal And he told us of his life In the land of covert sea combat. We all live in a flying submarine, A flying submarine, a flying submarine. We all live in a flying submarine, A flying submarine, a flying submarine."
I knew a guy like that and they turned his teeth into radio receivers in the air force . He went crazy from it , couldn't turn it down or off . Poor old man was very nice but crazy.thats when I truly understood the evil in all things governmental or military in nature . No way I would of been drafted , I would of been Canadian or Mexican overnight . Now it's recommended to emigrate out of your he'll hole called a country.
You left out the Japanese I-400 class submarines. There were only a few made and were only used at the very end of the war. Their purpose was to blow up the locks of the Panama Canal. They had a hangar under the Conning Tower and the subs were 400 feet long,longer than a Fletcher Class Destroyer. The US captured them only after the Japanese capitulated and they were returning to Japan. They were sunk off the coast of Hawaii when the Russians demanded to inspect them. The US government had no clue they existed until they were captured.
Honestly not mentioning Japanese subs at all is a big miss. Besides the I-400 class (which were the biggest subs ever built before nuclear powered ballistic missile subs became a thing) they actually had quite a few other designs that could deploy (and retrieve) a reconnaissance seaplane to help with things like spotting targets. They were probably the biggest users of aircraft carrying submarines in the world.
@@sciteceng2hedz358 I bought the Book on the I-400 class subs about 12 years ago. These subs were unknown to the American people pretty much until this book was published in 2006. If you want to read it it’s called,I-400,Japans Secret Aircraft Carrying Submarine. Lots of photos and drawings. They were torpedoed and bombed off Barbers Pointe in Hawaii. They were found in the mid 2000’s when ROV’s found them. The only Aichi Seiran attack bomber left has been restored and is on display at the Steven Udvar Hazy Center of the Smithsonian at Dulles.
The Japanese made three unforgivable blunders (outside of starting the war in the first place) not using subs to attack US shipping, not going all out to destroy the Panama canal and being too effing timid at sea. BTW I'm Japanese American.
Admiral Nelson, in command of the nuclear powered, magnetohydrodynamically propelled SeaView submarine, had a rapidly deployable Flying Sub on board, with a blended flying wing design, way back in the mid-60's.
If you look at the deepflight submersibles like the super merlin, it reaches a depth of 120m, can travel at 6 knots and it weighs 1800kg, while carrying 2 people (2t in total) It's a bit heavy for an aircraft its size, but perfectly feasible nonetheless.
@@almerindaromeira8352 how?..... using happy thoughts?.... it has to be an airplane first.... and a sub second... not the otherway around... but tacking of from the water to return means that has to be shaped like a hydroplane to and then is the differend engines-fuel etc.... it will take a huge ''system'' for 5-6 marines
@@user-McGiver it actually doesn't need to be a plane first. You won't get far if you narrow your views. I mean, it's not hard to add some canvas or even aluminium wings to it, maybe a V-tail and a push propeller attached to a ~300hp engine from Lycoming or Continental with intake and exhaust hatches. Much like if a MQ1 predator had a child with a deepflight submersible. I've seen much more radical experimental aircraft made by civilians. I'm sure the DoD could figure this out if they wanted to. Now of course there is no operational need to go to 120m depth to deploy SEALS and the deepflight subs are positively buoyant at all times for safety reasons which would hinder the loitering aspect of the mission, but anything is doable.
I can see why it was not built. 100mph rotation speed will be very challenging to operate in waves even as small a 12". It would be a very rough ride and likely flip like a cigaret boat hitting a freak wave.
Who knows, **puts on tin foil hat ** the government might already have that tech, but again this is just a theory, believe what you wish and just as (I think it was) Someone at the Skunkworks said, "Aircraft and technology the public sees today we (the government) are at least 10 years ahead in technology" or something of the sort
I feel like you could make a VASTLY cheaper alternative if you had a stealthy sea plane with a mini submersible as its payload, and it could return and retrieve the seals and their mini sub.
A semi-submersible might be more what is possible. A stealthy mast/air intake for cruising along like those dolphin shaped seadoos. An airborne sprint mode like an ekranoplan, and an hour or two of full immersion time while on target. The design would probably rely on the wings for buoyancy/depth control while submerged and for the plaining cushion while sprinting.
that’s a most excellent idea particularly in the context of land-based radars being limited by their horizon and overhead radars limited by sea clutter.
I sat in the DARPA brief where they were soliciting bidd to develop concepts... I was skeptical... however I was approached by a creative individual who thought he had a idea.. The objective was a long flight, a shorter high speed surface dash, and a shorter submerged leg, and back
I would be curious to ask why they did not consider a hydrofoil or surface effect ship that could submerge instead. I could see them building one or two special purpose ships.
