Thank you for bringing up the honeymoon phase after abusers are confronted. It is a hard and confusing phase as we wait cautiously to see if true change will happen. A truly repentant abuser will not rush the victim to hurry up and accept their word, but will understand that their fruits have to be shown to be good to show the true heart change.
THANK YOU..FINALLY! My understanding is we are to forgive as God forgives us. Therefore, there is no forgiveness without repentance. (UNLESS the sinner is unaware of what they have done in which case it has to be brought to their attention...affording them an opportunity to repent.) This is based on an extensive study of the Bible that I did.
I think Mike was saying there is no reconciliation without true repentance. We can forgive our spouse's sinful behavior and even the impact of it on our lives but it would not be wise to reconcile with someone who is not willing to turn away from their sin.
There is a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing. We need to start learning the right season to do things, not just blindly follow rules. If you want a full explanation of Christian forgiveness, read the 2nd chapter of A Man of High Character (free on Amazon).
Thanks Mitchell for sharing, will have a look. Sometimes someone else's view on scripture can also help change or confirm my view on a passage. May God bless you 👍
That’s like saying you must always have the same best friend. I forgive my former best friend for his flaky behavior, but unless he changes his irresponsible lifestyle, I see no reason in trying to rekindle our friendship.
I fear there is a danger of misunderstanding the nature of forgiveness here: In Mark 11:25 it says: "Whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father who is in heaven will also forgive you your transgressions." We do need to forgive, in a one-sided fashion, all who sin against us. I agree this doesn't mean acting like the sin never happened or that the relationship can always be restored as it was, but we still need to forgive.
This is definitely an interesting topic. I think forgiveness is offered to every man , so God is not a "bitter" or "resentful" God. But reconciliation and the activation of that forgiveness can't take place until the person repents. That's the best way I can understand it and apply it in my own life.
@Matthew - we need to think the verse through a little bit. The verse is not simply saying "forgive others so God will forgive you". If this was true, then all of us could get away with unrepentant murder as long as we went around forgiving everyone else who wronged us. We could say "hey God, see, I forgave everyone, you have to forgive my unrepentant gross sin!" That would be a get out of jail free card, and that's not what the verse is saying. The repentance still applies. Since God forgave us in Christ *when we repented*, we also cannot harbor anything against anyone *who has repented* to us either. Repentance is alllllll over scripture once you start looking for it. The 70x7 conversation in Luke has the phrase "IF HE REPENTS" (the phrase is absent in Matthew). The parable Jesus speaks right after that involves two people who owed money, and both of those people "begged for mercy" (i.e. repentance). In Matthew 18 when Jesus explains the steps to take with a brother/sister in the church who offends us, there is NO point at which He says "you have to forgive Him anyway" if the brother/sister does not listen. Instead, Jesus tells us to keep cranking up the pressure until we treat them as a pagan or tax collector if they don't hear us! There are numerous places where "you have to forgive them anyway" COULD have been said, but are an echo into silence in scripture. This is because unrepentant sin in the church is a serious thing. The only place where "forgive them for they know not what they do" comes into play is when dealing with unbelievers. For sins in the church, we are required to tell the person so they DO know what they did! And their repentance is required for things to be restored. The sexually immoral man in 1 Corinthians was driven out of the church, and we don't see his return until 2 Corinthians where Paul says "due to his excessive sorrow"......in other words.....repentance. Genuine contrition. Godly sorrow. I actually think this is a fascinating topic......sadly because often "you must forgive" is so misused against people who are gasping for breath in pain and can't simply let go because the sinning party skips away knowing what they did but not caring at all. I think what you are describing should be said something like "we shouldn't take vengeance against those who sin against us, we shouldn't harbor bitterness, we should put it in God's hands, we should stand *willing* to forgive if the other person repents, just like God stands ready to forgive if we come to Him" but the Biblical definition of actual forgiveness requires repentance as a pre-cursor.
The scriptures say that not only does God forgive our sins, through our repentance, but also forgets them and we are reconciled with Him through Christ. Now you can see the dilemma that divorce and remarriage presents when in comes to keeping these fundamental commands of Christ.
I love that you speak about consequences of another's choice to sin....can you teach about justice and restitution? Many times people are accused of wanting vengeance or revenge as well as being resentful, bitter, and ultimately rebellious; when they really seek and desire restitution and justice.
I have questions here too...I am filing for divorce because of recently discovered infidelity, which I had been totally unaware of for many, many years. I am confident that this divorce is justified, and I can let go of bitterness and I can hope for his repentance and change. (I don’t think it will happen, but I can hope.) What scares me is the thought that if he truly repents and changes, what do I do if I am still unmarried and he wants to come back? To really be forgiving, do I need to be open to that possibility? Gosh darn it, I don’t want to...he hurt people that were very close to me, and I don’t think I could be his wife again...I’d be remembering that. Is that a wrong attitude on my part, or is that the consequences of his actions even if he later truly repents and changes?
This was presented so beautifully Mike! It actually brought me to tears. Thank you for this teaching, while I've believed this approach to forgiveness is correct and biblical, until now I've never heard a pastor actually say it this way.
Good analysis. God doesn't call believers to be subject to abusive, harmful individuals. He requires a contrition and repentance on our part to be redeemed. It makes sense we need to forgive all but there are certain conditions around how this plays out.
Hey Mike, you said in 7:40 that no Christian could ever press charges and call the police if someone breaks into your house and steals your stuff, if indeed you would always have to forgive and restore unconditionally. But what do you say about this concerning the words of Jesus in Luke 6:27-31: "But to you who are listening i say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you." It would seem to me that, based off of Jesus's direct words here, that if some thieves came in my home, I'm supposed to sit back and let them take my stuff. "If anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back." Now, I don't have a problem with this, seeing how it's the Lords command, but there seems to be a contradiction in your words when compared to Christ. (Just to clarify, I agreed with all the other stuff you said in the video, it was just this one problem here that seemed off to me.)
I personally don't believe that you're just not supposed to do anything if people are robbing you. In the Law of Moses, it was perfectly legal for a man to kill another man if the other one broke into the man's house. That man was then guiltless of murder in front of God. I would advise you to pray about it, though, since I don't claim to have the absolute truth.
Interesting insight. But I believe that letting other people rob you, or sin or do you wrong in any way is also you sinning. You let yourself become a stumbling block to them. To forgive others does not mean you let them sin first so you could forgive them later.
@@ajlouviere202 That's called adultery and is a sin in God's eyes. While you can technically call it "stealing", If the husband did have his wife stolen by another man, he can file for a divorce. But if the woman comes back in repentance, then I personally think the relationship should be given another chance.
Mike is correct when he states that God offers no forgiveness apart from genuine repentance. There are multiple ways to prove this from scripture, but I'll just address what ought to be the most obvious example of this Biblical truth. "And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots." (Luke 23:33-34) When Jesus asked the Father to forgive those who were crucifying him, did the Father forgive them apart from repentance? Of course, the correct answer is, No, he did not. For example, we read: "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:36-38) While confronting some of those of the house of Israel who were guilty of the crucifixion of Christ, Peter plainly told them that they needed to repent in order to have their sins remitted. In other words, Christ's prayer for forgiveness from the cross didn't remove this prerequisite for Divine forgiveness. Again, we read:" "But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;" (Acts 3:14-19) Once more we see that those who killed the Prince of life needed to repent in order to have their sins blotted out, so Jesus' prayer for forgiveness from the cross in no way removed this prerequisite for Divine forgiveness. This is the pattern that we see all throughout scripture. I'll end with the words of Jesus: "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him." (Luke 17:3-4)
The teaching in this video contradicts the call for repentance of adultery, by attempting to water down the warnings given by Jesus, in regard to adultery, in Matthew 5:27-30. Why are these verses not being considered? We see Jesus give a clear warning, that echoes the commandment not to covet thy neighbors wife, in verse 28 where he says, "28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Jesus then goes on to warn of the punishment, for comitting this offense without repentance, in verses 29-30, when he says, "29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell." These are very clear warnings about the punishment for this offense, without repentance, being given just prior to Jesus providing the definition of adultery, in the context of marriage after a divorce, in Matthew 5:31-32. That is why teachings like those provided in the above video only leave more confusion and unanswered questions on this topic.
You mentioned not pressing charges against someone. Paul explicitly speaks of this at least among brothers that it would be better to be wronged than to allow non believers to judge for us.
True. But Paul’s solution is to “press charges” within the local church government and to choose to submit to their decision on the case rather than to drag fellow believers before courts. His concern isn’t related to forgiveness but to the sad image of Christianity presented to the world when we drag each other before unsaved judges to straighten out our internal discord.
@@MikeWinger right, i did not mean to ignore that distinction. Paul's solution is what Jesus said, as well. But we are also told on more than one occasion to suffer for His sake. 1 Peter 2:20, for example. Just suggesting there is a balance.
Recently I was asked by local authorities to press charges as the man doing the crime needed help and doing so according to the authorities would help him get the help he needs (he was a white man in his 50s on drugs and stealing). My position consistently with the prosecutor was for him to get help not for us to have retribution that didn't help him and the community. The emphasis for us was our community and him. If we are not careful we can become enablers.
When Jesus forgave the thief on the cross and gave him eternal life (a beautiful story), He did not spare the man of the earthly consequences of his crimes (the death penalty).
In Matthew 3, John the Baptist told them to "bear fruits in keeping with repentance", and then said that "every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire". Notice how a life bearing good fruit is cannot come without repentance. Like John, we are doing each other a favour when we exhort genuine repentance in forgiveness. But let that repentance be first and foremost before God, and then let it be evidenced daily in the fruits that are borne because of it. If we love others, this is what we will always encourage them to do.
Is divorcing a covenant spouse, and marrying another, considered to be forgiveness in God's eyes? Didn't Jesus say "but in the beginning it was not so", then say "what God has joined together no man can separate "?
@@ajlouviere202 the key is the fact, in retrospection did God join you together or was it that person's overlooking a person that is nonChristian who obviously wouldn't be living in the same view as yourself. Just because people get married doesn't mean that God always joined them together. Being equally yoked is highly important. If we are equally yoked then God joined us together.
I had to learn that I as an individual have my personal value…. To allow someone who has broken covenant repeatedly without repentance is allowing myself to be abused I don’t think God expects me to live in that toxic environment Corinthians clearly says to put out that person from fellowship
Jesus said you will be forgiven in the same way you forgive others. If you arrive at the judgment seat of Christ and he says you are forgiven but there is no room for you in heaven, and even that he has replaced you, that won’t fee like forgiveness. You keep citing not in bondage in 1 Corinthians 7:15 as if that trumps everything in verses 10-14 much less Paul’s own conclusion in verse 39 that you are “bound” until death. Ephesians 5:25 says I am to love my wife as Christ loved the church. It doesn’t say I have to love the thief in my house as Christ loved the church. If that thief does repent to me, I am obligated to forgive. But I don’t know where you get that forgiveness means people can steal from you, repent and not make restitution. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 clearly says to remain unmarried or be reconciled if there is separation. That is absolutely meaningless if 15 gives permission to not remain unmarried, much less reconcile. The Word for bondage in verse 15 and the word for bound in verse 39 are different English and Greek words. The Holy Spirit is not the spirit of confusion. He does not say you are free from the marriage in verse 15 if they simply leave and then say you are bound until death in his conclusion in verse 39. These are the confusing logical inconsistencies you have to indulge in if you start creating 5 massive loopholes for divorce and remarriage as you have. Once again, Jesus modeled love, forgiveness and reconciliation in the parable of the good shepherd and the prodigal son. In the prodigal son, the father never gave up waiting for reconciliation, he never filled the prodigals room with anyone else, and fully restored him when he returned. In the good shepherd, the shepherd is actively out seeking the lost sheep and never gives up until he finds and brings it back. This is the model we are to follow. How does, they sinned against me or abandoned me so I can just give up on them, slam the door shut, nail it closed and then find someone else to fill that space. It’s perfectly scriptural to wait for fruit of repentance. That’s taught extensively and very unpopular in the church today. But the need to wait for fruit of repentance doesn’t mean throw out the parable of the good shepherd and prodigal son because they might not come back.
You can not force people to make their marriages work or reconcile. It is apparent that you don't see this is what you are trying to do. The author has made clear most divorces are unscriptural yet you have him promoting divorce. As I read your posts there is no compassion only a fixation on how YOU all by yourself are going to end all divorce by eradicating the word from the bible. You now need to ask yourself why would God address divorce if it is a impossible action? Oh wait you can divorce but you can't ever marry another no matter what. Doesn't that also make divorce a useless action? Does God waste time addressing useless actions? When I asked you to produce the scriptures where Jesus told those remarried to divorce to repent you had nothing. When Jesus preached there were many divorced and remarried people. Why didn't he tell them to divorce to repent? When Jesus addressed the pharisees why didn't he tell them divorce is forbidden you must divorce to repent if remarried? Short simple and to the point end of the story. Its not there and Jesus further said except for immorality. I know in your world you have dismissed this and use Roman's to define marriage. It is unfortunate your past has jaded you to the point that not even Jesus could correct you. You really need to deal with the issues from your past so you can stop hauling around that painful baggage. I will pray for healing in your life.
But and if she depart, let her 1) remain unmarried, or 2) be reconciled to her husband: - 1 Corinthians 7:11 Someone can leave a marriage but from that point on they have 2 options: 1) REMAIN UNMARRIED 2) reconcile It's pretty simple. You don't need a 9 minute video to EXPLAIN AWAY the clear text.
