She should have poison immunity like how she already has on story since way before. It sounds niche but it's still lore wise true and it's not a much broken addition that everyone would really mind.
I think the biggest problem with the new Mash is that her old kit (especially her first and second skill) is amazing,. Meanwhile you will only use ortinax as the last member of your party. Sure 0 cost double taunt is godly, but nowaday every big boss does aoe damage anyways so single target protection for someone with little, to no damage is... no bueno
@@shadexvii3975 Galahad is actually considered to be the strongest of all the Round Table Knights. Strong enough to fight Arthur 1v1, maybe even beat him.
@@shadexvii3975 in Arthurian legend, he is one of three knights who found the grail, being chosen by all the knights to search for it, deeming him the most worthy. Percival did it too, as did sir Bors(don't worry, not in fgo, I just like Arthurian legend). Even though the other 2 found it, galahad was the only one who was pure enough to view it in all it's glory. For God sake he literally uses the round table as his weapon.
I still think it's too little too late. The only reason to use her (at least for me) is 0 cost, so I can put her in the back line for emergency case. But even then it rarely happens.
I think it would be interesting if they go full on "face card, crit damage dealer" type of gameplay, the next skill upgrade or np upgrade should have a 3 turn crit damage up and absorb, like a mini qsh/super orion/van Gogh type beat.
Wonder if the next step is changing Lord Camelot to a new NP that has offensive capabilities. That would be a good counterbalance Like, even if the attack buff happens after the NP, she would still be able to help directly with the damage. Good enough in my book!
I really dont think shes good yet. OG is insane just due to how much her s1 and np stack to basically making you invincible. Her atk is low and she has no class advantage so i cant really get behind the "dps mash" idea It just feels like her kit is currently going in two directions, def support and some weird attack burst dps?? Her next buff needs to be huge imho.
Put Orthenax together with Castoria and Merlin and you get an invincible lineup that blasts the boss to the moon every few turns. Orthenax is one of the absolute strongest stall units in the game, especially if you're fighting an ST enemy.
Still not as good as OG, but at least we can use her in story missions, where they still force her Ortinax costume and skillset. I guess hoping for Fae Galahad to remain was a complete copium. (But if her buff would be "ability to have her swimsuit skin with ortinax skills" it will be immedeately EX++")
Sorry for such a long passage. I would like to comment about how usable Ortinax Mashu as a whole below and describe my perspective. I honestly don’t like ortinax Mashu as a servant. I’m honestly not so sure about how good Ortinax Mashu really is as a unit. She has two roles: Dps (very occasional) and tank, as well as being 0 cost. I feel like she is better on paper than actual usability, however. So let’s go into dps for Ortinax Mashu - her attack is above average after she has level 90 unlocked, and she has one buster crit skill for 1 hit every 4 turns + ignore defense and invul + stars every 6 turns. The problem is, she’s a shielder and she hits + deals neutral damage always, it’s like moon cancer. Alter Egos and Pretenders get lots of crap for doing 1.5x damage, so why should she be praised for bonking once? I remember trying to break one bar of Izcalli from lb 7 with 84k HP (with two members in the party). I was unable to break the bar with her skills + mighty chain (I had a 1/1/1 Proto Merlin to support her, and I was in qp hell so couldn’t level PMerlin’s skills) by about 6-8k? This was pre-NP buff, but I was unable to use her NP anyway. As she is unable to truly utilize those stars effectively, I usually use her as a star bomb when she is a forced support. Even so, I might use other supports along with ce star bombs and it already exceeds her 30 star bomb. They also offer more to the table than stars. I suppose she can be used for utility purposes for ignore defense + invul? But even so, there are only 5 face cards for her every 3 turns. This makes her face card dps pretty bad since you need the stars to align, and even after that it’s not good damage anyway. I don’t think it’s truly worth it even with a 20% attack up, even if it scales well with her 1 hit bonk. She’s not a good dps imo with a support NP as it lowers your consistency considerably. So to Mashu as a tank - her taunts are nice when your enemies are ST, yes (though one turn less than Georgios with 4 more cost). However, as mentioned by other people, this usefulness instantly gets cut when the enemies’ attacks