@@davewebster5120 My thought is that with ground effect or hydrofoil, you don't need the airplane part. Your not as fast as a pure airplane, but you will have an easier time lifting the submarine pressure hull out of the water to gain speed.
@@deth3021 By sonar do you mean active sonar or passive sound microphones? While I have no first hand experience, I'd imagine that trying to use active pings to track hydrofoils amongst the surface wave clutter would be difficult at best. Maybe you could use doppler shifts, but wave movement would intefere with that. Passive microphones would probably work. I still think ground effect vessels would solve most of the problems.
@kennethng8346 there are many ways to detect wakes. Give wake detecfion a Google. Satalites can do it. Airplanes can do it and ships can do it. Yes I believe that ships would use active sonar for it. Satalites/drones are perhaps the biggest issue though. As they can monitor large swaths of sea/ocean. Acrono planes actually also leave wakes AFAIK. I suspect they would also be detectable by passive sonar.... as they are creating noise so close to the water. I mean it's called ground effect for a reason. Air is much weaker at transmitting sound than water. So a plane for initial insertion and then a stealth mini sub for the last crawl actually makes a lot of sense.
I've been wanting to make one for myself for years. If you're willing to concede that it's terrible at both, it's entirely possible. With modern batteries and electric motors, it wouldn't be that difficult. Particularly if it's an open type wet sub. Fun fact, some types of airo propellers work perfectly fine in the water because of all the torque of an electric motor. I bet that a toroidal type optimized for flight could more than sufficiently serve double duty.
Likely as a demonstrator, maybe not yet in operational service due to the engineering challenges of dramatically changing media from air to ocean and back.
As an idiot on the internet, i feel qualified to suggest that they should be flying submarines, since submarine design and operations seem to be the best corellary to how spaceships can and maybe initially _should_ work. And if you wanna really go baller, have your flying submarine be able to take its pressure vessel to space also. All dem hoes love space shit. Musk drowning in it.
@@ddegn at first I was like why?? But thinking about it more, I guess that actually does make sense. Easier to make a light thing watertight than it is to take a heavy thing airborne.
The Ekranoplan seems like a feasible existing design that could be modified for below surface travel. Speed, payload size, low profile, etc. I can imagine engine changes that accommodate underwater operation, and the vehicle having a pressurized cab, and any necessary deploy needs or pods etc.
It's possible the designs are "ekranoplan" ground-effect aircraft. As those are more efficient than regular aircraft. Plus ekranoplan designs fly under radar at 3m-20m, so would be naturally stealthy.
i first started reading about the mark 8 in the 90s as a kid and ive always found the capability quite fascinating. although a bit fantastical on its face a flying submersible would be a tremendous asset in terms of versatile infil/exfil oprtions. their limited range meant they had to have what was called a dry deck shelter that they grafted onto ohio class subs. i do believe theres now subs with the capability built in, but youd have to ask the navy. a dry sub variant is gonna really strongly expand this sort of capability, and a flight enabled variant would be a huge huge asset, especially if you could add air launched weapons. a jdam type kit for small diameter bombs would be sick.
Back in my day, we’d swim seven miles in and seven miles out. Ok, I’ve never had my day lol. I’m not over confident i can swim to the other end of an Olympic pool. I Guess i never thought about how these heroes get to the shore aside from one of those fast inflatable-looking boats. Makes sense. Great video
Gliders or even ground effect craft, with submersible functionality, could be a good starting point. Remember that a submarine of this type need not be either armoured or very depth capable. For example, the fibreglass subs used by the Colombian drug runners.
Thank you for your awesome videos. Once again, if I could request a video where you speculate on a V-280 + V-247 possible replacement for the Marines Huey and Cobra replacement. Thanks!
There was a video recently that had a shiny triangle come out of the water and fly past a passenger jet. I think either CBC or cnn had the video from a passenger. I did not really pay attention on it as triangles have been coming out of the water by Brazil since at least the 1970s. There is a beach that is like the black mailbox, a place we went in the 1980s and I guess people still go there to watch for things. There is a lot of lightening on the beach.
What really comes to mind is that Navy UFO videos. Where there filming through some kind of night vision and the object is above the ocean then the guy filming calls out splash down. It's probably nothing but it is pretty crazy.
Being crammed inside one underwater for up to 72 hours as a pilot, waiting for your four team mates to return , would be torture. Plenty of time for the pre flight check though.
Navy SEALs at Virginia Beach watching “Escape From New York” followed directly by “Escape From L.A.” thinking “we gotta get these things”. At the same time, a short drive away, at Pax River Maryland, the nerdy US NavyTest Pilots and engineers are watching the same thing. But they know it’s just a live action cartoon.
No matter how bizarre concepts like this are- and there are many- I have to wonder just how utterly bananas that some of the classified stuff is😮! This is somewhere between operation Mincemeat and Space Battleship Yamato on the 'Bonkers Scale'... (I see a Dr Strangelove-esque guy saying: "Its so crazy it just might work!"... and the nutty thing is that that is a true statement, imho!)