I got a question from my son this morning regarding using astrology for prophecy, I said the Bible is against it, then he asked how the wise man used stars to tell Jesus was born. Would you please help me to answer his question? Blessings...
If a husband and wife covenant is the reflection of the relationship of Christ and his bride (the Church) then how can divorce be justified? Furthermore; how can the act of divorce, which is devoid of ANY evidences of the Fruit of the Spirit, be something that a Christ Follower should participate in or that Christ would accept? If we are to lean toward Christ-likeness on this subject then how can we possibly decide that we can meld forgiveness and divorce together?? Divorce is a closing of the door to reconciliation and restoration. If we are to reconcile to anyone besides God then would that person on this earth not be the relationship with our own spouse, the reflection of God and His people? (Eph. 5:25-32) Again.... I have tooted this horn many times here... HOLINESS. Is divorce holy? NO! We as Christ Followers should be concerned with the aspect of Holiness, and there cannot be one thing holy about divorce as divorce = unforgiveness. If we cannot forgive, then how can we expect to receive forgiveness ourselves. (Matt 6:14-15) If we are to forgive as Christ forgave us, yet we cannot even do this with our one-flesh covenant spouse then we are NOT walking in holiness, and we are NOT being Christ-like no matter how hard and life changing it may be. You cannot reconcile holiness to divorce because divorce has no aspect of forgiveness in it. "I divorce you, yet I forgive you." ?? Yeah... that doesn't add up at all. There is no love in perpetrating divorce. Mike, your teaching on this matter just continues a downward spiral and enables many to walk headlong into sin and unforgiveness. This is very disturbing. Maybe, since you are on the subject you could do a video showing the evidences of the Fruit of the Spirit and the Godliness of the act of divorce.
Is any sin holy or Christ like? You have limited yourself to divorce when all manner of sin is unholy. Is divorce now the unforgivable sin? Now show the scripture where Jesus told those remarried to divorce to repent. Don't copy and paste the entire bible just one verse will be good.
@@timsadventures1954 this discussion is about marriage and divorce, so I am addressing that. The truth is ANY sin not repented of is not forgiven/forgivable. One verse doesn't cover anything. That's the reason divorce has been taken out of context for decades In the Church. Scripture compliments and verifies scripture. Not one verse is good enough.
@@marshallbridwell6534 Short answer is no one in the entire bible told anyone remarried to divorce to repent. Now was that so hard? You are exactly right about divorce being taken out of context especially by people who promote divorce to repent. Since you have all the answers can you tell everyone where they may see you preach, where your counseling office is, where you did your missions work, would be nice to know where you got your degree in theology and bible study, and your certifications to counsel. Don't get upset I just like to know I'm getting sound counseling.
There is wisdom in knowing that while we DO forgive (relinquish the right to get even), some people are so hardened in their sin that they refuse to repent, and so keeping a marriage together when the spouse is philandering away continuously, means that restoration is not possible. Both parties must want to truly make things work...if only one spouse is willing and the other isn't...or says they are in front of a crowd, but secretly run off to cheat....well, God didn't treat Israel like "Oh sure go ahead and worship other gods...I don't care" God Bless You Ann! You sound wise to me!
difficult marriages are often caused by spirit beings operating in tht marriage.deliverance is a strong option here.hungry generation is a good church fr this
Even when there's repentance and forgiveness there still can be terrible consequences for that sin. I am reminded of how Moses pleaded with God that he might be able to enter the land of Canaan, but he was still refused, even though he had long been forgiven of his sin. And there can be terrible lifelong consequences to unfaithfulness in a marriage, even when there is repentance and forgiveness down the road. Moreover, what happens when there are unscriptural divorces and marriages with no repentance forthcoming? What will be the consequences of that?!!
This is what the scriptures say about how God views remarriage, and how it deals treacherously against a covenant spouse with whom those who remarry are still one-flesh. Malachi 2:11-16: 11“Judah has dealt treacherously, and an abomination has been committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah has profaned the sanctuary of the LORD which He loves and has married the daughter of a foreign god. 12“As for the man who does this, may the LORD cut off from the tents of Jacob everyone who awakes and answers, or who presents an offering to the LORD of hosts. 13“This is another thing you do: you cover the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping and with groaning, because He no longer regards the offering or accepts it with favor from your hand. 14“Yet you say, ‘For what reason?’ Because the LORD has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant. 15“But not one has done so who has a remnant of the Spirit. And what did that one do while he was seeking a godly offspring? Take heed then to your spirit, and let no one deal treacherously against the wife of your youth. 16“For I hate divorce,” says the LORD, the God of Israel, “and him who covers his garment with wrong,” says the LORD of hosts. “So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously.”
@@ajlouviere202 Hence, the message is 'be faithful' to God and to your spouse. If not, your spouse has authority to divorce you for fornication and you will suffer the consequences (Matthew 5:31-31; 19:9).
@@aidanmcmanus2752 taking into account that a wife who was betrothed and discovered to commit fornication during the engagement process, was taken before the elders of the city and stoned to death. This freed the husband to seek another wife. This is what Deuteronomy 22:13-24 says: Marriage Violations 13If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, 14And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: 15Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: 16And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; 17And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. 18And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; 19And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. 20But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: 21Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. 22If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel. 23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; 24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
I am one of those manipulators that pretended repentance. Multiple times. Actually just from early on over and over again in little cases, but near the end, in some big cases. So, in the spirit of the boy who cried wolf, my real repentance, when it finally came, couldn’t reasonably be believed, so she had to leave. I want to say if only she saw me now, but the truth is I still have a long way to go to truly be different and I have very little proof of the change that has occurred in my heart and habits.
Hey Mike, how did Old Testament jews know about Sheol and other aspects of the afterlife because it isn’t really explained in the Bible. Did they use other books that aren’t in the Bible?
Thank you for stating things realistically. Luke 17:3-4 3 Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.” "If your brother sins against you, REBUKE him; and IF HE REPENTS, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I REPENT,’ you shall forgive him.”
So if I confronted my wife on the adultery with a genuine heart to try and work through it if she had been honest but if she continued to lied while looking me in the eye denying it then my grounds for divorce would be fair if I understand that correctly?
I’m think the answer is “yes” but I would encourage you to meet with some godly leaders you trust and give them the whole story and seek their counsel.
@@MikeWinger aren't you presenting yourself as godly counsel, in this video, or is this just for discussion? Are you confident that you heard from God regarding the topic of remarriage after a divorce?
@@timsadventures1954 what is your interpretation of the following scriptures in Mark 10: 11-12: 11And He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; 12and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.”
I divorced my husband who was never a companion during a 30 year marriage. He found companionship with a girl half our age. He never repented, but I never sought revenge. I simply left. It seems that it has helped our family a that there was not vindictiveness or punitive action. So I guess it was a sort of forgiveness at a distance.
I agree true repentance must take place before reconciliation however, the problem is in assuming the word 'divorce' necessarily ends a covenant marriage both legally and spiritually. The early church almost unanimously understood 'divorce' in the case of fornication in Matthew 19:9 to mean separation of bed ONLY----this of course assuming the marriage was covenant to begin with......there is absolutely no permission to remarry.......why? -----because the marriage bond is not broken even after a 'justified' divorce. The OT and NT are consistent in this teaching. The other popular interpretation of Matthew 19:9 says the following: * whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery.” That simple. Covenant breaking ultimately is because people do not want to suffer……..they flee it and then because they flee it, the Lord is not able to conform them in His image…….they do not want to die to self for the good of the kingdom and others, they want to live--for themselves. Unfortunately, they do not want to be partakers in the sufferings of Christ…….. Christians SHOULD be LONG suffering, knowing that if they do not “grow weary in well doing”, there WILL be a reward.
Tatiana....Here is the message behind most of your posts...” All remarried people are going to hell and I just want to be the one to share it with y’all”
@Splat the roadkill Cat People enter in to marriage lightly, not knowing or excusing their future spouse. It is my fault if I disregard warnings and cross the road without looking. I could be fortunate, but I am more likely to end up a roadkill cat.
In Deutronomy 24 the marriage bond was broken, unless the woman in deutronomy 24 has a marriage covenant bond with the former and the new husband, in which that is bigamy. So clearly this is wrong to say that OT teaches marriage is impossible to break.
Hey Mike I was wondering what does the Bible say about modern priesthood. Does priesthood have to be given or obtained? Or do we need a priest at all? What are your thoughts. Thank you.
Well priest is the subjects of jesus but we also must becarefull of what their are teaching we must check in the bible and watch also if they are not the same wether you want to advise him and leave or just leave him and pray for him Also priest is needed to make a ritual mass and it is our traditions to god to worship god in sunday the day he resurrected and this has been done since the time of the apostles Also it has been upgraded through time to match it more to the bible Well even though not evryone can follow it becuase it requires true love disciplines to follow gods rule Check more in the bible especially my favourite Lucas
A priest is someone who has direct access to God. Every single Christian has direct access to God. A saint is someone who is set aside to God, sanctified. Every single Christian is a saint.
@@carljones8334 ...I agree! As long as they are truly Christian, not just in name only. I was one of those till almost 40 years old, then Jesus really got a hold of me! God bless you, my brother!
Mike, have you explained in any of your videos what the prayers of both Jesus and Stephan mean - “Father forgive them for they don’t know what they do”
The only person who has suggested this to me is a man named Mark, who is clearly demonized. My answer to him was that I've tried *it* (not DMT, but some of the other "paths" he mentioned) and nothing satisfies. Pleasure is meant to point to our creator, not replace him.
There is difficult marriage, and there is destructive marriage! Mike, would you be open to reading a book? "The Emotionally Destructive Marriage" by Leslie Vernick. I found it helpful to my situation, but would like to hear a critic from a pastor's point of view.
There is definitely a difference between a difficult and a destructive/abusive marriage. The advice can’t be the same for the two different situations.
@@timsadventures1954 here to stalk me on a new thread, Tim? The bible is the only thing that should be read on this topic, not what attempts to refute it.
@@ajlouviere202 So you didn't read the book? Once again your supposition trumps real life. Did you know when doctors first started operating on people it was thought to be something of the devil? Then again you were not there to tell them what they could or could not read or do. Over and over you add your two cents of your worthless opinion. By the way 30.
I’m a widow, so I don’t really have to deal with this hard topic on a personal level, but I am curious to see whether you address the issue of domestic abuse in a marriage. If I was married to someone who was physically and psychologically and emotionally abusing me, there is an extremely good chance I would’ve filed for divorce and never looked back. Tolerating that is unacceptable. I don’t care if you’re a Christian or not. One spouse doesn’t get to beat up another one and get away with it. You can forgive and not be married. I also think it would be incredibly sadistic to tell the one who left the abuse that they could never have another relationship again. That’s just sick.
What is your interpretation of the following verses? Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge (Hebrews 13:4). 1Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter (Romans 7:1-6). 39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord (1 Corinthians 7:39).
