"For if any non-Greek power, whether Persian or Macedonian, were to achieve world dominion, the typical form of the Greek state would suffer death and destruction." [p.188]
Ljupco Petkovski forgets to tell u that there was a referendum on the name change and the vast majority of Macedonians were opposed to it. Why does trt take a pro greek position using this biased "so-called" "expert"
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Will your lying about history and hiding from actual history change the past? We are Bulgarians. More Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarians. "Macedonian" linguist Krste Misirkov
@@robgliga5419 If you talking about the real Macedonians (Hellenic peoples) yes, they were quite victorious. If you 're talking about the Yugoslavs of Skopje, they are the epitome of losers.
@@passionpassion5098 gayreece's main fight : To not see the name Macedonia being used by anyone but them. Result : Countrys Name : North *MACEDONIA* People : *MACEDONIAN* Language : *MACEDONIAN* If this isn't a Ioss, I don't know what is. Continue cry
@@golden7811 Greece's problem was it tried to compromise. Go right ahead and ignore the Prespa Agrement. No Macedonia in name. And anyone that supports them going forward after they violated the agreement will be also targets for hostility by Greeks.
Before 15 centuries and Forever Slav Macedonian ! Micotakis - Greek Mickovski- Slav ! Together brothers Macedonians without consequences !❤
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split this fake Country three pieces . Albanians Bulgarian turks Gypsies Serbian You can. Not call this fake country macedonia. All the engine artifacts written in greek Not slavic
@@golden7811 Alexander's homeland is in Greece.... not Skopje that confused ancient Paeonia with Macedonia. And every single ancient Macedonian artifact is still written in Greek no matter how many crocodile tears of persecution you cry.
I am so sorry for this representative of Macedonia as he is not speaking for the majority. The term North was forced upon us by EU. It didn't pass the referendum and was illegaly signed. Multiple protests were held about it.
You can't just use that word for yourselves, bud. Macedonian Empire wasn't yours, neither is/was the Macedonian region. Imagine Turkiye renaming itself Balkan Republic just cause it has some landmass in Balkan. & your claim is worse, there was a huge Empire called Macedonian and it wasn't yours, like why are you so petty?
@@MIKRASIATISSA If the name of the entire land of my country is and has been called Macedonia for over 2000+ years, then how am I not allowed to call myself that? Just because greece stoIe our Aegean part, and committed genocide and caused an exodus of the Macedonian people living there, suddenly I cannot call myself by my own name?
@@golden7811 In fact, we had many different states and empires since 1500 BC. However the first state in history self-termed "Hellas" was the Empire of Nicaea, a Byzantine rump state established in 1204 AD. So, you got even that wrong.
Respect the name of Macedonia and the PRESPA agreement. She has violated it. Kingdom of ancient Macedonia language was Greek (Ancient Greek) and Identified as Hellenistic.
There is no agreement, when the referendum failed due to a boycott, and it was illegally signed. Also, the ancient Kingdom of Macedonia spoke the ancient Macedonian language, that was unintelligible to greeks, based on every single scholar. What you speak of, is koine greek, and not ancient Macedonian. And koine greek was later on used as the official language of rest of the Byzantine Empire, and not just in Macedonia. In the same way how I am speaking to you in English now. However, that does not make me an Englishman.
@@golden7811 Can you show us examples of this "ancient Macedonian" language? When I ask this question, all North Macedonians suddenly get amnesia and stop replying.
@@Georgi.Delchev.Reborn It is because the people that you speak with, are normal people. They are not archeologists. If you want to learn more about the language that ancient Macedonians spoke, search for the video "The Ethnicity of the Ancient Macedonians" by Proffesor Kenneth W. Harl
@@golden7811 I watched the whole video. This pseudo professor did not show even one example of this "ancient Macedonian language". All I saw was a few Greek inscriptions and coins and the rest was some maps, statues, paintings, buildings, empty words and speculations. Show me real examples of the "ancient Macedonian". I searched all over the internet and could not find even one real evidence. Here is some real evidence - Alexander's tetradrachms kept in the Smithsonian Institution - showing Greek letters and depicting the Greek gods Zeus and Nike.
Herodotus. The father of history 410 BC. Let us let Alexander himself speak of his origin. Said speech is referring to Alexander I of Macedon of the Argead Dynasty in Herodotus 9.45.2 where as the question states he said ‘I myself am by ancient descent a Greek’ So contrary to what you've stated he's already described himself a Greek. I'm curious to see who will find the courage, the guts, and the stupidity, to challenge Alexander.
@@sasho888prm The modern Greek state in 1914 occupied Macedonian territories .Please read history from reliable sources . Macedonia is only one and Alexandar The Geat language was “Naski”which means “ours” in Macedonian Language
@mariamac5419 Come on, please. The Macedonian region was always there but the nation was created by Communists in the 1940's. Don't you find it a little strange that there were no famous Macedonians from antiquity to the 1800's? Next you gonna tell me that Alexander the Great was singing "Makedonsko devoiche" and wrote in Cyrillic. Please, no drugs.
@@sasho888prm Of course because is the most beautiful song,I wasn’t expecting you to know about Macedonia as your grandmother perhaps come from Turkey or Ethiopia
How can it be "fake" Macedonians, when the land that we live in has been called Macedonia for over 2000+ years? Also, just because we used to play a part in the First Bulgarian Empire, doesn't mean that we have anything to do with the modern country of Bulgaria today.
The name north is forced by history actually. The original one belongs to Greece. The northern one must accept the fact that they have nothing to do with ancient greek history.