I the 90's, through an SBRI proposal, I submitted a concept for a ground effect/hydrofoil, it didn't submerge, but it did meet all of the other requirements stated in the report.
I. REMEMBER THE TV SERIES WHERE THEY HAD A FLYING SUBMARINE SHAPED LIKE AN STING RAY, WITH ALL THE SENSORS BLENDED INSIDE THE LAYERS OF THE FUSELAGE, THE PROPULSIUON COULD BE THE EASIEST PART OF IT.
Hello @ Mr. Hollings Congratulations on your award.. we'll deserved. Could you please do an episode on evolving Chinese UCAV Capabilities.. bust some myths / bring facts around programs like WZ8. Would like to know your perspective: Combat vs ISR, new technologies, mass producibility, and tactics to employ
When I read the title of this segment on a thumbnail the first thought I had was, " i really hope so." The second thought was, " I hope it's even more outlandish than I imagine." The third thought, "type a comment about the great title."
I have designed a submarine that looks similar to a fighter jet that can "fly" underwater and breach from the water to also "fly" into the air at high velocities. The concept involves moving up to 100 mph under water at depths of less than 250 feet. Similar to a fighter jet, the sub is controlled by a similar flap and tail design that allows precise control under sea or in fresh water. The sub then can obtain these speeds to breach the surface jettisoning the ballasts and fly into the air up to 1000 feet using an air speed velocity of just under the speed of sound while carrying a full sized armed load and equipped with 20 mm cannons and torpedoes that can be fired underwater and from the air.
Back in the 80's, there was an experimental department, headed by the eggheads of the Navy and Airforce. The project weirdly enough was designated "Advanced Aerofoil Transport and Intelligence Platforms". Maybe that is really AATIP? Who knows.
Man, SEALs had to be diving experts and demolition experts. Nowadays they have to be skippers and pilots too. I hope they get a raise to match. lol 😵💫
We could fill a "Narco-Sub" with Lithium batteries and use our new (soon) C-130 "pontoon variant" to land on water and launch the fiberglass narco sub, off of the cargo ramp, while afloat (same, in reverse, for recovery) .. The sub can be flooded (but sealed) and the internal seawater could be retained and recirculated, while being heated (even the small temperature difference, between "freezing "and "merely cold", may make all the difference). Supplemental rebreather "refill cartridges" could extend the breathable air supply.
8:59 That's all good and lovely, Devil Dog, but we all know that the equipment has yet to pass the most important test for any of the Navy's SDVs: Does it not only allow, but also actively encourage, the all-important "Seal Reveal"...😂
Honestly, a Gotland class submarine has the range, stealth and can reach into the littorals or riverine environments. The only thing it can’t do is fly
i always thought an amphicar, which is a vehicle that can drive on roads, and then drive right into water and convert into boat operations, that could both fly and submerge, would be a sweet all in one vehicle.
When or will they offer an active insulated wet suit. A suit which could be semi integrated into the sleds system lessening fatigue from cold till they reach their target disconnecting doing their work and returning to it's security and warmth from the vehicles system. I can see this eventually coming to fruition when solid state batteries become common place with high energy density as it would lessen weight and increase abilities doing so. So, Alex I seem to remember a not to long ago story about a fast maneuverable mini sub that resembled a Manta Ray. I don't remember if it had a military bent, but think it may have any thoughts on it or if you know of same?
If you ask some people they already had hypersonic trans-medium capability in 2004, and were testing it around unwitting carrier strike groups and never debriefing the pilots or radar operators who encountered it.
I believe it was the USS John Marshall in 1986 when I was working on a sub tender. Multiple times I've seen their mini sub mounted on deck. Rumor was it was for Seal activities.
get real. Anything submersible has to be really thick and heavy to survive immersion in water. As such it is impossible, using present technology, to create a submersible that flies well. Conversely it is not possible to create an airframe that is light enough to fly yet can withstand being submerged without being crushed.
Does anyone remember the Soviet Ekranoplan? Some scaled-down versions might be a happy medium, using today's more efficient electric motors and super-strong composites could help with the weight and it wouldn't have to get too far out of the water in case of any number of force-down scenarios, and prep time from sub to just off the surface of the water would have to be quicker and it'd help with the radar signature being just off the deck. It'd also help as far as fuel to get it airborne. Another big plus is the bigger the craft the more efficient the lifting apparatus becomes. I just think it'd be worth a look.
A submersible ekranoplan would make more sense. They use ground effect so don't need a great deal of wing lift and can be heavier. Yes, flying but just off the surface. You can still get aircraft speed.