@@timsadventures1954 the divorce and remarriage for adultery doctrine is based solely on the supposed guilt of the wife in Matthew 5:32, and Matthew 19:9. However, the wife in Matthew 5:31-32 is clearly not guilty of fornication because the Jews that Jesus was speaking to were still living under the law, and if fornication was discovered, there was a moral obligation to report the offender according to Deuteronomy 22:13-24. The wife, who would have been found guilty of fornication, was subsequently stoned to death, according to the law, which had still governed the Jews up until Christ's death on the cross. The same for a woman caught in adultery, according to Leviticus 20:10. How could a wife, guilty of fornication, or adultery, under the law of Moses, be given a writing of divorcement and be caused to commit adultery with whosoever marries her, that is divorced? Jesus is clear, in these examples, that the wife is not guilty of fornication, but is still caused to commit adultery if she marries another man now that she is divorced. This is the only way that Matthew 5:31-32, and Matthew 19:9 keep harmony with Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39. Unlike the synoptic gospels of Mark and Luke, which were written to evangelize the Gentiles, Matthew was written to the Jews, and has of 24 characteristics that identify it as intended for the house of Israel. The ancient Jews called the betrothed (engaged) "husband" and "wife" according to Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Matthew 1:18-25, and Luke 2:5-7. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) was never for fornication or adultery. Allowing those guilty of fornication and adultery to remain living and become a prospect for remarriage was against the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-24 and Leviticus 20:10, which commanded that those who were found guilty of fornication and adultery be put away from Israel, and stoned to death. The law of Moses was not given to the world, only to the Jews. From the exodus, to Christ's death on the cross, the law of Moses governed the Jewish people. But when Jesus died on the cross, he caused the Jews to be dead to the law of Moses so they could be joined to Christ under a New Covenant. This is what Jesus's fulfillment of the law of Moses, including Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage), means. Paul gave several warnings to Christian believers against keeping the law of Moses over following Christ and his commands under the New Covenant with Christ. Keeping the whole law is no longer possible for those in Israel and that is why Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed. These scriptures make it clear that if you choose the law over Christ, that you must keep the whole law: Romans 7:4, Galatians 3:1-9, Galatians 3:10-29, Galatians 4:1-7, Galatians 4:21-31, and Galatians 5:1-15. Being unequally yoked to unbelievers is not a cause for divorce, once two become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, according to 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. Many one-flesh covenant marriages between unbelievers are recognized by God in the scriptures, most notably the marriage covenants between Herodias and King Herod's brother Philip, Potiphar and his wife, Ahab and Jezebel, and Ruth to her deceased husband Mahlon by Boaz when he took her to be his wife. Some are teaching that 1 Corinthians 7:15 implies that those who are abandoned by the unbeliever, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way they word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not under bondage," which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, when this is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 has the Apostle Paul giving permission to remarry do not understand that the abandoned husband in 1 Corinthians 7:11 is expected to also remain unmarried, in order to be reconciled with his wife. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh in marriage puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, by implying that he has issued an opposing command. Some also teach that 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 is referring to both divorced men and virgin women, and not exclusively to men and women (virgins) who have never been married. This has been falsely taught for some time in churches as referring to anyone who is not currently in a marriage, which, for them, also includes those who are divorced. This is a very false assumption, and puts these verses in a different context, that is at odds with both the teachings of Christ and the apostle Paul. We see Paul refer to virgins, which signifies the unmarried who have never before been wed, which is the proper context here. We see Paul saying clearly that it is good for virgins, which is also speaking to never before wed men here, "that it is good for a man so to be." He goes on to say, "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." Who is he referring to here? Men who, like himself, have never married. The word "bound", in these verses, is a clear reference to betrothal (engagement) and not to a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The ancient Jews were considered bound as husband and wife during the betrothal (espousal/engagement) before becoming one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, through consummation. This is affirmed by the context of the term "bound" seen in Numbers 30:14-16. The Jewish couples in ancient Israel, who were betrothed (engaged) were also bound together until death, either by execution for fornication, or by other causes. Then Paul says, "But and if thou marry, thou has not sinned", which is who? The men who had never married in the congregation at Corinth. So he begins with verses 25-26 speaking exclusively to men that have never married. Paul then says, "and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned", which is speaking directly in regard to virgin women who have never been married, within the congregation, not divorced women. Notice that verse 34 says, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." Paul speaks plainly when he says "there is a difference between a wife and a virgin." Paul goes on to say, "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." This is speaking of a virgin who has become of age to bear children when it says, "let them marry." This is a clear command, to a single man, who has taken a virgin to be his wife. Paul then says, "Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." This is referring again to the single man who decides it is better not to marry, but to stay betrothed (engaged), under the present distress, by saying that he "hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin." Paul then says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better", which again means single men, in the congregation, who have betrothed a wife, do well if they marry, and those who choose not to marry their virgin brides do better, under the current climate. For more proper context of the word "bound", let's look further down in this chapter to verse 39, which says, "39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Corinthians 7:39). For so long, these scriptures, between verses 25-38, have been twisted and used to enable divorce and remarriage, by wayward churches and teachers, and have caused many to stumble and to be trapped in unscriptural unions. The use of the woman at the well, in regard to marriage, falsely implies that Christ was endorsing remarriage after a divorce. This teaching is in defiance of Matthew 22:23-28, which shows a woman who had been widowed seven times, and entered into each subsequent marriage without any scriptural conflicts with God's law of marriage (one-flesh covenant) seen in Genesis 2:23-24. Mark 10:1-12 and Matthew 19:1-12 both record Christ's teaching that day beyond the Jordan. There is no mention of the words "fornication", "writing of divorcement", or "divorced" in Mark's Gospel, because Mark was not written to the Jews (as Matthew's Gospel was), but to evangelize the Romans and Greeks, who had no knowledge of the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22 or Deuteronomy 24. All of these facts draw a clear understanding that remarriage after a divorce, under the New Covenant with Christ, is a scripturally false and baseless teaching. Please use wisdom when living in any situation against what the scriptures command.
@@timsadventures1954 16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another (Galatians 5:16-26).
ALWAYS FORGIVE is unbiblical (see matthew 18 and 1 cor 5)... and Matthew 23:23 weightier matters of the law "justice, mercy and faith"... mercy without justice is not mercy. Mercy/Forgiveness is to be extended to those who "repent". otherwise we follow a different standard than Christ. Not all are forgiven by Jesus, but it is available to all.
So when Jesus forgave the woman caught in the very act of adultery, the one who under Jewish law was deserving of being stoned to death, He showed her mercy. Was Jesus wrong to forgive, despite there being no evidence of repentance?
The divorce and remarriage for adultery doctrine is based solely on the supposed guilt of the wife in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9. However, the wife, in the above scriptures, is clearly not guilty of fornication because the Jews (that Jesus was speaking to) were still living under the law, and if fornication was discovered, there was a moral obligation to report the offender according to Deuteronomy 22:13-24. The wife, who would have been found guilty of fornication, was subsequently stoned to death, according to the law, which had still governed the Jews up until Christ's death on the cross. The same for a woman caught in adultery, according to Leviticus 20:10. How could a wife, guilty of fornication, or adultery, under the law of Moses, be given a writing of divorcement and be caused to commit adultery with whosoever marries her, that is divorced? Jesus is clear, in these examples, that the wife is not guilty of fornication, but is still caused to commit adultery if she marries another man now that she is divorced. This is the only way that Matthew 5:31-32, and Matthew 19:9 keep harmony with Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39. Unlike the synoptic gospels of Mark and Luke, which were written to evangelize the Gentiles, Matthew was written to the Jews, and has of 24 characteristics that identify it as intended for the house of Israel. The ancient Jews called the betrothed (engaged) "husband" and "wife" according to Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Matthew 1:18-25, and Luke 2:5-7. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) was never for fornication or adultery. Allowing those guilty of fornication and adultery to remain living and become a prospect for remarriage was against the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-24 and Leviticus 20:10, which commanded that those who were found guilty of fornication and adultery be put away from Israel, and stoned to death. The law of Moses was not given to the world, only to the Jews. From the exodus, to Christ's death on the cross, the law of Moses governed the Jewish people. Christ's death on the cross caused the Jews to become dead to the law of Moses, so they could be joined to Christ under a New Covenant. This is what Jesus's fulfillment of the law of Moses, including Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage), means. Paul gave several warnings to Christian believers against keeping the ordinances of law of Moses as justification, over following Christ and his commands under the New Covenant with Christ. Keeping the ordinances of the law is no longer possible, for Israel, and that is why Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed. These scriptures make it clear that if you choose the law over Christ, that you must keep the whole law: Romans 7:4, Galatians 3:1-9, Galatians 3:10-29, Galatians 4:1-7, Galatians 4:21-31, and Galatians 5:1-15. Being unequally yoked to unbelievers is not a cause for divorce, once two become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, according to 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. Many one-flesh covenant marriages between unbelievers are recognized by God in the scriptures, most notably the marriage covenants between Herodias and King Herod's brother Philip, Potiphar and his wife, Ahab and Jezebel, and Ruth to her deceased husband Mahlon by Boaz when he took her to be his wife. Some are teaching that 1 Corinthians 7:15 implies that those who are abandoned, by an unbelieving spouse, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way some translations word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not enslaved" which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, which is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 shows the Apostle Paul giving those who are abandoned permission to remarry, do not understand the command that Christ gives is to an abandoned husband, in 1 Corinthians 7:11, and that he "must not divorce" his wife, and his wife is commanded to "remain unmarried or else be reconciled" to her husband. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh, due to one's unbelief, puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, and himself, by implying that Paul has issued an opposing command to verses 10-14 in verse 15. Some also teach that 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 is referring to both divorced men and virgin women, and not exclusively to men and women (virgins) who have never been married. This has been falsely taught for some time in churches as referring to anyone who is not currently in a marriage, which, for them, also includes those who are divorced. This is a very false assumption, and puts these verses in a different context, that is at odds with both the teachings of Christ and the apostle Paul. We see Paul refer to virgins, which signifies the unmarried who have never before been wed, which is the proper context here. We see Paul saying clearly that it is good for virgins, which is also speaking to never before wed men here, "that it is good for a man so to be." He goes on to say, "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." Who is he referring to here? Men who, like himself, have never married. The word "bound", in these verses, is a clear reference to betrothal (engagement) and not to a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The ancient Jews were considered bound as husband and wife during the betrothal (espousal/engagement) before becoming one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, through consummation. This is affirmed by the context of the term "bound" seen in Numbers 30:14-16. The Jewish couples in ancient Israel, who were betrothed (engaged) were also bound together until death, either by execution for fornication, or by other causes. Then Paul says, "But and if thou marry, thou has not sinned", which is who? The men who had never married in the congregation at Corinth. So he begins with verses 25-26 speaking exclusively to men that have never married. Paul then says, "and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned", which is speaking directly in regard to virgin women who have never been married, within the congregation, not divorced women. Notice that verse 34 says, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." Paul speaks plainly when he says "there is a difference between a wife and a virgin." Paul goes on to say, "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." This is speaking of a virgin who has become of age to bear children when it says, "let them marry." This is a clear command, to a single man, who has taken a virgin to be his wife. Paul then says, "Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." This is referring again to the single man who decides it is better not to marry, but to stay betrothed (engaged), under the present distress, by saying that he "hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin." Paul then says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better", which again means single men, in the congregation, who have betrothed a wife, do well if they marry, and those who choose not to marry their virgin brides do better, under the current climate. For more proper context of the word "bound", let's look further down in this chapter to verse 39, which says, "39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Corinthians 7:39). For so long, these scriptures, between verses 25-38, have been twisted and used to enable divorce and remarriage, by wayward churches and teachers, and have caused many to stumble and to be trapped in unscriptural unions. The use of the woman at the well, in regard to marriage, falsely implies that Christ was endorsing remarriage after a divorce. This teaching is in defiance of Matthew 22:23-28, which shows a woman who had been widowed seven times, and entered into each subsequent marriage without any scriptural conflicts with God's law of marriage (one-flesh covenant) seen in Genesis 2:23-24. Mark 10:1-12 and Matthew 19:1-12 both record Christ's teaching that day beyond the Jordan. There is no mention of the words "fornication", "writing of divorcement", or "divorced" in Mark's Gospel because Mark was not written to the Jews (as Matthew's Gospel was), but to evangelize the Romans, and likewise Luke to evangelize the Greeks, who had no knowledge of the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22 or Deuteronomy 24. All of these facts draw a clear understanding that remarriage after a divorce, under the New Covenant with Christ, is a scripturally false and baseless teaching. Please use wisdom when living in any situation against what the scriptures command.
Hi Mike, thanks for this. I'm struggling a little with it as there are people I need to forgive who won't ever change, or even who I won't see again, or who are now dead. RT Kendalls 'Total Forgiveness' teaches differently when it comes to this, what are you views on this?
This calls for wisdom.....forgiveness and reconciliation are two different things. We are called to forgive, but not always called to reconcile. If POSSIBLE, we try to reconcile....but if the other person refuses...well, I'll I can say is... did Jesus reconcile with the Pharisee's, did Moses reconcile with Pharoh? Draw close to God and pour your heart out to Him, He will know the heart of the other person and how hard-hearted they are (or were). Matthew 10 btw, RT Kendall does delve a little into the charismatic-mystical-New Apostolic Reformation movement...tread cautiously!!
I have forgiven my mother, who is deceased, for past actions that have negatively affected me. I can not reconcile to her since she is no longer living, but it has healed me of past wounds and bitterness and allowed me to move on. I’m also now free to love her as I should, being that she is my mother.
﴿وَلَقَد آتَينا لُقمانَ الحِكمَةَ أَنِ اشكُر لِلَّهِ وَمَن يَشكُر فَإِنَّما يَشكُرُ لِنَفسِهِ وَمَن كَفَرَ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَنِيٌّ حَميدٌ﴾ [لقمان: ١٢] And We had certainly given Luqmān wisdom [and said], "Be grateful to Allāh." And whoever is grateful is grateful for [the benefit of] himself. And whoever denies [His favor] - then indeed, Allāh is Free of need and Praiseworthy. - Saheeh International ﴿وَإِذ قالَ لُقمانُ لِابنِهِ وَهُوَ يَعِظُهُ يا بُنَيَّ لا تُشرِك بِاللَّهِ إِنَّ الشِّركَ لَظُلمٌ عَظيمٌ﴾ [لقمان: ١٣] And [mention, O Muḥammad], when Luqmān said to his son while he was instructing him, "O my son, do not associate [anything] with Allāh. Indeed, association [with Him] is great injustice." - Saheeh International ﴿وَوَصَّينَا الإِنسانَ بِوالِدَيهِ حَمَلَتهُ أُمُّهُ وَهنًا عَلى وَهنٍ وَفِصالُهُ في عامَينِ أَنِ اشكُر لي وَلِوالِدَيكَ إِلَيَّ المَصيرُ﴾ [لقمان: ١٤] And We have enjoined upon man [care] for his parents. His mother carried him, [increasing her] in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning is in two years. Be grateful to Me and to your parents; to Me is the [final] destination. - Saheeh International ﴿وَإِن جاهَداكَ عَلى أَن تُشرِكَ بي ما لَيسَ لَكَ بِهِ عِلمٌ فَلا تُطِعهُما وَصاحِبهُما فِي الدُّنيا مَعروفًا وَاتَّبِع سَبيلَ مَن أَنابَ إِلَيَّ ثُمَّ إِلَيَّ مَرجِعُكُم فَأُنَبِّئُكُم بِما كُنتُم تَعمَلونَ﴾ [لقمان: ١٥] But if they endeavor to make you associate with Me that of which you have no knowledge, do not obey them but accompany them in [this] world with appropriate kindness and follow the way of those who turn back to Me [in repentance]. Then to Me will be your return, and I will inform you about what you used to do. - Saheeh International ﴿يا بُنَيَّ إِنَّها إِن تَكُ مِثقالَ حَبَّةٍ مِن خَردَلٍ فَتَكُن في صَخرَةٍ أَو فِي السَّماواتِ أَو فِي الأَرضِ يَأتِ بِهَا اللَّهُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَطيفٌ خَبيرٌ﴾ [لقمان: ١٦] [And Luqmān said], "O my son, indeed if it [i.e., a wrong] should be the weight of a mustard seed and should be within a rock or [anywhere] in the heavens or in the earth, Allāh will bring it forth. Indeed, Allāh is Subtle and Aware. - Saheeh International ﴿يا بُنَيَّ أَقِمِ الصَّلاةَ وَأمُر بِالمَعروفِ وَانهَ عَنِ المُنكَرِ وَاصبِر عَلى ما أَصابَكَ إِنَّ ذلِكَ مِن عَزمِ الأُمورِ﴾ [لقمان: ١٧] O my son, establish prayer, enjoin what is right, forbid what is wrong, and be patient over what befalls you. Indeed, [all] that is of the matters [requiring] resolve. - Saheeh International ﴿وَلا تُصَعِّر خَدَّكَ لِلنّاسِ وَلا تَمشِ فِي الأَرضِ مَرَحًا إِنَّ اللَّهَ لا يُحِبُّ كُلَّ مُختالٍ فَخورٍ﴾ [لقمان: ١٨] And do not turn your cheek [in contempt] toward people and do not walk through the earth exultantly. Indeed, Allāh does not like everyone self-deluded and boastful. - Saheeh International ﴿وَاقصِد في مَشيِكَ وَاغضُض مِن صَوتِكَ إِنَّ أَنكَرَ الأَصواتِ لَصَوتُ الحَميرِ﴾ [لقمان: ١٩] And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice; indeed, the most disagreeable of sounds is the voice of donkeys." - Saheeh International
I accidently say a blasphemous word towards jesus and confess it by sayog jesus was terror but i dont know how i can say that in my thoughts am I wrong brothers i was just thinking of how can i pray to god and preach hos word and this accidentally came did i blasphemed the holy spirit please ask and tell me from the holy spirit of yours at least tells me the truth i need it
Hi shaneley, I don't think we need to be afraid something accidental like this as he sees your heart. I pray you'd be able to find peace in him about this.