They can't call themselves something that they're not and later claim other country's territory They've signed the name of their country so they must honour their signature
@@giorgismaximos8662 they can call themselves Klingons if if they want. Greek admin should work on not failing the Greek citizenry rather than being children on the international stage. They have the diplomatic guile of the Israelis, and the same ethnocentrism
@@BOZ_11 It would be more real if they were called klingons Turkey should take care of its hungry citizens and stop attacks on foreign countries and supporting trrists Greeks are proud of what they are in contrast to others who do not have an identity
@@EliasGeorgiou-h7j "What we are" is both completely irrelevant and none of your concern. We can proclaim to be aliens tomorrow, if we wanted to. The only important fact, is that this land has been called Macedonia for over 2000+ years. And that automatically, everyone living on it, is Macedonian, no matter his background.
@@EliasGeorgiou-h7j Yet we are *Internationally* recognized as *MACEDONIANS* and ONLY as Macedonians. Now tell me, how does that make you feel? ='( I'll go buy some tissues for you
@@giorgismaximos8662 Thats pathetic. Ancient Macedonia and the Hellenic tribes were never a single thing. You do not have any ownership of this heritage or land. You brought Greek refugees from Turkey to colonize it in 1923, then from 1941-1944 you commited genocide on the Macedonian population. The world will know the true history. Macedonia was never Greek.
@@mark1232546 Macedonia is a Greek name and has always been Greek for thousands of years and not since tito's time Save your propgnda for yourselves and honour your signature
since you are in a Turkish channel, all you the wannabe "Macedonians" can make a research to the Ottoman records and look if they ever referred to a "Macedonian nation" living in the Balkans. I mean, the Ottomans had records for everything, so they had records for all the nations in the Balkans (Serbs, Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians, Jews etc).. Not a word about a "Macedonian" nation.
Hahaha you can't be 3 in 1 🤣😂. And Macedonians and Greeks and Hellenes 😂 . Decide what you are! We know that we are MACEDONIANS ❤️💛😊👌 MACEDONIA BELONGS TO THE MACEDONIANS!
No country or anyone has the right to tell someone how to call them selves , Macedonia it is , full support to all Macedonias , you dont need Uniated Nations
But this is not the Hellenic Macedonia, it is Vardar Banovina. The real Macedonia is Aegean, Pirin and Vardar. Only 1/3 of the real Macedonia is in North Macedonia. The former Yugoslav republic should not have the right to keep the name Macedonia only for itself and to tell that Bulgarian and Greek Macedonians are part of North Macedonia.
@@Georgi.Delchev.Reborn "But this is not the Hellenic Macedonia" 1. It doesn't have to be. 2. Aegean Macedonia was stolen by greece in 1913, where there was genocide and mass exodus against the Macedonian people living there. So it is not "theirs".
@@golden7811Greece liberated its native lands of Macedonia from the Ottoman Empire. Turks are not natives of Macedonia nor was the ancient kingdom of Macedonia Turkish. It was Greek. Hence I don’t know how Greeks can steal something that was rightfully theirs in the first place.
The audacity by these right wing Greek nationalists and their EU daddy. How about Greece looks itself in a mirror and change its own name to Former Arvanite Republic 😂
How many years does it take to get into the EU & NATO anyway? It's been what - 5 years or so since the Prespa Agreement? Even if VMRO-DPMNE agreed to the name change - which it didn't - how long-suffering & patient were they supposed to be? Back then I didn't care about the name situation one way or another, but now I'm with VMRO-DPMNE & their stance concerning it : it's Macedonia, let it stay Macedonia. After all, others gave that land its name a long time before any of us were born.
We Macedonians, we always will call Macedonia and never use North. We always been Macedonians and our country is Republic of Macedonia. In the Communist Yugoslavia we were Socialist Republic of Macedonia. The scandal is on the European Union to change our constitutional name Republic Macedonia. Where is the self proclaim, self determination, please don't try to push Macedonians to go to extreme, give the freedom to all Macedonians. The Macedonians in Greece don't have the freedom for over 100 years, it is the same with Macedonians in Bulgarians. WE WILL NEVER GIVE IN ON YOUR AGENDA...
You can call yourdelf whatever you like. Nobody with history knowledge believes you anyway. Now regarding the official agreement, it has to be respected otherwise you loose all credibility as a state (if you ever had any).
@@tatjanavelkova5814 yeah whatever you say Tatjana. Is Tatjana Velkova a russian surname ? Or from a slavic country? Because the female macedonian names are Persephone, Antigone, Olympias, etc. Tatjana and Velkova are not. Neither are they written anywhere is ancient texts or sculptures. Have a nice afternoon VelkOVA TATJIANA
@@torontopromotions9095 Better informed next time Macedonia is a part of Greece if you claim you are Macedonia too you admit that your are part of Greece so you should join Greece
@@ioanhogwarts4953 Every year on October 11th we celebrate our victory over Bulgaria, so the only thing that "we are going to eat" is empty words typed from a keyboard in some basement by some mad Bulgarian chiId.
@@ioanhogwarts4953 Every single year on 11th October (which is a national holiday here) we celebrate our victory over Bulgaria. So I truly wonder what is it that we are going to "eat". Words typed on a keyboard? 🤣
Only 1 part of Macedonia is in greece, and even that part is stolen (1913). Also for your information, Vardarska Makedonija in English means = Macedonia by the river Vardar ("Axios") which accompanies entire Macedonia.