If you look at the stuff that was the precursor to Sea Shadow, you can see what looks like a blended wing plane turned into a submarine. As the original idea was for a stealth sub rather than a stealth ship. Nothing but some studies came from that initial idea, apparently the stealth came at the cost of a significant reduction in speed (iirc Sea Shadow was a totally separate proposal that was based on that initial one). I really cannot help but think of that within the context of this video.
They don't need a submarine aircraft. A HALO insertion and a Fulton extraction could have similar results if you're willing to jump with a disposable wet submarine... but you're probably limited to two person operations.
I always thought those "cigar" shaped ufo's could easily just be a submarine in flight mode. Either way, this would explain the reasoning behind why the US would spend billions of dollars just on one ship. It could traverse both underwater, air and space.
So aircraft don't get crushed aside from the cabin and fuel tanks if you have flexible tanks and a porous cabin that won't get crushed either, the problem is expelling all the water so you can take off and having an engine that doesn't mind getting wet
You can't tell me that the tic tac UFO's weren't flying subs lol. The seals prolly messing with people doing work ups lol. B 21 raiders are sexy. Remember at my duty station they would come every once in awhile, they would always keep them locked out of sight but benefits of working out on the flight line was seeing these more clandestine ops.
Every plane and other flying thing can become a submarine. But only once...
There are more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky
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Yeah.
And some russian tank-turrets have apparently been tested to replace their aging Soyuz space-ship… with mixed results…😅
@@pw6002 they've also done a feasibility demonstration for replacing their submersibles with cruisers, but a discarded cigarette started a fire and they lost it. 😔
The trick to flying, is to throw one’s self at the ground and miss.
After seeing the NR-1 back when I was a boy and the stealth helicopter during Operation Neptune's Spear I wouldn't be surprised if such a thing is already operational.
Black project no doubt - considering SOF were flying around in stealth Blackhawks no-one had a clue about until the bin laden raid.
It would explain the very unusual flying submarine like object I seen way back in 2009🤷🏼♂️or not
black project yep, blacker then black even, like project marauder and any propulsion that came from that and those bin laden black Hawks. but downside of a program being that compartmentalized is that outside members of individuals from SMUs that had made use of them before and the people running the program not even traditional tier 1 SOF are aware of them generally including devgru prior to being shipped to a hangar and shown the stealth black hawks in preparation for the bin laden raid
th-cam.com/video/ZE5DzUpQcyM/w-d-xo.html done & dunNn
"In the town where I was born
Lived a man who was a Seal
And he told us of his life
In the land of covert sea combat.
We all live in a flying submarine,
A flying submarine, a flying submarine.
We all live in a flying submarine,
A flying submarine, a flying submarine."
...and that guy used to get high as f***! (Uh... literally, in Admiral McRaven's flying seal-team band!)
Hahahahahah
Hahaha nice one
Wasn't sergeant pepper on board
I knew a guy like that and they turned his teeth into radio receivers in the air force . He went crazy from it , couldn't turn it down or off . Poor old man was very nice but crazy.thats when I truly understood the evil in all things governmental or military in nature . No way I would of been drafted , I would of been Canadian or Mexican overnight . Now it's recommended to emigrate out of your he'll hole called a country.
You left out the Japanese I-400 class submarines. There were only a few made and were only used at the very end of the war. Their purpose was to blow up the locks of the Panama Canal. They had a hangar under the Conning Tower and the subs were 400 feet long,longer than a Fletcher Class Destroyer. The US captured them only after the Japanese capitulated and they were returning to Japan. They were sunk off the coast of Hawaii when the Russians demanded to inspect them. The US government had no clue they existed until they were captured.
Honestly not mentioning Japanese subs at all is a big miss. Besides the I-400 class (which were the biggest subs ever built before nuclear powered ballistic missile subs became a thing) they actually had quite a few other designs that could deploy (and retrieve) a reconnaissance seaplane to help with things like spotting targets. They were probably the biggest users of aircraft carrying submarines in the world.
Glad someone caught it lol
Saw this on Mustard 👍
@@sciteceng2hedz358 I bought the Book on the I-400 class subs about 12 years ago. These subs were unknown to the American people pretty much until this book was published in 2006. If you want to read it it’s called,I-400,Japans Secret Aircraft Carrying Submarine. Lots of photos and drawings. They were torpedoed and bombed off Barbers Pointe in Hawaii. They were found in the mid 2000’s when ROV’s found them. The only Aichi Seiran attack bomber left has been restored and is on display at the Steven Udvar Hazy Center of the Smithsonian at Dulles.
The Japanese made three unforgivable blunders (outside of starting the war in the first place) not using subs to attack US shipping, not going all out to destroy the Panama canal and being too effing timid at sea. BTW I'm Japanese American.
Admiral Nelson, in command of the nuclear powered, magnetohydrodynamically propelled SeaView submarine, had a rapidly deployable Flying Sub on board, with a blended flying wing design, way back in the mid-60's.