In my belief turning the other cheek forgiving 70x7 loving your neighbor as yourself loving your enemies feeding and clothing them picking up your cross and carrying it the spirit of what I get from that is that we are supposed to love even unto our own death that maybe even in our own death and the remorse that comes from our death might actually be the tool or impetus for someone else's salvation, who are we to know the perfect will of God? when it means to love one another as I have loved you for Christ died not only for those who loved him and knew him but Christ died for his enemies who hated it and sought out his destruction and we are supposed to follow in his footsteps. so being married to somebody where your flesh and their flesh become one how can you hate your own flesh how can you develop hardness of heart against your own flesh how much more are we supposed to love that person when we are called to even love our enemies? Some would say that I am out of my mind and I know not the truth but that's what my heart says to me and that is my understanding of what Jesus was trying to get across to all of us to all of mankind and it would be a much different world if everyone loved that deeply. Thank you Pastor Mike once again for another great teaching
I understand and i dont think that a marriage has to be restored as the only means of forgiveness, but how do you reconcile that vuew with Jesus saying forgive them father they know not what they do? Doesnt that show Jesus didnt expect a change of heart for God to forgive them?
The commands of Christ are what the believer should abide in at all times. How can anyone who divorces and remaries another also abide in the commands to repent, forgive, and remain unmarried or be reconciled?
A divorced man is still a man with one wife, but not one who has married another. The scriptures in regard to being the husband of one wife, are written in order that those in ministry not cause others to stumble but to be an example of what faith in the Lord is by remaining faithful to their vows.
Two questions. You may have answered them, and in that case, I need clarification please. 1. Does this mean a spouse is obligated to get a divorce if their spouse does not repent? 2. Does this mean we don't have to forgive anyone unless they repent? Thank you!
@@saviogonsalvez202 what is being taught in this video, in regard to 1 Corinthians 7:15, implies that those who are abandoned, by an unbelieving spouse, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way some translations word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not enslaved" which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, which is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 shows the Apostle Paul giving those who are abandoned permission to remarry, do not understand the command that Christ gives is to an abandoned husband, in 1 Corinthians 7:11, and that he "must not divorce" his wife, and his wife is commanded to "remain unmarried or else be reconciled" to her husband. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh, due to one's unbelief, puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, and himself, by implying that Paul has issued an opposing command to verses 10-14 in verse 15.
@@ajlouviere202 so you haven’t watched Mike’s original video - the 3hour one when he covers this correct translations of Koine Greek and what was understood by 1st century Jews from the references in Talmud. I am new to Mike’s channel. As a student of Greek myself, I am very impressed with his commitment to exegesis not eisegesis. Bless you brother (/sister).
basically, after the covenant, of marriage has been established, there is no longer any legitimate reason to divorce, and remarry....ergo, this entire presentation, is mute..
I don't see divorce as ever an option. I know people say Jesus gives an option, but does He? Remember Joseph and Mary were espoused, not married, yet when Joseph found out Mary was pregnant, he was going to divorce her? That is the only context divorce is sanctioned in Scripture. Despite what well meaning but biblically illiterate men teach. Search the Scriptures to see if this is so. Don't just take some mans teaching as final, what does God say on this important subject. This is what Jesus was talking about, the betrothed bride being found to be pregnant. That is the only reason for divorce. It is also the only interpretation that doesn't have people jumping through hoops. "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Or is man saying he can overcome what God has done? Men, love your wives, women, learn to love your husbands. Forgive as He has forgiven you. My wife and I have been happily married for 37 years. It takes work on both sides, but God is able.
So, what you're really saying is that it's just fine and dandy for your husband, and sometimes the wife, to beat you and abuse you, as long as he/she says "I'm sorry forgive me"? Then you forgive them. Next week starts the same beating. No immorality discovered, just physical daily beatings. Does that mean you accept this concept of no divorce unless they catch THAT spouse in an immoral act? Just asking.
@@vickymartin9361 You're right, this doesn't work, trust me I tried for 9 years and ended up with the scares to prove it. It's very idealistic when you're not married to a psychopath to imagine that all it takes is another chance and another chance and endless forgiveness, this is how the abused spouse eventually ends up dead. One day you must swallow your pride and realize some people won't ever change.
@@lindseykathryn5746 @vicky martin Divorce not being permissible does not mean you can't separate for abuse, adultery etc.. People that advocate marriage permanence are not in exchange advocating for remaining in abusive marriages----please understand what is being said here.
That's great it's working for you but just look at the few comments under yours. Times change and it's ridiculous to live in fear and misery. This is Steve Anderson mentality.
@@lindseykathryn5746 Sorry you had to endure that treatment. What is overlooked in the Joseph & Mary story is that God had that situation planned long before the world began. My Grandma used to say...."You don't know a person until you live with them". Even if a person professes to be a Christian, you won't really know until after the "I Dos". Yes, there are couples who work out their relationship problems for the best but there are plenty of obituaries that say otherwise.
﴿وَيَومَ يَحشُرُهُم وَما يَعبُدونَ مِن دونِ اللَّهِ فَيَقولُ أَأَنتُم أَضلَلتُم عِبادي هؤُلاءِ أَم هُم ضَلُّوا السَّبيلَ﴾ [الفرقان: ١٧] And [mention] the Day He will gather them and that which they worship besides Allāh and will say, "Did you mislead these, My servants, or did they [themselves] stray from the way?" - Saheeh International ﴿قالوا سُبحانَكَ ما كانَ يَنبَغي لَنا أَن نَتَّخِذَ مِن دونِكَ مِن أَولِياءَ وَلكِن مَتَّعتَهُم وَآباءَهُم حَتّى نَسُوا الذِّكرَ وَكانوا قَومًا بورًا﴾ [الفرقان: ١٨] They will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for us to take besides You any allies [i.e., protectors]. But You provided comforts for them and their fathers until they forgot the message and became a people ruined." - Saheeh International ﴿فَقَد كَذَّبوكُم بِما تَقولونَ فَما تَستَطيعونَ صَرفًا وَلا نَصرًا وَمَن يَظلِم مِنكُم نُذِقهُ عَذابًا كَبيرًا﴾ [الفرقان: ١٩] So they will deny you, [disbelievers], in what you say, and you cannot avert [punishment] or [find] help. And whoever commits injustice among you - We will make him taste a great punishment. - Saheeh International ﴿وَما أَرسَلنا قَبلَكَ مِنَ المُرسَلينَ إِلّا إِنَّهُم لَيَأكُلونَ الطَّعامَ وَيَمشونَ فِي الأَسواقِ وَجَعَلنا بَعضَكُم لِبَعضٍ فِتنَةً أَتَصبِرونَ وَكانَ رَبُّكَ بَصيرًا﴾ [الفرقان: ٢٠] And We did not send before you, [O Muḥammad], any of the messengers except that they ate food and walked in the markets. And We have made some of you [people] as trial for others - will you have patience? And ever is your Lord, Seeing. - Saheeh International
I can’t agree with your “conditional” forgiveness. You said a lot of words but you certainly did not convince me with your logic or use of scripture. Our forgiveness before God is not “conditional” except, whether we receive Him or deny him. Obviously, scripture states that adultery is grounds for divorce but does not mandate it. A person is allowed to forgive the adulterer as well.
Our forgiveness and salvation before God is very much conditional. And that condition is the death of Jesus on the Cross. In other words, God has never offered a universal amnesty to all of humanity without Christ's atonement for our sin.
Incorrect. ANY sin that is not repented of is unforgivable. That's why the issue of repentance and forgiveness is such a weighty issue. We are not retroactively and proactively forgiven if we do not repent. Forgiven means forgiven so long as there is repentance.
marshall bridwell one repents when they accept what He did. The Holy Spirit then resides in that person. Repentance is to change direction. From your old way of doing things. Living in sin. To realizing He is correct. Sins are forgiven.
marshall bridwell one sometimes might know they sinned. What if you die before you repent of a certain sin? Did Jesus die for those who believe or not?
Thank you for your videos 😊 Please if possible could you make a video about the vaccination against Corona? I fear the next crime against humanity is lingering at the doorstep, forcing people to take the vaccine and abusing brothers and sisters in Africa as helpless laboratory rats Thank you so much 😊🙏
Also please pray and consider the fourth commandment KJV that Jesus created and kept. They will soon present sun day rest by Force of law as the “solution “ for all current events and crises. Come out of her My people.
Thank you for bringing up the honeymoon phase after abusers are confronted. It is a hard and confusing phase as we wait cautiously to see if true change will happen. A truly repentant abuser will not rush the victim to hurry up and accept their word, but will understand that their fruits have to be shown to be good to show the true heart change.
I needed this many many years ago but I'm glad there is access to sensible Bible teaching today. Thanks Mike Winger.
THANK YOU..FINALLY! My understanding is we are to forgive as God forgives us. Therefore, there is no forgiveness without repentance. (UNLESS the sinner is unaware of what they have done in which case it has to be brought to their attention...affording them an opportunity to repent.) This is based on an extensive study of the Bible that I did.
I think Mike was saying there is no reconciliation without true repentance. We can forgive our spouse's sinful behavior and even the impact of it on our lives but it would not be wise to reconcile with someone who is not willing to turn away from their sin.
There is a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing. We need to start learning the right season to do things, not just blindly follow rules. If you want a full explanation of Christian forgiveness, read the 2nd chapter of A Man of High Character (free on Amazon).
Read the scriptures.
Thanks Mitchell for sharing, will have a look. Sometimes someone else's view on scripture can also help change or confirm my view on a passage. May God bless you 👍
That’s like saying you must always have the same best friend. I forgive my former best friend for his flaky behavior, but unless he changes his irresponsible lifestyle, I see no reason in trying to rekindle our friendship.
I fear there is a danger of misunderstanding the nature of forgiveness here: In Mark 11:25 it says: "Whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father who is in heaven will also forgive you your transgressions." We do need to forgive, in a one-sided fashion, all who sin against us. I agree this doesn't mean acting like the sin never happened or that the relationship can always be restored as it was, but we still need to forgive.
I totally agree.
This is definitely an interesting topic. I think forgiveness is offered to every man , so God is not a "bitter" or "resentful" God. But reconciliation and the activation of that forgiveness can't take place until the person repents. That's the best way I can understand it and apply it in my own life.
@Matthew - we need to think the verse through a little bit. The verse is not simply saying "forgive others so God will forgive you". If this was true, then all of us could get away with unrepentant murder as long as we went around forgiving everyone else who wronged us. We could say "hey God, see, I forgave everyone, you have to forgive my unrepentant gross sin!" That would be a get out of jail free card, and that's not what the verse is saying. The repentance still applies. Since God forgave us in Christ *when we repented*, we also cannot harbor anything against anyone *who has repented* to us either. Repentance is alllllll over scripture once you start looking for it. The 70x7 conversation in Luke has the phrase "IF HE REPENTS" (the phrase is absent in Matthew). The parable Jesus speaks right after that involves two people who owed money, and both of those people "begged for mercy" (i.e. repentance). In Matthew 18 when Jesus explains the steps to take with a brother/sister in the church who offends us, there is NO point at which He says "you have to forgive Him anyway" if the brother/sister does not listen. Instead, Jesus tells us to keep cranking up the pressure until we treat them as a pagan or tax collector if they don't hear us! There are numerous places where "you have to forgive them anyway" COULD have been said, but are an echo into silence in scripture. This is because unrepentant sin in the church is a serious thing. The only place where "forgive them for they know not what they do" comes into play is when dealing with unbelievers. For sins in the church, we are required to tell the person so they DO know what they did! And their repentance is required for things to be restored. The sexually immoral man in 1 Corinthians was driven out of the church, and we don't see his return until 2 Corinthians where Paul says "due to his excessive sorrow"......in other words.....repentance. Genuine contrition. Godly sorrow. I actually think this is a fascinating topic......sadly because often "you must forgive" is so misused against people who are gasping for breath in pain and can't simply let go because the sinning party skips away knowing what they did but not caring at all. I think what you are describing should be said something like "we shouldn't take vengeance against those who sin against us, we shouldn't harbor bitterness, we should put it in God's hands, we should stand *willing* to forgive if the other person repents, just like God stands ready to forgive if we come to Him" but the Biblical definition of actual forgiveness requires repentance as a pre-cursor.
