I feel super lucky to have #20 of the Wilson/Beretta Centurion’s. I have a friend at Wilson and if she reads this I want her to know, to this day I’m thankful for all of your kindness. I’m hanging on to that gun for my grandson. That gun is only one of the many things she did for me over the years and I’m greatful for all of it. Sincerely, Rick
@@gregagentofmayhem6516 Yeah that’s what I figured, Lol 😂👍🏻 Nothing wrong with that! I want one, but damn they don’t come cheap. I love listening to these guys on this channel. I can remember back in the day when massad lived not far from me in NH.
I am happy with my Glock pistols. They are more accurate than I am, but I am improving. They are reliable and easy to maintain. Different guns for different folks. Carry on!
I carry glock as well some people can’t have five Wilson guns that cost 3 k each but I can buy a glock and rely on it out the box or upgrade or run my shadow systems war poet
my last three guns are CZ a 527 carbine, Tactical Sport 2, and a Scorpion improved sub gun. the 75 is good enough for military and police. I love the 75.
Not going to happen. These guys, for all their gun knowledge, are dinosaurs - and I mean that by the way they think. They’re so set in their opinions that they most likely haven’t changed their minds about anything since they were adolescents. So what they learned about CZ when they were 20 is that they were controlled by the “damn commies,” not knowing that that condition wasn’t a intentional choice by the Czech people. But no matter. CZ, being a “commie gun” doesn’t appear on their radar as anything worth considering, or reconsidering. This rigidity of thinking/opinion is all too common.
@@posterestantejames exactly, and by the way, I have doubts about all these guris’s gun knowkedge...they seem to disrespect ISSF shooting, everything that comes from Europe, as well as Bulls eye shooting, and all they know about is tactical guns...shooting two hands....and at 10 yards.
Sent a AR-10-T stainless steel barrel to Wilson Combat for their Amor-Tuff coating in 2007. Excellent work and finish. Still no scratches, broken off chips, still just like the day I picked it up. Fourteen years of use and Wilson Combat's perfection shows.
My x9 is still my favorite gun. And I have decent collection. It still remains after thousands maybe tens of thousands of rounds my only weapon without a single malfunction Love Wilson stuff. Hopefully quality remains after the expansion of quantity recently
I usually shoot my carry gun (G21, XD9, XD45) on range trips in addition to my 'range guns'. I like to shoot one of my CZ's on most range trips, usually a P-07 or CZ 75, either in normal config or with the Kadet adapter. I do carry the P-07, so that works as a range gun and carry gun for me.
When I replaced my glock 22 barrel I went with Wilson Combat. Took me 6 months of paperwork to get it from the US. It's awesome. When I bought a 9mm conversion barrel I went with WC again but could only buy an extended ported barrel. It's accurate as heck but I hate the extension, but I have to buy what I can get up here now. I have a few other Wilson Combat parts in my glock. These guys make great parts that take minimum fitment and just work like you want them to.
I can understand your feelings about Glock. Glock is a firearm that you either love or hate. I get that. I own 7 Glocks, and they work for me right out of box. At the same time, I don't recommend them as the best choice. I recommend what will fit the shooter's hands, and what they hit the best with. I also have a Beretta 92FS, a variety of S&W's (striker & hammer fire autos), and a collection of Ruger P series pistols from the 90's. I shoot all of them well. But I lean towards my Glocks like you do the 1911 platform. It's all subjective. I really do enjoy these videos, and I enjoy hearing both opinions and experiences from you gentlemen!
I popped into the comments to say something similar. The Glock platform works fine for my needs. I shoot a good revolver better for bullseye stuff. But I can reload a Glock lickity-split.
Absolutely my experience with Glocks as well. Gave them a break, tried a G45 and Gen 5 17. Back in business. Out of the box the M&P and P320 definitely more accurate for me, but Gen 5s are a step up. Wilson’s 1911s and EDCs are on my wish list whenever I hit pay dirt 😆
I’ve had a beretta 92fs since 1981 also recently pick up the centurion used in like new condition. Great pistols. Next on the list is the PX4 Storm Carry.
Buy a used Breatta 92 then send it to Wilson Combat. It's worth and it comes with a certificate of authenticity that it's done by Bill Wilson him self .
I am retired from a 27 year career in law enforcement. I started my career carrying a S&W 5947 9mm with a 3953 9mm backup. In 2004 my department transitioned to Glock 19 Gen3 and Glock 26 Gen 3. with Winchester RA9T Duty Ammo. Now that I am retired and not restricted by my department I have sold all of my Glocks and now carry a Ken Hackathorn Special Commander 9mm with a Smith and Wesson M&P 340 both loaded with Hornardy Critical Duty ammo. 9mm+p 135gr. and 135gr. .357 Magnum. 1000% satisfied with my choices and never looking back with regrets.
Bought the EDC X9 early, only one problem to those of us that have many handguns, the EDC X9 becomes the standard to which I compare all my others. Its definitely in my top 3, for sure.
I've never shot a 38 super. Only 1911's in 9mm and 45acp . Do you think you would enjoy a lightweight commander or cco in 38 super? Or would it be too snappy.
@@pjoffrion I had a LW Colt Commander in 38 Super, and couldn't hit the side a barn with it. It was peculiar. The lack of mass made it very snappy. The 5" steel model works for me.
Sorry to crash the party, but my favorite range gun is a Smith and Wesson Model 27-2 with a 6-1/2 inch barrel and a Model 28-2 with a 6 inch barrel and both full of 158 grain FMJ .38 Special. My 2nd favorite is my S&W Model 25-5 with a 6 inch barrel in .45 Colt. 3rd favorite is a S&W Model 27-2 or a Model 28-2 with 4 inch barrels and more of the 158 grain FMJ .38 Special.