are AOE. We have gotten more bosses with AOE attacks too in the story - lb 5 we have Demeter, Zeus, Aphrodite. We also have Camazotz in lb 7 (ORT too, but we run solo anyway). Her value as a tank can vary depending on the enemy, which can be both good and bad. I feel like the best way to use her is to let her die first, however, as much as I think it hurts to say that. While yes, she has 0 cost as a tank, I don’t actually see that come into play unless I want to put servants with low cost while 6-slotting. You *need* that 0 cost servant to be worthwhile in order to put her in the team (even if most of the times putting her is more good and bad I think 0 cost is overvalued. I am the person to replace 5 star supports and use Xu Fu to not use Ortinax Mashu if I can). Unfortunately, I only put her when she’s a forced support. She’s in a confused role of trying to dps and tank, and not specializing hurts her. I have never, ever used her for challenge quests either for taunting. If you are not forced to use ortinax, I would pick OG Mashu 10 times out of 10 if I have to, and run another dps. Therefore, my main argument is: when will you use her outside of the story chapters anyway? I’m actually curious about that since I don’t put her in teams, not even in story for extra bond. It feels like her role in general sounds okay, but put into actual practice that she is not needed and you’re better off running someone else that either pushes more damage or defends better. The mixed role between dps and tank sounds like Constantine XI (Constantine XI is the tank with more dps potential, however, as expected of a limited 5 star). Her usability is low imo, and her role is unclear. That is why I don’t consider her a good unit. She’s just a “if she’s forced into story then ig it isn’t too bad using her” unit. I do welcome the NP buff though, to say the least. It’s a good direction to head to, and I hope our kouhai gets better later.
@@MystFGO That’s fine. I just hope it provides another perspective since I often struggle to see her uses (or moreso, her role being unclear) especially outside of story. I feel like playing her needs stuff to line up well and it sometimes feels like it isn’t too worth it and I might be better off running someone else. So… yeah, I hope it might be taken into consideration. I do think this is a step to the right direction tho so kouhai becomes better.
Nothing will change her being a support servant with shitty dps skills. Buff her regular NP to give herself the attack boost, and then let us use her regular version in the story.
@Julian Adams Not every enemy has AOE, and even though a lot do anyways having two taunts makes her incredibly useful for espoets where you don't want your supports to live long anyways
You're actually insane if you think having an extra one-turn taunt is worth losing the ability to double-to-triple-stack 20% defense buffs with her old NP and kit
She is still useless and no one would use her if she wasn't 0 cost. Castoria also gives an attack buff PLUS WAY WAY WAY MORE. Ortinax didn't have to be bad but they chose to make it bad and kept it bad. This version is still bad.
Mash's 3rd append gives her bonus against ALL EXTRA
And beasts
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She should have poison immunity like how she already has on story since way before. It sounds niche but it's still lore wise true and it's not a much broken addition that everyone would really mind.
Muramasa got a permanent anti king
No way, mashu up, it's been so long
We're one step close to Super Mashu DPS~♡! One of these days she's gonna rival Super Orion~
Mash be calling the ambulance for the enemy now
I think the biggest problem with the new Mash is that her old kit (especially her first and second skill) is amazing,. Meanwhile you will only use ortinax as the last member of your party. Sure 0 cost double taunt is godly, but nowaday every big boss does aoe damage anyways so single target protection for someone with little, to no damage is... no bueno
Not to mention that George exists at extremely low cost for 3 turn taunt
Hopefully Mashu will one day fully manifest her NP, her true potiential fully unleashed..
@Net Xel ??? Why’s that?
@@shadexvii3975 Galahad is actually considered to be the strongest of all the Round Table Knights. Strong enough to fight Arthur 1v1, maybe even beat him.
@@Itachi056 wtf?! Why?!
@@shadexvii3975 in Arthurian legend, he is one of three knights who found the grail, being chosen by all the knights to search for it, deeming him the most worthy. Percival did it too, as did sir Bors(don't worry, not in fgo, I just like Arthurian legend). Even though the other 2 found it, galahad was the only one who was pure enough to view it in all it's glory. For God sake he literally uses the round table as his weapon.