@@valentindimitrov7890 You mean they are Macedonian Slavs mixed with the local indigenous Macedonian people? That used to play a part in the First Bulgarian Empire, but not anymore.
@@golden7811Такъв термин няма ,,македонски славяни",я да видим е в историческите извори всички от ВМРО какви са били по народност и за какво са се борили!?
@@valentindimitrov7890 Bulgarians confuse me the most. You say that Macedonians are Bulgarians, but at the same time you attack Macedonians? If your theory is true, wouldn't that automatically mean that you are attacking yourself? Also, Ukraine and Russia used to be the Soviet Union in the past too, but that doesn't change how different they are now and how different they stand today.
since you are in a Turkish channel, all you the wannabe "Macedonians" can make a research to the Ottoman records and look if they ever referred to a "Macedonian nation" living in the Balkans. I mean, the Ottomans had records for everything, so they had records for all the nations in the Balkans (Serbs, Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians, Jews etc).. Not a word about a "Macedonian" nation.
Have you ever wondered why every single country is allowed to build a strong connection with it's land and previous inhabitants, and claim over 2000+ years of ancestry? Albanians with the ancient Illyrians. Kosovars with the ancient Dardanians. Greeks with the ancient Hellenes. Bulgarians with the ancient Thracians. But "somehow" Macedonia is the only country that is not allowed to do that? It is because : 1. Greece wants to take the entire heritage of ancient Macedonia for itself (even though it does not belong only to it) 2. And because Bulgaria wants big Bulgaria. (in the same way how Russia wants big Russia and is denying Ukranians their existence) The agendas of only 2 countries is being pushed to be the agenda of the whole world. *KNOW THE TRUTH* These are the only 2 countries that we have a problem with. As for the rest of the world, we are eternally thankful. 150 out of 200 countries have accepted us under our constitutional name as only : *Macedonia.* As well as 4 out of the 5 permanent members of the United Nations : America, China, Russia and England.
"Have you ever wondered why every single country is allowed to build a strong connection with it's land and previous inhabitants, and claim over 2000+ years of ancestry?" No, we haven't wondered, cuz it's not true. I 've never met an American or Australian, which claims over 2000 +years of ancestry. However North Macedonia has less history than USA or Austalia (unless if you consider history, coming to the Balkans in the 6th century and then being ruled successively by Greeks, Serbs, Bulgars, Turks, without ever achieving anything noteworthy. Hmmm No, Bulgarians do not officially lay claim to ancient Thracians (some do in the Internet, but not officially), but to the Bulgars and the South Slavs, which resulted in their enthnogenesis. If the heritage of ancient Macedonia does not belong only to Greece, to whom does it belong then? YOU ? HAHAHAHAHAHA "As for the rest of the world, we are eternally thankful" Yes, Greeks too. Nobody currently recognises you as Republic of Macedonia, and since last week they have issued warnings against your new President, to submit to the Prespa Agreement. OUCH.
@@passionpassion5098 "I 've never met an American or Australian" This subject is about Macedonian history. By "everyone" I meant everyone around us. American or Australian history does not interest me. "unless if you consider history, coming to the Balkans in the 6th century and then being ruled successively by Greeks, Serbs, Bulgars, Turks" You mean conquering the Balkans in the 6th century? Where greeks were slaves to the Roman Empire, while that same Roman Empire had to pay tribute to us Slavs, just for us to leave them alone. Also, Serbs and Bulgars are Slavs, if you forgot. "without ever achieving anything noteworthy." Like conquering entire Europe, including your Iand? That now 1400 years later you can't get over it? xD
@@passionpassion5098 "Bulgars and the South Slavs, which resulted in their enthnogenesis." Today's Bulgarians are a mix between the Slavic people that conquered the Balkans, and the civilian Thracian people that they mixed with, if you didn't know. There is no such thing as "Bulgars and South Slavs", Bulgars are 1 branch of the South Slavic people. In the same way how today's Macedonians are a mix between the Slavic people that conquered the Balkans, and the indigenous Macedonian people that used to live on this land, even before their arrival.
@@passionpassion5098 "If the heritage of ancient Macedonia does not belong only to Greece, to whom does it belong then?" To the land right above you, who has been called *MACEDONIA* for over 2000+ years, and for a very good reason. Go to Rome, and in one of it's parts you'll find one of the oldest Maps known to this world that ever exists. Go there, search for my land there on that map, and see what is the name written there. And then come back and tell me what you saw.
There is a south macedonia in greece. Its a geographic location like the old kingdom. There is no macedonia language or ethnicity so no, you can't have a country north macedonia because it simply isn't.
Countries name is NORTH Macedonia dear. If not, Greece will block them from EU, request NATO boot them, remove any recognition, and possibly look into another economic embargo.
@@mariamac5419 All ancient Macedonian arfiacts located in Alexander's homeland, located in Greece, is written in Greek. In 1914 the majority of you still self-identified as Bulgarians. You were "Macedonian" in regional not ethnic sense .It's not the fault of Greek, or Bulgarians, you lie about your own history. It's the fault of fanatics like you
@@golden7811 That's why you are a tiny landlocked country, with lower GDP than the total assets of the 6 richest Greeks (FORBES list). And ofcourse being forced into changing your name.