I was a bit surprised to hear of Bill's dislike of Glock pistols. Not every gun is compatible with every shooter, and that is okay I suppose. I knew of his long standing preference for Berettas and his own company's guns, and that is fine. But I'll take the opposite position based on my own experience with the Glocks I own and have owned in the past. That position is that the Glock, when left alone and used for its original intended purpose is quite a tool. That purpose is to be able to score anatomically relevant hits on a human target out to any reasonable handgun distance, and to do so reliably with a minimum of maintenance. I have two Gen 3 Glock 19's that I have had for years, and carried both on and off duty in my professional life. I assure you that I have no difficulty scoring head shot hits on an IDPA target at 25 yards with either one of them when loaded with good ammunition. The only modification I have made to either of them was to install Trijicon HD sights. I have had similar experiences with the Glock 26, the Glock 17, and even the Glock 23 and Glock 30 when I carried them. Torso hits at 50 yards should not be a chore with any of these models. My current pocket gun is the Glock 42, and I find it to be plenty accurate for its intended purpose as well. I'm the same age as Bill, so I understand what can happen with eyesight at our age. I have no doubt that Bill Wilson is being honest when he says he cannot shoot Glocks very well. They are not for everyone, and nobody has to like everything. But to me a Glock pistol is simply a work tool, and aside from installing sturdier sights, they are probably better when left alone. I don't think there are widespread accuracy problems with factory spec Glocks, as evidenced by dozens of videos online showing them being shot successfully at long range.
Wait until you have one of those plastic guns blow up in your hand! Quite the thrill! I agree with you Ken. Any gun must have safety! I bought a 320 and had a hot load go through it and I swear that plastic is still landing down range!! Granted, it was a hot reload but, I have had the same thing in one of my steel guns (Wilson CQB Elite Compact with no damage whatsoever! The plastic guns with no safety are gone. The steel frame guns with a safety will always be here!
@@P_Petkov A hot load would be a "+P" load, Very high pressure and speed. Some guns are made for it and some not. You should check the owner's manual and the stamping on the barrel. Magnum Cartridges are also an example. If you are not sure use a standard velocity load. Google is also a good source of information. A "Hot Reload" is usually when a double charge has entered the casing. A double charge. One inadvertently loaded the powder twice! Example, A 9mm normal Load of 5.1 GR of Hodgdon CFE has been charged twice equalling 10.2 GR. Or the wrong powder is used.. Let's say a Rifle Powder in a Pistol Case! If you are going to reload get yourself a good Reloading Manual! $35.oo
Man Im working hard to land a Wilson Classic in 45 ACP , I can't stand having to dig but it's going to be worth it. I might have to get me a Stingray holster to. I sure like EDC X9 , never have I shot a pistol like it.
@ snarky comments don't help anyone. He probably means that it's easier to get a quick sight picture, and maybe easier to focus. He said it was because of his old eyes, remember. Philo sophia, not philo nokia.
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@@chestersnapdragonmcphistic579, your use of Greek and your screen name convince me of the gravity of the thoughts you have conveyed on this day. However, mou éphayes ta aftiá. If Bill's eyes have aged the way most human eyes age, then he's become (more) hyperopic, with diminished accommodation, potentially with increased astigmatism. It's not clear how a shorter bore axis compensates for those ocular shortcomings, regarding focus or sight picture. I supposed we can poll people of various ages on the matter, but much more likely Bill's preference is a quirk of Bill himself, and trying to extrapolate from his simply stating his preference and his "my old eyes" statement is a fools errand. But this is an internet social media comment section, so clowns of various ilk will come to gainsay and argue and explain to you why you're wrong (and also to emphasize the glaring deficiencies in your character), so as they say in American English, it is what it is.
I don't think its a dislike on Bills part. He just doesn't shoot it as well as he would like and I'm sure Glock won't work with him like Beretta or Sig. I understand his comments and agree on some of the negatives but I do carry a Glock on most days.
Last time I checked the P320 compact (15rd) is ~$70 cheaper than the gen 5 G19. Glock gouges we all know this, I have a few myself and I don't own a p320 so being impartial I think I'd pick a p320 if I wanted a compact 9mm in the current market anyway.
Gen three is my fav Glock I don’t like my gen 5 cause has the crap grip but i got steel cap for the mos plastic cap so it will be better but I like the steel guns more
Massachusetts, 8 miles south of Boston - I have driven to 5 local gun shops & still there is ZERO ammo. My youngest son is home for the summer from college & we can't even go shoot trap like we used to. But awesome video I aspire to add Wilson Combat firearms to my arsenal.
In Mi, ammo supply is starting to return. 9 mm has been available for about a month, 45 acp and 22 lr is rare but is starting to appear. I do not shoot 556 but it has been readily available for a couple of months. All above ammo is priced two to three times the pre pandemic, looting and rioting times price.
Can you make a video showing the MOA of various handguns? I was thinking the other day about a Wilson Vs various polymer rigs. The Walther PDP seems to be extremely accurate.
Pretty sure 'peak Glock' was the Gen3 G19 (c. 1998) adopted by the US Navy SEALs in 2015. Later generations added unnecessary features that harmed reliability (dual recoil spring is more likely to cause stoppages if dust, dirt, sand or mud gets inside the pistol) and robustness (removable backstrap), while the oversized mag release increases the incidence of accidental mag dumps. Plenty accurate IMO, though one can always waste money buying a match barrel that likely decreases reliability in adverse conditions due to tighter tolerances.
So that’s the difference between normal people and Bill Wilson. If he can’t hit a head shot on an IDPA target at 20 yards, it’s the gun. If I can’t hit a head shot on an IDPA target at 20 yards, it’s something I am doing wrong.
I've noticed a gap between people who cut their teeth on the 1911 or hammer fired pistols vs those who leaned into striker fired pistols. I know really good 1911 shooters who can't shoot a Glock well. And on the other hand, I know striker fired shooters who don't like to shoot 1911's but can get head shots at 20 or 25 yards all day long with a Glock.