The scriptures say that not only does God forgive our sins, through our repentance, but also forgets them and we are reconciled with Him through Christ. Now you can see the dilemma that divorce and remarriage presents when in comes to keeping these fundamental commands of Christ.
@@ajlouviere202 , how and where exactly do you see the dilemma? Why don’t I?
I love that you speak about consequences of another's choice to sin....can you teach about justice and restitution? Many times people are accused of wanting vengeance or revenge as well as being resentful, bitter, and ultimately rebellious; when they really seek and desire restitution and justice.
I have questions here too...I am filing for divorce because of recently discovered infidelity, which I had been totally unaware of for many, many years. I am confident that this divorce is justified, and I can let go of bitterness and I can hope for his repentance and change. (I don’t think it will happen, but I can hope.)
What scares me is the thought that if he truly repents and changes, what do I do if I am still unmarried and he wants to come back? To really be forgiving, do I need to be open to that possibility? Gosh darn it, I don’t want to...he hurt people that were very close to me, and I don’t think I could be his wife again...I’d be remembering that.
Is that a wrong attitude on my part, or is that the consequences of his actions even if he later truly repents and changes?
@@karenramnath9993 adultery is not the exception, it is fornication....
@@philipbuckley759 adultery is a kind of fornication. It may even be adultery for both participants, but it is definitely fornication.
This was presented so beautifully Mike!
It actually brought me to tears. Thank you for this teaching, while I've believed this approach to forgiveness is correct and biblical, until now I've never heard a pastor actually say it this way.
Finally. I’ve seen what a mature Christian man really acts like!
God bless you Mike
Good analysis. God doesn't call believers to be subject to abusive, harmful individuals. He requires a contrition and repentance on our part to be redeemed. It makes sense we need to forgive all but there are certain conditions around how this plays out.
Hey Mike, you said in 7:40 that no Christian could ever press charges and call the police if someone breaks into your house and steals your stuff, if indeed you would always have to forgive and restore unconditionally. But what do you say about this concerning the words of Jesus in Luke 6:27-31:
"But to you who are listening i say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you."
It would seem to me that, based off of Jesus's direct words here, that if some thieves came in my home, I'm supposed to sit back and let them take my stuff. "If anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."
Now, I don't have a problem with this, seeing how it's the Lords command, but there seems to be a contradiction in your words when compared to Christ. (Just to clarify, I agreed with all the other stuff you said in the video, it was just this one problem here that seemed off to me.)
I personally don't believe that you're just not supposed to do anything if people are robbing you. In the Law of Moses, it was perfectly legal for a man to kill another man if the other one broke into the man's house. That man was then guiltless of murder in front of God. I would advise you to pray about it, though, since I don't claim to have the absolute truth.
Interesting insight. But I believe that letting other people rob you, or sin or do you wrong in any way is also you sinning. You let yourself become a stumbling block to them. To forgive others does not mean you let them sin first so you could forgive them later.
What if someone takes another's wife? Is he still a thief in the sight of God?
@@ajlouviere202 of course, and an adulterer
@@ajlouviere202 That's called adultery and is a sin in God's eyes. While you can technically call it "stealing", If the husband did have his wife stolen by another man, he can file for a divorce. But if the woman comes back in repentance, then I personally think the relationship should be given another chance.
Repentance happens once a person turns to Him. To change direction.
Hey mike this is unrelated but what is your position on the book of Enoch and could you do a video about it?
Mike is correct when he states that God offers no forgiveness apart from genuine repentance. There are multiple ways to prove this from scripture, but I'll just address what ought to be the most obvious example of this Biblical truth.
"And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots." (Luke 23:33-34)
When Jesus asked the Father to forgive those who were crucifying him, did the Father forgive them apart from repentance?
Of course, the correct answer is, No, he did not.
For example, we read:
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:36-38)
While confronting some of those of the house of Israel who were guilty of the crucifixion of Christ, Peter plainly told them that they needed to repent in order to have their sins remitted. In other words, Christ's prayer for forgiveness from the cross didn't remove this prerequisite for Divine forgiveness.
Again, we read:"
"But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;" (Acts 3:14-19)
Once more we see that those who killed the Prince of life needed to repent in order to have their sins blotted out, so Jesus' prayer for forgiveness from the cross in no way removed this prerequisite for Divine forgiveness.
This is the pattern that we see all throughout scripture.
I'll end with the words of Jesus:
"Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him." (Luke 17:3-4)
The teaching in this video contradicts the call for repentance of adultery, by attempting to water down the warnings given by Jesus, in regard to adultery, in Matthew 5:27-30. Why are these verses not being considered? We see Jesus give a clear warning, that echoes the commandment not to covet thy neighbors wife, in verse 28 where he says, "28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Jesus then goes on to warn of the punishment, for comitting this offense without repentance, in verses 29-30, when he says, "29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell." These are very clear warnings about the punishment for this offense, without repentance, being given just prior to Jesus providing the definition of adultery, in the context of marriage after a divorce, in Matthew 5:31-32. That is why teachings like those provided in the above video only leave more confusion and unanswered questions on this topic.
You mentioned not pressing charges against someone. Paul explicitly speaks of this at least among brothers that it would be better to be wronged than to allow non believers to judge for us.
True. But Paul’s solution is to “press charges” within the local church government and to choose to submit to their decision on the case rather than to drag fellow believers before courts. His concern isn’t related to forgiveness but to the sad image of Christianity presented to the world when we drag each other before unsaved judges to straighten out our internal discord.
@@MikeWinger right, i did not mean to ignore that distinction. Paul's solution is what Jesus said, as well.
But we are also told on more than one occasion to suffer for His sake. 1 Peter 2:20, for example.
Just suggesting there is a balance.
Recently I was asked by local authorities to press charges as the man doing the crime needed help and doing so according to the authorities would help him get the help he needs (he was a white man in his 50s on drugs and stealing). My position consistently with the prosecutor was for him to get help not for us to have retribution that didn't help him and the community. The emphasis for us was our community and him. If we are not careful we can become enablers.
Divorce is not forgiveness.
Thank you so much for clarifying this topic.🙏🏻
My husband has been having multiple affairs since we got married and won’t stop. I left. God allows divorce in some circumstances.
This was great advice. It helps with any relationship, not just marriage.
When Jesus forgave the thief on the cross and gave him eternal life (a beautiful story), He did not spare the man of the earthly consequences of his crimes (the death penalty).
In Matthew 3, John the Baptist told them to "bear fruits in keeping with repentance", and then said that "every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire". Notice how a life bearing good fruit is cannot come without repentance. Like John, we are doing each other a favour when we exhort genuine repentance in forgiveness. But let that repentance be first and foremost before God, and then let it be evidenced daily in the fruits that are borne because of it. If we love others, this is what we will always encourage them to do.
Is divorcing a covenant spouse, and marrying another, considered to be forgiveness in God's eyes? Didn't Jesus say "but in the beginning it was not so", then say "what God has joined together no man can separate "?
@@ajlouviere202 Is fornication repentance in God's eyes? "what God has joined together not MAN separate " Jesus was no mere man, He was God with us.
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Do not respond to AJ he is a circle talker and only knows how to copy and paste scripture. The best answer is simply WHATEVER.
@@ajlouviere202 the key is the fact, in retrospection did God join you together or was it that person's overlooking a person that is nonChristian who obviously wouldn't be living in the same view as yourself. Just because people get married doesn't mean that God always joined them together. Being equally yoked is highly important. If we are equally yoked then God joined us together.
@@jenniferannfox2316 there are several pagan marriages that are recognized by God throughout the scriptures. Most notably are Herodias and Philip.
This vid brought death penalty controversies to my mind. Any teachings on that please?
I am dying to find out.
Very good teaching, would love to see you correct Geno Jennings on divorce and remarriage.
I had to learn that I as an individual have my personal value…. To allow someone who has broken covenant repeatedly without repentance is allowing myself to be abused
I don’t think God expects me to live in that toxic environment
Corinthians clearly says to put out that person from fellowship
Jesus said you will be forgiven in the same way you forgive others. If you arrive at the judgment seat of Christ and he says you are forgiven but there is no room for you in heaven, and even that he has replaced you, that won’t fee like forgiveness.
You keep citing not in bondage in 1 Corinthians 7:15 as if that trumps everything in verses 10-14 much less Paul’s own conclusion in verse 39 that you are “bound” until death.
Ephesians 5:25 says I am to love my wife as Christ loved the church. It doesn’t say I have to love the thief in my house as Christ loved the church. If that thief does repent to me, I am obligated to forgive. But I don’t know where you get that forgiveness means people can steal from you, repent and not make restitution.
1 Corinthians 7:10-11 clearly says to remain unmarried or be reconciled if there is separation. That is absolutely meaningless if 15 gives permission to not remain unmarried, much less reconcile. The Word for bondage in verse 15 and the word for bound in verse 39 are different English and Greek words. The Holy Spirit is not the spirit of confusion. He does not say you are free from the marriage in verse 15 if they simply leave and then say you are bound until death in his conclusion in verse 39.
These are the confusing logical inconsistencies you have to indulge in if you start creating 5 massive loopholes for divorce and remarriage as you have.
Once again, Jesus modeled love, forgiveness and reconciliation in the parable of the good shepherd and the prodigal son.
In the prodigal son, the father never gave up waiting for reconciliation, he never filled the prodigals room with anyone else, and fully restored him when he returned. In the good shepherd, the shepherd is actively out seeking the lost sheep and never gives up until he finds and brings it back.
This is the model we are to follow. How does, they sinned against me or abandoned me so I can just give up on them, slam the door shut, nail it closed and then find someone else to fill that space.
It’s perfectly scriptural to wait for fruit of repentance. That’s taught extensively and very unpopular in the church today. But the need to wait for fruit of repentance doesn’t mean throw out the parable of the good shepherd and prodigal son because they might not come back.
What Mike teaches is NOT biblical. I agree absolutely about what you said about forgiveness.
You can not force people to make their marriages work or reconcile. It is apparent that you don't see this is what you are trying to do. The author has made clear most divorces are unscriptural yet you have him promoting divorce. As I read your posts there is no compassion only a fixation on how YOU all by yourself are going to end all divorce by eradicating the word from the bible.
You now need to ask yourself why would God address divorce if it is a impossible action? Oh wait you can divorce but you can't ever marry another no matter what. Doesn't that also make divorce a useless action? Does God waste time addressing useless actions? When I asked you to produce the scriptures where Jesus told those remarried to divorce to repent you had nothing. When Jesus preached there were many divorced and remarried people. Why didn't he tell them to divorce to repent? When Jesus addressed the pharisees why didn't he tell them divorce is forbidden you must divorce to repent if remarried? Short simple and to the point end of the story. Its not there and Jesus further said except for immorality. I know in your world you have dismissed this and use Roman's to define marriage. It is unfortunate your past has jaded you to the point that not even Jesus could correct you. You really need to deal with the issues from your past so you can stop hauling around that painful baggage.
I will pray for healing in your life.
Well answered. Thank you brother Mike!
But and if she depart, let her 1) remain unmarried, or 2) be reconciled to her husband: - 1 Corinthians 7:11
Someone can leave a marriage but from that point on they have 2 options:
1) REMAIN UNMARRIED
2) reconcile
It's pretty simple. You don't need a 9 minute video to EXPLAIN AWAY the clear text.
This also applies to relationships other than marriage, when there is an offense without repentance.
Excellent, an enlightening exposition. Thank you.💡
Mike where’s the spark gone out of your eyes ! God loves you brother look to Jesus !
What the ??
I think he recently had a death in the family unless I'm remembering incorrectly.
He did have a death. His sister pasted, and he’s probably going through a tough time.
I got a question from my son this morning regarding using astrology for prophecy, I said the Bible is against it, then he asked how the wise man used stars to tell Jesus was born. Would you please help me to answer his question? Blessings...