They won’t respect or line up. In the BEST case scenario is NORTH Macedonia purely from a geographic perspective. Don’t be stupid. You need Greece and possible be part of our country
North Macedonia is the ancient Peonians people, and after that in the century VI came Slavic people to settle down for ever and ever. Nazdravlje Makedonija ljudi 🇲🇰❤️
@@iwannisbalaouras1687 Paeonia was fully incorporated into Macedonia. It was Macedonia, basically. And both the term Paeonia and Paeonian got replaced with Macedonia and Macedonians. The Paeonians were 1 fraction of the Macedonian people. In the same way how the people from Manchester don't have to be from London in order to call themselves English.
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All these Turkish Protectorates are playing with fire. Especially, Skopje and Albania ...
I mean you came from the Turkish you also know about your brothers Albanians. And you call Macedonians Turksih?
@@mirjanaobednikovska7661your religion alphabet and civilazation come from the Greeks
@mirjanaobednikovska7661 you are not Macedonians. But in any case I didn't call you Turkish. I called your state turkish protectorate.
@@phk1959 MAKEDONSKI NAROD 25 VEKA ! ! !
ti.... 0.
"For if any non-Greek power, whether Persian or Macedonian, were to achieve world dominion, the typical form of the Greek state would suffer death and destruction." [p.188]
Ljupco Petkovski forgets to tell u that there was a referendum on the name change and the vast majority of Macedonians were opposed to it. Why does trt take a pro greek position using this biased "so-called" "expert"
If they were oppsoed to it they should have voted against it.
It's not the fault of Greeks or Bulgarians the former Yugoslavians hide from their mostly ethnic Bulgarian past.
IN MAKEDONIJA 25 CENTURIES MACEDONIANS ! ! !
@@tatjanavelkova5814
Will your lying about history and hiding from actual history change the past?
We are Bulgarians. More Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarians.
"Macedonian" linguist Krste Misirkov
GREECE WILL NOT LET YOU GUYS WIN
Macedonia has already win, no one has rhe right to change anyone's name or force them to call them selves something they are not
@@robgliga5419МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ СА ВЕШТАЧКА ТВОРБА ,МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ СЕ ОДРОДЕНИ БЛГАРИ ,ОДРОДЕНИ ОТ СРБОКОМУНJAРИТЕ!
@@robgliga5419 If you talking about the real Macedonians (Hellenic peoples) yes, they were quite victorious. If you 're talking about the Yugoslavs of Skopje, they are the epitome of losers.
@@passionpassion5098 gayreece's main fight : To not see the name Macedonia being used by anyone but them.
Result :
Countrys Name : North *MACEDONIA*
People : *MACEDONIAN*
Language : *MACEDONIAN*
If this isn't a Ioss, I don't know what is. Continue cry
@@golden7811 Greece's problem was it tried to compromise. Go right ahead and ignore the Prespa Agrement. No Macedonia in name. And anyone that supports them going forward after they violated the agreement will be also targets for hostility by Greeks.
I'M MACEDONIAN FROM NORTHERN GREECE. Never slav, always Greek. Always proud of Macedonia. Always proud of being Greek.
Before 15 centuries and Forever Slav Macedonian !
Micotakis - Greek
Mickovski-
Slav !
Together brothers Macedonians without consequences !❤
split this fake Country three pieces . Albanians Bulgarian turks Gypsies Serbian You can.
Not call this fake country macedonia. All the engine artifacts written in greek Not slavic
It will happen sooner or later. they know they have no chance.
Until the end of your life, every single time you open the map, you're gonna read the name Macedonia, above you. Continue cry.
@@golden7811 Until the end of your life, and eternity forward, every single ancient Maceodnian artifact will be written in Greek. Racist fanatic..
@@golden7811 Yes, as a region of GREECE!😁
@@golden7811 Alexander's homeland is in Greece.... not Skopje that confused ancient Paeonia with Macedonia. And every single ancient Macedonian artifact is still written in Greek no matter how many crocodile tears of persecution you cry.
I am so sorry for this representative of Macedonia as he is not speaking for the majority.
The term North was forced upon us by EU. It didn't pass the referendum and was illegaly signed.
Multiple protests were held about it.
You can't just use that word for yourselves, bud. Macedonian Empire wasn't yours, neither is/was the Macedonian region. Imagine Turkiye renaming itself Balkan Republic just cause it has some landmass in Balkan. & your claim is worse, there was a huge Empire called Macedonian and it wasn't yours, like why are you so petty?
@@MIKRASIATISSA If the name of the entire land of my country is and has been called Macedonia for over 2000+ years, then how am I not allowed to call myself that?
Just because greece stoIe our Aegean part, and committed genocide and caused an exodus of the Macedonian people living there, suddenly I cannot call myself by my own name?
@@golden7811 Of your country ?? You guys never had a country before 1991, what are you talking about ? You are not even a nation state to begin with.
@@passionpassion5098 And you never had a country before 1830, based on your ideoIgy.
@@golden7811 In fact, we had many different states and empires since 1500 BC. However the first state in history self-termed "Hellas" was the Empire of Nicaea, a Byzantine rump state established in 1204 AD. So, you got even that wrong.
North Macedonia is North Korea on the Balkans.... a big trouble of Europe
That's why nobody likes them.
You are yet to see the might of Makedonija.
@@passionpassion5098 Come on, cry some more.
@@d-rzarkocubrinoski Your whole nation has been crying for the past 4 years.
@@passionpassion5098 Poor men's wishes. You will cry some more now.
Respect the name of Macedonia and the PRESPA agreement. She has violated it. Kingdom of ancient Macedonia language was Greek (Ancient Greek) and Identified as Hellenistic.
There is no agreement, when the referendum failed due to a boycott, and it was illegally signed.