@@MarkAndrewEdwards I suck with 1911’s I have one and have shot a few but iv always shot double action revolver. I’m also decent with sa/da semi autos something about 1911 triggers messes with my accuracy
@@yyeezyy630 For me, it's the shape of the grip and the trigger. DA Revolver is tough training, good for you if you've mastered it. I was all in on striker fired pistols and heir consistent trigger pull...until I discovered CZ's. :)
Thanks Bill and Ken outstanding content! Big question will Wilson combat revisit the Kz45 ? In today’s market many high round count pistols are being made in 45 acp . I would buy one if available for sure . K
I have tried and tried to like Glocks. The only one I've ever liked is the Glock 40 because it's a big behemoth of a firearm and shoots 10mm which is always fun to shoot. My EDC gun is a Shadow Systems MR920 (Glock 19 clone). It uses Glock mags and Glock holsters and a Glock operating system...so it's easy to find accessories for. It has a great optics mounting system too, best I've ever used. I'm mostly a hammer fired fan, just like them better. Personal choice. But my striker fired gun of choice is the P320 because of it's modularity. I have one FCU, but I have 4 grip modules, three barrels, two slides, and all the configurations fit in the same holster. I wish the optic cut on the Pro slide worked with more than two optics. I prefer my Halosun to the Romeo One Pro. But it's nice to have multiple "guns" that all have the same trigger pull.
Slightly off topic, but as a relatively new gun owner I'm confused about firearms safety rules. Ken pointed the muzzle of the Beretta 92 (and possibly a few others) directly at Bill. I thought we were supposed to treat all guns as if they're loaded and only point them in safe directions. Do those rules apply only until you've verified the gun is unloaded? That would seem to violate the first rule that I cited.
@@lancecahill5486 Is it bad practice? I've noticed gun store employees muzzling me and others after they've cleared the guns, even though I go to great lengths to avoid doing so. If you watch enough gun videos on YT you'll hear those in the videos say they've cleared the guns off camera, as they always do. I don't think it's necessary for them to show or even say they're clear in every single video.
@@rickh9396 I do it as a matter of habit. If you clear the gun and give it to me, I will clear it again. If a gun is in my hand, it's my responsibility. That's how I see it. Of course, people are free to do whatever they want to do.
There are guns that are in the $400-$500 range that are very good guns. You don't have to spend $3,000 + for a "quality" gun. Most guns are accurate within 30 feet (roughly 10 meters), which is where most self-defense shootings happen.
@Kevin Hillier Hickock 45 made a video comparing a $400 1911 with a $3,000 one. The difference does not justify the much higher cost. But then again, people who have money to spend can do what the hell ever they want to do with it, but calling a $400-$500 gun "garbage" is just pure ignorance.
@Kevin Hillier Most people don't compete and shoot 20,000 rounds. Nowadays, it's lucky if you can find 200 rounds at a reasonable price. The point is for most people a $400-$500 gun is adequate for self protection and home defense. When you have to fire at close range, you don't really need a $3,000 gun to do the job. You only need it to show off at the gun range and to brag to your buddies.
"range guns". II think the choice comes down to reliability and which gun do you pickup the most often. The gains in accuracy...I think are so minimal. Because some part of w upgraded from the factory installed part. It's about the shooters form more than the gun itself. With all due respects to Mr. Wilson, as well made as his guns are no doubt, at the range I doubt the average shooter will shot better groupings with a $5000 gun over a $500 Glock. ..if anything, if he or she has shoot with the Glock more often...
Keep these coming. I am 53 years old and red guns and ammo magazine religiously as a kid. I really enjoy these talks. If you're ever in Spokane Washington look me up, the Bourbons on me.
With all due respect to your experience and knowledge Mr. Wilson come on Stock barrels in Glocks inaccurate and you can’t make a headshot at 15 yards. I respectfully call BS. I’m no Glock fan and before the Gen-5 models they were adequate but not overly accurate, but still grouped under 4 inches at 25 yards. The newer Gen-5 with the Marksman Barrels and improved lockup tolerances I’ve seen groups under 3 inches ransom rested at 25 yards. In practical application I have absolutely no problem with stock Glock accuracy at 25 yards and I hate plastic fantastic striker fired guns lol.
Sample size: 1 The gen 5 Glock 17 I was issued is the least accurate of all my handguns. I didnt see any improvement with that "marksman" barrel with duty ammo nor with 124gr ball in training and qualifications. No one in the agency scored any better with Gen 5 than Gen 3...the biggest factor is the person, next to that is not having factory glock sights. Since every agency is cheap, there's anither $100 of personal money for anyone that takes a duty weapon seriously...but most people dont realize most dont care. Its just a tool. I suppose if we all sat at a bench we might get miraculous groups, but for qualification course it's not been an improvement at all over previous gens, nor over comparable competition, like the M&P. I like not having the stupid finger grooves though, and the trigger is at least very consistent...but then again the best shooters in the entire dept use DA/SA guns still.
Glock pistols are THE most over rated pistols in the world today, especially here in the USA. I own three, a 17, 31, and a 23, and I haven't shot either of them in three or four years. Absolutely hate them!! Now they want $550-$650 for them. BS !!! I'll never waste another dollar on one again. I would love to own a Wilson Combat anything but they'll always be outta my price range. But I really enjoy listening to these fine gentlemen talk guns. Plus Mas Ayoob. There's a wealth of knowledge in these men's words. THANK YOU MEN!!
I have to agree. They are decent guns and were state of the art 30 years ago, but out of the box they are quite dated compared to what else is out there today. The next generation of Glocks NEEDS to have decent steel sights, a good trigger and a grip that doesn't feel like holding something made out of Lego bricks. And that's just so it can remain competitive with the rest of the market. Unfortunately they continue to sell by the boatloads for no other reason than they have the word GLOCK on the side. Sure they're reliable, but so are all the other modern pistols out there.
Think of it this way sell those 3 glocks and you’ll be halfway to Wilson combat. Unless you want a Wilson combat beretta I think those are only around 1300$
I would half to agree glock is inaccurate at longer ranges love the reliability but 20+ yards and that spread just opens up. Even with aftermarket triggers and sights with performance barrels upgrades you can get something more accurate right out of the box and not have to do the upgrades like you would a glock.