Yea that was a bar of soap on the shower floor. DOD never thought people with eyes to see could tell the smoke from the fire.
Kawalski used to fly/dive the flying sub.
Ya beat me to it !
My brother and I loved that show
Did Sea Quest (1990's) have one too?
Fast becoming one of my favourite YT channels, merely as an aviation enthusiast. Your content is excellent Alex!
but isnt this a program called "air power" that he just used as his content?
Who remembers the old Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea flying sub?
I was thinking the same thing. Irwin Allen solved this almost 60 years ago! 😂
If you look at the deepflight submersibles like the super merlin, it reaches a depth of 120m, can travel at 6 knots and it weighs 1800kg, while carrying 2 people (2t in total)
It's a bit heavy for an aircraft its size, but perfectly feasible nonetheless.
it can't really fly....
@@user-McGiver i meant if it were to be made flyable
@@almerindaromeira8352 how?..... using happy thoughts?.... it has to be an airplane first.... and a sub second... not the otherway around... but tacking of from the water to return means that has to be shaped like a hydroplane to and then is the differend engines-fuel etc.... it will take a huge ''system'' for 5-6 marines
@@user-McGiver it actually doesn't need to be a plane first. You won't get far if you narrow your views.
I mean, it's not hard to add some canvas or even aluminium wings to it, maybe a V-tail and a push propeller attached to a ~300hp engine from Lycoming or Continental with intake and exhaust hatches.
Much like if a MQ1 predator had a child with a deepflight submersible.
I've seen much more radical experimental aircraft made by civilians. I'm sure the DoD could figure this out if they wanted to. Now of course there is no operational need to go to 120m depth to deploy SEALS and the deepflight subs are positively buoyant at all times for safety reasons which would hinder the loitering aspect of the mission, but anything is doable.
@@almerindaromeira8352go ahead and buils a prototype then... or make a desigh and submit it!....
Admiral Nelson's Seaview came with a flying sub as standard equipment back in the 60's
I can see why it was not built. 100mph rotation speed will be very challenging to operate in waves even as small a 12". It would be a very rough ride and likely flip like a cigaret boat hitting a freak wave.
This will be a reality when the anti gravity tech is released
Who knows, **puts on tin foil hat ** the government might already have that tech, but again this is just a theory, believe what you wish and just as (I think it was) Someone at the Skunkworks said, "Aircraft and technology the public sees today we (the government) are at least 10 years ahead in technology" or something of the sort
@@Yuki_Ika7the military industrial complex is not loyal to any one country. The conspiracies of 10 years ago are today's reality.
GMS creates a low pressure bubble. Not to mention the push/pull fields.
I feel like you could make a VASTLY cheaper alternative if you had a stealthy sea plane with a mini submersible as its payload, and it could return and retrieve the seals and their mini sub.
The Japanese had 3 submarine aircraft carriers in WW2
Likely what inspired the 1950's U.S. design
A semi-submersible might be more what is possible. A stealthy mast/air intake for cruising along like those dolphin shaped seadoos. An airborne sprint mode like an ekranoplan, and an hour or two of full immersion time while on target. The design would probably rely on the wings for buoyancy/depth control while submerged and for the plaining cushion while sprinting.
This seems a lot more feasible as a bridge between the two styles until technology catches up for full air/sub vehicle
that’s a most excellent idea particularly in the context of land-based radars being limited by their horizon and overhead radars limited by sea clutter.
I sat in the DARPA brief where they were soliciting bidd to develop concepts... I was skeptical... however I was approached by a creative individual who thought he had a idea..
The objective was a long flight, a shorter high speed surface dash, and a shorter submerged leg, and back
A flying submarine sounds like something out of a James Bond film.
It’s in the newest one
Or the incredible
I would be curious to ask why they did not consider a hydrofoil or surface effect ship that could submerge instead. I could see them building one or two special purpose ships.
Those are both great ideas. It'd be a lot easier to take off out of the water on a hydrofoil with the wings up out of the water.
@@davewebster5120 My thought is that with ground effect or hydrofoil, you don't need the airplane part. Your not as fast as a pure airplane, but you will have an easier time lifting the submarine pressure hull out of the water to gain speed.
@@kennethng8346too visible In sonar I expect.
Wakes are pretty detectable on sonar, and hydro foils have wakes last I checked ...
@@deth3021 By sonar do you mean active sonar or passive sound microphones? While I have no first hand experience, I'd imagine that trying to use active pings to track hydrofoils amongst the surface wave clutter would be difficult at best. Maybe you could use doppler shifts, but wave movement would intefere with that. Passive microphones would probably work.
I still think ground effect vessels would solve most of the problems.
@kennethng8346 there are many ways to detect wakes. Give wake detecfion a Google.
Satalites can do it. Airplanes can do it and ships can do it.
Yes I believe that ships would use active sonar for it.
