I have been watching true crime for a while and one thing I’ve noticed since it became super popular during Covid is the way people treat it like it’s fun and entertaining everything from the comments and emojis to the people covering it making jokes and being at times insensitive.Its like hello we are talking about real people being brutally murdered here! The desensitisation is real.
That's why I stop watching true crime. They make it fun and games. Entertainment. It is not. Veteran filmmaker Werner Herzog made a ground breaking film about a death row inmate and the family he brutalized. It's worth a look.
What really disgusts me is that there is literally a CrimeCon now, and TH-camrs like Annie Elise are literally going on tours as if she's some kind of rock star, taking vacations in the Hamptons, and still has at least half a dozen ads on every podcast. She literally sells MERCH! It's SO gross.
That’s a good report. The framing of it is interesting, indeed the question is at what point it stops becoming informative and turns into exploitative.
I do watch dashcam, bodycam, and interrogation videos for self awarness but I also have a passion for Justice I gained from the morals I was instilled with as a child, I find no satisfaction from any human being's suffering. Most often those video's are blurred but I understand the breach of privacy. As long as the truth is shared full transparency across the board then the story must be told it can save someone's life.
The answer to the question is "Yes, of course", but I have no idea what to do about it. I've been falling asleep to NBC Dateline for literally decades. 😟
Are we just gonna ignore that one lady said: "the choice to use AI was an example of this more intentionally ethical approach to the genre"? As if using AI isn't unethical itself due to the controversial training of said AIs and the extreme amount of energy and resources that they use? As if Netflix wasn't exposed last year by not only the use of AI but also footage fabrication and modification on their documentary of "What Jennifer Did"? As if the use of those images can't cross over to become dehumanizing for the same victims they're trying to respect? I think the main problem of this "genre" is the entertaining approach, when one stops trying to inform others that's when the problem starts
I like true crime movies, documentaries and podcasts because I find it fascinating in what causes people to do what they do (mainly in reference to serial killers) things like bodycam footage I watch mainly for entertainment because people do the most stupid things (mainly Americans especially if from Florida)
I’ve been into true crime my entire life, since I could talk really. Cops, Americas most wanted, unsolved mysteries Nancy Grace on TV in my childhood. I really only listen to law and crime, and Kendall Rae nowadays. I’ve been uncertain the ethics of watching true crime through out my life and taken small breaks & would just re watch criminal minds instead lol. I would like there to be more of a push for ethical content creation/reporting when it comes to true crime. It’s gotten so messy on TH-cam and even Netflix shows. I haven’t seen most or maybe any of those Netflix shows ..
I think it's therapy!! By comparison it makes my miserable life feel safe. And I feel like I have nothing to feel sorry for in my life. It brings out spiritual compassion and empathy that I hope they can feel from the masses
I'm glad it was brought up that doing make up while discussing true crime is...not okay. I totally agree and tend to avoid channels that do this. There are legions of true crime channels on TH-cam alone making it hard to stand out but doing make up while discussing a brutal murder, assault or kidnapping feels slimy to me. What's even worse are the channels that present fake stories but label them as true crime. Of course, the current era demands that laziness rule the day so AI is used throughout these channels with no consideration what-so-ever that a quick Google search will expose the fraud. Greed through and through. Lives are lost, families are broken in the tragedies but hey, let's get paid on their misery while trying on a new shade of red.
Thing is, the TH-camrs that do this type of content (Danielle Kirsty for example) have a cult following and the comment section is full of their fans commending them on their “empathy” and “compassion”. To be honest I never thought about it this way, someone has been unalived and you’re telling their story like it’s a telenovela whilst putting make up on. I don’t ever watch the videos I listen like a podcast so I never thought about that part of it because I don’t ever see it, she always ends each video with “I want to remind everyone of the victims in this case” but really, you didn’t have enough respect for the victims and their families to just leave them alone and I suppose neither do I by engaging with that type of content
Thanks to Anelise Borges, Joni Els and the entire production team at The Stream for hosting this important discussion. Bill Thomas, Producer and co-host, Mind Over Murder Podcast
I often wondered why the families of murder victims would go on some of these programs (Netflix, 48 Hours, True Crime Daily etc) and relive the horror. Now I get it. 'We're inviting you to take part in our story, but we're going to do the story whether or not you accept.' Disgusting. I admit I've watched my share of these programs, but I don't want to enrich anyone profiting from misery, so I'm cutting that garbage out now.
What a pile of rubbish. The main reason people watch these crime stories is because that are so fed up with crime and criminals they are eager to see justice.
What ever profits are made 40-60% should go to victims next of kin or a charity of their choosing. The idea of making money of someone elses misery or murder yeah it's not good.
I have been watching true crime for a while and one thing I’ve noticed since it became super popular during Covid is the way people treat it like it’s fun and entertaining everything from the comments and emojis to the people covering it making jokes and being at times insensitive.Its like hello we are talking about real people being brutally murdered here! The desensitisation is real.