The general problem with the 92 is the slide mounted safety. During manipulations of the slide, it is very common to “accidentally” put the gun on safe. I.e. a dead trigger. Pressed out for a committed shot sucks when that happens. The G models convert the safety to just a decoder. So worst case on the previous example is a DA trigger pull. Hope this helps.
@@John1911 YES! It absolutely helps, thanks. I didn't know the safety mechanisms were different. Full-disclosure, I was mainly curious because I've always wanted a 92fs, but when I learned about the G SD, I thought maybe I want that one:) HA! I don't mind the safety personally, just shoot for fun mostly, so I'm still leaning 92fs:)
@@geico1975 if you want the military format, get the F not the G. But for serious use by CCW people, they tend to favor the G. Also…you CAN retrofit to a G at a later date. Wilson or Langdon can both handle that easily. Glad I could help! Regards, Marky
I appreciate you guys and I enjoy listening to your conversations, I have been in the pistol market for about 4 years now and I started out with Glocks and so far have been very satisfied with the Gen 5, but the more I shoot the more I understand the accuracy issue with Glock, however at close range in a defensive situation I feel very comfortable and confident with Glock but I would love to upgrade to a Wilson combat one day soon I hope.
Thank you for this video I do not doubt that the EDC X9 is an outstanding pistol. And I do not expect anything else from a $4000 firearm designed and made by very fine craftsmen. On the other hand, everyone cannot spend this amount of money on a handgun. And, regardless of wether one likes it or not, the Glock 17 is way better than what is described here. Where I live, it is used in traditional "service" (military) competitions at 50 meters (54.7 yards) against the traditional SIG P210. Using a G17 did not keep excellent shooters from winning against all the shooters using a P210. Metallic sights (less than $40 from factory) are useful. A "minus" connector (less than $10 from factory) helps too. A tiny little bit of polishing by a very competent gunsmith is also helpful. But the rest is only work. And some proved that it is possible to outshoot the P210 with a Glock 17 at 50 meters.....
I feel super lucky to have #20 of the Wilson/Beretta Centurion’s. I have a friend at Wilson and if she reads this I want her to know, to this day I’m thankful for all of your kindness. I’m hanging on to that gun for my grandson. That gun is only one of the many things she did for me over the years and I’m greatful for all of it.
Sincerely,
Rick
I love that his favorite is a "lemon".... just goes to show that even though the customer is always right, they're wrong a lot.
Friends don’t let friends live without a Beretta 🕊
I just put Wilson Combat fancy grips on my all stock 92fs and I call it my “Wilson combat custom” Lol 😆
I thought I was the only one.
I wasn't that smart....
@@gregagentofmayhem6516 Lol
I've bought 3 different Wilson combats I am not smart enough to just add Wilson swag to cheaper firearms
@@gregagentofmayhem6516 Yeah that’s what I figured, Lol 😂👍🏻 Nothing wrong with that! I want one, but damn they don’t come cheap. I love listening to these guys on this channel. I can remember back in the day when massad lived not far from me in NH.
I am happy with my Glock pistols. They are more accurate than I am, but I am improving. They are reliable and easy to maintain. Different guns for different folks. Carry on!
Same here. I really like my 5 glocks.
I carry glock as well some people can’t have five Wilson guns that cost 3 k each but I can buy a glock and rely on it out the box or upgrade or run my shadow systems war poet
The brigadier is the next 92 I want. Can't go wrong with a Beretta 92, beautiful and reliable.
I'm glad to hear there getting more in depth on the p320!
I doubt it would ever happen, but I’d like to see what Wilson Combat could do to tune a CZ-75.
If u have one send it to Willson combat and tell them to dec it out
my last three guns are CZ a 527 carbine, Tactical Sport 2, and a Scorpion improved sub gun. the 75 is good enough for military and police. I love the 75.
Him and his shop do a once over on a Walther ppks
Not going to happen. These guys, for all their gun knowledge, are dinosaurs - and I mean that by the way they think. They’re so set in their opinions that they most likely haven’t changed their minds about anything since they were adolescents. So what they learned about CZ when they were 20 is that they were controlled by the “damn commies,” not knowing that that condition wasn’t a intentional choice by the Czech people. But no matter. CZ, being a “commie gun” doesn’t appear on their radar as anything worth considering, or reconsidering. This rigidity of thinking/opinion is all too common.
@@posterestantejames exactly, and by the way, I have doubts about all these guris’s gun knowkedge...they seem to disrespect ISSF shooting, everything that comes from Europe, as well as Bulls eye shooting, and all they know about is tactical guns...shooting two hands....and at 10 yards.
Truly an honor to learn from legends as you guys! Respect always!
Sent a AR-10-T stainless steel barrel to Wilson Combat for their Amor-Tuff coating in 2007. Excellent work and finish. Still no scratches, broken off chips, still just like the day I picked it up. Fourteen years of use and Wilson Combat's perfection shows.
Always look forward to the videos. Keep up the good work!
When I see new videos in this series, I cant click fast enough. Keep them up!
Love my Gen 5 Glock 19, next on my list, vickers tactical sights. I have them on my Glock 43 of all things and love them!
My x9 is still my favorite gun. And I have decent collection. It still remains after thousands maybe tens of thousands of rounds my only weapon without a single malfunction Love Wilson stuff. Hopefully quality remains after the expansion of quantity recently
I usually shoot my carry gun (G21, XD9, XD45) on range trips in addition to my 'range guns'. I like to shoot one of my CZ's on most range trips, usually a P-07 or CZ 75, either in normal config or with the Kadet adapter. I do carry the P-07, so that works as a range gun and carry gun for me.
Sell the XD.
@@takeahike2993 Sell the most reliable gun I own? Uhhh, no.
@@MarkAndrewEdwards Never heard a paperweight being more than a single shot.
I also love the model 21.