Satalites/drones are perhaps the biggest issue though. As they can monitor large swaths of sea/ocean.
Acrono planes actually also leave wakes AFAIK. I suspect they would also be detectable by passive sonar.... as they are creating noise so close to the water.
I mean it's called ground effect for a reason.
Air is much weaker at transmitting sound than water. So a plane for initial insertion and then a stealth mini sub for the last crawl actually makes a lot of sense.
If they admitted it's possible in 2010, it has 100% been made and used I garuntee it
I've been wanting to make one for myself for years.
If you're willing to concede that it's terrible at both, it's entirely possible. With modern batteries and electric motors, it wouldn't be that difficult. Particularly if it's an open type wet sub.
Fun fact, some types of airo propellers work perfectly fine in the water because of all the torque of an electric motor. I bet that a toroidal type optimized for flight could more than sufficiently serve double duty.
Likely as a demonstrator, maybe not yet in operational service due to the engineering challenges of dramatically changing media from air to ocean and back.
I'd love to see the engineers pitch this one:
- Flying sub.
- Smith, you bastard, you did it again.
Flooded wings and hull with only a small part being pressurized would make it difficult but doable.
Great stuff as always. They should give you a major award.
Maybe a lamp ?
A beautiful lamp in the shape of a lovely ladies leg!!!
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Zactly ! ... from Italy !
They already got it. The tic tac.
But is it a flying submarine - or a diving plane?
Its a trans-medium exfiltration transportation entity.
As an idiot on the internet, i feel qualified to suggest that they should be flying submarines, since submarine design and operations seem to be the best corellary to how spaceships can and maybe initially _should_ work. And if you wanna really go baller, have your flying submarine be able to take its pressure vessel to space also. All dem hoes love space shit. Musk drowning in it.
It's a diving plane.
As pointed out at the end of the video, it's easier to get an airplane to submerge than to get a submarine to fly.
"The dive bomber" 🗿
@@ddegn at first I was like why?? But thinking about it more, I guess that actually does make sense. Easier to make a light thing watertight than it is to take a heavy thing airborne.
Thank you for sharing
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I've been waiting for the first video from Aerospace Writer of the Year nominee Alex Hollings
Another excellent video.
Thank you, Mr. Hollings.
The Ekranoplan seems like a feasible existing design that could be modified for below surface travel. Speed, payload size, low profile, etc. I can imagine engine changes that accommodate underwater operation, and the vehicle having a pressurized cab, and any necessary deploy needs or pods etc.
I imagine the answer is no, but I desperately hope the answer is yes
Do they? Man I hope so, I wanna see this.
It's possible the designs are "ekranoplan" ground-effect aircraft. As those are more efficient than regular aircraft. Plus ekranoplan designs fly under radar at 3m-20m, so would be naturally stealthy.
We already saw this flying sup in the latest James Bond film. No Time to Die.
The Flying Sub first appeared in 1965 on the TV series Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
Many credible reports of USOs, maybe there are prototypes out there already. US NAVY has some pretty crazy patents.
Clips from the sixties sci-fi series, "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" would have been perfect...that series had the coolest flying sub.
"I'm Alex Hollings and this is Sea Power" 😂😂😂
i first started reading about the mark 8 in the 90s as a kid and ive always found the capability quite fascinating. although a bit fantastical on its face a flying submersible would be a tremendous asset in terms of versatile infil/exfil oprtions. their limited range meant they had to have what was called a dry deck shelter that they grafted onto ohio class subs. i do believe theres now subs with the capability built in, but youd have to ask the navy. a dry sub variant is gonna really strongly expand this sort of capability, and a flight enabled variant would be a huge huge asset, especially if you could add air launched weapons. a jdam type kit for small diameter bombs would be sick.
You are Alex Hollings and you are AWESOME. Thanks man!
I have questions 😂 Obviously, one is "how calm would the sea need to be?"
I'm just disappointed that you didn't change the intro to "and this, is Air power?" Emphesizing the question mark
😂 underrated comment. Admittedly, I’m hoping Alex spoofs these every so often too..
Anyone whose ever been diving in the open ocean knows even 20 minutes wet is absolutely bone shaking cold
Back in my day, we’d swim seven miles in and seven miles out. Ok, I’ve never had my day lol. I’m not over confident i can swim to the other end of an Olympic pool. I Guess i never thought about how these heroes get to the shore aside from one of those fast inflatable-looking boats. Makes sense. Great video
Gliders or even ground effect craft, with submersible functionality, could be a good starting point. Remember that a submarine of this type need not be either armoured or very depth capable. For example, the fibreglass subs used by the Colombian drug runners.
Thank you for your awesome videos. Once again, if I could request a video where you speculate on a V-280 + V-247 possible replacement for the Marines Huey and Cobra replacement. Thanks!