I've wondered this too
If a husband and wife covenant is the reflection of the relationship of Christ and his bride (the Church) then how can divorce be justified? Furthermore; how can the act of divorce, which is devoid of ANY evidences of the Fruit of the Spirit, be something that a Christ Follower should participate in or that Christ would accept? If we are to lean toward Christ-likeness on this subject then how can we possibly decide that we can meld forgiveness and divorce together?? Divorce is a closing of the door to reconciliation and restoration. If we are to reconcile to anyone besides God then would that person on this earth not be the relationship with our own spouse, the reflection of God and His people? (Eph. 5:25-32) Again.... I have tooted this horn many times here... HOLINESS. Is divorce holy? NO! We as Christ Followers should be concerned with the aspect of Holiness, and there cannot be one thing holy about divorce as divorce = unforgiveness. If we cannot forgive, then how can we expect to receive forgiveness ourselves. (Matt 6:14-15) If we are to forgive as Christ forgave us, yet we cannot even do this with our one-flesh covenant spouse then we are NOT walking in holiness, and we are NOT being Christ-like no matter how hard and life changing it may be. You cannot reconcile holiness to divorce because divorce has no aspect of forgiveness in it. "I divorce you, yet I forgive you." ?? Yeah... that doesn't add up at all. There is no love in perpetrating divorce. Mike, your teaching on this matter just continues a downward spiral and enables many to walk headlong into sin and unforgiveness. This is very disturbing. Maybe, since you are on the subject you could do a video showing the evidences of the Fruit of the Spirit and the Godliness of the act of divorce.
I agree with you marshall. Divorce should never be in the heart of a Christian.
Is any sin holy or Christ like? You have limited yourself to divorce when all manner of sin is unholy. Is divorce now the unforgivable sin? Now show the scripture where Jesus told those remarried to divorce to repent. Don't copy and paste the entire bible just one verse will be good.
@Nick G then you have a gross misunderstanding of forgiveness in the context of marriage.
@@timsadventures1954 this discussion is about marriage and divorce, so I am addressing that. The truth is ANY sin not repented of is not forgiven/forgivable. One verse doesn't cover anything. That's the reason divorce has been taken out of context for decades In the Church. Scripture compliments and verifies scripture. Not one verse is good enough.
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Short answer is no one in the entire bible told anyone remarried to divorce to repent. Now was that so hard? You are exactly right about divorce being taken out of context especially by people who promote divorce to repent. Since you have all the answers can you tell everyone where they may see you preach, where your counseling office is, where you did your missions work, would be nice to know where you got your degree in theology and bible study, and your certifications to counsel. Don't get upset I just like to know I'm getting sound counseling.
I've forgiven my xhusband, but in no way would I want to restore the marriage. I forgave him but I would never trust him again.
There is wisdom in knowing that while we DO forgive (relinquish the right to get even), some people are so hardened in their sin that they refuse to repent, and so keeping a marriage together when the spouse is philandering away continuously, means that restoration is not possible. Both parties must want to truly make things work...if only one spouse is willing and the other isn't...or says they are in front of a crowd, but secretly run off to cheat....well, God didn't treat Israel like "Oh sure go ahead and worship other gods...I don't care" God Bless You Ann! You sound wise to me!
However, this does not allow the wife to remarry while both are still living. Read Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39.
@@ajlouviere202
AJ is a circle talker do not engage him in any conversation as it is meaningless. The best answer for AJ is simply WHATEVER.
@@timsadventures1954 the question remains, Tim. Why shouldn't Jesus's words in Mark 10:11-12 be taken litterally?
@@ajlouviere202
WHATEVER!!
difficult marriages are often caused by spirit beings operating in tht marriage.deliverance is a strong option here.hungry generation is a good church fr this
Even when there's repentance and forgiveness there still can be terrible consequences for that sin. I am reminded of how Moses pleaded with God that he might be able to enter the land of Canaan, but he was still refused, even though he had long been forgiven of his sin. And there can be terrible lifelong consequences to unfaithfulness in a marriage, even when there is repentance and forgiveness down the road. Moreover, what happens when there are unscriptural divorces and marriages with no repentance forthcoming? What will be the consequences of that?!!
This is what the scriptures say about how God views remarriage, and how it deals treacherously against a covenant spouse with whom those who remarry are still one-flesh.
Malachi 2:11-16:
11“Judah has dealt treacherously, and an abomination has been committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah has profaned the sanctuary of the LORD which He loves and has married the daughter of a foreign god. 12“As for the man who does this, may the LORD cut off from the tents of Jacob everyone who awakes and answers, or who presents an offering to the LORD of hosts.
13“This is another thing you do: you cover the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping and with groaning, because He no longer regards the offering or accepts it with favor from your hand. 14“Yet you say, ‘For what reason?’ Because the LORD has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant. 15“But not one has done so who has a remnant of the Spirit. And what did that one do while he was seeking a godly offspring? Take heed then to your spirit, and let no one deal treacherously against the wife of your youth. 16“For I hate divorce,” says the LORD, the God of Israel, “and him who covers his garment with wrong,” says the LORD of hosts. “So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously.”
@@ajlouviere202 Hence, the message is 'be faithful' to God and to your spouse. If not, your spouse has authority to divorce you for fornication and you will suffer the consequences (Matthew 5:31-31; 19:9).
@@aidanmcmanus2752 taking into account that a wife who was betrothed and discovered to commit fornication during the engagement process, was taken before the elders of the city and stoned to death. This freed the husband to seek another wife.
This is what Deuteronomy 22:13-24 says:
Marriage Violations
13If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, 14And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: 15Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: 16And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; 17And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. 18And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; 19And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
20But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: 21Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
22If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; 24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
@@ajlouviere202 You must not have gotten my last memo. Deut. 22 doesn't apply to the law of Christ. The law of Moses no longer applies.
@@aidanmcmanus2752 when was the law fulfilled?
THANK YOU for this video. Forgiveness can be a choice, but it doesn’t equal restoration either.
Excellent explanation and freeing 👍🙏 Thank the Lord for your teaching gift.
I am one of those manipulators that pretended repentance. Multiple times. Actually just from early on over and over again in little cases, but near the end, in some big cases.
So, in the spirit of the boy who cried wolf, my real repentance, when it finally came, couldn’t reasonably be believed, so she had to leave.
I want to say if only she saw me now, but the truth is I still have a long way to go to truly be different and I have very little proof of the change that has occurred in my heart and habits.
Hey Mike, how did Old Testament jews know about Sheol and other aspects of the afterlife because it isn’t really explained in the Bible. Did they use other books that aren’t in the Bible?
Because they, like the apostles, knew that the book of Enoch was authentic.
Thank you for stating things realistically.
Luke 17:3-4
3 Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.”
"If your brother sins against you, REBUKE him; and IF HE REPENTS, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I REPENT,’ you shall forgive him.”
So if I confronted my wife on the adultery with a genuine heart to try and work through it if she had been honest but if she continued to lied while looking me in the eye denying it then my grounds for divorce would be fair if I understand that correctly?
I’m think the answer is “yes” but I would encourage you to meet with some godly leaders you trust and give them the whole story and seek their counsel.
@@MikeWinger aren't you presenting yourself as godly counsel, in this video, or is this just for discussion? Are you confident that you heard from God regarding the topic of remarriage after a divorce?
@@ajlouviere202
There you go again AJ, can't answer questions just make circle talking little snippets. Remember WHATEVER!!!
@@timsadventures1954 what is your interpretation of the following scriptures in Mark 10: 11-12:
11And He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; 12and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.”
@@ajlouviere202
We have been through this before and the answer for you is WHATEVER!!!
I divorced my husband who was never a companion during a 30 year marriage. He found companionship with a girl half our age. He never repented, but I never sought revenge. I simply left. It seems that it has helped our family a that there was not vindictiveness or punitive action. So I guess it was a sort of forgiveness at a distance.
I agree true repentance must take place before reconciliation however, the problem is in assuming the word 'divorce' necessarily ends a covenant marriage both legally and spiritually. The early church almost unanimously understood 'divorce' in the case of fornication in Matthew 19:9 to mean separation of bed ONLY----this of course assuming the marriage was covenant to begin with......there is absolutely no permission to remarry.......why? -----because the marriage bond is not broken even after a 'justified' divorce. The OT and NT are consistent in this teaching.
The other popular interpretation of Matthew 19:9 says the following: * whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery.”
That simple.
Covenant breaking ultimately is because people do not want to suffer……..they flee it and then because they flee it, the Lord is not able to conform them in His image…….they do not want to die to self for the good of the kingdom and others, they want to live--for themselves. Unfortunately, they do not want to be partakers in the sufferings of Christ……..
Christians SHOULD be LONG suffering, knowing that if they do not “grow weary in well doing”, there WILL be a reward.
Their reward will be in heaven. This world is not our home.
Tatiana....Here is the message behind most of your posts...” All remarried people are going to hell and I just want to be the one to share it with y’all”
@Splat the roadkill Cat People enter in to marriage lightly, not knowing or excusing their future spouse. It is my fault if I disregard warnings and cross the road without looking. I could be fortunate, but I am more likely to end up a roadkill cat.
@@Tatiana-cp1fc yeah, have to keep the eternal picture in mind.
In Deutronomy 24 the marriage bond was broken, unless the woman in deutronomy 24 has a marriage covenant bond with the former and the new husband, in which that is bigamy. So clearly this is wrong to say that OT teaches marriage is impossible to break.
Really like this explanation!! It is freeing! & makes sense!
Hey Mike I was wondering what does the Bible say about modern priesthood. Does priesthood have to be given or obtained? Or do we need a priest at all? What are your thoughts. Thank you.
Well priest is the subjects of jesus but we also must becarefull of what their are teaching we must check in the bible and watch also if they are not the same wether you want to advise him and leave or just leave him and pray for him
Also priest is needed to make a ritual mass and it is our traditions to god to worship god in sunday the day he resurrected and this has been done since the time of the apostles
Also it has been upgraded through time to match it more to the bible
Well even though not evryone can follow it becuase it requires true love disciplines to follow gods rule
Check more in the bible especially my favourite Lucas
A priest is someone who has direct access to God. Every single Christian has direct access to God.
A saint is someone who is set aside to God, sanctified. Every single Christian is a saint.
@@carljones8334 ...I agree! As long as they are truly Christian, not just in name only. I was one of those till almost 40 years old, then Jesus really got a hold of me! God bless you, my brother!
Mike, have you explained in any of your videos what the prayers of both Jesus and Stephan mean - “Father forgive them for they don’t know what they do”
While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us...
"And even if some do not obey the Word..."
Hey Mike! I have a request for a topic to touch on. Could you talk about taking psychedelics in order to experience spirituality? Asking for a friend.
The only person who has suggested this to me is a man named Mark, who is clearly demonized. My answer to him was that I've tried *it* (not DMT, but some of the other "paths" he mentioned) and nothing satisfies. Pleasure is meant to point to our creator, not replace him.
I needed to hear this.
@mikewinger do you not livestream on Tuesdays anymore?
Thank you. Very helpful.
There is difficult marriage, and there is destructive marriage! Mike, would you be open to reading a book? "The Emotionally Destructive Marriage" by Leslie Vernick. I found it helpful to my situation, but would like to hear a critic from a pastor's point of view.
There is definitely a difference between a difficult and a destructive/abusive marriage. The advice can’t be the same for the two different situations.
I think it is especially wrong for anyone to author books on this topic, in an attempt to refute the scriptures, for the interest of earning income.
I think it especially wrong for you to make this comment unless you read the book.
@@timsadventures1954 here to stalk me on a new thread, Tim? The bible is the only thing that should be read on this topic, not what attempts to refute it.
@@ajlouviere202
So you didn't read the book? Once again your supposition trumps real life. Did you know when doctors first started operating on people it was thought to be something of the devil? Then again you were not there to tell them what they could or could not read or do. Over and over you add your two cents of your worthless opinion. By the way 30.
I’m a widow, so I don’t really have to deal with this hard topic on a personal level, but I am curious to see whether you address the issue of domestic abuse in a marriage. If I was married to someone who was physically and psychologically and emotionally abusing me, there is an extremely good chance I would’ve filed for divorce and never looked back. Tolerating that is unacceptable. I don’t care if you’re a Christian or not. One spouse doesn’t get to beat up another one and get away with it. You can forgive and not be married. I also think it would be incredibly sadistic to tell the one who left the abuse that they could never have another relationship again. That’s just sick.
What is your interpretation of the following verses?
Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge (Hebrews 13:4).
1Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter (Romans 7:1-6).
39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord (1 Corinthians 7:39).
Why do you ask questions when you already have your own predetermined answers? You really need to get out of your parents basement.
@@timsadventures1954 the divorce and remarriage for adultery doctrine is based solely on the supposed guilt of the wife in Matthew 5:32, and Matthew 19:9. However, the wife in Matthew 5:31-32 is clearly not guilty of fornication because the Jews that Jesus was speaking to were still living under the law, and if fornication was discovered, there was a moral obligation to report the offender according to Deuteronomy 22:13-24. The wife, who would have been found guilty of fornication, was subsequently stoned to death, according to the law, which had still governed the Jews up until Christ's death on the cross. The same for a woman caught in adultery, according to Leviticus 20:10. How could a wife, guilty of fornication, or adultery, under the law of Moses, be given a writing of divorcement and be caused to commit adultery with whosoever marries her, that is divorced? Jesus is clear, in these examples, that the wife is not guilty of fornication, but is still caused to commit adultery if she marries another man now that she is divorced. This is the only way that Matthew 5:31-32, and Matthew 19:9 keep harmony with Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39.
Unlike the synoptic gospels of Mark and Luke, which were written to evangelize the Gentiles, Matthew was written to the Jews, and has of 24 characteristics that identify it as intended for the house of Israel.
The ancient Jews called the betrothed (engaged) "husband" and "wife" according to Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Matthew 1:18-25, and Luke 2:5-7.
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) was never for fornication or adultery. Allowing those guilty of fornication and adultery to remain living and become a prospect for remarriage was against the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-24 and Leviticus 20:10, which commanded that those who were found guilty of fornication and adultery be put away from Israel, and stoned to death.