@@stevenlefebvre2991 5" barrel, 13 rounds, soft shooting. The grip could be more ergonomic but it's a great tool.
At 4:00 Bill was pointing the pistol at his friend.
When I replaced my glock 22 barrel I went with Wilson Combat. Took me 6 months of paperwork to get it from the US. It's awesome. When I bought a 9mm conversion barrel I went with WC again but could only buy an extended ported barrel. It's accurate as heck but I hate the extension, but I have to buy what I can get up here now. I have a few other Wilson Combat parts in my glock. These guys make great parts that take minimum fitment and just work like you want them to.
Thank you guys always appreciate hearing from you…
I can understand your feelings about Glock. Glock is a firearm that you either love or hate. I get that. I own 7 Glocks, and they work for me right out of box. At the same time, I don't recommend them as the best choice. I recommend what will fit the shooter's hands, and what they hit the best with. I also have a Beretta 92FS, a variety of S&W's (striker & hammer fire autos), and a collection of Ruger P series pistols from the 90's. I shoot all of them well. But I lean towards my Glocks like you do the 1911 platform. It's all subjective. I really do enjoy these videos, and I enjoy hearing both opinions and experiences from you gentlemen!
I popped into the comments to say something similar. The Glock platform works fine for my needs. I shoot a good revolver better for bullseye stuff. But I can reload a Glock lickity-split.
I think he needs to visit Hitchcock 45
Absolutely my experience with Glocks as well. Gave them a break, tried a G45 and Gen 5 17. Back in business. Out of the box the M&P and P320 definitely more accurate for me, but Gen 5s are a step up. Wilson’s 1911s and EDCs are on my wish list whenever I hit pay dirt 😆
@@mannyrodriguez5453 That would be a really cool collaboration video actually. Bill and Greg talking guns.
Love the G19, HKs and 1911. No failures and will carry any of them.
I’ve had a beretta 92fs since 1981 also recently pick up the centurion used in like new condition.
Great pistols. Next on the list is the PX4 Storm Carry.
Buy a used Breatta 92 then send it to Wilson Combat. It's worth and it comes with a certificate of authenticity that it's done by Bill Wilson him self .
Ken Hackathorn is a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you for your very honest and unbiased video guys. I will subscribe.
I am retired from a 27 year career in law enforcement. I started my career carrying a S&W 5947 9mm with a 3953 9mm backup. In 2004 my department transitioned to Glock 19 Gen3 and Glock 26 Gen 3. with Winchester RA9T Duty Ammo. Now that I am retired and not restricted by my department I have sold all of my Glocks and now carry a Ken Hackathorn Special Commander 9mm with a Smith and Wesson M&P 340 both loaded with Hornardy Critical Duty ammo. 9mm+p 135gr. and 135gr. .357 Magnum.
1000% satisfied with my choices and never looking back with regrets.
Bought the EDC X9 early, only one problem to those of us that have many handguns, the EDC X9 becomes the standard to which I compare all my others. Its definitely in my top 3, for sure.
We agree. It’s a monster gun in the double stack 1911 game.
Tremendous knowledge of firearms right there !
My favorite gun to shoot in my 5" Colt 1911 in 38 Super. It's accurate and shoots with authority.
I've never shot a 38 super. Only 1911's in 9mm and 45acp . Do you think you would enjoy a lightweight commander or cco in 38 super? Or would it be too snappy.
@@pjoffrion I had a LW Colt Commander in 38 Super, and couldn't hit the side a barn with it. It was peculiar. The lack of mass made it very snappy. The 5" steel model works for me.
@@Vox-Populi thanks
I have a Langdon tactical 92a1 and I love it. Hopefully I'll get a WC some day
Thank you gentlemen. Always enjoy watching y'all.
Such an elaborate ad for Wilson Combat
Sorry to crash the party, but my favorite range gun is a Smith and Wesson Model 27-2 with a 6-1/2 inch barrel and a Model 28-2 with a 6 inch barrel and both full of 158 grain FMJ .38 Special. My 2nd favorite is my S&W Model 25-5 with a 6 inch barrel in .45 Colt. 3rd favorite is a S&W Model 27-2 or a Model 28-2 with 4 inch barrels and more of the 158 grain FMJ .38 Special.
I appreciate you two guys expertise so much, thank you!
I was a bit surprised to hear of Bill's dislike of Glock pistols. Not every gun is compatible with every shooter, and that is okay I suppose. I knew of his long standing preference for Berettas and his own company's guns, and that is fine. But I'll take the opposite position based on my own experience with the Glocks I own and have owned in the past.
That position is that the Glock, when left alone and used for its original intended purpose is quite a tool. That purpose is to be able to score anatomically relevant hits on a human target out to any reasonable handgun distance, and to do so reliably with a minimum of maintenance. I have two Gen 3 Glock 19's that I have had for years, and carried both on and off duty in my professional life. I assure you that I have no difficulty scoring head shot hits on an IDPA target at 25 yards with either one of them when loaded with good ammunition. The only modification I have made to either of them was to install Trijicon HD sights. I have had similar experiences with the Glock 26, the Glock 17, and even the Glock 23 and Glock 30 when I carried them. Torso hits at 50 yards should not be a chore with any of these models. My current pocket gun is the Glock 42, and I find it to be plenty accurate for its intended purpose as well. I'm the same age as Bill, so I understand what can happen with eyesight at our age.
I have no doubt that Bill Wilson is being honest when he says he cannot shoot Glocks very well. They are not for everyone, and nobody has to like everything. But to me a Glock pistol is simply a work tool, and aside from installing sturdier sights, they are probably better when left alone. I don't think there are widespread accuracy problems with factory spec Glocks, as evidenced by dozens of videos online showing them being shot successfully at long range.
Love my Wilson P320
Interesting selection. We all have our favorite shooters I guess. I absolutely love these videos!