Also, the ancient Kingdom of Macedonia spoke the ancient Macedonian language, that was unintelligible to greeks, based on every single scholar.
What you speak of, is koine greek, and not ancient Macedonian. And koine greek was later on used as the official language of rest of the Byzantine Empire, and not just in Macedonia.
In the same way how I am speaking to you in English now. However, that does not make me an Englishman.
@@golden7811 Can you show us examples of this "ancient Macedonian" language? When I ask this question, all North Macedonians suddenly get amnesia and stop replying.
Alexandar was never Greek, his language was Macedonian.Truth is hurtful but there is only one Macedonia ❤
@@Georgi.Delchev.Reborn It is because the people that you speak with, are normal people. They are not archeologists. If you want to learn more about the language that ancient Macedonians spoke, search for the video "The Ethnicity of the Ancient Macedonians" by Proffesor Kenneth W. Harl
@@golden7811 I watched the whole video. This pseudo professor did not show even one example of this "ancient Macedonian language". All I saw was a few Greek inscriptions and coins and the rest was some maps, statues, paintings, buildings, empty words and speculations.
Show me real examples of the "ancient Macedonian". I searched all over the internet and could not find even one real evidence.
Here is some real evidence - Alexander's tetradrachms kept in the Smithsonian Institution - showing Greek letters and depicting the Greek gods Zeus and Nike.
You can rename your country to Southwestern Bulgaria. This is the true name of your country.
@pavlinpetkov8984 Every single year on 11th of October we celebrate out victory over TatarIand, so no need ;)
@@golden7811 Your nation never won a victory against anyone, let alone Bulgaria and Greece.
@@golden7811ТИ СИ ТИТОВ ИЗПРДОК ,ОДРОДЕН БЛГАРИН!
@@passionpassion5098 Ever heard of *ASNOM?* xD
Pavlin, how is western Tatarstan for bulgaria
Herodotus. The father of history 410 BC. Let us let Alexander himself speak of his origin.
Said speech is referring to Alexander I of Macedon of the Argead Dynasty in Herodotus 9.45.2 where as the question states he said ‘I myself am by ancient descent a Greek’ So contrary to what you've stated he's already described himself a Greek.
I'm curious to see who will find the courage, the guts, and the stupidity, to challenge Alexander.
Macedonia is greek North Macedonia is a slavic nation which has no conection to the ancient greek kingdom of Macedonia.
For some reason they refuse to accept that they were formed in 1944.
Wegen der Genocid vom Grechenland und Westeuropa miss sich Macedonien umbennen.
@@sasho888prm The modern Greek state in 1914 occupied Macedonian territories .Please read history from reliable sources . Macedonia is only one and Alexandar The Geat language was “Naski”which means “ours” in Macedonian Language
@mariamac5419 Come on, please. The Macedonian region was always there but the nation was created by Communists in the 1940's. Don't you find it a little strange that there were no famous Macedonians from antiquity to the 1800's?
Next you gonna tell me that Alexander the Great was singing "Makedonsko devoiche" and wrote in Cyrillic.
Please, no drugs.
@@sasho888prm Of course because is the most beautiful song,I wasn’t expecting you to know about Macedonia as your grandmother perhaps come from Turkey or Ethiopia
Ah Balkan Peninsula, most mysterious place ever.
Who care what Greece think they first need to look in own borders
Bulgarians by God, (Fake)Macedonians by Tito!
Well said.
Tatars by God, Nazis by Hitler.
I second that 👍🏽
How can it be "fake" Macedonians, when the land that we live in has been called Macedonia for over 2000+ years?
Also, just because we used to play a part in the First Bulgarian Empire, doesn't mean that we have anything to do with the modern country of Bulgaria today.
@@golden7811 The only Tatar presence on the Balkan Peninsula is in North Macedonia. Your greatest hero Hristo Tatarchev is an ethnic Tatar.
Im Macedonian and my country name is MACEDONIA!
Then you have no country , there is no such country
The whole world knows Macedonia which is obviously a Greek name , is part of Greece
MAKEDONIJA 25 VEKA e vo JUZ'NA EVROPA. od FILIP KRAL
NA MAKEDONIJA IV vek pred ovaa era i denes XXI vek ! ! !
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Greek names !
You can't even convince yourself
No you are not and you never will be !!!!!
FYROM
Democraticaly right the name north was forced by nato and eu
FYROM and Albania worst countries in Europe 😂
@@decem_sagittae That's why the only thing your country of greece today is known for, is being in debt xDDDD
@@golden7811 I am Romanian
The name north is forced by history actually. The original one belongs to Greece. The northern one must accept the fact that they have nothing to do with ancient greek history.
MACEDONIAN HISTORY 25 CENTURIES from KING FILIP ! ! !
Greeks are so touchy; imagine the gall, THE GALL, to tell another country what to name itself.
They can't call themselves something that they're not and later claim other country's territory
They've signed the name of their country so they must honour their signature
@@giorgismaximos8662 they can call themselves Klingons if if they want. Greek admin should work on not failing the Greek citizenry rather than being children on the international stage. They have the diplomatic guile of the Israelis, and the same ethnocentrism
@@BOZ_11 It would be more real
if they were called klingons
Turkey should take care of its hungry citizens and stop attacks on foreign countries and supporting trrists
Greeks are proud of what they are in contrast to others who do not have an identity
@@giorgismaximos8662 You can call for Turkey do anything you want when it insists on naming other countries.
@@BOZ_11 ?