The law of Moses was not given to the world, only to the Jews. From the exodus, to Christ's death on the cross, the law of Moses governed the Jewish people. But when Jesus died on the cross, he caused the Jews to be dead to the law of Moses so they could be joined to Christ under a New Covenant. This is what Jesus's fulfillment of the law of Moses, including Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage), means. Paul gave several warnings to Christian believers against keeping the law of Moses over following Christ and his commands under the New Covenant with Christ. Keeping the whole law is no longer possible for those in Israel and that is why Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed. These scriptures make it clear that if you choose the law over Christ, that you must keep the whole law: Romans 7:4, Galatians 3:1-9, Galatians 3:10-29, Galatians 4:1-7, Galatians 4:21-31, and Galatians 5:1-15.
Being unequally yoked to unbelievers is not a cause for divorce, once two become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, according to 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. Many one-flesh covenant marriages between unbelievers are recognized by God in the scriptures, most notably the marriage covenants between Herodias and King Herod's brother Philip, Potiphar and his wife, Ahab and Jezebel, and Ruth to her deceased husband Mahlon by Boaz when he took her to be his wife.
Some are teaching that 1 Corinthians 7:15 implies that those who are abandoned by the unbeliever, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way they word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not under bondage," which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, when this is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 has the Apostle Paul giving permission to remarry do not understand that the abandoned husband in 1 Corinthians 7:11 is expected to also remain unmarried, in order to be reconciled with his wife. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh in marriage puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, by implying that he has issued an opposing command.
Some also teach that 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 is referring to both divorced men and virgin women, and not exclusively to men and women (virgins) who have never been married. This has been falsely taught for some time in churches as referring to anyone who is not currently in a marriage, which, for them, also includes those who are divorced. This is a very false assumption, and puts these verses in a different context, that is at odds with both the teachings of Christ and the apostle Paul. We see Paul refer to virgins, which signifies the unmarried who have never before been wed, which is the proper context here. We see Paul saying clearly that it is good for virgins, which is also speaking to never before wed men here, "that it is good for a man so to be." He goes on to say, "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." Who is he referring to here? Men who, like himself, have never married. The word "bound", in these verses, is a clear reference to betrothal (engagement) and not to a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The ancient Jews were considered bound as husband and wife during the betrothal (espousal/engagement) before becoming one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, through consummation. This is affirmed by the context of the term "bound" seen in Numbers 30:14-16.
The Jewish couples in ancient Israel, who were betrothed (engaged) were also bound together until death, either by execution for fornication, or by other causes. Then Paul says, "But and if thou marry, thou has not sinned", which is who? The men who had never married in the congregation at Corinth. So he begins with verses 25-26 speaking exclusively to men that have never married. Paul then says, "and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned", which is speaking directly in regard to virgin women who have never been married, within the congregation, not divorced women. Notice that verse 34 says, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." Paul speaks plainly when he says "there is a difference between a wife and a virgin." Paul goes on to say, "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." This is speaking of a virgin who has become of age to bear children when it says, "let them marry." This is a clear command, to a single man, who has taken a virgin to be his wife. Paul then says, "Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." This is referring again to the single man who decides it is better not to marry, but to stay betrothed (engaged), under the present distress, by saying that he "hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin." Paul then says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better", which again means single men, in the congregation, who have betrothed a wife, do well if they marry, and those who choose not to marry their virgin brides do better, under the current climate. For more proper context of the word "bound", let's look further down in this chapter to verse 39, which says, "39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Corinthians 7:39). For so long, these scriptures, between verses 25-38, have been twisted and used to enable divorce and remarriage, by wayward churches and teachers, and have caused many to stumble and to be trapped in unscriptural unions.
The use of the woman at the well, in regard to marriage, falsely implies that Christ was endorsing remarriage after a divorce. This teaching is in defiance of Matthew 22:23-28, which shows a woman who had been widowed seven times, and entered into each subsequent marriage without any scriptural conflicts with God's law of marriage (one-flesh covenant) seen in Genesis 2:23-24.
Mark 10:1-12 and Matthew 19:1-12 both record Christ's teaching that day beyond the Jordan. There is no mention of the words "fornication", "writing of divorcement", or "divorced" in Mark's Gospel, because Mark was not written to the Jews (as Matthew's Gospel was), but to evangelize the Romans and Greeks, who had no knowledge of the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22 or Deuteronomy 24. All of these facts draw a clear understanding that remarriage after a divorce, under the New Covenant with Christ, is a scripturally false and baseless teaching. Please use wisdom when living in any situation against what the scriptures command.
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Answer the questions
@@timsadventures1954 16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another (Galatians 5:16-26).
@@ajlouviere202
You didn't get out of your parent's basement did you?
Please make a playlist about your marriage videos
ALWAYS FORGIVE is unbiblical (see matthew 18 and 1 cor 5)... and Matthew 23:23 weightier matters of the law "justice, mercy and faith"... mercy without justice is not mercy. Mercy/Forgiveness is to be extended to those who "repent". otherwise we follow a different standard than Christ. Not all are forgiven by Jesus, but it is available to all.
@@taripar4967 So....Jesus was wrong when He forgave those who crucified him? Was Stephen also wrong for doing the same thing?
So when Jesus forgave the woman caught in the very act of adultery, the one who under Jewish law was deserving of being stoned to death, He showed her mercy.
Was Jesus wrong to forgive, despite there being no evidence of repentance?
The divorce and remarriage for adultery doctrine is based solely on the supposed guilt of the wife in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9. However, the wife, in the above scriptures, is clearly not guilty of fornication because the Jews (that Jesus was speaking to) were still living under the law, and if fornication was discovered, there was a moral obligation to report the offender according to Deuteronomy 22:13-24. The wife, who would have been found guilty of fornication, was subsequently stoned to death, according to the law, which had still governed the Jews up until Christ's death on the cross. The same for a woman caught in adultery, according to Leviticus 20:10. How could a wife, guilty of fornication, or adultery, under the law of Moses, be given a writing of divorcement and be caused to commit adultery with whosoever marries her, that is divorced? Jesus is clear, in these examples, that the wife is not guilty of fornication, but is still caused to commit adultery if she marries another man now that she is divorced. This is the only way that Matthew 5:31-32, and Matthew 19:9 keep harmony with Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39.
Unlike the synoptic gospels of Mark and Luke, which were written to evangelize the Gentiles, Matthew was written to the Jews, and has of 24 characteristics that identify it as intended for the house of Israel.
The ancient Jews called the betrothed (engaged) "husband" and "wife" according to Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Matthew 1:18-25, and Luke 2:5-7.
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) was never for fornication or adultery. Allowing those guilty of fornication and adultery to remain living and become a prospect for remarriage was against the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-24 and Leviticus 20:10, which commanded that those who were found guilty of fornication and adultery be put away from Israel, and stoned to death.
The law of Moses was not given to the world, only to the Jews. From the exodus, to Christ's death on the cross, the law of Moses governed the Jewish people. Christ's death on the cross caused the Jews to become dead to the law of Moses, so they could be joined to Christ under a New Covenant. This is what Jesus's fulfillment of the law of Moses, including Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage), means. Paul gave several warnings to Christian believers against keeping the ordinances of law of Moses as justification, over following Christ and his commands under the New Covenant with Christ. Keeping the ordinances of the law is no longer possible, for Israel, and that is why Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed. These scriptures make it clear that if you choose the law over Christ, that you must keep the whole law: Romans 7:4, Galatians 3:1-9, Galatians 3:10-29, Galatians 4:1-7, Galatians 4:21-31, and Galatians 5:1-15.
Being unequally yoked to unbelievers is not a cause for divorce, once two become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, according to 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. Many one-flesh covenant marriages between unbelievers are recognized by God in the scriptures, most notably the marriage covenants between Herodias and King Herod's brother Philip, Potiphar and his wife, Ahab and Jezebel, and Ruth to her deceased husband Mahlon by Boaz when he took her to be his wife.
Some are teaching that 1 Corinthians 7:15 implies that those who are abandoned, by an unbelieving spouse, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way some translations word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not enslaved" which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, which is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 shows the Apostle Paul giving those who are abandoned permission to remarry, do not understand the command that Christ gives is to an abandoned husband, in 1 Corinthians 7:11, and that he "must not divorce" his wife, and his wife is commanded to "remain unmarried or else be reconciled" to her husband. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh, due to one's unbelief, puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, and himself, by implying that Paul has issued an opposing command to verses 10-14 in verse 15.
Some also teach that 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 is referring to both divorced men and virgin women, and not exclusively to men and women (virgins) who have never been married. This has been falsely taught for some time in churches as referring to anyone who is not currently in a marriage, which, for them, also includes those who are divorced. This is a very false assumption, and puts these verses in a different context, that is at odds with both the teachings of Christ and the apostle Paul. We see Paul refer to virgins, which signifies the unmarried who have never before been wed, which is the proper context here. We see Paul saying clearly that it is good for virgins, which is also speaking to never before wed men here, "that it is good for a man so to be." He goes on to say, "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." Who is he referring to here? Men who, like himself, have never married. The word "bound", in these verses, is a clear reference to betrothal (engagement) and not to a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The ancient Jews were considered bound as husband and wife during the betrothal (espousal/engagement) before becoming one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, through consummation. This is affirmed by the context of the term "bound" seen in Numbers 30:14-16.
The Jewish couples in ancient Israel, who were betrothed (engaged) were also bound together until death, either by execution for fornication, or by other causes. Then Paul says, "But and if thou marry, thou has not sinned", which is who? The men who had never married in the congregation at Corinth. So he begins with verses 25-26 speaking exclusively to men that have never married. Paul then says, "and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned", which is speaking directly in regard to virgin women who have never been married, within the congregation, not divorced women. Notice that verse 34 says, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." Paul speaks plainly when he says "there is a difference between a wife and a virgin." Paul goes on to say, "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." This is speaking of a virgin who has become of age to bear children when it says, "let them marry." This is a clear command, to a single man, who has taken a virgin to be his wife. Paul then says, "Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." This is referring again to the single man who decides it is better not to marry, but to stay betrothed (engaged), under the present distress, by saying that he "hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin." Paul then says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better", which again means single men, in the congregation, who have betrothed a wife, do well if they marry, and those who choose not to marry their virgin brides do better, under the current climate. For more proper context of the word "bound", let's look further down in this chapter to verse 39, which says, "39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Corinthians 7:39). For so long, these scriptures, between verses 25-38, have been twisted and used to enable divorce and remarriage, by wayward churches and teachers, and have caused many to stumble and to be trapped in unscriptural unions.
The use of the woman at the well, in regard to marriage, falsely implies that Christ was endorsing remarriage after a divorce. This teaching is in defiance of Matthew 22:23-28, which shows a woman who had been widowed seven times, and entered into each subsequent marriage without any scriptural conflicts with God's law of marriage (one-flesh covenant) seen in Genesis 2:23-24.
Mark 10:1-12 and Matthew 19:1-12 both record Christ's teaching that day beyond the Jordan. There is no mention of the words "fornication", "writing of divorcement", or "divorced" in Mark's Gospel because Mark was not written to the Jews (as Matthew's Gospel was), but to evangelize the Romans, and likewise Luke to evangelize the Greeks, who had no knowledge of the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22 or Deuteronomy 24. All of these facts draw a clear understanding that remarriage after a divorce, under the New Covenant with Christ, is a scripturally false and baseless teaching. Please use wisdom when living in any situation against what the scriptures command.
Especially when you have been in multiple intimate relationships without any commitment, right AJ?
Wow thank you praise God!!
Amen. And praise the Lord.
Hi Mike, thanks for this. I'm struggling a little with it as there are people I need to forgive who won't ever change, or even who I won't see again, or who are now dead. RT Kendalls 'Total Forgiveness' teaches differently when it comes to this, what are you views on this?
This calls for wisdom.....forgiveness and reconciliation are two different things. We are called to forgive, but not always called to reconcile. If POSSIBLE, we try to reconcile....but if the other person refuses...well, I'll I can say is... did Jesus reconcile with the Pharisee's, did Moses reconcile with Pharoh? Draw close to God and pour your heart out to Him, He will know the heart of the other person and how hard-hearted they are (or were). Matthew 10 btw, RT Kendall does delve a little into the charismatic-mystical-New Apostolic Reformation movement...tread cautiously!!
I have forgiven my mother, who is deceased, for past actions that have negatively affected me.
I can not reconcile to her since she is no longer living, but it has healed me of past wounds and bitterness and allowed me to move on.
I’m also now free to love her as I should, being that she is my mother.
﴿وَلَقَد آتَينا لُقمانَ الحِكمَةَ أَنِ اشكُر لِلَّهِ وَمَن يَشكُر فَإِنَّما يَشكُرُ لِنَفسِهِ وَمَن كَفَرَ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَنِيٌّ حَميدٌ﴾ [لقمان: ١٢]
And We had certainly given Luqmān wisdom [and said], "Be grateful to Allāh." And whoever is grateful is grateful for [the benefit of] himself. And whoever denies [His favor] - then indeed, Allāh is Free of need and Praiseworthy.
- Saheeh International
﴿وَإِذ قالَ لُقمانُ لِابنِهِ وَهُوَ يَعِظُهُ يا بُنَيَّ لا تُشرِك بِاللَّهِ إِنَّ الشِّركَ لَظُلمٌ عَظيمٌ﴾ [لقمان: ١٣]
And [mention, O Muḥammad], when Luqmān said to his son while he was instructing him, "O my son, do not associate [anything] with Allāh. Indeed, association [with Him] is great injustice."