Wait until you have one of those plastic guns blow up in your hand! Quite the thrill! I agree with you Ken. Any gun must have safety! I bought a 320 and had a hot load go through it and I swear that plastic is still landing down range!! Granted, it was a hot reload but, I have had the same thing in one of my steel guns (Wilson CQB Elite Compact with no damage whatsoever! The plastic guns with no safety are gone. The steel frame guns with a safety will always be here!
What is a hot load/reload
@@P_Petkov A hot load would be a "+P" load, Very high pressure and speed. Some guns are made for it and some not. You should check the owner's manual and the stamping on the barrel. Magnum Cartridges are also an example. If you are not sure use a standard velocity load. Google is also a good source of information. A "Hot Reload" is usually when a double charge has entered the casing. A double charge. One inadvertently loaded the powder twice! Example, A 9mm normal Load of 5.1 GR of Hodgdon CFE has been charged twice equalling 10.2 GR. Or the wrong powder is used.. Let's say a Rifle Powder in a Pistol Case! If you are going to reload get yourself a good Reloading Manual! $35.oo
Hackathorns mustache is absolutely bullet proof.
Man Im working hard to land a Wilson Classic in 45 ACP , I can't stand having to dig but it's going to be worth it. I might have to get me a Stingray holster to. I sure like EDC X9 , never have I shot a pistol like it.
Comparing my g45 to my g34 I must say I disagree that a shorter slide has less muzzle flip
Perhaps it's just with 1911 platforms
@ rifle is 4 points of contact vs 2 with a pistol
@ snarky comments don't help anyone. He probably means that it's easier to get a quick sight picture, and maybe easier to focus. He said it was because of his old eyes, remember. Philo sophia, not philo nokia.
@@chestersnapdragonmcphistic579, your use of Greek and your screen name convince me of the gravity of the thoughts you have conveyed on this day. However, mou éphayes ta aftiá.
If Bill's eyes have aged the way most human eyes age, then he's become (more) hyperopic, with diminished accommodation, potentially with increased astigmatism. It's not clear how a shorter bore axis compensates for those ocular shortcomings, regarding focus or sight picture. I supposed we can poll people of various ages on the matter, but much more likely Bill's preference is a quirk of Bill himself, and trying to extrapolate from his simply stating his preference and his "my old eyes" statement is a fools errand.
But this is an internet social media comment section, so clowns of various ilk will come to gainsay and argue and explain to you why you're wrong (and also to emphasize the glaring deficiencies in your character), so as they say in American English, it is what it is.
@ why you are so concerned about this, i don't know. You said it yourself that Bill Wilson's preference is subjective. Leave it at that.
For me mine is smith and wesson model 586 distinguish combat magnum...
Love these episodes, thanks guys!
The working mans gun is the Glock. Simple and reliable...and for many, afordable
And it is very accurate regardless of what some experts say. You just have to know how to shoot it.
I don't think its a dislike on Bills part. He just doesn't shoot it as well as he would like and I'm sure Glock won't work with him like Beretta or Sig. I understand his comments and agree on some of the negatives but I do carry a Glock on most days.
Last time I checked the P320 compact (15rd) is ~$70 cheaper than the gen 5 G19. Glock gouges we all know this, I have a few myself and I don't own a p320 so being impartial I think I'd pick a p320 if I wanted a compact 9mm in the current market anyway.
Gen three is my fav Glock I don’t like my gen 5 cause has the crap grip but i got steel cap for the mos plastic cap so it will be better but I like the steel guns more
God bless America and Wilson combat!
These are all beautiful hand guns but for me range time is done just as well with a .22 pistol.
I think we would all like to have that collection.
Question for Bill; have you tried and tested a CZ P-10C and what is your impression?
Bill says "nothin' special" on a Wilson Combat handgun. All WC are special to me.
Massachusetts, 8 miles south of Boston - I have driven to 5 local gun shops & still there is ZERO ammo. My youngest son is home for the summer from college & we can't even go shoot trap like we used to. But awesome video I aspire to add Wilson Combat firearms to my arsenal.
The gun stores around me in New Hampshire have plenty of shotgun ammo in stock. Maybe you should move north for some freedom 😁
I'm easily finding birdshot in Houston.
I wish I knew someone like you I have to much birdshot and to many pigeons and I don’t shoot trap anymore
@@M2fiftycal Yes I plan to retire to Tamworth, NH. Being Finnish Florida is too hot for me.
In Mi, ammo supply is starting to return. 9 mm has been available for about a month, 45 acp and 22 lr is rare but is starting to appear. I do not shoot 556 but it has been readily available for a couple of months. All above ammo is priced two to three times the pre pandemic, looting and rioting times price.
I'm surprised there aren't any. 45s !
They are right about the Sig P320 that's why I sold mine.Shot great but unsafe.
The knowledge shared is obviously ootw. But sorry, not sorry, I’m mesmerised by Ken’s beard, especially that ‘tache. Outstanding!
Please make a Steel Frame EDC X9!!!!
Hello I live in California will I be able to buy one of those 9m from you
Why did Wilson Combat discontinue the full size Experior single stack?
Awesome video fellows.
"It's nothing special"
Good to see he's still humble
Can you make a video showing the MOA of various handguns? I was thinking the other day about a Wilson Vs various polymer rigs. The Walther PDP seems to be extremely accurate.
Pretty sure 'peak Glock' was the Gen3 G19 (c. 1998) adopted by the US Navy SEALs in 2015. Later generations added unnecessary features that harmed reliability (dual recoil spring is more likely to cause stoppages if dust, dirt, sand or mud gets inside the pistol) and robustness (removable backstrap), while the oversized mag release increases the incidence of accidental mag dumps. Plenty accurate IMO, though one can always waste money buying a match barrel that likely decreases reliability in adverse conditions due to tighter tolerances.
So that’s the difference between normal people and Bill Wilson. If he can’t hit a head shot on an IDPA target at 20 yards, it’s the gun. If I can’t hit a head shot on an IDPA target at 20 yards, it’s something I am doing wrong.