@@derekbecker1164 I mean, I know he’s highly pure and stuff, but I don’t see quite how that translates to combat strength
Good to see Mash having a rank up, hope that she eventually gets a DPS NP with the black barrel
I still think it's too little too late. The only reason to use her (at least for me) is 0 cost, so I can put her in the back line for emergency case. But even then it rarely happens.
I think it would be interesting if they go full on "face card, crit damage dealer" type of gameplay, the next skill upgrade or np upgrade should have a 3 turn crit damage up and absorb, like a mini qsh/super orion/van Gogh type beat.
This is very good. The most important thing is that now we will have good np in story missions.
Lasagna is preparing us for the eventual
Mash (solo) vs Galahad (or someone else) fight
Wonder if the next step is changing Lord Camelot to a new NP that has offensive capabilities. That would be a good counterbalance
Like, even if the attack buff happens after the NP, she would still be able to help directly with the damage. Good enough in my book!
At this rate Mash Will be actually busted by the time Ordeal Call ends.
I may be wrong, but... when Mash shouted "Lord Camelot", did Rie Takahashi voice it in a similar pitch to Risa Taneda's? If so, that was a nice touch.
For a second I real Mald no more XD
That too
Ortinax Mashu so op she doesn’t need NP incantation all the time 😂
I'd prefer if she got her party defense buff back, like tack it on her buster buff or her second skill
She's trying and almost there..
I really dont think shes good yet. OG is insane just due to how much her s1 and np stack to basically making you invincible. Her atk is low and she has no class advantage so i cant really get behind the "dps mash" idea
It just feels like her kit is currently going in two directions, def support and some weird attack burst dps??
Her next buff needs to be huge imho.
Put Orthenax together with Castoria and Merlin and you get an invincible lineup that blasts the boss to the moon every few turns. Orthenax is one of the absolute strongest stall units in the game, especially if you're fighting an ST enemy.
still no Black Barrel for Ortinax Mash... so sad...Tristan play Despacito
DPS Mashu is slowly creeping up on us
Finally god mashu back!??!?
7:17 i liek mashu so much i pressed the like button twice breh
Still not as good as OG, but at least we can use her in story missions, where they still force her Ortinax costume and skillset. I guess hoping for Fae Galahad to remain was a complete copium.
(But if her buff would be "ability to have her swimsuit skin with ortinax skills" it will be immedeately EX++")
mashu looks like her Avalon NPC.
Sorry for such a long passage. I would like to comment about how usable Ortinax Mashu as a whole below and describe my perspective. I honestly don’t like ortinax Mashu as a servant.
I’m honestly not so sure about how good Ortinax Mashu really is as a unit. She has two roles: Dps (very occasional) and tank, as well as being 0 cost. I feel like she is better on paper than actual usability, however.
So let’s go into dps for Ortinax Mashu - her attack is above average after she has level 90 unlocked, and she has one buster crit skill for 1 hit every 4 turns + ignore defense and invul + stars every 6 turns. The problem is, she’s a shielder and she hits + deals neutral damage always, it’s like moon cancer. Alter Egos and Pretenders get lots of crap for doing 1.5x damage, so why should she be praised for bonking once? I remember trying to break one bar of Izcalli from lb 7 with 84k HP (with two members in the party). I was unable to break the bar with her skills + mighty chain (I had a 1/1/1 Proto Merlin to support her, and I was in qp hell so couldn’t level PMerlin’s skills) by about 6-8k? This was pre-NP buff, but I was unable to use her NP anyway. As she is unable to truly utilize those stars effectively, I usually use her as a star bomb when she is a forced support. Even so, I might use other supports along with ce star bombs and it already exceeds her 30 star bomb. They also offer more to the table than stars. I suppose she can be used for utility purposes for ignore defense + invul? But even so, there are only 5 face cards for her every 3 turns. This makes her face card dps pretty bad since you need the stars to align, and even after that it’s not good damage anyway. I don’t think it’s truly worth it even with a 20% attack up, even if it scales well with her 1 hit bonk. She’s not a good dps imo with a support NP as it lowers your consistency considerably.