- Saheeh International
﴿وَوَصَّينَا الإِنسانَ بِوالِدَيهِ حَمَلَتهُ أُمُّهُ وَهنًا عَلى وَهنٍ وَفِصالُهُ في عامَينِ أَنِ اشكُر لي وَلِوالِدَيكَ إِلَيَّ المَصيرُ﴾ [لقمان: ١٤]
And We have enjoined upon man [care] for his parents. His mother carried him, [increasing her] in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning is in two years. Be grateful to Me and to your parents; to Me is the [final] destination.
- Saheeh International
﴿وَإِن جاهَداكَ عَلى أَن تُشرِكَ بي ما لَيسَ لَكَ بِهِ عِلمٌ فَلا تُطِعهُما وَصاحِبهُما فِي الدُّنيا مَعروفًا وَاتَّبِع سَبيلَ مَن أَنابَ إِلَيَّ ثُمَّ إِلَيَّ مَرجِعُكُم فَأُنَبِّئُكُم بِما كُنتُم تَعمَلونَ﴾ [لقمان: ١٥]
But if they endeavor to make you associate with Me that of which you have no knowledge, do not obey them but accompany them in [this] world with appropriate kindness and follow the way of those who turn back to Me [in repentance]. Then to Me will be your return, and I will inform you about what you used to do.
- Saheeh International
﴿يا بُنَيَّ إِنَّها إِن تَكُ مِثقالَ حَبَّةٍ مِن خَردَلٍ فَتَكُن في صَخرَةٍ أَو فِي السَّماواتِ أَو فِي الأَرضِ يَأتِ بِهَا اللَّهُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَطيفٌ خَبيرٌ﴾ [لقمان: ١٦]
[And Luqmān said], "O my son, indeed if it [i.e., a wrong] should be the weight of a mustard seed and should be within a rock or [anywhere] in the heavens or in the earth, Allāh will bring it forth. Indeed, Allāh is Subtle and Aware.
- Saheeh International
﴿يا بُنَيَّ أَقِمِ الصَّلاةَ وَأمُر بِالمَعروفِ وَانهَ عَنِ المُنكَرِ وَاصبِر عَلى ما أَصابَكَ إِنَّ ذلِكَ مِن عَزمِ الأُمورِ﴾ [لقمان: ١٧]
O my son, establish prayer, enjoin what is right, forbid what is wrong, and be patient over what befalls you. Indeed, [all] that is of the matters [requiring] resolve.
- Saheeh International
﴿وَلا تُصَعِّر خَدَّكَ لِلنّاسِ وَلا تَمشِ فِي الأَرضِ مَرَحًا إِنَّ اللَّهَ لا يُحِبُّ كُلَّ مُختالٍ فَخورٍ﴾ [لقمان: ١٨]
And do not turn your cheek [in contempt] toward people and do not walk through the earth exultantly. Indeed, Allāh does not like everyone self-deluded and boastful.
- Saheeh International
﴿وَاقصِد في مَشيِكَ وَاغضُض مِن صَوتِكَ إِنَّ أَنكَرَ الأَصواتِ لَصَوتُ الحَميرِ﴾ [لقمان: ١٩]
And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice; indeed, the most disagreeable of sounds is the voice of donkeys."
- Saheeh International
I accidently say a blasphemous word towards jesus and confess it by sayog jesus was terror but i dont know how i can say that in my thoughts am I wrong brothers i was just thinking of how can i pray to god and preach hos word and this accidentally came did i blasphemed the holy spirit please ask and tell me from the holy spirit of yours at least tells me the truth i need it
Please help me mike
Hi shaneley, I don't think we need to be afraid something accidental like this as he sees your heart. I pray you'd be able to find peace in him about this.
In my belief turning the other cheek forgiving 70x7 loving your neighbor as yourself loving your enemies feeding and clothing them picking up your cross and carrying it the spirit of what I get from that is that we are supposed to love even unto our own death that maybe even in our own death and the remorse that comes from our death might actually be the tool or impetus for someone else's salvation, who are we to know the perfect will of God? when it means to love one another as I have loved you for Christ died not only for those who loved him and knew him but Christ died for his enemies who hated it and sought out his destruction and we are supposed to follow in his footsteps. so being married to somebody where your flesh and their flesh become one how can you hate your own flesh how can you develop hardness of heart against your own flesh how much more are we supposed to love that person when we are called to even love our enemies?
Some would say that I am out of my mind and I know not the truth but that's what my heart says to me and that is my understanding of what Jesus was trying to get across to all of us to all of mankind and it would be a much different world if everyone loved that deeply.
Thank you Pastor Mike once again for another great teaching
Great exegesis
Not related but you did a great video on different versions of the bible have you decided which one you are going to use ? thanks
He has a video reviewing all major versions of the Bible
Yes I know and he says he will be praying as to which one he will be using
@@michael21otoole007 Oh im sorry, I misunderstood your comment
divorce is an option, but the options are to reconcille or remain single....
Im sending this to my wife, thanks brother! 💪
I understand and i dont think that a marriage has to be restored as the only means of forgiveness, but how do you reconcile that vuew with Jesus saying forgive them father they know not what they do? Doesnt that show Jesus didnt expect a change of heart for God to forgive them?
The commands of Christ are what the believer should abide in at all times. How can anyone who divorces and remaries another also abide in the commands to repent, forgive, and remain unmarried or be reconciled?
I have a question what if both partners commits adultery? Are they both free since your free because of sexual Immorality?
Les Miserable movie showed the Fathers forgiveness
Will divorce keep me out of ministry
A divorced man is still a man with one wife, but not one who has married another. The scriptures in regard to being the husband of one wife, are written in order that those in ministry not cause others to stumble but to be an example of what faith in the Lord is by remaining faithful to their vows.
Hi Mike. How far is the "passion project". I'm getting more and more concerned for how quickly this mis-translation spreads.
Two questions. You may have answered them, and in that case, I need clarification please.
1. Does this mean a spouse is obligated to get a divorce if their spouse does not repent?
2. Does this mean we don't have to forgive anyone unless they repent?
Thank you!
@Nick G Thank you. I think I understand.
Interesting question that Mike seems to want to avoid.
@@ajlouviere202 watch the whole video. Mike DOES address this.
@@saviogonsalvez202 what is being taught in this video, in regard to 1 Corinthians 7:15, implies that those who are abandoned, by an unbelieving spouse, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way some translations word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not enslaved" which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, which is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 shows the Apostle Paul giving those who are abandoned permission to remarry, do not understand the command that Christ gives is to an abandoned husband, in 1 Corinthians 7:11, and that he "must not divorce" his wife, and his wife is commanded to "remain unmarried or else be reconciled" to her husband. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh, due to one's unbelief, puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, and himself, by implying that Paul has issued an opposing command to verses 10-14 in verse 15.
@@ajlouviere202 so you haven’t watched Mike’s original video - the 3hour one when he covers this correct translations of Koine Greek and what was understood by 1st century Jews from the references in Talmud. I am new to Mike’s channel. As a student of Greek myself, I am very impressed with his commitment to exegesis not eisegesis. Bless you brother (/sister).
Thank you 😊
basically, after the covenant, of marriage has been established, there is no longer any legitimate reason to divorce, and remarry....ergo, this entire presentation, is mute..
Excellent teaching. Thank you, Mike!
Excellent!
We don't have to go through divorce in the first place if we put Jesus first and pray for a Godly man or woman.
Yes, but some people come to Christ after they are married.
I don't see divorce as ever an option.
I know people say Jesus gives an option, but does He?
Remember Joseph and Mary were espoused, not married, yet when Joseph found out Mary was pregnant, he was going to divorce her?
That is the only context divorce is sanctioned in Scripture.
Despite what well meaning but biblically illiterate men teach. Search the Scriptures to see if this is so. Don't just take some mans teaching as final, what does God say on this important subject.
This is what Jesus was talking about, the betrothed bride being found to be pregnant.
That is the only reason for divorce. It is also the only interpretation that doesn't have people jumping through hoops.
"Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."
Or is man saying he can overcome what God has done?
Men, love your wives, women, learn to love your husbands.
Forgive as He has forgiven you.
My wife and I have been happily married for 37 years. It takes work on both sides, but God is able.
So, what you're really saying is that it's just fine and dandy for your husband, and sometimes the wife, to beat you and abuse you, as long as he/she says "I'm sorry forgive me"? Then you forgive them. Next week starts the same beating. No immorality discovered, just physical daily beatings. Does that mean you accept this concept of no divorce unless they catch THAT spouse in an immoral act?
Just asking.
@@vickymartin9361 You're right, this doesn't work, trust me I tried for 9 years and ended up with the scares to prove it. It's very idealistic when you're not married to a psychopath to imagine that all it takes is another chance and another chance and endless forgiveness, this is how the abused spouse eventually ends up dead. One day you must swallow your pride and realize some people won't ever change.
@@lindseykathryn5746 @vicky martin
Divorce not being permissible does not mean you can't separate for abuse, adultery etc.. People that advocate marriage permanence are not in exchange advocating for remaining in abusive marriages----please understand what is being said here.
That's great it's working for you but just look at the few comments under yours. Times change and it's ridiculous to live in fear and misery. This is Steve Anderson mentality.
@@lindseykathryn5746 Sorry you had to endure that treatment. What is overlooked in the Joseph & Mary story is that God had that situation planned long before the world began. My Grandma used to say...."You don't know a person until you live with them". Even if a person professes to be a Christian, you won't really know until after the "I Dos". Yes, there are couples who work out their relationship problems for the best but there are plenty of obituaries that say otherwise.
And the number of dislikes for pastor Mike's this video: '7'
﴿وَيَومَ يَحشُرُهُم وَما يَعبُدونَ مِن دونِ اللَّهِ فَيَقولُ أَأَنتُم أَضلَلتُم عِبادي هؤُلاءِ أَم هُم ضَلُّوا السَّبيلَ﴾ [الفرقان: ١٧]
And [mention] the Day He will gather them and that which they worship besides Allāh and will say, "Did you mislead these, My servants, or did they [themselves] stray from the way?"
- Saheeh International
﴿قالوا سُبحانَكَ ما كانَ يَنبَغي لَنا أَن نَتَّخِذَ مِن دونِكَ مِن أَولِياءَ وَلكِن مَتَّعتَهُم وَآباءَهُم حَتّى نَسُوا الذِّكرَ وَكانوا قَومًا بورًا﴾ [الفرقان: ١٨]
They will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for us to take besides You any allies [i.e., protectors]. But You provided comforts for them and their fathers until they forgot the message and became a people ruined."
- Saheeh International
﴿فَقَد كَذَّبوكُم بِما تَقولونَ فَما تَستَطيعونَ صَرفًا وَلا نَصرًا وَمَن يَظلِم مِنكُم نُذِقهُ عَذابًا كَبيرًا﴾ [الفرقان: ١٩]
So they will deny you, [disbelievers], in what you say, and you cannot avert [punishment] or [find] help. And whoever commits injustice among you - We will make him taste a great punishment.
- Saheeh International
﴿وَما أَرسَلنا قَبلَكَ مِنَ المُرسَلينَ إِلّا إِنَّهُم لَيَأكُلونَ الطَّعامَ وَيَمشونَ فِي الأَسواقِ وَجَعَلنا بَعضَكُم لِبَعضٍ فِتنَةً أَتَصبِرونَ وَكانَ رَبُّكَ بَصيرًا﴾ [الفرقان: ٢٠]
And We did not send before you, [O Muḥammad], any of the messengers except that they ate food and walked in the markets. And We have made some of you [people] as trial for others - will you have patience? And ever is your Lord, Seeing.
- Saheeh International
I can’t agree with your “conditional” forgiveness. You said a lot of words but you certainly did not convince me with your logic or use of scripture.
Our forgiveness before God is not “conditional” except, whether we receive Him or deny him.
Obviously, scripture states that adultery is grounds for divorce but does not mandate it. A person is allowed to forgive the adulterer as well.
Our forgiveness and salvation before God is very much conditional. And that condition is the death of Jesus on the Cross. In other words, God has never offered a universal amnesty to all of humanity without Christ's atonement for our sin.
As a believer. We are forgiven. One sin that is unforgivable. And a believer does not fall under it. Forgiven means forgiven.
Vastly over simplistic nonsense. Scripture must always be studied and applied in context. Context is never simplistic.
Huggimonster trust in Jesus.
Incorrect. ANY sin that is not repented of is unforgivable. That's why the issue of repentance and forgiveness is such a weighty issue. We are not retroactively and proactively forgiven if we do not repent. Forgiven means forgiven so long as there is repentance.
marshall bridwell one repents when they accept what He did. The Holy Spirit then resides in that person. Repentance is to change direction. From your old way of doing things. Living in sin. To realizing He is correct. Sins are forgiven.
marshall bridwell one sometimes might know they sinned. What if you die before you repent of a certain sin? Did Jesus die for those who believe or not?
Thank you!
Thank you for your videos 😊
Please if possible could you make a video about the vaccination against Corona?
I fear the next crime against humanity is lingering at the doorstep, forcing people to take the vaccine and abusing brothers and sisters in Africa as helpless laboratory rats
Thank you so much 😊🙏
I don’t think I know enough about these issues to be a guide for anyone. I’m truly sorry I can’t be of more help.
Also please pray and consider the fourth commandment KJV that Jesus created and kept. They will soon present sun day rest by Force of law as the “solution “ for all current events and crises. Come out of her My people.