I've noticed a gap between people who cut their teeth on the 1911 or hammer fired pistols vs those who leaned into striker fired pistols. I know really good 1911 shooters who can't shoot a Glock well. And on the other hand, I know striker fired shooters who don't like to shoot 1911's but can get head shots at 20 or 25 yards all day long with a Glock.
@@MarkAndrewEdwards I suck with 1911’s I have one and have shot a few but iv always shot double action revolver. I’m also decent with sa/da semi autos something about 1911 triggers messes with my accuracy
@@yyeezyy630 For me, it's the shape of the grip and the trigger. DA Revolver is tough training, good for you if you've mastered it. I was all in on striker fired pistols and heir consistent trigger pull...until I discovered CZ's. :)
Thanks Bill and Ken outstanding content! Big question will Wilson combat revisit the Kz45 ? In today’s market many high round count pistols are being made in 45 acp . I would buy one if available for sure . K
Did anyone catch what Seiko does Bill wear?
Could never get a glimpse of that dial lol. That bracelet does appear to be from the old Seiko 5 line though.
@@millioncatman2995 haha same even on different shots, maybe he will reply! super curious now haha
I wish he would create a down sized 1911, 3.5 to 4" barrel in a .22 magnum. The sales would be off the charts.
Bill,
Would you and Ken give us your insight into backup handguns that are your favorites.
Bobby.
I have tried and tried to like Glocks. The only one I've ever liked is the Glock 40 because it's a big behemoth of a firearm and shoots 10mm which is always fun to shoot. My EDC gun is a Shadow Systems MR920 (Glock 19 clone). It uses Glock mags and Glock holsters and a Glock operating system...so it's easy to find accessories for. It has a great optics mounting system too, best I've ever used.
I'm mostly a hammer fired fan, just like them better. Personal choice. But my striker fired gun of choice is the P320 because of it's modularity. I have one FCU, but I have 4 grip modules, three barrels, two slides, and all the configurations fit in the same holster. I wish the optic cut on the Pro slide worked with more than two optics. I prefer my Halosun to the Romeo One Pro. But it's nice to have multiple "guns" that all have the same trigger pull.
Love my Wilson Combat grips, on my Beretta !
Slightly off topic, but as a relatively new gun owner I'm confused about firearms safety rules. Ken pointed the muzzle of the Beretta 92 (and possibly a few others) directly at Bill. I thought we were supposed to treat all guns as if they're loaded and only point them in safe directions. Do those rules apply only until you've verified the gun is unloaded? That would seem to violate the first rule that I cited.
They didn't check to make sure that the guns are safe either. Just bad practice from the "gun experts"!
@@lancecahill5486 Is it bad practice? I've noticed gun store employees muzzling me and others after they've cleared the guns, even though I go to great lengths to avoid doing so. If you watch enough gun videos on YT you'll hear those in the videos say they've cleared the guns off camera, as they always do. I don't think it's necessary for them to show or even say they're clear in every single video.
@@rickh9396 I do it as a matter of habit. If you clear the gun and give it to me, I will clear it again. If a gun is in my hand, it's my responsibility. That's how I see it. Of course, people are free to do whatever they want to do.
I need a money tree.. I love quality.. just cant afford it ☹️
Don't get married. Don't have kids.
There are guns that are in the $400-$500 range that are very good guns. You don't have to spend $3,000 + for a "quality" gun. Most guns are accurate within 30 feet (roughly 10 meters), which is where most self-defense shootings happen.
Get a cz
@Kevin Hillier Hickock 45 made a video comparing a $400 1911 with a $3,000 one. The difference does not justify the much higher cost. But then again, people who have money to spend can do what the hell ever they want to do with it, but calling a $400-$500 gun "garbage" is just pure ignorance.
@Kevin Hillier Most people don't compete and shoot 20,000 rounds. Nowadays, it's lucky if you can find 200 rounds at a reasonable price. The point is for most people a $400-$500 gun is adequate for self protection and home defense. When you have to fire at close range, you don't really need a $3,000 gun to do the job. You only need it to show off at the gun range and to brag to your buddies.
Bill is a quiet soft-spoken guy that oozes passion, but lets his guns do the talking, if Ken isn't around to do so.
Oozes is kinda weird I'd say full of passion
I got some passionate guy ooz for ya!
@@throatpunch4789 Go ahead, Punk! Make my Day!
"range guns". II think the choice comes down to reliability and which gun do you pickup the most often. The gains in accuracy...I think are so minimal. Because some part of w upgraded from the factory installed part. It's about the shooters form more than the gun itself. With all due respects to Mr. Wilson, as well made as his guns are no doubt, at the range I doubt the average shooter will shot better groupings with a $5000 gun over a $500 Glock. ..if anything, if he or she has shoot with the Glock more often...
👍 BERETTA/WILSON COMBAT 92G CENTURION TACTICAL 👍
Keep these coming. I am 53 years old and red guns and ammo magazine religiously as a kid. I really enjoy these talks. If you're ever in Spokane Washington look me up, the Bourbons on me.
I love Ken Hackathorn's comment: Glock will reach perfection by Gen 7...
With all due respect to your experience and knowledge Mr. Wilson come on Stock barrels in Glocks inaccurate and you can’t make a headshot at 15 yards. I respectfully call BS.
I’m no Glock fan and before the Gen-5 models they were adequate but not overly accurate, but still grouped under 4 inches at 25 yards. The newer Gen-5 with the Marksman Barrels and improved lockup tolerances I’ve seen groups under 3 inches ransom rested at 25 yards.
In practical application I have absolutely no problem with stock Glock accuracy at 25 yards and I hate plastic fantastic striker fired guns lol.
Sample size: 1
The gen 5 Glock 17 I was issued is the least accurate of all my handguns. I didnt see any improvement with that "marksman" barrel with duty ammo nor with 124gr ball in training and qualifications. No one in the agency scored any better with Gen 5 than Gen 3...the biggest factor is the person, next to that is not having factory glock sights. Since every agency is cheap, there's anither $100 of personal money for anyone that takes a duty weapon seriously...but most people dont realize most dont care. Its just a tool.