There was a video recently that had a shiny triangle come out of the water and fly past a passenger jet. I think either CBC or cnn had the video from a passenger. I did not really pay attention on it as triangles have been coming out of the water by Brazil since at least the 1970s. There is a beach that is like the black mailbox, a place we went in the 1980s and I guess people still go there to watch for things. There is a lot of lightening on the beach.
What really comes to mind is that Navy UFO videos. Where there filming through some kind of night vision and the object is above the ocean then the guy filming calls out splash down.
It's probably nothing but it is pretty crazy.
Being crammed inside one underwater for up to 72 hours as a pilot, waiting for your four team mates to return , would be torture.
Plenty of time for the pre flight check though.
Navy SEALs at Virginia Beach watching “Escape From New York” followed directly by “Escape From L.A.” thinking “we gotta get these things”. At the same time, a short drive away, at Pax River Maryland, the nerdy US NavyTest Pilots and engineers are watching the same thing. But they know it’s just a live action cartoon.
No matter how bizarre concepts like this are- and there are many- I have to wonder just how utterly bananas that some of the classified stuff is😮!
This is somewhere between operation Mincemeat and Space Battleship Yamato on the 'Bonkers Scale'... (I see a Dr Strangelove-esque guy saying: "Its so crazy it just might work!"... and the nutty thing is that that is a true statement, imho!)
As I see it, they don't need to fly up in the sky. I think a ground effect vehicle would work very well for this concept.
I the 90's, through an SBRI proposal, I submitted a concept for a ground effect/hydrofoil, it didn't submerge, but it did meet all of the other requirements stated in the report.
An episode of Airpower featuring submersibles? Weird flex, but I like it!
I. REMEMBER THE TV SERIES WHERE THEY HAD A FLYING SUBMARINE SHAPED LIKE AN STING RAY, WITH ALL THE SENSORS BLENDED INSIDE THE LAYERS OF THE FUSELAGE, THE PROPULSIUON COULD BE THE EASIEST PART OF IT.
Can't wait for the Nintendo / U.S. Navy collaboration for their videogame "Duck Hunt for red October."
Hello @ Mr. Hollings Congratulations on your award.. we'll deserved.
Could you please do an episode on evolving Chinese UCAV Capabilities..
bust some myths / bring facts around programs like WZ8.
Would like to know your perspective:
Combat vs ISR, new technologies, mass producibility, and tactics to employ
When I read the title of this segment on a thumbnail the first thought I had was, " i really hope so." The second thought was, " I hope it's even more outlandish than I imagine." The third thought, "type a comment about the great title."
Go fast, Gimbal, Nimitz.
But probably an Ekranoplan.
I couldn’t imagine being the crew just stuck in a little box for 3 days waiting on the seals to do their thing. 😂
I like to picture them playing 'go fish' for 3 straight days
I have designed a submarine that looks similar to a fighter jet that can "fly" underwater and breach from the water to also "fly" into the air at high velocities. The concept involves moving up to 100 mph under water at depths of less than 250 feet. Similar to a fighter jet, the sub is controlled by a similar flap and tail design that allows precise control under sea or in fresh water. The sub then can obtain these speeds to breach the surface jettisoning the ballasts and fly into the air up to 1000 feet using an air speed velocity of just under the speed of sound while carrying a full sized armed load and equipped with 20 mm cannons and torpedoes that can be fired underwater and from the air.
Ever wonder what those "ufo's going into the water outside of navy bases" are?
There was a TV show in the 60s that had a flying sub. Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
Back in the 80's, there was an experimental department, headed by the eggheads of the Navy and Airforce. The project weirdly enough was designated "Advanced Aerofoil Transport and Intelligence Platforms". Maybe that is really AATIP? Who knows.
A "surface effect" plane that only needed to submerge 10 feet seems fairly plausible, given current carbon fiber and hybrid electric tech.
Cue the flying submarine from "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea!" Wings wet for feet dry.
Great video!🤘🇨🇦🇺🇦
Man, SEALs had to be diving experts and demolition experts. Nowadays they have to be skippers and pilots too. I hope they get a raise to match. lol 😵💫
We could fill a "Narco-Sub" with Lithium batteries and use our new (soon) C-130 "pontoon variant" to land on water and launch the fiberglass narco sub, off of the cargo ramp, while afloat (same, in reverse, for recovery) .. The sub can be flooded (but sealed) and the internal seawater could be retained and recirculated, while being heated (even the small temperature difference, between "freezing "and "merely cold", may make all the difference). Supplemental rebreather "refill cartridges" could extend the breathable air supply.
It’s not a war crime the first time
Did you mention on the oxygen reserve and black box locator just in case there is a mishap?
Japan also had massive subs that carried 2 or 3 planes and large naval guns.