We 've talked in the past, you never achieved anything
She has the right to use the Macedonian name because it belongs to Macedonian people!Macedonia!
What ever they do, they know there. Bulgarians,slavs,servs,albanian,they can say they come from Mars
@@EliasGeorgiou-h7j "What we are" is both completely irrelevant and none of your concern. We can proclaim to be aliens tomorrow, if we wanted to.
The only important fact, is that this land has been called Macedonia for over 2000+ years. And that automatically, everyone living on it, is Macedonian, no matter his background.
@@EliasGeorgiou-h7j Yet we are *Internationally* recognized as *MACEDONIANS* and ONLY as Macedonians.
Now tell me, how does that make you feel? ='(
I'll go buy some tissues for you
Ljupco you have a problem with logic and common sense how much have you been paid?
I will call myself how I'm feeling so I'm macedonian and my birthplace country is Macedonia 🎉
greeks literally brow beat them into changing their name in the first place
Υou may say you're an alien, it's similar
If you say you were born in Macedonia then you say you're Greek
@@giorgismaximos8662 Thats pathetic. Ancient Macedonia and the Hellenic tribes were never a single thing. You do not have any ownership of this heritage or land. You brought Greek refugees from Turkey to colonize it in 1923, then from 1941-1944 you commited genocide on the Macedonian population. The world will know the true history.
Macedonia was never Greek.
@@mark1232546 Macedonia is a Greek
name and has always been Greek for
thousands of years and not
since tito's time
Save your propgnda for yourselves
and honour your signature
@@giorgismaximos8662 Google When was Greece created
Hostess: we are not North Macedonians! We are Macedonians !
Just think again....😤
ASSALAM O ALAIKUM WRWB I STAND WITH PALESTINE LOVE AND SUPPORT FROM INDIA 🇮🇳🇮🇳❤🇵🇸🇵🇸
since you are in a Turkish channel, all you the wannabe "Macedonians" can make a research to the Ottoman records and look if they ever referred to a "Macedonian nation" living in the Balkans. I mean, the Ottomans had records for everything, so they had records for all the nations in the Balkans (Serbs, Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians, Jews etc).. Not a word about a "Macedonian" nation.
MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIAN. VIVA MACEDONIA. VIVA MACEDONIANS.
Hahaha you can't be 3 in 1 🤣😂. And Macedonians and Greeks and Hellenes 😂 . Decide what you are! We know that we are MACEDONIANS ❤️💛😊👌 MACEDONIA BELONGS TO THE MACEDONIANS!
No country or anyone has the right to tell someone how to call them selves , Macedonia it is , full support to all Macedonias , you dont need Uniated Nations
But this is not the Hellenic Macedonia, it is Vardar Banovina. The real Macedonia is Aegean, Pirin and Vardar. Only 1/3 of the real Macedonia is in North Macedonia.
The former Yugoslav republic should not have the right to keep the name Macedonia only for itself and to tell that Bulgarian and Greek Macedonians are part of North Macedonia.
And we can call you kebab vardaska
@@Georgi.Delchev.Reborn "But this is not the Hellenic Macedonia"
1. It doesn't have to be.
2. Aegean Macedonia was stolen by greece in 1913, where there was genocide and mass exodus against the Macedonian people living there. So it is not "theirs".
@@golden7811Greece liberated its native lands of Macedonia from the Ottoman Empire. Turks are not natives of Macedonia nor was the ancient kingdom of Macedonia Turkish. It was Greek. Hence I don’t know how Greeks can steal something that was rightfully theirs in the first place.
Of course it has, this is just irrational
President of Macedonia 🇲🇰, have support to go in BRICS.
Congratulations President of Macedonia.
Denial to the hostess: Davkova's speech is NOT A SCANDAL! Davkova is Macedonian and our country is Macedonia!
@g.tsvetkova I don't care what you say.
@g.tsvetkova TATJANA MAKEDONKA.
guska @.
This is so stupid. The Balkans should have been absorbed in to the EU by now.
why do u want that? EU is a basket case. Mean average GDP growth last year was 0.3% across Euro carrying countries
The audacity by these right wing Greek nationalists and their EU daddy. How about Greece looks itself in a mirror and change its own name to Former Arvanite Republic 😂
How many years does it take to get into the EU & NATO anyway? It's been what - 5 years or so since the Prespa Agreement? Even if VMRO-DPMNE agreed to the name change - which it didn't - how long-suffering & patient were they supposed to be? Back then I didn't care about the name situation one way or another, but now I'm with VMRO-DPMNE & their stance concerning it : it's Macedonia, let it stay Macedonia. After all, others gave that land its name a long time before any of us were born.
So you’re staying out of the EU 😋😛
@@grSpyridon It's just as well : Turkey will probably be back on the Peninsula before any of that, anyway. 🇹🇷
Време е Македонците да прават ѓурултија. Доволно бевме јагниња меѓу волци. МАКЕДОНИЈА ВЕЧНА🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰
Е колку да е вечна: 1991 - 2030
@@bulgariantimes до крајот на светот. Но Вие тоа не го разбирате.
@@marjanjanevski7702 Е па значи дека крайот на светот ке иде до 2030
@@bulgariantimes Please tell us how it will end in 2030. I love fairytale stories.