I suppose if we all sat at a bench we might get miraculous groups, but for qualification course it's not been an improvement at all over previous gens, nor over comparable competition, like the M&P. I like not having the stupid finger grooves though, and the trigger is at least very consistent...but then again the best shooters in the entire dept use DA/SA guns still.
Could you guys do one what carbines and longs guns bill takes to the range? :)
Even though he has it all, he just shoots a run of the mill Wilson and calls it a working gun. Sounds good to me.
The only Glock part on that Glock, was the slide!
Glock pistols are THE most over rated pistols in the world today, especially here in the USA. I own three, a 17, 31, and a 23, and I haven't shot either of them in three or four years. Absolutely hate them!! Now they want $550-$650 for them. BS !!! I'll never waste another dollar on one again. I would love to own a Wilson Combat anything but they'll always be outta my price range. But I really enjoy listening to these fine gentlemen talk guns. Plus Mas Ayoob. There's a wealth of knowledge in these men's words. THANK YOU MEN!!
I have to agree. They are decent guns and were state of the art 30 years ago, but out of the box they are quite dated compared to what else is out there today. The next generation of Glocks NEEDS to have decent steel sights, a good trigger and a grip that doesn't feel like holding something made out of Lego bricks. And that's just so it can remain competitive with the rest of the market. Unfortunately they continue to sell by the boatloads for no other reason than they have the word GLOCK on the side. Sure they're reliable, but so are all the other modern pistols out there.
Think of it this way sell those 3 glocks and you’ll be halfway to Wilson combat. Unless you want a Wilson combat beretta I think those are only around 1300$
I guess it's ok to sell as long as the funds are going towards a WC handgun
This question is like asking Carroll Shelby what his favorite car is. Answer: Whatever one I want.
I would half to agree glock is inaccurate at longer ranges love the reliability but 20+ yards and that spread just opens up. Even with aftermarket triggers and sights with performance barrels upgrades you can get something more accurate right out of the box and not have to do the upgrades like you would a glock.
Does anyone know if Bill Wilson has ever talked about why he favors the Beretta 92G SD over the 92FS?
I don't know much differences myself.
Yes there's a video on it.
The general problem with the 92 is the slide mounted safety. During manipulations of the slide, it is very common to “accidentally” put the gun on safe. I.e. a dead trigger. Pressed out for a committed shot sucks when that happens. The G models convert the safety to just a decoder. So worst case on the previous example is a DA trigger pull. Hope this helps.
@@John1911
YES! It absolutely helps, thanks. I didn't know the safety mechanisms were different. Full-disclosure, I was mainly curious because I've always wanted a 92fs, but when I learned about the G SD, I thought maybe I want that one:) HA! I don't mind the safety personally, just shoot for fun mostly, so I'm still leaning 92fs:)
@@geico1975 if you want the military format, get the F not the G. But for serious use by CCW people, they tend to favor the G.
Also…you CAN retrofit to a G at a later date. Wilson or Langdon can both handle that easily.
Glad I could help!
Regards,
Marky
Great guns…if your wife doesn’t mind you taking out a second mortgage. 😂
My Favorite range gun is my 365xl.
Mas said his favorite pistol now is a Glock 45. Nothing wrong with a Wilson made 1911.
So good pistol men
“Just an X-Tac Elite. Nothing special.” Ah so :]
Please export those Beautys!
I appreciate you guys and I enjoy listening to your conversations, I have been in the pistol market for about 4 years now and I started out with Glocks and so far have been very satisfied with the Gen 5, but the more I shoot the more I understand the accuracy issue with Glock, however at close range in a defensive situation I feel very comfortable and confident with Glock but I would love to upgrade to a Wilson combat one day soon I hope.
Once you try 1911 you will never go back- I really urge you to try Wilson Combat gun :) It will "ruin" you haha!
Na. Left with glasses is israli french intel and candian
Man right is IRA kgb
What’s up with the dudes mustache trailing off on the left 😂😂😂
"Nothing special about it, it's just an X-TAC Elite." Yep, just your run-of-the-mill $3,800 pistol…
Doesn’t everyone have one? 😂
I don’t know how many I have laying around
If I spend that kind of cash on a gun it damn sure ain't gonna be a 9mm.
@@wizardofahhhs759 I agree puny 9 for that price
But wait didn't you hear in the conversation Wilson said they are backordered.wow
1:07 "Well, first off .... I built it"
I'd possibly buy one of those X-Tac Elites if I had a spare $4,400 kicking around.
If that dude sent it back,I'd love to have it Send it to me! 🇺🇸
MAN, you're pointing that Beretta at Bill....Empty or not,
Yes, he was extremely careless.
Thanks once again ye ol’ Geezers 😂
Cz 75 sp 01 it is a great shooter. Heavey for a good reason, makes it sable.
Berettas without the 4.9 inch barrels just look wrong
Fast forward to 3 minutes 30 seconds and watch Bill's eyes when Ken starts muslin him with the Beretta.
Haha yeah I watched it twice he for sure flinched
Thank you for this video
I do not doubt that the EDC X9 is an outstanding pistol. And I do not expect anything else from a $4000 firearm designed and made by very fine craftsmen. On the other hand, everyone cannot spend this amount of money on a handgun.
And, regardless of wether one likes it or not, the Glock 17 is way better than what is described here. Where I live, it is used in traditional "service" (military) competitions at 50 meters (54.7 yards) against the traditional SIG P210. Using a G17 did not keep excellent shooters from winning against all the shooters using a P210.
Metallic sights (less than $40 from factory) are useful. A "minus" connector (less than $10 from factory) helps too. A tiny little bit of polishing by a very competent gunsmith is also helpful. But the rest is only work. And some proved that it is possible to outshoot the P210 with a Glock 17 at 50 meters.....
Happy to see Bill likes Beretta 92. It's affordable, safe, accurate and reliable. Only drawback is hard to carry concealed!