So to Mashu as a tank - her taunts are nice when your enemies are ST, yes (though one turn less than Georgios with 4 more cost). However, as mentioned by other people, this usefulness instantly gets cut when the enemies’ attacks are AOE. We have gotten more bosses with AOE attacks too in the story - lb 5 we have Demeter, Zeus, Aphrodite. We also have Camazotz in lb 7 (ORT too, but we run solo anyway). Her value as a tank can vary depending on the enemy, which can be both good and bad. I feel like the best way to use her is to let her die first, however, as much as I think it hurts to say that. While yes, she has 0 cost as a tank, I don’t actually see that come into play unless I want to put servants with low cost while 6-slotting. You *need* that 0 cost servant to be worthwhile in order to put her in the team (even if most of the times putting her is more good and bad I think 0 cost is overvalued. I am the person to replace 5 star supports and use Xu Fu to not use Ortinax Mashu if I can). Unfortunately, I only put her when she’s a forced support. She’s in a confused role of trying to dps and tank, and not specializing hurts her. I have never, ever used her for challenge quests either for taunting. If you are not forced to use ortinax, I would pick OG Mashu 10 times out of 10 if I have to, and run another dps.
Therefore, my main argument is: when will you use her outside of the story chapters anyway? I’m actually curious about that since I don’t put her in teams, not even in story for extra bond. It feels like her role in general sounds okay, but put into actual practice that she is not needed and you’re better off running someone else that either pushes more damage or defends better. The mixed role between dps and tank sounds like Constantine XI (Constantine XI is the tank with more dps potential, however, as expected of a limited 5 star). Her usability is low imo, and her role is unclear. That is why I don’t consider her a good unit. She’s just a “if she’s forced into story then ig it isn’t too bad using her” unit. I do welcome the NP buff though, to say the least. It’s a good direction to head to, and I hope our kouhai gets better later.
While I might not agree fully to the post, I can appreciate you at least constructing it well.
@@MystFGO That’s fine. I just hope it provides another perspective since I often struggle to see her uses (or moreso, her role being unclear) especially outside of story. I feel like playing her needs stuff to line up well and it sometimes feels like it isn’t too worth it and I might be better off running someone else. So… yeah, I hope it might be taken into consideration.
I do think this is a step to the right direction tho so kouhai becomes better.
no more shouting 😂❤
before I started the lostbelt way back in NA I thought that Mash's LB form had the black barrel has her Np
One day closer to Mash´s Black Barrel NP, pls Lasagna
If Mash's capability is upgraded via story, could FGO final story is when Mash's power fully upgraded (NP 5 and such)?
wowowoww
i havent finished lb 7 and whem i use her right now against ort she buff herself too
For me i dont care if mashu would be better thatn castoria in ortinax, i just dont like the way it looks. :(
FIRST, HI MYST
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@@MystFGO (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*.✧
Important fact to mention: Mash gains multiple dialogue variations for the new Lord Camelot. You showcased one variant.
I showed two but fair enough
Bro wrote the comment before finishing the video
Nothing will change her being a support servant with shitty dps skills. Buff her regular NP to give herself the attack boost, and then let us use her regular version in the story.
Hsr really making all other gacha appeal thier players more😂
I just want to point out Ortinax is actually for sure the better support now, even missing the DEF ups BECAUSE
two Taunt skills
Useless when every enemy does AOE damage, original Mash is way better.
@Julian Adams Not every enemy has AOE, and even though a lot do anyways having two taunts makes her incredibly useful for espoets where you don't want your supports to live long anyways
@@Caliber1996 so now you went from being actually for Sure better to being better in certain situations lol
Not really. OG mash is generally more reliable. Taunts are good but they're worthless on aoe bosses.
You're actually insane if you think having an extra one-turn taunt is worth losing the ability to double-to-triple-stack 20% defense buffs with her old NP and kit
now they just need to rework her trash ortinax skills, only good thing is double taunt, her first skill on the other hands, yikes
She is still useless and no one would use her if she wasn't 0 cost.
Castoria also gives an attack buff PLUS WAY WAY WAY MORE.
Ortinax didn't have to be bad but they chose to make it bad and kept it bad. This version is still bad.
Damn, Mashu is 16. Guess quite a lot of people are gonna go to jail.
No, mash is 18. We're fine
all dis upgrade but ...
still not 5*
She is level 90 though so basically already is.