We Macedonians, we always will call Macedonia and never use North. We always been Macedonians and our country is Republic of Macedonia. In the Communist Yugoslavia we were Socialist Republic of Macedonia. The scandal is on the European Union to change our constitutional name Republic Macedonia. Where is the self proclaim, self determination, please don't try to push Macedonians to go to extreme, give the freedom to all Macedonians. The Macedonians in Greece don't have the freedom for over 100 years, it is the same with Macedonians in Bulgarians. WE WILL NEVER GIVE IN ON YOUR AGENDA...
Brainwashed.... Rip
You can call yourdelf whatever you like. Nobody with history knowledge believes you anyway. Now regarding the official agreement, it has to be respected otherwise you loose all credibility as a state (if you ever had any).
@@tg1095gr call yourself..... sheep.
@@tatjanavelkova5814 yeah whatever you say Tatjana. Is Tatjana Velkova a russian surname ? Or from a slavic country? Because the female macedonian names are Persephone, Antigone, Olympias, etc. Tatjana and Velkova are not. Neither are they written anywhere is ancient texts or sculptures. Have a nice afternoon VelkOVA TATJIANA
@@tg1095gr I AM MACEDONIAN ! ! !
... c'ao.
Republic of North Macedonia and that's more than they deserved , they have signed it !
Who has signed it? A Corrupt Western Puppet Politician? The people had their say, the referendum was boycotted and failed.
Who has signed it? The referendum failed because of a boycott. The people already gave you your answer.
This agreement hasnt been ratified by athens and will be annulled one day by Macedonia
@@torontopromotions9095 Better informed
next time
Macedonia is a part of Greece if you claim
you are Macedonia too you admit that your are part of Greece so you should join Greece
@@giorgismaximos8662 False. Only 1 part out of 3 of Macedonia is in greece, and even that part is stolen (1913).
They all can eat it. 😂
You will eat it hard
@@ioanhogwarts4953 You will sakenzi bigenzi dikenzi.
@@ioanhogwarts4953 You will sakenzi bigenzi dikenzi.
@@ioanhogwarts4953 Every year on October 11th we celebrate our victory over Bulgaria, so the only thing that "we are going to eat" is empty words typed from a keyboard in some basement by some mad Bulgarian chiId.
@@ioanhogwarts4953 Every single year on 11th October (which is a national holiday here) we celebrate our victory over Bulgaria. So I truly wonder what is it that we are going to "eat". Words typed on a keyboard? 🤣
Macedonia is the Republic of Macedonia
Ok then. Former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the Former Vardar Banovin Yugoslavia. You sow what your reap.
Everyone wants to be Macedonian
Macedonia is Greece🇬🇷
Vardarska is Serbia
Only 1 part of Macedonia is in greece, and even that part is stolen (1913).
Also for your information, Vardarska Makedonija in English means = Macedonia by the river Vardar ("Axios") which accompanies entire Macedonia.
Днешните македонци които живеят в северна Гърция и тези в Вардарска са българи !
@@valentindimitrov7890 You mean they are Macedonian Slavs mixed with the local indigenous Macedonian people? That used to play a part in the First Bulgarian Empire, but not anymore.
@@golden7811Такъв термин няма ,,македонски славяни",я да видим е в историческите извори всички от ВМРО какви са били по народност и за какво са се борили!?
@@valentindimitrov7890 Bulgarians confuse me the most. You say that Macedonians are Bulgarians, but at the same time you attack Macedonians?
If your theory is true, wouldn't that automatically mean that you are attacking yourself?
Also, Ukraine and Russia used to be the Soviet Union in the past too, but that doesn't change how different they are now and how different they stand today.
GREECE FOR THE GREEKS. MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS.
since you are in a Turkish channel, all you the wannabe "Macedonians" can make a research to the Ottoman records and look if they ever referred to a "Macedonian nation" living in the Balkans. I mean, the Ottomans had records for everything, so they had records for all the nations in the Balkans (Serbs, Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians, Jews etc).. Not a word about a "Macedonian" nation.
@@mariosathens1 MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS.
Have you ever wondered why every single country is allowed to build a strong connection with it's land and previous inhabitants, and claim over 2000+ years of ancestry?
Albanians with the ancient Illyrians.
Kosovars with the ancient Dardanians.
Greeks with the ancient Hellenes.
Bulgarians with the ancient Thracians.
But "somehow" Macedonia is the only country that is not allowed to do that?
It is because :
1. Greece wants to take the entire heritage of ancient Macedonia for itself (even though it does not belong only to it)
2. And because Bulgaria wants big Bulgaria. (in the same way how Russia wants big Russia and is denying Ukranians their existence)
The agendas of only 2 countries is being pushed to be the agenda of the whole world.
*KNOW THE TRUTH*
These are the only 2 countries that we have a problem with. As for the rest of the world, we are eternally thankful.
150 out of 200 countries have accepted us under our constitutional name as only : *Macedonia.*
As well as 4 out of the 5 permanent members of the United Nations : America, China, Russia and England.
"Have you ever wondered why every single country is allowed to build a strong connection with it's land and previous inhabitants, and claim over 2000+ years of ancestry?" No, we haven't wondered, cuz it's not true. I 've never met an American or Australian, which claims over 2000 +years of ancestry. However North Macedonia has less history than USA or Austalia (unless if you consider history, coming to the Balkans in the 6th century and then being ruled successively by Greeks, Serbs, Bulgars, Turks, without ever achieving anything noteworthy.
Hmmm No, Bulgarians do not officially lay claim to ancient Thracians (some do in the Internet, but not officially), but to the Bulgars and the South Slavs, which resulted in their enthnogenesis.