That's why I stop watching true crime. They make it fun and games. Entertainment. It is not. Veteran filmmaker Werner Herzog made a ground breaking film about a death row inmate and the family he brutalized. It's worth a look.
What really disgusts me is that there is literally a CrimeCon now, and TH-camrs like Annie Elise are literally going on tours as if she's some kind of rock star, taking vacations in the Hamptons, and still has at least half a dozen ads on every podcast. She literally sells MERCH! It's SO gross.
Oh god the makeup ones are way worse.
That’s a good report. The framing of it is interesting, indeed the question is at what point it stops becoming informative and turns into exploitative.
Great episode, very important discussion
I do watch dashcam, bodycam, and interrogation videos for self awarness but I also have a passion for Justice I gained from the morals I was instilled with as a child, I find no satisfaction from any human being's suffering. Most often those video's are blurred but I understand the breach of privacy. As long as the truth is shared full transparency across the board then the story must be told it can save someone's life.
Well put. Same.
The answer to the question is "Yes, of course", but I have no idea what to do about it. I've been falling asleep to NBC Dateline for literally decades. 😟
is it cuz ur single?
@@ImaCatMaia don't see the problem with that really.🤷
@raptorhacker599 uh, no. I've been married for 10 years
Are we just gonna ignore that one lady said: "the choice to use AI was an example of this more intentionally ethical approach to the genre"?
As if using AI isn't unethical itself due to the controversial training of said AIs and the extreme amount of energy and resources that they use?
As if Netflix wasn't exposed last year by not only the use of AI but also footage fabrication and modification on their documentary of "What Jennifer Did"?
As if the use of those images can't cross over to become dehumanizing for the same victims they're trying to respect?
I think the main problem of this "genre" is the entertaining approach, when one stops trying to inform others that's when the problem starts
I like true crime movies, documentaries and podcasts because I find it fascinating in what causes people to do what they do (mainly in reference to serial killers) things like bodycam footage I watch mainly for entertainment because people do the most stupid things (mainly Americans especially if from Florida)
I’ve been into true crime my entire life, since I could talk really. Cops, Americas most wanted, unsolved mysteries Nancy Grace on TV in my childhood. I really only listen to law and crime, and Kendall Rae nowadays. I’ve been uncertain the ethics of watching true crime through out my life and taken small breaks & would just re watch criminal minds instead lol. I would like there to be more of a push for ethical content creation/reporting when it comes to true crime. It’s gotten so messy on TH-cam and even Netflix shows. I haven’t seen most or maybe any of those Netflix shows ..
I think it's therapy!! By comparison it makes my miserable life feel safe. And I feel like I have nothing to feel sorry for in my life. It brings out spiritual compassion and empathy that I hope they can feel from the masses
Crowdsourcing is more powerful than any agency
I'm glad it was brought up that doing make up while discussing true crime is...not okay. I totally agree and tend to avoid channels that do this. There are legions of true crime channels on TH-cam alone making it hard to stand out but doing make up while discussing a brutal murder, assault or kidnapping feels slimy to me. What's even worse are the channels that present fake stories but label them as true crime. Of course, the current era demands that laziness rule the day so AI is used throughout these channels with no consideration what-so-ever that a quick Google search will expose the fraud. Greed through and through. Lives are lost, families are broken in the tragedies but hey, let's get paid on their misery while trying on a new shade of red.
Thing is, the TH-camrs that do this type of content (Danielle Kirsty for example) have a cult following and the comment section is full of their fans commending them on their “empathy” and “compassion”.
To be honest I never thought about it this way, someone has been unalived and you’re telling their story like it’s a telenovela whilst putting make up on. I don’t ever watch the videos I listen like a podcast so I never thought about that part of it because I don’t ever see it, she always ends each video with “I want to remind everyone of the victims in this case” but really, you didn’t have enough respect for the victims and their families to just leave them alone and I suppose neither do I by engaging with that type of content
Yeah its really bad for victims to repeatedly go through their trauma
Thanks to Anelise Borges, Joni Els and the entire production team at The Stream for hosting this important discussion. Bill Thomas, Producer and co-host, Mind Over Murder Podcast
Very good for data collection many eyes.
Yeah i dont like the one so much on netflix etc. Where they make the killer look sexy or whatever cool thats not cool
I often wondered why the families of murder victims would go on some of these programs (Netflix, 48 Hours, True Crime Daily etc) and relive the horror. Now I get it. 'We're inviting you to take part in our story, but we're going to do the story whether or not you accept.' Disgusting. I admit I've watched my share of these programs, but I don't want to enrich anyone profiting from misery, so I'm cutting that garbage out now.
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Cool story
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Mm iteresting aspect 😂
What a pile of rubbish. The main reason people watch these crime stories is because that are so fed up with crime and criminals they are eager to see justice.
Nonsense! She’s mad they didn’t pay her, to which clearly they didn’t need to in order to do THEIR story. 😂. This is all sour grapes.
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What ever profits are made 40-60% should go to victims next of kin or a charity of their choosing. The idea of making money of someone elses misery or murder yeah it's not good.
True crime rhymes with jew time.