8:59 That's all good and lovely, Devil Dog, but we all know that the equipment has yet to pass the most important test for any of the Navy's SDVs: Does it not only allow, but also actively encourage, the all-important "Seal Reveal"...😂
Honestly, a Gotland class submarine has the range, stealth and can reach into the littorals or riverine environments. The only thing it can’t do is fly
You have to be desperate to choose flying over submerged travel in a contested environment.
i always thought an amphicar, which is a vehicle that can drive on roads, and then drive right into water and convert into boat operations, that could both fly and submerge, would be a sweet all in one vehicle.
When or will they offer an active insulated wet suit. A suit which could be semi integrated into the sleds system lessening fatigue from cold till they reach their target disconnecting doing their work and returning to it's security and warmth from the vehicles system. I can see this eventually coming to fruition when solid state batteries become common place with high energy density as it would lessen weight and increase abilities doing so. So, Alex I seem to remember a not to long ago story about a fast maneuverable mini sub that resembled a Manta Ray. I don't remember if it had a military bent, but think it may have any thoughts on it or if you know of same?
Would make more sense to air drop the sub, potentially collecting it afterwards
This seems like a good application for a ground-effect craft
What was that early 60's show that had the weird deep diving sub an the flying sub ???
They likely already have a underwater flying vehicle that above water is a hydrofoil.
Is this what is in the tic tac video?
If you ask some people they already had hypersonic trans-medium capability in 2004, and were testing it around unwitting carrier strike groups and never debriefing the pilots or radar operators who encountered it.
Lol yeah you just ask people and they tell you highly classified data… could you please report them to DOD? They’re a walking security breach.
@@TH-camuser1aa I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. I'm referring to the 2004 Nimitz incident.
I believe it was the USS John Marshall in 1986 when I was working on a sub tender. Multiple times I've seen their mini sub mounted on deck. Rumor was it was for Seal activities.
This would be awesome. I'm just suggesting they make the Seaview first.
Is this video about the "UFO Flying Around Navy Ship Near San Diego" video we got to see a couple of months ago?
Must be enjoying that HAUC upgrade
Excellent subject, Alex !
get real. Anything submersible has to be really thick and heavy to survive immersion in water. As such it is impossible, using present technology, to create a submersible that flies well. Conversely it is not possible to create an airframe that is light enough to fly yet can withstand being submerged without being crushed.
Does anyone remember the Soviet Ekranoplan? Some scaled-down versions might be a happy medium, using today's more efficient electric motors and super-strong composites could help with the weight and it wouldn't have to get too far out of the water in case of any number of force-down scenarios, and prep time from sub to just off the surface of the water would have to be quicker and it'd help with the radar signature being just off the deck. It'd also help as far as fuel to get it airborne. Another big plus is the bigger the craft the more efficient the lifting apparatus becomes. I just think it'd be worth a look.
The recent UFO whistleblower mentioned something about submarine looking craft. I believe they've already produced them.
Wait. Are you saying the Navy researched the GI Joe SHARC?
I mean I know life imitates art every so often but that’s wild.
A submersible ekranoplan would make more sense. They use ground effect so don't need a great deal of wing lift and can be heavier. Yes, flying but just off the surface. You can still get aircraft speed.
oh come on man, just use those saucer thingys. hehehehe
"Why no weaponised kite-propelled-mega-catamaran fortress?" is the only question we should ask.
That would be the absolute coolest thing I’ve ever heard and I am sure we are close or already have one or more.
If you look at the stuff that was the precursor to Sea Shadow, you can see what looks like a blended wing plane turned into a submarine. As the original idea was for a stealth sub rather than a stealth ship. Nothing but some studies came from that initial idea, apparently the stealth came at the cost of a significant reduction in speed (iirc Sea Shadow was a totally separate proposal that was based on that initial one). I really cannot help but think of that within the context of this video.
I read the title and was like "Nah that's dumb" but then I saw it was sandboxx
And here I thought we all lived in a yellow submarine.
I guess someone has to like the bad guy, and apparently it’s me as I have a sudden need to watch a clip about…Glove.
They don't need a submarine aircraft. A HALO insertion and a Fulton extraction could have similar results if you're willing to jump with a disposable wet submarine... but you're probably limited to two person operations.
I always thought those "cigar" shaped ufo's could easily just be a submarine in flight mode. Either way, this would explain the reasoning behind why the US would spend billions of dollars just on one ship. It could traverse both underwater, air and space.
So aircraft don't get crushed aside from the cabin and fuel tanks if you have flexible tanks and a porous cabin that won't get crushed either, the problem is expelling all the water so you can take off and having an engine that doesn't mind getting wet
You can't tell me that the tic tac UFO's weren't flying subs lol. The seals prolly messing with people doing work ups lol. B 21 raiders are sexy. Remember at my duty station they would come every once in awhile, they would always keep them locked out of sight but benefits of working out on the flight line was seeing these more clandestine ops.
Anti-gravity thrust projectors and perfect for this application.