If the heritage of ancient Macedonia does not belong only to Greece, to whom does it belong then? YOU ? HAHAHAHAHAHA
"As for the rest of the world, we are eternally thankful" Yes, Greeks too. Nobody currently recognises you as Republic of Macedonia, and since last week they have issued warnings against your new President, to submit to the Prespa Agreement. OUCH.
The problem with your narrative.. .ancient Macedonians, like ancient Athenians, like ancient Spartans, were self-identifying Greeks.
@@passionpassion5098 "I 've never met an American or Australian"
This subject is about Macedonian history. By "everyone" I meant everyone around us. American or Australian history does not interest me.
"unless if you consider history, coming to the Balkans in the 6th century and then being ruled successively by Greeks, Serbs, Bulgars, Turks"
You mean conquering the Balkans in the 6th century?
Where greeks were slaves to the Roman Empire, while that same Roman Empire had to pay tribute to us Slavs, just for us to leave them alone.
Also, Serbs and Bulgars are Slavs, if you forgot.
"without ever achieving anything noteworthy."
Like conquering entire Europe, including your Iand? That now 1400 years later you can't get over it? xD
@@passionpassion5098 "Bulgars and the South Slavs, which resulted in their enthnogenesis."
Today's Bulgarians are a mix between the Slavic people that conquered the Balkans, and the civilian Thracian people that they mixed with, if you didn't know.
There is no such thing as "Bulgars and South Slavs", Bulgars are 1 branch of the South Slavic people.
In the same way how today's Macedonians are a mix between the Slavic people that conquered the Balkans, and the indigenous Macedonian people that used to live on this land, even before their arrival.
@@passionpassion5098 "If the heritage of ancient Macedonia does not belong only to Greece, to whom does it belong then?"
To the land right above you, who has been called *MACEDONIA* for over 2000+ years, and for a very good reason.
Go to Rome, and in one of it's parts you'll find one of the oldest Maps known to this world that ever exists. Go there, search for my land there on that map, and see what is the name written there. And then come back and tell me what you saw.
*М А К Е Д О Н И Ј А*
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Vecna!
@@golden7811 Амин
Љупчо од каде те ,,ископаа,, тебе да зборуваш ?? Предавник. Многу добро знаеш дека Македонците не беа и не се за Северна, така да ова е МАКЕДОНИЈА !
With no south macedonia we dont really need the north. Just call it Macedonia
There is a south macedonia in greece. Its a geographic location like the old kingdom. There is no macedonia language or ethnicity so no, you can't have a country north macedonia because it simply isn't.
Congratulations to a first female President of Macedonia , People’s president❤
Countries name is NORTH Macedonia dear. If not, Greece will block them from EU, request NATO boot them, remove any recognition, and possibly look into another economic embargo.
@@mydogsbutler
*М А К Е Д О Н И Ј А*
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@@IEthereaI Soon, you will clean Bulgarian homes.
@@mariamac5419 All ancient Macedonian arfiacts located in Alexander's homeland, located in Greece, is written in Greek.
In 1914 the majority of you still self-identified as Bulgarians. You were "Macedonian" in regional not ethnic sense .It's not the fault of Greek, or Bulgarians, you lie about your own history. It's the fault of fanatics like you
@@mariamac5419 Alexander the Great of Macedonian, like all ancient Macedonians, were self-identifyihng Greeks. (see Hellenistic period)
Furytells for people who are sleep
macedonia won again
Won again .... hahahaha ..... realy brainwashed
@@bulgariantimes Macedonia always wins, against Bulgaria too. Research why October 11th is a public holiday here every year.
@@golden7811 That's why you are a tiny landlocked country, with lower GDP than the total assets of the 6 richest Greeks (FORBES list). And ofcourse being forced into changing your name.
@@golden7811 That's why you are a small landlocked country, with a GDP lower than the total assets of the 6 richest Greeks (FORBES list).
@@golden7811 That's why you are a small landlocked country, with a GDP lower than the total assets of the 6 richest Greeks (FORBES list).
They won’t respect or line up. In the BEST case scenario is NORTH Macedonia purely from a geographic perspective. Don’t be stupid. You need Greece and possible be part of our country
"Ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia" = The Burger King BicMac from McDonald's 😂
before 25 centuries FILIP MACEDONIAN KINGDOM ! ! !
Macedonia win again 😂
Political scientist ?
Political mercenary. Manipulator
There is no violation
Change your country's name to France and say your dependants of Napoleon ,it's ok there is no violation 😂
@@stathispap8291 With the difference that this was Macedonian land, but France wasn't.
If I'm living in Prilep,I'm on the south of North Macedonia.
Doesn't make sense.
Full support for Macedonia.
🇲🇰
North macedonia comes losing the ending :) America decided long time ago 😂😂😂😂😂
North Macedonia is the ancient Peonians people, and after that in the century VI came Slavic people to settle down for ever and ever. Nazdravlje Makedonija ljudi 🇲🇰❤️
call your country peonia if you want
@@iwannisbalaouras1687 Paeonia was fully incorporated into Macedonia. It was Macedonia, basically. And both the term Paeonia and Paeonian got replaced with Macedonia and Macedonians.
The Paeonians were 1 fraction of the Macedonian people.
In the same way how the people from Manchester don't have to be from London in order to call themselves English.
before 25 centuries PANONIA ---- MACEDONIAN LAND.
ALEXANDER THE GREAT is born in M A K E D O N I J A ! ! !
Only the criminal zoran zaev agreed to anything for money the people said no to the name north Macedonia on a failed referendum